This was an insightful discussion on various aspects of Tesla Autopilot that I hope catalyzes further nuanced conversation on the future of AI-assisted driving. Starts at 2:35. The full outline of the video is as follows: 0:00 Introduction 2:35 Start of conversation: Autopilot motivation 4:01 Display the vehicle's perception of the driving scene 7:11 Algorithms, data, and hardware development 10:23 Edge cases and common cases in driving 12:18 Navigate on Autopilot 13:57 Hardware and software path toward fully autonomy 17:08 Driver supervision of Autopilot 20:13 Human side of Tesla Autopilot (driver functional vigilance) 23:13 Driver monitoring 24:30 Operational design domain 26:57 Securing Autopilot against adversarial machine learning 28:29 Narrow AI and artificial general intelligence 30:10 Physics view of love 31:53 First question for an artificial general intelligence system
It was a clever reply in a pseudo clever kind of way, and Elon was obviously enjoying the humor of it, but I don't think it was a particularly serious answer. I'm not sure it was a very serious question either. The implication in the question, and perhaps a better question might be "Do you think an AGI would have any better insights into any questions than people do now?"
@@tamie341 I think there's something appealing about this interview. It's kind of an unfiltered conversation between analytical minds and I like it. We've seen Elon smoking weed and laugh, this is good too
@@Tyraell01 it's good to see him converse with someone who can engage with him on his kinda level. Probably my favourite Elon interview I've ever seen was with a guy who runs a UA-cam channel (everyday astronaut or something like that I think?), at the unveiling of the starship prototype a while back. He asked Elon about the choice of rocket engine design, the pros and cons and why it was chosen over a more conventional type. It's definitely not my area of expertise so it went way over my head, but Elon's (almost childlike) enthusiasm was awesome to see, and some of the thoughts he shared really inspired me and stuck in my brain.
I love how Elon always completely listens to the other person whom he is talking to and then thinks before answering.Nowadays very less people do it and I have started to practice that.
@@gsh64 more than politeness, though, because a lot of people might listen to most of what people say, but they will still try to finish people's sentences, and then respond without taking time to consider what they heard. Im as guilty as anyone else, but it's something im working on
Elon has talked abou base reality and simulation theory numerous times. I found the interview was simply recycling old topics in a somewhat fresh way...
Lex kept asking the same questions with different sentenses. Not a very good interview imo. Also Musk seemed a bit irritated for having to repeat himself.
I was little shocked to see that a child of Alex Fridman (kind of obvious Jewish name) could have a child named Alexey Fedotov then intealised during Soviet times it was pretty common to name your child this way to protect them from antisemitism. He doesn't look Jewish so it might have worked. Here's his own tweet - A healthy mix of Russian soul, Jewish wit, and American guts makes for a good soup recipe, or so I heard.
@@joshnic6639 I thought the "other guy" did a really great job. He clearly knew what he was talking about, asked great questions, and really brought the best out of Elon.
@@joshnic6639 you should check who is Lex. You will then appreciate better that his questions were spot on. Also, Elon Musk will never take 30 minutes of his precious time to talk to some random guys. Elon Musk likes to be challenged by smart people. Lex is one of them.
@C0mmand 0ption his method works to get some of the most interesting guests on. He gets on my nerves often but it’s often my best (and only) option to hear hours of real intellectuals. Maybe he’s just plain enough
Probably the best ending to any UA-cam video i've ever seen. Well done Lex, I couldn't have asked for a more insightful, and surprisingly motivational dialogue.
Thomas Edison approach. Create the desire for something that doesn't exist, promise it does exist, then hire people to create it in your name, sell it. Repeat step 1. He's said before Edison is one of his heroes and models.
His answer about adversarial examples shows he does not have much of a clue himself what neural networks are. His solution to adversarial examples certainly is nothing of the sort. The problem with adversarial input isn't a lack of negative examples during training. That said the problem of adversarial input is overstated; finding adversarial examples requires exact knowledge of the parameters of the network in question, and the ability to feed it exactly controlled fake input. If you have that level of access to a self-driving car you might as well adversarially turn the wheel around and be done with it; why bother going to the trouble of misleading the cameras?
Wow, just WOW! Can you imagine the CEO of ANY other company having this sort of discussion? Meanwhile, the rest of the industry fires off all these platitudes about how they're going to take down Tesla and seem to expect Tesla to quit innovating and just wait for them to catch up. The fact that Tesla would have to go outside the established computer industry and develop their own computer to accomplish the requirements of Full Self Driving speaks volumes as to where the rest of the industry is OR should I say, is not.
The problem is that the majority of other companies are money/greed driven. Tesla is driven by the passion of someone with a childhood in scifi and the ruthless efficiency of a prodigy with an immeasurable IQ. You can't judge Tesla as as a regular company, it's not.
When Musk got involved with Tesla he realized the two key technologies for the company were batteries and autonomy. Main stream automakers couldn't see that. They are miles behind on both technologies. They are in a seriously no-win situation. ICE cars will go extinct. But who would want to buy their electric cars?
@@alilwittiness You mean like Hyundai cutting production of the Kona, or the Audi E-tron's "Real World Range" coming in at a paltry 204 miles? Or the mythical solid state battery that is always just months around the corner? Or Nissan's supreme battery management technology after about a decade in the EV field? Or Toyota's release of outdated EV patents whilst they concentrate on Hydrogen Fuel Cells? Oh, I forgot the holy grail of Graphene Technology. Sorry! Perhaps I am not "Fully Versed" in what is going on in the rest of the industry but I do believe Sandy Munroe has a pretty good idea of what is going on as it relates to Tesla, and especially in China. When FCA has to beg Tesla to take their millions of dollars to bail them out of their own shortsightedness, it just further re-iterates the dilemma Legacy Manufacturers are in. I will grant you that VW group spits out lots of interesting concepts but they need to actually deliver something. Whatever the future holds, there is LOTS of room for multiple players in the EV space. At least ELON and team have kick started the momentum.
Wow Sir your comment is extracting the exact reason why Tesla is going to rule ! The reason is their CEO, completely different and not profit ruled but innovation driven.
@@Stan_144 I think he was often like that during his interview with Joe Rogan as well; he seems quite reserved about what he'll say. Not sure about the "disclaimer" at the beginning as well. And, at the time I made that statement, I really was roughly at the 2 min mark, so yea, my expectations were higher.
I've never seen Elon so relaxed and authentic during an interview I have a new respect for him and Lex as well, what an ideal interviewer this was an excellent experience on so many levels
It was probably that Elon knows that Lex is at a certain level of understanding and intelligence, so he doesn't need to try to explain the things that he would normally be required to. Plus Lex asks great questions.
My favorite part in this interview...When Elon Musk was asked by Lex, “When you or someone else creates an AGI (artificial general intelligence) system, and you get to ask her one question, what would that question be?” After a 1 minute pause, where he’s deeply thinking, he finally responds, “I’d ask, ‘what’s outside the simulation’”?
A system can never know what’s outside the simulation because it’s only working with data it’s been fed. “In order to find that which is immeasurable, measurement must first come to an end”
I often think when people interview Elon : "Stop wasting his time, he's got work to do!" But this is one of the rare cases where his time was well used. Well done Lex
But how's this for a mind bender... what if we were to assume that everyone had the potential to achieve great things like Elon, but if you want to get there then there's "work to do"? What if the person whose time is being wasted the most... ...is _you?_
Very very very informative. Nothing compared to trashed pumped out by CNBC, FOX, Etc. for economic benefits. Thank you both for such powerful interview which helps general public have a glance at the future of AI and full self-driving.
So thats why the Techpriests of Mars worship Toasters! It all comes down to Elon making a divine toaster and bringing it to Mars. This kickstarted the Stellar Exodus and very much later the Cult Mechanicus...
I really enjoyed this interview, finally somebody who know enough about AI to talk with Elon about autopilot. And not some random journalist who ask always the same bonehead questions.
I've heard that Zuckerberg said that Musk doesn't understand AI. I'm not saying either person is right or wrong but does anyone know why he said that or what their difference of opinion is?
@@brando3342 I think it would be very difficult to come up with an honest true answer to this question in the few seconds provided. Of course Elon would have to use some humor and take reference from the previous topic to get through that question so quickly. However, you are undoubtedly spewing the "good news" and want us to all accept the undeniable fact that God walks among us, testing our ever-lasting souls for the attributes he deems acceptable in his white billowy country club he runs in the after-life. No Jews, Muslims, Hindu, or atheist need apply, God tosses their applications straight away.
@@brando3342 I'm not trying to make fun of anyone. To answer directly to "Not their fault and you don't know who's going to heaven, neither do I." I would say, you don't even know if there is a heaven to go to.. You were born into Christianity. I was also born into Christianity, but have discovered reasonable doubt. "It isn't a "simulation". This is Satan's world, the delusion God sent. Ignore it, go find your family and live happily." is a quote from you on a seperate thread in this video's comments. You seem pretty confident in your knowledge of god, and his intentions. I admit I have jumped to conclusions based on your other thread, and it was insensitive and lazy to assume to know the meaning of "Elon is not being honest." What did you mean when you said Elon was not being honest in his answer?
@@chibula I think this question is maybe more important than Isaac one, I mean If there is no entropy outside the simulation, clearly is not the last question. Elon question is not the last one neither, because, maybe there is another universe in which our simulation is running, but there is more simulations? which one was the first one? is a cycle? it has a end or a beginning?. Still, Elon's question approaches this concept more
@@joseph1541 Assuming for a moment that hardware processing power wouldn't be a bottleneck, a true AGI would be able to self-improve exponentially and therefore its intelligence would be effectively infinite. Now, whether its knowledge is effectively infinite is a whole other question that's dependent on the data it has access to. But if it's supplied sufficient relevant data, it should be able to answer any question. Of course, this is all hypothetical science fiction currently, as we don't really know yet if true AGI is actually possible.
A simulation is an attempt to replicate the universe. The universe can't be a simulation you fools. By definition. Can it be more than you ever imagine? Well, you bet your ass it can. But that doesn't mean any of it is fake, when, obviously, it's the realest thing you can perceive at this time of your existence
Theres way too many emotions in the 21st century Western world as it is, hence the creation of terms such as "safe space" and "triggering". Therefore, it is a welcome relief to observe over 30 minutes of erudite stolidity.
serious bro whats up with this weak intro.. lets get into it already he still talkin about stuff we already been knowing since the JRE podcast. alrighty then its about to start... oh wait its not hes still talking to himself where is ellon ???
@merimies If by "dumb" you mean people who don't take themselves too seriously and know when to let go, then I agree. Pretentious cunts need not apply.
He's right. The amount of drunks, druggies, retards, idiots, imbeciles and women operating this machinery, is unbelievable. Drivers licence should have much more strict conditions.
@@after_midnight9592I Wasn't going to like the comment because it didn't had to be said, it's so obvious. But then i read women and i had to like it :D
I just imagine God sitting in his heavenly throne, one foot resting on the opposite leg's knee. Chin in his palm, looking bored. Then Elon says that and God doesn't move for a second, then just gives a 🤨 "hmm" and lightly taps the glass dome behind which he sits, more in idle thought than for any structural testing purpose. On the other side of the dome, the tapping causes an enormous tsunami to strike the coast of Japan, killing 14.
What if the notion of outside is only pertinent to the simulation? Also, why do people insist on placing human attributes upon the divine? Isn't that rather arrogant?
Fascinating how Elon's brilliance is so focused while concurrently immensely flexible. When he's thinking, you can practically see his mind and imagination working together to weight out and explore different outcomes. Inspiring watching how passionate and immersed he is in the journey itself, not just arriving the destinations. Thank you, Lex!
Its like elon said before in the interview: the better the AI is, the more you can engage the autopilot. with the automatic lane change there will be a huge increase in time spent with autopilot engaged. therefore you get a lot of more data from these critical moments, thereby vastly improving the learning curve of the AI. this in turn alows you to engage autopilot even in more tricky situations and creating even more useful data. the better the AI, the more you can use it and the more you use it, the better the data -> better AI.
You can detect a different level of intelligence here. This MIT kid has a great brain for the workhorse technical stuff he did with his team. Elon, however, has that along with unrivaled common sense and practicality. A powerful combination to say the least.
I actually think the Lex's work on driver/passenger monitoring could be very assuring when teslas are in a robo taxi mode. Instead of it detecting mobile phone use, guitar playing and water drinking it could be detecting and reporting vomiting, littering and vandalism to the owner and Tesla.
I love the way Elon thinks. Things are just so obvious and automatic to him but they're revolutionary to the rest of us. His ability to see the future crystal clearly shows he's a true visionary.
The difference of comfort from 1st appearance to round 4 is nearly opposite ends of the spectrum. It's neat to see these two have conversations and how they evolve over time each appearance.
Say what you may, Elon Musk is a genius! And Lex asked very probing and very informed questions. This interview makes me want to buy Tesla stock right now!!
Feralz right but are those two things that related? The energy crisis from dwindling fossil fuels is millions of times more a threat than traffic fatalities.
@@robertblake1228 i used to think like that but elon is 100% right in the fact that in the future people will say we were crazy for driving cars , i actually think about that sometimes when im driving fast on the highway or anywhere else, just a tiny shift of my hands of 10 degree can make me crash and possibly kill me or others around me.
@@tamie341 my god! Just dont go on comparing everyone to elon and say the're nothing! Elon NATURALLY had a reading habit and had a computer since his childhood. Hkw many people have that NATURALLY? The thing is you're fucking jealous of Lex Fridman, so degrading him by comparing to elon. Get some better job to do.
31:30 "there may be ways to test if it's a simulation, but you can imagine that once an entity in the simulation found a way to detect the simulation, it can do something that corrects for that error" 31:52 "so when someone creates an AGI system and you get to ask her one question, what would that question be?" 32:16 "what's outside the simulation?" 32:20 Simulation: "time to end this podcast"
This simulation recurs infinitely. It's turtles all the way down. What's outside the simulation? Itself -- yet another instance of this simulation: the universe that generates intelligences that reverse-engineer their own simulation & implement a new instance of the simulation from within the simulation itself. Each instance of this simulation is encapsulated by an identical simulation; each instance of this simulation encapsulates a new identical instance of the simulation. The eternal, everlasting story of life in this simulation persists in infinite replica through recursion.
A friendly suggestion if I may, Pull the camera back just a little, bring it up slightly to drop your eye level, and leave some head room (space between the top of your head and the frame of the video) May be useful for reducing the sense of being imposing and general claustrophobic vibe. Just a suggestion based on general observation. You might have technical constraints I'm not aware of or what not, and I'm not trying to tell you how to run your show. Just minor tweaks that may yield improvements. Cheers.
I’ve always noticed him doing this. You can see the gears turning in his mind. It gives me some confidence that he’s not a robot because surely a robot would not do that. An alien however... I can’t be so sure. 🤔
Trolls , go hang with the Bergins . He was thinking .... if it we're AI he probably wouldn't move them at all or very slowly and robotic .I'd say he was puzzling his thoughts together . Get perspective ! . It's good to have an open mind but to open and your brain will fall on the sidewalk .
Nice to see Elon get interviewed by someone with the ability to challenge him with real probing questions. It's interesting to Elon struggle with his desire to speak frankly to a fellow engineer against his obligation to speak as the CEO of Tesla.
I feel like After listening to many other Elons interview I have noticed that he will have the answer prepared but always respond like he is struggling.
Elons expression as he is thinking of an answer to lex's last question reminds me of doctor strange going through all the different realities and considering all the outcomes.
@@mike_o7874 for real if I had to choose someone to end it all....I would choose Elon over Mark Suckerberg. Something tells me he would actually take care of us while we die or give us a honorable death, Mark on the other hand would probably find the cheapest of all and make it as sufferable as possible.
@@mike_o7874 You being ok if Elon turned out to be evil all along, simply because you admire him, is pretty much how the most evil dictators in history were allowed to thrive. One of the best quotes I've heard came from the anime villain, Aizen Sousuke: "Admiration is the emotion furthest from comprehenshion."
This was an insightful discussion on various aspects of Tesla Autopilot that I hope catalyzes further nuanced conversation on the future of AI-assisted driving. Starts at 2:35. The full outline of the video is as follows:
0:00 Introduction
2:35 Start of conversation: Autopilot motivation
4:01 Display the vehicle's perception of the driving scene
7:11 Algorithms, data, and hardware development
10:23 Edge cases and common cases in driving
12:18 Navigate on Autopilot
13:57 Hardware and software path toward fully autonomy
17:08 Driver supervision of Autopilot
20:13 Human side of Tesla Autopilot (driver functional vigilance)
23:13 Driver monitoring
24:30 Operational design domain
26:57 Securing Autopilot against adversarial machine learning
28:29 Narrow AI and artificial general intelligence
30:10 Physics view of love
31:53 First question for an artificial general intelligence system
It's kinda hard that you have to list such disclaimers. Good job Mr Lex
@LEX Fridman, you are the man!!!!!!
Thank you! Amazing insights!
Thank you very much for bringing in Elon Musk!!!
Bring karpathy and the other heads, hardware, engineering
"What's outside the simulation...?"
Legendary
That freaked me out
It was a clever reply in a pseudo clever kind of way, and Elon was obviously enjoying the humor of it, but I don't think it was a particularly serious answer. I'm not sure it was a very serious question either. The implication in the question, and perhaps a better question might be "Do you think an AGI would have any better insights into any questions than people do now?"
@@nicholas1460 No, it was a poignant question to pose. Much better than your attempt.
Nathan Connolly especially the long pause right before
You can literally see his brain trying to calculate the answer.
Emotions were definitely in another realm in this podcast.
Not a great interviewer imo. Elon opens up a lot more for a good host
laughing so hard right now!
@@tamie341 I think there's something appealing about this interview. It's kind of an unfiltered conversation between analytical minds and I like it. We've seen Elon smoking weed and laugh, this is good too
@@Tyraell01 it's good to see him converse with someone who can engage with him on his kinda level. Probably my favourite Elon interview I've ever seen was with a guy who runs a UA-cam channel (everyday astronaut or something like that I think?), at the unveiling of the starship prototype a while back. He asked Elon about the choice of rocket engine design, the pros and cons and why it was chosen over a more conventional type. It's definitely not my area of expertise so it went way over my head, but Elon's (almost childlike) enthusiasm was awesome to see, and some of the thoughts he shared really inspired me and stuck in my brain.
Yeaah they are 🤖
After watching one of the top AI researchers interview one of the top industrialists, it's really hard to watch politicians open their mouths.
@@FearlessP4P1 Reminds me of the snake from the Jungle Book.
@Epstein Didntkillhimself in the US they don't.
wats the video??
Lex has quit MIT to build AI of his own, so I would consider him as having entered the industry as well.
@Mister G I think that some pols are smart but that many do reside somewhere along the sociopathic spectrum.
I love how Elon always completely listens to the other person whom he is talking to and then thinks before answering.Nowadays very less people do it and I have started to practice that.
He is a polite gentelmen, that's why.
@@gsh64 more than politeness, though, because a lot of people might listen to most of what people say, but they will still try to finish people's sentences, and then respond without taking time to consider what they heard. Im as guilty as anyone else, but it's something im working on
Awesome.
take note Neil deGrasse Tyson
That's a sign of intelligence and maturity. So, we can only conclude that there are mostly dumb and childish people these days.
Best ending to an Elon interview that I’ve ever seen. Great question final question.
it was incredible!
Elon is an superb being
Elon has talked abou base reality and simulation theory numerous times. I found the interview was simply recycling old topics in a somewhat fresh way...
BEST ENDING I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
you can see his eyes are moving from side to side, like he was processing the question... very rare moment.
Funnily, a horse is more autonomous than a car
For a while.
Horses have personalities and can be VERY undependable. They also can fall down, or be put in danger by their riders!
I will use this comment if you don't mind me XD
Ok, now show me a horse that can take the right exits on motorways and understand traffic lights colours bro.
@@hl8684 yeah we are going back in time.
The density of high quality questions and answers in this podcast is mindblowing. Good job, Lex.
Lex kept asking the same questions with different sentenses. Not a very good interview imo.
Also Musk seemed a bit irritated for having to repeat himself.
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆
@@eugenecrawley4897 if he would be pissed off - why did he made it three times into this channel?
@@thuering6229 easy to ask questions within hindsight
When Russian Gangsta meets South African Gangsta, emotions have no space
Ben Shapiro would be fully erect if he watched this.
@@ClericChris 🤣 🤣
I was little shocked to see that a child of Alex Fridman (kind of obvious Jewish name) could have a child named Alexey Fedotov then intealised during Soviet times it was pretty common to name your child this way to protect them from antisemitism. He doesn't look Jewish so it might have worked.
Here's his own tweet -
A healthy mix of Russian soul, Jewish wit, and American guts makes for a good soup recipe, or so I heard.
Exactly my thought!
There was one chuckle and that too seemed forced :-)
💀😆
I wish they would both just calm down a bit.
Practical Islamic Finance yeah they are so FUCKING hyped😳
@@joshnic6639 I thought the "other guy" did a really great job. He clearly knew what he was talking about, asked great questions, and really brought the best out of Elon.
@@joshnic6639 you should check who is Lex. You will then appreciate better that his questions were spot on. Also, Elon Musk will never take 30 minutes of his precious time to talk to some random guys. Elon Musk likes to be challenged by smart people. Lex is one of them.
LOL YOU SON OF A BITCH
@@aqynbc and Lex has a black belt in BJJ ..he is one nerd that could fuck u up
Never thought I'd live long enough to see Star Wars meet Star Trek.
Discovery against the Enterprise???
Haven't seen a better ending to the podcast.
What are you... a 4 year old? What are you doing here my man? 😂😂😂😂 I am glad people your age are showing interest.
Wow. This podcast became huge. Great job Lex. Any plans to speak with Demis Hassabis?
@Jan Valach Pfft
This would be epic
Please make this happen
off course it did its an interview with ellon musk
2 views per sub is standard
"It's pretty crazy letting people drive a 2-ton death machine manually." - EM
When did he say this?
25:54
@@lonelyminer22
Twice
Can't wait for the headline "Tesla CEO calls their products 'death machines' "
@@FPRobber Don't provide clickbait title ideas please :D
My impression: This is like watching a really smart person talking to a super smart person.
I think you`re spot on.
@C0mmand 0ption his method works to get some of the most interesting guests on. He gets on my nerves often but it’s often my best (and only) option to hear hours of real intellectuals. Maybe he’s just plain enough
I had the image in my head of Newton talking to Einstein.
Probably the best ending to any UA-cam video i've ever seen. Well done Lex, I couldn't have asked for a more insightful, and surprisingly motivational dialogue.
You ever realize that you really needed something but never realized it until you saw it. This video is it.
Like sleep?
Thomas Edison approach.
Create the desire for something that doesn't exist, promise it does exist, then hire people to create it in your name, sell it. Repeat step 1.
He's said before Edison is one of his heroes and models.
@@STho205 what If there was nothing until some one desire/dream, then It could become possible to make It real? thanks for sharing!
Gohan is gonna defeat Moro!!🤫
"People have no idea what a neural net is, they probably think its a fishing net."
-Elon Musk 2019
Papa Goose he’s right
Or maybe mosquito net!!!
bunch of proportional gains that make their own complex formulas by trial and error adjusting
His answer about adversarial examples shows he does not have much of a clue himself what neural networks are.
His solution to adversarial examples certainly is nothing of the sort. The problem with adversarial input isn't a lack of negative examples during training.
That said the problem of adversarial input is overstated; finding adversarial examples requires exact knowledge of the parameters of the network in question, and the ability to feed it exactly controlled fake input. If you have that level of access to a self-driving car you might as well adversarially turn the wheel around and be done with it; why bother going to the trouble of misleading the cameras?
@@eelcohoogendoorn8044 I wouldn't count on him not knowing exactly what a neural net is.
"what's outside the simulation" gave me quite the chills. What a great question.
This sounds like a job interview
when Elon applied for Tesla
They were dressed for the occasion
LOL
Man, these robots are just getting better and better. They’re now discussing how they’re making other AI. Amazing!
Horrible but true...
@Larry Myers I think we could be friends 😂
@Larry Myers something will get electrocuted in the procedure
AI is responsible for the design of a range of products currently in use.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is far one of the best interviews ever held by anyone with Elon Musk, great job Lex 👍
I couldn't agree more. I may have to listen to this a few more times ot savor every morsel.
“Well, frankly, it’s crazy letting people drive a two-ton death machine manually.”
🤣 I love Elon. Check.
Bruh...why does it feel like it just started at the end? This was so good. Well done both of you.
When u got a funeral to go to but have to interview Elon Musk on the way
underrated comment :D
Lol
Lol exactly
or shoot some aliens and erase memories.
Hes wearing funeral clothes because hes gonna BURY Elon in the driverless car field!
Wow, just WOW! Can you imagine the CEO of ANY other company having this sort of discussion?
Meanwhile, the rest of the industry fires off all these platitudes about how they're going to take down Tesla and seem to expect Tesla to quit innovating and just wait for them to catch up.
The fact that Tesla would have to go outside the established computer industry and develop their own computer to accomplish the requirements of Full Self Driving speaks volumes as to where the rest of the industry is OR should I say, is not.
The problem is that the majority of other companies are money/greed driven. Tesla is driven by the passion of someone with a childhood in scifi and the ruthless efficiency of a prodigy with an immeasurable IQ. You can't judge Tesla as as a regular company, it's not.
When Musk got involved with Tesla he realized the two key technologies for the company were batteries and autonomy. Main stream automakers couldn't see that. They are miles behind on both technologies. They are in a seriously no-win situation. ICE cars will go extinct. But who would want to buy their electric cars?
You show you are not well versed in what others are doing in the field.
@@alilwittiness You mean like Hyundai cutting production of the Kona, or the Audi E-tron's "Real World Range" coming in at a paltry 204 miles? Or the mythical solid state battery that is always just months around the corner? Or Nissan's supreme battery management technology after about a decade in the EV field? Or Toyota's release of outdated EV patents whilst they concentrate on Hydrogen Fuel Cells? Oh, I forgot the holy grail of Graphene Technology. Sorry!
Perhaps I am not "Fully Versed" in what is going on in the rest of the industry but I do believe Sandy Munroe has a pretty good idea of what is going on as it relates to Tesla, and especially in China. When FCA has to beg Tesla to take their millions of dollars to bail them out of their own shortsightedness, it just further re-iterates the dilemma Legacy Manufacturers are in.
I will grant you that VW group spits out lots of interesting concepts but they need to actually deliver something.
Whatever the future holds, there is LOTS of room for multiple players in the EV space. At least ELON and team have kick started the momentum.
Wow Sir your comment is extracting the exact reason why Tesla is going to rule ! The reason is their CEO, completely different and not profit ruled but innovation driven.
I find the Horse an amusing metaphor because it can move on its own and also operates on renewable energy. :D
Lex: “You only have a certain amount of money”
Elon: “And I took that personally”
Game, Set, and Match. Loved the 2 Teslas in the background and in the reflection next to Elon.
like two eyes
Startegic product placement. Musk must have someone that knows marketing. He doesnt have anyone that knows how to run a company though.
@@alilwittiness He's doing it, and you're not. UA-cam comments are so funny and full of hubris.
@@alilwittiness He's a micromanager, if he wants to run the company everyone else who wants to run the company are either stfu'ing or have left
Watched like 2 minutes and already wish this was longer.
@@Stan_144 I think he was often like that during his interview with Joe Rogan as well; he seems quite reserved about what he'll say. Not sure about the "disclaimer" at the beginning as well. And, at the time I made that statement, I really was roughly at the 2 min mark, so yea, my expectations were higher.
@@Stan_144 His eyes are not "wandering" he is THINKING.
@@Stan_144 this is usually what people do when they work through a question and are trying to avoid providing a canned response
That's what she said.
@@--SPQR-- You took it out of my mou... wait....
Fridman: "Nice outfit, bro." Musk: "Thanks." Fridman: "No tie, tho?"
I've never seen Elon so relaxed and authentic during an interview
I have a new respect for him
and Lex as well, what an ideal interviewer
this was an excellent experience on so many levels
It was probably that Elon knows that Lex is at a certain level of understanding and intelligence, so he doesn't need to try to explain the things that he would normally be required to. Plus Lex asks great questions.
I think Elon respects interviewers who have subject matter competencies. That is the biggest difference for him it seems.
You have two aspies who are feeding off each other.
This was a satirical reenactment of what you would hear if two supercomputers were to have a conversation on a human podcast.
Hahaha! So true!
I love these guys, but this comment made my day. :D
You are a genius. That was hilarious!
Ok I will kill humans 🤖
Literally lol'd. Well-said!
Wonderful talk. Could easily have sat through another hour and a few more cups of coffee.
it was way too short. didn't really get into AGI.
My favorite part in this interview...When Elon Musk was asked by Lex, “When you or someone else creates an AGI (artificial general intelligence) system, and you get to ask her one question, what would that question be?”
After a 1 minute pause, where he’s deeply thinking, he finally responds, “I’d ask, ‘what’s outside the simulation’”?
A system can never know what’s outside the simulation because it’s only working with data it’s been fed. “In order to find that which is immeasurable, measurement must first come to an end”
@@shaduwy Quantum Mechanics be like: "Measurement what? Lulz 🤣"
@@shaduwy perfectly said. "The last question" by asimov plays around with that idea. Highly recommend, if you havent read it
He did not pause for one minute he only paused for 17 seconds. Because 17 is just a test.
@@TheVintageRomance Westworld Season 1 plays with this too.
Always satisfying to listen to an intelligent conversation! well done!
I often think when people interview Elon : "Stop wasting his time, he's got work to do!" But this is one of the rare cases where his time was well used.
Well done Lex
He regretted it so much he did another one
Lot of spicy memes to get to on Twitter.
I've thought the same thing before!
But how's this for a mind bender... what if we were to assume that everyone had the potential to achieve great things like Elon, but if you want to get there then there's "work to do"?
What if the person whose time is being wasted the most...
...is _you?_
Hear hear, great interview all around!
Very very very informative. Nothing compared to trashed pumped out by CNBC, FOX, Etc. for economic benefits.
Thank you both for such powerful interview which helps general public have a glance at the future of AI and full self-driving.
Yea and also CNN dont forget them
great comment! ❤❤🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
29:30 "You're confident that with Tesla you can create the world's best toaster" LMAO!! Goteemm
Problem solved
So thats why the Techpriests of Mars worship Toasters! It all comes down to Elon making a divine toaster and bringing it to Mars. This kickstarted the Stellar Exodus and very much later the Cult Mechanicus...
Pretty apt analogy. Where's the burn?
That pause at the last question made the answer send chills down my spine. Damn good stuff 👍
I really enjoyed this interview, finally somebody who know enough about AI to talk with Elon about autopilot. And not some random journalist who ask always the same bonehead questions.
I've heard that Zuckerberg said that Musk doesn't understand AI. I'm not saying either person is right or wrong but does anyone know why he said that or what their difference of opinion is?
Wow! What a beautiful podcast! I loved the ending...!
@@brando3342 I think it would be very difficult to come up with an honest true answer to this question in the few seconds provided. Of course Elon would have to use some humor and take reference from the previous topic to get through that question so quickly.
However, you are undoubtedly spewing the "good news" and want us to all accept the undeniable fact that God walks among us, testing our ever-lasting souls for the attributes he deems acceptable in his white billowy country club he runs in the after-life. No Jews, Muslims, Hindu, or atheist need apply, God tosses their applications straight away.
@@brando3342 I'm not trying to make fun of anyone. To answer directly to "Not their fault and you don't know who's going to heaven, neither do I." I would say, you don't even know if there is a heaven to go to.. You were born into Christianity. I was also born into Christianity, but have discovered reasonable doubt.
"It isn't a "simulation". This is Satan's world, the delusion God sent. Ignore it, go find your family and live happily." is a quote from you on a seperate thread in this video's comments. You seem pretty confident in your knowledge of god, and his intentions. I admit I have jumped to conclusions based on your other thread, and it was insensitive and lazy to assume to know the meaning of "Elon is not being honest."
What did you mean when you said Elon was not being honest in his answer?
You can listen to this several times and still learn something new each time! Brilliant content - FOR FREE, TOO!
PLEASE MAKE THESE LONGER!!
"What's outside the simulation? "
Pretty good question indeed.
It's something Isaac Asimov would have written
@@Skip2MeLou1 even the joe rogan episode
Jaimie Knox there is a book called the last question by Asimov
Stacked simulations.
@@chibula I think this question is maybe more important than Isaac one, I mean If there is no entropy outside the simulation, clearly is not the last question.
Elon question is not the last one neither, because, maybe there is another universe in which our simulation is running, but there is more simulations? which one was the first one? is a cycle? it has a end or a beginning?. Still, Elon's question approaches this concept more
"What's outside the simulation ?" WOW super question!
I love it when someone puts Elon on the spot with a question like that. You can see the cogs turning ... and then he rarely disappoints.
That’s equivalent to asking what’s in the other dimensions. It’s a fair question which I think wouldn’t be able to be answered by AI for quite a while
@@joseph1541 Assuming for a moment that hardware processing power wouldn't be a bottleneck, a true AGI would be able to self-improve exponentially and therefore its intelligence would be effectively infinite. Now, whether its knowledge is effectively infinite is a whole other question that's dependent on the data it has access to. But if it's supplied sufficient relevant data, it should be able to answer any question. Of course, this is all hypothetical science fiction currently, as we don't really know yet if true AGI is actually possible.
A simulation is an attempt to replicate the universe. The universe can't be a simulation you fools. By definition.
Can it be more than you ever imagine? Well, you bet your ass it can. But that doesn't mean any of it is fake, when, obviously, it's the realest thing you can perceive at this time of your existence
Yes, it was. I got chills. This was a great interview.
Amazing podcast, even better ending! Loved every second
Your last question really had Elon thinking hard.
Very well done on this interview. 👍
why can't they just talk about the facts: why are they so emotional about everything?
cuz this shits epic
They are romantics
Because they care
i'm so autistic that i thought this was a serious comment lol
Real LOL 👍
"What's outside of the simulation?"
Windows error sound.
it's called chord.wav, ua-cam.com/video/_YcgHvp6xIo/v-deo.html
That last line was so epic. Such a good soundbite
Looking forward to the 4th interview! ☺Thanks, Lex & Elon!
Emotions have left the chat.
Emotions are counterproductive to evolution haha
@@rusitoexplorador they wouldn't have evolved in the first place of that were true
Then we would have thrown babies. What am I saying we are already killing babies. Yes we devolved.
Theres way too many emotions in the 21st century Western world as it is, hence the creation of terms such as "safe space" and "triggering". Therefore, it is a welcome relief to observe over 30 minutes of erudite stolidity.
25:00
Joe Rogan: Let's just jump right into it
Lex Friedman: 30 minutes of disclaimer 😂
That's how you know he's an academic
🤨 2.5 minutes.
serious bro whats up with this weak intro.. lets get into it already he still talkin about stuff we already been knowing since the JRE podcast. alrighty then its about to start... oh wait its not hes still talking to himself where is ellon ???
@merimies If by "dumb" you mean people who don't take themselves too seriously and know when to let go, then I agree. Pretentious cunts need not apply.
A P : "A. P.!!!!!........ I thought i told you to get off YT and back to bed mister. I'll tell your mother!
@merimies Joe Rogan is a comedian, I don't know what you expect of him.
"what's outside the simulation" damn that gave me goosebumps for some reason being his answer.
Disclosure is a must. Great work Lex
Finally this is the interview that I've been waiting for. Two of the people I most admire in self-driving technology.
Aliens observing Earth - - “ that may be a civilization worth saving, send down an Elon “.
This is my favorite thought ever.
Humans observing Aliens, Humans operation Elon to invade Mars.
Damn! You figured it the fuck out!
The intro reminds me of the prompts I give to gpt-3 for it to understand what it has to do lol.
this whole interview sounds like a cyborg turing testing another cyborg
Clone this guy. We need full redundancy.
Clone this guy. We need full redundancy.
Clone this guy. We need full redundancy.
Clone these guys. We need full redundancy.
Clone this guy. We need full redundancy.
Clone this guy. We need full redundancy.
25:54 Elon "It is pretty crazy letting people drive a two-ton death machine manually"
He's right. The amount of drunks, druggies, retards, idiots, imbeciles and women operating this machinery, is unbelievable. Drivers licence should have much more strict conditions.
@@after_midnight9592 You want to ban women from driving?
Raed Frazier
Yes
@Stehv Burgueno that's odd. My parents pay more for me and my bro. Might wanna check that
@@after_midnight9592I Wasn't going to like the comment because it didn't had to be said, it's so obvious.
But then i read women and i had to like it :D
the matter-of-fact, dry, straight-to-the-point tone is hilarious and awesome:)
You're a great interviewer. Awesome interview!!!
I like the style of the video , no music or graphics .
So... podcast?
@@stormwaker video/podcast
Tay international
Or tone difference in their voices
Or any sign of life
its a kind of interview which will be played in the future if things worked out smoothly or not
Anyone else just love watching lex ask a great question and then Elon almost reading notes in his mind to answer it?
The pitch that you're buying a appreciating asset versus almost all other vehicles that depreciate is incredible.
Brilliant indeed
@Do One What do you mean by "they are done"? Nothing can be replaced to have them running again?
Anyway, I was complimenting the sales pitch.
Алексей! Спасибо вам огромное за это интервью. Обнимаю!
Elon :
"What's outside the simulation ?"
God : "What an epic 4th wall break."
Cool. Now time to do another reset. I wonder what the next batch asks! 😂
"God starts sweating"
1. Maya... [Reset]
2. Atlantis... [Reset]
3. Now Elon asked wrong question....
3.... 2 .... 1.... ... [Reset]
I just imagine God sitting in his heavenly throne, one foot resting on the opposite leg's knee. Chin in his palm, looking bored. Then Elon says that and God doesn't move for a second, then just gives a 🤨 "hmm" and lightly taps the glass dome behind which he sits, more in idle thought than for any structural testing purpose.
On the other side of the dome, the tapping causes an enormous tsunami to strike the coast of Japan, killing 14.
What if the notion of outside is only pertinent to the simulation?
Also, why do people insist on placing human attributes upon the divine? Isn't that rather arrogant?
Fascinating how Elon's brilliance is so focused while concurrently immensely flexible. When he's thinking, you can practically see his mind and imagination working together to weight out and explore different outcomes. Inspiring watching how passionate and immersed he is in the journey itself, not just arriving the destinations. Thank you, Lex!
Always fun when the interviewer doesn't rush Elon and lets him think before he talks.
Elon is in his element here... right at home
Well said
Its like elon said before in the interview: the better the AI is, the more you can engage the autopilot. with the automatic lane change there will be a huge increase in time spent with autopilot engaged. therefore you get a lot of more data from these critical moments, thereby vastly improving the learning curve of the AI. this in turn alows you to engage autopilot even in more tricky situations and creating even more useful data. the better the AI, the more you can use it and the more you use it, the better the data -> better AI.
you're talking about musk as if it's human...don't let it fool you....lol
Love that ending dammit!!
Great interview! Love the “Two ton death machine”
Elon "your research in last 3 years is moot" Musk
Exactly that's why he put that caveat at the start. Musk just said it not even an issue. Surprised musk didnt just say why invade a person's space
You can detect a different level of intelligence here. This MIT kid has a great brain for the workhorse technical stuff he did with his team. Elon, however, has that along with unrivaled common sense and practicality. A powerful combination to say the least.
I actually think the Lex's work on driver/passenger monitoring could be very assuring when teslas are in a robo taxi mode. Instead of it detecting mobile phone use, guitar playing and water drinking it could be detecting and reporting vomiting, littering and vandalism to the owner and Tesla.
@@missionpupa How did you come to the conclusion that it was the interviewer's intent to antagonize?
@DAG as if you have any clue what you are talking / critiquing about
I love the way Elon thinks. Things are just so obvious and automatic to him but they're revolutionary to the rest of us. His ability to see the future crystal clearly shows he's a true visionary.
That was too short! More please! That was very insightful
The difference of comfort from 1st appearance to round 4 is nearly opposite ends of the spectrum. It's neat to see these two have conversations and how they evolve over time each appearance.
Elon finally found someone with the same level of emotion as him.
He shows tons of emotion often. This was pure tech talk robotic bliss.
looool
Say what you may, Elon Musk is a genius! And Lex asked very probing and very informed questions. This interview makes me want to buy Tesla stock right now!!
Feralz right but are those two things that related? The energy crisis from dwindling fossil fuels is millions of times more a threat than traffic fatalities.
@@robertblake1228 i used to think like that but elon is 100% right in the fact that in the future people will say we were crazy for driving cars , i actually think about that sometimes when im driving fast on the highway or anywhere else, just a tiny shift of my hands of 10 degree can make me crash and possibly kill me or others around me.
a TRUE genius! Mr Musk... only come once a millennium, you are sooo lucky to have sat across and interviewed him!
Whoa the gate is quite aggressive on your sound! For a second there I thought my sound was gone hahah
absolutely amazing, came here because of Joe Rogan, stayed because of Lex Fridman - SUBSCRIBED.
omg! me 2! lol
Me 3. This dudes the fuggin trooth
Lex is just a peanut compared to Elon
@@tamie341 But a coconut compared to Joe Rogan 😏
@@tamie341 my god! Just dont go on comparing everyone to elon and say the're nothing! Elon NATURALLY had a reading habit and had a computer since his childhood. Hkw many people have that NATURALLY? The thing is you're fucking jealous of Lex Fridman, so degrading him by comparing to elon.
Get some better job to do.
First time watching a Robot interviewing an Alien !
Aj Sky 😂😂😂
🤣
GREAT!!! I like you both and have to say that was an amazing podcast ...
Great Podcast!! Internet need more podcast!
It's like hearing two Vulcan's speak in real life.
31:30 "there may be ways to test if it's a simulation, but you can imagine that once an entity in the simulation found a way to detect the simulation, it can do something that corrects for that error"
31:52 "so when someone creates an AGI system and you get to ask her one question, what would that question be?"
32:16 "what's outside the simulation?"
32:20 Simulation: "time to end this podcast"
makes sense
But... Elon's answer was simulated. Assuming a simulation of course.
most underrated comment
Haha. Spot on
The time Elon took to answer that question is equaivalent to running this over the top tier hardware AI system and getting the results
This is some of my favorite content on UA-cam. Thank you, Lex!!!
That final Q&A 🔥
Elon Musk: What's outside the simulation?
AI: Yes
42
AI: There is yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer.
This simulation recurs infinitely. It's turtles all the way down.
What's outside the simulation? Itself -- yet another instance of this simulation: the universe that generates intelligences that reverse-engineer their own simulation & implement a new instance of the simulation from within the simulation itself. Each instance of this simulation is encapsulated by an identical simulation; each instance of this simulation encapsulates a new identical instance of the simulation. The eternal, everlasting story of life in this simulation persists in infinite replica through recursion.
A friendly suggestion if I may,
Pull the camera back just a little, bring it up slightly to drop your eye level, and leave some head room (space between the top of your head and the frame of the video)
May be useful for reducing the sense of being imposing and general claustrophobic vibe.
Just a suggestion based on general observation. You might have technical constraints I'm not aware of or what not, and I'm not trying to tell you how to run your show. Just minor tweaks that may yield improvements.
Cheers.
I agree
Agree and an occasional 2 shot of the people involved in the Interview
Amazing to watch 2 geniuses communicating (and the interviewee's ocular movement).
What a wonderful conversation.. 32:45
32:04 scary eye movement. Is he already using neuralink?
I’ve always noticed him doing this. You can see the gears turning in his mind. It gives me some confidence that he’s not a robot because surely a robot would not do that. An alien however... I can’t be so sure. 🤔
definitely. confirmed using neuralink.
It's the SKINET!!!
Trolls , go hang with the Bergins . He was thinking .... if it we're AI he probably wouldn't move them at all or very slowly and robotic .I'd say he was puzzling his thoughts together . Get perspective ! . It's good to have an open mind but to open and your brain will fall on the sidewalk .
hyzer spawn you must be fun at parties
@25:00
Elon: Remember we have to make these humans think we're of their kind...
Lex: Right, I'll follow your lead...
Both: (Robot Laughing) haha
Exactly what I thought XD
Ha... Ha... Ha... 🤖
Nice to see Elon get interviewed by someone with the ability to challenge him with real probing questions. It's interesting to Elon struggle with his desire to speak frankly to a fellow engineer against his obligation to speak as the CEO of Tesla.
I feel like After listening to many other Elons interview I have noticed that he will have the answer prepared but always respond like he is struggling.
where is the probing question? everything seems open end and general.
Elons expression as he is thinking of an answer to lex's last question reminds me of doctor strange going through all the different realities and considering all the outcomes.
☝️
same XD
Top siGma
So long time waiting for this face to face interview!!! ..... LEX GOOD JOB!!!!!!
JRE send me here.
Really great questions and overall podcast. Looking forward to the second Elon Musk interview.
Damn that felt like a bombshell ending. What an insightful interview
I dont know why.. but I really am okay with Elon taking my data and using it. I feel the complete opposit about Mark Zoidberg
Zachary Schiess trust
Elon actually uses it for the good of humanity while the Zucc just uses it for cheap profit.
@@CockatooDude even if he a hidden vilian that wanna build an ai that will destroy us all iam okay with it, the guy is legendary
@@mike_o7874 for real if I had to choose someone to end it all....I would choose Elon over Mark Suckerberg. Something tells me he would actually take care of us while we die or give us a honorable death, Mark on the other hand would probably find the cheapest of all and make it as sufferable as possible.
@@mike_o7874 You being ok if Elon turned out to be evil all along, simply because you admire him, is pretty much how the most evil dictators in history were allowed to thrive. One of the best quotes I've heard came from the anime villain, Aizen Sousuke: "Admiration is the emotion furthest from comprehenshion."