Always premium content. My dad always told us as kids, that if they can't see or can't breathe they can't fight. From the US Army in the 50's before the pussification of American culture.
Being 5' I always keep in mind unconditional levels of the playing field; blind and tripped. Tripped makes me the TALLEST person in any room!!! My 5' angle is "How am I going to get them on the ground AND blind?" Next, whack on head and tie up for backup. BAM. Surprise is key. Guys think hand-to-hand. I think 'DOWN'. Between legs and stand, tripwire, any other ideas?
My training was based on the O.S.S curriculum, (Fairbairn and Applegate, empty hand and firearms), Tim's TFT training methodology was missing, it completes perfectly.
I’ve trained with Tim twice and both 2 day classes were fantastic! This video really hit home for me because, on 5/15/2022 my friend, Dr John Cheng, was killed attempting to disarm an active shooter in a church in El Toro. He was a hero and a well trained CCW holder. Ironically the last class where we trained together was on weapons retention and disarming at Artemis Defense Institute in Lake Forest, Ca. Tim is SO right you gotta take out the brain! Thanks for the video and this valuable reminder!
Very sorry about your friend, he was a hero. I have watched some of Artemis "gun disarms", every time I bring up these subjects with Krav instructors they get very angry.
At 3:17, the one guy that commented why are they gun wrestling instead of decommissioning by any means necessary, has not had his mind perverted by mma/bjj.
Great job for shedding light on the dangers of gun disarming videos. It's important to educate people about the risks involved in attempting these techniques without proper training and experience. Keep up the good work!
Nice work, man. It's good to see someone addressing the issue of gun disarming videos and the potential dangers they pose. Your content is informative and insightful, and it's important that people are aware of the risks involved in attempting these techniques. Keep it up!
Thank you for sharing this important information. It's alarming to think that some people may attempt gun disarms without fully understanding the potential risks involved.
Tim's Weapon Series DVDs are a absolute must have for everyone. Packed with quality takeaways you'd be glad to have. If you're working Retail Jobs , Gas Stations , overnights by yourself , is even more imperative that you get it and absorb.
I've seen a lot of videos on gun disarms, but your video is the first one that's really made me think twice about attempting them. Thank you for raising awareness about the potential dangers.
I think as police have become more scrutinized, officers are afraid to use a move that would immediately neutralize an offender and it's sad because I think this is why we are seeing more police deaths...
Thanks Tim. Have some of your training and watch and have watched your videos. I’ve always wondered about your opinion on a firearm take down. I was pretty sure you would apply your TFT basic core philosophy and it would be going for nonfunctional but this scenario just scares the pee out of me… As a private pilot in my training in VFR (just basic instruments and visuals) it was always pretty much “See and be seen.”. Here it’s almost like kill or be killed. But as you often teach if you can avoid a situation do it but if you can’t at least unplug their brain! It’s a crazy world lately.
Thank you Mr. Larkin.. I to have been seeing the same trend. I also have extensive training in martial arts. Of course I'm now 60 plus. I've purchased a couple of your courses. And 1000% agreed. TFT. By far is the best way to survive a life threatening encounter. There are many ways to hit the correct target. You can learn that in any martial art. When you apply your TFT principles, you can eliminate the threat. Again thank you sir, for your dedication to this subject.
My Training has been Sayoc Kali We call this target fixation. Often a blade or weapon would be dropped in training. The new student would go for it while the experienced multiple blade practitioner would draw another blade and continue attacking the distracted guy not looking at him. Often the double wrist lock as mention ties up the defender s both hands while feeder is free to draw another weapon .
Tim i already Did ! Tuhon Tom is my instructor. I never had the chance to meet Frank but he is a legend in our TRIBE . I am a big fan of your content and always have had alot of respect for you and your perspective and tactical knowledge . Gumagalang,
We use alot of projectiles so blades hitting the ground is part of our training . The Wal-Mart scenario could have been different if attacker projected knife to cover draw of gun or officer could have pendulum tapped blade while drawing weapon to fire . So officer was correct knowing he had to deal with the blade but incorrect not loading other hand whith weapon while tapping. The double wrist lock is easily defeated by an experienced practitioner . He literally escaped with his life because the assailant wasn't trained with a blade. We would often take scenarios like this and train it multiple times with different variables . The perspective or assumption of only one weapon present is fatal . For example the two grapplers in the ring .if one of them produce a blade while opponent was unaware game over. Would you bring a knife to a gun fight ? Yes I would . As you have stated this is a very violent time and there has never been a greater need for proper training then now . Especially law enforcement dealing with these people every day. This is just my opinion .I am a low rank practioner that has been with the family and training with them off and on for 20 years
Are you doing any specific training on the latest and greatest and now, most common use of handguns and crime? Carjackings. Here in Chicago, if you duck long enough to escape random gunfire now in every part of town (good parts included) you may find yourself with a gun at your head or in your face simply while driving, stopped at a light, or now even filling up at a gas station. Other than immediate compliance, what in the world can one do in those situations? Again, most if not all come out of nowhere, no warning, time to prepare/react, or pull your own weapon or even make a move. Seems we're doomed. Probably not worth the fight, give the car/phone/wallet up and live another day. Others have ideas? Its now common in the city and suburbs out here now. Good parts of those areas no longer immune from any of it. I do agree with eliminate the Brain vs the weapon whenever possible. Thanks much.
Uh, you clearly do have time to get yourself out of harm's way. Pack your family up and move somewhere where you are much less likely to get shot over something trivial. I don't mean that in any kind of glib way. If you can get yourself out of the area, do so. That's the very first line of your self protection - don't be somewhere where you might get killed when you don't need to be. And yes, you can move. It might be a real pain in the backside, but being dead and your family not having you is much worse.
@bill, I think me at a filling-station is the worst place for an assault. My focus is fuel management and retrieving my credit-card. I remember reading about a fellow one evening quietly fueling his vehicle, then suddenly noticed a youngster on a bicycle sitting next to him. In his AAR, he describes the silent approach of the bicyclist... until the youngster was a foot away. After shooing the threat away, our hero finally cleared the circle of the pavement. Sitting in the dusk, several bicyclists were ready to participate in the 'get close enough to touch' game. . An aside: Although one team saw this as a game, the other team could easily interpret the 'game' as a potential life-threatening situation... and act accordingly. . For me: * I fuel only during daylight, * I stand with my back to my truck, * I have my dominant hand free to move.
Excellent content as usual from a man that has really researched what violence is and how it is perpetrated in the real life street encounters. Thank you Tim!
It still surprises me that most martial artists don't understand this! I teach Gutter Fighting and the goal is always to take out the person as a priority. Fairbairn taught stuff like this to WW2 commandos. A man with injured eyes or damaged airway can't shoot! I have seen everything over the past 40 years, and Tim is the man to go to.
Even though I don't own a gun, this content is still intriguing and informative. It's always good to learn about safety and self-defense, regardless of whether or not you own a firearm.
Great point. I see people focusing on ground work, and throwing triangles. I think to myself, what happens when you get a 4 inch tanto up the taint? I would suspect that would counter your lovely triangle that you took ten years to learn. No shade for the wrestlers. I'm sure they can fight better than me.
Is there any way you can provide a live link to this PDF in the video description? I have told (mangled) Sgt Young's story countless times in CCW classes over the years. It would be good to have a definitive source for reference Thank You..
Wow! Excellent video! I must tell I had an opportunity to train with a gentleman named Hoch Hochiem years ago. He also talked of the the importance of taking out the computer ie the brain. Thanks again for the excellent content!
I agree with you one hundred percent on this. You should always go after the person not the weapon. Meaning focus your defense or attack on the person more than the weapon. I actually made a video about a gun situation. Where I do actually mention that in the video. I would have to actually go back and watch it again, as I made it quite a few months back. Who's called how to defend against the gun. In the video I said something like. I'm not so much worried about grabbing, or stopping it from going off. But more about deflecting where the bullet goes, if the gun is shot. Most of your concentration, should be on the person that is holding the gun. Take them out, and you take out the threat of the gun.
Most People I’ve ever met who’ve talked on this subject were highly delusional. There was one case where a guy had just learned a “Gun Disarm” from his Karate instructor. The instructor had taught him to hit the Gunman in the neck while the Gunman is in the “Weaver Stance” with his weapon in his face. I used my Non Firing Replica with a full function Hammer. And explained the weapon retention position with a retracted weapon hand. And showed him that an attacker who’s knowledgeable on Weapon retention is gonna be impossible to do his beloved disarm on. Needless to say I deflated his ego a bit. Most of these would be Gun Disarmers are completely unaware of real weapon tactics and the speed at which a firearm can discharge. I like using my Non Firing replica for this purpose. Keeps the training honest!
I turn 71 in a few weeks. I have zero interest in wrestling some goofball. As TFT encourages, my focus is disabling the weapon. . And then, shift to the next weapon -- the accomplice(s). Why would the goofballs attack one-on-one? That sounds suspiciously like 'play-fair', but play-fair is not in their vocabulary.
Weapons are useless when it's on the ground or dropped. The one we should be aware of is the user, not the weapon. Thanks for the video and for always keeping it real.
Great wisdom Tim ! If you were Officer Young, what OFFENSIVE moves to the perps body would you have done to STOP the brain from continuing to give the perp ideas ?
Being familiar with TFT, I think Tim would agree with my answer to your question, in TFT training, the weapon is the brain not the tool the body is using commanded by the brain. In TFT classes we focus on decommissioning the criminal assailant by shutting down the brain with incapacitating injuries, crushing throats and removing eyes from the skull are the first and most basic things I learned from TFT. The scientific training methods used have a 100% safety record, and there are many reported stories from students on how well it worked in real life. What say you, Tim?
@@rodvan-zeller6360 a lot depends on how the aggressor is coming at you. While pulling a knife where is the aggressor looking? If they are looking at your eyes they are not expecting you to use your feet. A GOOD KICK to the groin or a knee would be unexpected. Many times, if you look somewhere else they will follow you and divert their attention there. How you handle these situations is dependent upon each individual situation, but most bullies or aggressors don't expect you to attack them, and when your fingers are removing their eyes things change for them. Like Mike Tyson said, " everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".
It's in the video. Just for rounding out, there's no need to think of any specific pattern or kata here. You could think of the plan you would work as being something like this (words may be familiar) What's the nearest part of them that you can injure with the nearest effective (hard) part of you? And then you do it. Repeat until the threat is no longer a threat (when facing unavoidable lethal force danger that means making them incapable through such injury, or a succession of injuries in a short space of time, that may produce unconsciousness or death). And of course you have to be able to explain what you did and why you had no other choice but to do it. Police officers get training for that, if you are not a police officer it would be a very good idea to get clued up so you have a system for explaining your actions that matches the police for effective use in court. Try Marc MacYoung's work for that. Mr Larkin has had him on as a guest previously. Mr Larkin's guests are real goldmines if you put in the time to learn from them.
There's a Sammy Franco video where they do the same thing with a knife as your first example with the gun. Something just didn't feel right about that when I watched that knife video.
Honestly, I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm scared of guns. It's not just the danger factor - there's something about the weight and power of them that just freaks me out.
I practice mainly Filipino martial arts so disarming is just inherent to that art. Any technique can fail you but obviously in a weapons engagement failure can end badly. I still think it's important to train disarming techniques both to understand how why and when they work as well as how why when they fail.
Well here’s is something to consider the vast majority of crime reports involving knives the victims report never seeing the knife. Those that survive those incidents are those that injure the attacker. The adage of most predators when it comes to a blade is “a knife is to be felt not seen”. As for disarms the challenge is to understand what are you trying to disarm? The tool or the weapon? If it’s the former then you have a potential disaster
@@Prot3ctMedia Yes, disarms are part of most FMA systems but they are not the goal. The goal is to end the other combatant in some way depending on context. Where a fair proportion of FMA students may go wrong is in losing contact with the fundamentals and getting caught up in learning patterns and techniques and forgetting the the root of FMA is carrying out warfare effectively. Bear in mind that with machetes and other longer blades the idea of dis-arm-ing is meant literally. Removing the limb or part of it. And that leads back to the context thing. Multiple combatant large blade fighting is warfare not self defence. Using a machete or other large blade to end a single individual or two or three muggers who pose a genuine lethal force threat to you or someone you have cause to defend is going to be a massacre if you know what you are doing. That's going to give you some serious legal problems unless you are very much on the ball with what you can and cannot do and why. That's a particular area that FMA students in the US really do need to pay attention to.
Hi Tim, good work I am a big fan all the way from South Africa, 🇿🇦. Can you please do a video of how to survive a hijacking? That is a real pandemic in south 🇿🇦 . Keep up the good work 🌟✨💫🌠⭐
@@rodvan-zeller6360 firstly, obtaining a legal fire arm license is a nightmare that goes up to 10 years and criminals use illegal guns with no licensing.
The criticising of the video which was shown was 110% called for. But, I do feel the example given here does get into an extreme. We're talking about a low upon low percentage possibility. Yeah, I will give it credit as a good canter view to the training in the video which doesn't show any use of violent attacks being implemented.
Plus 1 always work on the assumption if they have a weapon. Assume the the have another. It’s very common in the UK that criminals carry two or three knifes. Best defence, make the go to sleep quick
“Not fair“ or “illegal” in a life or death struggle? This crap ain’t MMA. There are no rules when your life is at stake. You do what you have to do to survive.
Solid stuff. In the situation described, I would either kick the gun away and run or do as described. In the former situation, you'd likely get 50m before he got a shot off and i don't fancy his chances of a hit.
I train Krav Maga and I can tell you that these gun defense techniques are great but in order to be proficient in them a practitioner must train consistently and repeatedly to gain the muscle memory and just the technique itself. The techniques also have to be practical without having so many steps.
And most important, do not keep handing the gun to each other, you will hand it back to the bad guy in real life. As far as economy of motion the less complex the move the easier to perform under adrenal stress
TIM, THE BEARD IS GETTING GREAT, LOL !!!! ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, THE OLDEST AND PERHAPS BEST (?) STUDY OF THIS TOPIC WAS PROMULGATED BY JIM LINDELL SEVERAL DECADES AGO. I'VE NOT TAKEN THE CLASSES ON IT BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ AND HEARD, JIM'S TECH'S TOTALLY BRUTAL AND MORE TO THE POINT, COMPLETELY EFFECTIVE. MASSAD AYOOB HAS BEEN TEACHING LINDELL FOR QUITE A WHILE IN HIS INTERMEDIATE CLASSES (WITH BLUE GUNS AND HEAVY WORK GLOVES, AT, I BELIEVE REDUCED SPEED) WITH GREAT SUCESS. WERE TALKING TORN LIGAMENTS AND BROKEN BONES HERE, SOME ROUGH STUFF, AT FULL POWER AND SPEED. YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE MAS ON YOUR CAST AT SOME POINT, HE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY TEACHER !!!
always been advocate of taking out the motor that is why I do not train domestically. On line training is good and videos for mind set but "hands on" with "taking out the motor" is the reality of defeating (not defending) but destroying the predators ability to use his tool... boots on end of this month. where is your do jo in Vegas?
When I was first shown weapon disarms (over 20 years ago I think) I was certainly taught to take out the attacker. But I wonder: is that an option for police officers, security guards, etc. in today's legal climate? It sure as hell ought to be! I know, better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 but we shouldn't put our police in that situation in the first place.
Oh, adding to my previous comment... Clicking "like" on a podcast won't give you the skills you need. You will need to get off your arse and train, study and practise this stuff. Training with Tim in person is ideal, but if that isn't an option, then get some video intruction. There is no excuse. David Stirling said the pursuit of excellence should be unrelenting.
My instinct was to run up and soccer kick the other dude, preferably in the head, while he's diving for the gun - is that wrong/bad? EDIT: Ah, that actually seems to be the advice near the end?
Almost. Kicks to the head can lead to you breaking bones in your foot. A shin kick through the neck (step through, not a flick of your leg) is what Mr Larkin was advocating. Doesn't break your shin. Does do bad things to the person going for the gun depending on where your shin goes in. Throat - good chance of death. Side of the neck - very good chance of a KO. Lower chance of death. Note that by stepping through you also guarantee their body trajectory towards the gun will also be changed. So if they don't drop they are still worse off and you can follow up with what you need to.
Always premium content. My dad always told us as kids, that if they can't see or can't breathe they can't fight. From the US Army in the 50's before the pussification of American culture.
Being 5' I always keep in mind unconditional levels of the playing field; blind and tripped. Tripped makes me the TALLEST person in any room!!! My 5' angle is "How am I going to get them on the ground AND blind?" Next, whack on head and tie up for backup. BAM. Surprise is key. Guys think hand-to-hand. I think 'DOWN'. Between legs and stand, tripwire, any other ideas?
@@chrishelmuth4065 Tim in his TFT training addresses the issues of different sizes and heights.
My training was based on the O.S.S curriculum, (Fairbairn and Applegate, empty hand and firearms), Tim's TFT training methodology was missing, it completes perfectly.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 Tim's approach is the healthiest I've seen, and I follow his videos. I do what I can when I can.
N if they cant walk either
This is a very good illustration on the stupidity of confusing mma/bjj with reality.
Great video
Learning safety and self-defense by watching you is the best thing I spend my time on.
I’ve trained with Tim twice and both 2 day classes were fantastic! This video really hit home for me because, on 5/15/2022 my friend, Dr John Cheng, was killed attempting to disarm an active shooter in a church in El Toro. He was a hero and a well trained CCW holder. Ironically the last class where we trained together was on weapons retention and disarming at Artemis Defense Institute in Lake Forest, Ca. Tim is SO right you gotta take out the brain! Thanks for the video and this valuable reminder!
Very sorry about your friend, he was a hero.
I have watched some of Artemis "gun disarms", every time I bring up these subjects with Krav instructors they get very angry.
would you recommend the Tim Larkin Classes for the cost to anyone wanting great information?
Sad to heat from your loss! Is there a Media coverage of the incident you could refer me to?
At 3:17, the one guy that commented why are they gun wrestling instead of decommissioning by any means necessary, has not had his mind perverted by mma/bjj.
Great job for shedding light on the dangers of gun disarming videos. It's important to educate people about the risks involved in attempting these techniques without proper training and experience. Keep up the good work!
Nice work, man. It's good to see someone addressing the issue of gun disarming videos and the potential dangers they pose. Your content is informative and insightful, and it's important that people are aware of the risks involved in attempting these techniques. Keep it up!
Thank you for sharing this important information. It's alarming to think that some people may attempt gun disarms without fully understanding the potential risks involved.
Tim's Weapon Series DVDs are a absolute must have for everyone. Packed with quality takeaways you'd be glad to have.
If you're working Retail Jobs , Gas Stations , overnights by yourself , is even more imperative that you get it and absorb.
I've seen a lot of videos on gun disarms, but your video is the first one that's really made me think twice about attempting them. Thank you for raising awareness about the potential dangers.
I think as police have become more scrutinized, officers are afraid to use a move that would immediately neutralize an offender and it's sad because I think this is why we are seeing more police deaths...
Absolutely!
Allot of videos of law enforcement mag dumping on unarmed civilians could also be why. Everybody has a camera nowadays.
@@outdoorloser4340 Some one should mag dump on you
@@billsmith1962 Go get your paycheck commie. Too bad you don't know the sweet taste of freedom!
This is very helpful content. People who dare to face such a situation can watch it. So that they can properly disarm those with bad intentions.
Thanks Tim. Have some of your training and watch and have watched your videos. I’ve always wondered about your opinion on a firearm take down. I was pretty sure you would apply your TFT basic core philosophy and it would be going for nonfunctional but this scenario just scares the pee out of me…
As a private pilot in my training in VFR (just basic instruments and visuals) it was always pretty much “See and be seen.”. Here it’s almost like kill or be killed. But as you often teach if you can avoid a situation do it but if you can’t at least unplug their brain! It’s a crazy world lately.
Excellent topic! Weapon fixation. Brain is primary weapon, not tool (gun, knife, bat, etc.).
This kind of topic is controversial, but you still have a courage to talk about it. Thanks man!
Excellent! As usual, very good usable information.
Tim always great thought provoking content. Thank you 👍
3:30 that was the same thought I had.
Incredibly Valuable Info Sir... Love your real world breakdowns.
All your content always adds to my knowledge. Especially in protecting myself from certain harm. Thank you
Glad to help
thanks for sharing this information with us
Great information (as-usual). Sharing with training mates. Thank you.
Outstanding points here. Nice job putting perspective forward.
Great advice. Love it when you show the "walk throughs" on You Tube.
Thank you Mr. Larkin..
I to have been seeing the same trend. I also have extensive training in martial arts.
Of course I'm now 60 plus.
I've purchased a couple of your courses. And 1000% agreed.
TFT. By far is the best way to survive a life threatening encounter. There are many ways to hit the correct target. You can learn that in any martial art.
When you apply your TFT principles, you can eliminate the threat. Again thank you sir, for your dedication to this subject.
Great Information , real world and practical. It makes so much sense
My Training has been Sayoc Kali
We call this target fixation. Often a blade or weapon would be dropped in training. The new student would go for it while the experienced multiple blade practitioner would draw another blade and continue attacking the distracted guy not looking at him. Often the double wrist lock as mention ties up the defender s both hands while feeder is free to draw another weapon .
Check out my interviews with Tom Kier and the late Frank Windle. I love the Sayoc Tactical Group, sound principles / solid training.
Tim i already Did ! Tuhon Tom is my instructor. I never had the chance to meet Frank but he is a legend in our TRIBE . I am a big fan of your content and always have had alot of respect for you and your perspective and tactical knowledge .
Gumagalang,
@@shawngillin2235 you are very fortunate to train with Tom. Please give him my best.
We use alot of projectiles so blades hitting the ground is part of our training .
The Wal-Mart scenario could have been different if attacker projected knife to cover draw of gun or officer could have pendulum tapped blade while drawing weapon to fire . So officer was correct knowing he had to deal with the blade but incorrect not loading other hand whith weapon while tapping. The double wrist lock is easily defeated by an experienced practitioner . He literally escaped with his life because the assailant wasn't trained with a blade.
We would often take scenarios like this and train it multiple times with different variables . The perspective or assumption of only one weapon present is fatal . For example the two grapplers in the ring .if one of them produce a blade while opponent was unaware game over.
Would you bring a knife to a gun fight ? Yes I would .
As you have stated this is a very violent time and there has never been a greater need for proper training then now . Especially law enforcement dealing with these people every day.
This is just my opinion .I am a low rank practioner that has been with the family and training with them off and on for 20 years
@@Prot3ctMedia Thank you Tim , he is world class fighter , tactical instructor and a great brother .
Awesome advice. As always.
Mr Larkin you are an amazing human being. And thank you Sir for sharing your martial insights and your combat wisdom.
Great lesson from the best man!
Once again.... spot on...
Are you doing any specific training on the latest and greatest and now, most common use of handguns and crime? Carjackings. Here in Chicago, if you duck long enough to escape random gunfire now in every part of town (good parts included) you may find yourself with a gun at your head or in your face simply while driving, stopped at a light, or now even filling up at a gas station. Other than immediate compliance, what in the world can one do in those situations? Again, most if not all come out of nowhere, no warning, time to prepare/react, or pull your own weapon or even make a move. Seems we're doomed. Probably not worth the fight, give the car/phone/wallet up and live another day. Others have ideas? Its now common in the city and suburbs out here now. Good parts of those areas no longer immune from any of it. I do agree with eliminate the Brain vs the weapon whenever possible. Thanks much.
Uh, you clearly do have time to get yourself out of harm's way. Pack your family up and move somewhere where you are much less likely to get shot over something trivial.
I don't mean that in any kind of glib way. If you can get yourself out of the area, do so. That's the very first line of your self protection - don't be somewhere where you might get killed when you don't need to be.
And yes, you can move. It might be a real pain in the backside, but being dead and your family not having you is much worse.
@bill,
I think me at a filling-station is the worst place for an assault.
My focus is fuel management and retrieving my credit-card.
I remember reading about a fellow one evening quietly fueling his vehicle, then suddenly noticed a youngster on a bicycle sitting next to him.
In his AAR, he describes the silent approach of the bicyclist... until the youngster was a foot away.
After shooing the threat away, our hero finally cleared the circle of the pavement.
Sitting in the dusk, several bicyclists were ready to participate in the 'get close enough to touch' game.
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An aside:
Although one team saw this as a game, the other team could easily interpret the 'game' as a potential life-threatening situation... and act accordingly.
.
For me:
* I fuel only during daylight,
* I stand with my back to my truck,
* I have my dominant hand free to move.
Good insight and the masterclass on your site is very Good ,it opens my eyes to new aproach.
Your methods will really help to minimize the damage.
Letting the winter beard grow in fall is rarely the answer.. but when it is, IT'S THE ONLY ANSWER!!
@Al,
Such a nice face.
No need to cover it.
Excellent content as usual from a man that has really researched what violence is and how it is perpetrated in the real life street encounters. Thank you Tim!
Great stuff as always!
Another great lesson. Thanks Tim.
As usual, Tim Larkin presents some of the best information.
It still surprises me that most martial artists don't understand this! I teach Gutter Fighting and the goal is always to take out the person as a priority. Fairbairn taught stuff like this to WW2 commandos. A man with injured eyes or damaged airway can't shoot! I have seen everything over the past 40 years, and Tim is the man to go to.
The best of both worlds, Fairbairn strikes practiced TFT style in slow motion with a reaction partner.
What is your favorite, or go to for a firearm control or disarm ?
Great information by the way ! Merry Christmas!
.🙌 Thank you for reminding us that gun disarming should only be done by professionals. Your advice is spot on.
Great content
Even though I don't own a gun, this content is still intriguing and informative. It's always good to learn about safety and self-defense, regardless of whether or not you own a firearm.
Great point. I see people focusing on ground work, and throwing triangles. I think to myself, what happens when you get a 4 inch tanto up the taint? I would suspect that would counter your lovely triangle that you took ten years to learn. No shade for the wrestlers. I'm sure they can fight better than me.
Brilliant video mate respect YNWA brother
Your content is really unique.
Is there any way you can provide a live link to this PDF in the video description? I have told (mangled) Sgt Young's story countless times in CCW classes over the years. It would be good to have a definitive source for reference Thank You..
Wow! Excellent video! I must tell I had an opportunity to train with a gentleman named Hoch Hochiem years ago. He also talked of the the importance of taking out the computer ie the brain. Thanks again for the excellent content!
I agree with you one hundred percent on this. You should always go after the person not the weapon. Meaning focus your defense or attack on the person more than the weapon. I actually made a video about a gun situation. Where I do actually mention that in the video.
I would have to actually go back and watch it again, as I made it quite a few months back. Who's called how to defend against the gun. In the video I said something like. I'm not so much worried about grabbing, or stopping it from going off.
But more about deflecting where the bullet goes, if the gun is shot. Most of your concentration, should be on the person that is holding the gun. Take them out, and you take out the threat of the gun.
Exactly!🙏🦉
Most People I’ve ever met who’ve talked on this subject were highly delusional. There was one case where a guy had just learned a “Gun Disarm” from his Karate instructor.
The instructor had taught him to hit the Gunman in the neck while the Gunman is in the “Weaver Stance” with his weapon in his face. I used my Non Firing Replica with a full function Hammer. And explained the weapon retention position with a retracted weapon hand. And showed him that an attacker who’s knowledgeable on Weapon retention is gonna be impossible to do his beloved disarm on.
Needless to say I deflated his ego a bit. Most of these would be Gun Disarmers are completely unaware of real weapon tactics and the speed at which a firearm can discharge. I like using my Non Firing replica for this purpose. Keeps the training honest!
Nice beard! Took you long enough LOL. Mine is trimmed back to about 12"....it looks good on you, Tim.
Spot on! 2nd to none.
I turn 71 in a few weeks.
I have zero interest in wrestling some goofball.
As TFT encourages, my focus is disabling the weapon.
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And then, shift to the next weapon -- the accomplice(s).
Why would the goofballs attack one-on-one?
That sounds suspiciously like 'play-fair', but play-fair is not in their vocabulary.
Weapons are useless when it's on the ground or dropped. The one we should be aware of is the user, not the weapon. Thanks for the video and for always keeping it real.
Great wisdom Tim !
If you were Officer Young, what OFFENSIVE moves
to the perps body would you have done to STOP the
brain from continuing to give the perp ideas ?
Being familiar with TFT, I think Tim would agree with my answer to your question, in TFT training, the weapon is the brain not the tool the body is using commanded by the brain. In TFT classes we focus on decommissioning the criminal assailant by shutting down the brain with incapacitating injuries, crushing throats and removing eyes from the skull are the first and most basic things I learned from TFT. The scientific training methods used have a 100% safety record, and there are many reported stories from students on how well it worked in real life.
What say you, Tim?
@@rodvan-zeller6360 a lot depends on how the aggressor is coming at you. While pulling a knife where is the aggressor looking? If they are looking at your eyes they are not expecting you to use your feet. A GOOD KICK to the groin or a knee would be unexpected. Many times, if you look somewhere else they will follow you and divert their attention there. How you handle these situations is dependent upon each individual situation, but most bullies or aggressors don't expect you to attack them, and when your fingers are removing their eyes things change for them.
Like Mike Tyson said, " everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".
It's in the video.
Just for rounding out, there's no need to think of any specific pattern or kata here. You could think of the plan you would work as being something like this (words may be familiar) What's the nearest part of them that you can injure with the nearest effective (hard) part of you? And then you do it. Repeat until the threat is no longer a threat (when facing unavoidable lethal force danger that means making them incapable through such injury, or a succession of injuries in a short space of time, that may produce unconsciousness or death).
And of course you have to be able to explain what you did and why you had no other choice but to do it. Police officers get training for that, if you are not a police officer it would be a very good idea to get clued up so you have a system for explaining your actions that matches the police for effective use in court.
Try Marc MacYoung's work for that. Mr Larkin has had him on as a guest previously. Mr Larkin's guests are real goldmines if you put in the time to learn from them.
@@blindjusticeandcommonsense2786 Agreed, articulation is key
100% Right
There's a Sammy Franco video where they do the same thing with a knife as your first example with the gun. Something just didn't feel right about that when I watched that knife video.
Honestly, I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm scared of guns. It's not just the danger factor - there's something about the weight and power of them that just freaks me out.
Can you create videos on self-defense techniques that don't involve the use of any weapons?
I practice mainly Filipino martial arts so disarming is just inherent to that art. Any technique can fail you but obviously in a weapons engagement failure can end badly. I still think it's important to train disarming techniques both to understand how why and when they work as well as how why when they fail.
Well here’s is something to consider the vast majority of crime reports involving knives the victims report never seeing the knife. Those that survive those incidents are those that injure the attacker. The adage of most predators when it comes to a blade is “a knife is to be felt not seen”. As for disarms the challenge is to understand what are you trying to disarm? The tool or the weapon? If it’s the former then you have a potential disaster
@@Prot3ctMedia Yes, disarms are part of most FMA systems but they are not the goal. The goal is to end the other combatant in some way depending on context.
Where a fair proportion of FMA students may go wrong is in losing contact with the fundamentals and getting caught up in learning patterns and techniques and forgetting the the root of FMA is carrying out warfare effectively.
Bear in mind that with machetes and other longer blades the idea of dis-arm-ing is meant literally. Removing the limb or part of it.
And that leads back to the context thing. Multiple combatant large blade fighting is warfare not self defence. Using a machete or other large blade to end a single individual or two or three muggers who pose a genuine lethal force threat to you or someone you have cause to defend is going to be a massacre if you know what you are doing. That's going to give you some serious legal problems unless you are very much on the ball with what you can and cannot do and why. That's a particular area that FMA students in the US really do need to pay attention to.
Hi Tim, good work I am a big fan all the way from South Africa, 🇿🇦.
Can you please do a video of how to survive a hijacking? That is a real pandemic in south 🇿🇦 .
Keep up the good work 🌟✨💫🌠⭐
What are the gun control laws in your jurisdiction? I am curious about the possibility of a holster under the seat between legs as you use your car.
@@rodvan-zeller6360 firstly, obtaining a legal fire arm license is a nightmare that goes up to 10 years and criminals use illegal guns with no licensing.
The criticising of the video which was shown was 110% called for. But, I do feel the example given here does get into an extreme. We're talking about a low upon low percentage possibility.
Yeah, I will give it credit as a good canter view to the training in the video which doesn't show any use of violent attacks being implemented.
These things should be prepared. It will be really useful.
Safety and defense is a must but let's always be responsible
Criminal assailant dives for the gun, properly trained "victim" field goals his head with steel toe boots.
NICE FACE FUR !!! THE MARINE CORP TAUGHT US THE SAME THING IN 1960, SEMPER FI. GOOD JOB.
This is very relevant, especially most people in the US owns a gun
Plus 1 always work on the assumption if they have a weapon. Assume the the have another. It’s very common in the UK that criminals carry two or three knifes. Best defence, make the go to sleep quick
“Not fair“ or “illegal” in a life or death struggle? This crap ain’t MMA. There are no rules when your life is at stake. You do what you have to do to survive.
Solid stuff. In the situation described, I would either kick the gun away and run or do as described.
In the former situation, you'd likely get 50m before he got a shot off and i don't fancy his chances of a hit.
What if the gun drops its hard to see ,only one person sees it ?
I train Krav Maga and I can tell you that these gun defense techniques are great but in order to be proficient in them a practitioner must train consistently and repeatedly to gain the muscle memory and just the technique itself. The techniques also have to be practical without having so many steps.
And most important, do not keep handing the gun to each other, you will hand it back to the bad guy in real life.
As far as economy of motion the less complex the move the easier to perform under adrenal stress
TIM, THE BEARD IS GETTING GREAT, LOL !!!! ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, THE OLDEST AND PERHAPS BEST (?) STUDY OF THIS TOPIC WAS PROMULGATED BY JIM LINDELL SEVERAL DECADES AGO. I'VE NOT TAKEN THE CLASSES ON IT BUT FROM WHAT I'VE READ AND HEARD, JIM'S TECH'S TOTALLY BRUTAL AND MORE TO THE POINT, COMPLETELY EFFECTIVE. MASSAD AYOOB HAS BEEN TEACHING LINDELL FOR QUITE A WHILE IN HIS INTERMEDIATE CLASSES (WITH BLUE GUNS AND HEAVY WORK GLOVES, AT, I BELIEVE REDUCED SPEED) WITH GREAT SUCESS. WERE TALKING TORN LIGAMENTS AND BROKEN BONES HERE, SOME ROUGH STUFF, AT FULL POWER AND SPEED. YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE MAS ON YOUR CAST AT SOME POINT, HE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY TEACHER !!!
It must be said... the beard is cool :)
As a woman, I need to know this thing. So that I can help myself in unexpected disasters.
In everything, there is a right method. It's not that you just did it, because if you don't do it right, you can be destroyed.
It's comparable to the old-west days, (the fastest draw.) It's still true today. When something bad goes down!!!
always been advocate of taking out the motor that is why I do not train domestically.
On line training is good and videos for mind set but "hands on" with "taking out the motor" is the reality of defeating (not defending) but destroying the predators ability to use his tool... boots on end of this month. where is your do jo in Vegas?
When I was first shown weapon disarms (over 20 years ago I think) I was certainly taught to take out the attacker. But I wonder: is that an option for police officers, security guards, etc. in today's legal climate? It sure as hell ought to be! I know, better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 but we shouldn't put our police in that situation in the first place.
Why not? Cops mag dump all the time.
If the method is not correct, you may end up being the one who will be harmed in the end
Oh, adding to my previous comment...
Clicking "like" on a podcast won't give you the skills you need. You will need to get off your arse and train, study and practise this stuff. Training with Tim in person is ideal, but if that isn't an option, then get some video intruction. There is no excuse. David Stirling said the pursuit of excellence should be unrelenting.
its been said so many times Guns dont kill -
yo buddy, gun disarm could turn into grappling
Yo thx!
Why not show 'both" hands as applies to the Way-Mart confrontation? Seems a miss. Classic second guess I know.
My instinct was to run up and soccer kick the other dude, preferably in the head, while he's diving for the gun - is that wrong/bad?
EDIT: Ah, that actually seems to be the advice near the end?
Almost. Kicks to the head can lead to you breaking bones in your foot. A shin kick through the neck (step through, not a flick of your leg) is what Mr Larkin was advocating. Doesn't break your shin. Does do bad things to the person going for the gun depending on where your shin goes in.
Throat - good chance of death.
Side of the neck - very good chance of a KO. Lower chance of death.
Note that by stepping through you also guarantee their body trajectory towards the gun will also be changed. So if they don't drop they are still worse off and you can follow up with what you need to.
@@blindjusticeandcommonsense2786 I'm not stupid enough to kick with my foot but thanks ...
Fantastic...excellent points... Take out the Brain First.
Just carry a backup gun, most cops and vigilant citizens do.
Why not put more actual training content up here?
First
That won't help you in self defense.
@@cp368productions2 Clearly you didn't understand my comment
By the way, all of your videos are great.No bullshit,straight up truth and logic. Thanx & be safe.