How could you not realize Immigrant Black people come from lands exploited by western nations in the first place. And the leader of the pack, The United States Of America.
Black Americans didn't even know African was talking big stuff lmaoooo your a Democrat and I bet I'd Asian put of some stuff that say how a certain race sexual exploit them you would call them homophobic you coward women like you are what white people like black folk (black is a ethnic group) are getting bout tired its gonna reach the masses
I’m a black immigrant who has twice attended and work at an Ivy League institution. And I can say 99% of what you have said here is pure truth. Glad you differentiate the privilege too and the hierarchies even within the black immigrant groups, especially as a non-Jamaican anglo-caribbean black man. African Americans are given the short straw and black immigrants often turn a blind eye saying we are just better at holding our straws. It’s shameful.
I just saw how black immigrants are receiving Juneteenth scholarships. Wild! Juneteenth is to celebrate the freeing of Americans slaves. How an immigrant who just got here receiving the benefit of that? Disgraceful!
Much needed discourse. I discuss in my video on the Miseducation of Haiti about how Haiti's misfortune has been ascribed to everything; from Earthquakes to Voodoo practices but has emphatically omitted, whether by ignorance or dishonesty, the French fault line that fractures Haiti.
As an African, having emigrated to “the west” within my lifetime, I found this video insightful and enlightening. Many thanks for sharing! “Most blacks aren’t looking to end white supremacy, they are just trying to improve their position within it.” 🖤🤑
@@XERXESDOE Doesn't matter what mindset you've got, the system still remains. You should read that last quote a few times over from his comment. It perfectly fits with what you just said in a couple ways and you just don't realize it.....
Thank you so much for this! My family is Nigerian and low income. They lived in the outskirts of Ibadan and they were not college educated. They went through a lot to make it here and I still recognize the privilege required for them to be able to make it through. They had to lean in on a lot of people who are able to help them through the system. I grew up in PG County, and my family faced a lot of classism from other Nigerians because we were not just US poor but also Nigerian poor. It’s a lot of trauma and I can’t stand seeing Nigerians deny their privilege.
@@bellaspivey6730 not just from Nigeria but people literally save up all they have and buy fake documents or come over on a travel visa/ student visa etc etc and stay illegally then apply for legal residency…and many other ways. The legal money route isn’t the only way people get to America. You’d be surprised how many ways you can get to America without being wealthy and educated.
What did that "classism" look like? You're either lying or a troll. Nigerians generally come together to help the folks (esp. women) who are struggling in the community. Especially in a place like the DMV. Unless y'all were disconnected from every church, mosque or cultural group, in which case.... well.
What the hell are you talking about? What privilege do Nigerians have? One of the things that helps Nigerians is they always have family in America before traveling and it’s the people they know who help them. Plus, it should be basic human nature to want to help an immigrant especially if you live in a country like the US. An especially if you’re AA as that’s a valuable connection
Nigerian immigrant here. Let me watch and listen before commenting. Edit ( after watching): The Nigerian immigrants here in the US are not the elite of Nigeria. We were low class, at best lower middle class. Educated? yes, because in Nigeria that is one of the ways of escaping poverty and climbing the " class" system. So emphasis is placed on education and the attaining degrees that will bolster your place in society. But we are definitely not the elite. I live in Houston and while the Nigerians in Houston are large in numbers and are seemingly " doing well" there is an underclass of Nigerians that are struggling and also illegal immigrants.Those various classes of Nigerians are in accord that the next generation ( their children) will be more successful than them. I tell my teenager kids this: I didn't come all the way from Nigerian for them to be average. The real ELITE Nigerian are not in America. They are in Nigeria. Their children do not come to America either. They are educated in Britain and Switzerland and they swiftly return back to Nigeria after each semester and when they get their degree. I am in a business group with African American women who are nurses. And those women are making moves, money moves. They are bold and savvy. The only " handicap "I see ( as an outsider) is that most are single mothers. African American women are a force to be reckoned with and as a Nigerian woman, I salute them.
I am a Black American who has moved to Ghana you can say the same thing is going on there it’s easier for Aa to succeed in Africa than say Africans who are from there due to our closeness to say whiteness.. i hate that Ghanaians put me on a higher Pedestal than their fellow Ghanaian… All we can do is help each other the best way we can and go about our lives because this diaspora war is Tiring.. I know my ancestors are from Africa and i love All my African ppl
Is it really just about proximity to Whiteness.... or is it about having more wealth? People have been talking about this issue for years now, I believe there was even a documentary about middle and upper-middle-class Black American descendants of U.S. slaves moving over to South Africa and living better than the local poor community. There's never a surprise when an immigrant group with more resources moves into a community and ends up having a better quality of life than the local poor population. Why........because when they have resources & are foreign it allows for them to be romanticized and looked at more favorably than the local poor communities whose plight can be blamed by the local ruling class. The local ruling class will never hold themselves accountable for why the local poor are poor and so they will romanticize the upward mobility of foreigners.....Malcolm Gladwell wrote about this and his piece "Black Like Them" in the 1990s. Like.... let's be honest, the vast majority of the Black Americans who are moving over to Ghana are not the dirt poor Black Americans LOL
@Miss Lilith All me and my American friends are doing big things are helping locals by employing them paying them a livable wage as well as investing in their business so keep your Negativity to yourself and ask yourself what are you doing to improve Africa
I think the Bronx Fire showed us that not all Africans come from a bourgeois background, I think the victims were mostly Gambian, Guinean and from Ivory Coast. As someone who grew up in Kansas City and have lived throughout the Midwest. A lot of the Africans I’ve lived around have come from places like Liberia, South Sudan and Somalia and I would say it seemed like the majority of them were from low income / refugee backgrounds and definitely different situations to Nigerians. I do think sometimes when people see or hear African immigrants they picture a well to do Nigerian immigrant which is not the case at all.
@@jessicam.4777 I didn’t think so either until recently, I do think there is a new narrative of well do to Africans moving over here, but I think Jouelzy did a good job of breaking down how accurate that is.
@@elephantintheroom8561 I get what you’re saying. But I don’t think social media is a good way to measure true sentiment (not saying this is what you’ve intimated). I think there has been a full on effort on part of some black immigrants to seem or appear a certain way across media, whether that’s for their own esteem, white gaze, or genuine pride, I’m not sure. I’m guessing people who overly consume or believe everything they see on media…could be misled by these things and thus believe an entire ethnicity is rich. But I do think a basic knowledge of stats as well as how the US utilizes their immigration system to include/exclude certain people, would help some people’s understanding. I think this “kinda” ties into the point you were making about Jouelzy. I’ve also come across articles that attempt to lead readers a certain way about high-achieving immigrants, type of work, income, etc, without accounting for some important factors. Language and wording is important and it seems in some literature, the reader is led to think a certain way, when the stats/numbers don’t necessarily paint the same picture. So, then I question, what is the value in having me believe this or think a certain way about this specific group of people (or thing)… Whose attention is the author trying to grab and why… What is the purpose of the research and how will it be used…
Fellow Kansas City raised person here. I never envisioned all Africans as well to do, although I knew some (mainly Nigerians in my experience) were. Now that I go to prominent hbcu, I can see where people get the impression that black immigrants are all wealthy, especially on the east coast! It’s like night and day the type of access that different groups have, at least from my view. This video definitely shed some light on why that may be.
Okay, I'm up let's get into this! These topics are really interesting to me because I am First Generation with one parent who has been here since they were 6 (Jamaican) and one who has been here since they were 18/19 (Saint Lucian.) Yo, not you bringing up my hidden colors trauma. Had to watch so many cousins watch it and be like-oh so y'all don't read history books, bet. Calling Buddha Black and not knowing the historical figure was Indian. Le Sigh. Every part of the diaspora got historically snitch light skin communities. You hate to see it. I really enjoyed this video and you bringing up the history. So many people miss that in the desire to cause drama via Twitter. It is a layered issue and we all need to do better and call out whoever is pitting us against each other. Also, the lip game is perfect as always
@@jouelzy I think Black people as a whole globally need to do some self reflection…More of our children know who Lil Durk is, and not David Adjaye (Google him) who is the world’s most celebrated and greatest architect literally a living legend married to a black woman, and 99% of our children don’t know who he is
I definitely agree that Too many Black ‘leaders’ nowadays put out ‘facts’ that are questionable at best. However it is quite possible that the Buddha was phenotypically black. There are islands in the Indian ocean where the inhabitants are Phenotypical blacks but are genetically Asian and they still exist today. Those Asiatic blacks inhabited mainland Asia till about 500 years ago. Nowadays they’ve been driven to the hills in places like the Philippines and Indonesia with modern day soft genocidal tactics imposed by the government. Ancient Japanese and Chinese scrolls feature people who were clearly dark skinned (as we understand dark skin to be) with hair typical of Africans. And in some of their religious texts such as the Indian rig Veda, they clearly describe ancient race wars. There is clearly more than one type of ‘Black.’ They have maternal lines that do not converge with African ones. But ninjas do embellish to maximize achievements tho🤷🏽♀️
Thank you for addressing this. As a young black American physician I have always wondered why most of my black peers were almost exclusively Nigerian 🤔 I knew there had to be some systemic injustices keeping fellow black descendants of slaves from getting to those spaces. So so important to discuss this. Say more!
The system will always be there love, you have to learn to work your way around it. Please stop complaining about it, black immigrants work hard to get to where they are.
The system is hard on both African Americans and Nigerians to become physicians. The reason that you see more Nigerians in those spaces is because they have the financial or educational backing from their parents. However, if you were to compare Nigerians and African Americans with the same SES (socioeconomic status), then you see the same outcomes. People with lower SES (which tend to be Black) are barred from entering these spaces. Essentially, it's not because they are immigrants, it's because of their SES. Majority of physicians come from privileged backgrounds.
As a black American with grandparents who were sharecroppers and an immigrant, this Diasporic war has always been frustrating and bizarre to me. Like you said, immigration creates a hierarchy. And the anger at this hierarchy created is often misdirected. It’s fascinating that this idea of immigrants working harder came from a black American. Understanding that these ideas are intrinsically based on white supremacist, imperialistic and capitalistic ideals on both sides is so important. Thank you for shedding light on the full picture.
Is the anger really "misdirected" when black immigrants have willingly, intentionally leaned into the white supremacist anti-black American ethnophobic narratives about black American descendants of U.S. slaves because it literally benefits them? I
@@13579hee while accountability is necessary, I think we shouldn’t forget to critique what is so beneficial about aligning oneself with those systems and actively work to dismantle said systems.
@@Nooooooooooooooooooooo7913 we can talk about what's beneficial but people have free will. Individuals that are willingly aligning themselves with problematic systems are going to be the ones to dismantle them? Who is this labor being required of... cuz the people that want in on this system aren't going to dismantle it LOL
@@BuffyNoir140 this blanket statement is very concerning. No we don’t need to try to be in community with all black people (immigrant or not) but to write off all black immigrants as white supremacists agents is literally insane. Coonery exists within black Americans too. Some of are greatest black American civil rights thought leaders were of Caribbean decent from Malcolm X to Kwame Ture. And these immigrants aren’t going anywhere and are mixing in with the black American population. I’m living proof of that. So why can’t we unite? I’m not saying that it’ll be easy and there’s work to do on both sides. And obviously black immigrants need to understand and respect the groundwork that black Americans laid out to be able to be here. But we’re already sorely outnumbered as black Americans so why are we further alienating ourselves? What good will that do? I’m not claiming to have all the answers but I’m saying… like damn.
Antiblackness complicates the African immigration crisis, but anti-immigration sentiments for all immigrants have increased drastically across the globe.
@@ad05techdotorg50 There's something about the tone of that man's discussions that reminds me of a better fed, more articulate version of the "economic anxiety" displayed by White working class Brits during the lead-up to the Brexit campaign (and before, and after, and just in general). Anti immigrant sentiments have so many similarities across the board.
Black American people got this thing where we feel like we cant be proud of ourselves and our culture. Its like we feel cant acknowledge our culture and our experiences without including other black people, and if we do, then its some how a slight to other members of the diaspora.
I can certainly see that. Everything is comparative. The youth tend to be willing to work with one another and include one another but isn't always so. There's an obsession with creating hierarchies and distance.
"If we do....the disporia". We really do wich is disheartening because AA deserve their own space just and any other group and they have the right to proud of it. It not a jab to others its a celebration of oneself and their many plight to get where we are today. I may be reaching but I feel as though a flag specifically represent AA is much needed. That would be a great first start. The rbg and American one just don't do it for me lol!
Or you’re participating in the one drop rule , something others don’t seem to do. Our culture is open to any and everyone and anybody can be black in America , if they darken enough and curl their hair even as a full white person black Americans will give them the black card. This is our fault for not wanting to gate keep .
@@PrincessYonna1 That's what Tariq has been saying. We put ourselves on the back burner for too long, and now that we are putting ourselves first, suddenly it's a problem for these immigrant groups. Tariq is right about this. You can disagree with him personally, but he's on the money on this one.
I'm definitely living on the opposite side of the conversation (but using my relative privilege). I have a lot of Jamaican aunts and uncles (I'm not Jamaican) who married my American Black relatives and their access to American society was always different than mine. Their understanding of America was just fundamentally different. For them, hard work was enough to get ahead and to change their station in life. For us, hard work kept us treading water (sometimes that wasn't enough). Fast forward to a couple of years ago, I moved from the US to a European country and I noticed that my access to society is different compared to those who are Black citizens from the Caribbean and to those who are Black citizens from former colonies in Africa. Hard work has been enough for me to get ahead. Not only that but there's a mystification about my story and a willingness to help that was notably absent in the US (no, Europeans are not inherently nicer). It reminds me of how Oprah started a school in South Africa but completely turned up her nose at Black Americans when they asked for help. The way that I explain it is that Black immigrants start from zero, while Black citizens start in the negative. I am not rich, but I have facilitated access to elite spaces that my friends who are Black citizens only dream of. I feel safe from violent racism here, while my Black citizen friends have physical, generational trauma from the racism that my host country has inflicted upon their communities. I hang out with my Black friends from other parts of the world and I am always treated better once people hear my accent. I definitely experience anti-Blackness, but it's a lighter kind because I'm not associated with citizen Black folks.
that is so true in order to compete in this y have to educate work hard and single out the bullshit from productivity no one cannot bring the pass back but remember y are in charge of y distiny
You are a living example of the negative psychic and historical energies that nations build up against what they see as their cultural adversaries. I theorized the same thing. Being Foundational Black American, without the liberty of living elsewhere, I have come to realize that white Americans are vested in maintaining black americans in poverty and without access to resources. While the same tend to roll out the red carpet for black immigrants. Black immigrants are very disingenuous when they say they achieved because black americans are lazy. Historically, that is simply a falsehood. Rather, immigrants do well because whites don't have the psychic and historical energy to "place" immigrants as they do with Foundational Black Americans. We are from the Tubman and Douglas and King and Malcolm X bloodline. We have struggled up every step of the way. This has manifested the vitriol and psychic hate that we encounter everywhere in America: Economics, Politics, Culture, Intellect and Spirit. We find ourselves having to fight for everyone of those imperatives of mankind. While others who are here because of our lineage are very unflattering and even vicious against us. We must do better to build our community.
I am a Nigerian immigrant that's lived in America for 30 years and have been a racial justice organizer/advocate/educator for 15 years. You get a message when you come to this country. For most immigrants it's probably implicit but I'm sure for some it's explicit. You are told to not only distance yourself from Black folks from here, but shun and shame them. It is implied that if you do this you will succeed and if you don't you will suffer.
This, i remember growing up and my parents telling me to distance myself from black American folk while simultaneously being reminded that i myself was black and would be expected to work harder than my white counterparts. That people can hold both these thoughts to be true is wild, still call my mom out on it every now and again given we now exist in the privileged "elite" of Nigerian immigrants even further removed from the systemic disenfranchisement that has made 'success' of black Americans in America a massive hurdle.
@@JoyFay Nope, Black Americans, even though believing some stereotypes would never tell their children not to associate, marry, etc, black immigrants or keep them out of our organizations or limit their ability to rise in our organizations. This is something black immigrants routinely do according to many of their children, and the rules of their clubs that deny BAs and according to Jouelzy, award shows that only allow Nigerians. Black Americans don't do these things, and if you could find that 1 or 2 BAs that would, it'd be less that 1%. It's only recently that some of us are starting to think like that, and it's only due to realizing these skinfolk don't see us as kin folk.
Much needed conversation. I always like your videos because you add the historical view point. As someone who is half Black american and Caribbean, I feel torn. I think a lot of the frustration from BAs is that a lot of black immigrants say BAs don’t have culture while partaking and benefiting from BA culture. It feels like BA culture is for all black people but other ethnicities get to gate keep their culture.
Wow. So well said. This is definitely a very good comment worth a conversation. I think the second generation Immigrant blacks are aware of this and standing in solidarity with AA , acknowledging AAVE and blending, welcoming and sharing more. BA culture really IS the “culture”, the trends , the cool stuff and folks in and outside America partake in it while still keeping AA people and their struggles “down”. I’m so glad to see this being discussed more.
Very well said!! It’s a slap in the face to hear non BA claim we don’t have culture while partaking in our said culture. I’m honestly starting to think people may not know what the definition of culture is. Especially since they blast our music, eat our foods, and adorn themselves in our fashions. It’s beyond sad
Exactly black American culture it seems every black person culture in America while other black people across the globe have their own separate culture that black Americans can’t dare touch and just walk into and embrace . It’s unfair that ppl think they’re obligated over everything when it comes to black Americans but this is also our fault for being too nice , participating in the one drop rule STILL, and ignoring our own culture to feel included with Africans, many BA don’t even know they have their own language and heritage flag.
That is such a ridiculous argument. I have heard Europeans say the same thing about Americans. That because you're such a young country, you don't have a culture. And yet it's the culture most of the world consumes. Of course, BA have culture! I once met a Belgian say America has no culture, and one day I watched a documentary about Belgium, and to my surprised I found out that the country is younger than the US!
As an African (Ghanaian) that lives in Canada, please understand gatekeeping African culture to other black folk is wack. Please engage with what you please. So long as you research, ask questions, and ethically engage.
@@browneyes7841 that's ok. Not all blacks in America are Afro-Americans. We have Black Latinos and Black Caribbean-Americans as well.... Afro-Americans still comprise 90% of the Blacks in America.....and Some Afro-Americans have Caribbean lineages, especially in Louisiana..
I am a Jamaican immigrant and I my friend told me I have more privilege because I am an immigrant. I never understood where she got that from but now I know.
Lineage Matters for African American (Freedmen) - the reality of the situation is flatting blackness in America has been harmful to one group and is not done anywhere else in the world.
@@jouelzy Everywhere no, but I’ve traveled to 13 African countries and have met lots of well traveled black immigrants and it very clear that tribalism, classism, delineation of language and culture is very strong in black nations. I don’t understand why African American (Freedmen) taking pride in what our ancestors built and wanting the fruit of that labor is a problem for everyone who claims to be an ally.
@@cerromeceo exactly! We are a unique group of people whose ancestors built the country that everyone is living off of. That’s why we deserve reparations for us and ONLY us!
Nigerians are loud and proud of their identity, which comes with its pros and cons. There needs to be an acknowledgment of classism that exists within Nigeria and its immigrant communities. There is so much emphasis placed on status and money. Education is valued because it correlates to better opportunities, status, and financial attainment. Education is not valued simply for the attainment of knowledge. This is why the arts and history, for example, tend to be underrepresented and deemphasized for Nigerians. You hit the nail on the head about selective immigration and the lottery system for Nigerians. In the 2000s Nigerian immigrants have more resources available and had an easier transition into US society compared to the pre-2000s immigrants. They are also coming into cultural communities/organizations that have already been established. (Nigerians are a collectivist culture) Most of the Nigerian immigrants in the USA are Igbo. A lot of Igbos emigrated from Nigeria after the Biafra War (1970s) because they were marginalized. There was a greater emphasis on these batch of immigrants to assimilate into whatever the dominant society was. There are some that integrated into African American communities. However, we can't ignore the effects of white supremacy. There is a vast majority that associated themselves with white society thus stripping themselves of their Nigerian identity e.g. by not speaking their language, anglicizing their name, etc. (This is an effect that is seen globally, white people possess the majority of power. Therefore people align themselves closer to whiteness in order to gain that access to power) There is a lot of nuance in the Nigerian immigrant community, but often when discussions are had they are usually representative of one type of immigrant and a broad paintbrush is stroked on the whole group. There isn't enough discussion on how these viewpoints are toxic to the Nigerian immigrant community. I know it was brushed over in this video, but there is a vast majority of Nigerians that are disadvantaged in the USA and Nigeria because they were unable to "succeed." What is the lasting impact of those Nigerian communities/organizations in the USA that are perceived to be successful? Also, what does success mean? Yvonne Orji requires her own separate video lol. She comes from a very privileged family, therefore her views are not reflective of the average Nigerian. Within the community, we are aware of people that wear their "Nigerianness" as a brand or personality but are disconnected from the actual experiences of the people. Yvonne is one of those people. I know that I wrote a lot, but these diaspora conversations annoy me because Black people are disadvantaged globally. The common enemy missing from these conversations are the effects of white supremacy and capitalism on these communities (African Americans and the Black Diaspora).
@@usernameaz602 Does that report or stat account for the fact that there are approximately 2000 languages in Nigeria alone and English is not the native language of any tribe? What metric were they measuring this literacy by? 🤔
this breakdown. yes. +1 for mentioning there there are quite a few disadvantaged Nigerian immigrants in the USA. My own parents come from modest means and are still working class in this country. Those with the most privilege end up being the most visible, therefore seen as representatives of the exceptional Nigerian immigrant.
Great discussion. I think what also needs to be discussed is the lack of longevity for the "model minority" family. There's always a new poster child for the American Dream BS this country tries to sell. Second generation Immigrant-American social outcomes, look similar to AA. There is no privilege once they're lineage is thoroughly integrated into the American system. We could do so much more together...
@@wordsbymaribeja1470 That’s not the reality at all. The fact of the matter is, black immigrants descendants will be black people in America, and not black people who’ve come to America. My parents are Jamaican. I was born in America, and if I have a child that child is now two generations removed from Jamaica. Will I try to pass my culture down? Absolutely. Will they have the same I experience I did with immigrant parents, or my parents did growing up in Jamaica? Absolutely not. Their experience will be more similar to their black American peers, even if my partner is also a Jamaican-American because we’re both black people who grew up in America and not immigrants to this country.
Yes! As an immigrant, I have absolutely made this point that children of educated immigrants under perform their parents. So what's up with the US education system that causes that? What's the US obsession with the model minority that is so often an immigrant?
Its time for Black Americans to get that check. And no mind game or moral goal post moving will change that. At the core of the conversation is reparations. And it will be a constant battle until that is achieved.
Tariq and I got into it on Twitter when I pointed out his hypocrisy because he advised BM to marry bi-racial women...but ONLY the ones with white mothers because "girls tend to take on the characteristics of the mother". He literally said that, I kid you not! I even posted the audio of him saying that. And when he ran out of arguments and I didn't back down, he blocked me. One of my proudest moments.🙌🏾
I'm curious what his arguments against his toxicity were. I can never take him seriously after he said that. But his wife is biracial (although he calls her black lmao) so...no surprise.
@@LisePlansandJournals at first he was copping pleas, saying the recording was out of context, then he pivoted accusing me of being a “hater” because I’m a Black immigrant. And when none of it worked, he blocked me 😁
This is why when I saw Nigerians angry at him and using him as representative of AA, I rolled my eyes 👀 😳. I was like mannnn...my Nigerian people why are you getting angry....this dude does not represent a huge majority of AA. Especially not the women
@@Sarah-cj8rm an you don't represent black Americans. Nobody will get mad if you are with a mixed black man why are you tripping on him being with a mixed black woman? Also only african immigrants and black immigrants are african.
I can't defend Tariq for that nonsense. I notice he never owns up to that or corrects that directly, but he does indirectly. But he's allowed to mature. I definitely don't think he'd ever say something so careless today. It still doesn't negate the facts of this diaspora disrespect discussion though.
I'm married to a Cameroonian. Many were shocked on how much I understood about their culture and the diaspora in general. I tried to be respectful to their customs but many viewed me as an outsider. I'm like-Damn I'm not even in your country and you trying to tell me about assimilation GTFO. Additionally, I peeped a lot of shit from visiting the Cameroonian church. So much classism and colorism. Ironically, a lot of them like black folks in the sense they don't have shit but still front like they do. Most people hide their traumas and agenda. If they can bleach their skin and live in white communities, they are suddenly more American than you. I'm like-Ya'll can have this illness of the American dream.-I end up distancing myself from them.
I feel you...but we are all West Africans and there is really no us vs them. Continental born Cameroonians especially solely French speaking Cameroonians are under the hypnosis that they are more "African" than we are in America...and yet they only compete with we American born Africans about who's African and who's not but, will break their necks to buck dance for and with white people from any and every country in the world.......we are all sick as a global African family and in need of immediate ethnic therapy. White nationalism has done a hell of a job on our Diaspora.
@@Nimonjeua-Ndiangang no tf we are not. Or else we would have heritage to a specific tribe in africa. Yall running around promoting identity confusion and stupidity. While blk immigrants are running around tribalistic af. BLK IMMIGRANTS SEE UR DU.****m arse as competition because they are not blk 1st. They literally target other blk ppl to pull dwn in order to pull themselves up. because thats their culture. And Americans are not special they target blk ppl near them. South African are NOT xenophobic. They are literally defending themselves against being targeted
Very informative and thorough breakdown. However, your being disingenuous because your playing the middle ground. The average African American has the experience of coming into contact with African immigrants who have an aire of Superiority when it comes to us. Innumerable African Americans will tell you of African immigrants “they think they are better than us”
And vice versa. Plenty of Black Americans who behave like Africans on /from the continent are 'junior Black', backward and somehow in awe of all things American esp the Black American aesthetic. I copped hell being the only first generation African all through school and literally & physically had to fight for respect , to set boundaries and to let folks know that those 'Africa jokes' are unfunny, ignorant & certainly won't fly in my presence. So there is plenty of work to be done on both sides and we are stronger together as the global African family.
@@MegaDiva1999 I have noticed that whenever there is a rebuttal to a comment like the OP it is always about ignorant immature children. The OP is about what we experience as adults and it's true.
@Pinkie I don't have to "paint" reality. As an adult YOU are responsible for your healing NOT blacks Americans who have also been abused. If another adult is spitting on you then do something about but using that as argument when we have also seen black Americans be bullied by immigrants is silly. The fact that you used both coast as an argument is astonishing. NY and Florida has a heavy flow of DR AND PR immigrants who are very racists against black people. CA has race and turf wars. Get out of here trying to shame me because I noticed a pattern. So sick of adults who know they have childhood trauma not do any work to fix it and then try to force to accept abuse. My comment wasn't even deserving of your level of response as my statement was an observation.
We are uneducated about each others' paths through slavery and colonialism and now capitalism. Each group wants to believe they some how had it worse than all the others. We are grading things from a westernized perspective. We are competing for a prize that will never be.
Jouelzy you came through with this one. My ancestors were murdered on this soil they call Alabama. We don't care if Martians land and claim Asylum... CUT...THE DAMN...CHECK! P.S. Happy EARLY Birthday (month) Black woman 🎂 #B1 #BlackFirst
Interesting analysis. Honestly, I have less of a problem with the over-representation and more of an issue with the anti-Black American rhetoric in the diaspora community in the U.S. I also wonder why you left that out of your analysis.
@@jouelzy you never hit that aspect of the discussion "hard"- you play it soft right after playing the disciplinarian with us (black Americans). We didnt start these "diaspora wars" and you know that. We have grown tired of the vitriol and disrespect that they directed towards us for many years, on and offline meanwhile being beneficiaries of the sacrifices made by our group in this country. They don't need to say a word to us except "thank you."
She has a lot of friends who are immigrants so she’s definitely not going to give a real talk about the anti black American hate that’s happening in the diaspora and how a lot of this immigrants are sitting in spaces created for and made for black Americans while disrespecting us. She’s not going to talk about how they claim we have not culture while listening to our music, and copying our aesthetic (cause they damn sure ain’t wearing what they would wear in their homeland) she’s not going to talk about the derogatory names they specifically made for African Americans, or how they come here and align themselves with white people and push back on movements or things we have here. For ex. Many Africans have pushed back on reparations and even some said we shouldn’t have a black history month, and also Immigrants at HBCUs excluding African Americans from joining frats or sororities it’s disgusting we never go to their homeland and do these things.
As a 1st gen South Sudanese immigrant, thank you for this conversation! The ways in which immigrant experience can make one feel ostracize in the black community is so real. That’s on top of the diaspora discourse.
"There's productivity in understanding the systems at play." As a first generation Jamaican I love these honest conversations. So glad you brought up classism and how it ties into the concept of exceptionalism and selective migration. It's such a nuanced issue and you did it justice 👏🏽 Will add that most present day Haitians that immigrate to the US are refugees that are treated awfully by both African Americans and Caribbean immigrants 😞. They rarely benefit from the model minority myth. Looking forward to the day when we can be honest like this on a broad scale and build a better life for Black people.
I disagree. Many immigrants come to the US without knowing enough about the American Black experience and jump to conclusions about them. Immigrants come here criticizing the American Black and the US while benefitting on levels the American Black has fought so hard to be able to receive and still fighting. Also, immigrants increase the crime in the US.
@@w9906 That's not true. I don't think you should jump to conclusions about Black immigrants. Because the experience is not monolithic. And it sounds like you're upset about some experiences you've had with a person who is an immigrant. But don't paint immigrants a specific way because your bad experience with one. Also immigrants increasing crime is also not true. You do realize that what you're saying about immigrants is what racist people say about us Black people. Imma speak on the experiences that I know of. Immigrants come to America to gain opportunities, not steal or take away from citizens. They don't come to criticize African Americans. They come to provide for their families just like anybody else. Our experience is learning/living American customs while also keeping in tact our roots, our customs. Which is not an easy feat if I do say so myself. We experience racism, and colorism in our own countries; that does not disappear because we're on American soil. Black immigrants experience American racism just like African Americans. Also, I have to say Black immigrants have not just recently immigrated. We've been in America since slavery times. I can speak for Haitian immigrants specifically; we fought in the American Revolution alongside Americans. We've also been enslaved in America as African Americans have. Why do you think certain things in the culture of African Americans from Louisiana is similar to Haitian culture? Haitians also have had to fight slavery off in Haiti. We got a win for all of us, not just for us ourselves. We were the 1st to win our freedom, which has inspired many African Americans because it was a win for the Black race. It even inspired rebellions in other countries. Honestly, African Americans and Black immigrants aren't, so far apart as we've claimed to be. The only thing that I say separates us is our different experiences because all Black people aren't monolithic. Also, because we've all been robbed of some parts of our identity due to slavery it has made us feel even further apart from our customs. P.S. this is a topic for another day, but Black immigrants have also lost parts of our identity due to slavery. For Haitians specifically if you observe our names they are mainly French because we were colonized by the French. However, I think if we go back further we'll see that our African names were stripped away too, and replaced with French names. P.S.S. If you don't agree that's fine I just wanted to explain part of the Black immigrant experience to you.
Imma watch have to watch a few times before I can give a cohesive holistic comment. But you've definitely given me something to think on. I don't like the discourse online against immigrants, and i also don't like how others in the diaspora acts like they don't have Pookies back at home.
Very very thorough discussion, thank you❤️ As a 2nd gen who has a Senegalese father that migrated to study at a HBCU, & actually worked at said HBCU for 30yrs (where I also graduated from) my upbringing in the US & my attitude towards AA is different compared to the majority of black immigrants. So, the diaspora wars & the discussions around it (esp. on TikTok) is somewhat new to me b/c I did not grow up having or hearing these negative sentiments towards AA, but it is definitely eye opening!
The big problem with your Nigerian analysis is you know nothing about Nigeria. Nigeria economic lines do not cut across culture, family, geographic location - it cuts across money. Nobody cares if you're Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa, or from this or that family once you level up, you're in the party. That's why Nigerians DO NOT have hostility towards their upper class as might be the case in America. However, everyone regardless of ethnic group is aggrieved by the POLITICAL class.
The upper class of any race or ethnic is always the source of suffering of people in lower classes via exploitation. Upper class people also tend to hold the most political power as well.
@@jinx526 Sure, and true. But where people feel that access to upper class is not limited by identity, they are not likely to hold as much ill will (either because they believe they can get there and change things for the better or exploit it for their own selfish benefit). This is the case in Nigeria. Everybody has wealthy set of (and poor) individuals from their direct communities.
I'm a Black American, not the daughter, granddaughter, nor great-granddaughter of immigrants. However, to many MANY ppl, I look like I am. So I've had many a thing said to me about Black Americans by these many ppl and I developed some resentment, some jadedness. I appreciate this conversation so much. I'd rather not "feel some type of way" all my life so hearing reasonable, objective (as much as one can be, we're only human lol) discourse about the hierarchies and constructs built to keep us fighting each other is difficult, yet soothing to hear. I know in my logical mind that to generalize based on the fraction of immigrants I've encountered is wholly wrong and there is so much more going on under the surface of the belittling and judgemental comments I've been exposed to. This video was sobering, took me out of my own bubble of feelings and I thank you for that.
If everyone would accept the fact that 1)flat-Blackness does not exist 2)fictive kinship is fictive 3)each different ethnic group is deserving of their own redress that individuals from different ethnic groups are not qualified to receive and 4)that we must always hold accountable the state which oppresses each individual ethnic group differently... these problems wouldn't be problems
I can agree with everything but 3) because redress carries a reformist sentiment. What is owed to the slave? (The end of) Everything. Abolition or bust.
@@jinmushui1soul redress is literally not reform. And you cannot by any means try to associate every social ill to come out of white supremacy with the plight of the enslaved in America in their descendants. There are tons of descendants of slaves in the Caribbean fighting for reparations right now and no one is derailing that conversation by saying to them well redress is reform of the entire system of white supremacy. This all-or-nothing attitude seems to only get applied to Black Americans when we seek redress
Tariq is so problematic. I want people to learn moe about Haiti's history. But that 1804 documentary is sensationalism if I wore to call it anything. As a Haitian, I want people to recognize our ancestors (across the Diaspora's) brilliance. But I reject anything that makes us seem outer worldly, magic and down right ahistorical. He gives out Historical Fiction and smartly interwine his biases (Black male superiority ideas) with historical facts. Unfortunately, many are unable to decipher between the two. That's my two cents. His Buck Breaking doc, my sister introduced it to me and I recognized immediately the Black male victimhood fantasy. I couldn't finish it. Tariq's projects are popular in part to Black folx need/want to trauma bond and build their self-confidence (even not in whole truth)
Totally forgot about 1804 documentary 😭 such a grifter. It’s interesting that his Black male superiority went from Pan-Africanist to anti-immigration. It’s all a money grab. And ppl eat it up bc it makes them feel powerful
I am African American but I feel that African Americans are unfair to African immigrants. Our experience is not their experience. We shouldn't put that pressure on them. I was raised in the South so I wasn't raised around immigrants but I noticed when I moved to Washington DC, that has African immigrants from all over Africa. Ethiopians are the only ones I had a bit of a problem with. Nothing major, although I had a few to remind me that my ancestors were bought here in chains. I found it disturbing that made them happy. Who should be ashamed, the enslaved or the enslaver? Other than that, I found the African immigrants ambitious and prosperous. I got along well with most of them. African Americans rarely get along with other minorities. We talk about slavery all the time. The worse kind of slavery is mental slavery. People who have come to get ahead, save money and help their families back home do have time to take on unnecessary stress. There is no wonder we have so much hypertension, we stress out about things we can't change. Make the best of your situation because racism will always exist in the world and in the US, but will you let it hold you back?
@@Zeyede_Seyum I loved them and I go to church with them but when the are in a group they change. They are ok one on one, but when they are in a group they become very arrogant. I love them anyway. Selam!
All Day FBA! We're controlling our own narrative and when it comes to your Zaddy's talking points, we are not hearing it. We don't flee, we fight to be free. Bars!🇺🇸🙏🏾.
I’m a Nigerian born immigrant. This was good. I wish this conversation was longer. Part 2! Part 3! Lol. Thank you for your work in this discussion and video Jouelzy!
What is wrong with having diffrence of ways with Black Americans. We are culturally diffrence, we believe diffrent things, have diffrent ways. I am Nigerian and Proud I have no hate for AA but I do not understand niether do i want to be part of thier culture? Is that wrong?
One thing I've always found weird about the way Africans and I'll speak for Nigerians because I'm Nigerian. Don't see they have to be a certain type of person usually middle-class and upper-class mobile in order to migrate to America in the first place because a lot of them have family and uncles cousins who still live in their home countries I'm were able to come to America or Canada or the UK and usually the difference between them and their families that were left back in their home countries is that their families are poorer. As for the African-Americans who do feel like Africans Coming to America is taking away resources from Black Americans I understand where that sentiment comes from even though it's kind of ridiculous but one thing people never seem to understand is if all the African and Caribbean immigrants were to leave America today America would just find a new way to deny black Americans what it owes them. Do I can't speak for the way most black Americans think because I am not one there seems to be this weird sort of sentiments that if they become more nationalistic and more patriotic to America then America would be more likely to give them what they deserve.
@@williamphillips3035 Honestly, the self-consciously bigoted commentary around the war in Ukraine really shows that we've barely even begun to give up the ghost of bigotry over here. I've seen seemingly progressive people saying things like "Sorry, women and children first!" about the African people who have been unable to flee Ukraine. Like what, are brown people automatically adult and male, too? But that's always been a way to minimize the plight of refugees. What's worse is that this crisis is so often referred to as the first war between "civilized" people that we've seen in years. Some are even just coming out and saying "This is different because they're white."
The worse part about this diaspora war is that a lot of those immigrants are only allowed to be here in America because of what Afro Americans had to go through. It’s so disrespectful to come over on the backs of our ancestor’s trauma, then disrespect those same people when you get here. The way that black people are so adamant on separating themselves from any perceived blackness is nothing but a product of slavery and colonialism.
One thing you will not do lady is come here and lie, be honest growing up most blacks made fun of black immigrants just cut it out okay if you feel this way about black immigrants how can you have a war on one side versus white people and another versus black immigrants I’m so confused at you guys mental illness right now this is what it is pure mental illness you don’t know who your enemy is you want smoke with everybody and this is why you keep finishing last
Those immigrants would’ve moved regardless actually. It was a matter of time, there are immigrants in countries where slave trade never happened. So drop that whole guilt tripping talking point.
@@tylachad6102there are immigrants all over the world globally. Who are the Chinese black slaves who fought to help for future African immigrants? Exactly, doesn’t happen. Yet Africans are there in China. It was a matter of time regardless. It’s also interesting how you omit black Americans being disrespectful to the continent of that their ancestors originally come from, but that doesn’t paint you as the good guys in the situation. You speak on separating from blackness, but how many black Americans try and separate from African roots? Don’t you realise how this comes across to US as well? When we see all of this hotep, Hebrew Israelite stuff? See people spit out our food, call us monkeys etc when they look like us???
@@themarathoncontinues4211 well migration and chattel slavery are completely different. The American slave trade is a unique means of slavery that has never been replicated at any point in American history. Indigenous Africans were kidnapped, trafficked, and tortured for centuries on American souls treated less than dogs. They were stripped of thier cultural languages and customs. Those descendants today have no connections to thier African roots. You guys chose to come here. We’re African by ancestry not culture. I think Africans also need to accept that fact. You should read about the significance of American Chattel Slavery by authors that aren’t white. I’m no hotep in the slightest but the fact that you call our factual history conspiracies speaks a lot to your knowledge of the subject.
This was really good discussion wish we had more. I’m Liberian first generation born in America and it’s always interesting how other Africans act towards Liberians as if we’re not real Africans Would love to see a part 2 this was good
That’s because after slavery was “abolished” here in the U.S, some Black Americans chose to go to Liberia. Idk the entire story, but I do know that created a tension that’s apparently still going on, today.
@@rellie_90 you’re absolutely right. I’m Liberian too, and what you’re saying is a fact. Formerly enslaved Black people were sent to Liberia by the American Colonization Society and the U.S. congress (out of fear of an uprising) and they formed a nation, Liberia (Liberty) in 1847. Our first 14 Presidents were Blacks from America (predominantly from the South), and our 15th President was from Barbados.
@@rellie_90Yes, some black American did migrate to Liberia but there were already people there those Americans then came and kinda took over by instilling a lot of American civilization. Everyone in Liberia aren’t necessarily decedents of the black Americans. My family in particular I know is not.
@D&B I’m Liberian as well and they did. That’s what led to initial tension because the natives were fighting for rights which led to their first president Samuel Doe ( he was Krahn) Liberia has 16 tribes before the slaves came.
@D&B I understand your skepticism at “Pan-Africanism”. However, we can’t ignore the fact that slavery in the Caribbean was different from that in the US. We were stripped, beaten and killed for holding on to our roots. So we created something new based off of the little we held on to and the new things we experienced. Not to mention our indigenous black culture was under attack as well.
This is the most balanced conversation I have seen on this topic. I'm a first born American to Parents from Liberia and Sierra Leone. I normally dont engage these conversations because people are not honest.
This is SO perfectly timed I’m doing this topic for my sociology research paper omg adding this to my watch later so I can come back in the morning because I’m sure my girl is gonna reference some literature I need to look at lol
I’m a South Sudanese refugee that came to the US really young and assimilated and I’ve found myself mitigating Xenophobia from African-Americans and classesm/ perceived superiority from African immigrants.
As a BW over 50-whose ancestors were slaves in the us country, I have seen the “attacks” come from immigrants and then they play victim when called out. About 30 years ago when I had MY first engagements with immigrants I never saw any black American throw shade at y’all. We KNEW (since we’ve been HERE) that society sees us ALL as black. There was no separation coming from out side. Fast forward to 2020, I had my first encounter of how y’all see y’all selves as others & black Americans were bathe bottom batch. I learned about y’all’s class system too. So I’m really confused on why it’s an issue when black Americans use the same system that y’all grew up with. Y’all don’t consider yourselves “us” & we’re ok with that. But why all of the shade when we do the same? Not one black American said you haven’t been discriminated against. When y’all do something news worthy, you will distinguish yourself from black Americans- we don’t complain. Sounds like a whole bunch of selfishness
As a Black immigrant, I can confirm a LOT of shade and bullying (“go back to Africa,” “African booty scratcher,” etc.) and I’m Caribbean. Not justifying the ways we have discriminated against y’all, but I can assure you that we’re not all making up our bad experiences with Black Americans.
@@VickiPzxc I hardly believe anyone over the age of 10 called you that. All kids play the dozens & I’m sure other folks from your native land have called you much worse than that. And please don’t lie & say that whyte folks haven’t called you worse! The point is-& you know it to be true, that the vast majority of black Americans have treated you fairly, and no better or worse than they’d treat other blacks. If you have a business, we patronize it. Many of y’all won’t do the same. These new “spaces” on social media has showed y’all in a whole new light. & we’re ok with that. We’ve already been fighting since the killing fields. We’re resilient like that. But not thing we HAVEN’T done is flee from where we consider our home land. And for the record, we only have disdain for the folks in the diaspora that come with the notion that they are some how better than we. The audacity of coming to someone else’s home and showing the disrespect some of y’all have shown gets you the reaction that you’re getting. It shows your lack of home training & your ignorance. Black Americans would never go to your house/homeland with that attitude you give us. Yet you’re here from OUR ancestors fighting for equal for all. We are not MLK! We won’t be turning the other cheek for you to smite!! So if you can’t come together with us, be prepared, because you clearly don’t have a clue about fighting WS- if you did, knowing how they’ve done this country, you wouldn’t be allowing them to run yours and run y’all out! We seen them videos!!! Y’all love the whyte man like cooked food!!! And the Most High sees all of this.
@@VickiPzxc I think you guy's are taking the African booty scratcher thing to personal I'm 50 years old and we been calling each other that too forever just like the N word
This is so true. For as long as I can remember people would say the immigrants are so hard working… and I would say are we not? It’s a touchy subject. Thanks for putting this conversation out there!
This women is an immigrant lol 😂 love u anyhow and you’re a beautiful woman but at the end of the day you’re a TETHER and you need to stay out of FBA business. Bless your heart 💕
There’s TWO videos on my channel on my African American genealogy. There’s a few history books on my paternal lineage as they built Tallahassee, FL. Calling me an immigrant doesn’t negate the research I come to the table w. Y’all just come up with epithets to throw at ppl rather then honestly engage w their argument.
You spend time "attacking" the system, rather than building an alternative system. You're approach is pointless. At least you're working on your grad program. That's what you got to do, and when you finish hold your head high from what you've earned. The Nigerian message is simple: go to school, learn a trade, find an occupation or business or opportunity. Figure yourself out then figure out the system. Its that simple. You can't have a revolution if you're hungry and there's a lot of hungry black folks in America.
Thank you for this video! I’m so disappointed in this internet fiasco🥴 like how can successful immigrants in the U.S have so much ego when generally their home countries are SUFFERING bc imperialism& capitalism. As a young Haitian immigrant I am not overly proud of “my success “ here in the U.S bc Ik that in some way I am participating in the demise of my people. There’s so much more that can be said.
As a Trinidadian American from a dirt poor background both here and home country I appreciate the nuances here. Everyone otherizes black immigrants as immigrants who happen to be black and some black immigrants buy into it and use it for success but so many of us get left by the wayside and focus on community powerbuilding instead. You are absolutely right that there are heirarchies based in whiteness. The whites like the Nigerians and Jamaicans and those populations are very proud of it.
I’m Jamaican American and I can say that it’s if ANY, it would be the Jamaicans that live in Jamaica that enjoy that white people enjoy them, but speaking for my family, that’s not the case. My experience was never that white people liked me or gave me preference because they knew I was black before I was Jamaican so I think there could be some projection. Could be because everything caribbean is Jamaican to white people, and that can be said about Nigeria in regards to Africa.
Interesting... as a Nigerian in America, I have never felt that the Whites like us. On the contrary - they think of us as troublesome 419 scammers and prefer the Africans from less problematic countries. The Nigerian ethos is also very different from what you are describing - we don't care whether whites like us or not. In fact, we don't think very much about them. Nothing special about them. Most of us are here in their countries to do our best academically and professionally and earn money to support ourselves and help family members back home. I think we Nigerians need to be more educated and involved in the larger Black struggles globally ( and you see more involvement from younger Nigerians). But don't mistake our lack of involvement for wanting to appease whites. If you've been around enough Nigerians, you know that we couldn't give two red cents about them.
@@cxnnevia Jamaica is a tourist economy, they have to care about white money, it pays bills. They don't care about white people. The Colourism there is another story, but every country Trinidad, India, china, ect...deals with that.
You spoke well. I'm Nigerian and on moving to the US I decided to get out of my comfort zone and relate with a diverse group of people. I see the value in that. I also see the huge potential that exists in Black America, especially due to the foundation that has already been built therefore I don't limit myself to only my Nigerian community. I'm neither Yoruba or Igbo even and this is kind of freeing in a way. This video has been quite informative, I'll be following you. Are you still in Houston?
The San Francisco federal reserve issued a report entitled the color of wealth in Los Ángeles. The fed looked at income and wealth amongst various racial and ethnic groups in LA, including native and immigrant blacks. It’s a great report that also pinpoints the class of immigrants plays a part in the wealth gap between native and immigrant populations. Also black immigrants were 2x more likely to be married which seemed to impact household income. It’s interesting in that it also reviews historical legal and economic reasons for income and wealth gaps
UA-cam suggested a Thomas Sowell channel video yesterday. I started the video unfamiliar and very quickly my spirit was disturbed. Which took me down the rabbit hole on this man. This content from Joulzey is so timely.
WHAT are U talking about, I AM FBA, IF U ARE NOT FOR REPARATIONS, TANGIBLES, AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. WHAT ARE U FOR? "THE BLACK VETERAN FOR JUSTICE".
Great take on a much needed convo! side note: I like the acronym FBA but I don't like the attachment it has to Tarik Ali. Its important that AA have their own spaces just like every other group does. It's not a bad thing but I think its more of a pride thing. AA leave spaces for all other group but we don't ge the same in return, as you said for example with the NAACP and that's somthing that I noticed but never heard a conversation on it till now. In this disporia we should be kinder to one another while at the same time maintaining our own spaces: we can admire each other without putting the other down or discrediting their culture or watering it down to nothing.
I’m 1st generation Jamaican American. I attended an HBCU and all the Americans were like “ oh you not Black for real”. I couldn’t believe it. It opened my eyes to a lot.
american "blacks" needs to stop calling themselves african american and just black. because there IS a difference. a lot of american "blacks" aren't aware of their identity. so just take it as they are saying you are not from their tribe. for example if you go to Nigeria you arent going to say you are Nigerian just because of your skin color.. thats the issue with the word "black" and all "black" people having to identify with it because of skin color.
As I’m sure you know, it goes both ways. As a Jamaican American I’m sure you’ve witnessed ignorance on part of Jamaicans and Jamaican Americans as it relates to “blackness”, ethnicity, achievement, work ethic, stereotypes, etc.
@@cupcakexrider I actually like the term Black. I feel it best describes my ancestry and appearance without putting me within a specific culture. Sometimes Black is appropriate. Other times I will add the detail aka Jamaican, West Indian, etc..
@@cupcakexrider African-American is meant to be a specific culture/ethnic identity. Black American represents all groups of Black people in America example Haitian-American, Nigerian - Americans and so forth.
Thank you for this. Being first generation Nigerian American, I always knew that as Nigerians we had set of own privileges being in America, but I was never able to put it into context.
Yes, being one of most hated groups on earth is such a privilege. Tf? We face hatred from all sides, including the migration process. My family entered the nation dirt poor with a 50 dollar networth, and we are meant to feel privileged?
Keep crying and playing the oppression Olympics. Your family came here with $50 and stayed with relatives in a decent neighborhood until they got on their feet.
@@KW-pl1mn coming from YOU 😂😂😂 There’s one group we constantly hear about slavery from when everybody has enslaved or been slaves. Don’t even tell me about oppression olympics. The fact you ppl can’t coexist with ANY immigrant group, resident group etc shows the problem. We didn’t have any relatives, you have no clue what many of us go through. Most of you are Americans first, which immediately means you don’t know struggle. Not getting the Jordan’s you want isn’t struggle.
L O L at Nigerian girls being mean. It’s so true. All of my friends are AA because I just don’t relate with Nigerian girls especially growing up largely around AA.
Nigerian Americans have their own separate awards? So African and Caribbeans have their own awards, their own school clubs and organizations Black Americans aren't allowed to participate in or be leaders of, but it's considered divisive for Black Americans to have our own stuff and not let other black groups be involved?
The organizations of other English-speaking Black ethnicities do not have the same delineation as Nigerians. Francophone Blacks seemingly have delineated organizations but thats more about language than ethnicity/nationality. You're only devising when it comes to power, even within your comment it's about "leaders" not members because you can be a member of African/Caribbean school clubs, they engage with other Black clubs as well.
I don't know why it is seen as problematic that Nigerians, Africans or Caribbeans would have their own organizations. Obviously People from similar ethnic groups have enough in common that it makes sense for them to group together to address their common issues, which issues may not be common to a larger set of black people. I tried to join the BSU on my campus in college but never felt comfortable or versed enough in American black culture to be part of it. So instead, we started our own African organization where we could address issues more common to African immigrants. This is really just an issue of comfort. We always respected the BSU as the foremost black student organization on campus, but that didn't mean we couldn't form a more specific black organization for African students. I also don't see any issues with Nigerians wanting to recognize themselves by giving their own awards. So? If Black Americans want to exclude Africans from their own award shows, it's their prerogative to do so, rather than complaining that Africans have their own awards and organizations.
@@highsky101productions6 do you mean in connection with excluding groups from leadership positions? If so, my point is that African Americans can (I.e., it is their prerogative) to similarly exclude Africans from leadership organizations in their organizations ( and then maybe not position those organizations as "umbrella" black organizations).
Thanks for this great breakdown Jouelzy. As a Jamaican, I'll have you know that the lower/middleclass Black Jamaicans (in Jamaica) who make up the majority, are considered lazy in comparison to the Chinese, Indians and Middle Eastern groups who manage to "do better". I'd agree that it's also used as a means to justify their (the lowerclass') position within the society. It's all exhausting, truly.
You must be discussing Jamaican society. Because when black lower/middle class Jamaicans immigrants come to America, they still tend to succeed more and amass MORE wealth than African Americans. And oftentimes, a lot of famous blacks you see in America that are labeled as African American are actually foreign black when you investigate deeper. Kerry Washington, Gabrielle Union, Jada Pinkett, and Kamala Harris are just a handful off the top of my head.
these people now calling themselves 'ADOS-FBA' hate you immediately once you say you're Jamaican. they are 'Black American' tribalists and they would compare you to the Chinese in Jamaica. they claim you are favored by the USA government and given handouts and instructions on how to keep down 'Black Americans'. they claim you collaborate with 'white supremacy' to fight them down
@@morselsofgold No they are not! That was a lie going around on Lipstick Alley or some message board. She's from Omaha, her parents are too, they have a very large family (when I say large, she's said it herself, like over 2,000 cousins) here and those people are not Hatian's, trust me I know some of them they do it big when she comes home. 99.9% of Black people here in Nebraska people are the from the south, all of our people came up here from the south to work at the packing houses in the 50's and 60's. We don't have a large Black immigrant population here at all, nor are the Black people that been here for generations got Black immigrant backgrounds. Our people here are Foundational Black American, everybody talk about their grands and great grand's being from MS, LA, AR, AL, TN, TX, etc. this is not New York or Florida. The last 5-10 years large amounts of Sudanese and Somali's are making their way here. Growing up in all my 44 yrs, I've never heard a Black person say they were Hatiain, Jamaican, Nigerian here. People always talk about how their great grannies still live in SC or MS. Most Black creatives are Black American yall gotta stop that lie, just like y'all now lying saying Jamaican's created rap, when Black American's were rapping in the 1940's!
I’m always super apprehensive about this conversation but I am glad how you focus on the system that creates an artifice of scarcity to only further exacerbate conflict between sub groups and individuals. I can never deny my economic privilege because surviving the immigration system (not MY choice) has required incalculable economic resources as a Nigerian. But the intersections I sit at pull me in different directions. The process consumed my parents lives and near wiped out a generation of economic mobility (they are both extremely high achieving professionals but they weren’t resourced outside of this and their parents were relatively poor). My siblings were able to achieve academically and economically to validate their efforts but the price paid is difficult to articulate. I’m also queer so the concept of reintegration was deeply conflicting when I see how other queer Africans are treated. I found solace in black American, black Caribbean and diasporic communities growing up but I also faced deeply entrenched xenophobia that I can more fully appreciate and understand as an adult but cut quite deeply when I didn’t have tools. I just wanted to be around people who came from families that liked like mine no matter the origin. But it’s hard to engage with the messy reality of what this experience is even now even on here but I kind of her where everyone is coming from. TLDR good to broach this subject though I’m sure these discussions will continue to be heated
Within the past couple of years, I have intentionally tried to get to know black immigrants and to be able to recognize and respect how they see themselves outside of just being black. I have consistently been met with reluctance..almost a stark "I'm not like you" attitude from black immigrants. I had to think about why that might be. I know for sure that Africans were the butts of many jokes in my household. Caribbean blacks weren't even recognized but my grandmother would make jokes about my stepmother who is from Louisiana being one of those Voodoo people. My family, interestingly enough, were not "elite" by any means. They were a lower-middle-class family but knew the ways of the black elite and pretended to be a part of the group by material items (which they purchases on credit) and certain attitudes towards the working poor communities that they and their own parents grew up and died in. I'm sure that the black immigrants that I've come into contact with have had more experiences with this sentiment of some black Americans. The content of my conversation with black immigrants is always so odd as if they're trying to confirm that I'll treat them badly or have negative assumptions about where they come from or if I'm someone that they can feel "better than". If they only knew that elitist black Americans treat me the same way because I chose not to opt into the mainstream society's ways of indicating wealth and education level. I don't perform either way and it feels like I will eternally observe and interact with all black people from behind a glass.
Black immigrants think mercedes and bmw is making it. 1999 mercedez and they better than black folks😂😂😂 tlit dont give what they think. But they go hard
Only black people in America act like stuff that is common knowledge is some secret... "we get a piece of your government" lol. Its called diplomatic relations, trade programs etc. Each side is going into it eyes wide open and HOPEFULLY ensuring their best interest. Nigeria is historically America's largest trading partner (but South Africa currently) and one of the top suppliers to US of crude oil and agricultural products. In turn, Nigeria is a significant market for vehicles and machinery.
The white man has us fighting each other and we forget about dismantling the system. As a black American, both side need to be more accepting and compassionate towards each other because we’re basically all cousins. The U.S. and Europe destroyed a lot of Africa and the Caribbean and they deserve the right to move here but it also needs to be acknowledged that black Americans paved the way
What is there to freak out about??? Black Americans distancing themselves from Africans and Caribbean is not gonna stop us from legally immigrating, it’s not gonna stop us from attending college, getting a job and living normal lives, we’re not seeking for acceptance, we have other priorities 🤷🏾♀️
@John T it would be a very long conversion for me to break down to you how politics works in most African countries, but i would just be wasting my time, you're privilege you wouldn't understand.
My experience with Nigerians took place in Houston. I was the owner of a system of health clinics that served mostly the geriatric population. Almost daily 2-3 Nigerians were asking to speak to me about our clientele. They offered to pay me $150-300 per referral to provide physical therapy services to our patients. My response was always no. Some of these Nigerians were overly aggressive and sometimes rude. Later one of our patients shared with me that these Nigerians were picking up the elders in vans, taking them someplace, feeding them lunch and billing Medicare for services not provided. Other elders complained that the Nigerians were aggressively signing them up for motorized wheelchairs. When I asked my patients to share their Medicare paperwork, OMG, these Nigerians were billing for ridiculous charges. Moreover, their actions forced Medicare to minimize the amount of physical therapy the elders could receive; so this fraudulent behavior limited healthcare to honest people. It is this experience that makes me wary of the integrity of Nigerian people. Also, when I traveled to Ghana, I was told to be careful of Nigerians because they were running scams there too. I am not the only one with similar stories.
@@tyaler9805 Like? We’re we trying to scam you guy’s? All over the world you have a reputation for going into countries & trying to scam the locals, so let’s just leave it there before people feelings get hurt.
@@roberthicks5550 We don’t scam people all over the world first of all, secondly, y’all tell us too go back too our country, talk about kids starving in Africa, Africans being “dirty”, “musty”, stupid, primitive etc.. etc. Y’all even physically assault us. I know a girl who got jumped and spat on by a bunch of Black American girls because she was Nigerian.
That's the main thing that bothers me about the diaspora wars. No one mentions the class dimensions of the black immigrants coming to the U.S. It is not poor black people that are coming from Africa and the Caribbean. The people coming are middle class/upper middle class and educated.
You think most Haitian, Dominican, Puerto Rican and Jamaican immigrants are middle class? Don't let the Houston Nigerian set skew things. A lot of Caribbean and African immigrants to the US are working class. There is definitely a middle class and working class split, but as often happens, the middle class set get more power, more voice and speak over the working class group. It makes people think all African and Caribbean immigrants to the US are well off, they are not.
That's not true. Most Haitians I know left Haiti to escape poverty. My mom didn't have electricity most of the time growing up. Many Haitians that come to US barely finish hs.
There are poor black people coming from Africa and the Caribbean. Its definitely a mix . Immigration is complicated and can’t make a blanket generalization that isnt true. But I definitely know the black immigrants you’re referencing.
That is not true at all !!! I would say poor to middle class at best! That is the common denominator for most immigrants from all over the world who travel overseas!!! They simple want a better life for themeselves, this why is they are very determined to make it, because it is simply survival mode for most.
Very interessting but most Nigerians who immigrate to the US are not rich. Most of us are from the Middle or lower class. But since education plays a huge role in Nigeria and most West African countries, we are conditioned to take school very seriously. It's the only way we can climb the social ladder. Being bad in school = bringing shame on the family. The rich Nigerians don't come to the US. They stay back home in their big mansions and send their kids to European Universities.
Well I don't know anything about the statistics. I just speak out of experience. I live in Houston and most of the Nigerian immigrants here were not rich back home. They accumulated wealth when they immigrated to the US. That's why many of us still send money back home to support our families who stayed in Nigeria. I think I only know one person who's family is extremely rich but she only studies here and flys back home every now and then to visit her parents.
I don't know how up-to-date the data is you're referring to but it does not really reflect the reality I live in. And we have a huge community here in Houston...
@@jouelzy Come on now! You're better than that. Since you're a stats lady look this. Most foreign doctors working in the UK come from India, Pakistan, S Africa & Nigeria. All 3rd world countries struggling economically. Not from wealthy countries like Germany, France, Japan or Saudi Arabia. The reason is obvious. The underlying cause of economic migration has remained constant for the past 5000 years. Namely economic distress at home leading to extremely limited employment opportunities, esp for young people able & willing to work. PLUS a believe that the grass is greener on the other side. Otoh it really doesn't make sense for a millionaire cocoa farmer or an even wealthier oil mogul to leave his comfortable lifestyle for the uncertain & risky American terrain. The wealthy come to US to invest & to preserve their wealth; the poor emigrate to find work & survive. Big difference. The decision to emigrate is never taken lightly. Africans live in tightly knit extended families & generally prefer to stay at home on their ancestral lands. Leaving all that for an uncertain future in a foreign land is quite stressful & is often made as a last resort after all available options at home have been considered & found wanting. African immigrants are in essence no different from any other immigrants who have flocked to America from all over the world. The main reason Black Americans don't understand them is bec BA (unlike Whites etc) are probably the only Americans who did not come to America out of choice. Finally be careful when you talk abt class to descibe African societies which are tribal, agrarian & pre-industrial. Here's the thing: in the 4 Bantu languages I know there is no Indigenous word for "class". Is there in Lakota? Divisions are bet those who are politically connected & those who are not. Between those who are economically successful & who are not. Bet the educated elite & the uneducated masses. And if you really want the correct profile of your typical African immigrant look no further than Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Except he did return home. Hoping to ride his elite US education to political success. But which class did he belong to?
This video was really comprehensive, Jouelzy, especially the part about the levels of Haitian immigration. I try to stress to Americans that a lot of the oppressive immigrants they meet were doing the same thing to the poor population back home. The Haitians whose parents were able to transfer their status as lawyers, doctors, engineers, etc from Haiti to America, the ones attending college on a visa...those niggas are rich and influential with the attitude to match. My parents immigrated to the US and my dad did groundskeeping and my mother was packaging lettuce in a factory, so we could only cling to the pride in our history. Lol
As a Black British Caribbean Immigrant living in the US this was super informative and brought other perspectives I hadn’t really considered. The comments are further enlightening. This definitely needs a part 2!!
As a Jamaican immigrant, I agree with your viewpoint that migration transfers social hierarchies from various countries. In Jamaica, classism is a major issue that plagues our society. Wealthier Jamaicans usually believe that they're better than the lower class because they are closer to the British ideal than the latter. They speak standard English unlike the poor Jamaicans, who mainly speak patois. They also disdain dancehall music/culture, which is a product of the lower class. They aspire to be a reflection of British values. With this in mind, it is easy to see how the influx of immigrants creates a division within the black American population. These elite immigrants carry their superiority complex from their home country to their new land. Cultural differences (music, language, values) are the main cause of the division. As you mentioned, these hierarchies are rooted in the aspiration to whiteness and will discard anything that deviates.
Thank you Jouelzy for this conversation. I push back on the part where it’s mention that it’s either we are coming here as refugees or upper class. Many Haitians applied to come into the US like every other country and a family member in the US open up their homes to have them go to school and/or find a job. From there, you find your own home. It’s a community based effort.
Yes. The refugee thing is VERY recent. My parents generation were a part of the large exodus from Haiti to the US in the early 80s and most of them simply came to make money. They all were planning on “building a house back home” and intended to come back to retire, not realizing how that’s easier said than done when you spend most of your life in a more stable country
I am an indigenous South African, after university, I migrated to the US to be with my wife who was serving s a medical doctor. I grow up as a Pan-Africanist someone who empathized with Black people across the world. I studied the history of Black Americans and Black South Africans and saw a little bit of similarities but I was shocked when I got to the US. in my time in Americans I will say that I have never experienced hate from White people but almost 99% of the hate came from Black Americans. After talking to two of my African friends who are extremely educated in the STEM fields, who shared similar experiences as mine I came to accept that, It will benefit all of us to have a clear separation and clear differences. Africans and Black Americans are not the same and as for the FBA xenophobic group, I am loving them, let's mainstream them, let those African leaders know how Black Americans feel about them through their leader Tariq.
I’m Haitian and had this conversation with other Haitians. And boy oh boy they don’t understand. It’s really interesting but a lot of Haitians don’t know that Americans and French ruined Haiti. Black people coming from a country of black majority are used to see black professionals (ex. Doctors, lawyers, teachers etc.) So when they come here they are expected to be professionals. Plus the way the Haitians parents drill it their heads about sacrifices they had to make and stuff. Back to the conversation with other Haitians I had. It was weird because they don’t understand or know about African Americans history and how they also benefit from it or maybe they choose to ignore it. They really think they are working harder and African Americans are lazy. I try telling them about the traumas and stuff. The way when African Americans create their thriving towns but the white people burned it to the ground. It’s crazy. They called me a racist for defending African American. It was a trip. I was shocked. Nevertheless I’m really grateful for doing my own research and really understanding what’s really going on and also acknowledging my own privileges. A bit about me my grandpa was a political refugee back in the 60s or 70s. He was a senator and a lawyer in Haiti. He had to flee Duvalier. When he came here, he became a college professor. I totally understand what you are saying as some Haitians have privileges. My family in Haiti were part of that class for real. I’m expected to succeed in America cause if my grandpa was able to be a professor why not me. Just by this mindset I have privileges. I’m just one Haitian. My story is different from others.
Just proof that black Americans political groups like the congressional black caucus on both state & federal level need to RESTRICT immigrants from all backgrounds in USA until we get a handle on the homeless problem!! & heavily vet immigrants of all backgrounds Also USA didn’t damage Haiti compared to France! Yes USA did take gold that’s currently worth only 100 million but as for everything else that’s was completely y’all! And don’t start This Bs about USA propping up dictators !! Because ultimately it’s up to the people of those countries to control that situation like what us black Americans do in USA !! Those Haitians that are currently in Haiti trying to take control!! I respect them because there fighting back!! They didn’t flee! They want a better Haiti for there future descendants like black Americans in our ancestral land of USA
I'm glad you took the time to educate yourself on African American history. Most immigrants wouldn't be bothered but just grateful to be in our land while causing us much distress, adding onto white supremacy
Haitian-Americans & African-Americans who know our shared history know that if it wasn’t for the Haitian Revolution which began in the 1790s, the USA wouldn’t have been able to purchase the Louisiana territory which doubled the USA’s size in the early 1800s. Also, were it not for African-Americans and First Nations building the USA, Haitian-Americans wouldn’t have had the opportunities they’ve had to succeed in the USA.
That didn't help us in Louisiana, we still had plenty slave revolts after that an it didn't stop white racism. Plus we weren't called Africans here in America we were the true natives until they started changing our names from Indian, negro, colored, black and finally african American something Jesse Jackson an the liberals labeled us. My grandmother was Indian an that's my lineage. You haitians are the real Africans.
That was a bad thing for Louisiana black people. Many of the free ones had privileges as the French weren't as restrictive as Americans were. They lost those privileges when Louisiana became a part of the US and a foreign culture was forced on them.
Excellent excellent AMAZING!!! I cannot tell you this enough...you have tackled this very very problematic and nuanced topic splendidly! I'm from the Caribbean (not one of the bigger islands) and seeing this mess online makes me concerned because there is that old evil hand at play in the background, I've seen the hand before and it always knows how to effectively stir the pot! That evil hand creates castes and buffer classes and causes chaos, destruction happens and it picks up the valuable pieces. I always say, I don't do public black people infighting. I love my people we gotta be aware of a lot of things! We owe a lot to Black Americans...they're the tireless riders out here in the New World!!!
Whew chile, you just learned me something! I didn’t know a lot of this. I think this kind of information really does eliminate the desire yo argue about dumb diaspora war shit.
Thank you for also talking about the difference btwn Yvonne & Issa. I’m Senegalese American also, & saw the contrast btwn them but didn’t know how to articulate it😭. I also think tht difference is due to how Senegalese ppl (minority) are viewed vs how Nigerians(majority) are viewed in the US. And to add tht Yvonne comedic special was kinda cringey….& couldn’t watch past about 10 minutes…
My Great Uncle Cincinnatus Leconte was assassinated trying to dismantle such a system. He was wrongfully labeled anti-Syrian for wanting to ensure the the success and stability of Haitians. As a US born Haitian, I'm constantly dismissed as being more African-American for bringing up the harm foreign Black Americans cause, not only to the Black community at large, but the very people that made it possible for us to be here. Granted, we didn't warrant the xenophobic treatment manyof us received growing up, at the end the day the chicken soon come to roost. it's only a matter of time before the system of oppression that African-Americans are fighting to dismantle soon will have its way with it children. Stats have proven time after time, the tokenism you and i benefit from is not transferable. or children will not inherit it.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I would also like to add the impact of colonailism that pusges many immigrants further away from identifying with Blackness. Ngugi Wa Thiongo talks about the colonialism of the mind. Also there has been a discourse to construct Blackness as a Western centric perspective when it happens around the continent and the global as well. We see this with anti-Blackness in colorism, hating of local languages and preference to English and French. This topic is very nuanced and we cannot forget the role of white supremacy gloablly!
Some of these comments just show how hostile black Americans are but for some reason they always want to act victim. And why are they always making fun of other black people for migrating and calling it feeling, asians middle eastern and eastern europeans are taking their opportunities and migrate to america in greater numbers but they never call it fleeing.
Not all Haitians came as refugees but I think the newer migrants coming are refugees. Before there was not alot of black immigrants or Haitians at all. On top of that Haitians don’t exactly fit into the Caribbean, Latin, or black category because of their unique culture.
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I just found this and yesss 🥰💞💞
Pocket watchers this man rasied a million dollars....smh whonos this women is she a Democrat ? she a black women that in a greek sorority....lol
How could you not realize Immigrant Black people come from lands exploited by western nations in the first place. And the leader of the pack, The United States Of America.
Black Americans didn't even know African was talking big stuff lmaoooo your a Democrat and I bet I'd Asian put of some stuff that say how a certain race sexual exploit them you would call them homophobic you coward women like you are what white people like black folk (black is a ethnic group) are getting bout tired its gonna reach the masses
We are Hebrew Israelite Jews not African Americans.
I’m a black immigrant who has twice attended and work at an Ivy League institution. And I can say 99% of what you have said here is pure truth. Glad you differentiate the privilege too and the hierarchies even within the black immigrant groups, especially as a non-Jamaican anglo-caribbean black man. African Americans are given the short straw and black immigrants often turn a blind eye saying we are just better at holding our straws. It’s shameful.
It is extremely shameful and more people need to speak up about it.
So basically you were taking up spaces that should've have gone to Black Americans. The first Black Americans at Ivy Leagues were in the 1800s.
I just saw how black immigrants are receiving Juneteenth scholarships. Wild! Juneteenth is to celebrate the freeing of Americans slaves. How an immigrant who just got here receiving the benefit of that? Disgraceful!
Much needed discourse. I discuss in my video on the Miseducation of Haiti about how Haiti's misfortune has been ascribed to everything; from Earthquakes to Voodoo practices but has emphatically omitted, whether by ignorance or dishonesty, the French fault line that fractures Haiti.
I definitely have to watch!
Haitians promote the most ignorance about Haitians
Which video I would love to watch
As an African, having emigrated to “the west” within my lifetime, I found this video insightful and enlightening. Many thanks for sharing! “Most blacks aren’t looking to end white supremacy, they are just trying to improve their position within it.” 🖤🤑
As soon as you start with “I’m at a disadvantage, there’s a system against me” you already have a loser mindset
@@XERXESDOE then stop being a loser
@@XERXESDOE what? There isn't a system against black people?
@@XERXESDOE Doesn't matter what mindset you've got, the system still remains. You should read that last quote a few times over from his comment. It perfectly fits with what you just said in a couple ways and you just don't realize it.....
@@dawb86 Those tethers are simpletons. I think MLK and Malcolm X began to realize how pathetic those non-FBA were toward the end of their lives.
Thank you so much for this! My family is Nigerian and low income. They lived in the outskirts of Ibadan and they were not college educated. They went through a lot to make it here and I still recognize the privilege required for them to be able to make it through. They had to lean in on a lot of people who are able to help them through the system.
I grew up in PG County, and my family faced a lot of classism from other Nigerians because we were not just US poor but also Nigerian poor. It’s a lot of trauma and I can’t stand seeing Nigerians deny their privilege.
I’m Nigerian and I never had any privilege
@@bellaspivey6730 not just from Nigeria but people literally save up all they have and buy fake documents or come over on a travel visa/ student visa etc etc and stay illegally then apply for legal residency…and many other ways. The legal money route isn’t the only way people get to America. You’d be surprised how many ways you can get to America without being wealthy and educated.
What did that "classism" look like? You're either lying or a troll. Nigerians generally come together to help the folks (esp. women) who are struggling in the community. Especially in a place like the DMV. Unless y'all were disconnected from every church, mosque or cultural group, in which case.... well.
What the hell are you talking about? What privilege do Nigerians have? One of the things that helps Nigerians is they always have family in America before traveling and it’s the people they know who help them. Plus, it should be basic human nature to want to help an immigrant especially if you live in a country like the US. An especially if you’re AA as that’s a valuable connection
"We aren't fighting for liberation, we are fighting for small privileged spaces, allowed within a specific aesthetic"
What time stape they said dis?
Nigerian immigrant here. Let me watch and listen before commenting.
Edit ( after watching):
The Nigerian immigrants here in the US are not the elite of Nigeria. We were low class, at best lower middle class. Educated? yes, because in Nigeria that is one of the ways of escaping poverty and climbing the " class" system. So emphasis is placed on education and the attaining degrees that will bolster your place in society. But we are definitely not the elite.
I live in Houston and while the Nigerians in Houston are large in numbers and are seemingly " doing well" there is an underclass of Nigerians that are struggling and also illegal immigrants.Those various classes of Nigerians are in accord that the next generation ( their children) will be more successful than them. I tell my teenager kids this: I didn't come all the way from Nigerian for them to be average.
The real ELITE Nigerian are not in America. They are in Nigeria. Their children do not come to America either. They are educated in Britain and Switzerland and they swiftly return back to Nigeria after each semester and when they get their degree.
I am in a business group with African American women who are nurses. And those women are making moves, money moves. They are bold and savvy. The only " handicap "I see ( as an outsider) is that most are single mothers. African American women are a force to be reckoned with and as a Nigerian woman, I salute them.
Go back to your coutry
Very good point. Elites do not migrate actually. It might be difficult for her to understand.
That is an insightfully point.
I am a Black American who has moved to Ghana you can say the same thing is going on there it’s easier for Aa to succeed in Africa than say Africans who are from there due to our closeness to say whiteness.. i hate that Ghanaians put me on a higher Pedestal than their fellow Ghanaian… All we can do is help each other the best way we can and go about our lives because this diaspora war is Tiring.. I know my ancestors are from Africa and i love All my African ppl
Yup, I saw it first hand when I was in Accra!
Wow, thank you for sharing Khadijah🙌🏾‼️
Is it really just about proximity to Whiteness.... or is it about having more wealth? People have been talking about this issue for years now, I believe there was even a documentary about middle and upper-middle-class Black American descendants of U.S. slaves moving over to South Africa and living better than the local poor community. There's never a surprise when an immigrant group with more resources moves into a community and ends up having a better quality of life than the local poor population. Why........because when they have resources & are foreign it allows for them to be romanticized and looked at more favorably than the local poor communities whose plight can be blamed by the local ruling class. The local ruling class will never hold themselves accountable for why the local poor are poor and so they will romanticize the upward mobility of foreigners.....Malcolm Gladwell wrote about this and his piece "Black Like Them" in the 1990s.
Like.... let's be honest, the vast majority of the Black Americans who are moving over to Ghana are not the dirt poor Black Americans LOL
@@13579hee Hey it could be that as well i never looked at it from that prospective… Great food for Thought
@Miss Lilith All me and my American friends are doing big things are helping locals by employing them paying them a livable wage as well as investing in their business so keep your Negativity to yourself and ask yourself what are you doing to improve Africa
I think the Bronx Fire showed us that not all Africans come from a bourgeois background, I think the victims were mostly Gambian, Guinean and from Ivory Coast. As someone who grew up in Kansas City and have lived throughout the Midwest. A lot of the Africans I’ve lived around have come from places like Liberia, South Sudan and Somalia and I would say it seemed like the majority of them were from low income / refugee backgrounds and definitely different situations to Nigerians. I do think sometimes when people see or hear African immigrants they picture a well to do Nigerian immigrant which is not the case at all.
I’m not sure about the last statement. I don’t think that most envision African immigrants as “well-to-do.”
@@jessicam.4777 I didn’t think so either until recently, I do think there is a new narrative of well do to Africans moving over here, but I think Jouelzy did a good job of breaking down how accurate that is.
Not necessarily. I have met many African immigrants in the Northeast who don’t come from money or are still very much working class. Especially in NY.
@@elephantintheroom8561 I get what you’re saying. But I don’t think social media is a good way to measure true sentiment (not saying this is what you’ve intimated). I think there has been a full on effort on part of some black immigrants to seem or appear a certain way across media, whether that’s for their own esteem, white gaze, or genuine pride, I’m not sure. I’m guessing people who overly consume or believe everything they see on media…could be misled by these things and thus believe an entire ethnicity is rich. But I do think a basic knowledge of stats as well as how the US utilizes their immigration system to include/exclude certain people, would help some people’s understanding. I think this “kinda” ties into the point you were making about Jouelzy. I’ve also come across articles that attempt to lead readers a certain way about high-achieving immigrants, type of work, income, etc, without accounting for some important factors. Language and wording is important and it seems in some literature, the reader is led to think a certain way, when the stats/numbers don’t necessarily paint the same picture. So, then I question, what is the value in having me believe this or think a certain way about this specific group of people (or thing)… Whose attention is the author trying to grab and why… What is the purpose of the research and how will it be used…
Fellow Kansas City raised person here. I never envisioned all Africans as well to do, although I knew some (mainly Nigerians in my experience) were. Now that I go to prominent hbcu, I can see where people get the impression that black immigrants are all wealthy, especially on the east coast! It’s like night and day the type of access that different groups have, at least from my view. This video definitely shed some light on why that may be.
Okay, I'm up let's get into this! These topics are really interesting to me because I am First Generation with one parent who has been here since they were 6 (Jamaican) and one who has been here since they were 18/19 (Saint Lucian.)
Yo, not you bringing up my hidden colors trauma. Had to watch so many cousins watch it and be like-oh so y'all don't read history books, bet. Calling Buddha Black and not knowing the historical figure was Indian. Le Sigh.
Every part of the diaspora got historically snitch light skin communities. You hate to see it.
I really enjoyed this video and you bringing up the history. So many people miss that in the desire to cause drama via Twitter. It is a layered issue and we all need to do better and call out whoever is pitting us against each other. Also, the lip game is perfect as always
Thank you! I know ppl are going to go w the title but it’s 40 mins for a reason 😘
Hey Lucian!!!!
The original people of India and Buddha WERE BLACK.
@@jouelzy I think Black people as a whole globally need to do some self reflection…More of our children know who Lil Durk is, and not David Adjaye (Google him) who is the world’s most celebrated and greatest architect literally a living legend married to a black woman, and 99% of our children don’t know who he is
I definitely agree that Too many Black ‘leaders’ nowadays put out ‘facts’ that are questionable at best. However it is quite possible that the Buddha was phenotypically black. There are islands in the Indian ocean where the inhabitants are Phenotypical blacks but are genetically Asian and they still exist today. Those Asiatic blacks inhabited mainland Asia till about 500 years ago. Nowadays they’ve been driven to the hills in places like the Philippines and Indonesia with modern day soft genocidal tactics imposed by the government. Ancient Japanese and Chinese scrolls feature people who were clearly dark skinned (as we understand dark skin to be) with hair typical of Africans. And in some of their religious texts such as the Indian rig Veda, they clearly describe ancient race wars. There is clearly more than one type of ‘Black.’ They have maternal lines that do not converge with African ones. But ninjas do embellish to maximize achievements tho🤷🏽♀️
Thank you for addressing this. As a young black American physician I have always wondered why most of my black peers were almost exclusively Nigerian 🤔 I knew there had to be some systemic injustices keeping fellow black descendants of slaves from getting to those spaces. So so important to discuss this. Say more!
The system will always be there love, you have to learn to work your way around it. Please stop complaining about it, black immigrants work hard to get to where they are.
The system is hard on both African Americans and Nigerians to become physicians. The reason that you see more Nigerians in those spaces is because they have the financial or educational backing from their parents. However, if you were to compare Nigerians and African Americans with the same SES (socioeconomic status), then you see the same outcomes. People with lower SES (which tend to be Black) are barred from entering these spaces. Essentially, it's not because they are immigrants, it's because of their SES. Majority of physicians come from privileged backgrounds.
@@2cut32handle not just hard work is getting them there and this is coming from a first generation Jamaican.
@@2cut32handle you watched or (didn’t watch) this video and learned nothing. 🙄
@@rellie_90 😂😂😂
As a black American with grandparents who were sharecroppers and an immigrant, this Diasporic war has always been frustrating and bizarre to me. Like you said, immigration creates a hierarchy. And the anger at this hierarchy created is often misdirected. It’s fascinating that this idea of immigrants working harder came from a black American. Understanding that these ideas are intrinsically based on white supremacist, imperialistic and capitalistic ideals on both sides is so important. Thank you for shedding light on the full picture.
Is the anger really "misdirected" when black immigrants have willingly, intentionally leaned into the white supremacist anti-black American ethnophobic narratives about black American descendants of U.S. slaves because it literally benefits them? I
@@13579hee while accountability is necessary, I think we shouldn’t forget to critique what is so beneficial about aligning oneself with those systems and actively work to dismantle said systems.
@@Nooooooooooooooooooooo7913 we can talk about what's beneficial but people have free will. Individuals that are willingly aligning themselves with problematic systems are going to be the ones to dismantle them? Who is this labor being required of... cuz the people that want in on this system aren't going to dismantle it LOL
@@13579hee Facts...The Black immigrants have made it clear they side with white supremacy. They see whites as benefactors.
@@BuffyNoir140 this blanket statement is very concerning. No we don’t need to try to be in community with all black people (immigrant or not) but to write off all black immigrants as white supremacists agents is literally insane. Coonery exists within black Americans too. Some of are greatest black American civil rights thought leaders were of Caribbean decent from Malcolm X to Kwame Ture. And these immigrants aren’t going anywhere and are mixing in with the black American population. I’m living proof of that. So why can’t we unite? I’m not saying that it’ll be easy and there’s work to do on both sides. And obviously black immigrants need to understand and respect the groundwork that black Americans laid out to be able to be here. But we’re already sorely outnumbered as black Americans so why are we further alienating ourselves? What good will that do? I’m not claiming to have all the answers but I’m saying… like damn.
Antiblackness complicates the African immigration crisis, but anti-immigration sentiments for all immigrants have increased drastically across the globe.
Whenever the economy is bad and people are afraid these things happen
That is because economies are struggling
@@ad05techdotorg50 There's something about the tone of that man's discussions that reminds me of a better fed, more articulate version of the "economic anxiety" displayed by White working class Brits during the lead-up to the Brexit campaign (and before, and after, and just in general). Anti immigrant sentiments have so many similarities across the board.
True
Go back to your home land and fix it
Black American people got this thing where we feel like we cant be proud of ourselves and our culture. Its like we feel cant acknowledge our culture and our experiences without including other black people, and if we do, then its some how a slight to other members of the diaspora.
I can certainly see that. Everything is comparative. The youth tend to be willing to work with one another and include one another but isn't always so. There's an obsession with creating hierarchies and distance.
"If we do....the disporia". We really do wich is disheartening because AA deserve their own space just and any other group and they have the right to proud of it. It not a jab to others its a celebration of oneself and their many plight to get where we are today. I may be reaching but I feel as though a flag specifically represent AA is much needed. That would be a great first start. The rbg and American one just don't do it for me lol!
This is true 👏🏾
Or you’re participating in the one drop rule , something others don’t seem to do. Our culture is open to any and everyone and anybody can be black in America , if they darken enough and curl their hair even as a full white person black Americans will give them the black card. This is our fault for not wanting to gate keep .
@@PrincessYonna1 That's what Tariq has been saying. We put ourselves on the back burner for too long, and now that we are putting ourselves first, suddenly it's a problem for these immigrant groups. Tariq is right about this. You can disagree with him personally, but he's on the money on this one.
I'm definitely living on the opposite side of the conversation (but using my relative privilege). I have a lot of Jamaican aunts and uncles (I'm not Jamaican) who married my American Black relatives and their access to American society was always different than mine. Their understanding of America was just fundamentally different. For them, hard work was enough to get ahead and to change their station in life. For us, hard work kept us treading water (sometimes that wasn't enough). Fast forward to a couple of years ago, I moved from the US to a European country and I noticed that my access to society is different compared to those who are Black citizens from the Caribbean and to those who are Black citizens from former colonies in Africa. Hard work has been enough for me to get ahead. Not only that but there's a mystification about my story and a willingness to help that was notably absent in the US (no, Europeans are not inherently nicer). It reminds me of how Oprah started a school in South Africa but completely turned up her nose at Black Americans when they asked for help. The way that I explain it is that Black immigrants start from zero, while Black citizens start in the negative. I am not rich, but I have facilitated access to elite spaces that my friends who are Black citizens only dream of. I feel safe from violent racism here, while my Black citizen friends have physical, generational trauma from the racism that my host country has inflicted upon their communities. I hang out with my Black friends from other parts of the world and I am always treated better once people hear my accent. I definitely experience anti-Blackness, but it's a lighter kind because I'm not associated with citizen Black folks.
that is so true in order to compete in this y have to educate work hard and single out the bullshit from productivity no one cannot bring the pass back but remember y are in charge of y distiny
To original commenter: everything you say goes right back to MENTALITY. If you change your MENTALITY, you change your outcome.
Which european country is this?
This was the BEST comment I have read. Thank you for so eloquently explaining this. I am waiting for your video 😃
You are a living example of the negative psychic and historical energies that nations build up against what they see as their cultural adversaries. I theorized the same thing. Being Foundational Black American, without the liberty of living elsewhere, I have come to realize that white Americans are vested in maintaining black americans in poverty and without access to resources. While the same tend to roll out the red carpet for black immigrants. Black immigrants are very disingenuous when they say they achieved because black americans are lazy. Historically, that is simply a falsehood. Rather, immigrants do well because whites don't have the psychic and historical energy to "place" immigrants as they do with Foundational Black Americans. We are from the Tubman and Douglas and King and Malcolm X bloodline. We have struggled up every step of the way. This has manifested the vitriol and psychic hate that we encounter everywhere in America: Economics, Politics, Culture, Intellect and Spirit. We find ourselves having to fight for everyone of those imperatives of mankind. While others who are here because of our lineage are very unflattering and even vicious against us. We must do better to build our community.
Idk your work ethic is unmatched!
Also have had audible through your link for months 😁
I am a Nigerian immigrant that's lived in America for 30 years and have been a racial justice organizer/advocate/educator for 15 years.
You get a message when you come to this country. For most immigrants it's probably implicit but I'm sure for some it's explicit. You are told to not only distance yourself from Black folks from here, but shun and shame them. It is implied that if you do this you will succeed and if you don't you will suffer.
The problem is less that their told this about Black Americans, but that so many believe and accept it
@@RebelWithoutABoss we believe the same way we believed Africans were backwards before white people came to use us as slaves and colonized us b
This, i remember growing up and my parents telling me to distance myself from black American folk while simultaneously being reminded that i myself was black and would be expected to work harder than my white counterparts. That people can hold both these thoughts to be true is wild, still call my mom out on it every now and again given we now exist in the privileged "elite" of Nigerian immigrants even further removed from the systemic disenfranchisement that has made 'success' of black Americans in America a massive hurdle.
@@JoyFay yep! We forget there is a huge propaganda machine we are fighting against that has been developed over centuries.
@@JoyFay Nope, Black Americans, even though believing some stereotypes would never tell their children not to associate, marry, etc, black immigrants or keep them out of our organizations or limit their ability to rise in our organizations. This is something black immigrants routinely do according to many of their children, and the rules of their clubs that deny BAs and according to Jouelzy, award shows that only allow Nigerians.
Black Americans don't do these things, and if you could find that 1 or 2 BAs that would, it'd be less that 1%. It's only recently that some of us are starting to think like that, and it's only due to realizing these skinfolk don't see us as kin folk.
Much needed conversation. I always like your videos because you add the historical view point. As someone who is half Black american and Caribbean, I feel torn. I think a lot of the frustration from BAs is that a lot of black immigrants say BAs don’t have culture while partaking and benefiting from BA culture. It feels like BA culture is for all black people but other ethnicities get to gate keep their culture.
Wow. So well said. This is definitely a very good comment worth a conversation.
I think the second generation Immigrant blacks are aware of this and standing in solidarity with AA , acknowledging AAVE and blending, welcoming and sharing more.
BA culture really IS the “culture”, the trends , the cool stuff and folks in and outside America partake in it while still keeping AA people and their struggles “down”. I’m so glad to see this being discussed more.
Very well said!! It’s a slap in the face to hear non BA claim we don’t have culture while partaking in our said culture. I’m honestly starting to think people may not know what the definition of culture is. Especially since they blast our music, eat our foods, and adorn themselves in our fashions. It’s beyond sad
Exactly black American culture it seems every black person culture in America while other black people across the globe have their own separate culture that black Americans can’t dare touch and just walk into and embrace . It’s unfair that ppl think they’re obligated over everything when it comes to black Americans but this is also our fault for being too nice , participating in the one drop rule STILL, and ignoring our own culture to feel included with Africans, many BA don’t even know they have their own language and heritage flag.
That is such a ridiculous argument. I have heard Europeans say the same thing about Americans. That because you're such a young country, you don't have a culture. And yet it's the culture most of the world consumes. Of course, BA have culture! I once met a Belgian say America has no culture, and one day I watched a documentary about Belgium, and to my surprised I found out that the country is younger than the US!
As an African (Ghanaian) that lives in Canada, please understand gatekeeping African culture to other black folk is wack. Please engage with what you please. So long as you research, ask questions, and ethically engage.
This was a good conversation... as an immigrant that has benefitted from the system you definitely opened my eyes.
@@ad05techdotorg50 you're not Afro-American.
@@ad05techdotorg50
The "Diaspora" is a big fat lie!!!
Where are you from
@@browneyes7841 that's ok. Not all blacks in America are Afro-Americans. We have Black Latinos and Black Caribbean-Americans as well....
Afro-Americans still comprise 90% of the Blacks in America.....and Some Afro-Americans have Caribbean lineages, especially in Louisiana..
Go back to your home land and fix it
I am a Jamaican immigrant and I my friend told me I have more privilege because I am an immigrant. I never understood where she got that from but now I know.
Lineage Matters for African American (Freedmen) - the reality of the situation is flatting blackness in America has been harmful to one group and is not done anywhere else in the world.
You’ve been everywhere in the world?
@@jouelzy Everywhere no, but I’ve traveled to 13 African countries and have met lots of well traveled black immigrants and it very clear that tribalism, classism, delineation of language and culture is very strong in black nations. I don’t understand why African American (Freedmen) taking pride in what our ancestors built and wanting the fruit of that labor is a problem for everyone who claims to be an ally.
@@HonorableSienna jealousy
@@cerromeceo exactly! We are a unique group of people whose ancestors built the country that everyone is living off of. That’s why we deserve reparations for us and ONLY us!
First let's stop calling ourselves african American we are indigenous afro Americans. Check out Dane Calloway, he breaks it down.
Nigerians are loud and proud of their identity, which comes with its pros and cons. There needs to be an acknowledgment of classism that exists within Nigeria and its immigrant communities. There is so much emphasis placed on status and money. Education is valued because it correlates to better opportunities, status, and financial attainment. Education is not valued simply for the attainment of knowledge. This is why the arts and history, for example, tend to be underrepresented and deemphasized for Nigerians.
You hit the nail on the head about selective immigration and the lottery system for Nigerians. In the 2000s Nigerian immigrants have more resources available and had an easier transition into US society compared to the pre-2000s immigrants. They are also coming into cultural communities/organizations that have already been established. (Nigerians are a collectivist culture)
Most of the Nigerian immigrants in the USA are Igbo. A lot of Igbos emigrated from Nigeria after the Biafra War (1970s) because they were marginalized. There was a greater emphasis on these batch of immigrants to assimilate into whatever the dominant society was. There are some that integrated into African American communities. However, we can't ignore the effects of white supremacy. There is a vast majority that associated themselves with white society thus stripping themselves of their Nigerian identity e.g. by not speaking their language, anglicizing their name, etc. (This is an effect that is seen globally, white people possess the majority of power. Therefore people align themselves closer to whiteness in order to gain that access to power) There is a lot of nuance in the Nigerian immigrant community, but often when discussions are had they are usually representative of one type of immigrant and a broad paintbrush is stroked on the whole group. There isn't enough discussion on how these viewpoints are toxic to the Nigerian immigrant community. I know it was brushed over in this video, but there is a vast majority of Nigerians that are disadvantaged in the USA and Nigeria because they were unable to "succeed." What is the lasting impact of those Nigerian communities/organizations in the USA that are perceived to be successful? Also, what does success mean?
Yvonne Orji requires her own separate video lol. She comes from a very privileged family, therefore her views are not reflective of the average Nigerian. Within the community, we are aware of people that wear their "Nigerianness" as a brand or personality but are disconnected from the actual experiences of the people. Yvonne is one of those people.
I know that I wrote a lot, but these diaspora conversations annoy me because Black people are disadvantaged globally. The common enemy missing from these conversations are the effects of white supremacy and capitalism on these communities (African Americans and the Black Diaspora).
You ate this up
Yea to all of this
@@usernameaz602 Does that report or stat account for the fact that there are approximately 2000 languages in Nigeria alone and English is not the native language of any tribe? What metric were they measuring this literacy by? 🤔
@@chattinattitv2805 "...in any language."
this breakdown. yes. +1 for mentioning there there are quite a few disadvantaged Nigerian immigrants in the USA. My own parents come from modest means and are still working class in this country. Those with the most privilege end up being the most visible, therefore seen as representatives of the exceptional Nigerian immigrant.
Great discussion. I think what also needs to be discussed is the lack of longevity for the "model minority" family. There's always a new poster child for the American Dream BS this country tries to sell. Second generation Immigrant-American social outcomes, look similar to AA. There is no privilege once they're lineage is thoroughly integrated into the American system. We could do so much more together...
Yes I totally agree! It only take one generation and all the "wealth" gained is gone most of the times.
I thnk you've just made the arguement why 'black immigrants' shouldn't mix with black americans.
@@wordsbymaribeja1470 That’s not the reality at all. The fact of the matter is, black immigrants descendants will be black people in America, and not black people who’ve come to America. My parents are Jamaican. I was born in America, and if I have a child that child is now two generations removed from Jamaica. Will I try to pass my culture down? Absolutely. Will they have the same I experience I did with immigrant parents, or my parents did growing up in Jamaica? Absolutely not. Their experience will be more similar to their black American peers, even if my partner is also a Jamaican-American because we’re both black people who grew up in America and not immigrants to this country.
@@jjayjae_ Oh look another leech.
Yes! As an immigrant, I have absolutely made this point that children of educated immigrants under perform their parents. So what's up with the US education system that causes that? What's the US obsession with the model minority that is so often an immigrant?
Its time for Black Americans to get that check. And no mind game or moral goal post moving will change that. At the core of the conversation is reparations. And it will be a constant battle until that is achieved.
They will never give us the reparations we deserve.
@PSN-stackg504 💯
I will never stop pointing out reparations!!!!
Black Conservatives don't want reparations as well...just opportunity...
@ Chris Young keep your defeatist mentality to yourself.
Tariq and I got into it on Twitter when I pointed out his hypocrisy because he advised BM to marry bi-racial women...but ONLY the ones with white mothers because "girls tend to take on the characteristics of the mother". He literally said that, I kid you not! I even posted the audio of him saying that. And when he ran out of arguments and I didn't back down, he blocked me. One of my proudest moments.🙌🏾
I'm curious what his arguments against his toxicity were. I can never take him seriously after he said that. But his wife is biracial (although he calls her black lmao) so...no surprise.
@@LisePlansandJournals at first he was copping pleas, saying the recording was out of context, then he pivoted accusing me of being a “hater” because I’m a Black immigrant. And when none of it worked, he blocked me 😁
This is why when I saw Nigerians angry at him and using him as representative of AA, I rolled my eyes 👀 😳. I was like mannnn...my Nigerian people why are you getting angry....this dude does not represent a huge majority of AA. Especially not the women
@@Sarah-cj8rm an you don't represent black Americans. Nobody will get mad if you are with a mixed black man why are you tripping on him being with a mixed black woman? Also only african immigrants and black immigrants are african.
I can't defend Tariq for that nonsense. I notice he never owns up to that or corrects that directly, but he does indirectly. But he's allowed to mature. I definitely don't think he'd ever say something so careless today. It still doesn't negate the facts of this diaspora disrespect discussion though.
I'm married to a Cameroonian. Many were shocked on how much I understood about their culture and the diaspora in general. I tried to be respectful to their customs but many viewed me as an outsider. I'm like-Damn I'm not even in your country and you trying to tell me about assimilation GTFO. Additionally, I peeped a lot of shit from visiting the Cameroonian church. So much classism and colorism. Ironically, a lot of them like black folks in the sense they don't have shit but still front like they do. Most people hide their traumas and agenda. If they can bleach their skin and live in white communities, they are suddenly more American than you. I'm like-Ya'll can have this illness of the American dream.-I end up distancing myself from them.
Ewl you married them.
Have you been to Cameroon. I assure you what you see and experience will be different. What you see here is insecurity and ignorance.
I could give two sh*******ts. That person just fk***d up their legacy.
I feel you...but we are all West Africans and there is really no us vs them. Continental born Cameroonians especially solely French speaking Cameroonians are under the hypnosis that they are more "African" than we are in America...and yet they only compete with we American born Africans about who's African and who's not but, will break their necks to buck dance for and with white people from any and every country in the world.......we are all sick as a global African family and in need of immediate ethnic therapy. White nationalism has done a hell of a job on our Diaspora.
@@Nimonjeua-Ndiangang no tf we are not. Or else we would have heritage to a specific tribe in africa. Yall running around promoting identity confusion and stupidity. While blk immigrants are running around tribalistic af. BLK IMMIGRANTS SEE UR DU.****m arse as competition because they are not blk 1st. They literally target other blk ppl to pull dwn in order to pull themselves up. because thats their culture. And Americans are not special they target blk ppl near them. South African are NOT xenophobic. They are literally defending themselves against being targeted
Very informative and thorough breakdown. However, your being disingenuous because your playing the middle ground. The average African American has the experience of coming into contact with African immigrants who have an aire of Superiority when it comes to us. Innumerable African Americans will tell you of African immigrants “they think they are better than us”
And vice versa. Plenty of Black Americans who behave like Africans on /from the continent are 'junior Black', backward and somehow in awe of all things American esp the Black American aesthetic. I copped hell being the only first generation African all through school and literally & physically had to fight for respect , to set boundaries and to let folks know that those 'Africa jokes' are unfunny, ignorant & certainly won't fly in my presence. So there is plenty of work to be done on both sides and we are stronger together as the global African family.
@@MegaDiva1999 I have noticed that whenever there is a rebuttal to a comment like the OP it is always about ignorant immature children. The OP is about what we experience as adults and it's true.
@Pinkie I don't have to "paint" reality. As an adult YOU are responsible for your healing NOT blacks Americans who have also been abused. If another adult is spitting on you then do something about but using that as argument when we have also seen black Americans be bullied by immigrants is silly.
The fact that you used both coast as an argument is astonishing. NY and Florida has a heavy flow of DR AND PR immigrants who are very racists against black people. CA has race and turf wars. Get out of here trying to shame me because I noticed a pattern. So sick of adults who know they have childhood trauma not do any work to fix it and then try to force to accept abuse. My comment wasn't even deserving of your level of response as my statement was an observation.
@@MegaDiva1999 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
We are uneducated about each others' paths through slavery and colonialism and now capitalism. Each group wants to believe they some how had it worse than all the others. We are grading things from a westernized perspective. We are competing for a prize that will never be.
Period
Know your own past and thats the issue man.. Learn self first
Great recommendation by Fiq the Signifier. This was a beautifully articulated narrative and I am officially invested. Looking forward to part 2
Jouelzy you came through with this one. My ancestors were murdered on this soil they call Alabama. We don't care if Martians land and claim Asylum... CUT...THE DAMN...CHECK!
P.S. Happy EARLY Birthday (month) Black woman 🎂 #B1 #BlackFirst
LOVE ❤️ the username!
There is a debt owed to my ancestors, pay the debt. It’s simple
Please and thank you! 😌 (Louisiana)
Flawda here. Amen. Pay ADOS
@@rellie_90 the tether babel in these comment sections. Africans getting kicked out of countries and they still blame Black Americans.
@@backtalk9343 god bless you. Florida is nothing more than southern Alabama. Stay safe out there black family.
Interesting analysis. Honestly, I have less of a problem with the over-representation and more of an issue with the anti-Black American rhetoric in the diaspora community in the U.S. I also wonder why you left that out of your analysis.
You didn’t watch the whole video. That’s why you’re wondering.
@@jouelzy I did, ma'am.
@@jouelzy you never hit that aspect of the discussion "hard"- you play it soft right after playing the disciplinarian with us (black Americans). We didnt start these "diaspora wars" and you know that. We have grown tired of the vitriol and disrespect that they directed towards us for many years, on and offline meanwhile being beneficiaries of the sacrifices made by our group in this country. They don't need to say a word to us except "thank you."
She has a lot of friends who are immigrants so she’s definitely not going to give a real talk about the anti black American hate that’s happening in the diaspora and how a lot of this immigrants are sitting in spaces created for and made for black Americans while disrespecting us. She’s not going to talk about how they claim we have not culture while listening to our music, and copying our aesthetic (cause they damn sure ain’t wearing what they would wear in their homeland) she’s not going to talk about the derogatory names they specifically made for African Americans, or how they come here and align themselves with white people and push back on movements or things we have here. For ex. Many Africans have pushed back on reparations and even some said we shouldn’t have a black history month, and also Immigrants at HBCUs excluding African Americans from joining frats or sororities it’s disgusting we never go to their homeland and do these things.
As a 1st gen South Sudanese immigrant, thank you for this conversation! The ways in which immigrant experience can make one feel ostracize in the black community is so real. That’s on top of the diaspora discourse.
"There's productivity in understanding the systems at play." As a first generation Jamaican I love these honest conversations. So glad you brought up classism and how it ties into the concept of exceptionalism and selective migration. It's such a nuanced issue and you did it justice 👏🏽 Will add that most present day Haitians that immigrate to the US are refugees that are treated awfully by both African Americans and Caribbean immigrants 😞. They rarely benefit from the model minority myth. Looking forward to the day when we can be honest like this on a broad scale and build a better life for Black people.
I’m recent months I’ve really had to sit with the xenophobia I lobbied at Haitian people throughout my teens. I’m so ashamed of myself.
Well said
Same
I disagree. Many immigrants come to the US without knowing enough about the American Black experience and jump to conclusions about them. Immigrants come here criticizing the American Black and the US while benefitting on levels the American Black has fought so hard to be able to receive and still fighting. Also, immigrants increase the crime in the US.
@@w9906 That's not true. I don't think you should jump to conclusions about Black immigrants. Because the experience is not monolithic. And it sounds like you're upset about some experiences you've had with a person who is an immigrant. But don't paint immigrants a specific way because your bad experience with one. Also immigrants increasing crime is also not true. You do realize that what you're saying about immigrants is what racist people say about us Black people.
Imma speak on the experiences that I know of. Immigrants come to America to gain opportunities, not steal or take away from citizens. They don't come to criticize African Americans. They come to provide for their families just like anybody else. Our experience is learning/living American customs while also keeping in tact our roots, our customs. Which is not an easy feat if I do say so myself. We experience racism, and colorism in our own countries; that does not disappear because we're on American soil. Black immigrants experience American racism just like African Americans. Also, I have to say Black immigrants have not just recently immigrated. We've been in America since slavery times.
I can speak for Haitian immigrants specifically; we fought in the American Revolution alongside Americans. We've also been enslaved in America as African Americans have. Why do you think certain things in the culture of African Americans from Louisiana is similar to Haitian culture? Haitians also have had to fight slavery off in Haiti. We got a win for all of us, not just for us ourselves. We were the 1st to win our freedom, which has inspired many African Americans because it was a win for the Black race. It even inspired rebellions in other countries.
Honestly, African Americans and Black immigrants aren't, so far apart as we've claimed to be. The only thing that I say separates us is our different experiences because all Black people aren't monolithic. Also, because we've all been robbed of some parts of our identity due to slavery it has made us feel even further apart from our customs.
P.S. this is a topic for another day, but Black immigrants have also lost parts of our identity due to slavery. For Haitians specifically if you observe our names they are mainly French because we were colonized by the French. However, I think if we go back further we'll see that our African names were stripped away too, and replaced with French names.
P.S.S. If you don't agree that's fine I just wanted to explain part of the Black immigrant experience to you.
Imma watch have to watch a few times before I can give a cohesive holistic comment. But you've definitely given me something to think on. I don't like the discourse online against immigrants, and i also don't like how others in the diaspora acts like they don't have Pookies back at home.
Excellent coverage of this heated topic🙌🏽
Very very thorough discussion, thank you❤️ As a 2nd gen who has a Senegalese father that migrated to study at a HBCU, & actually worked at said HBCU for 30yrs (where I also graduated from) my upbringing in the US & my attitude towards AA is different compared to the majority of black immigrants. So, the diaspora wars & the discussions around it (esp. on TikTok) is somewhat new to me b/c I did not grow up having or hearing these negative sentiments towards AA, but it is definitely eye opening!
The accuracy of this video Afro Guyanese speaking
Most ppl believe that it is an Indian country because of selective immigration
The big problem with your Nigerian analysis is you know nothing about Nigeria. Nigeria economic lines do not cut across culture, family, geographic location - it cuts across money. Nobody cares if you're Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa, or from this or that family once you level up, you're in the party. That's why Nigerians DO NOT have hostility towards their upper class as might be the case in America. However, everyone regardless of ethnic group is aggrieved by the POLITICAL class.
The upper class of any race or ethnic is always the source of suffering of people in lower classes via exploitation. Upper class people also tend to hold the most political power as well.
@@jinx526 Sure, and true. But where people feel that access to upper class is not limited by identity, they are not likely to hold as much ill will (either because they believe they can get there and change things for the better or exploit it for their own selfish benefit). This is the case in Nigeria. Everybody has wealthy set of (and poor) individuals from their direct communities.
I'm a Black American, not the daughter, granddaughter, nor great-granddaughter of immigrants. However, to many MANY ppl, I look like I am. So I've had many a thing said to me about Black Americans by these many ppl and I developed some resentment, some jadedness. I appreciate this conversation so much. I'd rather not "feel some type of way" all my life so hearing reasonable, objective (as much as one can be, we're only human lol) discourse about the hierarchies and constructs built to keep us fighting each other is difficult, yet soothing to hear. I know in my logical mind that to generalize based on the fraction of immigrants I've encountered is wholly wrong and there is so much more going on under the surface of the belittling and judgemental comments I've been exposed to. This video was sobering, took me out of my own bubble of feelings and I thank you for that.
If everyone would accept the fact that 1)flat-Blackness does not exist 2)fictive kinship is fictive 3)each different ethnic group is deserving of their own redress that individuals from different ethnic groups are not qualified to receive and 4)that we must always hold accountable the state which oppresses each individual ethnic group differently... these problems wouldn't be problems
I can agree with everything but 3) because redress carries a reformist sentiment. What is owed to the slave? (The end of) Everything. Abolition or bust.
@@jinmushui1soul redress is literally not reform. And you cannot by any means try to associate every social ill to come out of white supremacy with the plight of the enslaved in America in their descendants. There are tons of descendants of slaves in the Caribbean fighting for reparations right now and no one is derailing that conversation by saying to them well redress is reform of the entire system of white supremacy. This all-or-nothing attitude seems to only get applied to Black Americans when we seek redress
@@13579hee they don't talk this way about CARICOM
This
@@devPunks exactly
Tariq is so problematic. I want people to learn moe about Haiti's history. But that 1804 documentary is sensationalism if I wore to call it anything. As a Haitian, I want people to recognize our ancestors (across the Diaspora's) brilliance. But I reject anything that makes us seem outer worldly, magic and down right ahistorical. He gives out Historical Fiction and smartly interwine his biases (Black male superiority ideas) with historical facts. Unfortunately, many are unable to decipher between the two. That's my two cents.
His Buck Breaking doc, my sister introduced it to me and I recognized immediately the Black male victimhood fantasy. I couldn't finish it. Tariq's projects are popular in part to Black folx need/want to trauma bond and build their self-confidence (even not in whole truth)
The “black male victim hood fantasy” that’s all I read. What if I said that the other way? 🧐🧐🧐
Lmao @ “that’s all I read” 🥴 y’all just want to argue but have no points.
Totally forgot about 1804 documentary 😭 such a grifter. It’s interesting that his Black male superiority went from Pan-Africanist to anti-immigration. It’s all a money grab. And ppl eat it up bc it makes them feel powerful
I am African American but I feel that African Americans are unfair to African immigrants. Our experience is not their experience. We shouldn't put that pressure on them. I was raised in the South so I wasn't raised around immigrants but I noticed when I moved to Washington DC, that has African immigrants from all over Africa. Ethiopians are the only ones I had a bit of a problem with. Nothing major, although I had a few to remind me that my ancestors were bought here in chains. I found it disturbing that made them happy. Who should be ashamed, the enslaved or the enslaver? Other than that, I found the African immigrants ambitious and prosperous. I got along well with most of them. African Americans rarely get along with other minorities. We talk about slavery all the time. The worse kind of slavery is mental slavery. People who have come to get ahead, save money and help their families back home do have time to take on unnecessary stress. There is no wonder we have so much hypertension, we stress out about things we can't change. Make the best of your situation because racism will always exist in the world and in the US, but will you let it hold you back?
Hello, what problem did you face with Ethiopians in Washington?
@@Zeyede_Seyum I loved them and I go to church with them but when the are in a group they change. They are ok one on one, but when they are in a group they become very arrogant. I love them anyway. Selam!
@@teddydavis2339 Am sorry to here that, Selam Yibzalik Teddy
@@Zeyede_Seyum No problem brother, it's not your fault. I still treat them with respect.
I wonder why they have such a big issue with Africans down there especially Nigerians.
All Day FBA! We're controlling our own narrative and when it comes to your Zaddy's talking points, we are not hearing it. We don't flee, we fight to be free. Bars!🇺🇸🙏🏾.
Damn! I haven't heard what she has to say yet. But is she one of these DIE-vesting tethers from Africa or the Caribbean Islands?
Absolutely we don't flee we fight.
Apparently we did flee after slavery, to Liberia. That was the best time and probably the only time we fled.
@@So_Cato who tf is we? Are you Americo-Liberian ( Black Americans & Caribbean). You definitely foreign
@@So_Cato
We didn't flee.
We were (forced) sent over there.
I’m a Nigerian born immigrant. This was good. I wish this conversation was longer. Part 2! Part 3! Lol. Thank you for your work in this discussion and video Jouelzy!
Yes, we need more parts😭💯
It was a snooze 😴 fest stop pandering
@@mlm745 Or you didn’t pay attention.
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What is wrong with having diffrence of ways with Black Americans. We are culturally diffrence, we believe diffrent things, have diffrent ways. I am Nigerian and Proud I have no hate for AA but I do not understand niether do i want to be part of thier culture? Is that wrong?
One thing I've always found weird about the way Africans and I'll speak for Nigerians because I'm Nigerian. Don't see they have to be a certain type of person usually middle-class and upper-class mobile in order to migrate to America in the first place because a lot of them have family and uncles cousins who still live in their home countries I'm were able to come to America or Canada or the UK and usually the difference between them and their families that were left back in their home countries is that their families are poorer.
As for the African-Americans who do feel like Africans Coming to America is taking away resources from Black Americans I understand where that sentiment comes from even though it's kind of ridiculous but one thing people never seem to understand is if all the African and Caribbean immigrants were to leave America today America would just find a new way to deny black Americans what it owes them. Do I can't speak for the way most black Americans think because I am not one there seems to be this weird sort of sentiments that if they become more nationalistic and more patriotic to America then America would be more likely to give them what they deserve.
@@williamphillips3035 If Africans didn't go to those universities they'd close down or would have to reduce their entry requirements.
@@williamphillips3035 I dare say she has no idea. She must be thinking of the universities in her home country.
@@williamphillips3035 Honestly, the self-consciously bigoted commentary around the war in Ukraine really shows that we've barely even begun to give up the ghost of bigotry over here. I've seen seemingly progressive people saying things like "Sorry, women and children first!" about the African people who have been unable to flee Ukraine. Like what, are brown people automatically adult and male, too? But that's always been a way to minimize the plight of refugees. What's worse is that this crisis is so often referred to as the first war between "civilized" people that we've seen in years. Some are even just coming out and saying "This is different because they're white."
The worse part about this diaspora war is that a lot of those immigrants are only allowed to be here in America because of what Afro Americans had to go through. It’s so disrespectful to come over on the backs of our ancestor’s trauma, then disrespect those same people when you get here.
The way that black people are so adamant on separating themselves from any perceived blackness is nothing but a product of slavery and colonialism.
One thing you will not do lady is come here and lie, be honest growing up most blacks made fun of black immigrants just cut it out okay if you feel this way about black immigrants how can you have a war on one side versus white people and another versus black immigrants I’m so confused at you guys mental illness right now this is what it is pure mental illness you don’t know who your enemy is you want smoke with everybody and this is why you keep finishing last
Those immigrants would’ve moved regardless actually. It was a matter of time, there are immigrants in countries where slave trade never happened. So drop that whole guilt tripping talking point.
@@themarathoncontinues4211 your ignorance is sad.
@@tylachad6102there are immigrants all over the world globally. Who are the Chinese black slaves who fought to help for future African immigrants? Exactly, doesn’t happen. Yet Africans are there in China.
It was a matter of time regardless. It’s also interesting how you omit black Americans being disrespectful to the continent of that their ancestors originally come from, but that doesn’t paint you as the good guys in the situation.
You speak on separating from blackness, but how many black Americans try and separate from African roots? Don’t you realise how this comes across to US as well? When we see all of this hotep, Hebrew Israelite stuff? See people spit out our food, call us monkeys etc when they look like us???
@@themarathoncontinues4211 well migration and chattel slavery are completely different. The American slave trade is a unique means of slavery that has never been replicated at any point in American history. Indigenous Africans were kidnapped, trafficked, and tortured for centuries on American souls treated less than dogs. They were stripped of thier cultural languages and customs. Those descendants today have no connections to thier African roots. You guys chose to come here. We’re African by ancestry not culture. I think Africans also need to accept that fact. You should read about the significance of American Chattel Slavery by authors that aren’t white. I’m no hotep in the slightest but the fact that you call our factual history conspiracies speaks a lot to your knowledge of the subject.
This was really good discussion wish we had more. I’m Liberian first generation born in America and it’s always interesting how other Africans act towards Liberians as if we’re not real Africans
Would love to see a part 2 this was good
That’s because after slavery was “abolished” here in the U.S, some Black Americans chose to go to Liberia. Idk the entire story, but I do know that created a tension that’s apparently still going on, today.
@@rellie_90 you’re absolutely right. I’m Liberian too, and what you’re saying is a fact. Formerly enslaved Black people were sent to Liberia by the American Colonization Society and the U.S. congress (out of fear of an uprising) and they formed a nation, Liberia (Liberty) in 1847. Our first 14 Presidents were Blacks from America (predominantly from the South), and our 15th President was from Barbados.
@@rellie_90Yes, some black American did migrate to Liberia but there were already people there those Americans then came and kinda took over by instilling a lot of American civilization. Everyone in Liberia aren’t necessarily decedents of the black Americans. My family in particular I know is not.
@D&B I’m Liberian as well and they did. That’s what led to initial tension because the natives were fighting for rights which led to their first president Samuel Doe ( he was Krahn) Liberia has 16 tribes before the slaves came.
@D&B I understand your skepticism at “Pan-Africanism”. However, we can’t ignore the fact that slavery in the Caribbean was different from that in the US. We were stripped, beaten and killed for holding on to our roots. So we created something new based off of the little we held on to and the new things we experienced. Not to mention our indigenous black culture was under attack as well.
This is the most balanced conversation I have seen on this topic. I'm a first born American to Parents from Liberia and Sierra Leone.
I normally dont engage these conversations because people are not honest.
This is SO perfectly timed I’m doing this topic for my sociology research paper omg adding this to my watch later so I can come back in the morning because I’m sure my girl is gonna reference some literature I need to look at lol
I’m a South Sudanese refugee that came to the US really young and assimilated and I’ve found myself mitigating Xenophobia from African-Americans and classesm/ perceived superiority from African immigrants.
South Sudanese are beautiful people. Noble and kind.
Im so sorry to hear that. You should tell your story..
Go back to Sudan and make it a better place.
As a BW over 50-whose ancestors were slaves in the us country, I have seen the “attacks” come from immigrants and then they play victim when called out. About 30 years ago when I had MY first engagements with immigrants I never saw any black American throw shade at y’all. We KNEW (since we’ve been HERE) that society sees us ALL as black. There was no separation coming from out side. Fast forward to 2020, I had my first encounter of how y’all see y’all selves as others & black Americans were bathe bottom batch. I learned about y’all’s class system too. So I’m really confused on why it’s an issue when black Americans use the same system that y’all grew up with. Y’all don’t consider yourselves “us” & we’re ok with that. But why all of the shade when we do the same? Not one black American said you haven’t been discriminated against. When y’all do something news worthy, you will distinguish yourself from black Americans- we don’t complain. Sounds like a whole bunch of selfishness
Exactly. Jouelzy knows this too! She is very phony.
As a Black immigrant, I can confirm a LOT of shade and bullying (“go back to Africa,” “African booty scratcher,” etc.) and I’m Caribbean. Not justifying the ways we have discriminated against y’all, but I can assure you that we’re not all making up our bad experiences with Black Americans.
@@VickiPzxc I hardly believe anyone over the age of 10 called you that. All kids play the dozens & I’m sure other folks from your native land have called you much worse than that. And please don’t lie & say that whyte folks haven’t called you worse! The point is-& you know it to be true, that the vast majority of black Americans have treated you fairly, and no better or worse than they’d treat other blacks. If you have a business, we patronize it. Many of y’all won’t do the same. These new “spaces” on social media has showed y’all in a whole new light. & we’re ok with that. We’ve already been fighting since the killing fields. We’re resilient like that. But not thing we HAVEN’T done is flee from where we consider our home land. And for the record, we only have disdain for the folks in the diaspora that come with the notion that they are some how better than we. The audacity of coming to someone else’s home and showing the disrespect some of y’all have shown gets you the reaction that you’re getting. It shows your lack of home training & your ignorance. Black Americans would never go to your house/homeland with that attitude you give us.
Yet you’re here from OUR ancestors fighting for equal for all. We are not MLK! We won’t be turning the other cheek for you to smite!! So if you can’t come together with us, be prepared, because you clearly don’t have a clue about fighting WS- if you did, knowing how they’ve done this country, you wouldn’t be allowing them to run yours and run y’all out! We seen them videos!!! Y’all love the whyte man like cooked food!!! And the Most High sees all of this.
@@VickiPzxc I think you guy's are taking the African booty scratcher thing to personal I'm 50 years old and we been calling each other that too forever just like the N word
As an African I agree with you
I'm going to be back in the morning for this, fresh eyes.
Lol
Literally what i did 😊
Jesus christ more divisive fba narrative. 🤢
This was long and convoluted. But of course she did not defend FBA and gave her opinion on Nasheed. Not surprised.
This is so true. For as long as I can remember people would say the immigrants are so hard working… and I would say are we not? It’s a touchy subject. Thanks for putting this conversation out there!
This women is an immigrant lol 😂 love u anyhow and you’re a beautiful woman but at the end of the day you’re a TETHER and you need to stay out of FBA business. Bless your heart 💕
Really? What’s her background? I was trying to look her up but i couldn’t find anything
There’s TWO videos on my channel on my African American genealogy. There’s a few history books on my paternal lineage as they built Tallahassee, FL. Calling me an immigrant doesn’t negate the research I come to the table w. Y’all just come up with epithets to throw at ppl rather then honestly engage w their argument.
@@jouelzy you failed to mention your mother’s lineage which explains your disdain for FBAs that are 100%. You are not fooling us.
@@idontlikeevilpeople2114 NOT AT ALL…yeah I’m back lol 😂
You spend time "attacking" the system, rather than building an alternative system. You're approach is pointless. At least you're working on your grad program. That's what you got to do, and when you finish hold your head high from what you've earned. The Nigerian message is simple: go to school, learn a trade, find an occupation or business or opportunity. Figure yourself out then figure out the system. Its that simple. You can't have a revolution if you're hungry and there's a lot of hungry black folks in America.
Thank you for this video! I’m so disappointed in this internet fiasco🥴 like how can successful immigrants in the U.S have so much ego when generally their home countries are SUFFERING bc imperialism& capitalism. As a young Haitian immigrant I am not overly proud of “my success “ here in the U.S bc Ik that in some way I am participating in the demise of my people. There’s so much more that can be said.
@@taelove9830 yeah you right. I was thinking overly proud in a sense of having an ego that says “we better than those African Americans”
@John T You did America destroy Haiti from 1915-Now???
As a Trinidadian American from a dirt poor background both here and home country I appreciate the nuances here. Everyone otherizes black immigrants as immigrants who happen to be black and some black immigrants buy into it and use it for success but so many of us get left by the wayside and focus on community powerbuilding instead. You are absolutely right that there are heirarchies based in whiteness. The whites like the Nigerians and Jamaicans and those populations are very proud of it.
Omg so right!!!!
Jamaicans enjoy that white people like them? What? Seems like alot of projection.
I’m Jamaican American and I can say that it’s if ANY, it would be the Jamaicans that live in Jamaica that enjoy that white people enjoy them, but speaking for my family, that’s not the case. My experience was never that white people liked me or gave me preference because they knew I was black before I was Jamaican so I think there could be some projection. Could be because everything caribbean is Jamaican to white people, and that can be said about Nigeria in regards to Africa.
Interesting... as a Nigerian in America, I have never felt that the Whites like us. On the contrary - they think of us as troublesome 419 scammers and prefer the Africans from less problematic countries. The Nigerian ethos is also very different from what you are describing - we don't care whether whites like us or not. In fact, we don't think very much about them. Nothing special about them. Most of us are here in their countries to do our best academically and professionally and earn money to support ourselves and help family members back home. I think we Nigerians need to be more educated and involved in the larger Black struggles globally ( and you see more involvement from younger Nigerians). But don't mistake our lack of involvement for wanting to appease whites. If you've been around enough Nigerians, you know that we couldn't give two red cents about them.
@@cxnnevia Jamaica is a tourist economy, they have to care about white money, it pays bills. They don't care about white people. The Colourism there is another story, but every country Trinidad, India, china, ect...deals with that.
You spoke well. I'm Nigerian and on moving to the US I decided to get out of my comfort zone and relate with a diverse group of people. I see the value in that. I also see the huge potential that exists in Black America, especially due to the foundation that has already been built therefore I don't limit myself to only my Nigerian community. I'm neither Yoruba or Igbo even and this is kind of freeing in a way.
This video has been quite informative, I'll be following you. Are you still in Houston?
Can we talk about deportation of Haitians as an astronomical rate higher then others
The San Francisco federal reserve issued a report entitled the color of wealth in Los Ángeles. The fed looked at income and wealth amongst various racial and ethnic groups in LA, including native and immigrant blacks. It’s a great report that also pinpoints the class of immigrants plays a part in the wealth gap between native and immigrant populations. Also black immigrants were 2x more likely to be married which seemed to impact household income. It’s interesting in that it also reviews historical legal and economic reasons for income and wealth gaps
UA-cam suggested a Thomas Sowell channel video yesterday. I started the video unfamiliar and very quickly my spirit was disturbed. Which took me down the rabbit hole on this man. This content from Joulzey is so timely.
WHAT are U talking about, I AM FBA, IF U ARE NOT FOR REPARATIONS, TANGIBLES, AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. WHAT ARE U FOR? "THE BLACK VETERAN FOR JUSTICE".
As a child of Jamaican immigrants … this was so so good
Great take on a much needed convo!
side note: I like the acronym FBA but I don't like the attachment it has to Tarik Ali. Its important that AA have their own spaces just like every other group does. It's not a bad thing but I think its more of a pride thing.
AA leave spaces for all other group but we don't ge the same in return, as you said for example with the NAACP and that's somthing that I noticed but never heard a conversation on it till now.
In this disporia we should be kinder to one another while at the same time maintaining our own spaces: we can admire each other without putting the other down or discrediting their culture or watering it down to nothing.
I’m 1st generation Jamaican American. I attended an HBCU and all the Americans were like “ oh you not Black for real”. I couldn’t believe it. It opened my eyes to a lot.
My people (African americans) can be just as ignorant as other people. I've had someone question how I'm panamanian (latina) when I'm black🤦🏾♀️
american "blacks" needs to stop calling themselves african american and just black. because there IS a difference. a lot of american "blacks" aren't aware of their identity. so just take it as they are saying you are not from their tribe. for example if you go to Nigeria you arent going to say you are Nigerian just because of your skin color.. thats the issue with the word "black" and all "black" people having to identify with it because of skin color.
As I’m sure you know, it goes both ways. As a Jamaican American I’m sure you’ve witnessed ignorance on part of Jamaicans and Jamaican Americans as it relates to “blackness”, ethnicity, achievement, work ethic, stereotypes, etc.
@@cupcakexrider I actually like the term Black. I feel it best describes my ancestry and appearance without putting me within a specific culture. Sometimes Black is appropriate. Other times I will add the detail aka Jamaican, West Indian, etc..
@@cupcakexrider African-American is meant to be a specific culture/ethnic identity. Black American represents all groups of Black people in America example Haitian-American, Nigerian - Americans and so forth.
Thank you for this. Being first generation Nigerian American, I always knew that as Nigerians we had set of own privileges being in America, but I was never able to put it into context.
Yes, being one of most hated groups on earth is such a privilege. Tf? We face hatred from all sides, including the migration process.
My family entered the nation dirt poor with a 50 dollar networth, and we are meant to feel privileged?
Keep crying and playing the oppression Olympics. Your family came here with $50 and stayed with relatives in a decent neighborhood until they got on their feet.
@@KW-pl1mn coming from YOU 😂😂😂 There’s one group we constantly hear about slavery from when everybody has enslaved or been slaves. Don’t even tell me about oppression olympics. The fact you ppl can’t coexist with ANY immigrant group, resident group etc shows the problem.
We didn’t have any relatives, you have no clue what many of us go through. Most of you are Americans first, which immediately means you don’t know struggle. Not getting the Jordan’s you want isn’t struggle.
L O L at Nigerian girls being mean. It’s so true. All of my friends are AA because I just don’t relate with Nigerian girls especially growing up largely around AA.
Nigerian Americans have their own separate awards? So African and Caribbeans have their own awards, their own school clubs and organizations Black Americans aren't allowed to participate in or be leaders of, but it's considered divisive for Black Americans to have our own stuff and not let other black groups be involved?
The organizations of other English-speaking Black ethnicities do not have the same delineation as Nigerians. Francophone Blacks seemingly have delineated organizations but thats more about language than ethnicity/nationality. You're only devising when it comes to power, even within your comment it's about "leaders" not members because you can be a member of African/Caribbean school clubs, they engage with other Black clubs as well.
@@jouelzy But Africans and other black people can be leaders in our organizations
I don't know why it is seen as problematic that Nigerians, Africans or Caribbeans would have their own organizations. Obviously People from similar ethnic groups have enough in common that it makes sense for them to group together to address their common issues, which issues may not be common to a larger set of black people. I tried to join the BSU on my campus in college but never felt comfortable or versed enough in American black culture to be part of it. So instead, we started our own African organization where we could address issues more common to African immigrants. This is really just an issue of comfort. We always respected the BSU as the foremost black student organization on campus, but that didn't mean we couldn't form a more specific black organization for African students. I also don't see any issues with Nigerians wanting to recognize themselves by giving their own awards. So? If Black Americans want to exclude Africans from their own award shows, it's their prerogative to do so, rather than complaining that Africans have their own awards and organizations.
@@ananasvostel I thin you kind of missed the point near the end, you need to re-read the comment. Most of the time it's the other way around.
@@highsky101productions6 do you mean in connection with excluding groups from leadership positions? If so, my point is that African Americans can (I.e., it is their prerogative) to similarly exclude Africans from leadership organizations in their organizations ( and then maybe not position those organizations as "umbrella" black organizations).
I learned so much from you Jouelzy. Thank you🙌🏾‼️
Thanks for this great breakdown Jouelzy. As a Jamaican, I'll have you know that the lower/middleclass Black Jamaicans (in Jamaica) who make up the majority, are considered lazy in comparison to the Chinese, Indians and Middle Eastern groups who manage to "do better". I'd agree that it's also used as a means to justify their (the lowerclass') position within the society. It's all exhausting, truly.
You must be discussing Jamaican society. Because when black lower/middle class Jamaicans immigrants come to America, they still tend to succeed more and amass MORE wealth than African Americans. And oftentimes, a lot of famous blacks you see in America that are labeled as African American are actually foreign black when you investigate deeper. Kerry Washington, Gabrielle Union, Jada Pinkett, and Kamala Harris are just a handful off the top of my head.
these people now calling themselves 'ADOS-FBA' hate you immediately once you say you're Jamaican. they are 'Black American' tribalists and they would compare you to the Chinese in Jamaica. they claim you are favored by the USA government and given handouts and instructions on how to keep down 'Black Americans'. they claim you collaborate with 'white supremacy' to fight them down
@@morselsofgold Gabrielle is not Jamaican or foreign Black, her parents are Black American.
@@brownsugako7772 WRONG. Her parents are Haitians.
@@morselsofgold No they are not! That was a lie going around on Lipstick Alley or some message board. She's from Omaha, her parents are too, they have a very large family (when I say large, she's said it herself, like over 2,000 cousins) here and those people are not Hatian's, trust me I know some of them they do it big when she comes home. 99.9% of Black people here in Nebraska people are the from the south, all of our people came up here from the south to work at the packing houses in the 50's and 60's. We don't have a large Black immigrant population here at all, nor are the Black people that been here for generations got Black immigrant backgrounds. Our people here are Foundational Black American, everybody talk about their grands and great grand's being from MS, LA, AR, AL, TN, TX, etc. this is not New York or Florida. The last 5-10 years large amounts of Sudanese and Somali's are making their way here. Growing up in all my 44 yrs, I've never heard a Black person say they were Hatiain, Jamaican, Nigerian here. People always talk about how their great grannies still live in SC or MS. Most Black creatives are Black American yall gotta stop that lie, just like y'all now lying saying Jamaican's created rap, when Black American's were rapping in the 1940's!
Another great conversation! Thank you ❤
I’m always super apprehensive about this conversation but I am glad how you focus on the system that creates an artifice of scarcity to only further exacerbate conflict between sub groups and individuals.
I can never deny my economic privilege because surviving the immigration system (not MY choice) has required incalculable economic resources as a Nigerian. But the intersections I sit at pull me in different directions. The process consumed my parents lives and near wiped out a generation of economic mobility (they are both extremely high achieving professionals but they weren’t resourced outside of this and their parents were relatively poor). My siblings were able to achieve academically and economically to validate their efforts but the price paid is difficult to articulate.
I’m also queer so the concept of reintegration was deeply conflicting when I see how other queer Africans are treated. I found solace in black American, black Caribbean and diasporic communities growing up but I also faced deeply entrenched xenophobia that I can more fully appreciate and understand as an adult but cut quite deeply when I didn’t have tools. I just wanted to be around people who came from families that liked like mine no matter the origin. But it’s hard to engage with the messy reality of what this experience is even now even on here but I kind of her where everyone is coming from.
TLDR good to broach this subject though I’m sure these discussions will continue to be heated
Within the past couple of years, I have intentionally tried to get to know black immigrants and to be able to recognize and respect how they see themselves outside of just being black. I have consistently been met with reluctance..almost a stark "I'm not like you" attitude from black immigrants. I had to think about why that might be. I know for sure that Africans were the butts of many jokes in my household. Caribbean blacks weren't even recognized but my grandmother would make jokes about my stepmother who is from Louisiana being one of those Voodoo people. My family, interestingly enough, were not "elite" by any means. They were a lower-middle-class family but knew the ways of the black elite and pretended to be a part of the group by material items (which they purchases on credit) and certain attitudes towards the working poor communities that they and their own parents grew up and died in. I'm sure that the black immigrants that I've come into contact with have had more experiences with this sentiment of some black Americans. The content of my conversation with black immigrants is always so odd as if they're trying to confirm that I'll treat them badly or have negative assumptions about where they come from or if I'm someone that they can feel "better than". If they only knew that elitist black Americans treat me the same way because I chose not to opt into the mainstream society's ways of indicating wealth and education level. I don't perform either way and it feels like I will eternally observe and interact with all black people from behind a glass.
Pretty much.
Black immigrants think mercedes and bmw is making it. 1999 mercedez and they better than black folks😂😂😂 tlit dont give what they think. But they go hard
Only black people in America act like stuff that is common knowledge is some secret... "we get a piece of your government" lol. Its called diplomatic relations, trade programs etc. Each side is going into it eyes wide open and HOPEFULLY ensuring their best interest. Nigeria is historically America's largest trading partner (but South Africa currently) and one of the top suppliers to US of crude oil and agricultural products. In turn, Nigeria is a significant market for vehicles and machinery.
I love how you make points with no facts and expect people to assume you're the authority on the topic.
Lol! Right. She stays with the eloquent fakeness.
@@beautifulmind6697 is this the same girl Tariq was getting on?
Great video!!!! Also side note… this conversation is now happening between Americans in tech vs Asians and south East Asian and their work visas
That conversation was going on first tbh. I have been following both conversations and agree with both.
The white man has us fighting each other and we forget about dismantling the system. As a black American, both side need to be more accepting and compassionate towards each other because we’re basically all cousins. The U.S. and Europe destroyed a lot of Africa and the Caribbean and they deserve the right to move here but it also needs to be acknowledged that black Americans paved the way
Lame…lies….immigrants freaking out at black ppl doing our own thing….🤣
Right tho we’re tellin them they’re on their own we about us
What is there to freak out about??? Black Americans distancing themselves from Africans and Caribbean is not gonna stop us from legally immigrating, it’s not gonna stop us from attending college, getting a job and living normal lives, we’re not seeking for acceptance, we have other priorities 🤷🏾♀️
@@missme9650 yes, you should have your priorities and FBA should have theirs.
@@idontlikeevilpeople2114 i agree
@John T it would be a very long conversion for me to break down to you how politics works in most African countries, but i would just be wasting my time, you're privilege you wouldn't understand.
My experience with Nigerians took place in Houston. I was the owner of a system of health clinics that served mostly the geriatric population. Almost daily 2-3 Nigerians were asking to speak to me about our clientele. They offered to pay me $150-300 per referral to provide physical therapy services to our patients. My response was always no. Some of these Nigerians were overly aggressive and sometimes rude. Later one of our patients shared with me that these Nigerians were picking up the elders in vans, taking them someplace, feeding them lunch and billing Medicare for services not provided. Other elders complained that the Nigerians were aggressively signing them up for motorized wheelchairs. When I asked my patients to share their Medicare paperwork, OMG, these Nigerians were billing for ridiculous charges. Moreover, their actions forced Medicare to minimize the amount of physical therapy the elders could receive; so this fraudulent behavior limited healthcare to honest people. It is this experience that makes me wary of the integrity of Nigerian people. Also, when I traveled to Ghana, I was told to be careful of Nigerians because they were running scams there too. I am not the only one with similar stories.
We have experiences with y’all too.
@@tyaler9805 Like? We’re we trying to scam you guy’s? All over the world you have a reputation for going into countries & trying to scam the locals, so let’s just leave it there before people feelings get hurt.
@@roberthicks5550 We don’t scam people all over the world first of all, secondly, y’all tell us too go back too our country, talk about kids starving in Africa, Africans being “dirty”, “musty”, stupid, primitive etc.. etc. Y’all even physically assault us. I know a girl who got jumped and spat on by a bunch of Black American girls because she was Nigerian.
Please I need to know, Nigerian men and women?
@@valrahul Only men. Numerous men. All Igbo. Very aggressive.
That's the main thing that bothers me about the diaspora wars. No one mentions the class dimensions of the black immigrants coming to the U.S. It is not poor black people that are coming from Africa and the Caribbean. The people coming are middle class/upper middle class and educated.
Agreed
You think most Haitian, Dominican, Puerto Rican and Jamaican immigrants are middle class? Don't let the Houston Nigerian set skew things. A lot of Caribbean and African immigrants to the US are working class. There is definitely a middle class and working class split, but as often happens, the middle class set get more power, more voice and speak over the working class group. It makes people think all African and Caribbean immigrants to the US are well off, they are not.
That's not true. Most Haitians I know left Haiti to escape poverty. My mom didn't have electricity most of the time growing up. Many Haitians that come to US barely finish hs.
There are poor black people coming from Africa and the Caribbean. Its definitely a mix . Immigration is complicated and can’t make a blanket generalization that isnt true. But I definitely know the black immigrants you’re referencing.
That is not true at all !!! I would say poor to middle class at best! That is the common denominator for most immigrants from all over the world who travel overseas!!! They simple want a better life for themeselves, this why is they are very determined to make it, because it is simply survival mode for most.
As a Kenyan-East African, the ‘African’ experience in America is always defined by Nigerians/Ghanians and it’s simply not relatable to me.
Very interessting but most Nigerians who immigrate to the US are not rich. Most of us are from the Middle or lower class. But since education plays a huge role in Nigeria and most West African countries, we are conditioned to take school very seriously. It's the only way we can climb the social ladder. Being bad in school = bringing shame on the family. The rich Nigerians don't come to the US. They stay back home in their big mansions and send their kids to European Universities.
The statistics produced by Nigerian scholars says otherwise
Well I don't know anything about the statistics. I just speak out of experience. I live in Houston and most of the Nigerian immigrants here were not rich back home. They accumulated wealth when they immigrated to the US. That's why many of us still send money back home to support our families who stayed in Nigeria. I think I only know one person who's family is extremely rich but she only studies here and flys back home every now and then to visit her parents.
I don't know how up-to-date the data is you're referring to but it does not really reflect the reality I live in. And we have a huge community here in Houston...
@@jouelzy Come on now! You're better than that. Since you're a stats lady look this. Most foreign doctors working in the UK come from India, Pakistan, S Africa & Nigeria. All 3rd world countries struggling economically. Not from wealthy countries like Germany, France, Japan or Saudi Arabia.
The reason is obvious. The underlying cause of economic migration has remained constant for the past 5000 years. Namely economic distress at home leading to extremely limited employment opportunities, esp for young people able & willing to work. PLUS a believe that the grass is greener on the other side. Otoh it really doesn't make sense for a millionaire cocoa farmer or an even wealthier oil mogul to leave his comfortable lifestyle for the uncertain & risky American terrain. The wealthy come to US to invest & to preserve their wealth; the poor emigrate to find work & survive. Big difference.
The decision to emigrate is never taken lightly. Africans live in tightly knit extended families & generally prefer to stay at home on their ancestral lands. Leaving all that for an uncertain future in a foreign land is quite stressful & is often made as a last resort after all available options at home have been considered & found wanting. African immigrants are in essence no different from any other immigrants who have flocked to America from all over the world. The main reason Black Americans don't understand them is bec BA (unlike Whites etc) are probably the only Americans who did not come to America out of choice.
Finally be careful when you talk abt class to descibe African societies which are tribal, agrarian & pre-industrial. Here's the thing: in the 4 Bantu languages I know there is no Indigenous word for "class". Is there in Lakota? Divisions are bet those who are politically connected & those who are not. Between those who are economically successful & who are not. Bet the educated elite & the uneducated masses.
And if you really want the correct profile of your typical African immigrant look no further than Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Except he did return home. Hoping to ride his elite US education to political success. But which class did he belong to?
This video was really comprehensive, Jouelzy, especially the part about the levels of Haitian immigration. I try to stress to Americans that a lot of the oppressive immigrants they meet were doing the same thing to the poor population back home. The Haitians whose parents were able to transfer their status as lawyers, doctors, engineers, etc from Haiti to America, the ones attending college on a visa...those niggas are rich and influential with the attitude to match. My parents immigrated to the US and my dad did groundskeeping and my mother was packaging lettuce in a factory, so we could only cling to the pride in our history. Lol
As a Black British Caribbean Immigrant living in the US this was super informative and brought other perspectives I hadn’t really considered. The comments are further enlightening. This definitely needs a part 2!!
Leave Foundational Black Americans ALONE! period everybody else is dead to us!
As a Jamaican immigrant, I agree with your viewpoint that migration transfers social hierarchies from various countries. In Jamaica, classism is a major issue that plagues our society. Wealthier Jamaicans usually believe that they're better than the lower class because they are closer to the British ideal than the latter. They speak standard English unlike the poor Jamaicans, who mainly speak patois. They also disdain dancehall music/culture, which is a product of the lower class. They aspire to be a reflection of British values.
With this in mind, it is easy to see how the influx of immigrants creates a division within the black American population. These elite immigrants carry their superiority complex from their home country to their new land. Cultural differences (music, language, values) are the main cause of the division. As you mentioned, these hierarchies are rooted in the aspiration to whiteness and will discard anything that deviates.
Thank you Jouelzy for this conversation. I push back on the part where it’s mention that it’s either we are coming here as refugees or upper class. Many Haitians applied to come into the US like every other country and a family member in the US open up their homes to have them go to school and/or find a job. From there, you find your own home. It’s a community based effort.
Yes. The refugee thing is VERY recent. My parents generation were a part of the large exodus from Haiti to the US in the early 80s and most of them simply came to make money. They all were planning on “building a house back home” and intended to come back to retire, not realizing how that’s easier said than done when you spend most of your life in a more stable country
I am an indigenous South African, after university, I migrated to the US to be with my wife who was serving s a medical doctor. I grow up as a Pan-Africanist someone who empathized with Black people across the world. I studied the history of Black Americans and Black South Africans and saw a little bit of similarities but I was shocked when I got to the US. in my time in Americans I will say that I have never experienced hate from White people but almost 99% of the hate came from Black Americans. After talking to two of my African friends who are extremely educated in the STEM fields, who shared similar experiences as mine I came to accept that, It will benefit all of us to have a clear separation and clear differences. Africans and Black Americans are not the same and as for the FBA xenophobic group, I am loving them, let's mainstream them, let those African leaders know how Black Americans feel about them through their leader Tariq.
Lie.
Go away 🤷🏼♂️
I’m Haitian and had this conversation with other Haitians. And boy oh boy they don’t understand. It’s really interesting but a lot of Haitians don’t know that Americans and French ruined Haiti.
Black people coming from a country of black majority are used to see black professionals (ex. Doctors, lawyers, teachers etc.) So when they come here they are expected to be professionals. Plus the way the Haitians parents drill it their heads about sacrifices they had to make and stuff.
Back to the conversation with other Haitians I had. It was weird because they don’t understand or know about African Americans history and how they also benefit from it or maybe they choose to ignore it. They really think they are working harder and African Americans are lazy. I try telling them about the traumas and stuff. The way when African Americans create their thriving towns but the white people burned it to the ground. It’s crazy. They called me a racist for defending African American. It was a trip. I was shocked.
Nevertheless I’m really grateful for doing my own research and really understanding what’s really going on and also acknowledging my own privileges.
A bit about me my grandpa was a political refugee back in the 60s or 70s. He was a senator and a lawyer in Haiti. He had to flee Duvalier. When he came here, he became a college professor. I totally understand what you are saying as some Haitians have privileges. My family in Haiti were part of that class for real. I’m expected to succeed in America cause if my grandpa was able to be a professor why not me. Just by this mindset I have privileges.
I’m just one Haitian. My story is different from others.
Just proof that black Americans political groups like the congressional black caucus on both state & federal level need to RESTRICT immigrants from all backgrounds in USA until we get a handle on the homeless problem!! & heavily vet immigrants of all backgrounds
Also USA didn’t damage Haiti compared to France! Yes USA did take gold that’s currently worth only 100 million but as for everything else that’s was completely y’all! And don’t start This Bs about USA propping up dictators !! Because ultimately it’s up to the people of those countries to control that situation like what us black Americans do in USA !! Those Haitians that are currently in Haiti trying to take control!! I respect them because there fighting back!! They didn’t flee! They want a better Haiti for there future descendants like black Americans in our ancestral land of USA
HAITIANS DONT BENEFIT OF NOTHING👌🇭🇹
I'm glad you took the time to educate yourself on African American history. Most immigrants wouldn't be bothered but just grateful to be in our land while causing us much distress, adding onto white supremacy
@@jaxthewolf4572 yes totally understand. And it really does add to white supremacy.
Haitian-Americans & African-Americans who know our shared history know that if it wasn’t for the Haitian Revolution which began in the 1790s, the USA wouldn’t have been able to purchase the Louisiana territory which doubled the USA’s size in the early 1800s. Also, were it not for African-Americans and First Nations building the USA, Haitian-Americans wouldn’t have had the opportunities they’ve had to succeed in the USA.
That didn't help us in Louisiana, we still had plenty slave revolts after that an it didn't stop white racism. Plus we weren't called Africans here in America we were the true natives until they started changing our names from Indian, negro, colored, black and finally african American something Jesse Jackson an the liberals labeled us. My grandmother was Indian an that's my lineage. You haitians are the real Africans.
That was a bad thing for Louisiana black people. Many of the free ones had privileges as the French weren't as restrictive as Americans were. They lost those privileges when Louisiana became a part of the US and a foreign culture was forced on them.
Excellent excellent AMAZING!!! I cannot tell you this enough...you have tackled this very very problematic and nuanced topic splendidly! I'm from the Caribbean (not one of the bigger islands) and seeing this mess online makes me concerned because there is that old evil hand at play in the background, I've seen the hand before and it always knows how to effectively stir the pot! That evil hand creates castes and buffer classes and causes chaos, destruction happens and it picks up the valuable pieces. I always say, I don't do public black people infighting. I love my people we gotta be aware of a lot of things! We owe a lot to Black Americans...they're the tireless riders out here in the New World!!!
Whew chile, you just learned me something! I didn’t know a lot of this. I think this kind of information really does eliminate the desire yo argue about dumb diaspora war shit.
Thank you for also talking about the difference btwn Yvonne & Issa. I’m Senegalese American also, & saw the contrast btwn them but didn’t know how to articulate it😭. I also think tht difference is due to how Senegalese ppl (minority) are viewed vs how Nigerians(majority) are viewed in the US. And to add tht Yvonne comedic special was kinda cringey….& couldn’t watch past about 10 minutes…
My Great Uncle Cincinnatus Leconte was assassinated trying to dismantle such a system. He was wrongfully labeled anti-Syrian for wanting to ensure the the success and stability of Haitians.
As a US born Haitian, I'm constantly dismissed as being more African-American for bringing up the harm foreign Black Americans cause, not only to the Black community at large, but the very people that made it possible for us to be here.
Granted, we didn't warrant the xenophobic treatment manyof us received growing up, at the end the day the chicken soon come to roost. it's only a matter of time before the system of oppression that African-Americans are fighting to dismantle soon will have its way with it children. Stats have proven time after time, the tokenism you and i benefit from is not transferable. or children will not inherit it.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I would also like to add the impact of colonailism that pusges many immigrants further away from identifying with Blackness. Ngugi Wa Thiongo talks about the colonialism of the mind. Also there has been a discourse to construct Blackness as a Western centric perspective when it happens around the continent and the global as well. We see this with anti-Blackness in colorism, hating of local languages and preference to English and French. This topic is very nuanced and we cannot forget the role of white supremacy gloablly!
Diaspora wars will forever be messy but you’ve made it illuminating & funny as well.
Some of these comments just show how hostile black Americans are but for some reason they always want to act victim. And why are they always making fun of other black people for migrating and calling it feeling, asians middle eastern and eastern europeans are taking their opportunities and migrate to america in greater numbers but they never call it fleeing.
Exactly
Not all Haitians came as refugees but I think the newer migrants coming are refugees. Before there was not alot of black immigrants or Haitians at all. On top of that Haitians don’t exactly fit into the Caribbean, Latin, or black category because of their unique culture.
I dont know if this is an academic thing. But it is really creepy to continuously say "black bodies" or refer to black people as bodies.