Meghan Markle's Choice of Racial Neutrality

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  • The brand of Meghan Markle and the politics of racial neutrality that she once fully benefitted from but has now become part of her undoing.
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  • @jouelzy
    @jouelzy  Рік тому +21

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    • @ncheedxx0109
      @ncheedxx0109 Рік тому

      Black Americans are not a race or racial group. No matter what Jim crow laws said. BA are in fact a mixed race or creole ethnic group. Nothing wrong with that. Most (perhaps 65%) are racially Black, tho not pure but then who is - like the Williams sisters or Oprah. Some (perhaps 30%) are clearly Mixed race - like Beyonce, MM or maybe even you. No offense intended. Finally others (perhaps 5%) are unquestionably racially White people but with some Black African ancestry somewhere down the line. Like 3 of the earliest Liberian Presidents who were bet 87 to 94% White genetically. To call such people racially Black is beyond the pale & renders racial Blackness meaningless. What unites the 3 racial groups is that all of them share some Black African descent which in past led to their enslavement, persecution & discrimination. Culturally tho all these groups are Western or European & are indistinguishable from White Americans except perhaps on class & social history basis. Nobody in Africa truly believes Beyonce is actually racially Black. Those who say so are just politely following American tradition. In Africa the closest racial & cultural relatives of AA are not the peoples of WA or CA but the 6 million Coloreds of South Africa. They too are descendants of enslaved Africans who mixed with Whites, lost their indigenous African languages & cultures & adopted a European language & culture. There's nothing wrong or sinister or subversive in a Biracial like MM identifying with the race of one of her parents. It's only natural.

    • @rosejames5172
      @rosejames5172 Рік тому

      She was never uplifted as a black woman. The media and has always referred to her as biracial. She has also always referred to herself as biracial.

    • @ncheedxx0109
      @ncheedxx0109 Рік тому +1

      @@rosejames5172 EXACTLY. By calling herself Biracial she is acknowledging both sides of her genetic heritage. Which is honest & healthy. Nobody in Africa genuinely regards MM as Black when she is clearly Mixed. Many would even call her "White" or Mzungu/ Mlungu/ Oyibo bec she looks more White than Black. Saying she sides with colonizers is unfair. She IS partly descended from colonizers. Kids dont choose their genetic make up. And there's something terribly wrong with a culture that demonizes kids for identifying with a parent's heritage.

    • @irenebrewer5726
      @irenebrewer5726 Рік тому

      @@ncheedxx0109 her skin may be light but her natural hair tells the other side of the story.

    • @ncheedxx0109
      @ncheedxx0109 Рік тому

      @@irenebrewer5726 I live in Africa's most racially diverse country. With millions of Whites, Mixed races & Asians. Besides Black Africans. I know the difference bet a Mixed race person & a pure light-skinned Zulu. They don't look the same.

  • @cameroncapers7807
    @cameroncapers7807 Рік тому +623

    I like what you said about projecting blackness onto her. As black folks we’re still starved for representation so we project and hold onto it even if it isn’t real or questionable.

    • @Beatrichay
      @Beatrichay Рік тому +21

      I think every group and/or ethnicity does this. Had she been half Indian or Chinese or Icelandic, all those nationalities would make a fuss.

    • @GMBee
      @GMBee Рік тому +104

      @@Beatrichay
      I'm not sure about that. I don't see Indians rushing to claim Kamala Harris.

    • @jeffharjo4514
      @jeffharjo4514 Рік тому +13

      @@GMBee that's funny

    • @Beatrichay
      @Beatrichay Рік тому +13

      @@GMBee Imagine they did. Indians on Twitter tweeted up a storm. Same with Obama - Kenyans went wild exclaiming that finally a Luo was president (in Kenya, Presidents have thus far only been from two ethnic communities and a Luo politician has tried and failed severally).

    • @reabetswebotlholo3057
      @reabetswebotlholo3057 Рік тому +34

      Yep!!! We ‘claim’ Meghan but does she claim us (black people) ???!

  • @ashleiwithani4910
    @ashleiwithani4910 Рік тому +554

    Meghan knew she was Black. Her and her family knew that colorism in the American context was a privilege that would protect her. However, in the greater context of race and Whiteness the royals and UK tabloids did not care and focused on her Blackness in a way she was shielded in the US and Canada. She thought colorism was going to protect her and it didn't.

    • @adouglas2308
      @adouglas2308 Рік тому +17

      This

    • @purplelove3666
      @purplelove3666 Рік тому +2

      SHE IS NOT BLACK,,SHE IS A BIRACIAL WOMAN,. This is logic? How the heck do y'all complain about racism,but yet perpetuate racism,one drop rule is racist, do you know that? Or are you a self hating black person?.

    • @Llovelylady1
      @Llovelylady1 Рік тому +38

      This hence why I was never on the MM train.

    • @Anxc
      @Anxc Рік тому

      Meghan is not black periodt, not for me a black woman born in France. I know Black US have a history but you guys gone too far like you are not the only black people on this planet. Fuck that shit and stop allowed everyone to walk on you

    • @pm0913
      @pm0913 Рік тому +51

      @@Llovelylady1 It’s not her fault she’s light or mixed. Anybody would quietly take advantage of that privilege if they could.

  • @doreenagyemang738
    @doreenagyemang738 Рік тому +113

    Meghan became black when it suited her. Even in the documentary, she was gushing over her daughter’s blue eyes. Black people should be emotionally intelligent to decipher when we are being played

    • @rosejames5172
      @rosejames5172 Рік тому +17

      Meghan has always stated that she is biracial.

    • @ladytesha1
      @ladytesha1 Рік тому +8

      Stop lieing she always said she biracial stop projecting

    • @PeukinsPoint
      @PeukinsPoint Рік тому

      Period

    • @doreenagyemang738
      @doreenagyemang738 Рік тому +8

      @@ladytesha1 projecting what? I am black woman who happen to love herself and being black. I’m not projecting anything.

    • @bennym5244
      @bennym5244 6 місяців тому +7

      That's a lie!!! She told her agent she was Caucasian, she wrote Caucasian on all her forms, driver license. She only embraced her blackness when it was in her interest. I can't believe how many people on here are so easily fooled.

  • @cloama
    @cloama Рік тому +109

    Megan is aware of everything. All of it. There's no way this woman is oblivious. Not with that upbringing. She's keeping herself safe and being strategic.

    • @mariahyohannes
      @mariahyohannes Рік тому +19

      If she wanted to keep herself safe she should have never married him

    • @extrashotofespresso_
      @extrashotofespresso_ Рік тому +4

      @@mariahyohannesoof😭

    • @octbaby88
      @octbaby88 Рік тому +2

      What upbringing? She was primarily raised by her father. The lies this woman tells. Her father and sister brought out recipes. Meghan is playing us.

  • @Beatrichay
    @Beatrichay Рік тому +145

    People focus on race and ignore that the British Royals are just not the ideal family for anyone. They do not project warmth and affection, protocol trumps everything and they have to perform for the public. If people say that Meghan appears disingenuous in the royal events it's because their events are disingenuous. It's their job to show up with a plastered smile that's just so, wearing their prim and proper attire and not really saying anything. Most British commoners wouldn't hack that life without years of preparation, leave alone an American used to being irreverent towards authority and "speaking their truth". Royals used to marry Royals for reasons beyond just politics, they understood one another. Given how long Willian and Kate dated and how previous partners ditched Harry because his life was insane, Meghan jumped in too quickly.

    • @indiefairy09
      @indiefairy09 Рік тому +1

      This!! She comes off fake bc she has too. She’s also been faking being racially neutral and not knowing anything about race for her entire adult life. I can see how she was able to disassociate and get to work. She knew how to play the game of whiteness but that only got her so far with OG colonizers. I like her but everyone from both sides project so much on to her when she’s very clear about who she is

    • @jtt1371
      @jtt1371 Рік тому +28

      Thank you.. why don’t people get this.. especially brits

    • @adouglas2308
      @adouglas2308 Рік тому +7

      Truth

    • @ByteMwen
      @ByteMwen Рік тому +20

      Meghan could have jumped in quickly because of her age and desire to have children.

    • @MiJaCool
      @MiJaCool Рік тому +11

      You definitely see this in The Crown

  • @PeukinsPoint
    @PeukinsPoint Рік тому +423

    The way her hair was never natural again passed 6th grade tells you A LOT. Her agent didn’t even know she was (partially) black! They’re supposed to know everything that can get you booked. She didn’t even wanna try to go out for black roles, in her original headshots she looked like a white Italian gurl. She was genuinely tryna pass.

    • @purplelove3666
      @purplelove3666 Рік тому +115

      SHE IS NOT BLACK, SHE IS BIRACIAL. STOP FORCING BLACKNESS ON PEOPLE, STOP BEING DELUSIONAL

    • @lacecocoa6272
      @lacecocoa6272 Рік тому +5

      Facts

    • @cindyben3089
      @cindyben3089 Рік тому +37

      Like most little girls have curly hair until you get older and get a relaxer.. stop reaching.

    • @QueenBees456
      @QueenBees456 Рік тому +75

      @@cindyben3089 no she was trying to pass… she would put Caucasian on her applications…. That’s been proven.

    • @carswatches9073
      @carswatches9073 Рік тому +18

      4 Queens Tarot. Have you seen her application?
      What we know is that when she was given a form to fill up,her teacher noticed that she was hesitant to answer that part of the form because she knows she is biracial and don't which category she belongs.Her teacher told her to check white because that how she look.But she didn't follows what her teacher told her to do.she end up not checking any of the box.Please check the facts before accusing her of anything.Stop reading the tabliods.

  • @akissib
    @akissib Рік тому +85

    I'm a dark skin woman and existed in a Black ass world so it might be different but I never got "THE race talk." There's no 1 talk. There's the lived experience and therefore discussions about those experiences. How she didn't witness NONE of her Black family discussing this is wild.

    • @Kharyne
      @Kharyne Рік тому +2

      None of us did 😅😅 “black talk” like what! Her and her mom is lying.

    • @veronicahaney6005
      @veronicahaney6005 9 місяців тому +2

      Because she barely grew up around her black family. she was with her dad, thats why they were so close and she referred to herself as a daddy’s girl back in the day. her dad was in HOLLYWOOD - she grew up in money and privilege.

  • @happygucci5094
    @happygucci5094 Рік тому +261

    “You married into THE colonizers..”
    Oh Joulzey about to snap!!! And I am so here for it.

    • @sparker7768
      @sparker7768 Рік тому +43

      THIS IS THE THING!!! MM has enough education, priviledge and access to have been able to do the bare minimum amount of research jnto ANY family she was about to join, let alone the "royal family". How can any of this be shocking???

    • @raineyj560
      @raineyj560 Рік тому +7

      @@sparker7768 💯 she couldn't be that clueless.

    • @zypher1990
      @zypher1990 Рік тому +4

      @@sparker7768 THANK YOU!!!! I’ve barely kept up but that’s the main thing I’ve been confused about.

  • @malibukelly2063
    @malibukelly2063 Рік тому +53

    Fantastic video! My favorite on the M+H doc. As a biracial (white father, Black mother) woman raised in a white beach town in LA…I agree with you 100%! Cousin Meg strategically positioned herself to not be seen or treated as a bw. My gorgeous dark skinned mother didn’t have to have a talk with me. We were raised in LA in the 90s. We knew what time it was. Girl…

    • @beccamakela2014
      @beccamakela2014 Рік тому +13

      She grew up in the 90s as well, that's why I can't understand why her mom had to take the blame of her not knowing she was black

    • @yunglynda1326
      @yunglynda1326 Рік тому

      @@beccamakela2014 this is them curating their own narrative for the consumption of white people

    • @LisePlansandJournals
      @LisePlansandJournals 9 місяців тому +3

      @@beccamakela2014she is biracial not black. Only a black man + black woman can procreate a black child. She is part black at best. And having met her & H at a commonwealth even the months after they got engaged, the woman doesn’t look any part black. At all. And she knows this. Which is why she straightened the part-blackness out of the hair and the nose. She is a half black biracial. She is not black.

  • @ItsSonya94
    @ItsSonya94 Рік тому +172

    The part that caught my attention the most was Meghan's hair. She don't let that hair be curly at all ever and we all know why. Assimilation. Acceptance. Fitting in. Picking the "easier" side to navigate through life. Not wanting to endure the hardships when she realized she could PASS. The fact that her mother allowed her to take this path...wow. And she admitted to not talking to her daughter about race...so her mother's mindset is in question for me too. But then she hooked up with Harry and the monarchy threw race in her face like a bucket of cold water. NOW she's an ally. Now she wants to point out and fight racism. Now she's traumatized because she's been able to live in her passing/racial ambiguous world for YEARS. The black caucus simply looked at Meghan and said "Chile...you black and you're gonna soon find out." And she did. The end. What the Monarchy did to her and Harry is completely WRONG and FOUL. I watched their documentary and it just confirmed everything and provided more insight into how evil and nasty the crown really is. But babyyyy...Meghan lived in her own little world for a really long time and she LOVED IT THERE.

    • @LisePlansandJournals
      @LisePlansandJournals Рік тому +23

      Part* black
      I didn’t know a white man could father a black child. She is mixed.

    • @callieblossomASMR
      @callieblossomASMR Рік тому +19

      She’s not black. You’re projecting

    • @ItsSonya94
      @ItsSonya94 Рік тому

      @@LisePlansandJournals What is Britain and the monarchy calling her? BLACK. They don't care about her being "part" anything.

    • @ItsSonya94
      @ItsSonya94 Рік тому +14

      @@callieblossomASMR How am I projecting when that's reality? And reality didn't hit her until she married into the Royal Family who are all about the "purity" of their bloodline even though that's a joke because there is black in their bloodline! The Brits were QUICK to point out that she's a BLACK woman. WE know she's of mixed heritage, but the racist world will see her as black. The one drop rule is universal. And who said the father had to be black in order for the child to be considered black??

    • @callieblossomASMR
      @callieblossomASMR Рік тому +1

      @@ItsSonya94 I’m not gonna argue with you online but I’ll be correcting you. The one drop rule is NOT and was NOT universal. You’re projecting love. If both parents aren’t black then the person isn’t black. It’s clear Your mind is still on a plantation because you speak none sense with conviction.you have a deeply ingrained inferiority complex and that’s why you’re indulging in such delusion. Get out of the matrix you’re only hurting yourself.and no. The world doesn’t see her as black only the ones that wish she was see her that way. Why else is she able to pass and what do you think afforded her the opportunity to be his wife. You need to step foot out of the USA I can tell that’s where you’re from. Ofc the literal royal family will inspect her in such a way but we all know she’s not black.

  • @ByteMwen
    @ByteMwen Рік тому +279

    I agree with much of this commentary. Meghan wasn’t really in Hollywood though. One of the more interesting things about her story is that because Suits was filmed in Canada, she, a B list actress in the American context had access to the highest circles in Canada. That’s how she gets to be friends with a close friend of Prince Harry.

    • @Epinaj
      @Epinaj Рік тому +80

      Even B list is generous!

    • @zengergazette9738
      @zengergazette9738 Рік тому +23

      She is also too arrogant to deal with regular people. She’s pretty much done away with anyone she knew who isn’t from a certain income

    • @unstoppablefavour6224
      @unstoppablefavour6224 Рік тому +3

      @@zengergazette9738 you are and become what you say.

    • @scarletsletter4466
      @scarletsletter4466 Рік тому +35

      D List actress is generous. & she's perceived as a whole WW to anyone in the US, literally lighter than most Italians & Latinas. The fact that we're supposed to believe the animosity towards her was bc she's tan is ludicrous. Most folks who've met her say she's difficult to get along with. I hope she & Harry are happy & will go into obscurity & leave the rest of us alone

    • @MarySeacole-bs3gt
      @MarySeacole-bs3gt Рік тому +11

      @@Epinaj yet you cannot stop thinking about her. The green eyed monster is raising its head.

  • @bfshigoto2511
    @bfshigoto2511 Рік тому +104

    Maybe I can bring a different black perspective to this. I was born in Zimbabwe in Africa. I moved to Canada when I was 12. I'm in my mid twenties right now. When I moved to Canada, I moved to a smallish (80000 people) town in the North. My middle school had 20 people in my graduating class, I was the only black person. The high school I went to had 120 people in my graduating class, there were around 12 black people, only 4 were girls. It is not impossible to go through that sort of environment and lose access to other black people around you. The majority of my developing years, I was around mostly white people. What my character was built around was interests, because culture was not an option. All my cousins in Canada were in different cities, different age groups, different positions in life. Yes we met up for Christmas, but 99% of my year was around white people, with the next biggest group being South East Asians. So what happened when I went to college in a city? I spoke to people who had my interests. It didn't help that I took engineering, where there is still not a large community of black people. It is easy once you are in that state, to keep that state. Because I am a stranger to the culture, even putting work into inserting myself is difficult because it is apparent and frequently commented on by the community that I don't know the right things, don't have the right hobbies, the right attitude, i'm whitewashed, etc. etc. It is work, and it is uncomfortable work, and sometimes I don't want to do it. Sometimes, I just don't feel like explaining why I am not the right kind of black person. And no, I am not white. I am under no such misconception. But as much as I am an outsider there, my character and interests are rarely questioned. In the same way that if I had grown up around the black community, my character and interests would not be questioned. All of this is to say, I understand how someone who, despite being black/biracial, can find themselves out of community with those that look like them. And now, in my twenties, I have few black friends, even though I have a lot of friends who are people of color (Prairie Canadian demographics). I know I have to put effort into changing that, and I try but sometimes it doesn't happen as fast as we'd like. Now I'm in a town of 7000 people, working in a plant with 230 employees and 1 other black person. Options are limited and it is slow going because when there are so few of you, it's quick to recognize when you have nothing in common. So, small talk becomes your primary interaction and we're back to square zero. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that she could have gone through life without a circle of black friends and community. Heck, I'm not the only one in my situation so she couldn't be either.

    • @aboutashow
      @aboutashow Рік тому +22

      Yeah, I find it si strange that the amount if Black friends she has currently is seen as a catalyst of her connection. I'm first gen American and while I lived in diverse neighborhoods and went to diverse schools, they were still mostly white. Most of my friends were white until middle school, after that almost all were BIPOC (who also grew up around white people for the most part), but I've never had a close Black American friend. Almost all my BIPOC friends have been first gen or new immigrants to the US. I'm still Black. I'm still American. But those connections don't always come as naturally as people think, because if you're "outside," sometimes people from the group you're "supposed" to belong to don't want to let you in

    • @myaebanks1121
      @myaebanks1121 Рік тому

      @@aboutashow to be honest, and im sorry if this comes off as harsh. but some of yall who surrounds yourself with white people AS ADULTS, be on that bullshit. we CAN TELL that most of your friends are white and thats not because of your interests, but by how you treat other Black people who arent your friends.
      its literally not hard to find a group of black people with the same interests as yall.
      every day, yall deliberately choose not to.
      yea your job may have a few Black people in a sea of white folks but.......they got other black folks outside your job that you can connection with. those few black folks at work ain't the only ones in the world.

    • @redmaple1982
      @redmaple1982 Рік тому +42

      Cool insight... It's genuinely odd to me that people cannot conceive of the fact that some people just have different experiences and life trajectories that lead them to have a particular social circle, set of interests, and ideas of how the world works...espcially when you grow up in a place that is big and diverse as North America. Average does not equal universal.

    • @LU-ji6lq
      @LU-ji6lq Рік тому +15

      That is because we are all human beings. Being black and not having any or few black friends doesn’t make you less black. You shouldn’t been trying to get more black friends just because other black people will judge. Black friends, white friends who cares? I rather have good quality of friends. And there Is not such a thing as "Black culture " I was born in Africa and moved to Europe when I was 4yo, so my "black culture" It’s a mix of west Africa mixed with Spanish and some British since I moved to the UK, and my friends are white, latino, and a few african and I am very proud of my blackness.I used to have a huge group of black girls and they were all crap so I cut them, the same with some white friends, I cut any one who is toxic, and I accept anyone who has a good soul and will bring positive things to my life, I don’t care nationally or skin colour.

    • @sandypro3812
      @sandypro3812 Рік тому +16

      But i think your experience differs because you moved to small town Canada. Meghan lived in la-- where she herself admits that growing up it was majority black. My experience is similar to you, i truly made black female friends in my late teens at uni when i moved to a bigger city. I felt awkward at first because my mannerism were nit of those who grew up with a lot if black ppl and i was teased for being white....

  • @Unkuuu
    @Unkuuu Рік тому +95

    So funny that even your non-black mutual knew something “interesting” would happen when the relationship went live. I haven’t seen the documentary yet but I still cringe when I think to the “black princess” craze of 2018.
    I told someone all her black friends are famous people she met after her profile scaled and was ridiculed and dismissed. I say all this to say I am not the least bit surprised by hearing Daria raised her as ‘raceless’.

    • @brandymercedez
      @brandymercedez Рік тому +3

      The first black princess stuff was reaaaaaalllly strange, and I was always uncomfortable with it.

  • @tahashaholloway3688
    @tahashaholloway3688 Рік тому +27

    I been saying this about her…!!! It’s giving “Imitation of Life”

    • @Babajai
      @Babajai Рік тому +4

      I said the same thing!! Her Mother didn't teach her anything about black Culture 😕 Her Mother is a different kind of black Woman. Possibly she is twice removed from being black herself. I live in California very common here. They look black , but they don't understand being black on purpose.

  • @bonitaapplebaum4202
    @bonitaapplebaum4202 Рік тому +28

    My parents made me and my brother watch all of ROOTS on vhs🤣😂😂. That was the crux of our "you're black talk".

    • @janaejones8709
      @janaejones8709 Рік тому

      😂 omg I was 12 in ‘97 and it was a whole event at my house. They sat my siblings and I down, Roots has a special place in my heart. I just watched the remake with my 14 yr old last summer.

  • @Nashaytrowerauthor
    @Nashaytrowerauthor Рік тому +262

    Great commentary. I do agree, I don’t think she was completely oblivious to the racism marrying into the royal family but I do believe she probably thought she could play respectability politics and squeeze her way into acceptance.
    I thought it was interesting that they kept mentioning how she could be the face of the royal family when it comes to connecting and repairing the rift with the Black communities that are starting to reject the monarchy. Particularly with them moving to South Africa. For lack of better words, it sounds like she was willing to be their token in exchange for being allowed to be the princess.
    Honestly it came off that Harry was the one who realized that was not going to work 😬

    • @Blahgirl283
      @Blahgirl283 Рік тому +58

      If she was protected even a little bit, she 100% was about that Princess life. She woulda done that for them forever if she coulda

    • @myaebanks1121
      @myaebanks1121 Рік тому +16

      I dont think South Africa cared for her too much.

    • @areasonableperson24
      @areasonableperson24 Рік тому +8

      In South Africa you are by law the color of your father. So in South Africa she has a white.

    • @cindyben3089
      @cindyben3089 Рік тому +2

      @@myaebanks1121 what makes you say that?

    • @nataliekhanyola5669
      @nataliekhanyola5669 Рік тому +4

      @@areasonableperson24 since when??

  • @TACHIISTHEBEST
    @TACHIISTHEBEST Рік тому +123

    I think Megan understood the negative associations revolving around blackness and from a pre-teen era, has tried to distance herself away from it to fit in/assimilate . Blackness is not taught it’s learned through experience…I’m non ambiguously black and my parents have never had “the talk” but over the years through media and personal experiences, I’ve understood that being pigmented comes with a certain type of treatment.

    • @TACHIISTHEBEST
      @TACHIISTHEBEST Рік тому +11

      Like if we could all just straighten our hair to sit at the front of the bus we probably would. And that’s exactly what Megan did 😅

    • @sugarwaterpurple5280
      @sugarwaterpurple5280 Рік тому +8

      Also, racism isn't part of every black person's experience. I grew up in a mixed race neighborhood in the south and was a senior in high school the first time I experienced it and it threw me for a loop. Before that, I was black without ever thinking about it. I knew racism existed, it's just different when it actually happens.

    • @Babajai
      @Babajai Рік тому +1

      All facts. She wasn't taught black and she is very comfortable 😌 fitting in and passing.

    • @cakeasaverb
      @cakeasaverb Рік тому

      Great comment

    • @Cateyes767
      @Cateyes767 Рік тому

      I really wish you idiots would research Meghan before talking crap about her. She has a whole history of CONSTANTLY talking about how she is both black and white and has spoken out against racism plenty of times, even in college she was trying to learn about her heritage through African studies. She didnt pretend she wasnt half black. She did straighten her hair to fit the beauty standard in Hollywood but pretty much every black woman does that to fit into the beauty standard.

  • @datruth470
    @datruth470 Рік тому +170

    I don’t know if I agree that Meghan is race neutral though. She leans towards the white side and has done some form of passing. Meghan is the type of biracial that leans toward the side that benefits her the most…and then switches when need be so her victimization can win her favor with the black side. I find her to be “performative” in both spaces cuz it was all about status and money no matter where it came from. She wasn’t thinking deeply about what the British royal family represents (racism, imperialism, colonialism) cuz SHE DID NOT CARE as long as it came with status and attention. I just find her overall persona a bit performative and inauthentic. The way Meghan navigates the world and all it’s racial societal constructs is the main reason why biracials are not fully accepted (for good reason) in white spaces or black spaces. It’s very snake-like and deceitful.

    • @vikkild2243
      @vikkild2243 Рік тому +14

      @datruth470 Very good point.

    • @sparker7768
      @sparker7768 Рік тому +16

      Well put.

    • @melaninkind8783
      @melaninkind8783 Рік тому +18

      Facts. You hit the point on the nail. Especially the last part!

    • @laffietaffie
      @laffietaffie Рік тому +9

      Da truth?... You spoke **Da truth**.

    • @ncheedxx0109
      @ncheedxx0109 Рік тому +19

      She is Biracial. That is both Black plus White. Neither Black nor White. Her heritage lies not only in Africa but equally in Europe. Indeed genetically more White than Black. Bec her mother was, like most BA, not pure Black. If she had married a Zulu chief & were pretending to be pure African would she be passing as well? MM is now Brittish national. The jim crow definitions of race shouldn't apply to her. BA need to grow up & ween themselves from the 1drop rule & its cruel racism.

  • @sarahgordino6695
    @sarahgordino6695 Рік тому +203

    Thank you for speaking about the Barbados Slave code and the connection between Barbados and South Carolina and the southern United States. Most Americans are really ill-informed about Caribbean slave societies and how it shaped American politics and class systems. It’s not discussed enough.

    • @ncheedxx0109
      @ncheedxx0109 Рік тому

      Americans are generally ill-informed abt anything beyond the borders of the US. Esp AA. The fact that generally AA don't do foreign languages makes matters even worse.

    • @happygucci5094
      @happygucci5094 Рік тому +23

      I am from Bermuda- WE are still willfully ignorant of the slave code… The cognitive dissonance is REAL.
      The denial is even realer….

    • @redrumnoir7552
      @redrumnoir7552 Рік тому +15

      I’m from South Carolina and now I’m curious to see her speak on this, cause it’s new to me

    • @rangerred9022
      @rangerred9022 Рік тому +5

      I appreciate her insight. I’m born and raised South Carolinian. I was unaware of this piece of history. In Charleston and the low country area, I hope that information is well known.

    • @javionriley8739
      @javionriley8739 Рік тому +4

      Not really because once the British got kicked out via black Americans & white Americans ALL of those codes changed…
      And I’m from South Carolina

  • @laukonig7454
    @laukonig7454 Рік тому +161

    It was really confusing seeing how intelligent she was growing up (and still is), is very politically aware but not aware of the family she was going to marry into? the largest colonial power in the world? I think the series makes it feel like such normal circumstances. Like some day you just fall in love with a guy who happens to be a prince. But like you fell in love with a prince, of the largest colonial power in the world lmaoo. I agree with you on the neutrality, you have to be insanely politically neutral to be able to do that. Which is why I don't think she brought something completely new to the royal family. She was close enough to fit in but I think Prince Harry couldn't take the fact that she was getting harassed in the same way as his mother. So ultimately, he is who brought something new to the royal family by opting out.

    • @tanyafrida7380
      @tanyafrida7380 Рік тому +31

      Exactly. She actually earned her bachelor's degree in International Relations. How does someone with that education not know about curtsying? Even I know about curtsying, and I'm just a lowly bus driver. She's obviously lying.

    • @JT-ph8ud
      @JT-ph8ud Рік тому +3

      Not really new because Edward 8th abdicated the first half of the last century.

    • @siklysarkastik04
      @siklysarkastik04 Рік тому +17

      right! when meghan said cta (call to action) i was like… oh she’s an activist for real! but then she was unaware about what the RF meant politically.
      none of this makes sense.
      either docuseries was poorly produced or she’s being inauthentic.

    • @kokolatte825
      @kokolatte825 Рік тому +8

      @@siklysarkastik04 after all this time and her constant victim narrative it seems to me she is very inauthentic because she seems to contradict herself a bit

    • @indiefairy09
      @indiefairy09 Рік тому +9

      @@siklysarkastik04 my friend and I were talking about this and we think she doesn’t have any black women on her team! I did some research and her dad raised her full time from age 9 to 18 so her mom could pursue her career. And her mom traveled a lot etc why her mom said Meghan thought of her as a best friend. It all made sense. She’s trying to protect her mom from the racist media but there is a way to tell her full story that protects her mom and gets us the full story of her childhood. That’s why we can see the gaps and the disconnect! Her white father raised her but the white ppl on her team aren’t able to see the nuances of how to protect her mom without completely erasing parts of her story

  • @myaebanks1121
    @myaebanks1121 Рік тому +54

    My parents didnt really have the talk about racism with me. I was basically surrounded by Black people my entire childhood until 2005 when we had to evacuate to Houston. That's the first time I went to an all white school and was around non-Black people. It wasn't a culture shock at all. But it was the first time I experienced anti-blackness. But seeing what my parents went through, and my little sister, she had a substitute teacher that told all the Black kids to sit in the back. This was in 2007 yall. But I learned about it through my experience and my family. It had me thinking, "This is what we integrated into?"

  • @rachel6ix
    @rachel6ix Рік тому +65

    I think this is a case of “A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it” by both her and her mother. I think her mom wanted her to have a level of privilege she didn’t have due to her blackness, and Meg ran with it because it was easy to do so because of colorism and her ambiguity. Megan has been willfully obtuse and all of this popped her bubble. So I do give her some grace because of how vicious the British media has been towards her, but my sympathy doesn’t extend all that much beyond that.

    • @13579hee
      @13579hee Рік тому +4

      And yet, she is STILL biracial and not a Black woman.

  • @nandi3052
    @nandi3052 Рік тому +16

    I enjoyed your commentary and it's everything I wondered too. Meghan noted herself as Caucasian in actor's listings, doesn't have any black friends and has ingratiated herself so deeply in whiteness, she was shocked to find that she wasn't received as white cos she thought she had scrubbed herself "clean" of blackness. It's very clear to see that she's spent her life running away from blackness and got a rude awakening when she got the black treatment. If anything in the doccie, Harry is the one who seems more embracing of the fact that she is mixed, than she is. It's very hypocritical of her to make race/blackness the central part of her narrative when she did not identify with blackness until the racism she experienced in the UK

    • @snappingturtlehiddentiger6571
      @snappingturtlehiddentiger6571 9 місяців тому

      I don’t think anyone gives a shit she’s black or half black besides herself who hates it. The ego on her

  • @tfh5575
    @tfh5575 Рік тому +10

    when meghan said her grandma tried to use black hair products on her hair and it wouldn’t work i was like now miss girl…

  • @sparker7768
    @sparker7768 Рік тому +114

    Re: her Black "friends ", do we really count Oprah and Tyler Perry? Aren't they too recent and quid pro quo to be actual friends yet 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @elainekellogg6345
      @elainekellogg6345 Рік тому +2

      I thought he kicked her out of his place for being rude to his staff

  • @kheriphillip878
    @kheriphillip878 Рік тому +28

    I agree 100% there's no way she was so disconnected from what a relationship would mean with Harry. She was quick to tell yall she's never lived in Compton.

  • @Alexa-uk8lj
    @Alexa-uk8lj Рік тому +6

    It's Meghan's mother's fault. It's obvious she didn't make too much of an effort to place her daughter in Black spaces beyond visiting Grandma's house.

  • @zoraxye4325
    @zoraxye4325 Рік тому +11

    I think Meghan made a conscious choice to pursue her life goals WITHOUT acknowledging the black side of her racial identity. She embraced bi racial oblivion. I had a colleague like that, she was mixed race with a white mother and was mute on racial matters. She actually looked more Middle Eastern than half English and half Jamaican. The thing is, biracial people do not have to choose blackness if they don’t want to. It’s 2023. Meghan was never black!

  • @toristephens7208
    @toristephens7208 Рік тому +17

    As Kim said, people wouldn’t consider her racial identity until u saw her mother

  • @cassandraodle4794
    @cassandraodle4794 Рік тому +13

    Barbadian here! Thank you for acknowledging the influence of Britain on Slavery in the Caribbean as well as the poor treatment of Caribbean immigrants in the 60's. You stay on point Chile!

  • @maryjohnson7121
    @maryjohnson7121 Рік тому +117

    Meghan admitted that she wasn't treated as a black woman telling me she didn't mess with black people but I'm not mad at her. I don't get why this is the focal point of your video. I believe Meghan walked through this life as a white woman and felt she would continue to do so in the British world.

    • @Oscarnodwannabe
      @Oscarnodwannabe Рік тому +19

      Shallon Lester said that she saw her drivers license back in the day and it said White.

    • @myriamwilliams
      @myriamwilliams Рік тому +18

      And it backfired terribly for Miss meagan .

    • @sandypro3812
      @sandypro3812 Рік тому +27

      Why is it hard for us to admit that the only reason meghan is with prince harry is her closeness to whiteness...youre telling me that harry never interacted with beautiful dark skin woman. He did. Meghan was white looking hence hos attraction to her and vice versa...harry fit into her white man preference-- although without his status, he looks like an overgrown child-- dont get mamly vibes from him. Meghan looks like his older sister...i personally dont see this lasting...this relationship looks immature on so many levels....harry will start to miss his family and traditions because in all honesty he had a very good privileged upbringing...

    • @brooklyndecember
      @brooklyndecember Рік тому +26

      I wish more biracial people would be honest about how they navigate the world instead of playing in Black people's faces. Even Joulzey admits depending on her hairstylre she's granted access & treated better. I have 2 biracial friends who actually honest about "you can always sit at the top of blackness."

    • @brooklyndecember
      @brooklyndecember Рік тому +20

      No. Wrote an entire essay about being biracial. Meagan admits growing up in Cali people would assume she was mixed but could never figure what she was mixed with. Sometimes she'd be take for Latiña or Persian. Bottom-line there's an enormous space between black and white filled with nuances. Black ppl seem to be the only group oblivious to it all.

  • @rk-lr5pc
    @rk-lr5pc Рік тому +33

    So for people who defends her not knowing much about her black side because she was raised by her white father. Even in teenage years though her skin looked a little light she has black features and black person's hair. She wantedly done plastic surgery to change her features, teeth, straightened her her to pass as a complete white person. Naturally she has more black features but she choose to be white. At the time she got married she was 37years old, any person would understand the racial discriminations and differences in this society by the time they become teenagers. How come a 37year old woman find it shocking to discover what it would be like to be a black person is beyond belief. By the time and age she had plastic surgeries and bleaches to turn into a 100%white ,she was old enough to know about racial differences their pros and cons. She never had black friends(until recently now all famous blacks) never dated black men, didn't have black or any family at the wedding. She only befriends who are famous and can elevate her image. What did she ever do for a black community? What did she ever say any message or ever addressed a black community? Did she ever donate anything? (she claims she donates but there were no proofs). She doesn't even want to associate with any black side of her until she found out she can use this side of her to take revenge on her in-laws

    • @gold9ja
      @gold9ja Рік тому +1

      To correct you she was mostly raised by her black mother and I could careless that she only dated white men.

    • @rk-lr5pc
      @rk-lr5pc Рік тому +1

      @@gold9ja its not just about who she dated. She wanted to erase all her black side all her natural black features by undergoing surgeries even before she turned 20. Her mother was absent for most of her childhood and her or meghan never contradicted this statement because that's the truth i believe. The whole point here is her saying that she didn't know what it would be like to be a black person until she joined the royal family is a joke because she is a 40yr old grown ass woman with half of her relatives are black her mother herself is black. Anyone who comes of adolescent age from any race not just black would know the difference between races and how some people are treated everyday. . That's very dumb statement. Only people with some agenda or idiots would say they believe that statement only because they lie to themselves or it's just because no matter what, they would love to believe whatever shit comes out of their idol's mouth.

    • @justgoddessesonly
      @justgoddessesonly Рік тому

      Exactly. All of this and beyond.

  • @JaiClaire880
    @JaiClaire880 Рік тому +31

    Meghan was in a lifetime or hallmark movie before where she was playing white.

    • @indiefairy09
      @indiefairy09 Рік тому +3

      WHAT???

    • @PeukinsPoint
      @PeukinsPoint Рік тому

      Please find it omg 😭😭

    • @nicw3251
      @nicw3251 Рік тому +2

      Yes, I think it’s The Dater’s Handbook and she had a white woman play her mother and sister. It was kind of odd because I don’t think Meghan is white passing and the women playing her mother and sister weren’t racially ambiguous they were straight up white

  • @whenyouwishuponastar6643
    @whenyouwishuponastar6643 Рік тому +156

    My parents never talked to me explicitly about race. I don’t really think they had to because I just picked up on it, I just saw it. But I do think it’s very different for my biracial cousin (who is somewhat white passing). She grew up around black family and knows there is racism but it completely blind and refuses to acknowledge or talk about colorism or the possibility of privilege related to proximity to whiteness. I think it’s possible Megan mentally removed herself from that experience. I don’t know. Very interesting question.

    • @TreasureChest0806
      @TreasureChest0806 Рік тому +56

      This is what I think. She knew. She benefitted from colorism. She removed herself from seeing racism.

    • @delle3955
      @delle3955 Рік тому +7

      @@TreasureChest0806 I believe so as well.

  • @leelee6946
    @leelee6946 Рік тому +20

    Great commentary! Baby, I’m with you, especially your take at the intro. This documentary was not relevant to regular black folks. While I can empathize with the treatment received from the media, I have always thought…what did Meagan expect. She was cosplaying white for so long, that she forgot that once the race of her mother came to light, she would be recasted as black. The idea that her mother, and her to an extent, didn’t prepare for the racism that would be directed towards them was telling. Heck, her own father, turned on her to support the royal family. If your child says that she experienced racism, how do you deny her claims? The Markels have had trouble with race before Prince Harry came on the scene. Tyler Perry helping Meagan and Harry was for clout. Would he had done it for D list celebrities, (not regular people), if this was the case? Love your take, as always.

  • @lillian_desu
    @lillian_desu Рік тому +66

    I'm gonna say something potentially controversial--but Megan grew up as a racially ambiguous woman in Southern California. Their understanding and navigation of race is decidedly different--especially as someone who does not look phenotypically black. People probably thought she was Latina by appearance until her momma showed up.

    • @myaebanks1121
      @myaebanks1121 Рік тому +11

      yyyyeeaaaa them folks in cali be a diffrent breed. im from nola and we see things differently. most of us would've assumed she was creole/just a light skin Black woman with two Black parents.

    • @redmaple1982
      @redmaple1982 Рік тому +2

      Yeah IDK why people spend so much time dissecting her when it's obvious that she is just a SoCal Lib with an elite education. There are a lot of people like her they just are not reflective of the American majority.

    • @lillian_desu
      @lillian_desu Рік тому +9

      @Red Maple painfully obvious. I ran into people like her, black and non-black alike, that had non-definitive stances on race (as in their own) as well as racial justice/inequality. She grew up in the perfect place for that to be encouraged/normal. It would up hurting her--but mostly because she married into the British monarchy.

    • @rosiebottom3870
      @rosiebottom3870 Рік тому +9

      As a child, with her natural nose and afro she looked light skin bi racial. I dont see how people thought she was white.

    • @lillian_desu
      @lillian_desu Рік тому +5

      @Rosie Bottom I don't think anyone here is making a case for her looking white.

  • @Kaytube19
    @Kaytube19 Рік тому +17

    Thanks Jouelzy!!! I haven’t finished watching the series but your intelligence and ability to make me think critically is always appreciated 💕💕

  • @ebross4236
    @ebross4236 Рік тому +7

    She thought she was going to pass over their but grandma was like no, no, no.

  • @coachkrish
    @coachkrish Рік тому +17

    Did her maternal grandparents not mention race either? My mother didn't explicitly discuss race with me until I was in middle school, but every black elder I met definitely had stories to share

  • @delle3955
    @delle3955 Рік тому +8

    I was going to skip this docuseries as well, until my own mom and sister told me they watched! 😂 Now that Jouelzy is on the breakdown I feel I’ll go ahead and watch the other half of the series for this discussion 😊 Thanks sis!

  • @PeukinsPoint
    @PeukinsPoint Рік тому +8

    I never wanted this to end! Definitely joining the book club this year.

  • @entropyinreverse
    @entropyinreverse Рік тому +58

    I've got to say, if you've got the option to be ambiguous in a country that seems to hate black and brown people, I can understand the choice (which I think was more her Mum's choice?) to get away with being white. I don't look white at all, but being Arab and knowing how hated we are (thanks for that America!), I even changed the spelling of my name to not be clearly non-white when dealing with people through email and on the phone. It also meant people who met me didn't hear an Arabic name and might take a minute to get to know me as a human being and not judge me as an Arab before they find out I'm not mixed race or Spanish or whatever. I've only recently reclaimed and truly embraced my Arabness this year at the age of 33. I allowed myself to be invisible to have an easier life. No one can judge me for that, because no one else knows my experience and how difficult race has made things. I'm just done with being ashamed and confident enough to be me, and the people who don't like it aren't the people I want around anyway.

    • @CelebrityTarotReadings
      @CelebrityTarotReadings Рік тому +9

      Very well said and glad that you reclaimed and truly embraced your Arabness.

    • @maryconnor6173
      @maryconnor6173 Рік тому +4

      This shows it’s not an easy or simple choice at all.

    • @justgoddessesonly
      @justgoddessesonly Рік тому +7

      This was a wonderful response. You chose an easier pathway but it does not appear as though you were not proud of your heritage. What we're dealing with as blk ppl and this issue is, people not just wanting to make life easier for themselves, but truly hating or rejecting the black blood tht runs thru their lineage. Think about this for a second, as an Arab, how would it look if you married into George Bush's family tht you know is Texas oil-driven and Anti-Arab, knowing tht both him and his dad charged forward warring with middle eastern countries, and then cry when they mistreat you and say it is because you're Arab. There has to be a certain level of disdain you would have to have for your own Arab blood to even entertain a family like this. This is the hypocrisy we're seeing as blk opl with this woman.

    • @snappingturtlehiddentiger6571
      @snappingturtlehiddentiger6571 9 місяців тому

      It’s not America’s fault omg. It’s things some middle easterners have done. Don’t blame AMERICA.

  • @simplyabundant4769
    @simplyabundant4769 Рік тому +6

    She chose to pass as an adult. Don't ask, don't tell. It didn't work in the UK. Too bad, so sad, I can't help you...

  • @candyjones9989
    @candyjones9989 Рік тому +22

    I am a Brit and I remember the wedding. Have people forgotten the wedding when the priest talked about slavery and fire and brimstone? Meghan has always been aware of race. There were many British documentaries showing when she had a conversation with her dad about race when she was a young girl and chose to be define herself bi-racial. This is a savvy woman who knows what she is doing. I remember at the time I thought she was brave to join the royals as look how they allegedly treated Diana. I wish she had stayed and fought from within not leave and complain. I remember at the time wandering why Doria was the only person from her black family was present as they did not sell her out as her white family did. I think Meghan made a conscious decision to look white as she looks more black in her earlier photos. She has complained about not being seen as black enough or white enough for film roles. However, if she showed up in her natural hair her career might have been different. She is highly intelligent woman and I think she is playing both sides when it suits her. Having said that I still wish Harry and Meghan well.

    • @LisePlansandJournals
      @LisePlansandJournals 9 місяців тому +1

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  • @B.Alanyse
    @B.Alanyse Рік тому +34

    I don't remember my mom giving me the talk about race. It just so happened alot of my teachers were black from day care, to private school, to public school so I knew the vibes. I understood as a average black girl ( meaning unambiguously black) the world works differently for someone like me compared to a light skinned mixed girl or a white girl. I didn't realize having a black teacher was abnormal until social media.

    • @tylachad6102
      @tylachad6102 Рік тому +14

      Yes! Being from Atlanta everyone is black. All black teachers, doctors, dentists, principles, police. I didn’t know that wasn’t normal until social media. I wasn’t hyper aware of my blackness because its just normal life, not until I started working around white peoples. I now know how much of a privilege that is as a black person in America.

    • @MayMay-el4wg
      @MayMay-el4wg Рік тому +6

      Imagine growing up in a time and space where you’re in a community where people look like you and you can just live and enjoy life? I can relate well to Meghan because l grew up surrounded by Creoles and kids who looked like me. Think of an area heavily populated with Hispanics and that was my neighborhood. Contrary to what is believed, people treat you the way you are. Being self confident makes you pretty which has a wonderful set of advantages.

  • @maryconnor6173
    @maryconnor6173 Рік тому +4

    So grateful Jouelzy’s speech has slowed down a bit. Really enjoying her content. Thank God Jouelzy reads unlike some of the other commentators on here who use the Crown/wiki as their main sources.

  • @dre.ikram.o.i1038
    @dre.ikram.o.i1038 Рік тому +10

    Doria wasn't present in Meghan's life for 10 years

  • @thebrothaj
    @thebrothaj Рік тому +8

    i grew up in a military family and lived in germany for the first "chapter" of my life. when we moved to the states my dad did (in fact) sit me down and have a conversation specific to race, and navigating all forms of racial injustice (micro, macro and all in between.) he told me, "you're going to have to be twice as good as the white boy next to you, just to be considered average."

  • @cicip.890
    @cicip.890 Рік тому +18

    This has been the most on-point dialogue on the M+H situation. I also think what her perceived stance on race largely has to do with her being a Californian PoC. 😬

  • @sugarwaterpurple5280
    @sugarwaterpurple5280 Рік тому +16

    I think she knew there would be people with issues, I just don't think she knew how disfunctional the family was, the extent to which the media would unfairly criticise her, and that the racism in the UK was just under the surface. I have been to the UK several times, love it there, but to be honest I was shocked at how overtly racist and nasty the coverage on her became. I also think that she thought they would protect her, and we all know that didn't happen.

    • @bennym5244
      @bennym5244 6 місяців тому

      No, she thought they would lie and cover up her despicable behaviour. The UK loved her and welcomed her but slowly it just became obvious that she's a bad person. Look at the evidence. Completely rejected her loving father who raised her by himself and gave her everything. He's now gravely ill and still hasn't met his grandchildren. All her staff strangely quit. Her palace staff all claimed bullying. , all fifteen of them. She sent her engagement ring back to her heartbroken fiance through the post. She only invited one family member to her wedding yet filled the giant cathedral with celebrities she had never even met. The list goes on and on. Anyone who defends her are being wilfully ignorant, complicit or being straight played.

  • @sdo917
    @sdo917 Рік тому +74

    Guys / Gals. Megan is not our friend. She’s very confused. She is / has been / will always be chasing the bag. She is not / has not been / will never be in community with us, although she will always have a place

    • @nonnieJ94
      @nonnieJ94 Рік тому +7

      This! I agree with this so much!

    • @bl00dhoney
      @bl00dhoney Рік тому +5

      She's not confused

    • @sdo917
      @sdo917 Рік тому +17

      @@bl00dhoney yeah I can buy that. Bottom line she doesn’t deserve our attention

    • @bl00dhoney
      @bl00dhoney Рік тому +13

      @@sdo917 absolutely. She's no one's liberator.

    • @FluteCheerios
      @FluteCheerios Рік тому +4

      More Black people, specifically these Black celebs need to hear that too. It's the instant caping & it weird, Tyler & Beyonce did the most. I mean, still nice of Tyler to do with the circumstance they were in, but still the most.

  • @indiefairy09
    @indiefairy09 Рік тому +46

    You never disappoint! The best commentary I’ve seen. It’s about her childhood and how she was raised and ppl keep harping on why she doesn’t have black friends! She tells us why.

    • @delle3955
      @delle3955 Рік тому +15

      I’m only on episode 3/4…does she straight up say why in the docuseries? I can gather based on her schooling and her looks being “not black enough” to be accepted when she was in her formative years. I’m a teacher and I see how kids treat biracial children, especially girls who have more passing features.

    • @indiefairy09
      @indiefairy09 Рік тому +1

      @@delle3955 she constantly says she didn’t fit in but she’s smart not to say it was bc black ppl and white ppl picked on her but it’s implied! And we can see her family but an emphasis on whiteness based on the schools she went to etc

  • @suzycarmichael933
    @suzycarmichael933 Рік тому +14

    It’s giving me, Tragic Mulatto vibes 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @miscellaneouslife2778
    @miscellaneouslife2778 Рік тому +17

    My parents had my brother and I watch Roots after someone in my kindergarten class said that I couldn’t come to his birthday party because I was a n-word. We had framed pictures Muhammad Ali, Venus and Serena Williams, and Tiger Woods (before the controversies) in our basement along with art from African Americans. One drawing is of a little girl getting her hair braided and she looks in pain because she’s tender headed. When Obama became president when I was 7, they added one of Obama and Michelle.

    • @BlendedBarbieDoll
      @BlendedBarbieDoll Рік тому +5

      Unfortunately, Tiger wouldn’t want to be on your wall as a black man. I was in middle school when he started making sports media… he was very young and “we” black people realized real quick he was not black as he would say.

    • @extrashotofespresso_
      @extrashotofespresso_ Рік тому +2

      @@BlendedBarbieDollright! Tiger has always been a less than appealing person who seems absolutely appalled at the idea of being 50 percent black.

  • @shaunri4408
    @shaunri4408 Рік тому +16

    I think "The Talk" is more common with Black folks who grow up in white or explicitly non-Black spaces...I grew up in ALL or majority Black spaces until I was a teenager, so most of "the talk" was a process of socialization, narrative diffusion from elders, and observation. It was more an understood thing....but I think when you grow up around other Black folks who live in Black communities, you kinda know how life is

  • @LisePlansandJournals
    @LisePlansandJournals Рік тому +1

    Jouelzy you spoke on a lot I had been waiting to hear in other critiques. This is why I’m always here for your thoughts.

  • @leahh.6277
    @leahh.6277 Рік тому +14

    I watched yours series and always felt she was a "wyt privilege" blk woman. I never got black from her. Not then and not now. I felt she "cried" too much during the show, like a wyt woman. But that's how she was raised. Ultimately I felt bad about how she was treated but felt a lot of us have experienced worse. Ultimately I liked the love story and in glad they "escaped".

  • @rainicewaller6210
    @rainicewaller6210 Рік тому +29

    It's almost giving Imitation of Life vibes. Except Megan is close to her mother. However there seems to be some distancing from Blackness.

  • @kic.7679
    @kic.7679 Рік тому +13

    Also, yes its crazy for Meghan to go in without the know all, but you can say the same for Harry... He said he did not know that his family was like that and he was shocked when they didn't support her as far as the racism issues.. So it goes both ways..

  • @brittneyedwards8127
    @brittneyedwards8127 Рік тому +19

    That picture of the queen and the duke has in stitches lol. She though this was going to welcome her lmaooo

  • @salyoutubepremium7734
    @salyoutubepremium7734 Рік тому +13

    It's not about color, it's about her actions. Let's keep the focus on her behavior.

    • @ladytesha1
      @ladytesha1 Рік тому +1

      Keep believing that if it makes you feel better

    • @salyoutubepremium7734
      @salyoutubepremium7734 Рік тому

      Oh I'm not about feelings. I'm about observable facts

    • @ladytesha1
      @ladytesha1 Рік тому

      @@salyoutubepremium7734 suree with the Level of hate This woman gets it's more Then just her behaviour at this point . You guys dehumanize her, you want her to be a robot and shutt up stay in her place and be quite. Im happy she didn't. the RF are not as innocent as you think but you don't care about that let's keep online bullying her till she Commit suicide is that the plan.
      All of a sudden the people are changing saying I love her, hint Diana .
      please tell me because I don't get it this hate you people have.
      she not affecting your life In any way

    • @stepahead5944
      @stepahead5944 Рік тому +2

      Keep the same energy for EVERYONE *all* of the time. Otherwise, you're just deflecting.

  • @crystalcastillo7575
    @crystalcastillo7575 Рік тому +3

    When you were summarizing the murdoch control over the media and the connection to other tabloids and the political state of this country . I had to stand up from my seat. Gosh you’re so GOOD at making things digestible. You are amazing at this fr fr

  • @nvefau9753
    @nvefau9753 Рік тому +5

    Meghan mentioning that she has a black mom and mentioning race at all has ya'll expecting her to be some kind of Martin Luther King black radical activist while ya'll feel like she ain't black. We have 100% blackity black high profile celebs that don't ever support black people or black issues. I really need ya'll to be serious. When someone is mixed we expect them to be even more black radical than a black person. It's so unserious

    • @LisePlansandJournals
      @LisePlansandJournals 9 місяців тому

      Who is y’all? You really think black people are dumb? Not all of us are this obtuse.

  • @Boahemaa
    @Boahemaa Рік тому +8

    This was amazing! More please!!!

  • @msd3879
    @msd3879 Рік тому +21

    I love this hairstyle on you so much, it's giving 2000's vibe 😍

  • @justebby3990
    @justebby3990 Рік тому +12

    My parents didn't have the race talk with me as a child. This has taught me to speak to my 6yo daughter, especially in the world we live in, about racism and who she is, our history and to be prideful of her race. I had to simplify it for her young mind to understand but she gets it.

  • @loismetuge9316
    @loismetuge9316 Рік тому +17

    I feel like the root of this conversation goes back to how does society expect biracial people especially of part black decent, to navigate the world. Cause those of them who commodify their blackness or are are damn near hoteps, or just lean into presenting phenotypically black we side eye them. Then in Megan’s case she leaned more “race neutral”, played into passing a bit or just straight up presented as a white woman at times, this conversation is y’all critiquing her making those choices. Sooo where does that leave this group of people, like how should they navigate the world?

    • @pisceanbeauty2503
      @pisceanbeauty2503 Рік тому

      I feel like it’s a recent thing to demonize biracial people who lean into their blackness. Previously no one really cared (think Obama, Halle Berry, Jasmine Guy, etc.), or expected them to identify more with blackness.

    • @briantbmoth6472
      @briantbmoth6472 Рік тому +1

      Navigate as mixed if asked.

  • @tayzonday
    @tayzonday Рік тому +33

    SAY it LOUDER for those in back! ✊🙏📣

  • @tmarie69
    @tmarie69 Рік тому +4

    Thank you for this! Loved it.

  • @borararax2
    @borararax2 Рік тому +18

    re 30:00 - i think meghan was able to make that social take on 'not only women wash dishes' is because she was raised by her father for a significant amount of time during her adolescence/teen years

  • @kic.7679
    @kic.7679 Рік тому +6

    The way you’re saying this lady’s name!!!😂😅 Great video and breakdown!❤

  • @13579hee
    @13579hee Рік тому +6

    Meghan's story is proving that the stereotype about black mothers with biracial children isn't true at all.
    With Meghan Markle there are some things that I want black people to entertain as being possible. The first thing that I want Black people to entertain is being possible is the fact that Megan literally did not walk through the world having a black experience. Having a black experience isn't just moving in with your black Mother's family. I have known biracial people who have lived around black people all their lives and still know that they are mixed race, that they walk through the world differently.. and that governs how they see themselves.
    The next thing I want black people to entertain is the possibility that, regardless of how she may have looked to us, non black people may not have read her as racially black.
    After that, I want black people to be honest with themselves about the issues of colorism, texturism and featurism within the black community and entertain the possibility that her mother (who is on the lighter Side herself) may have pursued a relationship with a nonblack man to have a mixed race child... and that she herself my have emphasized her daughter's mixedness throughout her daughters youth. It's also a possibility that Meghan's black family at large did the same thing. We have all known black people who fetishize mixed people within their families and praise them for their proximity to non black racial identities. Megan may have experienced that. She may have been told that she had a beautiful complexion and she may have been told that she had "good hair". These things coming from black people on to a child with a white parent magnify the difference between said mixed childs racial identity and racial blackness (and that is very common within black families where there are biracial children).
    There are tons of people who May read my comment and say that I'm making a lot of assumptions... but all of us are making assumptions in the sense that we don't know her or her family personally. However, we all know what the reality of race is and how black people treat mixed race people. We may go out into the world and refer to them as "just Black" and we may do so in the company of Black people as well... but in many ways we magnify their mixedness and exalt them for it. And in the process they are having a nonBlack experience.
    Meghan has never presented herself as a black woman, and that something we have to accept. And it is probably due to the fact that she has truly never walked through the world having a black woman's experience. I can believe that a child who never discussed the politics of race with her mother would understand sexism but not racism.
    One thing that is upsetting to me is seeing how so many black people are expressing a lack of sympathy for her now that they know she doesn't identify as a black woman. I thought that people's sympathy / empathy towards her was rooted and black people's opposition to anti-black racism no matter who it was coming to, be that person black or biracial. But now I'm coming to see that a lot of people support from Megan wasn't rooted in their hatred for antiBlack racism but rather it was rooted in their desire to have a "Black" proxy in a Royal White Institution (one who in many ways fit black people's standard of desirability with the light skin, loose textured hair & racially ambiguous features).
    People can rid themselves of this type of disappointment by no longer viewing biracials as proxies for monoracial Blackness.

    • @cakeasaverb
      @cakeasaverb Рік тому +2

      This comment is so thoughtful and insightful thank you for taking this time

    • @13579hee
      @13579hee Рік тому +1

      @@cakeasaverb thank you

    • @nicw3251
      @nicw3251 Рік тому +1

      Well said

  • @lafemmenikita123
    @lafemmenikita123 Рік тому +44

    WHAT Black women are doing right now is centering themselves in the experience of a Biracial person. Also, she never asked Black pple to speak up. The British Media made it about race, and she spoke up about her experience.

    • @nonnieJ94
      @nonnieJ94 Рік тому +13

      Whew! I’m not saying we shouldn’t sympathize but her experience is unique to her racial makeup and life background. I’m not sure why we feel it’s our place to even have an opinion. Black women really think that biracials have it better and so many of us want to be her so we’re living vicariously through her and it’s a little weird

    • @sart1348
      @sart1348 Рік тому +6

      Exactly how I feel and it's very OD.

    • @Epinaj
      @Epinaj Рік тому +7

      @@nonnieJ94you really think that so many of black women want to be biracial/Meghan? What gives you this idea?

    • @Blahgirl283
      @Blahgirl283 Рік тому +4

      Are you commenting this on every video discussing the documentary? Lol I saw this under ForHarriet’s video as well.

    • @nonnieJ94
      @nonnieJ94 Рік тому +4

      @@Epinaj just looking at the responses/videos women have posted. Obviously my opinion doesn’t apply to every black woman. But some of this shit that has come out of black womens mouths have been wild

  • @michalovesanime
    @michalovesanime Рік тому +23

    To me she looked white but I'm afro European.. How race works is different here.. There are people from white countries over here that look like her.

    • @briantbmoth6472
      @briantbmoth6472 Рік тому +2

      She looks White to me too. I’m American too. She said she’s mixed and I agree.

  • @alisahughley399
    @alisahughley399 Рік тому +6

    Megan Markel chose NOT to pledge a D9 Sorority at Northwestern. Despite her racial neutrality, she has been treated very badly by the British media.

  • @tuttyusbuttyus
    @tuttyusbuttyus Рік тому +11

    Like a real life Hillary Banks.

  • @ruthjuliana9222
    @ruthjuliana9222 Рік тому +6

    meghan was reminded she was half black. while she was social climbing, the white women she was around probably didn't care because social climbers rarely get to the top but meghan did and not only did white women care, the institution cared about her racial identity and cared about her black ancestry. she was also a good cover for andrew the predator and the institution used that to their advantage like they said. she married for status and as she should but she was not expecting to be rejected so drastically and neither did harry even though he is the outsider in his family. a lot of people did not know meghan was black, i didn't even know she had any black friends because she was always around affluent white people who had some social status. im happy they are trying to live normal lives but...i dont feel bad. they will be alright.

  • @aj2thamaxx742
    @aj2thamaxx742 Рік тому +4

    This is a rewatch: the moral of the story is anti-Blackness and the politics surrounding it is a MFer, y’all I tell you. I too, believe that Meg’s chose to pivot toward racially neutrality as a conscious decision because anti-Blackness is inescapable. I don’t know this for fact but I think that Meg saw the Black experience mostly in a negative len, like identifying with blackness, gets you a hard life. Not a soft life. And let’s be clear, associating blackness with negativity is a scourge on us all but also, if you are able to escape blackness in a myriad of ways, not just by the way that you look, the rejection of blackness can be justified as a means to an end for some people. This is why anti-Black is a sickness and unfortunately it permeates so many aspects of our social life.

  • @Oughut88
    @Oughut88 Рік тому +2

    The reason it didn’t work for Meghan marrying into the Royal family is because she didn’t understand it, wasn’t prepared to adapt and learn and thought she new better. Quite what it says about any person marrying into that family and institution and then expecting them to make changes for you is a concern in itself. Unfortunately, she had no concept of what she was taking on. Least of all that that she would be financially dependent on her Prince William and King Charles. The life that she wanted one cannot have as a serving British Royal. She wanted to be financially independent and live a luxurious lifestyle. That’s not available to a 7th in line to the throne’s wife. It was Harry’s job to explain all of this to her and he didn’t for obvious reasons. Between him not educating her and her thinking she knew what she was doing it was an absolute disaster. They are not a racist family, not at all. Anyone who knows them well will tell you that had they been racist Harry would never have considered marrying Meghan. He would have known not to even think about introducing her to his family. But he did and with great excitement. They welcomed her and then spent £32 million on their wedding. If they didn’t like her there wouldn’t have been a wedding. There wouldn’t have been any introduction at all - ever.

  • @irenebrewer5726
    @irenebrewer5726 Рік тому +1

    girl, i hollered when you flashed those pictures of the queen and tamp-n charlie 🤣!!!

  • @happygucci5094
    @happygucci5094 Рік тому +14

    It’s all spectacle and sensationalism- conflated with and confused with an outdated conception of what “The News” is and the loss of social and cultural idea/ contract that they presented us with the truth.
    This was an amazing breakdown Joulzey nailed the assignment.

  • @CelebrityTarotReadings
    @CelebrityTarotReadings Рік тому +6

    Correct me if I am wrong but Tyler Perry DID NOT write Megan and Harry to offer them a stay at his home and protection initially. He sent her a letter letting her know he is praying for her and the hardships she will face as a biracial woman in the royal family. She later reached out to him crying about her experiences and THAT is when he offered her family a safe haven.

  • @Just_One_Tree
    @Just_One_Tree Рік тому

    Love hearing your thoughts and perspective!

  • @dreamsofjasmine3085
    @dreamsofjasmine3085 Рік тому +2

    I'm rolling at you talking about cousins. The accuracy!

  • @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady
    @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady Рік тому +9

    Meghan was raised by her father during her adolescence, because her mother was “ away for a minute “ and he had custody. She may have figured that Meghan had settled securely in the white community and her career and never felt the need. I’m sure that she regrets that now.

    • @indiefairy09
      @indiefairy09 Рік тому +6

      Yup! I did more research and finding out her father raised her made way more sense and why her mom has regrets. Her mom wanted to pursue her own career and was in and out of her life which is why she saw her as a best friend more than a mom. It all made sense. She’s trying to protect her mother from the crazy media but it explains the holes in her story!

    • @dawnb.1127
      @dawnb.1127 Рік тому

      That is not correct, she spend the weekend with her father.

    • @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady
      @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady Рік тому +1

      @@dawnb.1127 Amazing how Google works

    • @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady
      @IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady Рік тому +2

      @@dawnb.1127 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Markle he raises her in his home from age 9 through adulthood.

    • @dawnb.1127
      @dawnb.1127 Рік тому

      @@IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady Google does work, but not all the information that is on it, is correct, so you are going to believe google instead of Meghan and her mother !, I wonder who put that information on google?

  • @carmie9759
    @carmie9759 Рік тому +19

    Enjoyed your commentary! I think it’s tricky though when you are biracial and look more white but deep down you are both black and white…. If that makes sense? With Meghan I do believe that the British Royal Family ‘only’ saw her as being black. I’m mixed (2 different European parents) and at times you are not here or there with any particular race to other people but you do see yourself as both races. I know that in the UK they have a very split class system and the RF do believe they are above everyone else. Even Diana (who was an aristocrat and only ever knew the British way) struggled within that family. I feel so much for Meghan and no matter how intelligent you may be the fact is the Firm are not an easy family to deal with. All the best for her and Harry. Thanks for your insights too 👍🏼🙏🏻😊

  • @t.taylor1611
    @t.taylor1611 Рік тому +2

    Thank you for sharing

  • @malibukelly2063
    @malibukelly2063 Рік тому

    12:45 “We tryna be equitable in this ho” 🤣😅 New to the channel. Love it!

  • @duchessofautumn
    @duchessofautumn Рік тому +22

    Jouelzy you are top tier beauty goals 🔥

  • @Shaykre19
    @Shaykre19 Рік тому +5

    I loved every part of this video! Chefs 👩‍🍳 💋 Perfectly done, great job!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @deborahbell-theobservantch3759

    Thank you Jouelzy, just thank you!!!

  • @yahainHotPink
    @yahainHotPink Рік тому +25

    Daria is so beautiful! Meghan looks a lot like her.

  • @JaiClaire880
    @JaiClaire880 Рік тому +6

    I had the talked several times for various situations. I grew up military and my parents explained a lot to us so we wouldn’t respond emotionally.

  • @Keba_sade
    @Keba_sade Рік тому +3

    My mother had the conversation with us growing up. It wasn’t directed in a way of “tough love.” As an adult through my experiences and research now understand what my mother was trying to get us to understand as children. As a mother of a black son, he’s 5. I try to find ways to help him understand whom he is and how he or we as black people are viewed in the world.

  • @lexylu619
    @lexylu619 Рік тому

    I’m always going to appreciate your point of view!

  • @selma4463
    @selma4463 Рік тому +1

    Joulzy. I am a Norwegian white woman and I feel like I am learning so much from you, I'm reaching conclusions I'd never reach on my own, with my prerequisites. I am thankful for you sharing your uninhibited thoughts and I humbly continue to absorb your philosophies about our society ....

  • @graceali-grap9919
    @graceali-grap9919 Рік тому +4

    I have always thought the same thing…
    There are some untruth in what she is saying.
    At the very least… she was so full of herself that she thought she will never experience what the ancestors fought through… and she got a very rude awakening…
    NOBODY is that unaware

  • @jward498
    @jward498 Рік тому +4

    The Chaos of the Meg(h)ans is HILARIOUS 😂

  • @sethuzothe6372
    @sethuzothe6372 Рік тому +1

    “Tyler Perry the godfather of their child.” 😭