The Last Response | @Jouelzy
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2021
- After this, I am no longer engaging with any anti-intellectual movement that seeks to make personal attacks from spaces of anonymity.
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⇢ Critique of Kaep Petition:
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⇢ Conflict is Not Abuse by Sarah Schulman: jouz.es/conflict-not
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⇢ Patreon Interview on Call Out Culture w/ Bry Reed jouz.es/call-out-cul
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⇢ Interview w/ Josie Duffy Rice on Abolition/Defunding: • Why Should We Defund P...
⇢ Sexual Trauma (Gumroad): jouz.es/sex-intv
⇢ Patreon videos:
⇢ Sex from trauma to pleasure: jouz.es/sex-intv-michelle
⇢ Men are Terrrorist, So How Do We Deal?: jouz.es/men-terrorist-dating
⇢ The Circle & Misogynoir: jouz.es/pat-misogynoir
SBG Book Club References
⇢ Dr. Patricia Hill Collins Interview: • Author Chat w/ Dr. Pat...
⇢ Black Feminist Thought syllabus: bit.ly/bft-sybs
⇢ Black Feminist Thought Book: jouz.es/bft-book
⇢ Hood Feminism by Mikki Kendall: jouz.es/hf-book
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@@tokoviastarot take care of yourself. Love you 💕
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Jouelzy, as your latina reviewer, i want to thank you for all the research and time you take to educate yourself and others. You're a gorgeous woman... beauty and a beast!
love from texas 🤘🏼
You think youre better than DSBW so sad. Go create a space for LSBW and stop impeding on our spaces.
@@saraleakes210 This doesn't even make sense 😒
I don't know what this is about but I know you look fly sis.
amen.
I love you Kat! So happy seeing you around. Love the content on your vids! ❤
AF. Fly AF.
Hey Kat!!!!
PERIODT
It’s very hard to have dispassionate policy-and-institution-centered discussion on platforms that reward hyperbole, unaccountability, estrangement and context-free-reframe as a business.
The impossibility of civil discourse and cosmopolitan thought is a social media design choice. Michael Brooks was right: We must be ruthless to systems but kind to individuals. Regrettably, the wealth extracted from social media is built from user behavior that is ruthless to individuals and kind to systems.
Wholeheartedly agree and I am a little triggered because I don’t think people truly know how dangerous social media is. My education in marketing has ruined me.
Amazing comment! 👏🏾👏🏾
This is a wonderful comment and by a black UA-cam legend himself
THEE Chocolate Rain!!
This is maybe my favorite comment I’ve ever read on UA-cam wow
This feels like high school drama.
Sad but true.
I hate when you ladies have to be in these moments. I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for black women to speak, disagree but engage in a discussion, and just grow.
Jouelzy looking like a true southern belle.
Ok! She looks stunning.
Yes she is 💜
Shoot. The thumbnail is the reason I clicked. She looks gorgeous 😍
Frlll
Jouelzy is beautiful without a doubt, but southern belles immediately bring up an image of racist slave owning or slavery defending white women for me
Ladies, the only way we will be able to unite is by listening to black women’s experiences and concerns from all skin tones. We cannot dismiss experiences, we must listen and empower one another, especially dark skinned experiences and feedback, as they are the most oppressed and disregarded.
@Tyson's Speech Impediment Your display picture!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@cherlebiscuite yes she has, she has talked and listened about the topic of colorism many many times
@@Kevin-rg3yc You're easy to fool.
@@cherlebiscuite literally zero. And it’s rich coming from a lighter skinned black woman that’s claims to be for black women. Like how you gonna jump head first into the stereotype of a colorist but claim to be feminist and pro black? Make it make sense.
Baby you are dating a white man….be quiet.
This is a mess. Personally, whether you agree with the image being there/abolition or not, I think BW should stay on code and support each other. No, we are not a monolith, but the majority of BW online were upset by the cover art. While we must have our own beliefs, we must recognize that there are BW tired, victims and hurt by being used and ignored. We should listen to them and learn why they are upset. No matter what, BW are victims of racism and patriarchy and we must have empathy and compassion for one another.
Do u think light skin black women care 😂?
This is the reason why the black community lose
@@himetilsits1936 yes, I care
@@Maverickgouda yeah the 15% =100%🙂👏🏾
Great comment. Totally agree.
100% watch all the girls 👧🏾 I’ll take what I want from each of it applies.
Side note: Girl, you look like ALL of Spring right now. GORGEOUS! I LOVE this look, you look so refreshed and bright.
The issue is this for me: Now that unambiguous black females are trying to establish what a black woman is and to define our identity, all of a sudden, it is a problem.
Biracial and multi racial women have never done anything to remove themselves from overrepresentation. If that were true, then we really wouldn’t have the problem the problem we have today. At this point, whether you want to identify it as binary thinking or not, many black women no longer want to be your stepping stools, nor do we want you to feel comfortable speaking for us first. You know you do not represent that majority of what an unambiguous black woman with two black parents looks like, so you shouldn’t be running to speak for us. It is the inability to unseat yourself from your thrown and pedestal to become what you should have been all along… AN ALLY.
Your Pokémon black woman ball is gone. Stop winding up and throwing out your dark skinned unambiguous wide nosed females to fight your battles. It has been over used and we are deactivating the balls. Throw yourself out there about only what represents you. Stop calling all black woman to do anything. We don’t want to. Go to black men first. Go to biracial and multi racial individuals who MAY or MAY NOT identify as black. I don’t care how they identify AS LONG AS you are not calling me TO SERVE you. Serve yourself. Work for yourself. And I’m not longer asking and saying “please” and “thank you”. That’s all. It’s not a big deal. You who are used to mammies serving you while pretending you have black woman problems is ridiculous. Light skinned, and multi racial or biracial woman, DO NOT have the same health outcome and treatment in hospitals as dark skinned and brown skinned unambiguous black women. There is no “WE”. There is YOU and there is ME. That’s it. Best of luck and may you learn how to be an ally.
Like, when Frederick Douglas and the like were ok with women who look like you ENJOYING luxury, please believe they had a PROBLEM with unambiguous black women enjoying what they willingly gave to you. We do not and have not historically had the same experience. And to ignore that fact is just gaslighting and intellectual violence.
Black women defining black as “having 2 black parents” in no way shape or form should be problematic. Black women should not be held accountable for other groups feelings, but our own. Rashida Jones is not me. And I am not her. We do not share identities of being “black women” when all of us are not black. Some people want to be black because they like privilege. They are sadists and narcissists. But, do you. Don’t ask me to work for you. I don’t work for you.
How about black women that have two black parents. Two brown skinned parents... and look ambiguous. As an islander where this is the norm. And moving to America where they judge you and assume they know what you are and where you come from.... the whole shit is a mess. AA’s have a lot of work to do coming together. Too hung up on the light skin bs dark skin crap in my opinion. Yes there is a place and time for it but it gets over blown in my opinion. I say this with love because I never EVER had this problem where I come from or in my family. We aren’t raised that way. I see myself in my dark skinned parents, my cousins, my aunts and uncles and it is what it is. I am a Black woman who comes from a rich black African culture and no one in my family or country sees me differently because some recessive European genes I inherited by the luck of the draw because our grandmothers were raped for multiple generations. Now when it comes down to being biracial that is a whole other ball game, but over HERE we get lumped together and it isn’t cute. I don’t know one white relative. It’s about how people carry themselves, if they know their history and if they know how to support their fellow community in the right ways no matter how we present in the world. Also, AA’s have it messed up because the country you are in is European centered due to being a minority. Not all of us are the standard of beauty in majority black countries. Yes you can be cute but no one is thinking you are special because you have European features of our oppressors. We all stem from the trans Atlantic slave trade. So I see AA’s as my long lost cousins and I wish that everyone could just come together because that unity being nurtured is half the battle. Take the advice from someone who comes from a country where we have achieved that. The white man created this awareness of skin tone and divided y’all on purpose... so you could be exactly where you are today. Divided, and not focusing on strength in numbers and taking down the real enemy. At the end of the day, in America the white man has been allowed to set the beauty standard. Get at the source.
Thank u. This is so well put together!!!
She is not mixed
@@deee3950 Okay clearly you don't get it. I am I have two black parents who both have two black parents and I am light skin. Try again thinking that black people don't come in all different colors and shades. Chattel slavery introduced new complexions to black culture. I'll even agree to the arguement that those complexions are valued more by society( fuck those people, am I right? But I digress) but to say that we're not black is disrespectful to the fact that my grandmother literally died with the third grade education because she did not qualify to go to white schools. But go off about how we're not black and have no understanding of the black experience because our skin isn't as dark as beautiful ebony. I will say this though maybe I'm biased maybe growing up with a light skin mother who married a dark man and thinks dark skin is the most gorgeous thing has made me biased🤷🏾♀️
Chile, nothing stays private on the internet. NOTHING! As a light skinned woman, it was not your place to speak on the language of the petition. Your image was not used on that cover. Those other feminist creators might agree with the petition because their image was used. 🤷🏾♀️
She actually agreed with the petition and didn’t believe a dark skin black woman should be the face she was confused on rather the person making the petition was darker skinned tone and critiqued the creator’s narrow minded thoughts on prison abolition
Exactly
@@Kevin-rg3yc NONE of that was her place to do. Thanks!
@@baddapplesauce how so?? As a black woman she can’t comment or critique the poster either wtf y’all are delusional
@@Kevin-rg3yc it's none of y'alls place to do. Not even you. Because none of you face the same issues that DSBW face on a daily basis. If you are not an ally, just MYOFB...
I have no clue what drama is going on, or who is bothering you, but I clicked on your video because you are beautiful as a summer day.
Commenting to let you know and also for the algorithm.
"I know that Mercury is in microbraids right now"
I needed that laugh
Unfortunately, a lot of the points that you made in your initial video didn’t accurately address the actual petition concerns & somehow you pulled the whole “women in luxury” social media fad into the debate as a focal point (which was kinda weird tbh because I read the petition). I’ve actually watched this video twice because I hadn’t heard about this whole debacle so I was curious and wanted to check out both sides. I had immediately surmised there was probably alot of misunderstanding involved & I would say I was right after listening to the other person’s live & replay of the actual points you made in your initial video. Unfortunately there was already a lot of bad blood & egos involved so all of this was inevitable. Everyone seems to be reacting off dislike & pure emotions for the other party
Nowadays it's a crime to have an actual opinion. Dialogue and debate just doesn't exist. As far as I'm concerned you've always given thought provoking content. Keep on, keep keeping on girl!
Girl bye.
"Y'all are gonna have to deal with y'all own homophobia"
Miss ma'am, where is the lie?
@NotYourMule . you think “pick me” refers to black women who want to be picked by...gay men? Is that what you just said?
@NotYourMule . also, black women be gay too. So who should cape for us then?
I love that one of the content creator tried to praise/use your name and channel to tear down on jouelzy but you’re here supporting and agreeing with jouelzy 😂😂😂😂✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
@@qgray9309 Make it make sense!! Not being homophobic somehow equals caping for gay men??? It's borderline incoherent
@NotYourMule . girl shut your bitter ass up and get some therapy. Pickme is you following toxic femininity content whose sole purpose is to get "high value" men. Ma'am take your ass on somewhere.
You lack the intellectual bandwidth to have this conversation. Hence all you've done was comment unintelligible babble and attacks.
The screenshot at the end is absolute everything! Well said ma'am!
It's giving boundaries, it's giving temperament, wisdom, class. You look good af btw 👑✨
I sat here for the whole 40 minutes. I'm sorry this happened to you. "Illusion of righteousness" ✓ Righteousness is not starting drama, where there can be conversation.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Pick me DSBW
@@saraleakes210 Love you too, sis 🤎
The ending....I screamed out loud! That was amazing!
She said we can’t even get a limb or manicured hand 😂
😂😂😂 DAMN and that’s facts
But we really can't. Like girl how is your platform based off of beauty and we don't see anything.
And it needed to be said 😄
She did post her hand once a couple years back. This is when I followed her. Interestingly enough, for a woman who fat shames often, she did not have the hand or wrist of a slender woman.
@@cyrc94 THIS
Done and DONE! I'm right there with the people who have no idea what is going on, but you response could not have been any more compassionate, and clear for those in the know. I hope to continue to develop my on communication skills so that I may face conflict as gracefully as you have.
Just want to send some love your way! I deeply appreciate you and your commitment to the community. Your work coupled with SBJ’s amazing cohort as shifted so many things for me and the folk I commune with. Forever grateful to you and will always support!
Classy and compassionate. That’s why we appreciate you sis
I'm really glad you took the time to respond appropriately, instead of jumping to defensive mode. Sometimes it's really about the energy you bring.
Exactly 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
This!!!
You kept this response so so classy, and I love it!
This was done with such grace and empathy all while standing ten toes down on your stances! 👏🏾
Skincare routine? Because the skin is looking vibrant, smooth and healthy.
I'ma let you finish, but I just need you to know that you look absolutely beautiful!
I heard this in Kanye interrupting Taylor Swift at the Grammys voice. Lol!!
@@gideonTeli That is exactly what I was going for! LOL
Imma let chu finish, Imma let chu finish.
Side note: Your book club recommendations have been great reads!! Currently reading "When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost"
One of the things I appreciate the most about your content is that it's backed up by research and engagement with experts and people who have done real work in their fields, in addition to your own lived experience. Everything is rooted in real, good faith understanding rather than knee-jerk reactiveness or pandering, which shows you respect your audience's intelligence. I've been watching since the natural hair video days and your evolution as a content creator speaks for itself. You are doing GREAT work. This was an excellent response to this unfortunate situation.
Tbh humans are so reactionary & caught up in their own opinions, they may be subconsciously threatened by how much work Joulzey has done & puts into her research, her knowledge, her education & relaying her perspective. It’s terribly sad bc we cry out for people to “do the work/do the research” & now we have somebody who’s done the work + brings their work cited (tbh a favor to us all) but people are so caught up in their dissonance, they don’t engage w what’s actually being said.
@@TheAmazinRaven 💝💝
@@TheAmazinRaven Well said.
Alternate title to this video:
I'm Not New To This I'm True To This.
Basically ✊🏾
Pretty much
I've been subscribed to you for years and know you always come with receipts (citations, references), which the average person does not do. It's a learned skill to critical think which includes reevaluating your stance, being willing to take in other prospectives, and open to learning. I love that you extended grace to yourself and others.
Jouelzy, one of the things I appreciate about your platform is you give room for learning and unlearning. You acknowledge that life has nuances that should not be forced to fit into one box. You breakdown how complicated our held beliefs can be and that it is ok that they are not perfect as long as we are committed to growing. Many people are not used to this level of thoughtfulness and introspection when it comes to content on social media these days because everyone just wants a quick hit of buzz words and ideas.
Thank you for being intentional about your content and creating space for those of us that want to engage in these thoughtful discussion about our diverse politics.
I can feel the hurt in this video and I understand completely how you feel. There’s so much I want to bring up but I do appreciate the time you put to explain yourself. I understand how that can be emotionally draining. As you stated murmurous of times outrage is profitable.
yes, some of these others are profiting off of black womens outrage while jouelzy profits off of actually educating and helping black women
Im so bored of seeing black women attack each other. The real issue is not this! gaaahhhh why do people always try you so randomly?
That was a beautiful 40 mins. i loved every minute of this response!
JOULZY SAID “You wanna SEE the mess? YOU PAY FOR IT!”
@@inoasf9075 If she is, how would she even extricate herself from that system entirely while living within it?
The idea that it's hypocrisy for people living within a flawed system to talk about those flaws and possible solutions to them while having to live within said system is strange.
@@inoasf9075 I haven't seen the original video on her patreon so idk if thats what she was saying at all but I don't see the hypocrisy in taking issue with the flaws of capitalism whilst living in a capitalist society. Discussing and seeking solutions to the issues in our own society is the only way improvements ever happen.
@@inoasf9075 Then you should have zero issue with Jouelzy since she doesn't bash any black woman for participating in capitalism. If you engage in her work on any real level, you would know that. Her point is to attack the system. She never attacks Black people, especially Black women.
@@inoasf9075 She's never attacked Black women apart of the "luxury" movement. She has attacked how they treat other Black people and the violent rhetoric they spew to Black women not apart of of movement and LGBTQ folks. As she should. And if you agree with that kind of homophobia, transphobia, and just pure nastiness, Jouelzy was never your cup of tea anyway.
@@inoasf9075 She's attacks SYSTEMS. What part of that is difficult for you to understand??? Homophobia is a system. Transphobia is a system. Violence against Black people is a system. If you're engaging in the perpetuation of said system, that's on you. But she has never attacked the "Black women in luxury" movement. That's not a system and it's not part of her politic to attack Black people specifically even if they disagree with her. This is not rocket science, hun. I promise it's easy to understand.
I f' with all 3 creators. Its shameful a patreaon/fan made this so inflammatory. They knew it would set flames to sh*t.
Who are the other two creators 😭
They just did what she does
I don't see anything wrong with you having a conversation with people on both sides of an argument to see where you stand.
I'm happy that you think that Colin Kapernick shouldn't be writing a book about Prison Abolition without people involved in the Prison Abolitionist Movement nor should he have Black Women, especially Brown-Skinned or Dark-Skinned Black Women, as his cover when they aren't even involved in his book. ❤
If dark skin black women can't see that they don't deserve to be the face of "struggle", And that Colin kaepernick's book is not elevating them by just using them as a picture of struggle, I don't know how to help...
Whew the last slide. And that’s that on that.
I want to also chime in and say that I appreciate your approach to this topic and all of the topics you discuss on your channel. So much of UA-cam is reactionary and pandering for eyeballs and engagement and you always take the time to provide a grounded, researched take on the issues. Please continue to do what you do!
Perfect timing!!!!
Idk anything about the drama, I’m just here to say I appreciate your strive to keep things affordable and accessible. I’ve learned sooo much from the various discussions on here 🙌🏽
Although this my come across as condescending....I'm proud of you. As a woman of a certain age, it brightens my heart to see younger women grow and learn while teaching and leading. You are doing good work. I have watched your videos through the years and have enjoyed pondering on a lot of your commentary. My daughters, nieces, granddaughter and sister-friends have received Smart Brown Girl giftage. Keep striving. I pray God's hedge of protection around you. (Yup...that's how we do.)
I had no idea all of this was happening, but as a FORMER avid watcher of both of the people you’re discussing, all I can say is that I’m SO glad I’ve grown beyond feeling like I needed to think the way they do. Also, the homophobia, transphobia, and White supremacist rhetoric they BOTH spew is actually very very very concerning considering how many Black women follow them so seriously.
Idk exactly who this is about, but I’m worried I’m still subscribed to at least one of those people 😭
@@Bee-oe1vi they’re both the hyper femininity channels -pm and c, if that helps. Both their names are blocked so I can’t type them out. Sorry 😅
@@kweenz600 i had a feeling it was them. I actually follow them and like their content so I'm disappointed that they have engaged in this type of behaviour towards Jouelzy. I'm not on any of their patreons so I don't know the details of the drama but I'm rethinking following them now.
Their platforms are extremely alienating if you are a queer black woman? Fat black woman, trans black woman, or an ally of any of those groups
@@TeeNaNa2 she needs therapy and she never all of her content is anecdotal and hyperbolic. No evidence based research. Just unresolved trauma spewed into the UA-cam masses.
Joulzey is doing so much work and this is what they decide to nitpick. Y’all know she don’t have an issue with dark skin. Pick your battles wisely.
Reading some of these comments shows me that not everybody who follows you is for you. Joulzey got a lot of hate watchers.
@@AJ-tk7ps right like the wench who commented above
@@alysha11226 all yet paid subs are DSBW......who told you that? 🤣😂🤣
Then she needs to stop deleting our comments defending ourselves if she doesn't have an issue because she doesn't have a problem keeping the comments that paint us in a negative light.
@@kmarcol1 You're DEFENDING HER. I'm talking about the comments that defend dsbw when people comment how they're against her because she's lightskin which is not the case.
I’m confused… the UA-camr you’re referring to never “defended the police”. That’s misconstruing her words. She was for reform not abolishment.
"Reform" as a deterrent to abolition is a defense of the police.
@@jouelzy More like a defense of the people.....let's be real...imagine abolishing police....whew chile
@@jouelzy we defend the police
You realize by abolish they mean adding in people who are actually equipped with the tools to do wellness and psych checks. You realized reforms have NEVER worked. It is absolutely a defense of the organization. The people are defended by the blue line that gets them off and gets them sympathy like yours. Yikes. Maybe read “The New Jim Crow” and try again
Chile I'm so glad u waited bc you WELL worth the wait !!💖
I’m appalled. I’m a dark skinned woman who has been following you since you appeared as a natural hair UA-camr back in the day and now a member of your book club. No one and I mean NO ONE on UA-cam is doing the work like you. You’re on some scholarly PhD effort level work. They are being lazy clout chasers and need to sit down!
You must not be on UA-cam frequently, because there are dozens of Black women (especially dark skin woman) that does this exact same work and more. I have suggestions if you want.
@@tahtz20 please list some sis!
@@tahtz20 I’m sorry but no one is doing the extensive work like Jouelzy that’s actually impacting the community outside of UA-cam chatter, but like she says in the video her achievements and range are not to be used as a value system against other Black women. But yes, I’m on UA-cam more than I should be and I follow other Black Women whose views fall on the opposite side of the spectrum in various ways.
@@tahtz20 it’s going to be a both/and for me, but I’d love to support others along with Jouelzy.
@@Itsme_1648 I love Joulzy, but I don’t want to disregard other hard workers like Kimberly Nicole and what she’s contributed with her ForHarriott channel or even grass roots work of so many others I can pinpoint.
The other creator likes to argue... Not debate or have an intelligent agree to disagree type of discussion. If you disagree with them they go live to drag you. Their content confused me at times. ..glad to see you respond in such a thoughtful manner.
Some people don’t know how to conduct a peaceful debate with someone.👩🏻⚖️🗃⚖️
Who are they?
What creator are you guys talking about
@@pattycannon1804 exactly! It's unfortunate
@@talkswithali Their names are blocked on here so yall are just going to have to search UA-cam. Some gossip channels have discussed it so it shouldn't be hard
I was hearing some things but couldn’t believe what THEY were saying bc knowing Jouelzy as a subscriber AND ME NOT SEEING THE VIDEO IN QUESTION. I’m glad you spoke on this to clear things up.
“Diverse range of opinions” 🙄C’mon now, the whole commentary that you made concerning the Kapernick petition conflated with Black women in luxury which was completely misguided in the first place.
This situation is unfortunate. I like, enjoy, RESPECT and support all 3 of you brilliant black women.
I Stan you Sis, I may not agree on everything you say or stand for but I've watched you grow throughout this UA-cam space since around 2010 and have always appreciated your point of view and you're ability to articulate your ideas, theories etc... I live in the Caribbean , 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹 to be specific and while at this time I can't support your content financially ( though I bought your book when it came out, things we're " better" then) I will support you with likes and clicks and watching your free content all the way through until better can be done. Love you sis. Keep growing, learning, teaching and thriving @jouelzy!
I can't even get through the video yet without acknowledging your beauty! You are stunning with your many looks, Jouelzy!
I love your channel. It's always filled with evidence based content.
This buzz reminds me of the time when you talked about texture discrimination whew you know how to stir the pot ❣️
I don’t know what this is even about but I love you sis and hope you will continue to flourish 😘
I dont think any one of you are really listening to eachother. I listen to all three of you and I find value in all your content. The video she referred to didn't even sound like your normal content I was surprised at some of your talking points. She should have waited until she cooled down before responding her anger overshadowed her arguments. Mentioning someone by name that you already had a mild beef with is kind of messy and opens the door for them to jump on. All 3 of you need to do a better job of resisting your ego. This comment is coming from a subscriber who respects you as a content creator and a woman.
Jouelzy, I have no specific comment about the situation because I didn’t watch the referenced video. But your response is graceful, which I appreciate. Love your content!
It's that last slide for me 🤣🤣 Honestly though, you articulated yourself beautifully Jouelzy!!
"You believe in the police state, utilize the system you champion for."~Jouelzy 2021. And that is that.
Lord, what is going on now. Why can't we all agree to disagree. People being messy again in this UA-cam streets...shm. Jouelzy loving the look.
Facts! On both points 😉 but it's okay to disagree, civilly.
as always, informative and thought-provoking video. you've expanded so many perspectives for the better, continue to protect your peace!
The first person seemed genuinely upset, but then got irrational and went on tangents while accusing you of doing the same. Ending up lost in the sauce. The second person just wanted to be up in some drama. Both engage in commentary (some I enjoy, most I don't) but take everything at face value and do no research. So they get upset when anyone does dig deeper and throw titles at them that they see as negative. The weirdest thing to me is they hate "feminism" but tell women they need to have their own. What movements do they think have granted modern women freedoms our grandmothers didn't have? I also don't understand calling people elitist and classist, while pushing Hypergamy and Black Women in Luxury. What kind of people do they think make a minimum of six figures, buy luxury goods, and travel to high end resorts? I don't need to agree with everyone I watch, but I dip out on their content for months at a time because I lose patience when people are constantly contradicting themselves.
Let them tell it luxurious goods and travel to high end resorts are the perks that come from light skinned privilege. I honestly think if they could they’d exclude everyone lighter than a brown bag out of the black community.
Excellent observation!
@@ladysnowblood9320 I see we're just making stuff up. Because how did you come to this conclusion?
@@MissTeaq I’m confused. I though dsbw were the ones pushing for the black girl luxury movement on their channels?
@@ladysnowblood9320 y’all gotta cut this out 😂 it’s silly now. Do you think every Black feminist is huddled in dark corners reading feminist literature around a single candle, never emerging for food or a manicure? Ppl can enjoy their lives and still wish their and other people’s lives were better and more fair. It’s walking and chewing gum babe, it’s not that hard.
Why do y’all keep pushing this “y’all just wanna struggle” narrative like you can’t see other self-proclaimed Black feminists enjoying their lives? Leave your corner of the internet, there’s so much out here!!
Whew you came through with a word at 28:38-29:19 (clapping gif).
You handled it classy and elegantly and addressed the subscriber who started it. No one else needs to make another video speaking on it trying to get likes, subscribers and views. Hopefully the creators really listens to what you said and think about the rhetoric and low key/high key hate they push moving forward. I absolutely agreed with the pushback on the language in the petition.
I'm not on social media so I really enjoy having a community of intelligent black women who can share their perspectives on cultural and political topics. I thought the other videos were misunderstandings so I tried to add nuance and commented on the good of having diverse discussions without reducing one another's arguments to bad faith critiques. It did not go well lol.
With that being said, I really appreciate your content and hope that you can continue moving forward without being weighed down by the drama. I honestly believe, no matter our differences in opinion, the women in these great spaces should try to be as charitable as we can to each other OR stay 'on code' (silent), in the public square.
I hope your clarification of having an open dialogue on these weighty topics - not individuals (which was obvious to me), can allow people to move on.
Great content as always, thanks for sharing.
All dolled up. Looking good
That final screenshot!!!!
Its really those creators followers that concern me. A LOT of the women that follow them seem to need therapy. I mean that in a serious way.
We all need therapy lol
@@Myaccount923 facts🤣
@@Myaccount923 oh most definitely. But it seems as if the people over here admit it. People like Jouelzy have talked about going to therapy and her openness about it is helpful.
Over there they don't. They literally think it's normal and healthy to weaponize things like the criminal justice system or White mens wealth against Black people.
I did try to watch a video from one of the content creators she was talking about but I couldn't get through it. It's full of a bunch of misinterpretations of other racial/ethnic groups behaviors compared to black people's to put down Black man. Like, over there they literally ignore history and try to weaponize other races of mans behavior against Black men and in the process still get things about other groups of people wrong. In the video she literally sais Asian women get to be submissive because their men create infrastructure that serve them, as if perceived submissiveness from Asian women is ALWAYS a choice... despite the fact that Asian women have been talkin extensively about how patriarchy and sexism within their varying cultures put women in a position of being truly subservient to men, that the idea of what we Americans perceive as "submissive" is not a choice but rather a much complained about gender dynamic that Asian women have to deal often leaving them responsible for doing most of the housework, child-rearing, keeping quiet about and assult and also expected to work jobs. But to a group of black women who only want to talk about other cultures to weaponize things against black man, the youtuber really doesn't care about the real lived experiences of Asian women & what they have to go through.
A lot of these content creators are simply making this contentl because they know right now on social media there is a collective group of black women who want to find all types of spaces to commiserate about how much the world hates them and how much black men in particular hate them. These types of videos are a gold mine for those trying to get views. The sad thing is there are a lot of people watching these videos who are traumatized by their life experiences but don't see themselves as being traumatized. Unlike you, me and Jouelzy....THEY DONT KNOW THEY NEED THERAPY. They think "divesting" and dragging "dusty" Black men its gonna heal them😬
They really do. They walk around with huge chips on their shoulders and think it justifies them being nasty towards everyone
I AGREE!!! A lot of the creators have good ideas and points but the 'FOLLOWERS' ( not just subscribers, but followers), can be incredibly toxic and hurt. I feel so sad sometimes reading through the comments on those videos😢
I found you at the very beginning of my natural hair journey. And stumbled into realizing that that what I really needed was to dismantle internalized colorism/featurism in order to learn how to do my hair. You've been anti colorist from the beginning. I'm struggling to understand how this all began. 😑 The math ain't mathing.
Sawrah!!!! I'm so glad you responded. I've been trying to follow on Twitter but I didn't see the original video on your patreon.
The last image said it all 🤣❤️
I’m here for the content but had to comment and say JOUELZY YOU LOOK GORGEOUS SIS!!!!!!! Ard now I’m listening!
Update:
THIS IS WHY I SUBSCRIBE! Great video!
Well said as always!
You look stunning! And haters gonna hate! Keep talking that ish!!! We needs these discussions. You’re a blessing to so many and gifted us with so much over the years.
Jouelzy, I cant even argue with no more people in comments cause imma catch a stroke lol . Please hear and know this: you’re integrity and politics can be seen all throughout your platforms period! We see and know you for your love and care and responsibility yo black folx. Its not even a question. At the same time, in recent years, I have seen you make an active effort to communicate to your audience that you arent above valid critique and take yourself to task when necessary.
This debacle is not an example of a time when you were in the wrong and needed to make any penance.
Over the years I have heard you say you have a polarizing personality, and years ago i remember watching your content and feeling that to be true. I used to think “shes brilliant and funny but I dont know if she likes people😂” a few years later, I feel the complete opposite and I credit that to the direction of your work and development of your politics. You are public facing, thoughtul, compassionate, and committed to an ethics of care and accountability for black people. Your audience of black people is inclusive of all marginalized identities. You’re on the right track and we’re right there with you. Forget all the nonsense. You’re doing just fine❤️
Emphasis on public facing considering some people have yet to go public with even an arm
Excellent response❤️
That last image👏🏾 And that's what happens when you critique what you don't/haven't engaged with.
Some people can't live without creating unnecessary drama with others.
But wasn't you under PM Livestream trash talking Joulzey? Cuz I sure was. She was dead wrong and you are two faced.
I just opened my phone to see what time it was (1:47 AM) and saw your radiance staring back at me. You always look good, Jouelzy, but here you are breathtaking! If anybody asks me what my personal aesthetic is, I'll just point them in this direction. Bc this loveliness (floral femininity with a touch of gold) is nourishment to my mind, eyes, skin, and inner essence. OK now that I know I'm not going to sleep and I'm done commenting for the algorithmic gods, gonna watch your video. Love you!
I have been following you for years. So when I heard your voice while watching the petitioner's video I was a bit shocked. But I knew there were no ill intentions and after listening to the video for about an hour it was confirmed. I was more turned off by her personally attacking you instead of critiquing your video. I will make a more conscious effort to support you in other ways because I do appreciate your videos. I'm not one for drama... so just keep up the good work girl.
Tell them Jouelzy!!!!!!!! I love your content and For Harriet. I have seen a recent attack on intellectual black women on UA-cam that is disturbing and made me afraid to upload content. I don't know what is going on the other side anymore. I can't even watch the content over there anymore.
I get the feeling people have just grown hostile to anything they (mis)perceive as impractical pedantic or elitist rhetoric.
Also in general the US has been experiencing a wave of anti-intellectualism since Trump era. We see this in calls to “stop critical race theory,” for example.
For Harriet is not for me. But I everyone has their thing
@@valeriecarre8967 I respect your opinion, but I'm just curious (if u feel like sharing): why is FH not for you?
@@valeriecarre8967 I disagree with a lot of your points, but thank you for sharing
I’ve noticed that a lot of them are moving real cult-y like, or is just me.
You.
Absolutely right! I have to continually check myself to make sure I am not being indoctrinated into one, they get you with the sisterhood trick but that’s not what they really stand for.
@@mssfchef when i tell you i live in this statement
Not just you at all.
I've noticed the last few years that it's getting wild. Like the femininity community was so different when it was just traditional women, then the women looking for a sponsor hijacked the movement and turned it into bashing any woman and man who don't fit their beliefs. Ironically, many of them don't themselves, which is why they use profile pics of models.
Idk who needs to hear this, but you can both be an activist and have an apartment.
Can you also be an activist and go on vacation and buy luxury items ?
Thank you 😂😂😂
@@nefbee1743 sure why not. Vacations are for everyone imo. What do you define as luxury items?
Sure but one doesn’t even have an apartment if I’m not mistaken
@@indi1omccoln565 - One doesn't own an apartment, but you can definitely have one. Just like you don't really own your kids, but you can have them. Having something is different from possessing it as an asset.
REASONING. RESEARCH. REFERENCES. RECEIPTS. RESPECT. MIC DROP.
Apparently, I’m not invested enough in UA-cam. 🥴
I, actually, signed that petition because I felt like the Black woman needed to be removed from the cover. Kaepernick* should’ve been the picture. Period! However, I know the beginnings of the American police and its system and that’s where I totally disagreed with her. As problematic as that is for Black women’s safety, the system as a whole doesn’t work for us. Truth be told, Black women being incarcerated has increased. So, yeah it’s a dub for moi. But, all of this went down after? Wowwww!
Side note: I never knew what SJW meant, but I thought to myself it sounds like something wypipo created. And look at that, it is. 😂
34:10 BIG PURRRRRR! Keep doing you! @jouelzy You are a much-needed and loved voice. Continue to stand in your excellence and keep pushing past opinions and narratives fueled by bad faith. SN: you look amazing! This look and your energy is a whole vibe
I saw the response video from the other content creator..I really like you both /use to like u both- I've been riding with you for years.. it really hurt my heart to see what happened♡ I felt you were objectively speaking your thoughts..which is fair you're unique and I love it
I don't know about this drama, but I can say that I appreciate our willingness to engage with your audience in a positive manner even when they disagree. I had an interaction with a popular pro black celebrity about a difference in opinion and it left me feeling torn to shreds to the point where I was unsure if I should continue to to be a fan. I am typically pro black everything, but some of your content has gotten me to think about am I willing to accept that in order to create a just society, I will have to be conscious of not taking on the worse traits of my oppressors and having understanding that they are too subjected to the function of white supremacy. For me, understanding that means that I can't just throw them away or choose not to listen. This did not go over well with the celeb lol. I wasn't blocked, but I got all caps responses. I appreciate the open dialogue you are willing to have and your safe space is definitely felt and appreciated.
The part where that content creator tried to come for your mental health was not cool. I was disgusted at the comments in the livestream. These women claim to care about bw but I guess that only applies to the ones they like and agree with them. And also, they hinted that the divested group (cult)/BW in luxury were being bullied by "SJWs" and "black feminists" but it looks to me like it's the other way around. I'm starting to see who the real bullies are.....
I was shocked too there was no respect/ zero.. felt real wild. And the picture too..man I look at that creator totally different now
Exactly. These women never seem to reflect of what they do that contributes to the criticism they receive. They treat anyone with a slightly different opinion from them like enemies, but get upset when they're called out.
I had a feeling that's who this was about :-/
Anyone that adheres to Eurocentric standards of beauty and capitalism will always be the bullies.
Those accusations continue to fail me. The vitriolic attacks against a group of women with certain views consistently come from women who claim to follow the black hypergamy/femininity etc “movements”. Because of how delusionally petty and sensitive some of the main creators are in said “movements”, they take every reasonable criticism as personal slights and run to their followers to whine and encourage them to the same. For all the talk about male-centered performative femininity, image and promotion, they sure love to partake in unfeminine *behaviors* and pettiness. And they attempt to dress it up as “dark” sides of femininity that one needs to exhibit in order to compete and protect themselves. This is just an attempt to present their personal flaws that aren’t seen as traditionally feminine as virtues that their followers should exhibit when needed.
Anytime someone makes valid points, they see it as a personal slight. They attack the woman’s appearance, call them SJW and feminists as if advocating for women’s rights should be taken as slights, and claim that the women are responsible for the downfall of BC/BW etc. How many BW have been able to get a “HVM” through their tips? How many BW will be able to get one? The math’s not there.
I've watched you for years. I'm someone who never comments but just watches and listens and in all honesty you absolutely amazing. Your growth is beautiful to watch. Please continue to shine ✨
Tbh I'm glad I've left this circle of womanhood back in 2017, it can foster a very malicious and gatekeepy environment towards anyone (and I mean ANYONE) who doesn't agree with their ideology.
I’m a supporter of the three of you creators. Y’all have helped me in many ways. I hate this drama but I understand where you’re coming from. I will continue to support y’all. You are glowing and look beautiful btw.
I’m so lost. Don’t even know what the Kaepernick cover drama is because I’m on a social media break.
A beautifully articulated response. Bravo.
I’m about halfway through your video. One thing I’m thinking about as I listen to you is the community of those people try to “call out” others and that’s why I can’t get with it. Call out with a lack of community and a relationship with that person does not land well and never will. That’s also something I believe you’ve named in videos before too.
I’m finally at the end and: you hit the nail on the head. Community is key.
I really appreciate the ways you engage your audience in research and nuanced perspectives. Your brand is consistent with messaging you are after so I’m unsure of the ways these people decided to come at you. This video as awesome
I take issue deeply how they have used my classmates name and her death in the last year to shame her IN DEATH! and continue to use her as a example point for their message THATS SO FUCKED UP !
I haven’t been on social media so IDK the tea, but girl you look phenomenal! Fine and fine again
I understand why you wanted to talk about and I support you. All the claims that have been made against you fall short from what I’ve seen but then again I don’t know you in real life I’m guessing those making the negative claims don’t know you either. I will continue to support!