Conservative FINALLY Debates Student With Some Sense
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Father of five here. My advice is to acquire a skill that will make you valuable to society that you can use to improve the world.
"Acquire a skill that will guarantee you a job, and only then ponder on improving.
A degree is a multiplier, and no matter how much you multiply, nothing always will be nothing."
When I left Highschool I was so worried about what degree I should pursue and couldn't make my mind, there was alot of pressure to do something, but I didnt knew what I should go after and I refused to get into debt for something I didnt knew.
Long story short, I got a bunch of different jobs, liked a few, but, the very first question I would ask myself when I was hired on any of then was "What opportunities for growth I have in this profession or industry and what I could do to achieve this?" That very question would determine if I would even consider staying and try to pursue a career there or not, uf there was no growth opportunity, it was just a way to make ends meet.
That led me this far and I cant complain about the place am currently at, I am fully stable economically to the point of considering pursuing a degree just because I want to.
That was the advise I got from my Father back in the day and am glad for it.
@@matheusbee3441 No, a degree gets you the first job you need to get that information added to your CV. Tech companies are starting to hire people with experience over qualifications. Programming and especially cyber security are good examples of this effect
@@peterkent6250 I knew more about PCs when I was 10 Y/O than ny wife knows with 27 Y/O and a degree.
I tried to ingress into IT when I was 18 Y/O in three companies, I told them I didn't had any formal study as was it was clear with my CV and asked them to give me a test, whichever test they wanted and they did give me a test, they had a malfunctioning terminal and asked me to diagnose it, I ran some basic intranet tests and the terminal was non-responsive so I asked to check the terminal physically, it's ethernet port was malfunctioning because someone poured water in it (had easily spotable marks in it), I didnt got the job, they prefered a friend who mine who had the most basic of formal studies in IT.
Later on, at 21 Y/O I was living some bad times and applied to the same company my brother works at, for a operational job, during the interview the interviewer terminal malfunctioned and they called in the IT guys (my brother is a senior IT at the company but was in leave that week), the IT guy stood there for half an hour until I decided to call him aside, asked him if he had checked the connection with the central database of the company and tracked the route, he had checked the connection but not tracked the route, he went to call my brother while I asked the interviewer permission to take a look, I tracked the route and waited for the IT guy to come back, my brother asked him to track the route to find where the connection was being lost, 20 mins later the physical malfunction was cleared.
At 23 I started a simple IT shop in one of my country state's capital since no one would hire me, it was the best paying job I ever had, shit hit the fan with COVID when I went to visit my dad and the states closed the borders.
I also applied to a job as an attendant of sorts in a big tech, it was supposed to attend and keep contact with foreign costumers and Fluent English was a pre-requisite, one of the interviews was held in english and some other dude got the job because he had a piece of paper that said he had received formal education in English despite being barely able to held a conversation, that was the point I decided to run my own business, cause I noticed a piece of paper was more important for other people than actuak knowledge.
When I was 26 I worked as an office-boy in an accountant office, within 3 months I was taking account of a multi-national company from Portugal and my boss would just sign it, left it because I noticed I would never be allowed to move forward.
@@peterkent6250I agree with you on that regard, a piece of paper is mandatory to engage on any IT position, regardless of specification, atleast it was.
I tried a few times, not sure if the reply I wrote went thru, having a bad connection, but I have been turned down more times than I could bear in the tech industry because I lacked a piece of paper, despite asking and doing practical tests to show I knew the stuff I was applying for, if I had been accepted I would probably have a degree in the area by now, but I wouldn't bankrupt my young self for a chance to enter that industry.
I went as far as re-circuiting a board live for an interview for a technician role and was turned down because I didn't had a piece of paper. Hopefully that is changing now for this new generation.
Mother of 5 and I agree!
That young man, will get job offers, polite, reasoned, articulate, calm.
He won't.
Awwwww….hit a nerve sweetie. Ya triggered
@@damonwaton7865 you bute…
I had no idea what to do. My family did not provide any guidance. My high school friend and I decided the U.S. Navy would be the best route. 1 - I got paid, learned skills and supported my country. 2. - I got away from my family. 3 - I did not get into immediate debt.
Ironically, I didn't want more school after attending school for 12 years, but my first 2 years in the Navy was school. I served for 22.5 years, during which I took classes when I could to obtain my bachelor's degree, then retired with a pension.
Lots of anecdotes so here goes. 120k salary without a degree. I dropped out of college as it was a waste of time and indoctrination. I like to read and can fix anything. I started fixing proprietary machines at one of the biggest factories in the world. I started managing and I'm on track for my own department at 135-145/ year. Study doesn't end in the classroom. Learn soft skills, communication, and leadership.
Cost of education goes up.... Value of education goes down..... Figure out what you want to do (and don't want to do) before you commit to college
We need more trade schools and tax incentives for companies to take on apprentices.
While I was stationed in South Korea I found out that colleges only teach what is required for the job you wish to do, no extra crap. Wish we did more of that.
Sometimes the point of doing things is obscured by the most critical tool to gaining knowledge, interest. Because you weren't interested it CAN be nothing but crap. Self limits are a double edged sword. The same thing that is useful is indiscriminate in what it cleaves off.
My son in law and daughter both dod colleg. He did masters. He spent 10 yrs working his way up in a job that required no degree. After which, he was able to start at the bottom of a job requiring a 4 yr. Degree. He's still there. Yet, they owe a 135,000 in loans that will never be paid off. In fact, the interest is higher than the payments. So, it keeps going ip year over year. My daughter opened her own business that required nothing more than what she learned growing up. Now she is running her own air B&B. They both say they are not sending their kids to college unless they want to be doctors or lawyers, etc. Can't blame them.
My stepson was making $10/ hour working in a restaurant when Covid hit. Now he makes $270,000 in annual salary, plus $40,000 in stock options as a cyber security engineer at Amazon.
When Covid shut the restaurant down he started studying for an IT certification - learning it for free on UA-cam over a period of two months. Then he paid $300 to take the exam and get certified. He used that to get a $20/hr basic IT job. (So hey, two months of self-study and just $300 spent resulted in a 50% raise in pay.) After six months of IT experience and getting another IT certification he was hired by Amazon for $30/hour to help maintain their network at a warehouse. After nine months at Amazon (during which he self-studied and got a beginner cyber security certificate) Amazon put him into their cyber security training program and raised him to $40/ hour. He finished their program in six months and they gave him a raise to $60/hour. Within a year of that he was promoted three more time and now makes as much as a doctor. He has no degree. He’s an immigrant from the Philippines that arrived here in the U.S. only 7 years ago with English as his third language and no job experience whatsoever. His experience kind of proves the thesis of the video.
@@kevinkasp fantastic. Funny, my son in law works for Amazon too. He's an executive now and doesn't make any where near that much.
My son has friends who are twin brothers. One is graduating after 4 years with a degree in photography and can’t find a job, and is thinking about staying in college for a master degree (which will be equally not a marketable degree and cost lots more $). The brother went to trade school to become an electrician. He’s working for a contractor and doing side jobs at night and weekends and he’s looking at buying his 1st property to fix up and rent. One brother is getting deeper and deeper into debt. The brother is filling up his bank account and has a great future. If they weren’t related, the photography brother would be voting for politicians who want to steal the electrician’s money and give it to all the people who got useless degrees and are looking at a lifetime of debt.
So a masters degree alone just classes on average is 30 to 40k total. So a student pursuing a masters school without an academic scholarship as an undergrad was more than anything misguided. Community college is free if you live at home. A bachelors could be obtained at a public university for two years for 20,000. If you qualify for grants even less. So if your son has a masters and doesn’t comprehend STEM and the fabric of a society I would say for sure your son was scammed. If a kid doesn’t comprehend civic duty and the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge alone to then be applied no he shouldn’t go to school. Your son is in debt not because of college but the college experience. Dorms, spending money, and not knowing what the hell he was doing.
@@kevinkasp Being able to progress without any 'formal' education is why I love IT. I'm not likely to go down the cybersecurity route, but whatever IT route I choose, I can easily do it without ever having to go back to college (currently have an Associates from a tech school, paid less than $6k after Tuition investment from my work). All you have to do is WANT the education and you will be able to do it for free on your own time, without liberal propaganda or any sort of agenda from the instructors. Then show your employer that you have the skills and are willing to put in the effort to learn and grow. In the digital age college is only necessary for a small portion of careers.... And someday I fear it won't even be worth it for doctors who are told about all the mental illnesses they have to treat with 'gender affirming' care. Scary world.
Why not go to Vocational School? We need welder and plumbers, fork lift operators, mechanics, drill press operators. These are jobs that keep America working.
Because not everyone is built for those jobs. That's just the truth. College should always be an option, but it shouldn't be THE standard.
@Valorince no. No it's not. I've worked with all shapes and sizes. Twig thin to morbidly obese and everything in between. All one needs is to not be lazy or entitled , be willing to shut up and do as you are told, and to not get offended by what people say. Any one can word a trade. And plus not all trades are back breaking jobs.
Bc it isn’t taught. I went to school with people who didn’t even know that was an option. 🤷🏽♀️
It’s a pipeline.
People feel they might lose a finger in those kind of jobs. So, a cubicle sounds more safe.
@@chesterlestrange7725 No. No and again no. My father was hiring people working with wires (technicians that only handle wires). It is definitely one of the easiest job where you're tasked to lay down wires or fix them (so, basic soldering skills required). A lot of people failed one of his test which was a set of wired connected to two planks and the technician had to cut as little as possible to undo a knot. The right answer was zero cuts and most of them would cut at least one wire.
It was primordial that those technician were able to solve that kind of problem, because in most of the case, a cut that last a few seconds can cost millions, on top of that, you may be required to work on live. So, the least disturbance and the safer you are, the better. You don´t need a degree for that.
Yet, it was very selective.
Another test was to draw the simplified wire schematic of cables running through a model of a few rooms (mostly a few planks with tubes and dividers) . Lot of guys failed as soon a bunch of cables went through a tube. (You just had to connect the emitter and probe each other end....)
And the two problems complimented each other. If you tried to use the tools on the first one, you would achieve nothing. If you didn't on the second, you would achieve nothing. So, these two problems were more than enough to eliminate most candidates.
As for the written part, it was items like "is this a knot" or reading a work order and draw the situation or highlight the work to be done on a schematic.
Not everyone is fit for everything. Even to do what you're asked with simple wires, you need a brain. And training does not help when the task is already dead simple.
And note that those tests took place in a clean room and were gross simplification of the reality. In the field, the wires can be knotted over miles...and you still need to figure out that a cut is not necessary. Same for wiring diagrams that obviously span rooms of real size.
And those people already have some kind of qualification from trade schools.
My father also had an helper who had to do what he asked, like caring the toolbox, equipment around or driving him. Yet my father told me countless instances where his helper was going to hurt himself. My father had to do his job AND take care his helper doesn't arm himself. So, even that wasn't for everyone.
We should stop the BS that everyone can do X. No, not true. Most for some things, maybe. But that's very specific.
When I was in high school, I worked an electrical contractor. When I graduated, I was a journeyman electrician at 18. When my friends started their college debt, I was earning $40k/yr. At 18 years old in the late 80's, I was doing good. When I turned 20, I went into project management. Went to a JC, received my project management certificates. I was an electrical PM at 25. I may have been at the right place at the right time. I'm now in my mid 50's and retiring in 5 years.
You worked 4 years full time to earn journeyman in high school?
@@chrisshaffer2949 My hours were verified and passed the test at 18. In a right to work state, you don't need to be in a union to get your journeyman status.
Husband had a bachelors and makes only 50k while working in pediatrics with the speciality credentials and all. Took 10 years to get that pay. in college he was told starting average was 67,000. Only to find out locally the average was 40 000. A degree does not guarantee good pay. that said he stays working there because it's fulfilling work.
Exactly and people like to tell me that they are guaranteed higher pay but it’s never close to that, people never want to look at reality till it’s hitting them in the face
@@iandeschene6263 yep
"my Bachelors this year & my MASTERS next year". Thrown out so casually like he ain't buster his ass to accomplish that.
Stand up & take a bow JoJo, you deserve it. Momma & Daddy Van deserve kudos for raising such intelligent, thoughtful & open minded young adults. 👏👏
Yeah totally agreed, that’s grit. Not “I’m scheduled to graduate” or “I’m supposed to graduate “ but “I’m going to graduate.” Great work Jojo and thanks for being an exception to the ‘college is a scam’ rule. You’ll do great!
I never busted my ass in school but easily made A's. I am 57 also have 3 degrees, none of which I've used in the last 20 years.
Good job Jojo. Your education wasn't a waste. You chose a education that will benefit the world.
From 18 to almost 20 i went to college for baking and pastry cook spent 1 1/2 years in there with not 1 class that had anything to do with pastrys now 42 still paying off the loans
Didn't know what to do after high school, joined the army at 18, went to college at 22 for engineering, went to business school at 30. Heck, I even minored in philosophy and it taught me how to think outside the box. The problem is we push kids into a huge commitment at 18. If you don't know what you're doing, enlist, spend 4 years figuring yourself out, trust me when you get to college at 22 with money in your pocket and tuition paid for nobody is going to care you're 22 and not 18.
If your a parent who has spent 30 or so years in construction they are physically done . They don't want their kids breaking their backs being out in all sorts of bad weather and people don't respect you. When parents go to their kids schools they are treated differently from the parents with academic jobs and the one thing every parent has in common is they want their kids to do better than they did.
2:27 or definitely depends on the degree. Science, medicine, trade schools are all great for preparing people for the workforce. Humanities degrees like English history, art, literature, women’s studies, etc aren’t super useful for the world and are a super waste of money.
That is not necessarily true. People still need to know how to read and write properly because that is a major part of how we communicate. We do need people with degrees in languages, history, and such in order to help propagate information. What we don’t need is the excessive number of degrees in fields tha, if there are any jobs for them, they are all at “Big Evil MegaCorp” and a bunch of graduates who will say that it’s wrong to work for Big Evil MegaCorp since that is what they were “taught” in college.
Mandatory Classes that Have NOTHING To do with what you want to Pursue in Life.. Take a Tech/Trade School or Any School that deals with Nothing But what You want to go into.
I see both sides of the argument. You are PAYING for the degree, and you have to fulfill their requirements to get the degree. Their standards for the degree come from the idea of making you well rounded and educated. College isn't supposed to be a trade school tog et you to focus on a specific job, it gets you to learn a little about your specific job field, then unless you go to grad school, or stuff like med school or law school, all you paid for was to show that you can get what you need done and that you are well rounded. Nowadays though you can just cheat your way through a lot of classes, so y'know there is something to be said there.
TL;DR: College isn't a trade school to learn a specific job, college is meant to make you a well-rounded and well-educated member of society. Whether individual colleges do that is another thing.
@@connorallgood0922 it doesn't make anyone well rounded and educational. And college should be like a trade school. Those are the main issues that make college a scam. The other is that student loans drive the prices so high it's insane.
@@PolitikPolitik-fh2qc I'm not saying it DOES do those tings, I'm saying that is the intention. Also if you're going to college as a trade school, that speaks more to your level of intelligence than it does the institution. College isn't advertised as a trade school where you learn your job.
Student loans are a whole other factor. If you're going to have to take on loans and NOT go for a extremely well paying job path, then that also speaks about you. That's not a scam that's just someone making bad decisions.
The only reason I'm at college right now is because I have a free ride and then when I get out I'd be a comissioned officer in the Marines.
@@connorallgood0922 I think the reply is a demonstration of why college doesn't work.
A) it doesn't matter what the intent does. It doesn't do it so it's broken.
B) I never said you go to college like a trade school. I said college should be like a trade school. It shouldn't be a waste of time or money and we should get actually qualified people into relevant jobs faster.
C) College loans are predatory. And they are given out by the governement. Which drives up prices to colleges since anyone can get them. You are all about blaming other people when there are policy issues that affect way more than people making bad decisions. Especially people that are 17 or 18. They don't even have fully developed brains. of course they are going to fall for predatory loaning and make poor choices.
D) Good for you. But a free ride means someone else is paying for you. Which is another issue with college is how much the bill is footed by taxes and other people's money. Which just like student loans increases the prices. (and even if you have a scholarship from a military program thats still tax money).
The issue with your initial statement and your reply are very similar. They place the blame on other people when they are vulnerable to an extent and are told their entire lives that college is needed to live a good life. Which is just not true. They also aren't educated financially on making smart choices which should be taught in high school.
Also this isn't coming from someone who got screwed by college. I have a BS in CS. My loans after are relatively low. I use my degree in my job and make 6 figures by 30.
But only a small portion of that is from college and it doesn't erase the issues with student loans and college in general. I was making 80k with just an associates and a few years of experience in a technical field. I use my degree for my job creds but that is only technically the case. I could be in my same position with just an extra cert or two instead.
Charlie also points out that only 41% of students graduate. So students need to be told non college options. Also of the 59% a large portion are useless degrees that they are promised will give them good careers with good salaries but are mostly worthless.
@@connorallgood0922that was the purpose of college in the past. For the last 10 to 15 years, what is taught in college is not self sufficiency or broad education, but entitlement, arrogance, and far left rhetoric without any basis or proof.
I’m a CNC machinist. Started off in 2003 making 7$ a hour. 21 years later, I’m making 45$ a hour. No college. No college debt. You don’t need college to earn a good living. Find a shop to get a job and then start learning
Refreshing to see someone that’s respectful and can articulate his stance. No arguing, no swearing at each other, no interjecting just a good conversation.
What do they call the person who graduated last in their class in medical school? DOCTOR!
The heart of the problem most persons entering college posses, which you sought to reveal, is they are going there for a diploma and NOT for an education.
What Charlie should have said was something along the lines of, Society today does not value production. It does not value that you produce something, you put your love and effort into your work/creation and that is how you are valued. Rather, society today values consumption. It measures you based on how much you consume, I got this expensive watch, the $1k phone, these fancy threads, my style is right, Look at my crib, etc etc etc, none of which has anything to do with production. You don't produce an education you consume it. If we valued production as society has in the past then things would change and kids would know what to do. So what does a 17,18 year old do? Start valuing production and hang with people that produce and value that and quit valuing consumption. When you stop worrying about what others think of you and you do what you love, you become far richer.
3 weeks into my freshman year I decided that I was wasting my time. I decided to get into exterior remodeling for a temporary pay check until I figured things out. 6 month later I had started my own business and by the time my friends graduated I’d paid off my first home. My company has now been in business for 23 years and most of my friends and family are employed with me.
I'm a 60 year old man who said the same question. What do I do now that I'm out of high school? First thing I did was learn how to paint and earn money and B independent. Throughout my life I have many trades. I am a blue collar machine runner in a factory, I am a forklifter in a factory, I'm a press operator in a factory, I have been a white collar salesman of new cars and used cars, I've been a Salesman in home improvement, roofs for people's homes, citing for people's homes, windows for people's homes, basement waterproofing for people's holmes. Used Obama money to put myself through school to learn how to be a maintenance man while I work 3rd Shift as a factory in The Press Room period graduated got myself a maintenance job at Honda of America as a maintenance man in a fully automated Factory with lots of computers. I learned logical programmable controls and many other aspects of Maintenance like welding and pneumatics and hydraulics. I had to do this because I needed to work third shift while I raise my boys and got them off to school and got them to the dentist appointments and got them to their doctor's appointments. Only to run off to work third shift at Honda at night and be there in the morning to get them off to school. This is what life is all about. Get it! It doesn't have anything to do with money it has everything to do with your life!!
You are part of the fabric of America. 🥰
how did you get "obama money " when obama was in office I couldn't get a job anywhere but food !
College was very useful in teaching me to complete and deliver complicated assignments on time. It taught me organizational and time management skills, how to juggle impossible workloads and implement budgets and schedules. I learned how to sift through volumes of information and quickly identify and retain pertinent parts for future exams. The various individual and team exercises helped me identify the strengths and weaknesses of both types of assignments, and how to effectively work with a variety of personality types.
Very little of the actual material was useful, but the mental exercise was beneficial. Even so, it was only worth it because the career I wanted required the piece of paper I received at the end.
I learned all that the hard way - dropped into the deep end first high paying, high stress ops manager job I got by accident 🤣
All those are soft skills taht can be learned without spending thousands in loans. And many jobs unless it's being an engineer, lawyer, or doctor you can get just straight off experience.
@@PolitikPolitik-fh2qc I agree.
College was very important to teach me how to waste others time, money, and not respect them.
4 years total, and only 1 year of teaching student how to do the job they came to learn.
I learned all of that through hands on experience at Americorps NCCC. It’s a federal program for Americans 18+ where you work at non-profits around the US and travel and live with 10-12 other people. Airline tickets are provided and the paycheck is tiny but food and travel expenses for the group van is also provided. Living with several co-workers and working especially in non-profit settings where you need to work with people in need teaches you A LOT. I was doing and learning new things constantly like gutting a house, painting, doing taxes for people, cooking for 50 volunteers, making new educational programs for kids, etc. I learned all of these new skills plus a lot more like conflict resolution at age 18 straight out of high school. I was busy and a lot of work was physically taxing but I gained so many new skills I never would have gained if I had went straight to college or at any other job. Plus graduating from Americorps NCCC makes job applications look good and hirers like to ask questions about it - I was hired at my last two jobs because of it.
There are a ton of jobs that require a college degree for no discernible purpose. For instance, my sister applied for an entry level job as a cashier at the clothing store, Kohl's, but was told it required a four year degree. And to top it off, the job only paid $12/hour!
HS grad 1965, I.Q 142, 7 patent applications based on my concepts, guest speaker at MIT regarding my designs, BUT Motorola, who had recruited me, would not hire me. Why? They felt a college degree, (what it was in didn't matter), showed the sick-to-itiveness, initiative, and drive they wanted in middle level mgr. Me "Sgt, 4 years Marines, doesn't show the sick-to-itiveness, initiative, drive, and leadership you want?" I guess it does - am I hired? no.
I saw a job listing like that can’t remember if it was for a McCoys or a Tractor Supply but it was some type of store like that plus that wanted you to have 4 years experience for a cashier position. Absolutely insane.
A lot of us who didn't go to college have still developed into good people and productive citizens... Also, the most money I've ever made on a job was cleaning up and organizing hoarder houses. I've worked in retail, hospitality, food service, and cleaning, and the best jobs I've ever had were manual labor. I don't regret going directly into the workforce.
Way to go young man! Not only are you getting an education, but your podcast helps you gain wisdom.
Jojo. Upon graduation, apply for my brother's firm, EPY, Mission Critical. Your common sense is well sought after.
He is partially right. Those jobs that want you to work with your hands, want you to start at 12-14 an hour. That’s not a livable wage today, and I live in a cheap part of the country.
Top 4 colleges in Massachusetts are $90,000 a year!
Always fire 🔥 brother you are older than your years big love from the uk 🇬🇧
I dropped out of college and joined the army. I was a mechanic. Worked as a mechanic for almost 30years. I just graduated with an engineering degree. But it’s paid for. My wife and kids school is paid for. I make more money than most now at 51. Hrs right go out and work. Gain experience. Find what you really want to do.
What should you do when you have ZERO idea and goals… never get into 200k debt. For college, to many if not a majority just wants a party.
Glad I went to college 45 years ago. There was tuition and dorm fees ..but it was quite affordable. I majored in music. I didn't make a living from it but my studies helped me create a life worth living. No way could a person do this now.
I have the same concern-it feels like such a wasted a lot of time and money. Working in IT has shown me how quickly corporations can betray your trust by outsourcing jobs. Consider the examples of companies like Disney, ToysRUs, and various banks, where employees are often required to train replacements from other countries, such as India. These replacements are supposed to be highly qualified, holding Master’s or PhD degrees, yet frequently they lack basic coding skills or the ability to support an infrastructure. Even after starting many of my own It companies, I’ve had to compete with the lowest bidder on contracts.
You got a full ride!? Way to go! You have a bright future my friend.
I was about to go back to college till my buddy told me id have to take classes that had nothing to do with what i wanted to go for. Music and buisness. Tf do i have to take biology for for either of those??
Exactly music and business has nothing to do with college.
Music in itself people can be creative and make their own music as long as you know how to program and do stuff especially when recording and editing.
My son chose not to go to college because he didnt know what he wanted to do and found it a waste of money. We tried to get him to go to a tech school but he got a job that makes decent money and room for movement.
Really respect this kid ….you got balls bruh. Your gonna go far in this life. All the best
I HAVE the degree… the kid is saying… I have a degree in finance.. I CANNOT EVEN GET INTERVIEWS… went back got my masters… STILL CANT GET. INTERVIEWS… I have never made over 16$ an hour. 2 associates degrees… 2 bachelors… and a masters… they want REAL EXPERIENCE… period. Wont even speak to you if you dont have it.
I appreciate your honesty about the payment for college and it's fairness. My sister just graduated with an engineering degree. She had to get loans even though she is a 4.0 student because as a white middle class person, she doesn't qualify for many scholarships. She even gets notifications because they are legally required to tell her that a portion of her money is given to other students to pay for their scholarships. So her tuition payments literally were higher because some of her money that she paid to go to the exact same school was being used so minority students could go for free.
I’m sitting on $65,000+ in student loan debt and have no degree to show for it. I felt pressured by my dad to go to college even though I kept telling him I didn’t know what I wanted to do and didn’t want to start school not knowing what path I wanted to take. Eventually, through life events, I found a career path that I thought I wanted to go into and go to school for but, again, due to life events, I had to stop going to school. In that process, I found a job field that I have fallen in love with that does not require a college education at all. Does it pay good money? No. Does it pay the bills? For the most part. Yes college led me to this career path, but I regret the debt that it has now saddled me with that I will probably never be able to pay off. I had to take classes that had absolutely nothing to do with the career field I was initially studying for, but there were a couple of classes that I did learn some good life lessons in, but I think that was due to the professor that was teaching those classes, not the class itself. I am in a career field that I never thought about getting into before going to college. Never would’ve dreamed I would’ve enjoyed this so much. But I do. That’s the only positive that I can take away from my college experience personally. If my kids want to go to college, then that’s on them. I will encourage them to do whatever they feel is best for them, and that will make them happy in life. I will not be able to help them pay for it like a lot of parents can so if they decide to go, then they would need to make sure they get scholarships or have other means of paying for their degrees. But I also encourage my children to look at other career paths, such as welding, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, ect, that they could learn in trade school or on the job.
I have a 9th grade education. I learned auto repair on my own, got a job and all certifications, up to my L2 Advanced Master Tech cert. Now I'm 37 and make over $150k/ year working for myself. If I hire someone, I'll make more. College is great and all, but skilled labor pays well if you're smart. I personally have a friend who also dropped out of high school and was a complete computer nerd his entire childhood. He now works as a software engineer for Walmart, without a degree. He makes well over $200k. College is an indoctrination trap. Be smart, work hard and you'll get everything you deserve.
Imagine going into debt just for an often worthless piece of paper (humanities degree etc) and end up driving Uber or after many years of flipping burgers you are promoted to manager of the branch. After graduation, take time out of education if unsure of your future and travel the world, or work as cheap labour in as many jobs as possible.
Im so glad a brother chose the RIGHT MAJOR in collage
What my parents did when I graduated high school was for me to take a couple years off to work. I worked in a low-level position and scrapped by, which in turn allowed my younger self to realize what I wanted to do and what I should aim for and found out I didn't need a degree to get to where I needed (in the IT field). Not all fields that pay well need a college degree but do require/prefer certifications to get ahead. In my case I still have zero certifications, but I was able to prove my knowledge and skills, and now I am the main person certain PC OEMs come to in order to figure out client's custom GNU image deployments.
Good for you Jojo! You're going to go far, you've got a good head on your shoulders and you definitely don't come off as entitled. Im sure your parents are VERY proud of you! We couldn't help our kids with college. However they've both done really well because of their very strong work ethics.
How and why did you get a complete scholarship to go to college?
Great as usual! Keep up the hard work! You are a wonderful role model for so so many kids!!
You got it going on. All the best in your future. You are developing principled thought.
Tuition at Idaho State University is $1300/class for 3 credits. They just announced a 3% increase in tuition for the fall semester because of "budget shortfalls." Meanwhile, I'm working without a college degree and making $145k/year WITHOUT considering my investment income.
That's ridiculous ! Here at JCCC its $99/credit
@@ah5721 Is that a community college?
I have an MBA in Organizational DEV (branch of Human Resources) ... In order to get hired I had to remove my MBA from my resume, as no one would even interview me! Personally i would never recommend an MBA/Doctorate unless your going into Medicine/Science/Engineering. My husband is a Tool and Die Maker (technical) and makes more money than I do.
You have to look at what your average pay will be with your degree. Versus the cost of getting the degree.
thats also over simplified because most places will post the average of the US or the average in some of the highest cost of living areas. You also need to look at need, availability, security, the average pay starting in your area. The average cost of living in your area. It's a lot of factors that matter.
My parents Did not have money for me to go to college and pay really did not want to go to college. I got a job. Then joined the military. And forwarded my future. No at 55 years old and never went to college I make well above the medium income in the US with no college debt. Hard work and experience will beat college in the long run.
I dropped out of college, I'm from a rural Midwestern city. I make 2x the median income for my county. My wife with a degree makes 60% of what I make.
Most important acknowledgement is recognizing people have come to believe college is part of the "growing up" experience. Like its some sort of coming of age trial. That is absurd.
Here is something you need to think about also, just because you have a degree doesn't mean you will get a job. If you don't have experience, you won't get your "dream job." You need to get your foot in the door. So before you graduate, see if you can get an apprenticeship so you can go forward.
Don't take a year off... Work someplace, anything, hit the work force. Amazing what you learn about what you don't want to do for the rest of your life. And it makes you appreciate the schooling that you finally get. Life's lessons made not learned in your parents house.
Love listening to your commentary!
As a parent you want better for your children than you had. I worked myself from the bottom and was held back from higher paying jobs because of my lack of a degree. I worked construction always working to grow myself and I did I ended up working my way into a Chemical Plant that sent me back to school and was in my last semester and it happened at 46 I had a stroke and had to be put on disability. I broke myself down physically and mentally with constant physical and constant pressure to make a better life for my family, and for my son not to follow in my footsteps. Is this the wrong mentality to have, I feel a lot of parents in this same situation and feel that I have pushed my son into college not as a choice but as an expectation. I still have a lot of issues with my health but also want my son to be happy and healthy.
What do we do when we don't graduate? We scramble and pound the pavement, fill out applications, attend interviews, and take whatever jobs we can get. We don't follow our dreams. We don't do what interests us. We sacrifice and settle for less in nearly every aspect of our life in order to survive.
I'm a diesel mechanic, went to Minnesota State Community and Technical college to get my associates degree in diesel equipment technology. I love my decision because I don't feel like it was a waste, however 2 English/writing classes, an economics class, a small groups communication class, and a sociology, were required for me to get the degree. why in the world does a mechanic need economics or sociology?
sociology is the study of people in groups .. maybe they wanted you to not fall prey to mob mentality ? idk
@@ah5721 all I need to do is know how to fix diesels, I don't need to be indoctrinated on how to think
Love your videos, I wish I had more students as level headed and sensible as you. Great job from one Jojo to another. X
I have a friend where there son wants to be a plummer. And his parents talked down on the trade and skill. I told the kid talk to a plummer. Find out what there job is like and if its something you think you will like and make good money go for it. No one is to good to do any job . Do what you love a d enjoy
When I graduated highschool, I went into the military. It gave me a chance to mature, learn a trade, and earn some paid schooling in college.
Go to university in Germany, when I was a student, I wish I'd gone to Germany to study because the tuition fees were around €300 per trimester
I was originally gonna be an engineer. But then I saw the classes my brother was taking in college and was like, "I could not handle that." I ended up going to A&P school to work on planes.
The student just said he was not going to follow into what he is studying. So he wasted 4 years way to go
People misunderstand "college is a scam" -- of course college is right for some people, but it being the default when you don't know what you want to do is absolutely a problem.
Well Done !!
The Humanities are not a waste! The crisis we have in the western world concerning civil behavior is directly related to not having the a proper education in philosophy, ethics, oratory and psychology.
If college wasn't a scam, then why are students taking majors that will take forever just to pay off the loans it took to earn their degree. I just don't understand why they think the people that never went to college and became welders or masons ect.. should pay off the loans for them. Especially when 10 years later some of them will work right next to the guy that paid for their worthless degree.
The problem is, most kids now days want to start at the top instead of working their way up from the bottom.
most just want to get paid a living wage
@@ah5721 You see, that's subjective. Just what is a "Living Wage?" I couldn't afford a nice apartment and car or eating out, going out or any of the things kids today seem to think is necessary when I started out on my own. Heck, I had to decide which BILL I was going to pay that month and which I could hold off long enough to get another paycheck. That kind of hardship made me 'hungry' to improve my skills and get a better job, which I did. It taught me the difference between a 'want' and a 'need.' It also showed me how to manage my money wisely and not just blow it every chance I got. Lessons learned that help a person succeed in life. GOALS and sticking to them.
I have been through college and completely think college is a scam
People go to college to learn about a field and receive a skill in a field of their interest. They are willing to pay for this. However, colleges require everyone to take fundamental classes that have nothing to do with the field of study. Example: Having to take Psychology for a computer tech degree. One doesn't help the other. Why pay for classes that have little to no connection to your field of study.
I remember in grade school way way back in the day when they pushed hard for college while simultaneously belittling and degrading blue-collar work. It was a weird thing to see as a kid since every one of us came from blue-collar families. There was a concerted effort to break down the family, segregating people based on the type of work they did, so kids didn't look up to their parents and grandparents anymore.
College was never a good idea, but pushing that notion was necessary because it accomplished several goals at once. It stripped people of pride, understanding that they could make things with their own two hands, and those skills applied to the entire world around them. Secondly, it took their eyes off the intentional destruction of the American manufacturing base. We used to be wholly independent of any other country, only importing things we wanted, niceties, and now we're wholly dependent on other nations for necessities of the highest order. Don't think those things were coincidence, folks.
thats is a true take. Ive never put it together like that to see the whole picture , but yeah that's what they did !
@@ah5721 Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Like how the unions talked a good game, but conveniently played a central role in destroying every single business they get involved in. That might be a coincidence, until you start looking at how unions are grounded in communist/socialist ideology, originate in Europe, and their mantra is almost identical to that of the socialist party - "Workers of the World, Unite!"
Jonah Goldberg, in his book "Liberal Fascism", shows the deep ties between the democrat party and the socialist/communist movement of the early 1900's in Europe. It's not a surprise considering that the likes of Margaret Sanger would be a strong supporter of both the democrat party and the socialist/communist movement in Europe. Or that the democrat-controlled education system in the US would bury those connections so people didn't know exactly how close the two were.
Which might not mean much until you see that the democrats, through Jimmy Carter, destroyed the US steel industry without a second thought, and completely upended the school system since they got control of it when the DoE was created. We only have to look at the stats to see how good things were pre-1970 and how they are now. None of the metrics are good, and since the people in charge of that are supposed to be some of the wisest and most-educated experts you can find..... we can only assume that the results are intentional.
That last part is the part nobody really wants to acknowledge, though. Intent. We might not know the motives, but we can look at the results and infer intent. But that means admitting that there's a very real war going on that we've turned a blind eye to for generations. Did I mention that the teacher's union is the single strongest union in the nation? Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
I certainly do agree that most people do not need to go to college. I didn't go to college out of highschool on purpose. After 6 years in the workforce I finally realized what I wanted to do. It requires college. That is the only reason I am going. I do enjoy my classes though
Forget school out of highschool. Work two jobs. Figure out how to balance your finances and your schedule. Don't want to do that? Join the military. They will train you with a signing bonus, give you 4 years of training with the job you choose, and then they will pay for your schooling afterwards if you choose to go. Either of those options are best for the person that doesn't know what they want to do.
Good for you sir
You have sense bro and I see great things happening in your future. I hope it rubs off on your fellow peers
Amazing to hear what field and how rich you are going to be!
I wish this was a realization when i went to college. 1 degree with a minir and its useless. I had to go bc i wanted to go to law school.
love your vids LFR Jojo! You are a very intelligent young man and you have great insight into topics like this.
Congrats dude on your educational quest
Work work work work for the next 50 plus years and then struggle to get by
bru my professor told us he feels sorry for us because he went to school in Germany and was able to study exactly what he wanted, and he didn't have to take any fillers.
What they should do is GET A JOB! Any job! Start at anything! Get life experience, people experience. Learn everything you can at that job then use the knowledge to get the next better job.
I dropped out after a semester and became a novelist. Was making $200,000 a year before I turned 25. The only thing I regret not learning is effective budgeting. I went from growing up in poverty to making six figures in one year and I was very irresponsible. I wish they’d teach those things in high school, with a module on how to keep your mouth shut and don’t let your friends from the hood know you got money 🤪
College: Want to get a degree?
You: Yes.
College: Here's a degree
You: I can't get a job. You scammed me!
College: I didn't offer you a job. I offered job skills in the form of a degree. That's what you said you wanted. That's what you got. That's not a scam.
Join the military instead, do as much school as you can while you are in and then get out and get PAID to go to collage.
Please do not tell young adults to take a year off and do nothing. They should get a job, maybe a few different jobs to try out to know what life is and what they might be good at or not… what they are suited for or not.
If you choose a degree without knowing how that degree will support you (and pay off your student loans) after graduation, you have made a mistake and shouldn't be going to college.
The idea of college being a social place is because it used to be. That’s the major reason why my parents and siblings convinced me to go because that’s why they went. We gotta add places for young adults to go and chill besides going to the bars. I think that’s what it stems from, nobody wants to be lonely
It took me 7 years to get my undergrad degree. I had changed major and changed schools which dragged it out longer because of credits that weren’t transferable. Graduated and couldn’t get a job for a couple years because my degree was a useless degree. Worked a shit job in corporate world for 3 years for minimal pay. Decided to go to grad school to get my MBA from a top notch school to up my chances of getting a good paying job. Got my MBA and couldn’t get a job because the economy and job market tanked at that time. If only I went to trade/vocational school or Med school like all my cousins did or into the government sector like my parents did. My plumber, my hvac guy, my handyman…they’re all either millionaires or living very comfortably.
What should they do? get a job! My brother dropped out of highschool and make $120,000+ a year as a heavy equipment operator. 25 years ago I was making $55,000 a year out of highschool running a road paving crew. Jet a job, work hard and be a bada$$! That's what you do! Hard working people, that's what made America great.👍
an old acquaintance of mine is making $100 a year repairing heavy equipment like semis and tractors , makes more than his wife doing nursing . owns his own home and trucks together he and his highschool sweetheart wife have 4 kids .
We need more reasonable people making videos like this bro!!
College is looked on as a rite of passage.
The dude sitting behind a desk, did he go to college? Did he work doing manual labor? Whats his story? Dont go to college, but unless you work with your hands, too bad so sad. You can work in fast food or do only fans, then he will blast you for that saying "do better" He needs a reality check on life.