Not gonna lie, I am a little disappointed in the 2080 performance. Was hoping 2080 would be 10% to 15% faster then the 1080ti. It is priced way to high for its performance level. Thanks for your hard work Steve.
I sort of expected this performance level for the 2080 but where in my opinion NVidia failed the most was delivering on their Ray tracing and DLSS support.
@@JGoose-oy9qo It will get better over time like Pascal did. Remember when the 980ti out performed the 1070 at launch. Know the 1070 is faster than the 980ti.
Having the 2080 just match the 1080 Ti looks like a pretty bad result to me... Weakest generation jump in a while. The GTX 1080 outperformed the 980 Ti by more than a 30%, the GTX 980 outperformed the 780 Ti by a 11% and the 780 outperformed the GTX 680 by a 25% (there was no Ti back then). With Pascal we had the 1070 matching the 980 Ti. Considering what this cards cost, I cannot find a way to recommend them.
Then again, Nvidia released the 2080Ti this time around as well because either: a) They knew the 2080 wasn't fast enough for enthusiasts to consider upgrading b) They already have a secret weapon in their locker, waiting for Navi to land, then again crush the competition Either way they are still miles ahead and stand to gain since AMD best offer (Vega 64) is nowhere close to their top cards, and Intel is the new kid in the block, not a threat atm
Its not true.1080 was better in new titles,but not by much.Plus,9xx wasnt a leap,but a step in GPU evolution.I suppose after drivers and game patches,1080 will be better.And dont forget about DSLL implementation.
The 1080Ti was 55-60% faster than the 980 Ti when it came out. Remember, the 1080 was 25-30% faster than the 980Ti while the 980 was 25-30% fastest than the 780Ti. This round the 2080 is equal or maybe 1% faster than the 1080Ti. So this is just terrible!
Man, not only it's cheaper but it's also better in a way that will far greatly benefit the 1080Ti's longevity - it has 3GB more VRam! It's not just 0.5 or 1, it's whole 3 gigs of VRam! For me it is the perfect 1440p GPU and it's sure to last with it's excessive amount of VRam. I wouldn't choose an RTX 2080 over a GTX 1080Ti any day. Honestly, a real gamer does not give a damn about the Ray-Tracing feature. Just a gimmick and it's so unrealistic too, the Battlefield V demo looks gorgeous but so... digital and washed. For me the GTX 1080Ti is the best purchase as of now. I am very happy with my GTX 1080 too, it's the perfect card for me.
@@dimitarkaloyanov9188 Are you dummy? RTX are better than GTX buddy! Besides Ray Tracing. It has better cooling and performance not overclocked. It's ok to own a 1080ti but you shouldn't say it's better than RTX 2080. Why wouldn't you pay an extra 100$ for ray tracing? You are basically getting a better cooling and performance with a new feature which is ray tracing. I would pay an extra 100$ and get RTX since it's giving me the same 1080ti power and more.
Lol, have you even read my comment, Nawras? Instead of blindly jumping on trying to justify your newly purchased RTX over the GTX why not come back and ACTUALLY read the comment you reply to? Like srsly, how can you miss the crucial part - 3GB less Vram and stuff? If you've missed the point just don't bother, you ain't getting it. And better cooling is a hilarious statement, like srsly man LOL. So you pay 100$ more for NON-existent RTX and a hefty promise to get it at the mid 30's to low 40s FPS in Full HD somewhere in future which basically renders it useless while STILL getting 3 whole gigs less of Vram and you call this better and me a dummy? Hahahahaha. You're a joke man. Yes, a rich joke and I hope you're happy with your purchase but still a joke. Don't try to justify your useless purchase by calling others dummies just because you don't have any other way to justify and feel better for being cash-raped by Nvidia. (srlsly dude you brag for having Ray-Tracing but what do you play on it, FFXV demo or what xDD). Peace out bruh and stop spreading hate, ppl like you are the reason why most PC gamers look like complete douchebags and idiots lol.
@@dimitarkaloyanov9188 non existing RTX huh? Hahaha you are actually salty. I can feel the salt coming out of ur eyes. You literally left everything I said and focused on that lol. I said you are getting not only the same performance as the 1080ti with RTX 2080 but better. Ray tracing is the icing on the cake which makes the card a future proof and overall a new Tech. You are the one who is runining the PC community sir. I feel bad wasting time and energy to a salty 1080 user who attacking people
The premium price is just too bad. I mean come on a thousand bucks for a high end video card? I remember a time when a high end card costs 500 bucks! Come on AMD where are you?
AMD is dead, because every time they've made a superior graphics card 80% of people said "thanks AMD, you made Nvidia lower their prices!" and bought Nvidia.
I'm with you. People tend to quote Vega as a flop. Probably the same ones that said Zen would be like Bulldozer. If AMD pull a competitive card out the bag ( doesn't have to be better, just nearly as good and cheaper) then Nvidia will feel it in sales. I really hope they can do it, competition is needed now more than ever.
its just logical mislabellin while doubling the prices ... 2080 should have been 1170 and 2080Ti should have been the 1180 ... with matching pricetags ...
yep, when you go by usual generational performance increases it ends up equaling exactly like that ... isnt it wonderful, doubling the sales prices while hiding the fact by misnaming the product with familiar naming scheme with shifting the naming levels up a notch to SHADILY COVER the fact ...
Remember when the GTX 1070 was as fast as the GTX 980 Ti? You won't get that in this generation :) RTX 2080 barely as fast as GTX 1080 Ti for the same price, thx for nothing Nvidia
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
? The 2080ti is the fastest consumer GPU on the planet. ever. Dont buy it if you cant afford. Get a 1080ti if you want. How many best on the planet things can you afford? Whos to say they arent squeezing what they can out of their tech. Is anyone else stepping up to the game? If it was so easy AMD and others would do it. The levels of entitlement are ridiculous. FTHANKS FOR NOTHING BUGATTI! I want a veyron for $50k. not a million. f#ck bugattigrreedia!!! Im now a toyota fanboy.
1080Ti launch at $699.99, you can find 1 now for around $600-$650 2080 launch at $799.99 (Founder) and $699.99 for AIB 1080Ti have more bandwidth and more Vram. Why would you buy the 2080? If you use it for blender or heavy compute task your wasting your money with the RTX card. It might be slower than the 1080ti because the vram buffer and definitely slower than vega(FOR COMPUTE NOT GAMING)
why are these haters turning around and me, the guy who told them to shut up, is disappointed now.. Ti 20-40%+ isn't enough if you consider the price increase. 980ti to 1080ti was 60-80% more performance. we couldnt expect such epic improvements again, true. but they had to justify the price tag, and they can NOT!
-2080 is $800 at launch -1080ti was $700-$800( 1.5 YEAR AGO) AND THE PERFORMANCE IS ABOUT THE SAMEEEEEEEE. Who cares if 2080ti is that fast. It's $1200!!!!!! Remember when we freaked out when TITAN Xp was $1200????
The 2080 Ti is for people wanting 4k @60FPS+ all time in traditional games while looking ahead for the RTX games incoming, and yes it's the same price as the TitanXp but at least now they can justify it with the huge new cores introduce it into the cards
The GTX 1080 was also $700-$800 ($699 MSRP) when it first launched, sometimes more depending on the model and availability. It only dropped to $600-$700 (depending on the model) when the 1080 Ti came out roughly a year later - and now it's obviously sub-$500... The 900-series cards also had their price reduced around the 1-yr mark. See a pattern? The freakout over the $1200 Titan Xp (same price as the Titan X and way cheaper than the Titan Z) was pretty humorous considering no one seemed to care when the Titan V released at $2999 just a few months later... Now, everyone is all uppity over another $1200 card that, again, outperforms the previous $1200 card... And the $3000 card... Based on the xx80 Ti branding...
@@notahuman369 the thing is that 2080 is about 800$ as the 1080ti but with about the same performance. The 780ti and the 970 has about the same performance. 980ti and 1070 has about the same performance. I don't understand why the 2080 is the same as the 1080ti. Specially since they are about the same launch price. Get it? The 2080ti should have been approximately $1000. But due to the monopoly that nvidia has in the high end gpu market, their prices is bullocks. If the 2080 was 600$, it would have been a fair card. After 1 and 1/2 year, this thing should not be $800.
Come on Steve, the 1080Ti was 55-60% better than the 980Ti. Why is this impressive when that 25% gap should be the 2080 over the 1080Ti and not the 2080Ti over the 1080Ti. This gen is a definite no go, I'll be waiting for 2nd gen to replace my 1080Ti.
+dinerman2000, It may not be cheaper than when the 1080 TI launched but it's going to be better than this half baked first gen crap and most probably will be priced the same. That makes it more palatable if the next 2080 (3080) can actually beat the 1080 Ti comprehensibly.
Steve obviously overdozed on RedBull, it's not great performance, it's CRAP for the price after 2 years. 2080 costs the same as 1080Ti and performs the same, that's just SPECTAACULAR, right Steve?
True, but thanks to nvidia's lack of support, sli sucks now and generally introduces more problems than it solves. Good for benchmarks but little else.
I've had both SLI and CF in the past (currently running a single 1080Ti) and while I'd say multi-gpu is not as bad as must people say, I wouldn't recommend anyone to build a mutli-gpu rig for gaming anymore. On the other hand, I can't recommend buying any RTX either. For high-end gaming IMO either a 1080Ti or a Vega 64 (for FreeSync support) are the best option right now.
cheapest GTX 1080 ti is 684€... cheapest RTX 2080 Ti is 1199€... 2x684€ = 1368€ + SLI bridge .. thats a lie Surely the 2080ti is expensive as hell but nowhere near 2x the price not mentioning the bridge
for the last few weeks, until just a few days ago, a 1080Ti with tripple fan was available for 599,99€ on alternate,mindfactory and some other sites. I'm pretty sure, if you wait a few days, prices will come back down. The bridge is 40€, so okay, the SLI config is a little more expensive.
Not sure about that logic at ~19:39: "The 2080 Ti is basically a break-even scenario, it's about 30% faster than a 1080 Ti, and it costs about 35% more _per frame_." IMHO, it would be a break-even scenario if you paid the same _per frame_ for both cards, say ~$10 per frame, as you'd get 'your money's worth' in extra frames with a 2080 Ti. Here, instead, you're paying about 1.3 times _per frame_ for an extra 1.3 times as many frames, which means you're paying ~75% more money for ~30% extra performance.
Yeah, that is the older version of the same id Tech game engine. If they can make a vulkan game engine which scales so well with video cards build from the ground up for low level API's and async compute, why can't others do it?
Simply because most developers out there are used to older tech in software terms and NVidia - who were pushing DX11 for so long - are a prime reason for it. As it is a very similar situation with DX12. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is basically the first proper DX12 title and it's coming 3 years after the launch of the API. Vulkan is (roughly speaking) Open GL's version of DX12. AMD's GCN cards have had great support for those since day one, but most developers wouldn't jump on that bandwagon, cause Nvidia owned most of the market. Now that RTX cards can do what AMD cards can, things will change though.
Yeah... I don't see the amazing performance that Steve is raving about. Generation on generation we should expect an increase of performance for similar price even given inflation cost adjustments.
Max Mustermann Idk man, just 30% increase in almost 2 years? I don't think I'd consider that a real improvement, it's certainly not in line with the history of microelectronics. Lets hope ATI can catch up and bring these prices down!
Luis They used to get the same improvements in one year and for about the same price as last year, that's right. But I would still consider it a desirable GPU and vast improvement over the last gen - if it came at last gen prices.
I'm disappointed that all the hoopla regarding Vega pricing "switcheroo" was blown up but RTX2080's MSRP of "$700" is being used for bang/buck ratios when there is nothing close to that price on the market.
Correct, they are over $800 in most cases and the 1080ti can be had for $600 or so if you be patient and shop around. This price to performance chart was a load of crap. Sorry Steve!
I think it's safe to say that if the slides indicate that the 20 series were FE then the 10 series used were in fact not FE, as they're pretty consistent with their labeling. -for the contribution of this thread Comparing the previous founder's edition vs the 20 series is, albeit important, misleading as to the non-thermally restricted performance is what the general population cares about when seeing the true numbers. But I would like to see someone actually pit the thermal performances against each other to show if you had the actually 10 series FE cards. But does anyone even have one of those? Buying Founder's edition was entirely for looks rather than performance for the last generations.
Lol i have seen a lot of people blaming AMD for the high prices due to no competition but sometimes wonder how many would have bought an amd gpu even if they performed the same. But i agree with steve that the 2080 is a bit of a let down. The only card perhaps worth considering is the 2080ti but for that price i would rather save my money until ray tracing is a thing in games. The only game i am interested in that will have ray tracing is Tombraider but i cant justify such a huge price for only one game that will have little bit better lighting effects. I would rather take my $1200 and buy a another 1080ti and a 144hz 1440p gsync monitor and enjoy all games at high frame rate and graphic fidelity.
No people would have definitely bought AMD if the company actually delivered on their promises. A counter example of people buying AMD when they deliver their promises is with their ryzen and threadripper CPUs. You can't assume people as sheeps and generalize for the sake of generalizing.
A 30% increase in performance after 3 years from the last cards is not super or great..it is normal ..the cards are too highly priced ..I'll will wait for next year or if AMD ..can give us a bargain ...oh your video is great.
I think I'm going to wait with it. It's a terrible offer now, but once it's properly stocked and the preorder demand is gone, it might become a better option. There is a lot of tech in that card that we have yet to see in practice, DLSS could be a huge boost for anything that supports it, realtime raytracing is simply awesome (even though our currently zero experience suggests otherwise) and NVLink could be multi-GPU done right. I'm expecting great things from this last one, if you could buy a 2080 today and when you have the budget just add another 2080 it would be a much better upgrade path than just buying a better GPU later, but of course we'll have to see that in practice too.
So the 2080 is around a 1080 Ti but more expensive, with less memory and less bandwith, and the only scenario where 2080 Ti makes sense is if you have a 4K 144Hz monitor, which cost 1500-2000 bucks, in adition to 1200 on the graphics card, of course. Yeah, avoid this series if you're money counscious. Wait for 7nm if you have a good card to wait with.
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
+Dark Shadow1993 DLSS is hardly a good reason to buy a 2080/2080ti. Most people don't run AA on 1440p and certainly not 4k; it has diminishing returns with PPI, so unless you use a 50" TV as a monitor, you won't even be able to see it. It will be good for VR where you have the screen strapped to your face. The best reason I can see for buying these cards is Vulkan and (I assume) DX12 performance. Pascal only had software support for Vulkan, and that really shows when comparing it to the 20 series.
Very happy with my 2080 FE purchase. It runs much cooler than my previous Vega 64 LC. Uses 40watts less power than a 1080Ti. Is silent and has amazing build quality. The reviews didn't change my mind because I wasn't expecting much more than 1080Ti performance for the 2080 in the first place.
If I had the money to buy 2080 Ti, I would buy probably upgrade my PC platform (mobo, CPU and RAM), nice dinner at restaurant and have still money for a bad day.
About what I expected, not impressed with the performance considering the price hikes vs last gen's launch prices. 1200-1300 dollars? Gtfo here, it would need to be A LOT faster to justify that. And the 2080 is barely faster than the 1080Ti, at $100 more, 2 and a half years after Pascal launched. For reference, the 1080 is 28% faster than the 980Ti according to gpu userbenchmark.
Dont expect gains to always be linear. The manufacturing cost to implement turing is a shtload more. You want the best then cough up $$$. otherwise settle for less. Why should a veryron cost a million? bugattigreedia! why does any best n the planet stuff cost more? i want. i want. i deserve to have the best things on the planet. me me me
Manufacturing costs, demand, competition. Economics 101. Pick the best out of anything and see the premium charged. Tell dyson not to charge so much for their vacuum cleaners. have you seen how much it costs for a top of the range kitchen knife set? us poorfags have to settle for a basic set from wallmart.
trignite Yeah, but they had the GP102 chip right from the start. It was used in Quadros and the first Pascal Titan before they released the 1080Ti. This time they had to release the Ti right from the start, because the 2080 non-Ti is really no faster than the 1080Ti.
Lol good thing, this will teach them to skip a gen when you get a flagship product. Unless they got more money than sense, which to be fair isn’t hard when you have no sense.
Nvidia planned all of this. Nvidia racked up to 300 000 overstock GPUs as mining interest dwindeled. They rushed this launch so there wouldnt be DLSS or RT games available yet, so reviewers would say that buy the 10-series cards instead. Thats the reason for the high prices too. They pumped up the price so it would eat consumers interest in these new GPUs and old series would seem to have better value. This way they can get rid off all the overstock they have on the 10-series cards. After Pascal GPUs are sold out and some RT and DLSS games roll out, people will definitely buy 20-series cards. And then Nvidia will lower their prices to get more consumers to continue to buy their products. Then reviewers will make new videos that suggests and recommends consumers to buy RTX-cards. Also this way it will be a great PR-move to lower these prices. So, way to go Nvidia.
Good points. I'm getting some more Nvidia stock tomorrow actually. Even if the 20xx cards are overpriced, guess which company consumers will buy their graphics cards from? It's not AMD. My reasoning goes something along your lines. And I think DLSS will shock reviewers when the news gets out that it's an additional 50% performance increase, on top of the 35% that the 2080ti brings. Check out the video on DLSS that Digitalfoundry made. They have performance numbers/comparisons for each of the 20xx lineup.
2080 vs 1080ti: same performance for more money 2080ti vs 1080ti: 20-30% more performance for 80-100% more money. And this is 2.5y later. They may perform better, but they aren't a good release.
greatest conundrum I’m going to hold out as well. Wait for what ever AMD drops after Navi and for what ever Nvidia counters with. I think intel may even have a card by then too.
I'm sorry, but these cards are aimed at enthusiasts. Clearly 4k. However with RTX you should expect 1080 60fps. What purpose does your 4k monitor then serve?
Unless you desperately what ray tracing the only card worth looking at is the 2080ti since the 2080 and 1080ti are roughly the same fps but the 1080ti is an easy $100 cheaper and i image they will drop more
no competition AMD fastest card is performance of normal 1080. Nvidia holding cards performance back and focusing on ray tracing now next year you will see faster RTX card.
Feeling good about pulling the trigger on a brand new EVGA 1080 Ti for $629. Definitely didn't miss out on anything by not going with a 2080. This was the first RTX benchmark video I watched, thanks Steve!
That Horror Show the Asus 1080ti looked awesome plus Gamers Nexus called it the best 1080ti out there. It was just a little bit out of my price range though. I got an excellent deal on my 1080ti so definitely no regrets.
@@rosskluczinske6998 what you mean out of price, the $749.00 I payed for it? I consider myself one of the lucky ones, because after I purchased it the thing skyrocket with the mining craze. I was very fortunate.
Meh. As expected rather poor performance unless you fork out $1200+ for the 2080ti. So for the vast majority of people the RTX series doesn't make sense to buy. A 1080ti is on par with the $200+ more expensive 2080 so that's definitely a waste of money.
Sometimes theres great gains , others not. Im also skipping this (i already have a 1080ti), but i think its crazy this expectation of awesome gains. The manufacturing cost for their GPUS has gone up dramatically over last gen to implement rtx. Aand yeah its not mature but it has to start somewhere. We all a little bit too entitled/spoilt.
Great review as usual mate! :) Very unbiased and objective. You should give yourself a few days' break after your crazy schedule :) I like the push of new tech for sure, very innovate. Though I'd probably wait for the 2nd gen of ray tracing cards before buying into it, as then there would be more software support. 2080 Ti performance is pretty good, though comes with the price I guess. I think I will wait either until the 3000 series, or until Navi comes out, based on the value they offer. If I were to get something right this second, I'd probably go for a 1080 Ti. But yeah, I agree with you, not preordering and making an informed decision is, and always will be, the best course of action. No need to get caught in the hype machine and milked by some large corporations (whichever colour they represent) :)
If we ALL arent... we need to get a mental evaluation!!!!!!!! So fucking depressing! No wonder they did not mention or show ANY info on fps etc on their 'Reveal'.
@@jaggsta or you buy a second hand. In Australia (where everything is more expensive), I just bought a used 1080Ti for 656 AUD. To put that in perspective, the 2080 is available here for 1199 AUD. (The Ti is 1899!!)
Evga cards have a 3 year user transferable warranty. If you get the serial number of a used card you are interested in buying you can look it up online or give them a call and they will look it up for you. They are super awesome people over there.
best channel for benchmarks tbh . but I don't get it, the 2080 performance is almost similar to the 1080ti, and the ti costs 100-150€ less. unless you are rly interested in the raytracing then this a bad upgrade from 1080ti, heck even the 1080 is still decent considering the price which is like 300-350€ less than the 2080 cards... Nvidia took an L with this one
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
Hopefully after drivers mature it gets a lot better. I remember when everyone thought it was crazy to buy a GTX 1070 because the 980 ti performed simarlarly and was cheaper. After a while the 1070 jumped way ahead and I'd wager the same will happen for the RTX cards. If only the price wasn't so insane.
In Australia, I can buy a brand new GTX 1080 Ti from eBay for $854.10 including shipping. An RTX 2080 which performs basically exactly the same has an MSRP of $1,199. And that's assuming these cards will actually be available at MSRP which most likely they won't. Best case scenario, an RTX 2080 is over 40% more expensive than a GTX 1080 Ti which performs the same and even has more VRAM (11 vs 8). I cannot think of a single reason other than ray tracing as to why anybody would buy the 2080 if the differences in pricing are similar across other places in the world. I guess this is what happens when there is no competition.
Currently on PLE, RTX 2080 selling for $1350 for Gigabyte Windforce, $1699 for Asus Strix. I fear to see what the RTX 2080ti's sell for. In comparison, last week I picked up a Strix OC GTX1080ti for $750 on Gumtree. The seller had preordered a 2080....
Even at MSRP which these cards certainly aren't selling for, they are still a terrible deal imo. Should be at least 15-20% better than a 1080 Ti. That's one hell of a deal btw haha, I managed to get a GTX 1070 G1 for $380 for the same reason.
Nice dense review with everything we need to know. In your experience is it likely the performance gap between the GTX 2080 Ti and 1080 Ti will increase with driver maturity?
Im curious to see how well it powers 3440x1440 ultrawide. Looks like it could be perfect. 35% increase over 1440p 16:9 but not as intense as 4k. High resolution and high fps with 2080ti??
Looks like it. 2080ti is a beast. Im at 32" 16:9 1440p (i prefer that ratio) with a 1080ti, apart from having no GPU to fluently run 4k (til now) - the major thing stopping me going to 4k is scaling issues. Id push up the scaling to see fonts, then software not deisgned to run at different DPIs starts to screw up. When i had 1440p 27" a few years ago even some win7 windows were blurry , same with steam .They may have fixed things, but the myriad of programs i doubt have. the DPI of 24" 1080p (which happens to be exactly the same as 32" & 1440p) is the defacto standard. MS said it was a nightmare to solve as every piece of software has to be specifically written to be compatible.
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
+Speceeh. And? It's no different than using MFAA. I use that shit whenever possible as it's boost performance by a shit ton while improving visuals at the same time. I play GTA V in 4K with 2x MSAA and average 70-80fps.
xZiddel But the performance wasn't identical, which is why I'm a bit confused. The performance should have stayed same or decrease when using higher resolution, not increase. 113 FPS avg @ 1440p 122 FPS avg @ 4k
@Hardware Unboxed. Great review thank you very much. You and a few others have allowed everyone that keeps asking me to make a informed decision, and as far as purchasing a 20 series, there are to many RX 570's, 580's and GTX 1070's used for really cheap on ebay and other markets, so I ended up using the money for those and got all my friends early Christmas gifts.
Great review Steve. Please include the clocks for the 1080Ti in your review (the 30 game one). I would like to know if you were using an AIB 1080Ti which clocks high at stock, or a standard FE model. The RTX FE cards are also OC models so would be a good comparison between OC models of 1080Ti with the RTX FE cards.
Tuna_ won’t matter much if AMD can offer cheaper deals like always even with slight lesser performance similarly they did with Ryzen over intel while people are seriously pissed at Nvidia as they were at intel
Yeah pricing is everything and btw AMDs Navi is 7 nm as well and may even have HBM 3 memory which would be a game changer because its supposed to be cheaper if I remember right
All of the years of R&D brought us to Titan X Maxwell, and in a relatively short amount of time, we now have the 2080 Ti. The increase in performance is just mind boggling. I'm still in shock at the increase from a 980, to the 1080, and later 1080 Ti (I maintain a gaming LAN for Coop, and roll hardware down the line).
Don't feel bad, Steve. I had exactly the same expectation: Nvidia not giving any relevant benchmarks + the emphasis on 'raytracing' and DLSS + no comments on any change in the architecture or software (improved performance with the same hardware)...it looked like they had something to hide. I did expect that Nvidia might try an optimisation like Rapid Packed Math, they kind of did that (two kind of instructions at the same time). It is good that Nvidia pushes raytracing but of course it will be completely irrelevant for at least one more generation.
OMG these price points! This is what happens when there is no competition! Only reason I can see the 2080 priced this way is because theres a shit ton of Pascel inventory, but regardless the 2080 should have beaten the 1080 ti by a larger margin!
Hey dont try to act too smart .... both of you have uploaded on the same day and in your video you have not even mentioned any of the 1% low frames ..... so get lost .... he has not copied you .... he has the cards himself
Yeah the 2080 Ti is the new Titan, plain and simple - and I can't wait to see this type of performance become affordable on 7nm next year. However I would argue there really is no point in buying any other RTX card.....yet. You see that Wolfenstein performance everyone? Nvidia is preparing to obsolete Pascal..... Tick...Tock...
Did you buy a Vega 64, and think to yourself "Gee, I wish I would've bought this at the height of the mining crisis to get an even worse value"? Well then good news, friends
This reminds me when 9 years ago SSD were hitting the market, they were small, not that super fast (current budget SSDs are 2-3 times faster) and incredibly expensive. The situation isn't as bad with RTX cards as it was with SSD's back then but still, unless you're an enthusiast to the point when cost doesn't matter you should stay away from those. I hope things will get better next gen.
All of you guys saying that he is crazy for being impressed in the performance jump "because the 980ti was ____ faster than ____" , did you ever consider the fact that for that past 4 generations 1080p was the max resolution? We are talking more than twice the amount of pixels, I'm sure if we looked at some 720p results in games that don't have a cap the card would actually be 50 percent faster... we even saw it being 50 percent faster in some titles at 4k! Loved the video, honest and informative as always!
1080 Ti is a much better value purchase, especially with recent discounts you're essentially getting identical RTX 2080 performance with more VRAM for hundreds of dollars less.
You weren't THAT far off, you told me 25% sounded about right though you did say your 20% for the Ti might be a little low. 29% at 1440p for the 2080 is pretty close. ;) The Ti looks a better card for sure though.
The Ti even looks like a bargain compared to a titanV or if (like me) you paid nearly £1000 for a 1080ti! My god the gpu market needs some competition to kill off these silly prices!
Great review. Only one criticism, and that's the constant comparison between the 1080 & 2080. Because of gargantuan price increase between the 10xx's & the 20xx's, that the actual comparison between this generation and last generation's high end Nvidia GPU's should be between the 1080 Ti vs 2080 and the Titan XP vs 2080 Ti. The future 2070 will be similar, coming in at a price point around last generations 1080.
Very informative review. I'd be really interested to see how the cards do in VR games too, since they're really demanding and generally don't support SLI.
IDTech 6 is a crazy impressive engine when it comes to performance. Seeing Wolfenstein 2 run at 170fps at 4k is amazing. The RTX must have some fantastic optimization for Vulkan performance.Wolfenstein 2 does run on Vulkan as it's default renderer.
Thanks Steve. Great effort as usual. You mentioned ray-tracing and the awaiting driver. Not sure if I caught a mention that you will run these two back through the mill when that becomes available so we can see how they perform regarding their true intention. Looking forward to it if/when you do.
30% improvement for double the cost of an 1080Tu :))) Excuse me, you were not wrong... Also the 2080 is 150 to 200$ more that a 1080Ti for the same performance...
The price of the 20 series is a joke, I can't believe people actually paid the ludicrous prices for these. It would have been a good normal launch if they charged $700 for the 2080 ti, $550 for the 2080, and reduced the 1080 ti to $500. The cards show a decent improvement compared to the previous gen (for the same model), but Nvidia is charging a ludicrous premium for having the RTX technology. The problem is that Nvidia knows that having ray tracing enabled is going to destroy the performance of the cards and nobody is going to want to use it until at least one or two more generations. Because of this, Nvidia is probably not allowing game developers to enable ray tracing on launch because it will get bad reviews and they want to wait until enough people shell out a ton of money for this new technology so they can be disappointed later. The cards are good at rasterisation, but that increase in performance alone is not worth the massive increase in price. I think ray tracing will be a great technology and make games look much better, but I just don't think the performance will be there in the first gen of GPUs. I think most people will opt to turn the features off and play at higher resolutions and frame rates. I also think Nvidia chose to launch these cards at such a ridiculously high price because they have a massive overstock of 10 series cards because they made too many on the hopes that they would sell to miners, but that fell through. They need to sell off the rest of the 10 series and don't want to make these cards competitive or else they will have to reduce the price of the 10 series or nobody would buy them.
Great review ... but please also overclock your 1080ti and 1080 while doing next test... not that it will change anything but it gives more view about fps to people better than imagining
Not gonna lie, I am a little disappointed in the 2080 performance. Was hoping 2080 would be 10% to 15% faster then the 1080ti. It is priced way to high for its performance level. Thanks for your hard work Steve.
You will see it with modern games and driver support
Especially at the price point I completely agree with you
I sort of expected this performance level for the 2080 but where in my opinion NVidia failed the most was delivering on their Ray tracing and DLSS support.
Glad you didn't lie
@@JGoose-oy9qo It will get better over time like Pascal did. Remember when the 980ti out performed the 1070 at launch. Know the 1070 is faster than the 980ti.
Having the 2080 just match the 1080 Ti looks like a pretty bad result to me... Weakest generation jump in a while. The GTX 1080 outperformed the 980 Ti by more than a 30%, the GTX 980 outperformed the 780 Ti by a 11% and the 780 outperformed the GTX 680 by a 25% (there was no Ti back then). With Pascal we had the 1070 matching the 980 Ti. Considering what this cards cost, I cannot find a way to recommend them.
Thanks AMD..
Then again, Nvidia released the 2080Ti this time around as well because either:
a) They knew the 2080 wasn't fast enough for enthusiasts to consider upgrading
b) They already have a secret weapon in their locker, waiting for Navi to land, then again crush the competition
Either way they are still miles ahead and stand to gain since AMD best offer (Vega 64) is nowhere close to their top cards, and Intel is the new kid in the block, not a threat atm
Its not true.1080 was better in new titles,but not by much.Plus,9xx wasnt a leap,but a step in GPU evolution.I suppose after drivers and game patches,1080 will be better.And dont forget about DSLL implementation.
Yeah but those gens didmt launch with the ti. Compare ti to ti and it adds up
But the price is a disaster.So im waiting for Navi or just second hand 1080Ti.
2080ti 23-35% faster than 1080ti at 2x price
Noice
Bugattigreedia strikes again. You can get a car thats 35% slower for half the price. F U Volkswagen group!
i.e. you want the best , cough up $$$. Thats how stuff works. Want a Japanese koi or just a regular Koi? Japanesekoifarmergreedia!
And i also see the 64 LC , which has almost the same price, got about half the performance, which one is a good company now
When i heard Steve i expected 50% more performance this is ridiculous.
The 1080Ti was 55-60% faster than the 980 Ti when it came out. Remember, the 1080 was 25-30% faster than the 980Ti while the 980 was 25-30% fastest than the 780Ti. This round the 2080 is equal or maybe 1% faster than the 1080Ti. So this is just terrible!
Have some timestamps:
2:20 - BF1
3:23 - Far Cry 5
4:23 - Arma 3
4:59 - GTA V
5:50 - Hitman
6:26 - No Mans Sky
7:10 - Project Cars 2
7:50 - Rainbow Six Siege
8:39 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
9:35 - Strange Brigade
10:19 - Warhammer Vermintide 2
11:01 - Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus
12:13 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Overclock result
13:01 - Strange Brigade - Overclock result
13:16 - Overview 2080 FE & 2080ti FE
14:10 - Power Consumption (Crysis 3)
14:44 - Talking
15:28 - 2080ti vs 1080ti - 1440p
15:46 - 2080ti vs 1080ti - 4k
16:14 - 2080ti vs 2080 - 1440p
16:26 - 2080ti vs 2080 - 4k
16:41 - 2080 vs 1080ti - 1440p
16:56 - 2080 vs 1080ti - 4k
17:04 - 2080 vs 1080 - 1440p
17:15 - 2080 vs 1080 - 4k
17:28 - Cost Per Frame (4k) (MSRP)
18:52 - Cost Per Frame (4k) (MSRP + FE)
19:19 - Cost Per Frame (4k) (Current Market Prices)
19:53 - More Talking (RTX + Risky Assumption ;) + DLSS + Recommendation)
I love you, Steve. Your work. I mean.
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Aren't you a gem.
Nah mate, you were spot on. I bought a used GTX 1080 ti instead of waiting for the RTX 2080. Thanks for the sound advice.
Man, not only it's cheaper but it's also better in a way that will far greatly benefit the 1080Ti's longevity - it has 3GB more VRam! It's not just 0.5 or 1, it's whole 3 gigs of VRam! For me it is the perfect 1440p GPU and it's sure to last with it's excessive amount of VRam. I wouldn't choose an RTX 2080 over a GTX 1080Ti any day. Honestly, a real gamer does not give a damn about the Ray-Tracing feature. Just a gimmick and it's so unrealistic too, the Battlefield V demo looks gorgeous but so... digital and washed. For me the GTX 1080Ti is the best purchase as of now. I am very happy with my GTX 1080 too, it's the perfect card for me.
I just returnd my GTX 1080ti gigabyte aorus non extreme edition to get RTX.
@@dimitarkaloyanov9188 Are you dummy? RTX are better than GTX buddy! Besides Ray Tracing. It has better cooling and performance not overclocked. It's ok to own a 1080ti but you shouldn't say it's better than RTX 2080. Why wouldn't you pay an extra 100$ for ray tracing? You are basically getting a better cooling and performance with a new feature which is ray tracing. I would pay an extra 100$ and get RTX since it's giving me the same 1080ti power and more.
Lol, have you even read my comment, Nawras? Instead of blindly jumping on trying to justify your newly purchased RTX over the GTX why not come back and ACTUALLY read the comment you reply to? Like srsly, how can you miss the crucial part - 3GB less Vram and stuff? If you've missed the point just don't bother, you ain't getting it. And better cooling is a hilarious statement, like srsly man LOL. So you pay 100$ more for NON-existent RTX and a hefty promise to get it at the mid 30's to low 40s FPS in Full HD somewhere in future which basically renders it useless while STILL getting 3 whole gigs less of Vram and you call this better and me a dummy? Hahahahaha. You're a joke man. Yes, a rich joke and I hope you're happy with your purchase but still a joke. Don't try to justify your useless purchase by calling others dummies just because you don't have any other way to justify and feel better for being cash-raped by Nvidia. (srlsly dude you brag for having Ray-Tracing but what do you play on it, FFXV demo or what xDD). Peace out bruh and stop spreading hate, ppl like you are the reason why most PC gamers look like complete douchebags and idiots lol.
@@dimitarkaloyanov9188 non existing RTX huh? Hahaha you are actually salty. I can feel the salt coming out of ur eyes. You literally left everything I said and focused on that lol. I said you are getting not only the same performance as the 1080ti with RTX 2080 but better. Ray tracing is the icing on the cake which makes the card a future proof and overall a new Tech. You are the one who is runining the PC community sir. I feel bad wasting time and energy to a salty 1080 user who attacking people
The premium price is just too bad. I mean come on a thousand bucks for a high end video card? I remember a time when a high end card costs 500 bucks! Come on AMD where are you?
More like where is ATI
Or Intel. looking forward to seeing what kind of card they make
@@kangaroo4024 I was under the impression Intel was jumping into vgas for deep learning and that type of crap?
AMD is dead, because every time they've made a superior graphics card 80% of people said "thanks AMD, you made Nvidia lower their prices!" and bought Nvidia.
I'm with you. People tend to quote Vega as a flop. Probably the same ones that said Zen would be like Bulldozer. If AMD pull a competitive card out the bag ( doesn't have to be better, just nearly as good and cheaper) then Nvidia will feel it in sales. I really hope they can do it, competition is needed now more than ever.
980 beats the 780ti by 12%, 1080 beats the 980ti by 35%, 2080 beats 1080ti by less than 1%....
its just logical mislabellin while doubling the prices ... 2080 should have been 1170 and 2080Ti should have been the 1180 ... with matching pricetags ...
@@Asghaad How does noone undrestand this lol? People are saying the price is okay since you got the 2080ti "early".
So the 2080 is a 70 card for 80ti prices.... While the 2080ti is an 80 card for Titan prices...
yep, when you go by usual generational performance increases it ends up equaling exactly like that ...
isnt it wonderful, doubling the sales prices while hiding the fact by misnaming the product with familiar naming scheme with shifting the naming levels up a notch to SHADILY COVER the fact ...
Ye but you get a new fan blower and a sticker that says rtx so price is justified
Remember when the GTX 1070 was as fast as the GTX 980 Ti?
You won't get that in this generation :)
RTX 2080 barely as fast as GTX 1080 Ti for the same price, thx for nothing Nvidia
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
? The 2080ti is the fastest consumer GPU on the planet. ever. Dont buy it if you cant afford. Get a 1080ti if you want. How many best on the planet things can you afford? Whos to say they arent squeezing what they can out of their tech. Is anyone else stepping up to the game? If it was so easy AMD and others would do it. The levels of entitlement are ridiculous. FTHANKS FOR NOTHING BUGATTI! I want a veyron for $50k. not a million. f#ck bugattigrreedia!!! Im now a toyota fanboy.
Dude stop with this bullshi. I can afford a 2080 Ti. Im just not a fucking moron who is gonna spend 2x the price for 30% faster. Pathetic.
Same price?? It's 200-300 more expensive. Its a horrible deal. The 2080 ti is the winner here and even that's overpriced here.
1080Ti launch at $699.99, you can find 1 now for around $600-$650
2080 launch at $799.99 (Founder) and $699.99 for AIB
1080Ti have more bandwidth and more Vram. Why would you buy the 2080?
If you use it for blender or heavy compute task your wasting your money with the RTX card. It might be slower than the 1080ti because the vram buffer and definitely slower than vega(FOR COMPUTE NOT GAMING)
The price is still ridiculous.
In Croatia 1080ti costs 1100$ to 1400$😂 and no i didn’t misspell that
the chip size has to do with it.
the card is as expensive as 1600$ here.
quit being poor
why are these haters turning around and me, the guy who told them to shut up, is disappointed now.. Ti 20-40%+ isn't enough if you consider the price increase. 980ti to 1080ti was 60-80% more performance. we couldnt expect such epic improvements again, true. but they had to justify the price tag, and they can NOT!
-2080 is $800 at launch
-1080ti was $700-$800( 1.5 YEAR AGO)
AND THE PERFORMANCE IS ABOUT THE SAMEEEEEEEE.
Who cares if 2080ti is that fast. It's $1200!!!!!! Remember when we freaked out when TITAN Xp was $1200????
The 2080 Ti is for people wanting 4k @60FPS+ all time in traditional games while looking ahead for the RTX games incoming, and yes it's the same price as the TitanXp but at least now they can justify it with the huge new cores introduce it into the cards
More like 1 and a half years.
The GTX 1080 was also $700-$800 ($699 MSRP) when it first launched, sometimes more depending on the model and availability. It only dropped to $600-$700 (depending on the model) when the 1080 Ti came out roughly a year later - and now it's obviously sub-$500... The 900-series cards also had their price reduced around the 1-yr mark. See a pattern?
The freakout over the $1200 Titan Xp (same price as the Titan X and way cheaper than the Titan Z) was pretty humorous considering no one seemed to care when the Titan V released at $2999 just a few months later... Now, everyone is all uppity over another $1200 card that, again, outperforms the previous $1200 card... And the $3000 card... Based on the xx80 Ti branding...
@@notahuman369 the thing is that 2080 is about 800$ as the 1080ti but with about the same performance. The 780ti and the 970 has about the same performance. 980ti and 1070 has about the same performance. I don't understand why the 2080 is the same as the 1080ti. Specially since they are about the same launch price. Get it? The 2080ti should have been approximately $1000. But due to the monopoly that nvidia has in the high end gpu market, their prices is bullocks.
If the 2080 was 600$, it would have been a fair card. After 1 and 1/2 year, this thing should not be $800.
@@NovaDoll that's the point I'm trying to make. That was the only way to justify the 1200$ price tag of the titan. Now even the 2080ti has this price.
*Enables RTX to view video*
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Gets 24fps
perfect for the cinematic viewing experience *cough cough*
Ray-tracing. You literally can't see without it. BUY IT
@@miguel92996 Perfectly cinematic.
Come on Steve, the 1080Ti was 55-60% better than the 980Ti. Why is this impressive when that 25% gap should be the 2080 over the 1080Ti and not the 2080Ti over the 1080Ti. This gen is a definite no go, I'll be waiting for 2nd gen to replace my 1080Ti.
Ok me waiting for AMD 7mm instead. Me when AMD came: "AMD always suck, AMD for amateurs and noobs, it has Ray Tracing too, worst drivers......"
55-60%??? Try 70-90% the 1080ti is basically 980ti in sli
you can wait but i don't think the price will be cheaper
The 1070 matched the 980ti's performance. Its disappointing that the 2080 is only matching the 1080ti when that should be the 2070's job.
+dinerman2000, It may not be cheaper than when the 1080 TI launched but it's going to be better than this half baked first gen crap and most probably will be priced the same. That makes it more palatable if the next 2080 (3080) can actually beat the 1080 Ti comprehensibly.
Steve obviously overdozed on RedBull, it's not great performance, it's CRAP for the price after 2 years. 2080 costs the same as 1080Ti and performs the same, that's just SPECTAACULAR, right Steve?
Like you said it is great performance but the price is the killer
I really could not have said it better myself. I mean... the pricing?... fuck me Steve. (Figuratively speaking ofcourse)
Yep. If you're willing to spend $450 more for the card, then it's great. No thanks.
@@DanielFrost79 literally would still be good
bwv1044 I'm so confused by your comment. What video did you watch exactly?
In Germany you can buy 2x 1080Tis + HB SLI Bridge for the price for 1x 2080Ti
True, but thanks to nvidia's lack of support, sli sucks now and generally introduces more problems than it solves. Good for benchmarks but little else.
I've had both SLI and CF in the past (currently running a single 1080Ti) and while I'd say multi-gpu is not as bad as must people say, I wouldn't recommend anyone to build a mutli-gpu rig for gaming anymore.
On the other hand, I can't recommend buying any RTX either.
For high-end gaming IMO either a 1080Ti or a Vega 64 (for FreeSync support) are the best option right now.
cheapest GTX 1080 ti is 684€...
cheapest RTX 2080 Ti is 1199€...
2x684€ = 1368€ + SLI bridge .. thats a lie
Surely the 2080ti is expensive as hell but nowhere near 2x the price not mentioning the bridge
for the last few weeks, until just a few days ago, a 1080Ti with tripple fan was available for 599,99€ on alternate,mindfactory and some other sites.
I'm pretty sure, if you wait a few days, prices will come back down.
The bridge is 40€, so okay, the SLI config is a little more expensive.
Julia J He didn’t say the 1080ti needs to be new, can pick up 2 second hand for less than new 2080 ti no problem.
25% performance boost for 75% more money.
With RTX more money!
Just buy it ;)
life is not worth living if you haven't seen it ray tracedf
Seems all right to me. Oh, wait, that'd be if the numbers were the other way around...
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_Gaming_X_Trio/33.html this one is 47% faster, but still, the thing is super expensive sadly
Not sure about that logic at ~19:39:
"The 2080 Ti is basically a break-even scenario, it's about 30% faster than a 1080 Ti, and it costs about 35% more _per frame_."
IMHO, it would be a break-even scenario if you paid the same _per frame_ for both cards, say ~$10 per frame, as you'd get 'your money's worth' in extra frames with a 2080 Ti.
Here, instead, you're paying about 1.3 times _per frame_ for an extra 1.3 times as many frames, which means you're paying ~75% more money for ~30% extra performance.
@15:48
2080 Ti vs. 1080 Ti, 4K, average 31% faster
@@proesterchen looool btw.
2 years of waiting for extra 20% perfomance at 150% fo 1080ti price, yeah rigth:(
Nvidia are an absolute piss taking joke, don't support them at this time. Support Jim from AdoredTV
When are the first GPUs from Jim coming out ?
do better or name someone who can do better :) otherwise walk...
@@NoobGamingXXX Nvidia can do a lot better then this...
You're just a poor, stupid AMD fanboy..... Oh wait I'm the stupid one for paying 150%for 20%gains.... PCMR!!!
Damn that Vulkan performance is insane. Why don't more games get developed for Vulkan API.
the tools aren't there yet. they're getting better all the time though
Than how the hell did they make Wolfenstein 2?
Raman & Doom 2016
Yeah, that is the older version of the same id Tech game engine. If they can make a vulkan game engine which scales so well with video cards build from the ground up for low level API's and async compute, why can't others do it?
Simply because most developers out there are used to older tech in software terms and NVidia - who were pushing DX11 for so long - are a prime reason for it. As it is a very similar situation with DX12. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is basically the first proper DX12 title and it's coming 3 years after the launch of the API. Vulkan is (roughly speaking) Open GL's version of DX12. AMD's GCN cards have had great support for those since day one, but most developers wouldn't jump on that bandwagon, cause Nvidia owned most of the market. Now that RTX cards can do what AMD cards can, things will change though.
$710 1080ti vs $1200 2080ti
that's 70% price increase for 30% more performance + RTX
lol
Yeah... I don't see the amazing performance that Steve is raving about. Generation on generation we should expect an increase of performance for similar price even given inflation cost adjustments.
The internet just exploded with RTX card reviews... I think this will be the first one I watch. All hail the Benchmark King!
exactly my thought process
hehe me 2
but it's a pretty disappointing GPU tbh...
Luis
performance gains are okay, just not at those prices.
Max Mustermann Idk man, just 30% increase in almost 2 years? I don't think I'd consider that a real improvement, it's certainly not in line with the history of microelectronics. Lets hope ATI can catch up and bring these prices down!
Luis
They used to get the same improvements in one year and for about the same price as last year, that's right.
But I would still consider it a desirable GPU and vast improvement over the last gen - if it came at last gen prices.
Fantastic video Steve, loved the value for money breakdown, very helpful!
I'm disappointed that all the hoopla regarding Vega pricing "switcheroo" was blown up but RTX2080's MSRP of "$700" is being used for bang/buck ratios when there is nothing close to that price on the market.
Correct, they are over $800 in most cases and the 1080ti can be had for $600 or so if you be patient and shop around. This price to performance chart was a load of crap. Sorry Steve!
Man, your sock budget must be as high as the MSRP on the 2080ti! lol
It's been a rough week mate 😂
@Alistair dude he puts f.e. on the logos on his slide :)
13:25
Those are the 20 series cards, he asked about the 10 series cards being used, dude :)
I think it's safe to say that if the slides indicate that the 20 series were FE then the 10 series used were in fact not FE, as they're pretty consistent with their labeling.
-for the contribution of this thread
Comparing the previous founder's edition vs the 20 series is, albeit important, misleading as to the non-thermally restricted performance is what the general population cares about when seeing the true numbers.
But I would like to see someone actually pit the thermal performances against each other to show if you had the actually 10 series FE cards. But does anyone even have one of those? Buying Founder's edition was entirely for looks rather than performance for the last generations.
Lol i have seen a lot of people blaming AMD for the high prices due to no competition but sometimes wonder how many would have bought an amd gpu even if they performed the same.
But i agree with steve that the 2080 is a bit of a let down. The only card perhaps worth considering is the 2080ti but for that price i would rather save my money until ray tracing is a thing in games. The only game i am interested in that will have ray tracing is Tombraider but i cant justify such a huge price for only one game that will have little bit better lighting effects. I would rather take my $1200 and buy a another 1080ti and a 144hz 1440p gsync monitor and enjoy all games at high frame rate and graphic fidelity.
I would've bought something AMD but they had nothing when I bought my 1070 June 2017
People still bought Nvidia even when AMD had 290's. And after the 900 series launched RTG was dead, everyone bought a 970.
No people would have definitely bought AMD if the company actually delivered on their promises. A counter example of people buying AMD when they deliver their promises is with their ryzen and threadripper CPUs. You can't assume people as sheeps and generalize for the sake of generalizing.
Nvidia is like Apple, people assume they are better. And on top of that, AMD failed with VEGA.
Looks like 3!
A 30% increase in performance after 3 years from the last cards is not super or great..it is normal ..the cards are too highly priced ..I'll will wait for next year or if AMD ..can give us a bargain ...oh your video is great.
2080 is meh, I'd rather get a 1080ti for 200-300$ cheaper
Mine was over $500 cheaper :P
I think I'm going to wait with it. It's a terrible offer now, but once it's properly stocked and the preorder demand is gone, it might become a better option. There is a lot of tech in that card that we have yet to see in practice, DLSS could be a huge boost for anything that supports it, realtime raytracing is simply awesome (even though our currently zero experience suggests otherwise) and NVLink could be multi-GPU done right. I'm expecting great things from this last one, if you could buy a 2080 today and when you have the budget just add another 2080 it would be a much better upgrade path than just buying a better GPU later, but of course we'll have to see that in practice too.
Oh trust me. I'm getting a RTX 2080 without a doubt lol. Once better drivers are released and DLSS is implemented, my 1080 Ti won't stand a chance.
you should just save for the ti ...
Depends where you live. In Australia, they seem to be the same price. I'd pick the 2080 over the 1080ti any day for the same price.
I think you are still a little bit too positive here. The RTX 2080 isn't really faster than the GTX 1080TI. So the performance is pretty poor too.
So the 2080 is around a 1080 Ti but more expensive, with less memory and less bandwith, and the only scenario where 2080 Ti makes sense is if you have a 4K 144Hz monitor, which cost 1500-2000 bucks, in adition to 1200 on the graphics card, of course.
Yeah, avoid this series if you're money counscious. Wait for 7nm if you have a good card to wait with.
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
To be fair, I don't think anyone who doesn't have a 4k 144hz monitor would even consider buying the 2080ti considering its price.
4k 144hz monitors which can't output 4k 144hz lol
Tech products companies are becoming hilarious when it comes to act like conmans
+Dark Shadow1993
DLSS is hardly a good reason to buy a 2080/2080ti. Most people don't run AA on 1440p and certainly not 4k; it has diminishing returns with PPI, so unless you use a 50" TV as a monitor, you won't even be able to see it. It will be good for VR where you have the screen strapped to your face.
The best reason I can see for buying these cards is Vulkan and (I assume) DX12 performance. Pascal only had software support for Vulkan, and that really shows when comparing it to the 20 series.
but it can't achieve 144 in most games older or newer.
Very happy with my 2080 FE purchase. It runs much cooler than my previous Vega 64 LC. Uses 40watts less power than a 1080Ti. Is silent and has amazing build quality.
The reviews didn't change my mind because I wasn't expecting much more than 1080Ti performance for the 2080 in the first place.
Good Thing You Don't Sleep! Can't wait for that 38 Game Benchmark :)
he must have clones to bench freakin 38 games lol
Zangetsu it's 35 games, a few clones passed away. We had a simple benchmark ceremony for them, they would have wanted that.
lmao can you send a few my way? i have exams coming up
Funny part is... I believe this actually happened ;)
LOL the benchmark ceremony make is believable.
If I had the money to buy 2080 Ti, I would buy probably upgrade my PC platform (mobo, CPU and RAM), nice dinner at restaurant and have still money for a bad day.
Color me flabbergasted! Great review!
A cheers, I'm waiting up to watch yours mate 🤓
Ohh shoot it's live, where is my notification YT!
I liked your honest review, as usually.
You will do reviews in 3d programs (e.g. VRAY-RT, OCTANE, CINEBENCH, REDSHIFT, etc.)?
@F and 3DS MAX, AutoCAD, MAYA, Cinema 4D, etc!
Yes, that's right!
Hardware Unboxed usually do a very complete benchmark tests :)
About what I expected, not impressed with the performance considering the price hikes vs last gen's launch prices.
1200-1300 dollars? Gtfo here, it would need to be A LOT faster to justify that.
And the 2080 is barely faster than the 1080Ti, at $100 more, 2 and a half years after Pascal launched. For reference, the 1080 is 28% faster than the 980Ti according to gpu userbenchmark.
Dont expect gains to always be linear. The manufacturing cost to implement turing is a shtload more. You want the best then cough up $$$. otherwise settle for less. Why should a veryron cost a million? bugattigreedia! why does any best n the planet stuff cost more? i want. i want. i deserve to have the best things on the planet. me me me
@@fredfinks if gains aren't linear then neither should price hikes
Manufacturing costs, demand, competition. Economics 101. Pick the best out of anything and see the premium charged. Tell dyson not to charge so much for their vacuum cleaners. have you seen how much it costs for a top of the range kitchen knife set? us poorfags have to settle for a basic set from wallmart.
I agree, but you're wrong about the date. 1080ti launched much later than the early pascal cards.
trignite Yeah, but they had the GP102 chip right from the start. It was used in Quadros and the first Pascal Titan before they released the 1080Ti. This time they had to release the Ti right from the start, because the 2080 non-Ti is really no faster than the 1080Ti.
I tried to tell all the GTX 1080 ti owners who preordered a RTX 2080 that they were making a mistake. Didn’t want to listen 😂🤣
Its funny because it actually performs worse in some games
no competition nvidia just holding back the performance till AMD releases something
I agree to 110%.. lmao!
Rofl! This shit is soo funny i think i have laughed a year ahead of myself.
Lol good thing, this will teach them to skip a gen when you get a flagship product. Unless they got more money than sense, which to be fair isn’t hard when you have no sense.
Exactly, people are stubborn... but if you got money to waste do you... 😂🤷♂️
Nvidia planned all of this. Nvidia racked up to 300 000 overstock GPUs as mining interest dwindeled. They rushed this launch so there wouldnt be DLSS or RT games available yet, so reviewers would say that buy the 10-series cards instead. Thats the reason for the high prices too. They pumped up the price so it would eat consumers interest in these new GPUs and old series would seem to have better value. This way they can get rid off all the overstock they have on the 10-series cards. After Pascal GPUs are sold out and some RT and DLSS games roll out, people will definitely buy 20-series cards. And then Nvidia will lower their prices to get more consumers to continue to buy their products. Then reviewers will make new videos that suggests and recommends consumers to buy RTX-cards. Also this way it will be a great PR-move to lower these prices. So, way to go Nvidia.
Good points. I'm getting some more Nvidia stock tomorrow actually. Even if the 20xx cards are overpriced, guess which company consumers will buy their graphics cards from? It's not AMD. My reasoning goes something along your lines. And I think DLSS will shock reviewers when the news gets out that it's an additional 50% performance increase, on top of the 35% that the 2080ti brings. Check out the video on DLSS that Digitalfoundry made. They have performance numbers/comparisons for each of the 20xx lineup.
2080 vs 1080ti: same performance for more money
2080ti vs 1080ti: 20-30% more performance for 80-100% more money.
And this is 2.5y later.
They may perform better, but they aren't a good release.
1080Ti released March 2017 the normal 1080 was released May 2016
The review I've been waiting for.
Guess im not upgrading from my 1080ti this generation
@greatest conundrum that shit can hold 9+ more years the hell???
@@Mia-qs1zi i normally upgrade every generation. I sell the cards on ebay before the new ones come out. End up only losing around 120 dollars.
What do you use as temporary video output?
greatest conundrum I’m going to hold out as well. Wait for what ever AMD drops after Navi and for what ever Nvidia counters with. I think intel may even have a card by then too.
Same here.
I'm sorry, but these cards are aimed at enthusiasts. Clearly 4k. However with RTX you should expect 1080 60fps. What purpose does your 4k monitor then serve?
5:30 vs 5:35
How could it perform better in 4K than in 1440p?
Who is watching HW Unboxed video first? 🙌
of course, what else :D?
Yep I start here and check out others later ;)
the benchmarking king first, always
I read article first, text is better when reading a bunch of numbers at my own pace.
Dimitrije Mirkovic same here haha
Looks like I'll be holding onto my 1080Ti for a few more years until things get truly compelling.
I`ll skip this gen.. 1080ti is enough :)
i agree espacially with the price drops
but what about tray racing?
Its nice to have, but i think these cards cant hit stable 60+fps with raytracing on :)
Unless you desperately what ray tracing the only card worth looking at is the 2080ti since the 2080 and 1080ti are roughly the same fps but the 1080ti is an easy $100 cheaper and i image they will drop more
totally agree. I packed myself with a gtx 1080ti with only a 1080p 144hz monitor and i plan to skip this gen and waiting for the response from AMD
How were you wrong exactly, nV claimed to have 2x or 1.5 2080 over 1080 and it was all proven to be bunch of bs as it seems
Embarrassingly I said the 2080 would be 15% faster than the 1080, oops.
Not impressed as all...gtx 2080 is more re expensive than 1080ti, but same or less performance
no competition AMD fastest card is performance of normal 1080. Nvidia holding cards performance back and focusing on ray tracing now next year you will see faster RTX card.
Jaggsta yeah ofc,
In Croatia 1080ti costs 1100$ to 1400$😂 and no i didn’t misspell that
GTX 2080 perform much better compare to 1080ti
Shah Legno look at the benchmark, they perform the same and in some occasions, 1080ti beats gtx 2080...also gtx 2080 is more expensive than gtx 1080ti
Feeling good about pulling the trigger on a brand new EVGA 1080 Ti for $629. Definitely didn't miss out on anything by not going with a 2080. This was the first RTX benchmark video I watched, thanks Steve!
SC Black? Just bought it along with a 165hz G sync monitor. Much better choice for me glad I didnt pre order
Ross Kluczinske that's a good card. I own the Asus 1080Ti and that thing doesn't overheats. Thinking about buying another one.
Josha Rancer I bought the SC2 edition. There was an awesome deal on B&H that I was able to get.
That Horror Show the Asus 1080ti looked awesome plus Gamers Nexus called it the best 1080ti out there. It was just a little bit out of my price range though. I got an excellent deal on my 1080ti so definitely no regrets.
@@rosskluczinske6998 what you mean out of price, the $749.00 I payed for it? I consider myself one of the lucky ones, because after I purchased it the thing skyrocket with the mining craze. I was very fortunate.
Meh. As expected rather poor performance unless you fork out $1200+ for the 2080ti. So for the vast majority of people the RTX series doesn't make sense to buy. A 1080ti is on par with the $200+ more expensive 2080 so that's definitely a waste of money.
Sometimes theres great gains , others not. Im also skipping this (i already have a 1080ti), but i think its crazy this expectation of awesome gains. The manufacturing cost for their GPUS has gone up dramatically over last gen to implement rtx. Aand yeah its not mature but it has to start somewhere. We all a little bit too entitled/spoilt.
The 2080 and 1080ti are the same price in Australia. It's still bullshit that we haven't seen any improvements to price per dollar though.
2080 is roughly 15% stronger than 1080ti, once it driver matures.
jeff knudsen, yeah sure. Call me when it happens.
JayJapanB In Europe the 2080 FE is 10-15% more expensive than a top of the line 1080ti partner card.
Great review as usual mate! :) Very unbiased and objective. You should give yourself a few days' break after your crazy schedule :)
I like the push of new tech for sure, very innovate. Though I'd probably wait for the 2nd gen of ray tracing cards before buying into it, as then there would be more software support. 2080 Ti performance is pretty good, though comes with the price I guess. I think I will wait either until the 3000 series, or until Navi comes out, based on the value they offer. If I were to get something right this second, I'd probably go for a 1080 Ti.
But yeah, I agree with you, not preordering and making an informed decision is, and always will be, the best course of action. No need to get caught in the hype machine and milked by some large corporations (whichever colour they represent) :)
vega 64 strix is £440(inc tax) in uk here. think ill buy that as I cant get a 1080ti for under 600£ new
I would love to see a top dog gpu battle of the 2080 Ti vs the Titan V. Not only in games but rendering, video editing, and more.
The Blue Bars have spoken!
Buy a GTX 1080ti
Guess that will have to do for another 2 years. Upgrading my 1060 to a 1080ti.
Used Evga 1080 ti's with 2/3s of the transferable 3 yr warranty are great prices right now in the US.
Am I the only one who isn't impressed?
Nothing worth spending a stack over.
If we ALL arent... we need to get a mental evaluation!!!!!!!!
So fucking depressing! No wonder they did not mention or show ANY info on fps etc on their 'Reveal'.
Literally no one is impressed?
So 2080 is performing slower than 1080ti and asking 100$ more , WTF..?. I feel bad for those peoples who preordered it.
more like $150-200 more you can get MSI Duke 1080ti for around $600 brand new on newegg.
No.. lol. They had it coming.. they fell in nVidias trap.. they had it coming! xD
:')
may be it is
better for other uses besides gaming
@@DanielFrost79 It just works! Lol
@@jaggsta or you buy a second hand. In Australia (where everything is more expensive), I just bought a used 1080Ti for 656 AUD. To put that in perspective, the 2080 is available here for 1199 AUD. (The Ti is 1899!!)
thanks Steve!
I want to see next 1080 & 1080ti overclocked vs 2080 & 2080ti overclocked
and SLI test to see if the new 80$ bridge changes anything
Did you use the founders edition of the 1080ti or a custom design? Thanks for the hard work, first channel to check out the new benchmarks as always!
So a used 1080ti is what we should buy
yup if can get for under $500
Evga cards have a 3 year user transferable warranty. If you get the serial number of a used card you are interested in buying you can look it up online or give them a call and they will look it up for you. They are super awesome people over there.
best channel for benchmarks tbh . but I don't get it, the 2080 performance is almost similar to the 1080ti, and the ti costs 100-150€ less. unless you are rly interested in the raytracing then this a bad upgrade from 1080ti, heck even the 1080 is still decent considering the price which is like 300-350€ less than the 2080 cards... Nvidia took an L with this one
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
Better than AMD no-show. In the end, this is shaping up to be a stop gap generation, before 7nm tech comes out next year.
Hope AMD 7nm will be better than this, because this is disaster.
it is 15% stronger, it just needs to driver mature :)
Hopefully after drivers mature it gets a lot better. I remember when everyone thought it was crazy to buy a GTX 1070 because the 980 ti performed simarlarly and was cheaper.
After a while the 1070 jumped way ahead and I'd wager the same will happen for the RTX cards. If only the price wasn't so insane.
In Australia, I can buy a brand new GTX 1080 Ti from eBay for $854.10 including shipping. An RTX 2080 which performs basically exactly the same has an MSRP of $1,199. And that's assuming these cards will actually be available at MSRP which most likely they won't. Best case scenario, an RTX 2080 is over 40% more expensive than a GTX 1080 Ti which performs the same and even has more VRAM (11 vs 8). I cannot think of a single reason other than ray tracing as to why anybody would buy the 2080 if the differences in pricing are similar across other places in the world. I guess this is what happens when there is no competition.
Currently on PLE, RTX 2080 selling for $1350 for Gigabyte Windforce, $1699 for Asus Strix. I fear to see what the RTX 2080ti's sell for. In comparison, last week I picked up a Strix OC GTX1080ti for $750 on Gumtree. The seller had preordered a 2080....
Even at MSRP which these cards certainly aren't selling for, they are still a terrible deal imo. Should be at least 15-20% better than a 1080 Ti. That's one hell of a deal btw haha, I managed to get a GTX 1070 G1 for $380 for the same reason.
The 2080 Ti is indeed impressive. But the 1080 Ti and 1070 are still fantastic performers for their used market price! Good video as always Steve
Nice dense review with everything we need to know. In your experience is it likely the performance gap between the GTX 2080 Ti and 1080 Ti will increase with driver maturity?
So nvidia pulled a Apple. OOF
Im curious to see how well it powers 3440x1440 ultrawide. Looks like it could be perfect. 35% increase over 1440p 16:9 but not as intense as 4k.
High resolution and high fps with 2080ti??
Looks like it. 2080ti is a beast. Im at 32" 16:9 1440p (i prefer that ratio) with a 1080ti, apart from having no GPU to fluently run 4k (til now) - the major thing stopping me going to 4k is scaling issues. Id push up the scaling to see fonts, then software not deisgned to run at different DPIs starts to screw up. When i had 1440p 27" a few years ago even some win7 windows were blurry , same with steam .They may have fixed things, but the myriad of programs i doubt have. the DPI of 24" 1080p (which happens to be exactly the same as 32" & 1440p) is the defacto standard. MS said it was a nightmare to solve as every piece of software has to be specifically written to be compatible.
*HOLY SHIT* Those Wolfenstein II Benchmarks!!! 😮🤩😍
The 2080ti seems directly aimed at the people who already bought the 4k 144hz monitors for $2,000 USD.
"Man! How many games have RTX already?"
Me: imgur.com/gallery/clzHm8w
PhysX 2018 edition.
At least PhysX worked.
This is what I said, and I had a BFG/Ageia PPU.
How did you get higher AVG FPS at 4K than at 1440p with 2080ti in GTA5??
Also will you show us 8700k vs 2700x benchmarks with the 2080ti?
Drivers are not in there final version and will be upgrades to them and don't forget dlss because in 6 months over 80% of games will have dlss,and in the video is very clear that drivers are bad in some games 4k results are better than 1440p
Isn't DLSS downscaling though? So I don't think it's fair to compare DLSS results to pure 4k results. Or pure 1440p results. Or any really.
CPU Bottleneck.
+Speceeh. And? It's no different than using MFAA. I use that shit whenever possible as it's boost performance by a shit ton while improving visuals at the same time. I play GTA V in 4K with 2x MSAA and average 70-80fps.
xZiddel But the performance wasn't identical, which is why I'm a bit confused. The performance should have stayed same or decrease when using higher resolution, not increase.
113 FPS avg @ 1440p
122 FPS avg @ 4k
judging by the cost perframe..i would say vega56 is the real winner if paired with 1080p/1440p 144hz monitor
I'd buy that card in a heart beat and pair it with my freesync monitor but the thing costs over 500 dollars! Maybe prices goes down!
@@wadebgd89 wait for a week or two..saw the best would be 469.99 in amazon lastnight
@Hardware Unboxed. Great review thank you very much. You and a few others have allowed everyone that keeps asking me to make a informed decision, and as far as purchasing a 20 series, there are to many RX 570's, 580's and GTX 1070's used for really cheap on ebay and other markets, so I ended up using the money for those and got all my friends early Christmas gifts.
Great review Steve. Please include the clocks for the 1080Ti in your review (the 30 game one). I would like to know if you were using an AIB 1080Ti which clocks high at stock, or a standard FE model. The RTX FE cards are also OC models so would be a good comparison between OC models of 1080Ti with the RTX FE cards.
Still, I think those cards are nice to look, but not buy. Performance is nice, but the price is not. At least for average joe.
I'm sticking to my 1050ti because I don't play AAA games on my PC
This really is AMD's golden opportunity too come in and take the market next year!
How? Nvidia is releasing their 7nm next year too.
Tuna_ won’t matter much if AMD can offer cheaper deals like always even with slight lesser performance similarly they did with Ryzen over intel while people are seriously pissed at Nvidia as they were at intel
Yeah pricing is everything and btw AMDs Navi is 7 nm as well and may even have HBM 3 memory which would be a game changer because its supposed to be cheaper if I remember right
All of the years of R&D brought us to Titan X Maxwell, and in a relatively short amount of time, we now have the 2080 Ti. The increase in performance is just mind boggling. I'm still in shock at the increase from a 980, to the 1080, and later 1080 Ti (I maintain a gaming LAN for Coop, and roll hardware down the line).
Thanks for your hard work bench-marking these new cards.
Really appreciate the price per frame and performance comparisons between Pascal and Turing.
gentle reminder: gtx1080ti is still available
only worth it if can get for under $500
So no difference from 2080 and 1080Ti?
No. welcome to the reality.
no difference till optimize the drivers in 1-2 years by that time 2080 will be $549 price drop.
uh will we need (2) 8 pin connections for the 2080?
There is a difference the rtx 2080 is shinnier and newer
2080 Ti SLI video coming??
Don't feel bad, Steve. I had exactly the same expectation: Nvidia not giving any relevant benchmarks + the emphasis on 'raytracing' and DLSS + no comments on any change in the architecture or software (improved performance with the same hardware)...it looked like they had something to hide. I did expect that Nvidia might try an optimisation like Rapid Packed Math, they kind of did that (two kind of instructions at the same time).
It is good that Nvidia pushes raytracing but of course it will be completely irrelevant for at least one more generation.
OMG these price points! This is what happens when there is no competition! Only reason I can see the 2080 priced this way is because theres a shit ton of Pascel inventory, but regardless the 2080 should have beaten the 1080 ti by a larger margin!
If you are going to steal our charts that we spend 2 days creating, you could have at least given credit or even linked our video.
Is this true Hardware Unboxed?
odam
That's why I subscribed to JayzTwoCents and not Hardware Unboxed ~
lazyness on making own charts 🤣🤣
Hey dont try to act too smart .... both of you have uploaded on the same day and in your video you have not even mentioned any of the 1% low frames ..... so get lost .... he has not copied you .... he has the cards himself
Yeah the 2080 Ti is the new Titan, plain and simple - and I can't wait to see this type of performance become affordable on 7nm next year. However I would argue there really is no point in buying any other RTX card.....yet. You see that Wolfenstein performance everyone? Nvidia is preparing to obsolete Pascal..... Tick...Tock...
its not they will release RTX Titan card in 6 months
wait for a TITAN at 1700
They will release 2 Titan cards XT and Xt and also a "non gaming" Titan W!
Did you buy a Vega 64, and think to yourself "Gee, I wish I would've bought this at the height of the mining crisis to get an even worse value"?
Well then good news, friends
This reminds me when 9 years ago SSD were hitting the market, they were small, not that super fast (current budget SSDs are 2-3 times faster) and incredibly expensive. The situation isn't as bad with RTX cards as it was with SSD's back then but still, unless you're an enthusiast to the point when cost doesn't matter you should stay away from those. I hope things will get better next gen.
All of you guys saying that he is crazy for being impressed in the performance jump "because the 980ti was ____ faster than ____" , did you ever consider the fact that for that past 4 generations 1080p was the max resolution? We are talking more than twice the amount of pixels, I'm sure if we looked at some 720p results in games that don't have a cap the card would actually be 50 percent faster... we even saw it being 50 percent faster in some titles at 4k!
Loved the video, honest and informative as always!
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RTX - Ridiculously Too Xpensive
Just buy it!
Nope
Have you watched the video at all? O_o It's totally the opposite. Those cards do not cost their price.
Дмитрий but Tom told me to just buy it.
catonpillow almost no one here detected the joke/sarcasm I see.
1080 Ti is a much better value purchase, especially with recent discounts you're essentially getting identical RTX 2080 performance with more VRAM for hundreds of dollars less.
You weren't THAT far off, you told me 25% sounded about right though you did say your 20% for the Ti might be a little low. 29% at 1440p for the 2080 is pretty close. ;) The Ti looks a better card for sure though.
The Ti even looks like a bargain compared to a titanV or if (like me) you paid nearly £1000 for a 1080ti!
My god the gpu market needs some competition to kill off these silly prices!
Great review. Only one criticism, and that's the constant comparison between the 1080 & 2080. Because of gargantuan price increase between the 10xx's & the 20xx's, that the actual comparison between this generation and last generation's high end Nvidia GPU's should be between the 1080 Ti vs 2080 and the Titan XP vs 2080 Ti. The future 2070 will be similar, coming in at a price point around last generations 1080.
The benchmark god has spoken!
Holy shit, the 2080ti is the Kratos of the graphics cards!
lol, best comment
no OC vs OC performance, no 1080p testing. why do you hate the 240hz master race?
Very informative review. I'd be really interested to see how the cards do in VR games too, since they're really demanding and generally don't support SLI.
IDTech 6 is a crazy impressive engine when it comes to performance. Seeing Wolfenstein 2 run at 170fps at 4k is amazing. The RTX must have some fantastic optimization for Vulkan performance.Wolfenstein 2 does run on Vulkan as it's default renderer.
Thanks Steve. Great effort as usual. You mentioned ray-tracing and the awaiting driver. Not sure if I caught a mention that you will run these two back through the mill when that becomes available so we can see how they perform regarding their true intention. Looking forward to it if/when you do.
30% improvement for double the cost of an 1080Tu :))) Excuse me, you were not wrong... Also the 2080 is 150 to 200$ more that a 1080Ti for the same performance...
The price of the 20 series is a joke, I can't believe people actually paid the ludicrous prices for these. It would have been a good normal launch if they charged $700 for the 2080 ti, $550 for the 2080, and reduced the 1080 ti to $500.
The cards show a decent improvement compared to the previous gen (for the same model), but Nvidia is charging a ludicrous premium for having the RTX technology. The problem is that Nvidia knows that having ray tracing enabled is going to destroy the performance of the cards and nobody is going to want to use it until at least one or two more generations. Because of this, Nvidia is probably not allowing game developers to enable ray tracing on launch because it will get bad reviews and they want to wait until enough people shell out a ton of money for this new technology so they can be disappointed later. The cards are good at rasterisation, but that increase in performance alone is not worth the massive increase in price.
I think ray tracing will be a great technology and make games look much better, but I just don't think the performance will be there in the first gen of GPUs. I think most people will opt to turn the features off and play at higher resolutions and frame rates.
I also think Nvidia chose to launch these cards at such a ridiculously high price because they have a massive overstock of 10 series cards because they made too many on the hopes that they would sell to miners, but that fell through. They need to sell off the rest of the 10 series and don't want to make these cards competitive or else they will have to reduce the price of the 10 series or nobody would buy them.
Great review ... but please also overclock your 1080ti and 1080 while doing next test... not that it will change anything but it gives more view about fps to people better than imagining
Another well done review. Eagerly awaiting your future uploads on the RTX cards..