This Seems Rushed... - GeForce RTX Review
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Tom's Hardware: 'Just buy it'
Linus: 'Lol no'
Almost everyone told that nvidia employee disguised as Tom's editor to fuck off.
They're both compromised by whatever force is trying to infect the tech industry and youtube tech community.
I visit Tom's Hardware for information on how to sort out problems with my system. I visit LTT for information on how to avoid needing to visit Tom's Hardware.
You and I apparently watch all the same dam videos.
Hurry up and get your forsaken review out X-D.
Gamers nexus tearing this thing apart was a beautiful thing too btw.
Btw Linus if you read this good vid bro.
Man this is funny to come back and watch with the 3000 series launch
Same. 3080 crushes the 2080 Ti
@@bobpro583 that is not surpising but the fact it 3090 is out perfromace a 3000 buck card...
Funny how everyone was saying this 20 series launch was trash, but then it's basically the same as this 30 series launch.
EDIT At least as far as performance increase
i was thinking the same thing
@@ZachAsaD ya they did. Half the price on a lot of cards. And if you are planning on running a 1080p monitor only then you're totally fine too. I just got my 3080 strix, so I'll be selling my 2080 standard soon for some return value
Hot take: Turing is going to be known as the Vista of graphics cards. It was built for a world that didn't exist, with features that nobody really used properly, yet needed to happen so the next version is something people actually like (Windows 7, Ampere).
Then 4000 series will be problematic / alienated but they fixed it with the 4600 series then? 🤔 (Windows 8 to 8.1)
Yes, so true. I still can't buy it till next year lmao. I'm broke.
Seeing Control with dlss 2.0, rtx and the 3000 series makes this soooo true
Windows Vista looked Nice af tho
The 2080ti was actually pretty good except for the price. Well now we can get this card for lower price, wattage and double the features as the 3070, it was worth the wait. 😆
That being said, get the 3080ti, that should last you past even the 5000 series.
1 year later-
Yep, it was as rushed
Same thing with amds gpus
2 years later, still rushed
After watching 3080 reveal.
Definitely rushed
R.I.P. new 2080 buyer’s
2 years later, yea it was rushed. 30XX SERIES THOOOOOOOOO FIRE FIRE FIRE
Massive respect gained. As a long time sub, I'm really glad that LTT still speaks for the consumer. Thank you Linus.
Yes - my thoughts too. Breath of fresh air.
The consumer doesn't care. They're all like Apple sheep. If it's not apple they throw their money at for nothing, they do it in other places.
After seeing all these videos I am starting to thinking that this graphics card is the iPhone XR
speak for yourself, scrubby mcidiot. some of us very much do care, and pay attention closely to the behaviors of large companies and how they treat their customers.
Yep, wholeheartedly agree.
When he sat down that's when I knew shit was getting serious.Since when does he EVER sit down
He should have put on a silk kimono and stuffed a tobacco pipe into his mouth and sat down in a red corinthian leather chair beside a fireplace. Then it would have been extremely serious.
So genius, so true xD
*REAL TALK*
Who else is here after papa Jensen destroyed all of us who were saying "Ima skip another generation" and "AMD save us" with the RTX 3000.
Me
AMD is dead on the GPU market now. 500 bucks for a better 2080ti. that's pretty good.
@@hospsa6933 yeah
Dr Hospsa bruh I bought an amd 5700 for $280 new that out performs my brothers’ 2070 and 1080 by a significant margin. The 2070 was bought for $500 new and the 1080 $300 used.
Navi is good tech with high potential. They probably won’t be able to compete with the 3090, and maybe they won’t compete with the 3080. But I completely expect something that will compete with the 3070 at an aggressive price and performance.
Alan Thomas Remember, to outperform the 3070 is to outperform the 2080ti. I hope they can do it.
Who's here after 3000 series launch?
Meeee!!
Same lol ^^
Same thing.
yes
same
bro
rtx 2000 is bad
bye
Sameee. 3080 here I come
Best thing about the RTX release is that prices on 1080Ti's might finally drop.
3rdWheel Exactly!
They already have actually :) theres an MSI and a Gigabyte one for $650 on Amazon.
Well said
LMAO NOT WITH THESE SHITTY ASS BENCHES LMAOO
Well here they have barely dropped, might drop more later autumn, but now the cheapest rog strix 1080ti is around 1050 usd still (hooray for massive tax and shit here) but i got mine on a sale late august for 800usd which i thought was "cheap" x3
13:26 sums up the entire video.
Honestly, the reason Linus has becomes so prominent on YT is highlighted in videos such as these. Im just glad that Linus expresses his own opinions and not forced advertisement for monetary reasons. Its really such a shame to see other deceptive videos reviewing the card and not mentioning such significant details...
100% agree. I really struggle with review sites / YT videos that do not mention ANYTHING bad. It's like, who are you being paid by...
It's the same with Amazon reviews. What would you trust more, 300 reviews 5* or 300 reviews 4.5*. At least with the 4.5 I know someone real has used it / reviewed it.
Yup. LTT can be sloppy at times, but they have good intentions and do the entertainment aspect really well. That goes a long way. Sources that aren't transparent and capable of independent critical though are useless.
I'd recommend Gamers Nexus as a supplemental source. They tend to go much deeper into the nitty gritty with less entertainment, but they also have a very low threshold for BS and they aren't afraid to voice their opinions. They also put up their own 2080 review just now (and it's a good example of what I just mentioned).
THIS!!!!!!
Most countries force people to show it's an advertisement, basically if you're getting paid you have to tell the viewers. Linus is so big there's no point in risking getting 4 or even 5 figure fines for doing it
Yes never has he not called out bullshit. The coolermaster snafu with that high airflow case gamers Nexus reviewed poorly. Other prominent tech UA-camrs were still running the add. I would of cut the contract and paid the penalties but they just ran with it. Linus only does adds for established product lines which is really smart in hindsight.
An update video would be appreciated. thanks guys.
STILL CHEAPER THAN A BACK GLASS CHANGE ON THE IPHONE XS MAX
Talking of iphones ,this cost less than my iphone 10.
Coming from a note 9 owner feelsbadman
Yes, because your graphics card is a fashion piece too?
Back glass change on iPhone xs max is £500. So... no
@@hydraz1443 actually not. If you are using an authorised dealer and are not part of warranty or something that is equivalent to it in apple's terms, it costs more than $1300
Mad respect Linus, These are the type of videos that I sub for. Honest fair criticism of a piece of tech EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER WANTS but has no idea why...
No idea why? Do you realize how big of a step reap time raytracing is in the big scheme of things? This was thought to be 10 years away from happening and its just erupted out of the blue.
Just last year I was watching non euclidean geometry and attempts at RTRT videos, no one thought we were even close.
it's new and shiny with good features. Of course i want it!
amen bruv
@@LittleRainGames Sure, ray tracing sounds cool, though we have yet to see it in action. Plus it won't be authentic RT, but a hybrid of sorts. Anyway, this generation of cards is nothing but a pilot series that will be used to improve and further develop the technology for later generations, and therefore won't be as crazy as it sounds. Expect lots of poor optimization and bugs in the upcoming year.
I have a feeling that you'd really like @ave
This early access Raytracing better not end up like Physx, but from Battlefield and Tombraider it probably will be.
Robbaz All hail the slacker king
PhysX was a massive failure
@Nick Guyster I believe the only game it was featured in was borderlands 1 or 2.
oh yeah physx cards these will probably be like those
Lolled9991 It being a useless gimmick touted as a selling point? I think it was Batman: Arkham Asylum which had the most impressive use of it I've ever seen with it's smoke/fog effects, outside of that about everything else done with it was a pretty minor improvement over not having PhysX.
As a developer I am hyped and can't wait for my engine to start supporting it but as a gamer... gtx 1070 is enough
That's the sweetspot
Welcome to 4 years later, and ray traced games are becoming a lot more mainstream, even moreso with DLSS which gamers LOVE.
@@squirrelsinjacket1804 Still a game dev but I stopped caring about RT shortly after I bought 2080 Ti. However I'll have to buy a 4090 really soon. Btw, I still have that 1070 here, collecting dust, but I am planning to put it in my living room computer for my nieces to play their games when they visit.
@@aleksandramitic1062bro u seems like a really cool person , my cousins didn't let me touch their computers 😂
Simple rule of thumb:
Never invest $1500 into first gen GFX hardware that has ZERO games supporting it or developers using its hardware in any games out or in the pipeline!
Yea it truly seems like a lot of the usage for this technology would lay within physics and research. like... it has ai now.... My computer needs a computer to compute the graphics
You were right. 2nd gen RTX seems much better with Ampere. Massive performance gains, basically no performance loss from RT via DLSS, RT now on consoles so basically every AAA is gonna use it and those sweet sweet performance gains in Blender using Optix.
My grandmother always said... Never buy the first one. Everyone listen to my grandmother.
Exactly, the people that go out and buy these things on day one, are the same kind of show off people that would bring a Gatling gun, to hunt pheasant!
A wise granny.
Never get the last cucumber piece.
You know that she was a mob hitman, right?
hitperson*
Should've just hit us with mining benchmarks, that would've made nVidia mad enough 😂
LOL
And deep learning benchmark.
they only had 2.7 days, which includes video editing.
would you earn your money back?
free rtx 2080ti :thonkang:
they're owned by nvidia
Where can I download the 2080 ti and is it free?
free trial soon
Just torrent it fam. And no, the separate fan files are not viruses, your anti virus just thinks they are. Also, SLI_cables.dll is not included, you gotta get it yourself elsewhere.
I got the sli files if y'all want me to email them to you. Make sure you duplicate the rtx and fan files
AK media nigga just download more ram and some RGB
😂😂😂
Well this aged pretty well, didn't it?
YES
An unfinished release? So basically Nvidia went full EA...Never go full EA.
hold up there, they only went partial EA. They haven't told people to F-off and not buy their cards. Yet.
How is it unfinished? Its just too early for RTX at the moment.
when you market your card as RTX, but its "too early for RTX at the moment" then its unfinished, you fuck-knuckle. Are you really THAT deficient in brain power?
You can upgrade the graphics card if you buy lootboxes for star cards.
fucking pre orders for gpu ? hahaha
Thanks for being objective on this linus
He and his team are pretty awesome at that. My guess is that the rush is in response to Tesla's graphics chips being made.
whos here from Linus' rtx 3000 series video
meeeee 3090 looks awesome but ill stick with my 2080ti for now...
Welp someone asked it before me
yeah i saw this video when i was come out and i skip the whole year without rtx until last year i get a rzaer 2060 and m51 2080.... so yeah i will be fine for next few year... until next 4000 series... most game still badly optimazted so i doubt the 3000 would solve those problem..
Who's here after seeing the amperes?
I feel bad for anyone who bought 20series.
got a 2070 super in march yikes
@@ankurh6100 not really i have one aswell and it handles every game in ultra so dont fell bad :)
This video is why noone bought it, RTX was a gimmick
@@ankurh6100 yes me too also in March I am honestly happy ngl
but like-
@@ChiquitaSpeaks It was not a gimmick. It was very new at the time, I was not born at the time but gpu's with new features like our now old light non rtx lighting also started like the rtx 20 series, but now with rtx 30 series we get a higher jump in performance because of the problems 20 series gave.
When linus's transition into a sponsor message is smoother than the 2080 launch...
Benjamin Pugh I literally was looking for a comment like this. You single handedly made my night 10/10
Well, Linus has been practising it for quite a while now.
He aint got shit on alpha m. when it comes to add transition.
that sounds really depressing
Lmao! ouch
4K performance (via techpowerup):
780 Ti --> 980 Ti = 30% Improvement
980 Ti --> 1080 Ti = 44% Improvement
1080 Ti --> 2080 Ti = 28% Improvement
Prices:
780 Ti $699
980 Ti $649
1080 Ti $699
2080 Ti $1,200
It's honestly a fucking joke at this point.
those 28% improvement really makes me want to consider getting a 2nd 1080 ti for sli getting and 30% improved framerate shouldnt be that hard with sli , i know i wont get 200% performance with it , but 130% should really be doable
I hope that soon AMD and Intel will launch their DirectX RayTracing "Ready" cards at a lower price, fuck Tensor Cores, I just want to game and have my two kidnys.
Starting to look like Apple
after I saw the new prices I decided to get a gtx 1070 instead, costed me only 240 euro. I think I'll wait a few years till they are a reasonable price.
Linus in 2018 about NVidia: I can't talk about future potential, goals, and projections
Linus in 2021 about M1: OmG thE PoTenTiaL iS hUGe, thE (vastly biased) syNthEtiCs likE FraUdBenCh 5 are shOwiNg prOmiSe.
I would love, here about a year later, to see an update... does the hardware/softwere combination now allow for full Raytracing?
$1000 for a 2080Ti....Did anyone tell NVIDIA that mining died out? Maybe they are making their own coin that can only be mined with ray tracing to get the prices hiked up again and $1000 will be a bargain
RayCoin
1400 bucks man
Yeah... actually $1150 (plus tax depending on state)
yeah, so in canada, it'll cost nearly $2000 after taxes.
RAYCOIN LMAO
8/10 of the reviews I've watched thus far are saying the same thing. These new cards just aren't worth the $$$. Thanks for simply saying it as it is. You have my respect and my wallet thanks you!
kishona69 the other 2/10 is Tomshardware
I don't think Linus said it wasn't worth the money. Compared to the 10 series--*if you want the highest quality of frame rates at 4k ultra possible*--the 20 series is a no brainer. Does that mean its not "worth" it? Well, that depends on what you care about, how much you value your money, ect.
What Linus said is that this thing is not released as advertised (something that does seem to be ubiquitous among pc gaming). Simply put, no one can actually try ray tracing. The problem here is that what they're trying to sell this thing as is ray tracing.
Its absolutely absurd that Nvidia is going on about how ray tracing is "the holy grail" of gaming or whatever, and then no one can actually review this important feature (and the same thing goes for the new aa method as well).
If Nvidia simply marketed this card as a significant improvement over the 10 series, and then also said that ray tracing and deep learning super sampling will be coming, but not included at launch, then it would be hard to criticize them on that. Maybe we could say "why release it if you have features that aren't ready?" But at least there wouldn't be this appearance of subversive marketing that the current RTX launch is surrounded in.
Honestly, my take is that I think Nvidia is deliberately trying to piss people off. The more people that are pissed off, the more people get polarized, divided, and the more media exposure they get.
I don't think they're stupid, I don't think they're evil and trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I think they just know how to troll, and they also know that trolling brings attention and therefore cash.
It could be worse, be thankful Cryptocurrency is currently is the dumpster
We heard the same thing for every previous new generation graphics card. But then drivers and coders catch up.
Remember, this is still new so it’s going to be far from perfect.
Well I mean, it's really "not worth your money" now, but when the RTX-enabled software or games DO start taking advantage of the high-end card to it's fullest potential using RTX, it's just we can't completely determine when that'd be, 2 days or 2 weeks, 3 days or 1 month, etc..
$800 for some fancy shadow rendering technology? Hard pass. Maybe in 5 years.
Yo Mamas House $50 for a FPS game? Hard pass. Just shoot in real life.
@Hentai is an Art you could go to a farm in america and get a shotgun for free.
They have to start somewhere, it’s completely new architecture... first computer didn’t cost 400$ did it?
$800 for a generational increase in fps and ray tracing.
Buying the firearm is the cheap part, spending money on endless sinkhole of ammunition is very expensive. I easily burn through 200$ worth of ammo every time I go to the range. So I bought the RTX 2080Ti instead.
Rtx off = 150fps
Rtx on = 40fps
Everyone thought rtx was the feature, but DLSS is my new favorite thing for 4K. Lifesaver feature.
@@robreich6881 whats DLSS?
@@Andrejku9 Deep Learning Super Sampling. It basically runs a game at a lower resolution, and then using AI to upscale the image so it looks higher res. Its indistinguishable.
@@Andrejku9 and gives more fps
@@Clorthax and how can i get that?? In my pc
Linus, why do you even ask? Of course we want you to overclock the card!
Is it for UA-cam stats? 👀
I want a ltt vs gn oc competition again like with the titan v
Seriously was thinking the same thing.
So we all comment and increase the popularity of this video...
jayztwocentz will make a better overclocking video on it
GamingTV very true. That's why it's fun to watch them do it, though. Like the macbook i9 cooling video. I don't want to buy and modify a $5000 laptop and very possibly break it, so it's neat to see the results of them doing it. I'm not a PC builder person (partially for lack of money, partially because I don't really play any games, and those I do aren't high-end), so I'd only overclock or modify old hardware.
Massive respect for always being honest.
*Always* is a powerful word, one should handle it with respect.
Nope. Not really. He's not being honest when it comes to intel vs amd.
Charles Constantino, You might have missed his very critical "I have some things to say Core i9 & X299" video.
What do you think he’s missing? I thought that Intel is clearly the bigger actual sponsor of his, but he always tries to give AMD props. I’m hoping AMD does make a good showing and break the monopoly.
@@acruzp *Respect* is a powerful word, one you should handle with honest.
Linus! The 3D Program comparison were really great! I'm getting myself a new PC(my current one is five years old and just chugs when trying to render anything or do anything in Max or Maya) and I am curious as to what you might think of going for a 2070 over a 2080?
It's August 2023, I came back to this video because I missed the good old LTT, this is the quality I subbed for. One thing I also missed is the pricing of 2018. 2000 series cards may have been a bit rushed but an 80 type gpu costing 800$ is a dream now, the 4080 msrp is 1200$ ffs, plus all the other issues that came after this era of gpu with scarcity, mining and so on. We didn't know it at the time, but 1000 and 2000 series were the golden age.
did you forget about the 30 series, it brought prices down and performance up
Dropping a GPU with RTX on would look pretty sweet 😉
Butterfingers are sweet. Dropping GPUs like that are not.
Just received notification of your video, coming to your channel now...
Good job releasing a video before linus
Better to kick that GPU in sandals with socks on.
I learned more in the first 4 min of your video than I did in the 2 hour press event
Nvidia *pulls out the list of blacklisted reviewers.
They can "blacklist" all they want, most of the reviewers will likely just pony up to get the cards themselves, as they make more off their review videos than the cost of the card. Then consumers get to hear about Nvidia refusing to give products to anyone who bad mouths their STUPID decisions, then their popularity starts to wain. Which is exactly what Nvidia doesn't want to do (if they have any brains left) because if they start making consumers dislike them and their practices and AMD launches anything even remotely close to their GPU's, then Nvidia will eat a HUGE loss.
@@shawnpitman876 Looks lIke AMD has crushed not only Intel, but Nvidia as well? Damn.
You need to work on reading comprehension, i said if Nvidia blacklists people for their honest reviews of their 2000 series cards they COULD cause buyers to not want to buy from them. That really couldn't be more clear, so pull your head out of your ass.
Shawn Pitman Nvidia have already caused me to not want to buy from them. So that's at least one of their former customers lost. Where do I sign up for Team Red?
All jokes aside, I'd love to see the shit storm that arises.
My favourite game of all time.
Named myself ZombeFX for many years to come because of their FX Chip built in on the cartridge!
12:26, that happy asian with his cellphone
I see what you did there Nvidia, you pulled an Apple!
Worse. At least Apple usually delivers the thing they promised in the keynote when the hardware drops, even if it's overpriced.
They did pull an Apple with the prices and overcomplication of their cooler disassembly but they delivered noting that they told us unlike Apple LMAO
They pulled a really bad Apple as if Apple isn't bad already lol
Apple delivers some shiny things for a far too high price thats destined to break soon.
We are not that low... yet.
a bad Apple, to be precise
More like a No Man's Sky.
People have to stop accepting the prices its ridiculous.
It's out of stock before they even started shipping
since it's their parents money they don't care
I need to save my entire salary like 4 month before i can get rtx lol
kais yahia nah most of them are probably grown ass people wasting their paycheck. Stop being delusional and using this shitty excuse, it makes you look childish af too.
MemoryLoss offended much ?
Honest review by such a huge company. Thank you for keeping it real Linus.
Definitely want to see an Over Clock and keep an update on the Quadro series of these cards... I was just thinking about upgrading my Vectorworks workstation.
*RTX OFF:* Fat wallet
*RTX ON:* skinny wallet.
RTX ON = see them ray traces in your empty pocket ?
*RTX* *OFF:* 2 kidneys
*RTX* *ON:* 1 kidney
OK, I pre-ordered RTX, but this is hilarious.
@@saiint444 you'll have enough left over to build one hell of a rig xD
C O N S T A N T V A R I A B L E
Time to get a 1080 now that this is out
r x g e . 1080 tis are going for $599 now, and a 1070 ti oc’ed would be a better value card if you couldnt afford the 1080 ti. pretty much the same performance.
@Voltaic Fire same lol i'm playing at 1080 p gonna wait for 2020
Voltaic Fire right. I’ll be keeping my 1080 for at least 3 years until I make a new build
Getting 1080ti soon finally
r x g e . I’m gonna keep my GTX 1050 TI, it works for everything I want and need to do
"This Review is incomplete like the RTX 2k Series.....but you know whats incomplete? An add"
@Linus Tech Tips could you do a video on building a stable, fast, computer for making videos? Not just the 1080p videos for UA-cam but 4k? And the software you would chose for making those videos? Software that gives you many options on what you can do and yet simple to use?
Fun fact:
A Beattle (the car) is cheaper than a RTX 2080ti here in mexico
el imortal damn
Priorities, right?
omg obvously somethings not right if thats a thing... glad i went for a 1080 instead, 1200$!? nah fam im good
My daily driver Xsara was the same price as a RTX2080 2 years ago here in Poland. \m/ Gotta live with RTX off!
@@MichalKobuszewski hahaaa good one
Thank you for being honest and not trying to over-glorify and push these new cards onto us like those other sell-out tech channels are doing. That's why I always come back to Linus Tech Tips over the rest.
Kudos to you Linus! For those of us who use a 1080 ti, it would appear that instead of buying one of these over-hyped overpriced RTX cards, buying another 1080 ti and going with SLI would be the better and CHEAPER thing to do to get a meaty increase in gaming performance.
Or waiting for 30 series
@@Omlet221 not everyone wants to wait 3.5 years between GPU purchases
@@Omlet221 lol
@@tehbest cries in gtx 650
@@hohohodrigues It's ok, I'm using a GT 740 until my friend replaces their 2070 and sells it to me.
4:05 Those images must be switched. It may hold up in court though, technically the text does not direct us to correlate the image with either label. Human nature implies it.
was funny when 3000 series launched, even funnier after 4000 launch
I’ve never hated someone’s thumbnails but loved their videos like this before
Jon Strong *You must be the Nvidia guy who paid him to undermine the total failure of your overpriced crap*
Adrian wat
Adrian wut
Adrian nani
W A T
So nvidia basically copied EA’s business plan by releasing unfinished stuff. Watch them selling raytracing via dlc
I thought I was the only woke intellect on this dumb planet...
And probably crippled linux driver, because people will try to use it as a cheaper quadro.
It won't be DLC. It's locked behind loot crates.
May the RNG gods smile upon thee!
I think youre on the wrong youtube channel
You picked that songs from which category on that site ?
They are really satisfing.
That smooth transition into the sponsor actually made me want to buy a case LOL - Linus has found out how to drop sponsorship's ads correctly
Oh rtx 2080 is out ...
Time to buy the GTX 480 now for dirt cheap !!!
your power bill will kill you,
Code Person His house will burn down before that
Well, winter is just around the corner.
Buy a 970 or a 780ti. Or even a rx 580. Way better for the prices
Fermy at the end consume much more in a long shot...
I think I will stick with my measly little GTX 1060. I'd like something more powerful. But the price is way too high and the overselling of newer cards is well, oversold.
Just look for a used or new 1080ti's most performance nerds are upgrading to this crap already seen 4 cards for sale in my area that or wait until Black Friday sale that's usually where I come up big on upgrades for my PC.
That's actually my plans. I'm just waiting for the 2000 series to become popular enough that the market gets flooded with used 1080(ti)s. That way the price will be cheap like me. I purchased my 1060 6GB during black friday last year and I paid
1070 here, I'm getting a steady 60FPS on max for every game I currently play. Can't say I feel any desire to upgrade right now. It's not like the "Game locked at 60FPS" craze is going away any time soon and since I can already reach that easily, why would I bother paying for more right now?
Plenty of used 1080 and 1080 ti about to go online haha. Unless they bump those used prices to cover the cost of the 2080 lol holy moly
I got a 1070 TI for $280 and before that I got a 1060 for $230 .-.
"I can't benchmark G O A L S"
Love that shit
Waiting to decide between the 1080 and the 2070. I’d really like the newest card but not sure how much the performance difference is worth. Supposedly the price of the 2070 is gonna be $500 and 1080’s have been selling around $430.
Obviously we don’t have the benchmarks for the 2070 yet and I’m not sure if it will outperform the 1080 simply by being newer or if it’s more of a replacement for the 1070/1070 ti.
Its like building an electric car for a country with only 3 charging stations....
So what's the alternative? No paradigm shifts ever? Never build an electric car in that country? They won't build chargers unless the cars are being made. Early adopters will suffer at first until the infrastructure comes around. Same here. Game devs will catch up.
1 week past....Nvidia managed to adapt RTX in all entire game that ever existed....damn...
EZ. Include a demo or game that shows off how good RTX can make a game look.
good thing everyone has fucking power outlets in their house? -.-
He wasn't saying anything like that lol it was just a hypothetical analogy
2080 Ti = 25%~ More performance cross all games over 1080 Ti, 2 Years later and double the Price while Consuming more POWER ! + most are triple slot
2080 = a 1080 Ti Expect that its Showing signs of bottleneck at 4K (Minimum Frames) duo the lower bandwidth+ 3GB Less VRAM while Costing MORE !
Don't fall to the false Nvidia Trick (They are using overclocked by nvidia 2080/2080 Ti FE vs None overclocked 1080Ti)
2080 ti is 30-50% faster, stop trying to underrate it.
Well, all charts I've seen today gives the 2080 Ti 40-35% boost across the board compared to the 1080 Ti.
we cant know yet
According to the performance tests Linus has shown, the 2080Ti gives only about 23% more performance over the 1080Ti on average.
HassanAlHajry did not underrate it.
@Name you are wrong, its no where near 50% or even 30% lol see techpowerup review they made chart for performance summery cross ALL Games in fact depends on resolution sometimes the diffrence is even LESS than 20% (at 1080p resolution) and thats OVERCLOCKED FE 2080 Ti vs Normal 1080 Ti.
One thing that is puzzling me is all of the emphasis on new anti-aliasing techniques with 4k. I can find aliasing on my 43 inch 4k monitors in certain rare scenes or situations, if I'm consciously looking for it, but aliasing in 4k is like a minor graphical anomaly. I feel like they should be focusing more on getting a decent driver out since the launch....
20 series comes out: but it has no games
30 series comes out : but they have no cards
40 series comes out: but power plants have no energy
@@FooPanda more like: 40 series comes out: but wallets have no money
Thanks for your honesty Linus.
u can alwayss count on Linus for that.
That's why he's the first reviewer I went for.
Doesn't mean anything as hes moaning at the end of the video when every type of person who will blindly buy the new series cards will already have tuned out.
To be fair, if they're going to buy it regardless then it's of little consequence.
How much more of your life do you want not to be raytraced?!
Some more of it, apparently
The more gpus you buy the more money you save!
about 3 to 8 months more
Anyone notice the title "Tray Racing" after the initial ad?
The title is so damn ironic in 2023
R - Real
T - Time
X - Disappointment
X- Xtreme disappointment
Ecks dee
Hey! You stole that comment from my parents
mrabudi1 or Hold ‘X’ to Pay Respects
Lol i kept Saying peeps need to wait till next year to try comprehensive demos or games. Or expect benchmarks shows its potential...
Is it worth it right now for gaming? NO
Will it likely perform better in 2019? Yes
Why? cause its new tech still being developed,games have to support it, the games and chips themselves need to be optimized.
Maybe they planned it:
1. RTX disappointment launch
2. GTX 1080 Ti going off the shelves sooooooooo much
3. Increasing the price of 1080 Ti cause of "unavailability"
4. RTX 2080 going off the shelves sooooooooo much.
That's how you make money
I hate this I was hoping the 1080 wouldn't be as bad for price.
Except you can find 1080 ti's for $450 on ebay and 1080's for $350 because of this launch
Yes, situations like this doesn't happen at random. They aren't running a hot dog stand on the street, they've speculated and compared to every other release (and price on them), so here we all are. Sitting with our thumbs up our ass waiting for better offers.
Of course that's the way they planned it lol, this is Intel/Nvidia we're talking about here...
What have they done notoriously for the last 10 years. Release marginally better products at an inflated rate only to increase cost exponentially on last gen products to ensure next gen products are purchased while starving the market increasing demand for both.
That's what happens when there is no competition
Love your videos! Im thinking of buying a Razer Blade 15, in your opinion what CPU /GPU configuration would you recommend? Thanks
Can you please re-test now that DLSS 2.0 is out? Only one channel has done it and they're saying there are 30% gains in framerate which would set RTX well above the rest in compatable software
This situation of a powerful, fast new card with a feature set that wasn't used anywhere outside of benchmarks felt familiar, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I saw a comment on TechReport; this is the GeForce 3 all over again, over seventeen years ago. At that time the only thing that really supported pixel shaders was 3DMark 2001, and the "must have" game that would use the technology was going to be Doom 3. Which got pushed back to 2004, when a GeForce 4 or a Radeon 9700 Pro stomped all over the GeForce 3's performance. The preliminary number's I've seen with ray-tracing turned on (over at Ars Technica) at 4k or 1080p upsampled to 4k are still below 60 fps even in carefully structured demos like the Star Wars elevator one.
Ray tracing could dramatically revolutionize how we render games once developers and hardware manufacturers get everything coordinated. I just don't know if the RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti are the cards one should buy if they plan on keeping this hardware for four years or so.
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I personally don't think people should buy into this generation of Nvidia cards, the RTX technology seems like a pipe dream at this point considering, like you said, the 2080ti (which is $1,200) has been shown to struggle keeping 60FPS with the feature turned on. The RTX series of cards definitely don't seem for gamers, no matter how hard they try to market it that way. They offer a boast to performance over the 10 series, but one that's negligible if you already own a 10 series card. I don't see the benefits of me upgrading my 1070 to a 2070 when I have no issue running any game at max settings, GTAV has been the only game thus far I had to tune some things down for but that's due to my cheap CPU (i5 6400T... i know). You also have to consider the huge impact console gaming has on the industry as a whole, not many companies are going to waste resources making an RTX enable version of a game that's going to sell more copies on an RTX-less machine, the games we see being made now are probably done on a direct request from Nvidia to demonstrate the new tech rather than the developers doing it out of their own charity.
Wish you'd talk more about the price to performance ratio. 2080 performs the same as 1080 TI, but it costs 100$ more and 2080 TI is at the very best 30% better than 1080 TI, but it costs 70% more. Its a joke.
At the very best the 2080ti is 50% faster than a 1080ti and costs around 15% more than I paid for a 1080ti.
You guys forget how impressive the technology in these cards are...
Can't wait to get a 2080ti my 1080ti isn't cutting it
@@osiritis1701 Yeah 40 fps at 1080p with the 2080ti is pretty impressive...
@@OnlyTidus 1080ti is still a beast, but if you absolutely must have the fastest, then yeah, 2080ti is epic. For me, personally, it's not that bad in price either, I built my gaming rig in January while prices were crazy high die to mining, the 2080ti is only £100 more than plaid for a 1080ti.
But if you were lucky enough to land a 1080ti for £5-600, Then the cost of a 2080ti is a bitter pill to swallow.
it cant run crysis 3 at 4k 60 fps, not even at 50 fps, or 40 fps... it runs at only 39 :)) so need to w8 more, maybe next gen rtx can run crysis at 50 fps :))
sauce? seems unlikely
@Flick Or Treat fake
I beg to differ. You build must be bunk or you’re going by a review you watched
4k 51 fps for over $9000.😂
When you play crisis 3 on your surface pro 2 at 800x600 low 30+ fps. . Don't judge me :l
I got a 2080 for the 1080ti level of performance and rtx is just incidental and I don’t really expect it to be mainstream for awhile or even a very long time. But I do remember feeling perplexed by the launch.
Can I increase my performance in ms paint?
It's probably not GPU accelerated
HAHA! That's funny.
nope, it probably cant utilize any hardware but like intel igpus from the 90s
You need to make sure your case has enough stickers in order to get there.
No. Minesweeper maybe 10% decrease (only optimised for igpus).
Linus...the 1080 beat the 980 Ti. The 1070 was roughly on par with the 980 Ti (within 10% iirc, depending on the game).
The 980 was faster than the 780 Ti, with the 970 coming close to the 780 Ti's performance.
The 2080 only matching the 1080 Ti is pitiful. Especially when this generations non-Ti 80 card is a higher price than the previous generations 80 To card. Normally the next generation non-Ti 80 card is 100 bucks less at launch than last gens 80 to card.
This is the first time you're paying more for the same performance, instead of less for higher performance.
Only beat shit tier 980Ti's*****
I mean while you are not wrong the tech gap between the 900's and the 1000's is fairly large. It's like comparing 600 series to 700 series. While I won't be purchasing a 2000 series card for a long while i'll be happy with my 1050TI, Will I have issues running stuff four years down the line? Maybe? We don't know. But the thing is the RTX Cards are a step up with promising tech being supported for games to come. Hold your torch back and wait till we ACTUALLY GET some RTX enabled games coming late november.
Also Founders editions are always overpriced. Gotta love enthusiast cards.
@@sirbraxton9386 thanks to you boost 3.0, pretty much any aib 1080 (I can only think of 2 outliers ATM, a zotac and an msi) could beat any 980 ti. It was only those 2 cards and FE cards (which were reference/stock cards) that couldn't.
@@D.Xanders the 700 series was just a node shrink and process refinement of the 600 series, they were the same tech (both Maxwell series cards). The 1000 series was all but confirmed to be a node shrink of 900 series cards, because when accounting core for core and clock for clock, the performance of the cards were nearly the same. The node shrink just allowed for much higher clock speeds, and in the case of the 1080 and 1080 ti, allowed for more cores
BUT MUH RTX COARS!!!!
I'll just go with the the 1080ti like I did because $700-800$ then one for 1000$ is a bit excessive for almost remotely same performance with little features and what it claims it can do, and usually brand new graphics card don't do well usually, faulty or don't last well till the first few manufacturing to get the kinks out, just wait till its cheaper is the better bet or the next model.
What about the use in Machine learning? The RTX 2080 has more TFLOPS than the 1080ti and Tensor cores capable of more algorithm calculations, while being almost as cost efficient. Overall, the 2080ti is not nearly as cost efficient but has more performance. Can you chime in on this?
*_the plAstic is still on there_*
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I don't know why this comment is not at the top.
Its like whats happening in the console world. Can't even get 1080p 60fps and yet they are worried about getting 4k? like really? Screw graphics and just make good games.
Shawn should look up the word irony while he's at it.
Shawn learn to read fucking flame kid
To be fair frame rate is more determinant based on computer processing power and not graphics card power.
Even on pc, screw 4k gaming at moment, price per performance doesn't worth it, especially with Nvidia having a monopoly, I just watched a DF video where fanboys are arguing which console sucks more at "4k" x or pro. I would take 60fps 1080p quality gameplay over anything else.
Anaruz Anir exactly. Hardly anyone has 4k. 1080p@60fps should be standard by now
Hybrid lighting sounds good ie rast with Rt on top to keep things fast. Would be good if it could change the mix on the fly depending on fps.
To be fair, that would lead to massive visual disparities as the game switches.
Would you consider running ray trace test inside of unreal engine. Because I've seen nvidia work closely with unreal recently and maybe this release is more so for the developer enthusiast. Aswell as the gaming enthusiast. I'm a recent Game Art graduate So I'd be more than happy to see that test
Just checked some of our australian stores, it is a minimum $1400 for a 2080 (not TI). That is actually an insane price for a graphics card, You can literally buy a full pc with a gtx 1060 6gb for that price right now...
With a ryzen 2600x and 1070...
Australians have more $ than sense
Most don't, we just get shafted with price. I won't be buying a card this generation and i could afford it easily.
Ausy money is funny money so its the same price as here
Dude if feel so bad for you guys down under. It seems like you have to pay an insane mark up on literally everything that isn't from your continent.
Ohhh HERE WE GO BOYS GET THE POPCORN
SAMEEEEEE
Now we can pop the popcorn on the cards POGCHAMP
@Max Pain that's a bug, apparently tget are working on a fix.
So, yeah this review was next to useless, wtf Nvidia?
You bring new technologies to the table which is amazing and kinda rare now a days but then fuck up the execution which you normally do quite well.....
R T X
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Max Pain WINTER IS COMING
Is that a Valhalla on the desk behind you?
Nvidia doing Early acces grafhic card release!? wtf...
Did you get an early release of english
@@TannerKing Lmao
I'd rather buy a 1080ti and spend the rest on booze and cocaine
not a bad choice
Please concider your local single moms as well
Deff the way to go
Booze and cocaine was the original RTX. So I think you're set
Best comment so far.
The only reason i am excited is because prices on the 10 series cards are going down so i will be able to buy a 1070 😮
Better make it quick. Demand will increase on the 1080 ti. Prices may dip for a bit, but will hold firm as more are sold.
Pwnag3Inc how far do prices dip at around Black Friday area?
I ask cause I’m building first pc soon then
I'm extremely happy with my 1070, easily runs ultra on every game I've thrown at it. I don't feel any FOMO here.
Misty Diablo Normally, I would advise, but this year has not been normal for GPU prices. Theoretically, they should be substantially cheaper, but don't hold your bets on that.
Zuon94 aw that sucks, I hear there’s lots of Crypto miners...
Hopefully I can find a good deal on a gtx 1070 ti ftw2 at either Best Buy or Amazon
Returns at stores way better then online..
Linus leaning on that aio radiator gave me cornea health complications
All reviews of the GTX cards are mixed at best. However, whats that for a wrist watch Linus wears?
Damn the 2080 TI has a crazy power consumption. Now my mom is going to beat my ass for wasting all that electricity down here in the basement.
That's why you keep your 1080ti and move out.
@@tokashi1 that's why you don't spend 1k on a gpu and instead rent your own apartment
doesn't it have the same as 1080 ti - 250 watts?
If you have money for 2080ti you have money for electricity!
Unless you live in a hot country where you're constantly cooling the building, it won't be wasted.
_grim reminders of PhysX_
-I remember using it quite often-
Honestly thou, all I ever did was open the bundled demo like once and then never used it ever again
Yeah, the only games that I can remember that used PhysX are Planetside 2 and Borderlands 2, kind of sad it was completely abandoned.
you all should read this www.codercorner.com/blog/?p=2013
I love PhysX but I have seen the light. Nvidia doing this again is going too far.
Unreal Tournament 3
i think perhaps at the time of this video, Microsoft's DXR api has not yet been released. Nvidia's schedule was just a little sooner than Microsoft's October release of the api. So there was really no way of seeing the Ray-tracing side of things until then.
not sure if you still monitor older videos...but I have a lingering question. At what point does increased GPU performance make up for the lack of additional v-ram? My case is this: Currently with a GTX770-4gb v-ram card, I am looking at an upgrade. I have always followed the "more v-ram is better" school of thought. So does a 2080(non TI) with 8gb v-ram work better than a 1080TI with 11gb v-ram?
I'm pretty happy with my 970 and didn't have any plans on upgrading to a RTX series and I'm happy for it. I just really hope AMD gets something in the market in order to compete with Nvidia I'm honestly sick of their what I see as a genuine monopoly.
Vega ftw
Yeah same...and nvidia is surely taking advantage of us . AMD should come up with something because this is the right time to compete with Nvidia
Gašper Čarman aye nice I got a 970 too! EVGA GTX 970 4gb SC
Same. Never had a graphics card as long as now (3 and a half years) but I'm not paying the same amount for the card as every other component added up (and I'm talking i7, 16GB DDR4). Also, watch out: while Linus shows performance increases, most other sources show IDENTICAL performance between GTX 1080 and RTX 2080. It's now the time to get a GTX 1080 before prices go up due to people realizing the RTX is a bust.
Im still happy with my r9 280x and im playing on 2k :D
* 1080Ti still being killer GPU *
Thanks
Yeah needed that confirmation
@@matoo509 So is any gpu sli, only certain games it's worthwhile, just not worth it really
@Larry Snyder you could with a single 1080ti
+Matoo is that good or bad? Some people eat ass.
1080 Ti will be enough, as long as you're not on 4K, for quite some time, I think.
But we do want ray tracing, of course....
I'm still on an normal 1080, though. I have to go "medium settings" to get 100fps on my 3440x1400 monitor. :/
Nice KSP space music in the intro
Best way to test a 2080 ti card: ARK 1000X SERVER