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Can we say that right now we can test only 60% of the 2080 and 2080ti ? We can't test the ~400+ tensor cores that are gonna be used for AI AA, and we can't test "RTX ON" performance against the 10 series too. So the cards seem extremely expensive when only 2/3 of the cores/features are used. Also GDDR6 bumps the price even more, like any other new DDR/GDDR comes out.
I was hoping the 2080 would be 30% better than the 1080TI and the 2080Ti to be in a whole other monster. 1200.00. Yikes. Would rather just put that towards some other luxury item.
and then bunch of games comes with dlss and everyone who passed on it will be left red faced. Happened to me when i listened to certain influencers who said ddr speed dont matter. They clearly do so not buying bullshit this time around.
Steve help me math..... Didn't Nvidia say this is the largest generation performance jump in a while? However, in the pascal vs maxwell edition didn't the 1070 match or exceed the 980 ti performance. Not looking so good for the 2070 from this data alone....
2070 is either going to be on par with the 1070ti/1080 fiasco and be basically the same card as the 2080 or it's going to be a damn near worthless card when you can get a 1080 for cheaper and get the same or better performance.
Yeah. I don't think the pricing is going to hold up long unless they drop a driver update that increases the cost to performance ratio. I guess there's still ray tracing, but until enough games adopt it, nobody is going to want to pay for it.
Are you guying a RTX? Serious question. I'm on 980ti and waited until this gen....but after all thats happened I'm torn. 1080ti, 2080ti. I def need an upgrade for VR. I game on a 2K ultrawide and Oculus.
Better to sell a 1080ti now and upgrade to lose less money. I got over 400 from a mate but could have gotten more from someone else. That made the 2080ti the same price as my 1080ti roughly. Lost .ore on cards in the past.
@@DD-sw1dd I have a 1080 ti. Every frame counts in VR hence I've sold mine and have a 2080ti on the way. Ok it's not a huge jump but I got good enough coin from my 1080ti that the 2080ti cost me about the same. (Obviously I have lost money but that's the nature of tech) with VR and particularly the next set of headsets coming such as pimax 8k 5k+ etc... You need all the possible hp you can get until they start using foveated rendering etc... Dropped frames ruin the experience at times
The pricing scheme is rigged for Nvidia to sell the rest of their last gen overrun supply of 10 series cards. Im suprised to not see anyone acknowledge this.
Remember when a GPU didn't cost the entire price of what used to be considered a high end PC. Remember how a $1200 dollar PC would actually get you the top of the line GPU?
We still don't know how much the tensor cores will help with AI AA, and we still don't know how much RTX will benefit. Keep in mind that right now no one can test the full potential of the card. So here you see only ~60% of the full performance when you enabled the features Also keep in mind that you paid for the extra cores that you can't use yet. Other brands also don't have custom PCBs yet so you have to wait!! So ye.
But what we do know is that by the time those features are well implemented into games, a year or two, the next generation of video cards will be available.
@@CoderMonkeyNathan Cool. Too bad less than half the price is still *$1300 dollars.* As if the Titan V was a valuable consumer's option for gamers to begin with.
Ascendor, I speak english and FYI a single 1080 ti ftw3 is enough for me for now but 1080 ti sli looks much more worthwhile since they go for around £500 now.
Lol, People bash SLI all the time - funny thing is we accept the fact it doesn't work in some titles, but in most titles it's support it does excellently.
Brother Ares the 2080ti is an enthusiast card. Enthusiasts don’t give a shit about performance value they care about bleeding edge tech and the highest performance possible, fuck the cost. If you aren’t playing on a 4K 144hz monitor, this card wasn’t meant for you. For those that do. It’s better than a titan V. Also, I know plenty of gamers who own 3 monitors or the x27, including myself. Gamers only spend 350 on a gpu? Hah. I guess most gamers who are still in school maybe. Nvidia and Intel make high performance products for a niche market, just because YOU aren’t the target doesn’t mean that market doesn’t exist.
Let's say that with a 1080 Ti you game at 4k 60fps. Let's also say, that in a years time the drivers improve to the point that you consistently get 35% more performance from 2080 Ti compared to 1080 Ti. And because we're already saying so much stuff, let's on top of that say that once DLSS gets up and running it will give you additional 40% performance for perceivably the same resolution. Overall that would give you a 1.35 x 1.40 = 1,89 times the performance. If all of this admittedly wishful thinking were to come true you would be awfully close to 2x improvement and with some graphical options tweaking be able to play at (faux) 4k 120 fps. Not bad. One can dream.
V. P. More fps of course. A 1080Ti falls a fair amount short of 1440p 144Hz in most games, often in the 80-110 fps range, and can sometimes struggle to do 4K 60fps. Let alone try to power the new 4K 144Hz monitors. We need something more powerful.
You could just overclock and turn some settings down, ultra settings usually give diminishing returns. Remember those 144Hz monitors are for competitive gamers who turn down all the settings for better visibility and frame rates anyway. 4K 60 though could make a bit more sense where frame rate drops under 60 would be really noticeable but I don't know how good G-Sync is with that stuff. The 1080Ti is still a beast and hits over 100 fps with most games and RTX isn't even a thing yet so the best thing would be to wait and see if you have a 1080Ti.
@@ags911 Overclocking doesn't do much with Pascal. Tried overclocking my 1080Ti the other day and it crashed at +70 core. Probably could do to lower settings more often, but I play single player 95% of the time and would rather have the eye candy. You're right though it's plenty strong, and 80-110 fps in enough more me. Would be nice to hit the 144fps cap though since I don't have Gsync.
alamrisa pfff Xbox - it actually runs most of what he plays ok. My computer has an ryzen 1700 and an rx 580 so anything that needs a bit of umpf is played on that.
First crypto-mining and RAM prices convinced me that an Xbox X was a good purchase (it is, even if you just want to play Halo in 4K), and now RTX has convinced me that a new Samsung TV would be worthwhile. The 2018 QLED line added low latency interpolation to get a 4K120hz output off of 4K60, something that is still going to be impossible on PC for the foreseeable future. So if I want to look at a crisp native 4K image running 120fps, I actually need to get a TV. And Samsung is showing off AI upscaling with their new 8K TVs, hopefully that gets added to 4K QLED next year.
Not to mention Xbox has Freesync now. If AI Upscaling can be combined with 120hz interpolation, it is conceivably possible that Xbox+Samsung could even be competitive with DLSS. But hopefully AMD just comes out with a kick ass Navi GPU next year and I'll be running 4K120 natively on my PC "Fingers Crossed".
In Canada, it is $1599 for a brand new 2080 Ti. A 1080 Ti here is anywhere from $750-$800 used (they are $900-$1000 new). So that $1599 2080 Ti is now $799. I'll get the 2080 Ti, get up to 40% more perf and no bad SLI scaling and microstutters. Thanks.
Wait what! Nvidia restricted overclocking heavily with the 2000 series! LOL, I am 100% sure I read a statement from Nvidia that the 2000 series is made for overclockers
Last gen, Nvidia cards were unaffordable. This gen, they are a luxury of the ruling elite. Who else can spend over $1,000 on a single PC component? Nvidia could care less about the average gamer anymore. They just cater to miners and top end enthusiasts exclusively. Sorry guys, I tried to stay an Nvidia customer, but the sad truth is we are officially dead to Nvidia. That is of course until you save up over $1000... for a single PC component. That is some disgusting price gouging on Nvidia's part. I'm done. So long Nvidia. I hope AMD comes from behind and steam rolls you. They did it to intel. You're next. You deserve it.
RTX 2080 TI performance is BIG disappointment… I bought 5K VR headset (PIMAX 5K+) and review benchmarks are showing 1080TI hardly hitting 45 fps with only 60 % SS enabled in Elite dangerous. I was hoping RTX 2080 TI would be able to achieve at least 60 fps with 100 % SS. 60 fps and 60 % SS is all I can hope now, maybe not even that. No second generation VR headsets on horizon with such lousy GPU advances. Shame, real shame :( And pricing... 1.200-1.300€ in EU (1.400-1.500$) for 25-30 % more performance OMG, have they lost their minds?
This makes me happy that I picked up a 1080 almost on launch. Perfect for my 1600p monitor. I was worried these cards might be too tempting. Happy to wait until 7nm and buy a nice 4k monitor.
See that little reflection flickering on that 2080Ti every time Steve touches the table? Realistically, that's about as much RTX as I'm expecting to see actually implemented in any game for another three generations. I'll stick with my 970 for now, thanks.
To be absolutely honest, there are some compromises to be made. I mostly play on custom, like having my draw distance cranked up to the max, high texture quality if feasible, and everything else comes after that. My New Vegas is doing almost constant 100fps in 3440x1440 and that's what I care about. I find that even modern games don't quite use all the vram, strangely enough the only game I've ever had to max out this gpu's 3,5gb was the first Mass Effect with 4k textures mod. It's not the best card out there, it's starting to get old, but they've still not given me a reason to upgrade.
Watching this in my lovely limited edition teardown shirt that customs finally released to me today, yay! I love the added details you're providing in this review, like which game engine is in use for each game and the sample gameplay for each title. Very slick! The charts look better than ever too, and I particularly like that you're displaying the test setup on each slide. Makes it way easier to get the full picture if viewed in isolation. Overall: crisp 4K video, better sound than we've been used to, good lighting, lovely cat. New office is working out for you, clearly. :) Totally looking forwards to the Hybrid version of the Ti card!
So... in conclusion, nvidia gives us marginal gains with a steep price increase, and then, they stop releasing new driver updates for the older 10 series, making the new 20 series really shine with future titles, thus forcing everyone into adopting the new hardware. That is providing we manage to sell a liver or two in order to pay for it, of course. Apple any one? It's good for your health, but very bad for your wallet.
The gains are so minimal between generations. If Nvidia actually did what they have historically done and lowered the price to be more competitive than the last generation. If they put them out for the same or slightly lesser price than Pascal they would have had a much warmer reception. But no, greed and stupidity instead. The people who have bought already are sheep. 6-10 months from now and I'll be ROFL at them. Pricing will crash and then AMD will bring something to ensure the price crash and then Nvidia will announce 7nm and then give you the cards you wanted this time then . Lol. Cant wait to be proven right!!!
Thanks for steering me clear of a blatant ripoff. Nvidia must have us confused with Apple fanatics. Expecting yearly lackluster perf upgrades at price gouged costs.
Just bought 2 used 1080ti's on Ebay for under $1100. Even with SLI dying, it's a better value to buy 2 of these for the games I play, than going for a single 2080ti.
so why would I upgrade from a 1080ti to a 2080ti? I paid $800 for an msi gaming x trio, can sell it for between 6-675? then buy a 2080ti for $1200??? LOL is this a joke? because unless the 2080ti doubles my performance (spoiler alert: its doesn't) the numbers dont add up Nvidia....
Thanks again for another great review. One question though, ff the Turing architecture is very similar to Volta why isn't anyone doing a benchmark in relation to the Titan V? Doing a comparison on hardware specifications may put the pricing and performance into better context. Yes Turing (especially the founders edition which, unlike GTX FE cards, come factory overclocked by Nvidia based on their own website so not really "reference/base" cards" that the AIB partners will be selling), is more expensive than Pascal, but Turing is also stacked in much the same way as the Volta cards. So not sure people reducing things down to the price per frame is exactly an apples to apples comparison and takes away from the other stuff on the Turing cards not found on Pascal. Honestly believe, Turing is at the limit of what is practical and affordable at consumer grade because it is not just about the GPUs but the monitors they are pushing. Doubt many gamers can afford or are willing to shell out $2000 for a 4K 120hz monitor let alone 8K? Raw fps performance beyond the GTX1080ti is pointless for the vast majority of gamers so why were we expecting the RTX 2080 to be leaps and bounds ahead of the GTX 1080ti which was the first consumer grade 4K@60fps high to ultra graphics detail card? Nvidia's market consumer relations, and product differentiation is probably the main problem here along with gamers' expectations.
I've been enjoying my 1080 Ti Strix OC for over 7 months... before miners made them cost absurd money. With the release of these weak RTX cards, it makes me feel I won the lottery. Enjoying the same performance available today for over seven months and continuing all the way until 7nm nVidia cards come.
This is a sad performance increase. It literally feels like a pascal refresh with RT slapped on it to justify price. To make things worse 1080ti has 11GB of VRAM -> 2080 has 8GB. So it's actually a downgrade.
It's sort of a upgraded pascal gpu on one side. Then your getting the tensor core gpu on the other. I don't know what people were expecting. This card in rendering benchmarks beat out the Titan V. At half the cost. That's why they are expensive. For that alone, it's a steal. For gaming your gonna feel ripped off a bit. Because it's only 20%-30% better. It's still an upgrade though . But that's up to the person. If you want new tech your gonna pay.
How the hell is it a pascal refresh?! Geez you people really want to hate even if the charts literally show a significant performance increase. What is this? AMD bots?!?!
@@romxxii, yeah, I don't get it. It's 20%-30% at the moment better than a 1080ti. I don't think they realize your getting that, plus the rtx and dlss with the tensor cores. I don't know why everyone was expecting a huge leap with implementing rtx. I think these people bashing it don't understand how big real time Ray tracing is. If they did 3d rendering, I think they would understand a bit better. They see the price for just normal gaming. And this tech is the start of changing how games will be made. Games could be easier on the hardware and run better, using this tech, but we will see. Only one driver so far. And devs haven't really dived into this new tech for games at all. I think it's a little premature to bash this gpu. All because it's not 35%-45% better than a 1080ti at the standard way of gaming.
In the next year, i would probably only play maybe two games with RTX features on. That would be DLSS and not raytracing because of the slower performance. Ill wait and buy a cheaper and/or faster card in a year or two, most people will probably do the same.
I'm going to get a 2080 Ti BUT only because I have a 4k monitor that I currently can't power with my Jerry rigged mini-itx 1080 pulled from an eGPU (I can't even close my case right now because I have to mount it weird with a riser cable) and I don't want to be riding the fence of 60 fps or lower with a 1080 Ti or 2080. For the first time in a while I have plenty of disposable income so fug it. I'ma get it.
My theory the rtx 2080 should have been a rtx 2070 that is why the performance is very similar to a 1080 ti in most cases the gap between the rtx 2080 and 1080 ti should have been bigger. It would explain too why the rtx 2070 has no nvlink because it should have been a rtx 2060 midrange card but since I'm no engineer or computer scientist I guess I'm wrong but it made me think about this why performance is so similar with these two cards haha .
The thing is, prices never used to follow the performance level, the new cards should have been launching at a price similar to the old cards that they outperformed, now everything is just equal value, with the high end being ridiculously expensive.
Gonna upgrade my 1080 to 2080 Ti. In Canada it's either $1,000 for a 1080Ti or $1,600 for a 2080 Ti. I have the money and I would like to see support for RT and DLSS one day (which will help justify RTX over a 10 series). But not everyone is gonna be in the same boat as me.
Agreed. A move up from the 1080 or lower right to the 2080Ti is worthwhile if you can afford it. As Steve concluded you are getting something for your hard earned (or ill-gotten, my lips are sealed 😜) dollars. At that price point, your enjoyment is the consideration and not the value. I was hoping the 2080 would be a better proposition for me personally. Looks like a used 10i80Ti for me.
Liar... 1080 ti in Canada is currently $899 + tax which amount to close to $1000. The 2080 ti is 1699 + 0.12% tax (where I am from) and is $1850 after tax. That's 45% price hike for a 15-20% 1440p-4k 15-30% res performance bump up. Are you kidding me? Not even worth it
Ray Tracing + DLSS is still an x-factor at the moment too. Plus improved drivers. But if you check BitWit's benchmarks they're getting 77% performance increase over the 1080 at 4k and 36% over a 1080Ti at 4k. I'm willing to gamble on DLSS. It's fine if others arn't though. media.discordapp.net/attachments/301529672527642636/492120568460738587/unknown.png?width=776&height=437
Interesting review..i can buy it now but mehhh, freesync is always ftw and vega56 with that 1080p144 is a charm from my current gtx1060..not a sane man to sacrifice half a month's salary just to buy a freaking card which will be obsolete within 6-9months time
Just as a shout out y'all did great on the new set. It was really exciting to see the whole process of moving to the new studio. Congrats you guys! Always great, informative work. It shows the full story and I appreciate your transparent and honest reviews.
I'm really suspicious of real time raytracing implementations now. For me, framerate is king: I always turn of HairWorks and shit like that because I want to run at 120hz. If RTX is similar (nice reflections at the cost of 20fps) I will never enable it unless the game has tons of headroom.
I find it amazing that all gamers care about these days is fps. I love that they're focusing on making the games look better, not just stuffing in more transistors to get an unnecessarily high fps. Better antialiasing, better lighting, better reflections, and better fps to boot. People are butthurt because they can't afford the latest and best, as if they're entitled to it. Fucking ridiculous.
uhh but that is exactly what nvidia is doing...2080 ti has 8 billion more transistors than last gen and i only see true nvidia fanboys getting butthurt, mainly because there are no RT games available. i think the entire rage is about 2 things: Performance/$ and PR Holocaust with RT...the only thing nvidia made right now is giving amd almost an entire year to develop their engine to compete with these cards which is a good thing in the end since more competition = lower prices
When RTX-enabled games come out, we can discuss how much the image quality is improved (and how much it affects FPS). Until then, though, these cards seem to be a bit more of the same for a lot more of the $$. Personally, I’m not in the market for a new GPU right now, but if I were I’d wait to see what kind of impact RTX has when games that use it become available.
If they only cared about fps like they say they do, you wouldn't have the same best sellers year after year that push graphical quality. If for some reason, they manage to delay ray-tracing and deep learning tech by calling it a gimmick, then games will literally look the same for the next decade.
+Ze Rubenator McLaren doesn't control the car market and keep helping roads becoming harder to drive through so that people are forced to buy P1s every few years.
I'm curious how AIB partner cards will perform. Also, lots of people seem to be getting the prices wrong. The FE(AIB equivalent) is $1200, but the reference card is $999.
You just have to hope, that FreeSync will be enough in terms of visuals and performance. If 45FPS High to Ultra settings on a FreeSync screen does the trick. And lead to a fluid gameplay experience. nGreedia can fck right off!
so it's nvida's fault that AMD is not being competitive? And from what i seen, NVIDIA is doing well. It was unheard of to have ray tracing in game. It used to take 10 min per frame
Great work GN!!! BTW, do you guys have plans to test the new NV link for the 2080 and 2080ti? I'm interested to see how it compares to traditional SLI setup.
Dude, please try an 2080 and 2080 Ti NVLink setup vs the 1080 and 1080 Ti SLi setup you will be utterly amazed, the NVLink is more efficient when it comes to data transfer
Nvidia used to price its GPUs based on relative performance increases...so from 1080 to 1080ti, there's generally about a 30-40% FPS increase, and they priced the 1080ti exactly 40% higher than the 1080; a predictable and rational strategy...HOWEVER, with the 2080ti, they've gone completely Apple -- roughly 30-40% FPS increase from the 1080ti, but priced 60% higher -- a hefty premium for those unused ray tracing cores...
Would be nice to see some benchmarks aimed at the people who actually have the potential to buy the cards - architectural visualization, mining, rendering, simulation, etc. The reason these cards exist in the first place.
Currently using a GTX 760, and I was seriously considering going with a 2080 or 2070 until today. The performance per dollar ratio is a JOKE and there is zero chance of ever seeing these at "MSRP" because of nVidia's schemes. ...I know, I know. They are a company; their goal is to make money and if I don't like what they make, don't buy it. Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Don't be a sucker.
Meh, I get 60fps in Star Citizen @ 4k highest settings using two 1080’s (non-ti) in SLI. I’ll be good for a while. Single 2080 ti might be a bit better, but it’s costs as much as my 1080’s did over 2 years ago. If the prices were closer to $800 each, we’d talk, but not at $1200+, F that.
No! Just NO Nvidia... Keep your overpriced shit... I hope noone buys this generation...otherwise they never learn it. Deep learing of mucking around your community... Nvida
What's the point spending 20 minutes looking at how the Nvidia RTX 2080 TI FE compares to GTX 1080 and lower cards? The whole point should be to see how it fares against other higher end RTX 2080 Ti cards. The appealing form factor with only 2 slots of the FE makes it interesting.
It would be nice if your bias against these cards wasn't so obvious throughout this review, it really doesn't need to be there. You basically admit that the marketing for these cards tinted your views and then proceed to basically do another review on the 2080 and how it isn't very much faster than the 1080ti while occasionally mentioning the 2080ti. In every benchmark slide you make sure to highlight the 2080 vs the 1080ti. When the Rtx does something good you must immediately follow it up with something to bring it back down. Your negative tone throughout was highly distracting. The price to performance ratio and the recommendation not to buy has it's place but at least mention the future potential of 2/3rds of the card which is non-utilized, (ray trace and tensor cores).
I am gonna wait for the next generation,... got a 1440p 150-160hz display, and the 20series,... cant garantee me in all the games the max fps,... also got a ryzen system and gonna upgrade later in 2020 or something like that to the best performing ryzen cpu,... and hopefilly have finally a pc that offers me all the good frames and graphical eyecandies. I guess the 1080 non TI will do for the next two years.... sadly,.. i hoped theese cards offer a bit more performance,...
In the same boat. If AMD can get their shit together they might bring the price down on these cards. If they actually release a card with 1080 performance at $200 like they claimed. Hopes and dreams.
Even if its "only" 1070 performance for 200 it will put a lot of pressure on nvidia. And if they dont..well. still a win for everyone on a smaller budget.
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nice review, although at 10:00 there seems to be a mistake for the 1% lows of the stock 2080 Ti FE lol
So when's the NV-LINK test?
Can we say that right now we can test only 60% of the 2080 and 2080ti ? We can't test the ~400+ tensor cores that are gonna be used for AI AA, and we can't test "RTX ON" performance against the 10 series too. So the cards seem extremely expensive when only 2/3 of the cores/features are used. Also GDDR6 bumps the price even more, like any other new DDR/GDDR comes out.
Was Snowflake playing with tweezers?
No Vulkan benchmark? Wolfenstein II ?
TFW the comment section is more excited for a cute kitty than a brand new graphics card.
Because snowflake is a bosss
Only generation in the last eight that I'll be skipping. SNOWFLAKE FTW
What if it's a raytraced GGI kitty.
@@MauroTamm then it would have been the best utilization of rtx raytracing to date
MunkeyChips well, cats rule all
You know if you tried to sell Snowflake plushies, I bet they'd sell like crazy.
11/10 would buy
They would most likely be sold out permanently :P
With a small bag of authentic Snowflake cat fur to apply to your power supply intake
or snowflake shirts
..as if my PS hadn't eaten its fair share of cat fur already!
SNOWFLAKE 🐱🐱🐱
yay, snowflake
RTX Snowflake?
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playing with "tweezers"
If snowflake likes it, I'll just buy it
Love to see Snowflake helping out.
Yay, Snowflake!
Not quite the generational leap I had hoped for. Oh well, see you in a couple of years I guess.
I was hoping the 2080 would be 30% better than the 1080TI and the 2080Ti to be in a whole other monster. 1200.00. Yikes. Would rather just put that towards some other luxury item.
yeah think ill be back for 2280Ti or 4080Ti whatever they call it
@@MarshMellowChronic 2180ti
and then bunch of games comes with dlss and everyone who passed on it will be left red faced. Happened to me when i listened to certain influencers who said ddr speed dont matter. They clearly do so not buying bullshit this time around.
@@KunaiKrazy you dont have money anyways
Nobody cares about the card, we care about Snowflake
fuck the Cat.lol
Steve help me math..... Didn't Nvidia say this is the largest generation performance jump in a while? However, in the pascal vs maxwell edition didn't the 1070 match or exceed the 980 ti performance. Not looking so good for the 2070 from this data alone....
Am I missing something lol?
Josh You forgot to count the GigaRays™
@@nathanl3427 I was looking for em' And I haven't seen any yet .... maybe we are doing it wrong....lol
Josh your not doing it wrong because it just works.
2070 is either going to be on par with the 1070ti/1080 fiasco and be basically the same card as the 2080 or it's going to be a damn near worthless card when you can get a 1080 for cheaper and get the same or better performance.
I am more excited for Snowflake's appearance than i am of RTX
Watched. Enjoyed. Learned what I wanted to know. Can't ask for more than that. Thanks.
I was really considering the upgrade from a 1080 ti until today. This is hugely disappointing from a value standpoint.
Yeah. I don't think the pricing is going to hold up long unless they drop a driver update that increases the cost to performance ratio.
I guess there's still ray tracing, but until enough games adopt it, nobody is going to want to pay for it.
Drew Williams I’d stick to a 1080ti if I owned one. I myself am upgrading from a 1070 because the 2080ti is over twice as fast as it.
Are you guying a RTX? Serious question. I'm on 980ti and waited until this gen....but after all thats happened I'm torn. 1080ti, 2080ti. I def need an upgrade for VR. I game on a 2K ultrawide and Oculus.
Better to sell a 1080ti now and upgrade to lose less money. I got over 400 from a mate but could have gotten more from someone else. That made the 2080ti the same price as my 1080ti roughly. Lost .ore on cards in the past.
@@DD-sw1dd I have a 1080 ti. Every frame counts in VR hence I've sold mine and have a 2080ti on the way. Ok it's not a huge jump but I got good enough coin from my 1080ti that the 2080ti cost me about the same. (Obviously I have lost money but that's the nature of tech) with VR and particularly the next set of headsets coming such as pimax 8k 5k+ etc... You need all the possible hp you can get until they start using foveated rendering etc... Dropped frames ruin the experience at times
The pricing scheme is rigged for Nvidia to sell the rest of their last gen overrun supply of 10 series cards. Im suprised to not see anyone acknowledge this.
Ha ha! I paid $1200 for my car and it has excellent cooling.
I paid 580€ for my 50cc scooter (used) and that f*cking thing even has water cooling.
Remember when a GPU didn't cost the entire price of what used to be considered a high end PC. Remember how a $1200 dollar PC would actually get you the top of the line GPU?
Yeah, that was only a few years ago.
Gtx 980 era
siii... yep
Welcome to 2021 lol
$1200 rip-off
More like $1400 if you want "COOL" versions
We still don't know how much the tensor cores will help with AI AA, and we still don't know how much RTX will benefit.
Keep in mind that right now no one can test the full potential of the card.
So here you see only ~60% of the full performance when you enabled the features
Also keep in mind that you paid for the extra cores that you can't use yet. Other brands also don't have custom PCBs yet so you have to wait!!
So ye.
But what we do know is that by the time those features are well implemented into games, a year or two, the next generation of video cards will be available.
meh not really if going from 980 or even 1070
$1200 is cheap for Americans. Here in my country, we're paying as if it costs $6000.
*My disappointment is immeasurable*
And my day has been ruined.
@@steem6703 but how much of your day do you want to spend without *RAYTRACING* *?!?!?!?!*
Lol, if you didn't see this coming man.. Why do you think Nvidia didn't post any performance? The whole shit was about the new stuff.
2080Ti more power than the $3k Titan V for less than half the price.
@@CoderMonkeyNathan Cool. Too bad less than half the price is still *$1300 dollars.* As if the Titan V was a valuable consumer's option for gamers to begin with.
Price: x2 1080ti
Performance: 1080 ti + 30%
Yeah I'll take a second 1080 ti.
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Ascendor, I speak english and FYI a single 1080 ti ftw3 is enough for me for now but 1080 ti sli looks much more worthwhile since they go for around £500 now.
Better to have in case some fellow enthusiast asks you: "do you even SLI?!"
Lol, People bash SLI all the time - funny thing is we accept the fact it doesn't work in some titles, but in most titles it's support it does excellently.
Ascendor81
>implying that raytracing, a new feature which won't be widely adapted just like PhysX, is necessary
I like the disclaimer at the end "something like this shirt that I'm wearing but not literally this one" lmao
So glad to see nvidia giving AMD a chance
i dont think amd will never come back to the high end, they have been left hanging for the longest there....
Our only hope is perhaps maybe Intel.
"i dont think amd will never come back to the high end"
Due to RTX, the 1080 is now "High End" again. Navi can absolutely smash that.
Bwaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!!!! Good one!! 9/10 Troll!!
@@Trainwheel_Time
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where is the claimed 2x performance? even 1.5x isnt even close..
Maybe the meant x2 the price lol
@S G "At least its not as overpriced as another overpriced card".
MSAA is still shit.
Brother Ares the 2080ti is an enthusiast card. Enthusiasts don’t give a shit about performance value they care about bleeding edge tech and the highest performance possible, fuck the cost. If you aren’t playing on a 4K 144hz monitor, this card wasn’t meant for you. For those that do. It’s better than a titan V. Also, I know plenty of gamers who own 3 monitors or the x27, including myself. Gamers only spend 350 on a gpu? Hah. I guess most gamers who are still in school maybe. Nvidia and Intel make high performance products for a niche market, just because YOU aren’t the target doesn’t mean that market doesn’t exist.
Let's say that with a 1080 Ti you game at 4k 60fps. Let's also say, that in a years time the drivers improve to the point that you consistently get 35% more performance from 2080 Ti compared to 1080 Ti. And because we're already saying so much stuff, let's on top of that say that once DLSS gets up and running it will give you additional 40% performance for perceivably the same resolution.
Overall that would give you a 1.35 x 1.40 = 1,89 times the performance. If all of this admittedly wishful thinking were to come true you would be awfully close to 2x improvement and with some graphical options tweaking be able to play at (faux) 4k 120 fps. Not bad. One can dream.
Thanks for the review. I'll stay with the 1080ti till the next gen.
If you already have 1080ti why would you even need an upgrade so soon? Are you doing some AI or heavy rendering stuff?
V. P. More fps of course. A 1080Ti falls a fair amount short of 1440p 144Hz in most games, often in the 80-110 fps range, and can sometimes struggle to do 4K 60fps. Let alone try to power the new 4K 144Hz monitors. We need something more powerful.
You could just overclock and turn some settings down, ultra settings usually give diminishing returns. Remember those 144Hz monitors are for competitive gamers who turn down all the settings for better visibility and frame rates anyway. 4K 60 though could make a bit more sense where frame rate drops under 60 would be really noticeable but I don't know how good G-Sync is with that stuff. The 1080Ti is still a beast and hits over 100 fps with most games and RTX isn't even a thing yet so the best thing would be to wait and see if you have a 1080Ti.
@@ags911 Overclocking doesn't do much with Pascal. Tried overclocking my 1080Ti the other day and it crashed at +70 core. Probably could do to lower settings more often, but I play single player 95% of the time and would rather have the eye candy. You're right though it's plenty strong, and 80-110 fps in enough more me. Would be nice to hit the 144fps cap though since I don't have Gsync.
This age great
lolll the review for 2080 should just be a 10sec video saying buy a 1080ti......
Just cancel my pre order
I'm still rocking an R7 250x in my kids fx 6300 build. Cost of cards is just too much.
MTB Scotland might as well play on xbox
alamrisa pfff Xbox - it actually runs most of what he plays ok. My computer has an ryzen 1700 and an rx 580 so anything that needs a bit of umpf is played on that.
First crypto-mining and RAM prices convinced me that an Xbox X was a good purchase (it is, even if you just want to play Halo in 4K), and now RTX has convinced me that a new Samsung TV would be worthwhile. The 2018 QLED line added low latency interpolation to get a 4K120hz output off of 4K60, something that is still going to be impossible on PC for the foreseeable future. So if I want to look at a crisp native 4K image running 120fps, I actually need to get a TV.
And Samsung is showing off AI upscaling with their new 8K TVs, hopefully that gets added to 4K QLED next year.
Not to mention Xbox has Freesync now.
If AI Upscaling can be combined with 120hz interpolation, it is conceivably possible that Xbox+Samsung could even be competitive with DLSS.
But hopefully AMD just comes out with a kick ass Navi GPU next year and I'll be running 4K120 natively on my PC "Fingers Crossed".
It's ironic that it's gonna be consoles indirectly saving PC gaming. I retract all of my console peasant comments.
conclusion: if you already own a 1080 ti and you want the best performance, just get another 1080 ti
Exactly, I got a 1080 ti ftw3 doing well I may just go sli when I got the cash
OR sell your 1080 Ti and upgrade to a 2080 Ti. And don't deal with bad SLI scaling
+Racerprose This guy LOL, 2080Ti is $1200 while the 1080Ti brand new is $700, many used are $450 to $550.
actually You are sli scaling is bad so buying an other 1080ti is not worth it no wonder why nvidia ditched the sli and used nvlink for the 2080ti
In Canada, it is $1599 for a brand new 2080 Ti. A 1080 Ti here is anywhere from $750-$800 used (they are $900-$1000 new). So that $1599 2080 Ti is now $799. I'll get the 2080 Ti, get up to 40% more perf and no bad SLI scaling and microstutters. Thanks.
Wait what! Nvidia restricted overclocking heavily with the 2000 series! LOL, I am 100% sure I read a statement from Nvidia that the 2000 series is made for overclockers
Good on you for not using FE 1080 ti.
Last gen, Nvidia cards were unaffordable. This gen, they are a luxury of the ruling elite.
Who else can spend over $1,000 on a single PC component?
Nvidia could care less about the average gamer anymore. They just cater to miners and top end enthusiasts exclusively.
Sorry guys, I tried to stay an Nvidia customer, but the sad truth is we are officially dead to Nvidia. That is of course until you save up over $1000... for a single PC component. That is some disgusting price gouging on Nvidia's part. I'm done.
So long Nvidia. I hope AMD comes from behind and steam rolls you. They did it to intel.
You're next.
You deserve it.
Hello from the future. RX 6000 did it to them.
So the 2080 Ti is basically what the 2080 should be... with a Titan price tag. Anyone who doesn't think this is monopolistic behavior is blind.
Vote with your money - DON'T BUY this garbage.
Emphasis on "before teardown" all testing was completed! Ty for analysis GN team
RTX 2080 TI performance is BIG disappointment… I bought 5K VR headset (PIMAX 5K+) and review benchmarks are showing 1080TI hardly hitting 45 fps with only 60 % SS enabled in Elite dangerous. I was hoping RTX 2080 TI would be able to achieve at least 60 fps with 100 % SS. 60 fps and 60 % SS is all I can hope now, maybe not even that. No second generation VR headsets on horizon with such lousy GPU advances. Shame, real shame :(
And pricing... 1.200-1.300€ in EU (1.400-1.500$) for 25-30 % more performance OMG, have they lost their minds?
maybe at 10:00 you mismatch 1% low and 0.1% low?
Yes. That is a charting error. Thank you.
This makes me happy that I picked up a 1080 almost on launch. Perfect for my 1600p monitor. I was worried these cards might be too tempting. Happy to wait until 7nm and buy a nice 4k monitor.
See that little reflection flickering on that 2080Ti every time Steve touches the table? Realistically, that's about as much RTX as I'm expecting to see actually implemented in any game for another three generations. I'll stick with my 970 for now, thanks.
i only play at High settings with my 970. I can't tell the diff between Ultra and High.
To be absolutely honest, there are some compromises to be made. I mostly play on custom, like having my draw distance cranked up to the max, high texture quality if feasible, and everything else comes after that. My New Vegas is doing almost constant 100fps in 3440x1440 and that's what I care about. I find that even modern games don't quite use all the vram, strangely enough the only game I've ever had to max out this gpu's 3,5gb was the first Mass Effect with 4k textures mod. It's not the best card out there, it's starting to get old, but they've still not given me a reason to upgrade.
The RTX is a line of Nvidia devkits made FOR developers and sold TO consumers.
Thing is, only the 2080 Ti's a workable dev card. Ideally you want a Quadro, or maybe the Turing Titan if that's good enough.
Watching this in my lovely limited edition teardown shirt that customs finally released to me today, yay!
I love the added details you're providing in this review, like which game engine is in use for each game and the sample gameplay for each title. Very slick!
The charts look better than ever too, and I particularly like that you're displaying the test setup on each slide. Makes it way easier to get the full picture if viewed in isolation.
Overall: crisp 4K video, better sound than we've been used to, good lighting, lovely cat. New office is working out for you, clearly. :)
Totally looking forwards to the Hybrid version of the Ti card!
Our lord and savior Snowflake has returned!
the count down blue bars on the slides.. very nice touch!
My budget for a complete PC is $1,000. Not going for any of these cards. Thanks for the review.
r5 1600 and used 1080
I like how Gamers Nexus mentions the game engine, because it truly does matter.
So... in conclusion, nvidia gives us marginal gains with a steep price increase, and then, they stop releasing new driver updates for the older 10 series, making the new 20 series really shine with future titles, thus forcing everyone into adopting the new hardware. That is providing we manage to sell a liver or two in order to pay for it, of course.
Apple any one?
It's good for your health, but very bad for your wallet.
The gains are so minimal between generations. If Nvidia actually did what they have historically done and lowered the price to be more competitive than the last generation. If they put them out for the same or slightly lesser price than Pascal they would have had a much warmer reception. But no, greed and stupidity instead. The people who have bought already are sheep. 6-10 months from now and I'll be ROFL at them. Pricing will crash and then AMD will bring something to ensure the price crash and then Nvidia will announce 7nm and then give you the cards you wanted this time then . Lol. Cant wait to be proven right!!!
Thanks for steering me clear of a blatant ripoff. Nvidia must have us confused with Apple fanatics. Expecting yearly lackluster perf upgrades at price gouged costs.
Just bought 2 used 1080ti's on Ebay for under $1100. Even with SLI dying, it's a better value to buy 2 of these for the games I play, than going for a single 2080ti.
so why would I upgrade from a 1080ti to a 2080ti? I paid $800 for an msi gaming x trio, can sell it for between 6-675? then buy a 2080ti for $1200??? LOL is this a joke? because unless the 2080ti doubles my performance (spoiler alert: its doesn't) the numbers dont add up Nvidia....
RTX
DON'T BUY IT
Fuck you, I buy what I want.
waiting my 2080 :)
sorry for you bro
It just works!
lol like wtf
It is expensive but it just works!
Why do you have to tell people “not this actual shirt” 😅😂
When a graphics card costs as much as a functioning second hand car I simply just cannot justify purchasing it, what a waste of money.
Have fun with your car.
Here we gooo! I expect to buy 1080ti, but this 2080ti is a fantasy buy. Maybe used next year 😁
catbertz smart decision I can smell here 🙂
next year will be faster card then 2080Ti only reason they launched it now.
Thời su
Based tech Jesus always saving you hundreds of euros.
70 to 80% price increase (over 1080 Ti) for a 25-30% performance increase. Absurd.
Nah I'll keep my gt 730 lol
Lol powerhouse
How many Ray´s do you need to cast a shadow?
That guy with the ‘don’t be a fanboy flair’ that got downvoted in every thread on /r/nvidia on Reddit must be rolling in his grave.
Kitty!
Pussy :)
Man you rock!!! Using the i7-8086K! You still carry the legacy of the legendary 8086 microprocessor in you heart. I'm subscribing!!!
Why no DX12 results for Radeon?
Thanks again for another great review. One question though, ff the Turing architecture is very similar to Volta why isn't anyone doing a benchmark in relation to the Titan V? Doing a comparison on hardware specifications may put the pricing and performance into better context. Yes Turing (especially the founders edition which, unlike GTX FE cards, come factory overclocked by Nvidia based on their own website so not really "reference/base" cards" that the AIB partners will be selling), is more expensive than Pascal, but Turing is also stacked in much the same way as the Volta cards. So not sure people reducing things down to the price per frame is exactly an apples to apples comparison and takes away from the other stuff on the Turing cards not found on Pascal.
Honestly believe, Turing is at the limit of what is practical and affordable at consumer grade because it is not just about the GPUs but the monitors they are pushing. Doubt many gamers can afford or are willing to shell out $2000 for a 4K 120hz monitor let alone 8K? Raw fps performance beyond the GTX1080ti is pointless for the vast majority of gamers so why were we expecting the RTX 2080 to be leaps and bounds ahead of the GTX 1080ti which was the first consumer grade 4K@60fps high to ultra graphics detail card? Nvidia's market consumer relations, and product differentiation is probably the main problem here along with gamers' expectations.
Linus Tech Tips has done exactly that
I've been enjoying my 1080 Ti Strix OC for over 7 months... before miners made them cost absurd money. With the release of these weak RTX cards, it makes me feel I won the lottery. Enjoying the same performance available today for over seven months and continuing all the way until 7nm nVidia cards come.
i paid 650 for a gigabyte oc card after getting fucked out of 1 for 550. i still feel good abt this.
when do 7nm cards launch? 2020? Price?
There was a time when a new generation gave you better performance at the same price. Good times, long gone.
Love u Steve and your awesome cat!
Put a "TI" on the flagship 2080 card, 2070 become 2080.
This is a sad performance increase. It literally feels like a pascal refresh with RT slapped on it to justify price.
To make things worse 1080ti has 11GB of VRAM -> 2080 has 8GB. So it's actually a downgrade.
Pretty ignorant comment but what ever.
It's sort of a upgraded pascal gpu on one side. Then your getting the tensor core gpu on the other.
I don't know what people were expecting. This card in rendering benchmarks beat out the Titan V. At half the cost. That's why they are expensive. For that alone, it's a steal. For gaming your gonna feel ripped off a bit. Because it's only 20%-30% better. It's still an upgrade though . But that's up to the person. If you want new tech your gonna pay.
How the hell is it a pascal refresh?! Geez you people really want to hate even if the charts literally show a significant performance increase. What is this? AMD bots?!?!
@@romxxii, yeah, I don't get it. It's 20%-30% at the moment better than a 1080ti. I don't think they realize your getting that, plus the rtx and dlss with the tensor cores. I don't know why everyone was expecting a huge leap with implementing rtx. I think these people bashing it don't understand how big real time Ray tracing is. If they did 3d rendering, I think they would understand a bit better.
They see the price for just normal gaming. And this tech is the start of changing how games will be made. Games could be easier on the hardware and run better, using this tech, but we will see. Only one driver so far. And devs haven't really dived into this new tech for games at all. I think it's a little premature to bash this gpu. All because it's not 35%-45% better than a 1080ti at the standard way of gaming.
In the next year, i would probably only play maybe two games with RTX features on. That would be DLSS and not raytracing because of the slower performance. Ill wait and buy a cheaper and/or faster card in a year or two, most people will probably do the same.
Just bought a laptop for less than a graphics card. Aught to hold me over for a year
I'm going to get a 2080 Ti BUT only because I have a 4k monitor that I currently can't power with my Jerry rigged mini-itx 1080 pulled from an eGPU (I can't even close my case right now because I have to mount it weird with a riser cable) and I don't want to be riding the fence of 60 fps or lower with a 1080 Ti or 2080. For the first time in a while I have plenty of disposable income so fug it. I'ma get it.
My theory the rtx 2080 should have been a rtx 2070 that is why the performance is very similar to a 1080 ti in most cases the gap between the rtx 2080 and 1080 ti should have been bigger. It would explain too why the rtx 2070 has no nvlink because it should have been a rtx 2060 midrange card but since I'm no engineer or computer scientist I guess I'm wrong but it made me think about this why performance is so similar with these two cards haha .
Dislikes are from cat haters
The thing is, prices never used to follow the performance level, the new cards should have been launching at a price similar to the old cards that they outperformed, now everything is just equal value, with the high end being ridiculously expensive.
Gonna upgrade my 1080 to 2080 Ti. In Canada it's either $1,000 for a 1080Ti or $1,600 for a 2080 Ti.
I have the money and I would like to see support for RT and DLSS one day (which will help justify RTX over a 10 series).
But not everyone is gonna be in the same boat as me.
Agreed. A move up from the 1080 or lower right to the 2080Ti is worthwhile if you can afford it. As Steve concluded you are getting something for your hard earned (or ill-gotten, my lips are sealed 😜) dollars. At that price point, your enjoyment is the consideration and not the value. I was hoping the 2080 would be a better proposition for me personally. Looks like a used 10i80Ti for me.
Buy whatever you want regardless of what people say.
Wow, you got a bunch of fair and respectful replies... Am I dreaming?
Liar... 1080 ti in Canada is currently $899 + tax which amount to close to $1000. The 2080 ti is 1699 + 0.12% tax (where I am from) and is $1850 after tax. That's 45% price hike for a 15-20% 1440p-4k 15-30% res performance bump up. Are you kidding me? Not even worth it
Ray Tracing + DLSS is still an x-factor at the moment too. Plus improved drivers. But if you check BitWit's benchmarks they're getting 77% performance increase over the 1080 at 4k and 36% over a 1080Ti at 4k. I'm willing to gamble on DLSS. It's fine if others arn't though.
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whoever thought of the side blue bars has my respect.
Just buy it! *whispers * Ray tracing - Tom's Hardware
You forgot to mention the sexiness. That’s the gains from 1080ti-2080fe...#worthit
Snowflake took this review to OP levels
Interesting review..i can buy it now but mehhh, freesync is always ftw and vega56 with that 1080p144 is a charm from my current gtx1060..not a sane man to sacrifice half a month's salary just to buy a freaking card which will be obsolete within 6-9months time
Has snowflake been working out?
Just as a shout out y'all did great on the new set. It was really exciting to see the whole process of moving to the new studio. Congrats you guys!
Always great, informative work. It shows the full story and I appreciate your transparent and honest reviews.
Cinebench? Octane? Cycles?
WHY NO THOSE BASIC BENCHMARKS, Steve?
"Gamers" Nexus. They're focusing on gaming for now.
Why use CPU benchmark for new GPU ! WTF Mate ?
IndigoBench also, Similar to octane and cycles, OpenCl based. Somewhat hardware agnostic (AMD/Nvidia)
Those are not CPU benchmarks, CB only does cpu rendering BUT also performs OpenCL test.
Anri Orlow yes, always so difficult to find reviews/benchmarks about professional software. All the UA-camrs care about is gaming, wtf!
I'm really suspicious of real time raytracing implementations now. For me, framerate is king: I always turn of HairWorks and shit like that because I want to run at 120hz.
If RTX is similar (nice reflections at the cost of 20fps) I will never enable it unless the game has tons of headroom.
I find it amazing that all gamers care about these days is fps. I love that they're focusing on making the games look better, not just stuffing in more transistors to get an unnecessarily high fps. Better antialiasing, better lighting, better reflections, and better fps to boot. People are butthurt because they can't afford the latest and best, as if they're entitled to it. Fucking ridiculous.
uhh but that is exactly what nvidia is doing...2080 ti has 8 billion more transistors than last gen and i only see true nvidia fanboys getting butthurt, mainly because there are no RT games available.
i think the entire rage is about 2 things: Performance/$ and PR Holocaust with RT...the only thing nvidia made right now is giving amd almost an entire year to develop their engine to compete with these cards which is a good thing in the end since more competition = lower prices
When RTX-enabled games come out, we can discuss how much the image quality is improved (and how much it affects FPS). Until then, though, these cards seem to be a bit more of the same for a lot more of the $$. Personally, I’m not in the market for a new GPU right now, but if I were I’d wait to see what kind of impact RTX has when games that use it become available.
It is as if someone is forcing them to buy it. Do they also complain that McLaren P1 is too expensive for the average car enthusiast?
If they only cared about fps like they say they do, you wouldn't have the same best sellers year after year that push graphical quality. If for some reason, they manage to delay ray-tracing and deep learning tech by calling it a gimmick, then games will literally look the same for the next decade.
+Ze Rubenator McLaren doesn't control the car market and keep helping roads becoming harder to drive through so that people are forced to buy P1s every few years.
I'm curious how AIB partner cards will perform. Also, lots of people seem to be getting the prices wrong. The FE(AIB equivalent) is $1200, but the reference card is $999.
Nvidia holding the GPU performance back because AMD has nothing to compete with 1080Ti let alone anything faster.
You just have to hope, that FreeSync will be enough in terms of visuals and performance. If 45FPS High to Ultra settings on a FreeSync screen does the trick. And lead to a fluid gameplay experience. nGreedia can fck right off!
absurd
so it's nvida's fault that AMD is not being competitive?
And from what i seen, NVIDIA is doing well. It was unheard of to have ray tracing in game. It used to take 10 min per frame
Great work GN!!! BTW, do you guys have plans to test the new NV link for the 2080 and 2080ti? I'm interested to see how it compares to traditional SLI setup.
Not enough time-screen for the cAt.
That my friend is an atrocious thing to do.
Being a fellow cAt slave, I know you understand :'3
Hoping to see some VR performance data on UA-cam soon!
Way too expensive. Remember, prices f.ex. in EU will be way higher than the US list prices, which makes this even more unpalatable.
Dude, please try an 2080 and 2080 Ti NVLink setup vs the 1080 and 1080 Ti SLi setup you will be utterly amazed, the NVLink is more efficient when it comes to data transfer
For what I want to experiment with, I'd get the RTX 2080 Ti
Nvidia used to price its GPUs based on relative performance increases...so from 1080 to 1080ti, there's generally about a 30-40% FPS increase, and they priced the 1080ti exactly 40% higher than the 1080; a predictable and rational strategy...HOWEVER, with the 2080ti, they've gone completely Apple -- roughly 30-40% FPS increase from the 1080ti, but priced 60% higher -- a hefty premium for those unused ray tracing cores...
Would be nice to see some benchmarks aimed at the people who actually have the potential to buy the cards - architectural visualization, mining, rendering, simulation, etc. The reason these cards exist in the first place.
Currently using a GTX 760, and I was seriously considering going with a 2080 or 2070 until today. The performance per dollar ratio is a JOKE and there is zero chance of ever seeing these at "MSRP" because of nVidia's schemes.
...I know, I know. They are a company; their goal is to make money and if I don't like what they make, don't buy it. Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Don't be a sucker.
Pass
My 960 is feeling very insecure this week.
Meh, I get 60fps in Star Citizen @ 4k highest settings using two 1080’s (non-ti) in SLI.
I’ll be good for a while.
Single 2080 ti might be a bit better, but it’s costs as much as my 1080’s did over 2 years ago.
If the prices were closer to $800 each, we’d talk, but not at $1200+, F that.
$1200 bucks for 20% increase? Guess I'll be buying that 1080ti sc2
No!
Just NO Nvidia...
Keep your overpriced shit...
I hope noone buys this generation...otherwise they never learn it.
Deep learing of mucking around your community... Nvida
What's the point spending 20 minutes looking at how the Nvidia RTX 2080 TI FE compares to GTX 1080 and lower cards? The whole point should be to see how it fares against other higher end RTX 2080 Ti cards. The appealing form factor with only 2 slots of the FE makes it interesting.
It would be nice if your bias against these cards wasn't so obvious throughout this review, it really doesn't need to be there. You basically admit that the marketing for these cards tinted your views and then proceed to basically do another review on the 2080 and how it isn't very much faster than the 1080ti while occasionally mentioning the 2080ti. In every benchmark slide you make sure to highlight the 2080 vs the 1080ti. When the Rtx does something good you must immediately follow it up with something to bring it back down. Your negative tone throughout was highly distracting. The price to performance ratio and the recommendation not to buy has it's place but at least mention the future potential of 2/3rds of the card which is non-utilized, (ray trace and tensor cores).
I am gonna wait for the next generation,... got a 1440p 150-160hz display, and the 20series,... cant garantee me in all the games the max fps,... also got a ryzen system and gonna upgrade later in 2020 or something like that to the best performing ryzen cpu,... and hopefilly have finally a pc that offers me all the good frames and graphical eyecandies. I guess the 1080 non TI will do for the next two years.... sadly,.. i hoped theese cards offer a bit more performance,...
No card will ever give you max fps on the lastest games. That just wont happen.
In the same boat. If AMD can get their shit together they might bring the price down on these cards. If they actually release a card with 1080 performance at $200 like they claimed. Hopes and dreams.
Even if its "only" 1070 performance for 200 it will put a lot of pressure on nvidia. And if they dont..well. still a win for everyone on a smaller budget.