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Imma guess the halo for Kurt in the thumbnail means he plays good music, whereas the devil horns clearly mean they don’t, the guitarist is the only good thing about Limp Bizkit imo
Or figure by Simmons definition of icon that would be selling the most albums out of every band and there's one band that comes a mind that's outsold everybody and that's Linkin Park, so does that mean they're the greatest band ever?
On the lighter side: When Dave Grohl met Mötorhead frontman Lemmy Kilmister for the first time, Lemmy looked at him and said “I’m sorry about your friend Kurt”.
Dave Grohl had pay it forward to Pantera's Drummer Vinnie Paul when he had lost his brother, Dimebag Darrell. In a 2008-09 interview on That Metal Show, Vinnie mentioned that Dave reached out to him because he was in that same situation when he had lost Kurt, and Dave told Vinnie about music and how it has helped him a lot throughout the hard times.
Which is probably the last thing Dave Grohl wanted to hear. Nobody has realized that guy has done everything possible to have his own career that doesn't include Kurt Cobain since Kurt Cobain died lol
@@shamelesskindness Kurt knew he was talented, but he had self doubts like every artist does. When his record label were unhappy with In Utero, he appeased them and had an outside producer remix their singles, which was a betrayal to Steve Albini.
@@ps.6023 Oh.. There it is... The guy who knows nothing about music made it's appearance! You can't even grasp the concept of being influenced by your favourite bands and "ripping them off". Please refrain from commenting on music topics. You do not have the necessary understanding of it.
@@CarlosCruz_cc sit down child. I was actually around when these bands were and influenced LOL seriously? You don't even know who the melvins are without looking up on the internet
"I was simply blown away when I found that Kurt Cobain liked my work, and have always wanted to talk to him about his reasons for covering 'The Man Who Sold the World'." -David Bowie
Hendrix only put out three proper studio albums in his lifetime (same number as Nirvana). And Kiss doesn't even have a "classic" album in contention. Simmons putting his band in league with Led Zeppelin is delusional at best. And if Kurt and Nirvana had ONLY put out Nevermind and nothing else, they'd still outshine Kiss' joke of a legacy.
@@enriquepastor3626 Okay, let's start. Arthur Brown and Alice Cooper were wearing corpsepaint before KISS, but i heard a lot of Black Metal fans took influence from KISS. Bands influenced by KISS: RATM, Pantera, Skid Row, GNR, Pearl Jam, Motley Crue, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, Marilyn Manson, White Zombie, Megadeth, Anthrax, Melvins, The Smashing Pumpkins, NIN and the list goes on and on. Nirvana influenced not THIS many good bands. Even though Cobain is better songwriter.
Nirvana hasn't toured for 30 years now and they have 32.5M Spotify listeners, and KISS has been touring for decades and have 14M listeners. That answers Gene Simmons about the "two albums" and if Kurt's an icon. Nirvana's impact was immense and it is still going.
Yet that 'genre' only lasted about 3 yrs. There is no such thing as grunge these days. Its a finished thing. It was over before we even had time to blink. So its not that. Nirvana hasn't aged well either. Its not something I'll listen to and get nostalgia like most genres. Those "bands" you mention are still going strong. Some are even more popular now than they were. Nirvana is nowhere. Neither is Pearl Jam or Alice in chains. No one cares.
The difference between Mustaine and Hetfield's jokes is that Mustaine was put on the spot during a live interview, being asked about someone that he had no connection to. Hetfield on the other hand, went out of his way to make a mockery of Cobain during a performance.
Megadeth & Metallica was in a bad situation when nevermind came out. Thrash metal slowing down and grunge era climbing up. I think it was more hate towards that situation.
@@HailTheApocalypse I think the comment was out of spite. Metallica thought that they were the biggest band in the world, and Nirvana was competition. He knew what he was doing
I find it ironic that rockstars who performed for freedom, change and non conformity, didn't react so well to a change in music industry. Many of them really ended up hating those who did something differently from them
That's basic human nature for you. Majority of the biggest artist get their mind twisted by success and turn it all into commercial projects rather than true art
Fun fact for Gene Simmons, Nirvana made 3 studio albums, the same amount that Jimi Hendrix recorded before he died. I'm not saying Cobain is up there with Hendrix, but obviously it's not down to how many albums you make before you die.
@@miguelsalgado7431 I think kiss have definitely influenced a lot of people, but Nirvana had a bigger impact for how long they were actually around, and yeah kiss probably dont have much influence on artists now compared to nirvana
Glad so many people feel the same as I do about Gene. His band can’t scratch the surface of what Nirvana was and the influence they’ve had and they never will.
KISS sucks. Although they were influential to many bands, including many “grunge” bands. But they’re more famous for their lunchboxes than their music. Gene is a jealous douche.
Not just that he also started a domino effect in music for example XXXTENTACION stated that Kurt Cobain is his biggest inspiration and that he felt inspired to make music because of Kurt cobain
Kurt cobain has so many life saves thats why nirvana is my favorite band forever, i started playing guitar because of Nirvana. And kurt also saved my life.
"That was great because it got rid of all those guys with hairspray and leotards. Then Kurt came in like a phoenix and cut them all down like wheat before the sickle. You are done! Nirvana to me was the most significant thing since the Beatles, Very powerful vision, very honest man behind it, I loved him" -Tom Petty
I love that Peter Steele was respectful and understanding. There's a reason he was so loved. Hetfield is just fortunate that so many people have terrible taste in music and even like their new pop metal songs.
Peter Steele was a great guy, clearly very intelligent intellectually and emotionally, but without arrogance. Also taken from us too soon. Alcohol abuse took so many brilliant artists, from Jim Morrison to Bob Stinson.
Simmons was pissed that Nirvana didn't do the tribute album. Plain and simple. How many albums an artist puts out has nothing to do with their legacy. It's the influence they have. Nirvana helped define an entire sub genre of music and to some degree even its fashion. Janis Joplin and Buddy Holly only released 3 albums. Jimi Hendrix had 4. All icons
If gene would of done some research. He'd found out very quickly that Kurt was anti mainstream media and didn't like Alot of hair metal 80's artist.. I like gene.
True to my promise, I will now finish my comment. There have been many superstars after 1984. Eminem, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, etc. Just because Gene doesn't like the music doesn't mean he shouldn't acknowledge it's existence
More people talk about Kurt and Nirvana than Kiss, in the UK at least Nirvana gets more airplay today than Kiss. I think its safe to say an icon isnt defined by how many records but more how memorable
Today they do. But were you around in the late 1970's? KISS was way bigger than Nirvana ever became. I prefer Nirvana, but don't pretend that KISS was some one hit wonder. They had more than just a smiley face shirt. To this day you can buy coffins, keychains, and dog collars with the name KISS on it.
@SatansDonkey666 I wasn't, I was born in the 80's. I'm not saying KISS aren't big, I don't dislike them, I could name 3 songs, perhaps know 5-6 songs, so I'm also not a fan. From my perspective I see to this day more Nirvana merch and more radio play for Nirvana than Kiss has/gets. So Gene's comment on Kurt has not aged well. Kurt is an icon.
@@SatansDonkey666 i don't understand your argument about how big kiss were. In the end there are more people listening to Nirvana than kiss. They may have been great, but Nirvana was just that much more impactful.
Yeah, and straight up saying « there hasn’t been any real legend in the 30 last years »… Josh Homme, Dave Grohl, Mark Lannegan, Chris Cornell ? Oh yeah right, they made actual music, not brainless rock ballads for 60yo housewives.
@@clemp23Popular music is trash no matter the time or place. Nowadays, in this country (Spain) there’s no way to scape from reggaeton in any restaurant, taxi, bus, street, pubs, television or even in the house people are playing such together with the greatest brainless hits of any genre like pop, trap, flamenco, latin stuff, rap, rock, etc. The fans are between 4 to 90 y/o both men and women. It’s a matter of really digging into music to find treasures. I mean, there’s spectacular musicians, but they rarely have a place in concerts, record labels, auditions, radio or television. It’s a worldwide issue to my knowledge. There’s music just for a few. Don’t expect a world full of dumbs to appreciate it. Still I’d like them to be not almost so difficult to find out. The technologic giants play a big role to hide them. Maybe people won’t be that stupid without such a propaganda that goes to other levels of culture.
Kurt Cobain literally changed my life, because of him I started playing my grandmother's £2 guitar from Oxfam that smells of a church 😅 I needed pliers to tune the strings and because of Nirvana's music, nothing stopped me. I've broken my wrist and was told I'll never be able to play guitar again, I proved my surgeon wrong and despite the arthritis, I still play when I can.
Incesticide was released during Cobain’s lifetime. Kurt authorized the release of the compilation, had full control over the album art, and wrote the liner notes. It was released before Nirvana’s final studio album In Utero. It was not a posthumous release.
Came to say the same. Incesticide was released in 1992. I feel like they meant to say With the Lights Out Box Set as videos during that segment are from the DVD that came with it.
I don't know what Gene Simmons is talking about. Nirvana has so many songs that can fall under mini albums to bring a grand total of 8 albums Kurt could have had.
all those who showed insensitivity or mocked Kurt in public are curiously also the same ones who couldn't handle the impact that Nirvana had on their music, making it age badly as soon as Nevermind was published
@@Myegoneedsthis called the grunge revolution for a reason dude, some guys relate w/ the angsty lyrics n find solace in them, i mean till this day, people still listen to them a lot do they? they defined a generation and put them in flannel, yeah there are many subcultures now but we cant forget the impact theyve done then and now to this day, some people express their pain in different ways, and music is one of them. people who relate to that pain listen to that music to help them.
Gene Simmons is a brand, not an artist. He can play bass but he plays the rock persona as his job and you can see he only does it to satisfy his narcissism.
@@samcahntent keep it simple, dude people his age think that means to be an artist, pretty much you are an artist if you get to make money, if you gather tons of people, if you get crazy attention, if people look up to you for whatever reason pretty much they learned that during their time, that is that
@@lmclrain oh I get that. People say bands like Green Day or even Nirvana/grunge bands “sold out” but if you’re able to make money like that, you’d be stupid not to. But Gene’s thing gives off a vibe like he’s a business man first, which is smart and works, but because of it, it’s hard for me to take anything he says seriously because he comes off pompous and very much about the money and fame before the music. But like I said, it totally works 👌🏻
An Icon is anyone who leaves a long-lasting positive impact on music. That can be a single song if its enough to change hearts and minds, or it could be a mega career or 20 records. The fact that we still talk about Kurt to this day proves he had a impact on our lives.
"Cobain is not an icon" 30 years after his death and he still talked about daily 31,348,255 Monthly listeners on Spotify over a billion views on UA-cam Sold 75 million records worldwide but yeah he's not an icon
I am not the hugest Nirvana fan, but they are musical icons. They may have only put out a few albums, but they changed the state of music, and that is still being felt.
Ask someone now if they know who Nirvana is, and then ask them if they know who Kiss is? I think you will see who the legends are. People may know the Kiss name but few could name a song. Smells Like Teen Spirit is an anthem that gets played everywhere. Kiss is okay, but Nirvana is a different type of music and on another level.
@@lordtrigon1733 I think op meant the same year Layne died. And that's definitely just as bad, if not worse, because Layne had possibly even more of a miserable end than Kurt given how drawn out it was and how he kind of just knew it was coming for so long and had to just wait for what he believed (and was correct in his assumption as it ended up happening) inevitable.
3:55 - Quality vs quantity. Kiss may have several records, but only a handful of iconic songs. They are still an iconic band, but I would argue that the ones which only have one or two records where nearly every song was a hit just as iconic
'' I was simply blown away when i found out that Kurt liked my work, and had always wanted to talk to him about his reason for covering 'The Man Who Sold The World'.'' - David Bowie
Cobain will forever be an icon & one of the main reasons why I started playing guitar. He was a tortured soul that was around ALOT of bad people in his last days. I still believe if he had a different crowd around him he would probably still be alive? RIP brother 🤘🪦⚰️
Fred did not mean any disrespect when he did the finger guns when he covered Nirvana, he does the finger guns during many performances/ songs over the years, it was just taken a bit out of context for the Nirvana cover.
@@BOBINDUN I agree, and he even did a tiktok with himself dressed as Kurt in a funny but harmless clip where himself and Kurt meet face to face as neighbors. There's alot of mistakes Fred has done since he and his band mates started the band but I highly doubt he'd ever disrespect even Kurt or Nirvana. He's close friends with Dave Grohl by the way.
Most of the time people are just projecting. We hardly understand what's not inside our selves. So when we point fingers at others and try and assume what could be their dark sides. We often end up revealing our own dark sides as those are the actual only darksides we know about and can realistically in our own mind understand the existence of. This is true for many, many if not almost all the times any human points fingers and blame on someone. Now with this in mind. Take a minute or two to think about what it is Conservatives are throwing out of hate and mistrust about everyone that dosn't fit their box. I would be very concerned with the conservative parties in America with how they act. If just 20% of what they are spewing out is projecting then it's still bad.
Eminem didn’t diss him but they were insensitive remarks. But to be fair he made insensitive remarks to Lady Gaga but he’s gone on record saying he loves Lady Gaga
@@lullsbaby9321 say your mother passed away in a similar fashion as Kurt. It might be insensitive to describe what happened to her in the fashion eminem did on the song he did it (the song title) on for the sake of shock value (a clever line though). I personally don’t find it insensitive but, I can definitely see how others might.
dude rock is dead like absolutely 100% dead now we have ice spice n taylor swift thank god trust the autotune abusers to save the music industry who put the children in the studio
Honestly kiss isn’t that good, they’re only known for their image and the makeup and stuff, I can’t name a single hit kiss song, Nirvana has well known hits and a image that is easily associated with them similar to how kiss has make up and leather
@@peterhopqk Nope. Cobain could NEVER play an original guitar solo that distinguished from the chorus. He only copied the chorus. NOT a dang thing was original. Guitar solos matter in rock 'n' roll music imo. KISS could play guitar solos.
Dawg.. I'm a hip hop head. I love and admire Kurt Cobain though. I was shocked to see that so many people were hating on him after his death. I always thought we (as black society and hip hop culture) were the only ones doing that to each other. Smh
When Nevermind came out and Teen Spirit hit, Nirvana ended up creating a buzz that hadn't been seen since The Beatles hit. It was Beatlemania all over again, Nirvana was simple, relatable, and dressed like normal guys. Having a drummer like Ghrol definitely helped. It's also my opinion *only* that Kurt probably never expected Nirvana to be so successful, which more than likely contributed to his passing. Edit; Because I haven't said enough about Kurt's talent as a songwriter, Kurt Cobain was a poet for the times that was definitely ready for a generation that was hungry for something different, he wasn't as proficient a guitarist as EVH or any of his peers at the time but Kurt was very effective at what he did. Kurt and Nirvana were and are still to this day very much icons because they ended up as game changers.
@finnmcginn9931 if we are judging based on purely album sales, there is only a two million copy difference between the best selling album of each band. If you also want to also throw in broadcasting, MTV was around and Nirvana was all over that, yet The Beatles did have a massive viewer base on the Ed Sullivan show. Arguably, Nirvana's impact is on par, if not only slightly less powerful than The Beatles.
Even though Kurt Cobain tragically passed away, Nirvana will always be a legendary band, not because Kurt passed away but the impact that they left on the music they made.
Kurt Cobain had the best voice and all Nirvana's albums and songs of Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, Incesticide, Unplugged in New York, and all the bootleg tracks were way better than any music the people dissing him in this video could ever make.
@@wyattcole5452 Im not talking about the musical style, im talking about the impact made. Gene Simmons says Kurt cant be classed as an icon because he only made three albums but in my opinion Kiss have never made an album as impactful as Nevermind. You'll probably disagree but thats just the way i see it.
And you didn't think it. There's hundreds of comments saying exactly what you said. You're not original about that comment. And Kurt wouldn't laugh about it. Are you stupid or what?
Nirvana released 3 albums,along with 5 live albums, two extended play albums and 3 box sets. They are definitely music icons and it didn’t take them as many albums to achieve. Besides bands are iconic on how they change the times,style and direction that music heads moving forward.
Peter Steele said “Kurt Cobain is my hero cause he had the balls to shoot himself” in order to understand Peter he just had stupid humor that is not meant to be taken seriously. He did have admiration for nirvana. I’m a fan of both and didn’t automatically hate Steele for that
@@rmv9194that album sold millions of records more than some of sound gardens albums or Alice In Chains and it was a live performance album a lot of people didn’t even know the songs were covers and some of them he did better than the original
Gene Simmons was wrong. Since 1984 we’ve had Michael Jackson, Prince, Eminem just to name a few. I’d argue that Eminem is bigger then Kiss and The Rolling Stones combined. Eminem has had 220 million records sold compared to Kiss at 75 million and The Rolling Stones 66.5 million. That’s what a quick google search shows anyways. Plus Kiss and the Stones have 20 years on Em. I’m case anyone is curious The Beatles have 600 million records sold, Michael has over 500 million and Prince has over 150 million sold.
This guys treat Kurt as a Snowflake. And as John Cleese said: 'Snowflake... Yes I've heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy." Grunge resurrected the possibility of connection with empathy and focus on sensitive issues. I think we need it more than ever!
John Cleese is a legend himself! I agree, grunge I think was a genre with lyrics that talked about really dark things, struggling with those things and it began what I think was a movement that helped normalize talking about it. Personal struggles, trauma, etc. "Polly" comes to mind, so does "alive" by Pearl jam and "Jeremy", and Alice in chains' "down in a hole" to name a few.
Snowflake isn't just a remark on someone's fragility, but also people's perceived notion that they're some unique individual as opposed to being a branded sheep.
Nugent later went on Howard Stern and called Kurt a musical genius. He compared him to Hendrix. Not in his guitar playing but his creative approach with the lyrics and his use of the guitar.
Yep. I also hated the fact that the "David Geffen" bit went on for so long. I think what the uploader wanted to talk about was "With The Lights Out", but he messed that up BAD!!!
I had never even heard that before. It's not some popular misconception. The mistaking it for 'With the Lights Out' is plausible, but that came out a long time later. Nobody was capitalizing on recent tragedy. It's so wrong it could be a ploy to generate correction comments boosting engagement. If so congrats.
Oh ,wouldn’t say that . He was happy to have beef and grudges with some groups like Guns n Roses He was quite happy to whine and virtual signal with his criticism of several rock bands in how they conduct themselves towards women Hard to take a junkie seriously especially one who didn’t mind slapping around his own wife , even if she deserved it
Two albums Gene? Find out before you speak! When Kurt died, NIRVANA had three studio albums and the Incesticide album. We can also make 20 studio albums wich most of the time sound very similar!
If you had listened to any of the Kiss albums from the 70s, 80s, and 90s you would've realized how ignorant you sound by saying this. Kiss often explored other genres of hard rock while nirvana only stuck to the same boring alternative sound that died faster than Kurt himself lol
@@Dfgdf91 KISS has good songs but sounds the same as other bands. Nirvana is something else totally more powerful accompanied by Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc. Long live dead grunge
It all boils down to jealousy. I seen Metallica when Alice and Chains was to open for them, I guess Layne got sick and they pulled out last second, so Metallica made it into a joke on stage...playing a part of man in a box and kept making a needle from one finger and pretending to slam it into their veins making it all to look like Layne was slamming needles. I can promise you, I was totally into grunge before it broke out into mainstream. I liked Metallica growing up ..but what they did and did to Kurt made me sick as hell and f them...f Ted nugget...but thank you to Johnny Rotten for really doing a great job putting together the words... so perfectly said.
@davej.meister5421 Whatever, but all 4 band members participated in that incident. That is the truth, and if he has no problem with Alice In Chains, fact is he did it also anyways.
Gene Simmons is so wrong. Seether has become an icon in the music world by his own definition and they started as a Nirvana cover band. Not only have they kept their sound relevant for over 20 years, they have also released 8 studio albums. Kiss was relevant in the 70s but they haven't been the power house they were when they released Rock n Roll all Night. Kurt isn't an icon because he died, he isn't an icon because he wrote 3 albums. Kurt is an icon because he created an entire new genre of rock, that is what makes Kurt bigger than his music. That is something Kiss will never be able to say over the course of 60 years, all they do is play rock n roll that has the same sound as the people who came before them, only they wear make up and have fun stage names. Django Reinhardt had more talent in his 2 fingers than kiss will ever be able to have across all 4 members.
I think the guys from the 70s and 80s were jealous that kurt brought something new to the table (grunge) and everyone liked it, and they werent getting much people listening to their songs. And i think id have to agree that they were probably jealous that nirvana was stealing the spotlight from them.
What do they have to be jealous over? Kiss, Metallica, megadeth, all of these bands are successful and not to mention that these guys are actually around to enjoy that success lol
gene simons isnt wrong tho. Kurt was never at the levels of fame of these super star groups before him, and he never intended to be. it wasnt a jab at kurt but just a fact. kurt may have been the better songwriter but that has nothing to do with what gene was talking about.
@@ravenmgrw3so you’ve never listened to none of these bands kiss sounds nothing like Metallica and Megadeth and this is the era where Metallica started going away from thrash to more heavy metal and Megadeth made one of the best thrash metal albums ever
I enjoyed Nirvana and Amy Winehouse’s limited catalog more than anything that Kiss ever did. And with respect, there are great rock bands around that simply won’t achieve the same level of stardom as past rock stars, simply because rock isn’t as big now. It no longer holds the zeitgeist. Kiss in their day was big like Taylor Swift is big-Big selling, big tours, but little esteem and few memorable songs.
2:39 uhm actually in 1993, Pat smear joined nirvana, making it 6 arms and 6 legs. ☝️🤓 3:24 uhm actually, nirvana had 5 records, being Bleach, Nevermind, Insecticide, In Utero, and their Self Titled released in 2002 ☝️🤓
@@enyx.666 Not that I'm aware of, he didn't even record anything on studio with them. In fact, quite the opposite, Kurt already had plans of disbanding in a letter he wrote to Krist but apparently never sent.
Yeah I agree plus most of thier act was all for show wit money behind it whilst nirvanna felt like regular people who made relatable music and jus having fun and are talked about 30 somethin years later
What are you talking about? They don’t sound jealous of being dead, or being a junkie. I don’t like Dave Mustaine or Johnny rotten but they’re not wrong, and the latter is actually very correct.
I do love Incesticide and vividly remember when I first got it and heard it. It’s so hard for me to pick a favorite. Most of the time I feel like Bleach is my favorite, but there’s so many songs I love on all of them. In Utero has Milk it and Tourette’s, I really love Stay Away and Territorial Pissings on Nevermind. Really there isn’t a song i don’t like, but I get a new appreciation for different ones over the years.
Considering my profile picture is Kurt and Amy.. Not going to lie, I respect kiss for their business model I guess🤔 Everyone knows Gene Simmons is a prick. And honestly James hetfield from metallica, I don't think you would say that today. Lars could fall off the face of the Earth and I wouldn't be sad. And let's be frank, we all know Kurt hated the fame. the camera being on him all the time. I think he just wanted to be a private person and TBH I don't think Kurt did what he did. Obviously he was worth more ded than alive and no one really knows the HOLE truth 💯🤷♀️🤐 Kurt will always and forever be a legend. Their music is timeless.
I'm not a conspiracy minded guy, but.... some things don't add up. Courtney 100% approached Eldon Hoke about killing Kurt for 50K. Maybe it was a joke, maybe not. If so... pretty sick joke. Allen Wrench didn't do it, but someone did, I think. None of us will ever really know the truth, unfortunately.
@@Danathema Turns out a guy with a mental illness with an extremely high su!cidality rate, a history of su!cide attempts, su!cidal ideation and a fixation on guns really did [redacted] himself. Who would’ve thought?
@@Danathema yes the conspiracy kooks are off the rails and no, he didn't 'desperately' want to be famous. He wanted to be known as an artist, not overexposed, stalked, degraded or harassed. He wanted to make his money and live comfortably. fame is fake and the great destroyer of artists.
"Good aim." Somehow I actually think Kurt would laugh at that. But Durst was probably still in the Navy in 94 and Marshall Mathers was in like 11th grade so who gives a sh!t what they think.
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Imma guess the halo for Kurt in the thumbnail means he plays good music, whereas the devil horns clearly mean they don’t, the guitarist is the only good thing about Limp Bizkit imo
Or figure by Simmons definition of icon that would be selling the most albums out of every band and there's one band that comes a mind that's outsold everybody and that's Linkin Park, so does that mean they're the greatest band ever?
I saw Megadeath with life of Agony and Coalchamber. Megadeath was the worst band on that stage that’s back in 98.
@@JoshMccluskey-jc2kqthey'll never sell more than Elvis though......
Kurt Cobain is the best of all time. They are just jealous of him.❤
On the lighter side:
When Dave Grohl met Mötorhead frontman Lemmy Kilmister for the first time, Lemmy looked at him and said “I’m sorry about your friend Kurt”.
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Dave Grohl had pay it forward to Pantera's Drummer Vinnie Paul when he had lost his brother, Dimebag Darrell. In a 2008-09 interview on That Metal Show, Vinnie mentioned that Dave reached out to him because he was in that same situation when he had lost Kurt, and Dave told Vinnie about music and how it has helped him a lot throughout the hard times.
Which is probably the last thing Dave Grohl wanted to hear. Nobody has realized that guy has done everything possible to have his own career that doesn't include Kurt Cobain since Kurt Cobain died lol
@@neilpatrickhairlessKurt was his friend he wasnt trying to seperate himself from Kurt at all
Lemmy was a really nice guy
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts and the stupid ones are full of confidence.” Charles Bukowski
Kurt had confidence
@@shamelesskindness Kurt knew he was talented, but he had self doubts like every artist does. When his record label were unhappy with In Utero, he appeased them and had an outside producer remix their singles, which was a betrayal to Steve Albini.
That was the most suitable comment ever
Well, who ever Charles Bukowski is, he's wrong. I'm dumber than a box of rocks and I have no confidence whatsoever.
@@dwiganstube Or maybe he's right, and you are smarter than you think you are.🤔
Hearing your favorite bands say things about such a talented band no matter how little music is sad.
Really :(
Dave’s was funny tho
talented only because he ripped his mentors and heroes the Melvins off.
@@ps.6023 Oh.. There it is... The guy who knows nothing about music made it's appearance! You can't even grasp the concept of being influenced by your favourite bands and "ripping them off". Please refrain from commenting on music topics. You do not have the necessary understanding of it.
@@CarlosCruz_cc sit down child. I was actually around when these bands were and influenced LOL seriously? You don't even know who the melvins are without looking up on the internet
"I was simply blown away when I found that Kurt Cobain liked my work, and have always wanted to talk to him about his reasons for covering 'The Man Who Sold the World'."
-David Bowie
David was great
he slept with 14 year olds@@criskii
@@benjorino David was mostly great
Source?@@benjorino
@@benjorino Ted nugent also slept with minors but no one gonna talk about that either 😂
Hendrix only put out three proper studio albums in his lifetime (same number as Nirvana). And Kiss doesn't even have a "classic" album in contention. Simmons putting his band in league with Led Zeppelin is delusional at best. And if Kurt and Nirvana had ONLY put out Nevermind and nothing else, they'd still outshine Kiss' joke of a legacy.
KISS is far more influential, even if not as good. More good bands came out of mid af KISS influence, than superb Nirvana.
Nah Kiss isn’t near as influential as Nirvana… maybe it was at some point but you’ll always see Kurt in fashion and Nirvana in music
@@enriquepastor3626 Okay, let's start. Arthur Brown and Alice Cooper were wearing corpsepaint before KISS, but i heard a lot of Black Metal fans took influence from KISS. Bands influenced by KISS: RATM, Pantera, Skid Row, GNR, Pearl Jam, Motley Crue, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, Marilyn Manson, White Zombie, Megadeth, Anthrax, Melvins, The Smashing Pumpkins, NIN and the list goes on and on. Nirvana influenced not THIS many good bands. Even though Cobain is better songwriter.
@@ФонФон-й7оbut also, there weren't this many bands good on the same level after 1995 ;")
I completely agree. I just don't understand the Kiss love. They're all gimmick and no talent.
Nirvana hasn't toured for 30 years now and they have 32.5M Spotify listeners, and KISS has been touring for decades and have 14M listeners. That answers Gene Simmons about the "two albums" and if Kurt's an icon. Nirvana's impact was immense and it is still going.
I do prefer Nirvana over KISS but there's also recency bias
Yeah just ignore the twenty year gap in music fans of each 😂😂😂
most KISS fans still listen to their music on Vinyl so Nirvana only has more streams on spotify
@@AlamailleGamer I have Nirvana on CD and cassettes. I also listen Kurt on Apple Music.The rare Nirvana vinyls are too expensive
Always good to hear the humanity of Turd Nugget.
Most of these bands that hate him, hate him because he killed their genres.
They hate him because he made way for bands like days of the new and matchbox 20.
@@123612100 he didn't do it, the business executives did it. talk about killing the messenger...all that misdirected anger got them nowhere.
Yet that 'genre' only lasted about 3 yrs. There is no such thing as grunge these days. Its a finished thing. It was over before we even had time to blink. So its not that.
Nirvana hasn't aged well either. Its not something I'll listen to and get nostalgia like most genres. Those "bands" you mention are still going strong. Some are even more popular now than they were. Nirvana is nowhere. Neither is Pearl Jam or Alice in chains. No one cares.
@mackash bruh, who hurt you?
They hate Kurt becuase Kurt me it clear that he didn’t objective women our care about money , also he made it clear he wasn’t a poser death Rocker
The difference between Mustaine and Hetfield's jokes is that Mustaine was put on the spot during a live interview, being asked about someone that he had no connection to. Hetfield on the other hand, went out of his way to make a mockery of Cobain during a performance.
Hetfield also made jokes about Layne...
Hetfield at the time was a full blown drunk. I'm sure he wouldn't have said anything like that now. And Lars is just a tool. Stage prop if anything.
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Megadeth & Metallica was in a bad situation when nevermind came out. Thrash metal slowing down and grunge era climbing up. I think it was more hate towards that situation.
@@HailTheApocalypse I think the comment was out of spite. Metallica thought that they were the biggest band in the world, and Nirvana was competition. He knew what he was doing
I find it ironic that rockstars who performed for freedom, change and non conformity, didn't react so well to a change in music industry. Many of them really ended up hating those who did something differently from them
Only those who were affected in their pockets like Gene.
That's basic human nature for you. Majority of the biggest artist get their mind twisted by success and turn it all into commercial projects rather than true art
Also a lot of those bands that hate the man and government ended up simping for it and promoting government 😂😂.
Fun fact for Gene Simmons, Nirvana made 3 studio albums, the same amount that Jimi Hendrix recorded before he died. I'm not saying Cobain is up there with Hendrix, but obviously it's not down to how many albums you make before you die.
To be fair, Hendrix did 3 experience albums and 1 band of band of Gypsys album
Exactly, Kurt influence is undeniable there are artists today inspired by him and big names, I have yet to hear new artists say kiss inspired them lol
@@christophernash1846 that was a live album though, you could also count Nirvana's incesticide album that had been sides etc
@@miguelsalgado7431 I think kiss have definitely influenced a lot of people, but Nirvana had a bigger impact for how long they were actually around, and yeah kiss probably dont have much influence on artists now compared to nirvana
@@DanteDiCarloMusic different band and new songs . They were going to cut an album if Jim didn’t have died.
A lot of people forget that many of the well-established bands of this era never really took Nirvana, or the entire "grunge" trend seriously.
People also forget the metal world hated grunge because grunge "killed" metal
The hair/glam bands suffered a worse fate. Most of them folded up.
Thear was jurney quin bosten they wher I cons ozzey 😂❤
Grunge is miles better than hair metal.
@@trooperdoo7117it was about hair metal, not metal in general, and tbh we can all agree that we’re glad hair metal is dead.
Glad so many people feel the same as I do about Gene. His band can’t scratch the surface of what Nirvana was and the influence they’ve had and they never will.
Well Kiss inspired a lot more bands than nirvana did but whatever you say pal 😂😂
KISS sucks. Although they were influential to many bands, including many “grunge” bands. But they’re more famous for their lunchboxes than their music. Gene is a jealous douche.
Roflol!!! Yeah, sure.
@@Imadeyourun no way this guy said roflol
@@XxBrickxX
Yeah, I did, roflol. You got a problem with it, bub?
A lot of people forget that Kurt literally changed the music world practically overnight, without really even trying.
You are correct sir
Not just that he also started a domino effect in music for example XXXTENTACION stated that Kurt Cobain is his biggest inspiration and that he felt inspired to make music because of Kurt cobain
Linkin park too
Changed it for the worse. No wonder why most musicians hated that junkie
Kurt cobain has so many life saves thats why nirvana is my favorite band forever, i started playing guitar because of Nirvana. And kurt also saved my life.
"That was great because it got rid of all those guys with hairspray and leotards. Then Kurt came in like a phoenix and cut them all down like wheat before the sickle. You are done! Nirvana to me was the most significant thing since the Beatles, Very powerful vision, very honest man behind it, I loved him" -Tom Petty
Bro megadeth and Metallica r still one of the biggest metal bands to this day lmfao
@@Erik-bd6ll neet
@@mtanningYa.
@@Erik-bd6ll Okay and?
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 he said that Kurt cut em down when he really didn’t and they’re still the biggest heavy metal bands in the world
I love that Peter Steele was respectful and understanding. There's a reason he was so loved. Hetfield is just fortunate that so many people have terrible taste in music and even like their new pop metal songs.
Peter Steele was a great guy, clearly very intelligent intellectually and emotionally, but without arrogance. Also taken from us too soon. Alcohol abuse took so many brilliant artists, from Jim Morrison to Bob Stinson.
lmao pop metal? you must be a true metal fan! posers beware!
kurt would have hated you
@@hermanubis96 Did a Midtallica fan get their feelings hurt?
Metallica was legit a great band in the 80s not so much these days tho
@redfoxse7en52 remind me, who has the best selling metal album of all time?
Simmons was pissed that Nirvana didn't do the tribute album. Plain and simple. How many albums an artist puts out has nothing to do with their legacy. It's the influence they have. Nirvana helped define an entire sub genre of music and to some degree even its fashion. Janis Joplin and Buddy Holly only released 3 albums. Jimi Hendrix had 4. All icons
Exactly. Sounds to me like a lot of bitterness and jealousy someone was light years more talented
Agreed, it's more about quality over quantity.
Nirvana is more fashion and a "cool" concept than music itself
If gene would of done some research. He'd found out very quickly that Kurt was anti mainstream media and didn't like Alot of hair metal 80's artist.. I like gene.
@@Myegoneedsthisyou don't get it.
Gene simmons saying noone after 1984 is an icon just means he doesn’t want to accept modern music
I like classic rock, but there have definetly been many eehhh I'll finish this comment tommorow
True to my promise, I will now finish my comment. There have been many superstars after 1984. Eminem, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, etc. Just because Gene doesn't like the music doesn't mean he shouldn't acknowledge it's existence
@@charliechaplin852 fr i dont like Taylor swift but she is iconic
@@charliechaplin852
Justin Bieber, i'snt Icon
@@jolonga9197 some people like him, some people don't. Most people know his name and who he is is what I'm saying
More people talk about Kurt and Nirvana than Kiss, in the UK at least Nirvana gets more airplay today than Kiss.
I think its safe to say an icon isnt defined by how many records but more how memorable
Today they do. But were you around in the late 1970's? KISS was way bigger than Nirvana ever became. I prefer Nirvana, but don't pretend that KISS was some one hit wonder. They had more than just a smiley face shirt. To this day you can buy coffins, keychains, and dog collars with the name KISS on it.
@SatansDonkey666 I wasn't, I was born in the 80's. I'm not saying KISS aren't big, I don't dislike them, I could name 3 songs, perhaps know 5-6 songs, so I'm also not a fan.
From my perspective I see to this day more Nirvana merch and more radio play for Nirvana than Kiss has/gets.
So Gene's comment on Kurt has not aged well. Kurt is an icon.
@@SatansDonkey666of course kiss got more airplay in the 70,s nirvana didn’t exist then
@@SatansDonkey666They were big, but not bigger than Nirvana ever was lmao.
@@SatansDonkey666 i don't understand your argument about how big kiss were. In the end there are more people listening to Nirvana than kiss. They may have been great, but Nirvana was just that much more impactful.
Incesticde was released between Nevermind and Inutero
1992, not after his death
...I think of Incesticide as their second album, and place it there on my shelf.
Also Kurt wrote the liner notes
@@BugRibI think you mean third album my friend.
Glad you saw that too. Can’t believe they didn’t do a basic fact check.
Keithmcc… I think he means second. You’re right - it was released third but much of it was recorded or played in the build up to Nevermind.
Kiss evaluating bands based on the number of albums really coincides with their lack of quality in their own music and instead focussing on quantity
Gene Simmons is just a megajew doing his thing
Exactly! It’s not about the quantity but the quality.
Yeah, and straight up saying « there hasn’t been any real legend in the 30 last years »… Josh Homme, Dave Grohl, Mark Lannegan, Chris Cornell ? Oh yeah right, they made actual music, not brainless rock ballads for 60yo housewives.
@@clemp23Popular music is trash no matter the time or place. Nowadays, in this country (Spain) there’s no way to scape from reggaeton in any restaurant, taxi, bus, street, pubs, television or even in the house people are playing such together with the greatest brainless hits of any genre like pop, trap, flamenco, latin stuff, rap, rock, etc. The fans are between 4 to 90 y/o both men and women. It’s a matter of really digging into music to find treasures. I mean, there’s spectacular musicians, but they rarely have a place in concerts, record labels, auditions, radio or television. It’s a worldwide issue to my knowledge. There’s music just for a few. Don’t expect a world full of dumbs to appreciate it. Still I’d like them to be not almost so difficult to find out. The technologic giants play a big role to hide them. Maybe people won’t be that stupid without such a propaganda that goes to other levels of culture.
@@bigol9223 Is his real name Shimonstein or something?
Kurt Cobain literally changed my life, because of him I started playing my grandmother's £2 guitar from Oxfam that smells of a church 😅 I needed pliers to tune the strings and because of Nirvana's music, nothing stopped me. I've broken my wrist and was told I'll never be able to play guitar again, I proved my surgeon wrong and despite the arthritis, I still play when I can.
Nice Nirvana changed my life as well Kurt is the reason I picked up a guitar 🎸 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
True dedication
Incesticide was released during Cobain’s lifetime. Kurt authorized the release of the compilation, had full control over the album art, and wrote the liner notes. It was released before Nirvana’s final studio album In Utero. It was not a posthumous release.
i'm sure the video script is ai generated
Indeed, when that came up, i was like:" it was a long time ago but i remember listening to Incesticide before In Utero". Itr's actually a great album.
Dead internet theory
Good catch, that was confusing.
Came to say the same. Incesticide was released in 1992. I feel like they meant to say With the Lights Out Box Set as videos during that segment are from the DVD that came with it.
I don't know what Gene Simmons is talking about. Nirvana has so many songs that can fall under mini albums to bring a grand total of 8 albums Kurt could have had.
Simmons' ego getting in the way as usual.
Nevermind and ineutero sweep the entire Kiss discography
Lol exactly, kiss is a joke haha
Kiss sucks "fans" cant even name one song@@kkdream99
Wrong.nice try
@@kkdream99your mother us a joke .haha
@@itookthenamego back to kissing your sister.
Peter was truly a great man. So humble, polite...
That’s why he’s still loved and missed. Type O Negative is one of the greatest bands ever.
i so agree he was such a good man who created brilliant and funny music
I've never heard anything bad said about Peter Steele. He honestly seems like an all-around great musician and person.
@@ryanscottnix eh, there's people who'll call him a N@zi because of some jokes he made but it was always clear he wasn't an actually hateful person
i miss him so much
all those who showed insensitivity or mocked Kurt in public are curiously also the same ones who couldn't handle the impact that Nirvana had on their music, making it age badly as soon as Nevermind was published
Most fans were teenagers and people following the trend
@@Myegoneedsthis called the grunge revolution for a reason dude, some guys relate w/ the angsty lyrics n find solace in them, i mean till this day, people still listen to them a lot do they? they defined a generation and put them in flannel, yeah there are many subcultures now but we cant forget the impact theyve done then and now to this day, some people express their pain in different ways, and music is one of them. people who relate to that pain listen to that music to help them.
Many of those bands have pretty much fell apart
yeah sure like Eminem 🙄🙄... Before Kurt, music was fun, after him teenagers embraced depressing and thought it was cool.
Hell, yes
cant believe so many ppl down talked his death.
Johnny Rottens remarks werent disrespectful.they were laments of wasted youth and talent
As usual, Mr. Lydon is right on point.👍
Johnny Rotten was a wannabe punk clown and now hes getting whats coming to him.
Exactly. John is a very intelligent, perceptive person and has spoken of Kurt publicly several times. He is being completely misrepresented here.
He was speaking from experience. Sid Vicious was his best friend.
I love it how people always talk about waste like we humans were just a product meant to function and have a purpose
Gene Simmons is a brand, not an artist. He can play bass but he plays the rock persona as his job and you can see he only does it to satisfy his narcissism.
an entertainer, perhaps?
@@lmclrain Entertainer, yes.
@@samcahntent keep it simple, dude
people his age think that means to be an artist, pretty much
you are an artist if you get to make money, if you gather tons of people, if you get crazy attention, if people look up to you for whatever reason
pretty much they learned that during their time, that is that
@@lmclrain oh I get that. People say bands like Green Day or even Nirvana/grunge bands “sold out” but if you’re able to make money like that, you’d be stupid not to. But Gene’s thing gives off a vibe like he’s a business man first, which is smart and works, but because of it, it’s hard for me to take anything he says seriously because he comes off pompous and very much about the money and fame before the music. But like I said, it totally works 👌🏻
An Icon is anyone who leaves a long-lasting positive impact on music. That can be a single song if its enough to change hearts and minds, or it could be a mega career or 20 records. The fact that we still talk about Kurt to this day proves he had a impact on our lives.
"Cobain is not an icon" 30 years after his death and he still talked about daily 31,348,255 Monthly listeners on Spotify over a billion views on UA-cam Sold 75 million records worldwide but yeah he's not an icon
Simmons is just a talentless poser
Exactly. I listen to nirvana to this day since I was like 12
He is an icon, sure. But he isnt the most iconic.
I'm not taking anything serious that comes from a man wearing make-up
@@simpego81 exactly. i never gave a crap about listening to kiss because of how weird their persona is.
I am not the hugest Nirvana fan, but they are musical icons. They may have only put out a few albums, but they changed the state of music, and that is still being felt.
Rip Kurt Cobain.. I listen to your music every day, and I always will
Ask someone now if they know who Nirvana is, and then ask them if they know who Kiss is? I think you will see who the legends are. People may know the Kiss name but few could name a song. Smells Like Teen Spirit is an anthem that gets played everywhere. Kiss is okay, but Nirvana is a different type of music and on another level.
Yeah its wild how Nirvana became the radio sellouts Gene always wanted KISS to be
Most people would only know Smells like teen spirit, come as you are, I was Made for Loving you and Rock AND Roll all Nite from both bands.
of course we know nirvana: it's a fashion brand, every teen has one of their tshirts from primark... XD
No, KISS is a much better band than Nirvana. KISS knows how to inspire with their live performances. Listening to Nirvana put me to sleep.
@@social191the only thing Kiss knows is how to sell out and be f***ing c***s
James Hetfield also made fun of Layne Staley that year too.
And I bet he'd throw hands if someone joked about Cliff's death.
Really not the same thing...
@@lordtrigon1733 I think op meant the same year Layne died. And that's definitely just as bad, if not worse, because Layne had possibly even more of a miserable end than Kurt given how drawn out it was and how he kind of just knew it was coming for so long and had to just wait for what he believed (and was correct in his assumption as it ended up happening) inevitable.
@@blodfrukt not to mention, weren't Metallica friends with Alice in Chains?
@@SilentProtiyes they were at the end and they attended the unplugged of AIC
A lot of these people are very bitter and jealous because they wanted what Kurt didn't want : to become an icon (due to pressure).
That's sad considering Kurt was a big metallica fan too
wait what. didn’t expect to see you here but like it makes sense. have a good day gabzito.
I don’t think they actually meant it. Was a terrible joke to make
Im actually gonna let that one go bc that was when James was going through some stuff and was drunk all the time
Hello There
3:55 - Quality vs quantity. Kiss may have several records, but only a handful of iconic songs. They are still an iconic band, but I would argue that the ones which only have one or two records where nearly every song was a hit just as iconic
'' I was simply blown away when i found out that Kurt liked my work, and had always wanted to talk to him about his reason for covering 'The Man Who Sold The World'.''
- David Bowie
Peter Steele did say that kobain was his hero cause he had the balls to do it.
Cobain will forever be an icon & one of the main reasons why I started playing guitar. He was a tortured soul that was around ALOT of bad people in his last days. I still believe if he had a different crowd around him he would probably still be alive? RIP brother 🤘🪦⚰️
I think you're right. Kurt had completely isolated himself with junkies who were only there to take advantage of the money and access to drugs.
I hope you can play more than three chords. You will be better at guitar than he ever was
He needed to be away from his wife. 😢
I can play way more than 3 chords. But he made ALOT of 💰 playing those 3 chords.
@@watkinscharles829 Can't argue with that
Since Cobain died no band has been bigger than them and three albums is quality over quantity
Insane glaze
@@jshdhsufhc3437 Its true, they literally reinvented rock.
The only band that has come close is Linkin Park, my favorite band because they had the talents of Chester, Mike, and Mr Hahn all in one band
Gene Simmons is always saying something incorrect.
That’s because he doesn't have a clue.
"Cobain was toxic", "He was a weenie" says a clearly non-toxic person. I am reminded of a South Park episode about Britney Spears.
4:04 im not taking the opinion of a sellout
Fred did not mean any disrespect when he did the finger guns when he covered Nirvana, he does the finger guns during many performances/ songs over the years, it was just taken a bit out of context for the Nirvana cover.
Yeh ok
Hmm aight!
I mean he has the guy tattooed on him, i'm certain he likes him
@@BOBINDUN I agree, and he even did a tiktok with himself dressed as Kurt in a funny but harmless clip where himself and Kurt meet face to face as neighbors. There's alot of mistakes Fred has done since he and his band mates started the band but I highly doubt he'd ever disrespect even Kurt or Nirvana. He's close friends with Dave Grohl by the way.
most Nu Metal Bands love Nirvana and alot Of Grunge Bands..Why dont more people make fun of Chester or Chris Cornell? Its all the same..
Everything that Ted Nugent said is ironically a perfect description of himself, not Kurt.
he is alive so?
@@YesMan-uy4cj a zombie
@@simpego81 not bad
Most of the time people are just projecting. We hardly understand what's not inside our selves. So when we point fingers at others and try and assume what could be their dark sides. We often end up revealing our own dark sides as those are the actual only darksides we know about and can realistically in our own mind understand the existence of.
This is true for many, many if not almost all the times any human points fingers and blame on someone.
Now with this in mind. Take a minute or two to think about what it is Conservatives are throwing out of hate and mistrust about everyone that dosn't fit their box.
I would be very concerned with the conservative parties in America with how they act. If just 20% of what they are spewing out is projecting then it's still bad.
Ted is the guy who fights with PETA members over fences and takes a woodburner ingraving tool to a rare Gibson guitar. He truly is a "madman" lol
7:04 There can be no debate of insensitivity to Cobain about someone who has a tattoo of Cobain on his chest.
Meaning you believe he WASN'T being insensitive?
Maybe fred related to the thought of offing himself at one point and therefore, finger guns. Who knows?
Randy Rhodes…….. 2 albums and still a legend.
Randy Rhodes: Crazy Train alone and he is already a legend. More so than Gene Simmons, at least.
He also played with Quiet Riot after he and Ozzy parted ways
And a hell of lot better musician than Gene
@@scottwilson3741 before he played with Ozzy.
@@thetownspeople6486 my bad. That is right
Eminem didn’t diss him but they were insensitive remarks. But to be fair he made insensitive remarks to Lady Gaga but he’s gone on record saying he loves Lady Gaga
She’s easy to make those remarks about
Slim wiggy. Dude had three good albums and then turned into the epitome of what he was proclaimed to hate
@@Censored4UViaGoogle strong disagree but thats your prerogative
Since when is it insensitive to describe what happened?
@@lullsbaby9321 say your mother passed away in a similar fashion as Kurt. It might be insensitive to describe what happened to her in the fashion eminem did on the song he did it (the song title) on for the sake of shock value (a clever line though). I personally don’t find it insensitive but, I can definitely see how others might.
Respect dead people no matter what u think about them.
Kurt Cobain was a great artist, not exceptional in technique but he and his nirvana were important for modern rock... the most important
he was exceptional in technique, people are just squares with no sense of nuance
Only people that care about technical skill are guitar geeks and snobs. And those people are never artists. They’re just people that play instruments.
and Rock Is currently dead... No wonder...
dude rock is dead
like absolutely 100% dead
now we have ice spice n taylor swift
thank god
trust the autotune abusers to save the music industry
who put the children in the studio
@@Evsta rock n roll as a mainstream genre yes but there’s still many localized scenes in many places and people come out to shows.
Honestly kiss isn’t that good, they’re only known for their image and the makeup and stuff, I can’t name a single hit kiss song, Nirvana has well known hits and a image that is easily associated with them similar to how kiss has make up and leather
KISS had WAY more Top 40 pop hits than Nirvana. At least a dozen of them. Nirvana? NOT even half that.
@@davej.meister5421maybe not, but Nirvana has better songs.
@@peterhopqk Nope. Cobain could NEVER play an original guitar solo that distinguished from the chorus. He only copied the chorus. NOT a dang thing was original. Guitar solos matter in rock 'n' roll music imo. KISS could play guitar solos.
@@davej.meister5421 still Nirvana have better songs.
@@davej.meister5421 I’ve never heard them so that just shows how relevant they really are
Dawg.. I'm a hip hop head. I love and admire Kurt Cobain though. I was shocked to see that so many people were hating on him after his death. I always thought we (as black society and hip hop culture) were the only ones doing that to each other. Smh
When Nevermind came out and Teen Spirit hit, Nirvana ended up creating a buzz that hadn't been seen since The Beatles hit. It was Beatlemania all over again, Nirvana was simple, relatable, and dressed like normal guys. Having a drummer like Ghrol definitely helped. It's also my opinion *only* that Kurt probably never expected Nirvana to be so successful, which more than likely contributed to his passing.
Edit;
Because I haven't said enough about Kurt's talent as a songwriter, Kurt Cobain was a poet for the times that was definitely ready for a generation that was hungry for something different, he wasn't as proficient a guitarist as EVH or any of his peers at the time but Kurt was very effective at what he did. Kurt and Nirvana were and are still to this day very much icons because they ended up as game changers.
Not even close to Beatlemania.
@finnmcginn9931 if we are judging based on purely album sales, there is only a two million copy difference between the best selling album of each band. If you also want to also throw in broadcasting, MTV was around and Nirvana was all over that, yet The Beatles did have a massive viewer base on the Ed Sullivan show. Arguably, Nirvana's impact is on par, if not only slightly less powerful than The Beatles.
Yeah, not even close to beatlemania
I love nirvana but they were not even close to the Beatles
Nirvana was good, but you are high or brain dead if you think nirvana's impact was anywhere close to Beatlemania.
Even though Kurt Cobain tragically passed away, Nirvana will always be a legendary band, not because Kurt passed away but the impact that they left on the music they made.
It wasn't tragic
@@shamelesskindnessragebait
@@shamelesskindness Aww... Need attention, don't you?!
Kurt Cobain had the best voice and all Nirvana's albums and songs of Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, Incesticide, Unplugged in New York, and all the bootleg tracks were way better than any music the people dissing him in this video could ever make.
That's subjetive.
But did kiss ever make an album like nevermind?
No because they didn’t make music like Nevermind
@@wyattcole5452 Im not talking about the musical style, im talking about the impact made. Gene Simmons says Kurt cant be classed as an icon because he only made three albums but in my opinion Kiss have never made an album as impactful as Nevermind. You'll probably disagree but thats just the way i see it.
@@napalmslayer I don’t disagree
Or in utero. I dont think kiss ever made a solid album
@@zerog1037 a solid album? They made Dynasty and Dressed to Kill, not including their debut
I think Cobain would have laughed at Mustaine's comment lol
And you didn't think it. There's hundreds of comments saying exactly what you said. You're not original about that comment. And Kurt wouldn't laugh about it. Are you stupid or what?
That's what I thought too. 😂
Me too
Did you know him?
Considering how he expressed himself he probably wouldve enjoyed someone ditching him@@Sapphiredrawing
Nirvana released 3 albums,along with 5 live albums, two extended play albums and 3 box sets. They are definitely music icons and it didn’t take them as many albums to achieve. Besides bands are iconic on how they change the times,style and direction that music heads moving forward.
Pete admired many of his contemporaries for their struggles.
Peter Steele was amazing RIP
Many jealous people without empathy. RIP Kurt you are legend
Kurt need a respect, same of ALL members in Rock n Roll ❤
Peter Steele said “Kurt Cobain is my hero cause he had the balls to shoot himself” in order to understand Peter he just had stupid humor that is not meant to be taken seriously. He did have admiration for nirvana. I’m a fan of both and didn’t automatically hate Steele for that
Gene Simmons should realize that Kurt’s unplugged album… Almost none of the songs were hits but they were after the night he performed them acoustic
HAHAHAHA Come on...
@rmv9194 - Okay, but what do you really think?
Simmons is nothing but a posers....his opinion is irrelevant
@@BugRib great album, but wouldn't go as far as saying they are all hits. Which Is not a bad thing, some songs arent meant to be.
@@rmv9194that album sold millions of records more than some of sound gardens albums or Alice In Chains and it was a live performance album a lot of people didn’t even know the songs were covers and some of them he did better than the original
Gene Simmons was wrong. Since 1984 we’ve had Michael Jackson, Prince, Eminem just to name a few. I’d argue that Eminem is bigger then Kiss and The Rolling Stones combined. Eminem has had 220 million records sold compared to Kiss at 75 million and The Rolling Stones 66.5 million. That’s what a quick google search shows anyways. Plus Kiss and the Stones have 20 years on Em. I’m case anyone is curious The Beatles have 600 million records sold, Michael has over 500 million and Prince has over 150 million sold.
This guys treat Kurt as a Snowflake. And as John Cleese said: 'Snowflake... Yes I've heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy." Grunge resurrected the possibility of connection with empathy and focus on sensitive issues. I think we need it more than ever!
Agree! 👍
right on brother
John Cleese is a legend himself! I agree, grunge I think was a genre with lyrics that talked about really dark things, struggling with those things and it began what I think was a movement that helped normalize talking about it. Personal struggles, trauma, etc. "Polly" comes to mind, so does "alive" by Pearl jam and "Jeremy", and Alice in chains' "down in a hole" to name a few.
Snowflake isn't just a remark on someone's fragility, but also people's perceived notion that they're some unique individual as opposed to being a branded sheep.
Nugent later went on Howard Stern and called Kurt a musical genius. He compared him to Hendrix. Not in his guitar playing but his creative approach with the lyrics and his use of the guitar.
Talk about being hypocritical.
ya thats what i was thinking about i thought he liked Kurt why tf would he say that
Nugent is so two faced.
Some people need 15 albums to make a statement, others need 1 to make the same statement
one record is enough to be an icon if it's as great as nevermind, it's not about critics, the people decided how great that record was
To me not even their best album too.
Nevermind is very commercial and sold a lot... But there's a lot of better albums out there
@@Myegoneedsthis like what? Nevermind is a top 10 of all time. Changed everything.
Hiya. Im curious as to what exactly did it change? Who did it influence,? Facts please, thanks x@barkley8285
@@barkley8285 nevermind is not top 10 dude, even in utero is better
Incesticide was a B-sides comp that came out in 92. They made a video for Sliver. Why are you posting videos without any fact checking?
Yep. I also hated the fact that the "David Geffen" bit went on for so long. I think what the uploader wanted to talk about was "With The Lights Out", but he messed that up BAD!!!
I had never even heard that before. It's not some popular misconception. The mistaking it for 'With the Lights Out' is plausible, but that came out a long time later. Nobody was capitalizing on recent tragedy.
It's so wrong it could be a ploy to generate correction comments boosting engagement.
If so congrats.
Yay! Love Peter Steele. This makes me even happier I got a Type O Negative tattoo.
Kurt wouldn't of gave a shyyyt about what 90% of these dorks thought or what they had to say. That was part of his awesomeness.
facts
He liked Metallica and surely he heard about Kiss
Nirvana ⭐️⭐️⭐️legend ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Oh ,wouldn’t say that . He was happy to have beef and grudges with some groups like Guns n Roses
He was quite happy to whine and virtual signal with his criticism of several rock bands in how they conduct themselves towards women
Hard to take a junkie seriously especially one who didn’t mind slapping around his own wife , even if she deserved it
Two albums Gene? Find out before you speak!
When Kurt died, NIRVANA had three studio albums and the Incesticide album.
We can also make 20 studio albums wich most of the time sound very similar!
Bleach and incesticide don’t count
If you had listened to any of the Kiss albums from the 70s, 80s, and 90s you would've realized how ignorant you sound by saying this. Kiss often explored other genres of hard rock while nirvana only stuck to the same boring alternative sound that died faster than Kurt himself lol
@@Dfgdf91 KISS has good songs but sounds the same as other bands. Nirvana is something else totally more powerful accompanied by Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc. Long live dead grunge
It's such an honor when people compare my music to Nirvana/Kurt Cobain ❤
R.I.P. Kurt
R.I.P [*]
It all boils down to jealousy. I seen Metallica when Alice and Chains was to open for them, I guess Layne got sick and they pulled out last second, so Metallica made it into a joke on stage...playing a part of man in a box and kept making a needle from one finger and pretending to slam it into their veins making it all to look like Layne was slamming needles. I can promise you, I was totally into grunge before it broke out into mainstream. I liked Metallica growing up ..but what they did and did to Kurt made me sick as hell and f them...f Ted nugget...but thank you to Johnny Rotten for really doing a great job putting together the words... so perfectly said.
Jason Newstead NEVER had a single bad thing to say about Nirvana.
@davej.meister5421 Whatever, but all 4 band members participated in that incident. That is the truth, and if he has no problem with Alice In Chains, fact is he did it also anyways.
@davej.meister5421 And i never did say anything about Nirvana. Once again, and it's in my comment it's Alice In Chains!!!!!
I never really liked Metallica. They always seemed gimmicky like they were trying too hard to be dark.
What Johnny said makes me so sad. People forget how much it really impacts the people who actually go through it
Who cares what gene Simmons says
Who cares what all the people in the video said. For me it's totally irrelevant. In the end what remains is the music created 😂
Lol, it absolutely makes no sense 😆
Lol he spoke truth
@@tilster3239wdym?
Who cares what anyone says 🎼🤘🏻
I think they were all jealous that none of them came even close to how popular Nirvana was.
Metallica? Are you kidding?
@@bassage13 OK, Metallica being the execption. They were only jealous because their music wasn't as great as Nirvana's.
@@Kalculus-x2k I dislike everything after And Justice For All, but they are still one of the most popular bands in history.
@@bassage13 looks like we have the same metallica taste
I wouldn’t say Eminem was jealous. He was just doing what he does.
2:38 the way his joke wasnt even funny
It kinda was
@@tending8204 the McDonald's one was so wrong since Dave founded Foo Fighters
The same guy who can’t drum to save his life lmao
i mean it’s lars why would it be
Gene Simmons is so wrong. Seether has become an icon in the music world by his own definition and they started as a Nirvana cover band. Not only have they kept their sound relevant for over 20 years, they have also released 8 studio albums. Kiss was relevant in the 70s but they haven't been the power house they were when they released Rock n Roll all Night. Kurt isn't an icon because he died, he isn't an icon because he wrote 3 albums. Kurt is an icon because he created an entire new genre of rock, that is what makes Kurt bigger than his music. That is something Kiss will never be able to say over the course of 60 years, all they do is play rock n roll that has the same sound as the people who came before them, only they wear make up and have fun stage names. Django Reinhardt had more talent in his 2 fingers than kiss will ever be able to have across all 4 members.
it doesn’t matter how many albums you have it depends on if they’re good
Despite the joke James made, Kurt loved metallica and metallica loved kurt. He was at their concerts. And they acknowledged him.
I think the guys from the 70s and 80s were jealous that kurt brought something new to the table (grunge) and everyone liked it, and they werent getting much people listening to their songs. And i think id have to agree that they were probably jealous that nirvana was stealing the spotlight from them.
Thats also the impression i got from their comments.
What do they have to be jealous over? Kiss, Metallica, megadeth, all of these bands are successful and not to mention that these guys are actually around to enjoy that success lol
@@Dfgdf91 All those bands you name sound the same, that's why jealousy.
gene simons isnt wrong tho. Kurt was never at the levels of fame of these super star groups before him, and he never intended to be. it wasnt a jab at kurt but just a fact. kurt may have been the better songwriter but that has nothing to do with what gene was talking about.
@@ravenmgrw3so you’ve never listened to none of these bands kiss sounds nothing like Metallica and Megadeth and this is the era where Metallica started going away from thrash to more heavy metal and Megadeth made one of the best thrash metal albums ever
I enjoyed Nirvana and Amy Winehouse’s limited catalog more than anything that Kiss ever did.
And with respect, there are great rock bands around that simply won’t achieve the same level of stardom as past rock stars, simply because rock isn’t as big now. It no longer holds the zeitgeist. Kiss in their day was big like Taylor Swift is big-Big selling, big tours, but little esteem and few memorable songs.
Nirvana was a brilliant band. Anyone saying negative things are insignificant,and jealous. Fukc em'
Ace Frehley was the only talent on Kiss
👏👏👏 very true
Jerks. As much as I love Metallica and Megadeth, Chill abit. Gosh.
I thought the same thing
Didn’t know roblox fans liked Megadeth
Well Cobain was a jerk too so they give it back
Lol, I like a load of rock. I play slot of games, it was just easy to make a roblox profile picture
RIP Petee Steele and Kurt. Both awesome musicians.
2:39 uhm actually in 1993, Pat smear joined nirvana, making it 6 arms and 6 legs. ☝️🤓
3:24 uhm actually, nirvana had 5 records, being Bleach, Nevermind, Insecticide, In Utero, and their Self Titled released in 2002 ☝️🤓
2002 doesn’t count, but yea. I did wonder if he meant notable albums, but I don’t care to defend him
Pat wasn't an official member, he was a touring member, there's a big difference on that.
@@davidchez513 true, but wasn’t he actually going to be an actual member of Nirvana before Kurt’s death?
@@enyx.666 Not that I'm aware of, he didn't even record anything on studio with them.
In fact, quite the opposite, Kurt already had plans of disbanding in a letter he wrote to Krist but apparently never sent.
@@davidchez513 He was gonna get a part on You Know You’re Right but never got the chance to
I mean, the one or two records Kurt made were way more interesting that the whole kiss carrer, so...
Yeah I agree plus most of thier act was all for show wit money behind it whilst nirvanna felt like regular people who made relatable music and jus having fun and are talked about 30 somethin years later
Nirvana had five albums to my knowledge. Bleach, Nevermind, In Utero, Incesticide and the unplugged album.
Nirvana never mind and in utero we’re better than ANY of kiss’s albums! Not to mention that gene Simmons is a total doosh
I will sum up all the negative comments by these performers about Kurt in just two "simple" words. "Jealousy" & "Cowards"
What are you talking about? They don’t sound jealous of being dead, or being a junkie. I don’t like Dave Mustaine or Johnny rotten but they’re not wrong, and the latter is actually very correct.
@@wyattcole5452Was the ladder interviewed? Why not the foot stall?
@@Sunnyellow it would’ve been biased, it’s jealous that Kurt didn’t collaborate with it and a rope, took the easier way out
@@wyattcole5452 are you joking or you are just dumb?
@@wyattcole5452the funny thing is that they were all literally junkies
Dave mustaines comment wasn’t dark humor, that was just genuinely what he thought, and that’s sad
It’s called jealousy…
Incesticide is my favorite Nirvana album, every song on it is a banger
I agree that was probably the best album was Incesticide
Beeswax
I do love Incesticide and vividly remember when I first got it and heard it.
It’s so hard for me to pick a favorite. Most of the time I feel like Bleach is my favorite, but there’s so many songs I love on all of them. In Utero has Milk it and Tourette’s, I really love Stay Away and Territorial Pissings on Nevermind.
Really there isn’t a song i don’t like, but I get a new appreciation for different ones over the years.
Considering my profile picture is Kurt and Amy.. Not going to lie, I respect kiss for their business model I guess🤔 Everyone knows Gene Simmons is a prick. And honestly James hetfield from metallica, I don't think you would say that today. Lars could fall off the face of the Earth and I wouldn't be sad. And let's be frank, we all know Kurt hated the fame. the camera being on him all the time. I think he just wanted to be a private person and TBH I don't think Kurt did what he did. Obviously he was worth more ded than alive and no one really knows the HOLE truth 💯🤷♀️🤐 Kurt will always and forever be a legend. Their music is timeless.
I'm not a conspiracy minded guy, but.... some things don't add up. Courtney 100% approached Eldon Hoke about killing Kurt for 50K. Maybe it was a joke, maybe not. If so... pretty sick joke. Allen Wrench didn't do it, but someone did, I think. None of us will ever really know the truth, unfortunately.
Kurt wanted desperately to be famous and the conspiracy theory is nonsense.
@@Danathema Turns out a guy with a mental illness with an extremely high su!cidality rate, a history of su!cide attempts, su!cidal ideation and a fixation on guns really did [redacted] himself. Who would’ve thought?
@@megaton_a 🤡
@@Danathema yes the conspiracy kooks are off the rails and no, he didn't 'desperately' want to be famous. He wanted to be known as an artist, not overexposed, stalked, degraded or harassed. He wanted to make his money and live comfortably. fame is fake and the great destroyer of artists.
"Good aim."
Somehow I actually think Kurt would laugh at that.
But Durst was probably still in the Navy in 94 and Marshall Mathers was in like 11th grade so who gives a sh!t what they think.