I just said the same thing just a second ago and then saw yours. It's so obvious though, right? She's definitely got issues but she wasn't thinking of her parents when she did everything that she did.
Like that mother ever hugged her daughter long enough to notice that pregnancy. When you're close to your kids you notice everything. The mother with the "look how thin she is"... Well, did you ever ask her if she's ok or if shes got a problem with food because, you know, she was soooo thin? No. That woman is EXACTLY like my mother was. A cold fish.
The mother did not want to accept anything "normal" under her roof, and she turned a blind eye to it. As things escalated, they play as if they don't know in order to avoid responsibility.
15:00 her parents are hilarious... "we taught her honesty", say the father to proceed to say "she was pregnant 3x and did not tell us"... LOL, there you go "honesty"
Something’s WAY off with the parents… not only do they seem cold, detached, in denial, and indifferent, but I’m curious to understand more of how Kelly grew up… it would probably explain Kelly’s psychology better.
A mother not knowing about her daughter's several pregnancies is absolutely incredible. There are some very serious issues here... denial, indifference, indignation, you name it
I had a number of problems with my daughter and I became detached to cope, and yes she managed to hide the most surprising things. However the dad seems as if he could be controlling though
No one denials that the reality the mother desperately claws onto where her daughter is unrightfully convicted and in jail all because of a misunderstanding and a baby daddy who doesn’t answer his phone isn’t painful either; but not as painful as the reality where she birthed, molded and enabled a monster.
What total nonsense. Those parents were in denial and believed what they wanted and a kid would only get in the way of the image they preferred. Especially of the mother. How the heck can someone get pregnant so many times? No excuses. You don't repeat the same bad things time after time and call it a mistake.
I can understand one unplanned pregnancy, but I can’t get my head around why she kept on having more unplanned pregnancies, it’s not like she’s living in the early 1900 century.
As someone who is also "immune" to birth control, it happens. Her boyfriend said she was on the pill. I was on the pill with my first pregnancy. Then I was on the pill and the patch with my second.
As an American, I came into this with no opinion or knowledge of this case and I realize editing can change the whole story, but those parents are strange. He answers a phone call and walks away? He says “Wrap it up” and walks away? This screams parents who let money raise their daughter instead of them.
When he wants to wrap it up- Just prior to that, the mother is crying about Keli being in prison and giving him the evils. That set him off. I do believe the mother knew, I don’t believe she is horrible. I believe she is angry with her husband because he is the father of that child. When they talk about where the baby could be he says ‘I don’t know’ an uncomfortable amount of time.
@@margjeweijdt1510 it’s odd I’ve not seen anyone else comment a like thought. Everyone is focused on the mum being a narcissistic matriarch that has made her daughter into a sociopath. No one has picked up on her anger nor speculated as to why she might be so deeply in denial or pretending to be. The fact that she said “I thought I was on top of things” indicates there was a problem that she needed to keep an eye on and I rather suspect that the problem was her husband.
@Nous520 this! 💯 This is the exact gut feeling I got from that interview. Especially when he made the odd remark of his daughter being a child murderer, whilst flinging the box of medals down. Shame on the mother for not protecting her daughter & shame on the disgusting father. Both parents are equally to blame for how everything turned out imo.
@@Nous520I don’t know about all that. And I think that IF that were true, she would have NOTHING to lose by bringing that to light at this point. If anything, it would probably help her. So no, I don’t think that’s the case. It’s scary how quickly people are willing to crucify someone before knowing the facts.
1000% agree. Her mother and the other coaches - women esp. This girl was in a frigging SWIMSUIT alot of the time! But she was old enough to be on the pill by then without her mother having to accompany her to the G.P.......so why keep putting yourself through this? she clearly has serious psychological issues. Just like her mother.
It’s an odd thing to say from a mother who didn’t notice her daughter was pregnant so many times. Sounds like Mom was disgusted with her behavior, and she disappointed her with her drinking and pregnancies. Might be even more that went on. Mom may be fully aware her daughter is lying and covering for her saves face for her and her husband but it all disgusts her.
That mother "Sandy", is a bit out there. Its quite obvious why keli felt pressure to conceal her pregnancies. They "her and her mother" are both very cold.
The girl that kept getting pregnant was knowledgeable about contraception and the people performing the abortions surely counselled her.. It's her own actions that made this tragedy.. She seems like a person who seems exempt from responsibility.
I was pregnant at 16, had a full term little girl and gave her up for adoption. Even at 16 I knew I didn't want to do that again. She was completely irresponsible and selfish.
Thats amazing you went through that at 16. I'm glad you didn't abort. She definitely was selfish, you don't accidentally get knocked up 6 times in the end, especially when on the pill! The pill may not work all the time, but 6 times? Its obvious she learnt her behavior from her own mother. Disgusting her mother being in denial, as if she didn't know she was pregnant, just wouldn't admit it cause it would give the family or her a bad name
I do wonder where her parents was not supportive of her, it takes just one pregnancy for parents to help there daughters and go along a clinic to get protection for them. I think the parents should take some responsibility 😊
@@ellecee453the mother is extremely closed off and defiant. The body language alone shows that she is NOT to be trifled with. With her hovering as team manager, I have no doubt that she instilled that "winning at ALL costs" mindset in Keli. Just look where THAT got them.
And incredibly defensive, how could she not go to her parents at the age of 20 even and say she was pregnant? I wonder if she deliberately got kept getting pregnant almost like for attention, would her parents notice and do something? It's like all the mother cared about was Kelly winning and making the family look good at any cost. However, I do think the DOCS worker nailed it-Kelly is a sociopath-her planning, lies behaviour and actions all are the textbook traits.
Her parents are cold and callous! It’s not OK what she’s done and I do believe that that baby is not alive, but I can clearly see why she was filled with so many problems! If she gave that baby to her father, there was no reason for him not to come forward when all this was going on. She deserves to be where she is, but it is heartbreaking what she clearly went through growing up in the home with those statues for parents. No wonder she didn’t confide in them. It is clear that her upbringing caused her to be a pathological liar with narcissistic traits.
I have questions…coaches and players on the water polo team were talking about her being pregnant. Why did none of the coaches speak to her mother about it?! And Keli disappears from pub, goes to hospital and has a baby, is gone for a couple days., reappears for her 20th birthday, then goes back to the hospital again. Was she living at home at the time? Did her parents not wonder where she disappeared to from the pub? Her friends were calling hospitals, they must have contacted her parents. Somethings not right here…truth not being told.
@@robw2486I believe they're referring to the friends calling everywhere. The friends would've called the parents to find out if she was there. They would've shared what they knew and why they were concerned.
I remember watching this on the ABC a couple of years ago, my opinion hasn't changed watching this again. Sorry but, every time I hear the mother talk and her body language, it makes my blood boil. I'm not going to suggest that the wrong person is in jail but, the mother knows more than what she is letting on. On a positive note, Caro Meldrum-Hanna is one of the few shining lights at the ABC and did a great job here.
I think she knew but her reaction is not surprising if you consider that her husband is the father of keli’s babies. The way she looks at him when she is crying about her daughter and he gets annoyed and then wants everyone to leave. He is a controlling man with secrets that he cannot afford to have revealed.
@@Nous520if that’s the case, one of these children will put their dna some day in the system and she would be linked to… by the way I hadn’t thought about this possibility at all btw. And now that I think about it, that should have been investigated too. It could be it’s not her father but some other guy, in her life, like a coach, or husband from one of her friends, you name it. I thought in the process they did take the dna of those adopted children right? So maybe they did check it? As I recall they said something that they believed maybe one of them had the same father as Andrew, but I remember thinking but that won’t help them if they don’t know who Andrew is. But maybe they did to see if they were all the same father or different fathers
@@Nous520I’m so glad to find I wasn’t alone with this thought! The mother’s abrasive personality is very telling and the father being retired law enforcement would offer him opportunities to keep everything secreted. I wonder just how powerful was this family? Also, were there uncles or older brothers who could have participated too?
Tbh Kelli is not a child. She’s an adult by then. I think if someone even asked her if she’s Ok she would have lied. She would have never acknowledged she was pregnant. Regardless, she has the responsibility as an adult.
I get what you're saying, but I would say at least the coaches and team managers had very real responsibility, as allowing a heavily pregnant woman to play competitive water polo is obviously a fairly major breach of duty on their part, whether the mother wanted to play or not.
How could her parents not know she was pregnant? They strike me as being in denial about their daughter's situation...info about the family dynamics might help explain why.
It happens all the time, there have been several cases of young girls having babies and either killing them or dumping them in garbage dumpsters and their families knew nothing.
It's amazing how a family can be this much in denial and are completely delusional. My mother knew I was pregnant when I was one month pregnant and not showing at all.
@@Philljag I wasn't talking about Kelly. I was talking about her family, especially her mother. I have never seen so much denial of her own daughter's pregnancies.
@@JoyRBradfordMy mother never knew I was pregnant out of 4 times until I told her. She wasn't in denial or delusional. She was busy with work, yes, but most of all, I was quite private and secretive. There are millions of variations and intricacies when it comes to relationships and social interactions. It's delusional to say that just because a family interacts differently than your experience then they are somehow failures. Some relationships are strong in one area but weak in others and vice versa... that's just a very simplified version of saying each is unique in it's own way. I do agree that these parents are maybe a bit resistant and possibly in denial but I do not agree with your blanket generalization.
@@JadedBelle Nope. Kelly knew her parents were ALL ABOUT appearances and she didn't want to embarrass them. I don't care how dysfunction a family is, when one of your daughters is pregnant especially after 6 or 7 months. Her mother was less concerned about her daughter than keeping up with the Jone's. She even knows the facts about her daughter and she is STILL in denial. It's pathetic!
My mother knew I was pregnant before I even I knew it myself😂 I was 19 and one day my mom was about to head to the store and I asked her to buy some oranges for me bc I’ve been craving for it. She asked, “are you pregnant?” I was like, “huh? Idk?” I went to take a test and yup! She was right. lol
I could not have ever played water polo with a pregnant woman. I would have refused to go along with the silence and would have insisted to know wether or not she was infact carrying a child. A distended abdomen in a teammate would be concerning no matter the cause and I can imagine no one adressed it.
Like come on.... in this day and age of technology they can't even confirm the existence of the father and people still believe her? And he's such a great guy he takes responsibility for his baby but won't come forward to confirm his existence to get an innocent person out of prison? That would make him evil. It doesn't add up. Either he's great or he's awful... pick a lane.
The pill tends to cause nausea so most women took it at bedtime. So if she was drinking a lot she may have forgot to take it until the next morning, or took it and vomited afterwards. If it was taken the next morning (or late morning if she slept in) it might not work. If she vomited after taking it then it wouldn't have worked.
Some of us became suicidal on it. It’s not simple. And it’s not something that should be worn on a woman’s shoulders. Some of us do not get to say no either.
Lets not forget that she wasn't a child when she had Teagan and the last baby she gave up. And whose to say that theres not other pregnancies that she dealt with on her own?
Yeah, it is sickening how people will act like it was not her fault. She was a grown woman and knew better. Her parents seem like jerks, but that is not the poing
Consider Ruby Franke, who thinks the best thing for her children is to forgive her and rebuild their relationship. That's delusional, and harmful, and those kids need her out of their lives. At least this woman understands that she would probably be disrupting a life built without her, so if her daughter doesn't want to meet her, it makes sense and is ok. That actually makes her a semi decent person. ...I don't happen to believe that Tegan is alive though, and I think keli is delusional, but that one statement isn't the condemnation that people think it is.
Could you imagine being so disconnected from your own child that your still learning brand new, public information about their case 21 years later?? Shame on you both as parents
Yeah but look at the evils she gives her husband. He’s the reason she’s that way. I think she knew her husband fathered and then arranged for the baby to go away. And she blames him for Keli being in prison but equally wouldn’t want to risk exposing the sordid details to get her out.
Well im sure its an awful thing to have to live with and the stress must be overwhelming. Its easy to judge someone based on a few minutes of video while being questioned about something so traumatic. Id like to see how you copped with something like this. I bet youve never had to go through anything difficult in your life
Keli keeps saying the reason she keeps getting pregnant. Even though it was traumatic having abortions & going through adoption. Is because of alcohol & self denial. Thing is she keeps saying "me" her trauma, what kept hurting her. You never hear her say anything empathetic towards how negatively it affected the babies. Seems like she is very selfish & narcissistic. That alone makes her look very guilty!
I met Keli only once in Manly LSC instantly felt something that made me think i didn't want to acknowledge her again and noticed she was pregnant. surprise's me nobody picked up that pregnancy took me 2 seconds
We have a similar case in the USA. Baby Gabriel went missing in 2009 in AZ after his "mother" supposedly gave him away. He's never been found and his "mother" was only convicted of unlawful imprisonment, custodial interference, and conspiracy to commit custodial interference. She got out of prison and recently had another baby. Gabriel's father is still looking for his son.
It's interesting to me that the Brits and Aussies and others say "fell pregnant". Like you just fall down and get up and you're all of a sudden pregnant
Older literature describes unmarried mothers as "fallen women" so it fits well. Fallen from society, fallen from high to low (or lower) status, fallen into sin etc etc
@@chrissylibertyk9 yes we do now, it's become a common saying for all classes, but it used to be "proper" to say that married women "became" pregnant or have "gotten" pregnant or "conceived" etc etc. Hardly anybody worries about speaking "properly" anymore, saying "fell" is just easier 🤷
I've never heard anyone say fell pregnant here in Northern Ireland and I've never heard it from family and friends in mainland Britain either. Maybe it's more of a class phrase than location.
Her pals rang around the hospital and were told she had had a baby then the next day, Keli met up for a meal. (after getting a day pass from hospital), nobody confronted her then about having a baby??
The mother seems very smug with her, "Well, I didn't know" answer. They definitely played a part in why she behaves this way. I fell pregnant at 16. I chose to keep the baby, whether or not the father supported the decision. I miscarried and woke up during the D&C. It was awful and traumatic. Still, that didn't lead me to pull that same move again and again.
I've seen a similar case to this, when a father of biological children didn't realise his wife had given birth to 3 girls and given them away. He only thought he had 2 sons. The mother was stressed and in denial about the children and had mental health issues. He couldn't see she was pregnant with her sons, she just didnt show, so it was easy for her to have babies by herself. 3 adult females turning up on his doorstep was a surprise.
A very careless woman.I don't know if She Is responsible for the baby's death. Imagine playing water polo and drinking in the final stages of your pregnancy.Her parents are Two dopes.
22:35 Her moms saying she didnt think back and reflect on the previous years even after finding out of her daughters multiple pregnancies is so strange. More so being she is now in prison for killing one of those babies! Something isnt right with her.
I agree with the community services investigator, John, Kelli is a dangerous person, a psychopath, and narcissistic. She will never change and she is a danger to the community. When she dumped the 3rd kid she was 24. 24. No excuses.
What Mother doesn’t know their daughter - who lives at home - is 5 months pregnant. And, sees her regularly in her bathing suit. The parents denial of reality is disturbing.
She did that twice and the last one she flew out to another city as she was scared they would,catch on, and she was 25 weeks pregnant. And it was denied. And why she had to go back to her home town, to put it up for adoption and she lied on that application, have you adopted out before .. no. And this is what caused her down fall. It’s when they found out a baby was missing. I agree these late term abortion are usually only done because the moms life or the baby’s life is in danger. Not because you waited too long.
They failed as parents and now have to walk the line of defending themselves and facing their failure. I feel for them. They made mistakes like most parents do but their child and subsequent grandchildren paid a huge price.
This is more than one normal mistake. It’s complete denial of the truth. It would be different if they owned up to at least knowing she was pregnant! That’s downright nuts.
Keli Lane was eligible for parole on 12 May 2023. On 14 February 2024 Lane was sent back behind bars to a maximum security prison after reportedly breaking the conditions of her day release which could potentially impact her chance of getting parole over allegations of inappropriate behaviour at an external worksite. Her case will be the first test of the new “no body, no parole legislation” amended and introduced in October 2022.
Keli is permiscouse. I’m sure her parents didn’t like that! Probably drank during pregnancy too! I’d be disappointed with my daughters behavior as well. .
She can never admit the truth. She probably still wants her parents’ approval and admitting the truth would mean she’s flawed . What a horrific situation.
The mom - is that narcissism? Defendiveness? Sociopathy? Can't quite decipher her attitude. She claims to have been "shattered", but she and dad played ostriches when all the pregnancies were happening and are still doing it now. It's like they "didn't know" then - although I can't fathom how they missed it 5 TIMES - and still say now "well, we didn't know" so they escape responsibility. Really weird. "People never showed me they were open to me coming to them." No, not people; your mother. Kelli said she worked hard to be what people wanted her to be; no, not people, but your mother. They're all about your swimming awards, but their grandchildren? "Oh, well, we didn't know."
The first thing the Mother wants you to oniw is she taught Kelli to respect others.she pointedly infers it's ranked at highest priority. She didn't complete the sentence with, she taught Kelly to respect herself. This is indicative of a narcissist who shaped their people pleasing child (trophies) to respect them and be submissive. They raised her to put their image first. The father mentioned her swimming made them look good. Poor Kelli.
So sad for a young girl unable to confide in her mother. Sad too she didnt have a close best friend who could have helped her with her insecure life and decisions. She seemed to have invented a fantasy world to prevent herself from facing reality.
I feel the need to attack the parents, especially mum, for being so disconnected, but then, they have probably been through the wringer with the press, people and friends. Also, parents of 19 year olds don't know ANYTHING about what goes on with their kids.
Possible harm to her future babies was not a problem for her. Playing water polo while 9 months and drinking. Not hard to see that this woman could hurt a new born.
Her parents are so off-hand to the journalist.. and the defensiveness is so palable. Interesting. i look forward to the following videos on it. Thanks!
Why did her mother feel like making fun of other pregnant women for simply having their baby bump showing and that it’s always because “nowadays their dresses are too tight” (god forbid a woman wants to show off that she’s growing life inside her and also feel stylish and confident at the same time) and laughing was a totally normal comment to make at that moment (or like…at all)??? 👀 that woman is….something else. What an off putting demeanour.
Keli's mother is a terrible example of a mother! She's about as interested in Keli as Keli was in her own child. This woman was out of control and apparently didn't know how to use birth control pills properly. I would also believe she was a narcissist... only concerned about HER FUTURE and nobody else mattered, including her unborn child. What a shame! There are many families who can't have children and would love to have adopted her baby.
It's not up to the people in her life to ask her if she's okay. It's up to her at her age at that time to be responsible. She was 21 and not an invalid, nor was she unaccustomed to how babies were created. This is all on her. No one else.
The coach has more emotional connection to Kelli than her own parents. Speaks volumes.
The way the mother deflects with “I didn’t know that” is so telling. It’s all about protecting her image. Sick family
I just said the same thing just a second ago and then saw yours. It's so obvious though, right? She's definitely got issues but she wasn't thinking of her parents when she did everything that she did.
She just wants to absolve herself of any blame. I would say NPD. My mom is diagnosed and acts alot like that. Horrible
Agree completely. The mom makes me extremely uncomfortable.
@@tanjaandpeterragonesi2607
I literally just came to that thought myself while watching!
Very much the only Importants
Like that mother ever hugged her daughter long enough to notice that pregnancy. When you're close to your kids you notice everything. The mother with the "look how thin she is"... Well, did you ever ask her if she's ok or if shes got a problem with food because, you know, she was soooo thin? No. That woman is EXACTLY like my mother was. A cold fish.
And daughter sleeps around like a fish!
@@archerandthemouse not your child.
@@rcristyprobably her child that is why she wont say what relative this was.
that 1 friend did say she was more scared of the mother than the copper father..guess she was telling us something
The mother is in such denial it's absolutely sickening
The mother did not want to accept anything "normal" under her roof, and she turned a blind eye to it. As things escalated, they play as if they don't know in order to avoid responsibility.
And so defensive
Could she have been in on it?
More sickening than Keli murdering her kids?
Seems exponentially worse than just denial. She's gotta be delusional.
I don’t like the mother whatsoever, something about her is so arrogant and off putting right away
I don't like her.She had to know her daughter was pregnant she is a freak and the husband is so dumb with out any guts to stand up against his wife
She seems a bit detached and delusional about the entire situation.
@@Itcouldallbesosimple45this is presumably
where her daughter learned her behaviour from...
Exactly!
She is a narcissist
15:00 her parents are hilarious... "we taught her honesty", say the father to proceed to say "she was pregnant 3x and did not tell us"... LOL, there you go "honesty"
Something’s WAY off with the parents… not only do they seem cold, detached, in denial, and indifferent, but I’m curious to understand more of how Kelly grew up… it would probably explain Kelly’s psychology better.
Why do you think she’s the way she is??? Have these people never heard of condoms and birth control pills??
Her parents were there for her, they loved her going off this. Even the pressure alone doesn't make someone a child killer
Agreed, the parents were making it seem like because she was a great swimmer, she couldn’t possibly have killed her fifth child. Give me a break.
You noticed that too Yes they helped with her mental 😢
That mom is highly defensive…
Her parents are in denial because they don't want to own any responsibility for anything associated with their daughter.
So sick...
Don’t rock their world, they have blinders on.
They think by not accepting that is happening they aren’t accountable
I believe she gave her child away. I don't believe she harmed her child.
A mother not knowing about her daughter's several pregnancies is absolutely incredible. There are some very serious issues here... denial, indifference, indignation, you name it
That mother is a bare faced liar. How do you not know this stuff about your child? She seems so emotionally detached when she talks about Keli.
narcassist
I see a mother in pain
I had a number of problems with my daughter and I became detached to cope, and yes she managed to hide the most surprising things. However the dad seems as if he could be controlling though
No one denials that the reality the mother desperately claws onto where her daughter is unrightfully convicted and in jail all because of a misunderstanding and a baby daddy who doesn’t answer his phone isn’t painful either; but not as painful as the reality where she birthed, molded and enabled a monster.
The phrase is 'bald face liar"
The complete lack of interest or care about their own flesh and blood grandchild from her parents is outrageous.
Yeah I’m trying not to judge the parents as harshly as other are based on the comments, but that part is definitely sad and strange to me.
It is so infuriating that the mother keeps using the excuse “I didn’t know” like it somehow excuses her
What total nonsense. Those parents were in denial and believed what they wanted and a kid would only get in the way of the image they preferred. Especially of the mother.
How the heck can someone get pregnant so many times? No excuses. You don't repeat the same bad things time after time and call it a mistake.
I can understand one unplanned pregnancy, but I can’t get my head around why she kept on having more unplanned pregnancies, it’s not like she’s living in the early 1900 century.
Exactly!
As someone who is also "immune" to birth control, it happens. Her boyfriend said she was on the pill. I was on the pill with my first pregnancy. Then I was on the pill and the patch with my second.
@@Kelly-nt2rqthere are many other forms of birth control
@@jillijane9793 correct I was on two forms and got pregnant. Twice.
I know several women who are like that. But then again when Covid showed clearly how sloppy people are when it comes to prevention.
As an American, I came into this with no opinion or knowledge of this case and I realize editing can change the whole story, but those parents are strange. He answers a phone call and walks away? He says “Wrap it up” and walks away? This screams parents who let money raise their daughter instead of them.
When he wants to wrap it up-
Just prior to that, the mother is crying about Keli being in prison and giving him the evils. That set him off.
I do believe the mother knew, I don’t believe she is horrible. I believe she is angry with her husband because he is the father of that child.
When they talk about where the baby could be he says ‘I don’t know’ an uncomfortable amount of time.
@@Nous520This was my feeling too. Both parents know more than they are letting on. And there's a lot of anger there.
@@margjeweijdt1510 it’s odd I’ve not seen anyone else comment a like thought. Everyone is focused on the mum being a narcissistic matriarch that has made her daughter into a sociopath.
No one has picked up on her anger nor speculated as to why she might be so deeply in denial or pretending to be.
The fact that she said “I thought I was on top of things” indicates there was a problem that she needed to keep an eye on and I rather suspect that the problem was her husband.
@Nous520 this! 💯 This is the exact gut feeling I got from that interview. Especially when he made the odd remark of his daughter being a child murderer, whilst flinging the box of medals down. Shame on the mother for not protecting her daughter & shame on the disgusting father. Both parents are equally to blame for how everything turned out imo.
@@Nous520I don’t know about all that. And I think that IF that were true, she would have NOTHING to lose by bringing that to light at this point. If anything, it would probably help her. So no, I don’t think that’s the case. It’s scary how quickly people are willing to crucify someone before knowing the facts.
Mother looks like a real piece of work.
1000% agree. Her mother and the other coaches - women esp. This girl was in a frigging SWIMSUIT alot of the time! But she was old enough to be on the pill by then without her mother having to accompany her to the G.P.......so why keep putting yourself through this? she clearly has serious psychological issues. Just like her mother.
"Are we going to hash out every detail?" What an awful mother..... if you want to help your daughter,, why would object to the details?
" She was Never one of those tummy out here jobs "
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Why?
To me, it sounds as though she knew her daughter was pregnant multiple times.
@@amymckay23
Exactly.
She also said "Keli carries her pregnancies so well"
It’s an odd thing to say from a mother who didn’t notice her daughter was pregnant so many times.
Sounds like Mom was disgusted with her behavior, and she disappointed her with her drinking and pregnancies.
Might be even more that went on.
Mom may be fully aware her daughter is lying and covering for her saves face for her and her husband but it all disgusts her.
That mother "Sandy", is a bit out there. Its quite obvious why keli felt pressure to conceal her pregnancies. They "her and her mother" are both very cold.
The girl that kept getting pregnant was knowledgeable about contraception and the people performing the abortions surely counselled her.. It's her own actions that made this tragedy.. She seems like a person who seems exempt from responsibility.
The boys/men who helped create the pregnancies, are also responsible for contraception if they aren't planning on being a dad at that moment.
I was pregnant at 16, had a full term little girl and gave her up for adoption. Even at 16 I knew I didn't want to do that again. She was completely irresponsible and selfish.
How wonderful that you gave your child life and adoption!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
Thats amazing you went through that at 16. I'm glad you didn't abort. She definitely was selfish, you don't accidentally get knocked up 6 times in the end, especially when on the pill! The pill may not work all the time, but 6 times? Its obvious she learnt her behavior from her own mother. Disgusting her mother being in denial, as if she didn't know she was pregnant, just wouldn't admit it cause it would give the family or her a bad name
❤️❤️❤️x
@@smith899 agree
I do wonder where her parents was not supportive of her, it takes just one pregnancy for parents to help there daughters and go along a clinic to get protection for them. I think the parents should take some responsibility 😊
This girls problem, is her parents, plain and simple. Her mother is the worst, very hard cold and in big denial..
I think her mother is being dishonest. There is denial and then deliberate falsehood. Her whole demeanor reeks of deliberate falsehood.
@@ellecee453the mother is extremely closed off and defiant. The body language alone shows that she is NOT to be trifled with. With her hovering as team manager, I have no doubt that she instilled that "winning at ALL costs" mindset in Keli. Just look where THAT got them.
And incredibly defensive, how could she not go to her parents at the age of 20 even and say she was pregnant? I wonder if she deliberately got kept getting pregnant almost like for attention, would her parents notice and do something? It's like all the mother cared about was Kelly winning and making the family look good at any cost. However, I do think the DOCS worker nailed it-Kelly is a sociopath-her planning, lies behaviour and actions all are the textbook traits.
That woman is hardened to the fact that her husband fathered her daughters children.
This is the denial and the defiance.
@@Nous520this is what I felt watching them.
Father: "So theres your murderer" throwing a box of medals towards them. ??????????????????
Ya that was strange……
Yeah, she got medals so by all means, that means she didn't do anything 😆
That was a Wow moment for sure
Yes, I didn't know children who won medals at school couldn't go on to be murderers.
He thinks she did it. But the mother is in denial.
Her parents are cold and callous! It’s not OK what she’s done and I do believe that that baby is not alive, but I can clearly see why she was filled with so many problems! If she gave that baby to her father, there was no reason for him not to come forward when all this was going on. She deserves to be where she is, but it is heartbreaking what she clearly went through growing up in the home with those statues for parents. No wonder she didn’t confide in them. It is clear that her upbringing caused her to be a pathological liar with narcissistic traits.
I have questions…coaches and players on the water polo team were talking about her being pregnant. Why did none of the coaches speak to her mother about it?! And Keli disappears from pub, goes to hospital and has a baby, is gone for a couple days., reappears for her 20th birthday, then goes back to the hospital again. Was she living at home at the time? Did her parents not wonder where she disappeared to from the pub? Her friends were calling hospitals, they must have contacted her parents. Somethings not right here…truth not being told.
She was an adult, so technically they cannot breach her confidentiality by telling her Mother
I think, they did and that is why nobody is talking because the mother told them not to!
Her parents knew. They’re full of it and trying to preserve their image.
@@robw2486I believe they're referring to the friends calling everywhere. The friends would've called the parents to find out if she was there. They would've shared what they knew and why they were concerned.
I remember watching this on the ABC a couple of years ago, my opinion hasn't changed watching this again. Sorry but, every time I hear the mother talk and her body language, it makes my blood boil. I'm not going to suggest that the wrong person is in jail but, the mother knows more than what she is letting on. On a positive note, Caro Meldrum-Hanna is one of the few shining lights at the ABC and did a great job here.
Very cold mother. I also think she knew.
I think she knew but her reaction is not surprising if you consider that her husband is the father of keli’s babies.
The way she looks at him when she is crying about her daughter and he gets annoyed and then wants everyone to leave.
He is a controlling man with secrets that he cannot afford to have revealed.
@@Nous520if that’s the case, one of these children will put their dna some day in the system and she would be linked to… by the way I hadn’t thought about this possibility at all btw. And now that I think about it, that should have been investigated too. It could be it’s not her father but some other guy, in her life, like a coach, or husband from one of her friends, you name it. I thought in the process they did take the dna of those adopted children right? So maybe they did check it? As I recall they said something that they believed maybe one of them had the same father as Andrew, but I remember thinking but that won’t help them if they don’t know who Andrew is. But maybe they did to see if they were all the same father or different fathers
@@Nous520I’m so glad to find I wasn’t alone with this thought! The mother’s abrasive personality is very telling and the father being retired law enforcement would offer him opportunities to keep everything secreted. I wonder just how powerful was this family? Also, were there uncles or older brothers who could have participated too?
Tbh Kelli is not a child. She’s an adult by then. I think if someone even asked her if she’s Ok she would have lied. She would have never acknowledged she was pregnant. Regardless, she has the responsibility as an adult.
I get what you're saying, but I would say at least the coaches and team managers had very real responsibility, as allowing a heavily pregnant woman to play competitive water polo is obviously a fairly major breach of duty on their part, whether the mother wanted to play or not.
How could her parents not know she was pregnant? They strike me as being in denial about their daughter's situation...info about the family dynamics might help explain why.
It happens all the time, there have been several cases of young girls having babies and either killing them or dumping them in garbage dumpsters and their families knew nothing.
It's amazing how a family can be this much in denial and are completely delusional. My mother knew I was pregnant when I was one month pregnant and not showing at all.
What if she is innocent? How did no one know if it’s as easy as you think?
@@Philljag I wasn't talking about Kelly. I was talking about her family, especially her mother. I have never seen so much denial of her own daughter's pregnancies.
@@JoyRBradfordMy mother never knew I was pregnant out of 4 times until I told her. She wasn't in denial or delusional. She was busy with work, yes, but most of all, I was quite private and secretive. There are millions of variations and intricacies when it comes to relationships and social interactions. It's delusional to say that just because a family interacts differently than your experience then they are somehow failures. Some relationships are strong in one area but weak in others and vice versa... that's just a very simplified version of saying each is unique in it's own way. I do agree that these parents are maybe a bit resistant and possibly in denial but I do not agree with your blanket generalization.
@@JadedBelle Nope. Kelly knew her parents were ALL ABOUT appearances and she didn't want to embarrass them. I don't care how dysfunction a family is, when one of your daughters is pregnant especially after 6 or 7 months. Her mother was less concerned about her daughter than keeping up with the Jone's. She even knows the facts about her daughter and she is STILL in denial. It's pathetic!
Same here. My mom saw my body changing immediately.
Keli was so devastated with getting pregnant the first time, she did it 4 more times! Really??
She was devastated about the abortion
@@JPieps147not devastated enough to take contraceptives, obviously!
@ElaAusDemTal Yeah not even Condoms.
@@JPieps147so she got a second one?
How can a mother not realize that her daughter is pregnant? This is not normal, it is strange and suspicious.
My mother knew I was pregnant before I even I knew it myself😂 I was 19 and one day my mom was about to head to the store and I asked her to buy some oranges for me bc I’ve been craving for it. She asked, “are you pregnant?” I was like, “huh? Idk?” I went to take a test and yup! She was right. lol
Her mother knew, she just chose to ignore & bury her head in the sand. Where do you think the daughter learnt her behaviour from?
It happens all time
I could not have ever played water polo with a pregnant woman. I would have refused to go along with the silence and would have insisted to know wether or not she was infact carrying a child. A distended abdomen in a teammate would be concerning no matter the cause and I can imagine no one adressed it.
*whether
*addressed
I am getting a very strange / odd feeling about this so called Mom. Cold hearted, smug, sarcastic, crude, rude, unable to shed a song me tear/
She’s threatening in her mannerisms. Possibly a sociopath.
Words that come in my mind: Ignorant, in denial, emotionless, careless, cold. That goes with the parents and Keli
If you want to sleep around but don’t want children.. why wouldn’t you use protection???????????
She was on the pill.
@@dolinaj1Where did it say that? I missed it if they did.
when thry talked to the first bf
Hormonal contraception doesn’t work for some women. There’s a percentage of women who are basically immune to it
Clearly the pill wasn’t taken correctly. The. Pill not working twice in a 24 month period?? Na
I say CONGRATS to John.. FINALLY a social worker/child advocate that actually DOES HIS JOB & CARES about the kids!!!!
Caro’s investigative journalism is some of the best we have in Australia
The disconnect & denial on the parents’ part is unreal!
Like come on.... in this day and age of technology they can't even confirm the existence of the father and people still believe her? And he's such a great guy he takes responsibility for his baby but won't come forward to confirm his existence to get an innocent person out of prison? That would make him evil. It doesn't add up. Either he's great or he's awful... pick a lane.
This is not the Victorian age. There was extremely efficient and readily available contraception in the 90's....,
The pill tends to cause nausea so most women took it at bedtime. So if she was drinking a lot she may have forgot to take it until the next morning, or took it and vomited afterwards. If it was taken the next morning (or late morning if she slept in) it might not work. If she vomited after taking it then it wouldn't have worked.
Contraception doesn’t work for everybody. Some women are literally immune to hormonal birth control.
Some of us became suicidal on it. It’s not simple. And it’s not something that should be worn on a woman’s shoulders. Some of us do not get to say no either.
@@archerandthemouse 🎯
Couldn't have been taking it properly. @@archerandthemouse
Sandra,Keli's mum, knew about the pregnancies
Lets not forget that she wasn't a child when she had Teagan and the last baby she gave up. And whose to say that theres not other pregnancies that she dealt with on her own?
Yeah, it is sickening how people will act like it was not her fault. She was a grown woman and knew better. Her parents seem like jerks, but that is not the poing
"I don't necessarily need to meet her." That's one cold mother.
You're right 😮
How can you not notice Ur daughter was pregnant, plus all the lies
How’s it cold? Maybe this could affect her daughters life
*mother*,..shes ALOT of things but DEFINITELY not a mother
Consider Ruby Franke, who thinks the best thing for her children is to forgive her and rebuild their relationship. That's delusional, and harmful, and those kids need her out of their lives.
At least this woman understands that she would probably be disrupting a life built without her, so if her daughter doesn't want to meet her, it makes sense and is ok. That actually makes her a semi decent person.
...I don't happen to believe that Tegan is alive though, and I think keli is delusional, but that one statement isn't the condemnation that people think it is.
Could you imagine being so disconnected from your own child that your still learning brand new, public information about their case 21 years later?? Shame on you both as parents
The mom's reaction at around 22 minutes is just baffling. She's so cold and completely over the whole thing.
Sinister comes to mind. I relive my children’s childhoods every day wondering what I could do better for their benefit. That woman is COLD.
Yeah but look at the evils she gives her husband.
He’s the reason she’s that way.
I think she knew her husband fathered and then arranged for the baby to go away. And she blames him for Keli being in prison but equally wouldn’t want to risk exposing the sordid details to get her out.
Mom is evil
Well im sure its an awful thing to have to live with and the stress must be overwhelming. Its easy to judge someone based on a few minutes of video while being questioned about something so traumatic. Id like to see how you copped with something like this. I bet youve never had to go through anything difficult in your life
The parents are all about image. I can see why she wouldn't confide in them, especially mommy. She knew they would disown her.
Mother said Kelly was strong for not saying anything and going through it alone. No she was broken.😞
Both maybe?
@@yvonnedeboer7535 I get that.. I’ve been through trauma that has broken me in some ways and made me stronger in other ways. ❤️
Keli keeps saying the reason she keeps getting pregnant. Even though it was traumatic having abortions & going through adoption. Is because of alcohol & self denial. Thing is she keeps saying "me" her trauma, what kept hurting her. You never hear her say anything empathetic towards how negatively it affected the babies. Seems like she is very selfish & narcissistic. That alone makes her look very guilty!
I met Keli only once in Manly LSC instantly felt something that made me think i didn't want to acknowledge her again and noticed she was pregnant. surprise's me nobody picked up that pregnancy took me 2 seconds
“I felt like I was being made accountable”. You are accountable!
We have a similar case in the USA. Baby Gabriel went missing in 2009 in AZ after his "mother" supposedly gave him away. He's never been found and his "mother" was only convicted of unlawful imprisonment, custodial interference, and conspiracy to commit custodial interference. She got out of prison and recently had another baby. Gabriel's father is still looking for his son.
How sad.
It is also a crazy case, but where American courts failed the child, Australian courts prevailed at least.
It's interesting to me that the Brits and Aussies and others say "fell pregnant". Like you just fall down and get up and you're all of a sudden pregnant
Exactly...shouldn't it be 'became pregnant'or with child or expecting?lol
Older literature describes unmarried mothers as "fallen women" so it fits well. Fallen from society, fallen from high to low (or lower) status, fallen into sin etc etc
@@gisellemagraibhaigh8342 but they still say it for married women
@@chrissylibertyk9 yes we do now, it's become a common saying for all classes, but it used to be "proper" to say that married women "became" pregnant or have "gotten" pregnant or "conceived" etc etc. Hardly anybody worries about speaking "properly" anymore, saying "fell" is just easier 🤷
I've never heard anyone say fell pregnant here in Northern Ireland and I've never heard it from family and friends in mainland Britain either. Maybe it's more of a class phrase than location.
Her pals rang around the hospital and were told she had had a baby then the next day, Keli met up for a meal. (after getting a day pass from hospital), nobody confronted her then about having a baby??
Confronted? Or congratiulations 🎉🎉🎉 Very strange!!
The mother seems very smug with her, "Well, I didn't know" answer. They definitely played a part in why she behaves this way.
I fell pregnant at 16. I chose to keep the baby, whether or not the father supported the decision. I miscarried and woke up during the D&C. It was awful and traumatic. Still, that didn't lead me to pull that same move again and again.
Nothing but excuses from herself, her parents and her water polo teammates its really disgusting.
I've seen a similar case to this, when a father of biological children didn't realise his wife had given birth to 3 girls and given them away. He only thought he had 2 sons. The mother was stressed and in denial about the children and had mental health issues. He couldn't see she was pregnant with her sons, she just didnt show, so it was easy for her to have babies by herself. 3 adult females turning up on his doorstep was a surprise.
A very careless woman.I don't know if She Is responsible for the baby's death. Imagine playing water polo and drinking in the final stages of your pregnancy.Her parents are Two dopes.
22:35 Her moms saying she didnt think back and reflect on the previous years even after finding out of her daughters multiple pregnancies is so strange. More so being she is now in prison for killing one of those babies! Something isnt right with her.
Her mother definitely knew but just didn’t want to get involved. Her mother is just a cold and miserable person.
I agree with the community services investigator, John, Kelli is a dangerous person, a psychopath, and narcissistic. She will never change and she is a danger to the community. When she dumped the 3rd kid she was 24. 24. No excuses.
The mother is EXTREMELY UNLIKABLE!!!
What Mother doesn’t know their daughter - who lives at home - is 5 months pregnant. And, sees her regularly in her bathing suit. The parents denial of reality is disturbing.
20 week abortion is an abomination. It's absolutely horrifying. The baby feels pain.
She did that twice and the last one she flew out to another city as she was scared they would,catch on, and she was 25 weeks pregnant. And it was denied. And why she had to go back to her home town, to put it up for adoption and she lied on that application, have you adopted out before .. no. And this is what caused her down fall. It’s when they found out a baby was missing.
I agree these late term abortion are usually only done because the moms life or the baby’s life is in danger. Not because you waited too long.
Get psychiatric help
When does the next part come out? Great production, I am glued!
They failed as parents and now have to walk the line of defending themselves and facing their failure. I feel for them. They made mistakes like most parents do but their child and subsequent grandchildren paid a huge price.
This is more than one normal mistake. It’s complete denial of the truth. It would be different if they owned up to at least knowing she was pregnant!
That’s downright nuts.
They knew. They wouldn’t have helped her out bc they won’t face it now
I was 9 months pregnant and my mom said, “are you sure you’re pregnant?” I only gained 15 lb and just didn’t show much.
So nothing like Keli was then
My mother was almost not showing untill giving birth to me. People asked her why she wasn't working!! But she was about to deliver.
CAN NOT WAIT FOR PART 2
“Keli was Manley….” I took that a different way and thought it was such an odd thing to say lol
Then I realized it was the name of the town.
ikr?! Me too! :)
Same here 😂
Same!
the mothers body language shows deceptive behaviour-very dominating woman but Keli was an adult and ultimately is responsible.
Keli Lane was eligible for parole on 12 May 2023. On 14 February 2024 Lane was sent back behind bars to a maximum security prison after reportedly breaking the conditions of her day release which could potentially impact her chance of getting parole over allegations of inappropriate behaviour at an external worksite. Her case will be the first test of the new “no body, no parole legislation” amended and introduced in October 2022.
Keli is permiscouse. I’m sure her parents didn’t like that!
Probably drank during pregnancy too!
I’d be disappointed with my daughters behavior as well. .
Hmmmm....... guess the men who enjoyed her company are also promiscuous ...... not an accusation just for women! @@mimiity9585
@@mimiity9585She did drink during the pregnancies 😮
@@mimiity9585 showed her doing so in this documentary
She had good reasons to keep to herself! What a strange mother!
Parents are so unaware and not taking responsibility for caring more about what their daughter achieved, medals!!! than her as a human being.
She can never admit the truth. She probably still wants her parents’ approval and admitting the truth would mean she’s flawed . What a horrific situation.
Narcissists feel alone even when they are surrounded by friends because it is ALL about ‘keeping up appearances’
I think the mother hates/hated her
Spot on.
Jealous and resentful
The mom - is that narcissism? Defendiveness? Sociopathy? Can't quite decipher her attitude. She claims to have been "shattered", but she and dad played ostriches when all the pregnancies were happening and are still doing it now. It's like they "didn't know" then - although I can't fathom how they missed it 5 TIMES - and still say now "well, we didn't know" so they escape responsibility. Really weird. "People never showed me they were open to me coming to them." No, not people; your mother. Kelli said she worked hard to be what people wanted her to be; no, not people, but your mother. They're all about your swimming awards, but their grandchildren? "Oh, well, we didn't know."
The first thing the Mother wants you to oniw is she taught Kelli to respect others.she pointedly infers it's ranked at highest priority. She didn't complete the sentence with, she taught Kelly to respect herself. This is indicative of a narcissist who shaped their people pleasing child (trophies) to respect them and be submissive. They raised her to put their image first. The father mentioned her swimming made them look good. Poor Kelli.
This story is just like an episode of Home and away..
So sad for a young girl unable to confide in her mother. Sad too she didnt have a close best friend who could have helped her with her insecure life and decisions. She seemed to have invented a fantasy world to prevent herself from facing reality.
"So sad"? What if the child was 10 years old? What if she killed a 20 year old?
She deliberately killed someone and you say so sad.
The parents are stubborn and disconnected. ‘I dno’ in reply to where could their grandchild be. Don’t they even want to see their grandchild?
It’s been years now don’t you think they’re all worn out?
It's because they're disconnected that they "dunno". You answered your own question.
Ya, especially her mother. She lives in a constant state of denial.
I feel the need to attack the parents, especially mum, for being so disconnected, but then, they have probably been through the wringer with the press, people and friends. Also, parents of 19 year olds don't know ANYTHING about what goes on with their kids.
Good point by the OP.
Possible harm to her future babies was not a problem for her. Playing water polo while 9 months and drinking. Not hard to see that this woman could hurt a new born.
Fascinating. I cant wait to see the other ones! Thank you!
Sandy was "shattered a very long time ago"..
Her mother is a narcissist.
Her parents are so off-hand to the journalist.. and the defensiveness is so palable. Interesting. i look forward to the following videos on it. Thanks!
What if Keli showed up home with the baby and her mother said Nope!
" are we hashing over every little detail " she had an abortion, and was that devastated, she did it again.
You could tell those 6 minute conversations were absolutely PISSING her off😂
That is one mom in denial
Why did her mother feel like making fun of other pregnant women for simply having their baby bump showing and that it’s always because “nowadays their dresses are too tight” (god forbid a woman wants to show off that she’s growing life inside her and also feel stylish and confident at the same time) and laughing was a totally normal comment to make at that moment (or like…at all)??? 👀 that woman is….something else. What an off putting demeanour.
Keli's mother is a terrible example of a mother! She's about as interested in Keli as Keli was in her own child. This woman was out of control and apparently didn't know how to use birth control pills properly. I would also believe she was a narcissist... only concerned about HER FUTURE and nobody else mattered, including her unborn child. What a shame! There are many families who can't have children and would love to have adopted her baby.
Her mom would have known she was pregnant and decided not to do anything about it.
The mother seems so sharp, argumentative even! Like she's the one being accused of something.
It's not up to the people in her life to ask her if she's okay. It's up to her at her age at that time to be responsible. She was 21 and not an invalid, nor was she unaccustomed to how babies were created. This is all on her. No one else.
It is also on the man/men that helped create these babies; wrap it up, boys!
Thank you!! I’m SO confused why this series was even made… She’s not a victim. She got pregnant a bunch of times. As an adult too. So?
The fact that she wore white to her friends wedding tells me i need to know about her
Whenever in doubt, just ask, "Are you OK?" This question could change someone's life.
The mom is so strange, she is in total denial. Its all so insane and sad!
Just in the first few minutes, I don't like that father AT ALL. And the mother sat rolling her eyes heaps, when she thought no one was looking
This is such a well made series and I'm going to recommend it to my friends. Thanks for sharing!
When are the other 2 parts going to be uploaded?
It’s up. Did you see part 2
@Lifewithpersians just got it, thank you. Going to watch it now.
This is so well done! ❤