The Friendship of Mark Lanegan and Kurt Cobain
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0:00 - INTRO
0:33 - The Bond Between Mark and Kurt
2:06 - The Phone Calls
3:57 - Conflicting Opinions
on the Calls
5:11 - Kurt's State of Mind
6:08 - Collaborations
7:56 - Outro
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He had for a portion of time, 2 cool 4 school.
In one of the interview clips Mark said that he started avoiding trips to Kurt's house because Courtney reveled in playing them against each other by flirting shamelessly with Mark in front of Kurt. End of. Knowing Courtney, seems like a plausible reason.
That's some wild stuff if true...
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@@SoundscapesRock Lanegan said Courtney was "uncomfortably friendly with him until it triggered an outburst in Kurt" It's in his book.
You do not know Courtney or any of these people.
@@Danathema Did you personally work out that the earth is a sphere or that E=mc squared? But you know this, don't you?
What’s missing from this is the fact that Lanegan was a paranoid drug addict at the time, that’s probably why he did not answer to the police
It doesnt suprise Mark didnt admit to the phone calls in 94. Lanengan was in a terrible place himself when it comes to addiction. He probably did feel a ton of guilt for not answering the phone. That had to be a very difficult thing for Mark to admit. Im sure he had to make sure he was in the right mindset and far enough along in his own recovery to discuss the missed calls from Kurt.
In a couple hours he felt like he lost his friends, music label, band broke up, wife sleeping with best friend. News beating him down
The one growing theme around Kurt’s friends was that none of them liked Courtney. Tad Doyle pulled out of the opening slot because Courtney started a fight with his girlfriend backstage. She tried to blacklist Buzz Osborne and alienated a lot of Kurt’s friends. There was an incident where Susan Silver went backstage to congratulate Kurt on a great show just to have the mood shift with Courtney screaming that her and Kurt take drugs and it’s nobody’s business.
In Lanegan’s book he talks about how Kurt would call but, he was reluctant to answer because he didn’t want to run into Courtney. Says a lot about the woman.
If that's true, Kurt--who was a lot more loyal than he got credit for--was depressed by their "opinion" than ppl are facing.
Sounds a lot like my brothers wife.
Years before she met Cobain she turned up in England with the exact same plan, hook a singer in one of the Liverpool band's. It was strange, it's a really friendly City but so many people took an instant dislike to the girl. She was with this other American girl, black hair with a kinda both look I can't remember her name. I was kinda shocked when I heard she was with Kurt, poor guy never stood a chance with a piece of work like her. She knew exactly what she was doing & from that moment on he was f*cked.
That’s a tail tale sign of abuse when a significant other isolates you from your friends.
I am reading Lanegan's book Sing Backwards and Weep right now. Very interesting.
Great book
When you hear the story of Kurt’s generosity its clear what type on person he is. That one story should tell you everything.
And decided disregard for trappings of falling for the illusions of being a celebrity. And, yes, a kind, generous heart that knew all about being down and out. I can only guess as to Lannegan's and Cobain's mixed feelings about all the fresh young faces in audiences of people that were nowhere to be found when they were both so very down and out.
The Jury is where the Where Did You Sleep Last Night cover came from and it’s on The Winding Sheet
I love the story of how they collaborated during "The Jury" sessions. They respected each other so much neither took the lead and barely anything was accomplished. Kurt didn't "escape from Exodus" it was a voluntary treatment. He simply left. Dead men don't pull triggers #JusticeForKurt
You really don't understand the difference between Total Morphine and Free Morphine do you?
Yes, he was free to leave but he jumped the wall to leave without anyone noticing because he wanted a "head start" and didn't want anyone to immediately know he had left.
love your stuff. Keep it up!
It was because of Courtney Love. That's the reason why Mark ignored Kurt's phone call was because in his own words he said..I didnt want to be around them while they fought. Cause in past times, mark mentions how he they would start arguing with him there dampering the mood. Hell, anybody who's anybody doesnt want to be stuck in the middle of that. So personally, I dont blame him for ignoring the phone call. How was he to know kurt would be dead that very day or next?
A good example of the fine line between friend and enabler.
Maybe due to shame, &/or fear? It partly depends on which time he was lying, but proves he is capable of lying in relation to key points.
People need to remember how badly addicted to heroin Dylan and Lanegan were and how vulnerable that made them to control. It's no secret that Love paid their rents and sent them to rehabs. Heaven only knows what else.
I truly think he was trying to get away from Courtney, hence the motorcycle, plane. She had his tires slashed and credit card stopped. Pretty psycho. Rosemary was well aware of Kurt wanting a divorce and wanting Courtney out of the will. She was banging Corgan.
I never heard about this divorce talk directly from Rosemary. There is no confirmation from herself, only from third parties
@@leof2497 no there is her recorded voice telling a PI that Kurt wanted a divorce and Courtney out of the will. So, don’t go there.
She also said while being recorded that she thought the whole thing was messed up and that she found a practice handwriting sheet in a bag Courtney left at her place. When she found out she was being recorded, she panicked cause Courtney is nuts.
You can not debunk an actual recording of Rosemary’s own voice telling this PI a lot of crucial information.
But the way your explaining it isn't right either. Cobain had no will. A divorce had been on the table both ways. Love wanted a business marriage or the true ole timey marriage. Kurt was living in romantic utopia world
Good video. One thing: Leadbelly... Lead, like the metal, not lead like to have followers.
Keep it up!
That hurt
Good catch.
Exactly the reason that Led Zeppelin changed their spelling from LEAD to LED avoid the mispronunciations.
If the average fan heard the _actual_ reasons for Dark Mark's conflicting statements about phonecalls from Cobain, why he ignored the calls in the first place, why he didn't tell _Courtney's_ private investigator Tom Grant that he had received a call from Cobain just a few days earlier on the evening of Saturday April 2nd 1994 after Kurt had just arrived back in Seattle after jumping over a wall to leave Exodus rehab in L.A without anyone immediately noticing he was gone, why Cobain was acting skittish and erratic after the "Rome incident" and subsequent coma and why Cobain was calling out of touch family members, Mark, Dylan and anyone he thought he _might_ be able to trust explicitly (he sadly was not always right due to the severity of his friend's addictions and how that made them vulnerable to control) and why he was inquiring about buying motorbikes and small airplanes - they would not accept it, never mind begin to genuinely look into, understand and believe it. Which is really, _really_ sad and conceals a dark truth. They have bought into what is so strangely seen as some kind of romantic notion that a man who on that day he called Mark Lanegan, was already worth almost $40 million dollars, had a daughter he was infatuated with, decided because he "couldn't handle the fame and the pressure to get off drugs" decided the thing to do to solve that was kill himself. For what ever reason, people enjoy that line of thought. They find it grossly poetic I guess. Like Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins said in his review of the film _Montage Of Heck;_ "People want to believe the kind of stuff in this bullshit film. They want to believe he was mindlessly suicidal and had sex with r*tards..." I guess it somehow makes _sense_ to them..? That instead of just quitting Nirvana and fucking off into obscurity to enjoy his money, paint, strum his acoustic, sculpt, get high (or get sober, whatever) without pressure from management, labels and people wanting to make money off him and just generally do whatever the fuck he wanted. Nope. Not even gunna _try_ it for a while. Just a bullet to the head please. That makes sense. Its not like he died with _two_ plane tickets to leave Seattle set for just a few days after he arrived there from L.A. Its not like the drug he overdosed on in Rome and was also found under the master bedroom matress at the house where his body was found was Rohypnol or what we now refer to as "roofies" or "the date rape drug." Its not like the gun he "committed suicide" with was _fully loaded_ with _target load/bird shot_ shells used for home defense because they don't penetrate walls and can often be less than lethal. Nahhh. Not like any of that is actually verifiably true, indisputable fact and its not like that would be suspicious anyway, right?
Smfh...
I’m actually not sure what you even wrote here or if it was in English. Your first sentence was 20 lines long. You’ve gotta use more periodsman…
@apukal
Basically what he said was, believing how Kurt left this earth is just what rock stars do. Disregard the millions in the bank and any exit strategy he could have whenever he wanted to run away from it all, but he chose to eat a bullet instead. Nirvana fans find this scenario much more romantic. So looking into any other plausible explanation is pointless. And by plausible explanation, I mean that Kurt may not have been the one who pulled the trigger. No way. That's not nearly as romantic an ending.
Same thing goes with Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington. Who at the time of Cornell's death, they happened to be involved in a documentary about child trafficking. Which brings me to the death of Avicii.
(Guess it was my turn to be vague)
"Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous" ~ Albert Einstein
Great video thank you for your hard work and content ! also #JusticeForKurt
Much appreciated! #JusticeForKurt
I did not believe Mark's version of events about the phone calls. After hearing the messages, the reason he said he did not go over, was because that night he had plenty of money and drugs. If that was true, why did he then say the next night, he was so eager to get home to the heroin Tom Grant had given him the money to purchase? Does it appear likely that 24 hours after he claimed to have an abundance of money and drugs he would be at the level of neediness to be relying on handouts? If he was lying about having so much money and drugs that night, then there goes the reason why he did not call over. Think about it. Mark admitted money problems at this time, so as a heroin addict, if his rich, friend invited him over to a place where he would likely have drugs, would he go?
To me, the most important line in Mark's book rarely gets mentioned. On page 170 where he describes himself as: "a conduit through which he received his death doses." That part read to me that it was a confession to the death doses Kurt received in the greenhouse. I believe that's why he was so haunted by Kurt's death. After all, his book is littered by the deaths of people close to him, but it is of Kurt's death he says: "I knew I would never get over his death. It would shadow me until the day I died." It is undeniable that Mark felt huge regret and guilt about Kurt's death, but could that have been because he played some part in it? Tom Grant believes there were at least two people in the greenhouse with Kurt. I believe Mark may have been one of them. Think about the part in his book where Courtney was frantically calling him from early in the morning until late at night. Why was she so desperate to speak to him soon after Kurt's death? So desperate, she even turned up at his house when he did not answer? Perhaps she detected he was feeling remorse and was worried he was going to crack? Remorse would also explain the bizarre section where he has a baseball bat raised and plans to beat Courtney to death if she comes through his front door. That was an incredibly extreme reaction, and I did not buy his description of why this event happened.
Man, you just gave me a lot to think about. Maybe Lanegan did play a part in his death. Never crossed my mind. I always thought Dylan did, but now, Lanegan too, makes a lot of sense. Reading his book now as well.
I'm not sure how many junkies you have known but unfortunately I've known many. Clearheaded logic doesn't apply. I don't have any issue believing Lanegan here. He was laying there stoned and content, didn't need to leave his apartment to score and wasn't afraid of anything happening to Cobain when he called. The fear didn't come until later after Rosemary's calls, hence his agreeing to help look for him a day or two later. Grant took two junkies around towm, buying them smack on his (actually Courtney's) dime. At the end of that day, he now had a bumch more smack and after feeling they had searched as much as they could, I think his priority easily switched to his next fix moreso than his missing friend, whom he probably convinced himself was fine in the moment. Of course he wasn't ok and hence the guilt. A junky doesn't need to be completely out of smack and desperate to want to go shut the world out and get high. That is why heroin is so awful. It takes priority over anything and anyone else. I've no doubt he would have stayed focused on Kurt if he truly thought he was in danger in that moment. Sadly heroin came first. Courtney is an awful person but I'm not buying this theory. The conduit statement? He was referring to being a contributing factor in Kurt getting hooked in the first place.
@@ruffrhyme Do you believe Mark when he said Kristen was trying to come onto him at Kurt's wake, despite others saying she was mad about Kurt? Or when he said he was at Kurt's house with Tom Grant, when Grant said he wasn't? The reason I ask, is because if not, it establishes Mark's words may not be entirely truthful. The Rosemary call was on April 2nd. This was the same day Mark said he had plenty of drugs and money. He went out with Tom and Dylan on April 3rd. I get that a junkie would like to lay at home stoned and contented but believe that would have applied the next day too, and he would not have left the house to go searching for someone if he was so well setup with drugs and money at home. But I don't believe Mark when he said that. If it was true, I don't think he'd then be in the position where he was so desperate to get home to do the drugs Tom bought the next day. With your experience of junkies, would it be normal to prepare to beat someone to death for invading your privacy? It seems an excessive reaction to me. Kurt was hooked on heroine before he met Mark, so Mark played no part in getting Kurt hooked. Any heroin Mark supplied to Kurt prior to the day of his death played no part in Kurt's death. It is not like all those doses were all building up in his system waiting to kill him. The only death doses Kurt received were on the day of his death, and Mark did admit to being a conduit for these being administered. Do you believe Courtney paid for Cali and Dylan's rehab because she is a generous person or was there more to it? Mark said he spent almost a year in live in rehab which Courtney paid for. That would have been VERY expensive. She is coming across like the patron saint of junkies if she is helping all these people out of the goodness of her heart.
I believe Mark more than Tom Grant. Here's my real issue with the "Courtney did it" theories. Where do you draw the line on how many people she's paid off? Mark, Dylan, the police, Kurt's family, the surviving members of Nirvana, many other musicians who knew him etc? Listing off repeated anecdotes doesn't solve anything either way. You have to believe Courtney is the smartest, most brilliant criminal mastermind who ever lives at a certain point, like some villain in a superhero comic. I think its giving her far too much credit, whereas its more likely she was a cheating, narcissistic, erratic junkie mess. Yep, there are strange things that haven't been explained. There are also easily explainable things people choose to ignore. If numerous people who were close to him said it, I'd be inclined to believe them. I do not however believe Tom Grant. Yes, he has lots of tapes yet he won't release more than snippets, many of which were by people angry he took things out of context and used to support his theories.
I don't doubt he had plenty of money and drugs the day Kurt called him on Saturday April 2nd and that immediately before and immediately after that he was broke and withdrawing. I just wonder who made sure he had enough drugs and money to not answer the phone on the 2nd and to not mention the call to Tom Grant.
Mark Lannegan: Went from this handsome young lion into a fried, frail shell from heroin addiction. And his premature death. Amazingly bright, talented musician and writer. RIP
Addiction vs sobriety makes a heck of a lot of sense, no?
Giving up alcohol is easy. But opiates, that one is way more seductive.
TBH, I do not really care for the music of either. Mad respect for their stories and raw talent. But the writing of Lannegan about his experiences: Mind blown! On the same level as Jack Kerouac and Claude Brown.
Thank you for this great video!
Why in one of the final cartoons Kurt is suddenly right-handed??
That's an animation hiccup! Great observation!
Kurt wrote with the righr hand
@@HhhhHhhh-yw7lo I am aware of that. But still he never played a right-handed guitar like in the cartoon.
Yeah i noticed that pretty quickly aswell 😂
because it's AI generated dogshit
Lanegan's book is equally hilarious and horrific. The best version is the audible narration with Mark reading in his deep, stoic voice.
Always thought the last song Kurt sang at MTV was a lead in to his death.
In the song they only found the guys head and not his body, well, how was Kurt found? His head was blown off leaving his body. Very strange since Kurt and Lanegan made a recording of it together.
Lanegan had bizzare LBGt issues.
LMAO please elaborate
@@zamtrios3731 $3
Picture of part of Kyuss and queens of Stone Age is funny.
Leedbelly, is leadbelly. Like pencil lead.
Tom Grant claims that Mark's recollection of events was unreliable. Tom and Dylan were at Kurt's house twice both times in the dark and raining which would make it improbable that Mark would be smoking outdoors. Tom said Mark was only with them for a couple of hours to check local dealers houses for any signs of Kurt and then they dropped him off. Tom also stated Mark may have just remembered differently because it had been 30 years
Tom Grant isn't a credible person. He edited the commentary of the experts he consulted to make it sound as if they said the opposite of what they really concluded because no one actually supported any of his conclusions. He partnered with Courtney Love's father despite the fact that Harrison never met Kurt Cobain and wasn't in contact with Courtney during her marriage or at any time for more than a decade, in fact, had only seen his daughter sporadically since she was 3 and did not have a significant relationship with her at any point in her life. Grant is a dishonest actor who has exploited the death of Kurt Cobain for the purpose of financial gain.
I think Tom’s the unreliable one
@@brokencandy1797 He also partnered with Isaiah Silva, the man's an absolute grifting charlatan and an incompetent clown to boot.
@@brokencandy1797He didn't partner with Love's father and I dont know how _anything_ that man has on tape can be read out of context. F*ck are you even talking about? You're repeating some shite you read and didn't verify.
This didnt resolve ANYTHING!!!!
they loved each other and TRULY RESPECTED EACHOTHER AS ARTISTS AND INDIVIDUALS whom were (like Led Belly... true to the art)
The Jury didnt work because it was 2 captains whim didnt wanna step in each others toes! Kurdt looked up to Mark and saw himself an equal and Lanegan.... saw him as a lil brother and someone whom was equal and they'll get there one day!
Mark..... I can tell you!!!
Especially when he tells his story about finding Kurdt near dead and only seeing through the window of his house.
Mark wouldn't lie. I believe everything hes accounted for and the truth on his feelings and what the relationship meant to him.
Where outside views come in!!!
That's where "I was in love with that girl! She mean the world to me!!!"
A person view o their relationship and dynamic of it are a MAJOR DIFFERENCE to the outside world!
(I'm hitting the Hornets nest here!) But it's like Kurtney!
Kurdt and Courtney's relationship to all else outside is a COMPLETE different color to all those outside of it!
But if u were there and heard the special conversations and talk that no one will ever remember!... except those 2 that had it! Will know and see.
Mark and Kurdt has something special!
I was about to say like K and Krist!!!
BUTTTTTTTT THATS A WHOLE NEW LEVEL!!!!
that's a relationship that, man oh MANN!!!!
poor Krist!
Watch him talk about Kurdt passing in the more recent years!
His heartache and heartbreak.....
Shows you TOM GRANT needs to be soaked in BLEACH with that rubbish.
Poor guys gone and the conspiracies are like Flat Earth!
Illogical.
Mark was forreal. He and Kirst had a nomad that many will never kno!
From making music and being great friends whom TRULY UNDERSTAND AND KNO EACH OTHER!!!
to sharing a rig with a shot of dope and doing that together!!!
Bless their hearts and rest thier souls!!!
These 2 and Wayne Coyne n crew along with Tim Armstrong and his band of PUNX made me see and realize!!!!
Were not alone in this world!!!🤘🎸🤘🎸🤘🍻🍻🐒🐒💚🧡💚🧡💚🧡💚🤘🤘
I would like you to do a video about the Breeders if you would. Thank you.
Sure thing! Breeders are on the radar now. Thanks for the suggestion!
Thank you
Because someone was paid to draw Kurt and didn't know or remember to draw him left handed.
Join our community ?? This is on line. There isn’t community. Community is people in person.
How exactly did he lie?
Point in fact...
Cobain liked and respected Lannegan as friend and musician.
On the other hand , Lannegan was copping/selling Cobain drugs.😐
Any and every drug addict is going to keep that connection strong...
I recently read Lannegans memoir and it sounds legit and I believe it.
Lie on him? As in before they start kissing???
Lanegan co-wrote Something In The Way but didn't ask to get his name credited. He lost out on a ton of money. Maybe that's why Kurt handed him thousands from an ATM withdrawal.
Load of tabloid crap. Mark explained in his book why he "lied" to the press. Gee, i wonder why? RIP to Kurt and Mark.
It worked, he kept the conspiracy wackos off his back for a while at least.
Leedbelly? It's Lead (like pencil lead).
All those hard drugs he survived for cigarettes to get him in the end. That sucks.
He got a really bad flu then got jabbbed after that then died
#JusticeforKurt
The guy in the thumbnail looks like a combination of Jim Morrison and joe rogan
Fun fact: mark lanegan hated being compared to Jim morrison when touring
@@mikeandike2021he sounded like Jim Morrison though and being compared to Jim Morrison should always be a compliment in my opinion
@@grungeisdead8998 but the thing is he wanted to be his own musician in his book he stated he hated to be compared to others, and he was already not in the mainstream as is so the comparison didn't really help him.
The only bond between Mark Lanegan and Kurt Cobain was heroin.
Dumb. But as time wore on more so. But not at the beginning
funny, the were kids lol
Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love's lawyer's name was Allen Draher.
Don't know if I wanna SEE THEIR BOND but then again...I might even pay to see it! So I'm torn! LmMFaO!!! ;) :P :o)
If Mark answered maybe the two would of shoot up together with kurt being happy again.
Who? Nobody knows who he was in Europe...famous? 😅😅😅 Delusional!
The late great mister mark lanegan and kurt Cobain were very close. Kurt was a fan of lanegan when lanegan was famous first. Kurt was murdered. Personal note lanegan was better.
Lanegan was terrible!
Just read or listen to Sing Backwards and Weep instead of this regurgitated crap.
Why do you use these AI pics, that doesn't have any sense when talking about these two at least.
Mark did lie, obviously, though.
Allright I subbed, you got me. Its also something about your voice and storytelling what I love.. Lets find out all you made!
Awesome, thank you!