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Narrated D&D Story: How A Legendary Paladin Fell From Grace Down The Path Of Madness
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2020
- Did Hadar go crazy because of age?
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Did Hadar go crazy because of age according to you?
No he just fell down the rabbit hole of fear
I agree, paranoia will turn anyone mad. Sure, getting older may have weakened his defenses, but it was the fear that did it
Pretty sure it was the horn to be honest. I mean leaving a magical dragon horn in your head raises a couple of flags, sure it looks cool but lets be honest, its not that safe and its less than hygienic. I mean you've seen or read Harry Potter right. Maybe he accidentally turned the horn into his item familiar or bonded with it and because of who it was originally part of it slowly started to turn him mad.
He is a warning to us. We all die. We should not try to be eturnal or leave a legacy. Let the people write the story.
I think it was his age, fear for his people, and the horn of Nalahar, which may or maynot have been possessed by the lingering spirit of Nalahar, who knows.
"The Horn" Was said by Hadar himself, at least the part of him that knew what needed done.
Or perhaps a god who saw the future Hadar's machine would bring? They chose the squire as their own champion. A paladin to stand for the balance they preserve.
I was going to say Bahamut sent it to stop his Champion from crossing a line he couldn’t come back from.
If Hadar had committed that atrocity he may never be allowed into mount Celestia or the platinum dragons halls and even if he was permitted the guilt would wrack his mind for eternity.
Bahamut could only end his suffering before it became too great
I had the same impression. Even though he had gone mad, some of him was still in there and had to protect his people and serve the greater good.
>the horn had penetrated his brain and remained stuck inside, unable to be removed without killing him.
wait, that sounds familiar... _"the man who sold the world" starts playing..._
Sorry, what are you referencing exactly? I'm curious :)
@@PsaroAlex A certain sneaky Mercenary with a love of cardboard boxes and an old oil rig full of fanatically loyal (and possibly brainwashed) followers fighting against an ugly guy with a gigant robot trying to wipe out the english language.
Friend Computer WAIT THAT WAS THE PLOT OF PHANTOM PAIN?!
@@ivanivan744the first half of it at least.
My first thought was Phineas Gage, although Gage's personality switch was allegedly much faster.
This is my favorite DND channel now, especially with the story of a black dragon turned good
Yeah, Onyxia is the best story ever.
Whether it was written or roleplayed, kudos to those who made this story! It ends perfectly set for the next RPG in that world, and perfectly set to create another character Legend(s). Makes me want to use that setting!
Levi, my DM who wrote this, actually used this character for our last campaign. It was a first campaign for a lot of our group. It wasn't in the same time period though, or even the same timeline, as the what happened to Hadar was very, very different. It was much, much later, with a different story to tell, but we did meet Hadar at some point in our campaign, and he did play an important role.
This is essentially a setting backstory. Like all the stuff about The Maker and Andraste in Dragon Age.
Ayy, It's Levi again. My DM. Glad to see his stories gaining traction. For those that don't know, this is the same person that wrote Chu.
So many questions...
What characters were PCs in the story?
Was there a DMNPC as opposed to an NPC in the story?
What were the king's dragon powers?
Was it a mountain or mountain range?
How big were the Kingdoms?
How close were the Kingdoms to each other?
Was technology prevalent (building a machine)?
How did the one fight last 5 days?
How was the horn so easily pushed into the Hadar's skull?
@@craigtucker1290 this is actually the backstory of a character that is supposed to show up much later as a possible good guy or bad guy. He wasn't actually supposed to die, Hadar was supposed to be banished from this plane of existence and return some time later. It was supposed to be kind of a backstory that players would uncover as signs of the golden King returning started showing up. And they would have to decide what to do with Hadar and track him down at the same time.
That was a fantastic story, and sounds like it was amazing campaign.
As to the question of what made him go insane, my suspicion is that was the corrupting influence of a demigod dragons horn imbedded in his brain, as well as the pain of his wounds suffered over a very long life that made him go mad. So old age in a sense, but not necessarily from normal mental decline, or dementia.
That was pretty sad that Nalahar eventually got what he wanted to have happen, but the only consolation was that The Red wasn't there to see it in person.
Hadar... Isn't he the person who created those warlock spells?
Hunger of Hadar?
Arms of Hadar?
Two different fellows, both interesting~.
Isn't Hadar an Elder Evil
If I'm not mistaken, in the forgotten realms lore Hadar in a freaking star-like elder evil. He's a patron for some warlocks
Hadar, the Dark Hunger. A Eldritch Tentacle monster possessing a distant star.
Just a coincidence, many people have the same name
Oh I’ve become a villain many many times, nothing a good quickload won’t fix.
Man, that one hurts. Freaking lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
Speaking of dragons who remembers Oxnyia
I REMEMBER ONYXIA!!!
Great story
rip oxnyia
lol bots she could still be alive smiting all who serve the machinations of evil.
@@aquapb893 I like to believe so
This was a treat, I take it all the kings were players right? Would make the most sense, wonder if there are any good stories of paladins turning into deathknights and seeking either redemption or just trying to make the most of their predicament, as deathknights arent inherently evil per say, just fallen from the grace of their God and made into one either as punishment, or by some other means have become one.
@Natasel perhaps, circumstance also plays a factor in the severity of sin...
"Thou shalt not kill" for a biblical commandment it sure seems to have a fair number of situations where its conceivably justifiable (self defense, defense of home and country, take out an aggressor who seeks to oppress other people, etc...)
So, I think it depends on a number of factors when considering the severity of a punishment for sin.
@Natasel and your ignorance is equally your sin.
Fallen from grace? We are aware of greater blessings and power to do what must be done.
@@ArantyrDarkhand no doubt about that, just making note that a deathknight is one who's fallen out of their chosen deities perception of what is/isn't permissible.
How could they have missed Haydar the Hated? It’s right there!
Addendum- Haydar the Heartbroken might be better.
...... because everyone loved him until the day he died?
Lol
A few small things were changed but it's still great, it was supposed to leave off with the idea that he could always come back and no one knows when or where or whether he would be good or evil. But still, I always loved watching my stories come to life
You sound like an amazing DM.
edit: I've done a sort of greek tragedy campaign like that ( a couple of times), but you definitely seem to have done a much better job, I think that story would also set up a new campaign really well. The story definitely inspired some thoughts on ways to improve my next campaign,.
@@coriolass thank you very much, I'd like to think I'm a great DM.
But I try not to ever judge myself on how good I am at something lol
@@levikarkiainen331 A sound way of thinking, I don't really think about how good I am either, I just try and make sure the table is enjoying the game.
@@coriolass indeed, the goal is to make sure people are having fun. Little else.
RIP the player behind Hadar😔
Originally this was the setup for the campaign, the ending was suppose to be a little more open ended, instead of dying, he ended up getting banished. It was left open ended so he could return in another campaign and no one would know whether he was the good guy or bad guy, to quote the actual text I wrote.
"Even now hundreds of years later, the kingdoms are torn apart, near violently on whether it was Hadar, the golden king, or Hadar the mad. They wouldn’t know, not in their lifetime. If, or maybe when the Golden King returns, what will his fracture mind command of him?
Will he save the world…. or damn it?"
Not knowing this story, I thought it was going to go a lich route, that what he was constructing was a phylactery.
Same I thought of Dracolitch
I had the opposite happen, a lawful evil Pale Master turned mentor to new groups of adventurers that would arise. This was using the 3.5 rules and since we were still kids in high school we didn't exactly have enough money to get the different books. So we ended up launching NWN 2 and ripping the classes and races straight from there, with some homebrew alterations that we though made sense. One thing that is important to mention is that we had a group rule that if your character survived a session you could bring them back in the new one. Being kids we had no idea what pacing was or how to really tell an engaging story so most of the sessions at the time turned into a bunch of murderhoboing, so character deaths were pretty common as well. Now my character Svardrin the Deathless started as a human sorcerer and eventually took up the mantle of a Pale Master to further his goal of being a Lich, not the best character concept I will admit, but I was 15 at the time. I don't remember much of the murderhobo sessions, but those are just how he got as strong as he was. Through countless slaughters and an army of undead, he became the first true villain of our campaign. A group of heroes gathered, a cleric, paladin, ranger, and a sorcerer after fighting their way through hordes of undead they finally made it to the source of evil and corruption Svardrin. He twisted their minds, turning friend into foe, forcing them to fight each other, all the while his undead minions clawed at those who came near. The sorcerer drops first after being charmed and forced to fight the paladin, then the cleric who was fighting the ranger. However, the ranger was badly injured and wasn't sure how much longer he would be able to fight. In a moment of desperation called out to his god, Pelor, for aid...he succeeds...Svardrin is wrapped in a holy light as shadows pour forth from his eyes and mouth dissipating in the radiance. With his unholy power stripped from him he began to rapidly age, becoming a feeble old man who knew a bit of magic. Not wanting to kill the old man the paladin and ranger took him back to the king for sentencing. The king being merciful sentenced Svardrin to live on the outskirts of the city and to never cast a spell again, to ensure he would not a ring was bound to him that would explode with arcane energy instantly killing him and dealing a lot of damage to anything within 10 feet of him. Fast forward seven years later, at this point I had reprised my old character and started working with the DM on what happens next, he has become something of a wise man for the city and even began training new adventurers on how to fight and survive in the wilderness. The latest group of adventurers reminded him of the group that bested him, young, brash, and full of life. They would ask him about caves and places to go adventuring. One day they said they found a cave that sounded like it was full of the undead and smelled awful. They showed him where it was on a map and his heart froze, it was one of his old summoning pits. He told them never to go there again, that it was too dangerous. That night they left without telling Svardrin, intent on clearing out the cave. Svardrin awoke to find his charges gone, fearing the worst he made his way as fast as he could to the cave. Inside he heard screams and the sounds of fighting, the young adventurers were getting overwhelmed. He sneaked through the cave as best he could and eventually found them. He yelled for them to run and together they made it back to the entrance, the horde was still following them. He stopped and turned his back to the young adventurers, "Don't stop and never look back!" He said with all of the strength his withered body could muster. Two of the adventurers tried to go back, but were stopped by the others. Now with his charges safely out of harms way Svardrin cast his final spell. An explosion was heard from inside, followed by the sound of collapsing rocks. The cave was now sealed and the undead could not get out, the adventurers knowing that they were the reason for their mentor's death swore they would get stronger and one day come back to finish the job. They eventually found out that he was the one that turned the cave into a spawning pool for the undead and that they were several more like it. Thus a side quest became destroying the spawning pools where they were found. By the end of the campaign all of the spawning pools were destroyed and the adventurers had defeated the God that twisted Svardrin's mind and turned him to a path of evil, but that is a story for another time.
You either die a hero , or live long enough to become the villan indeed
I had played a warlock of the Great Old Ones who started off the campaign as a sort of scared Chihuahua personality. A former farmer who begged for anything from up above to help him when his small town was struck by a plague. That’s how he met his patron, and how the homebrew patron fed him his obsession for knowledge ever so slowly. He started a finicky and somewhat shy doctor in the party, but everyone else was a war-hardened solider, an edgy rogue, or a gun-for-hire.
Essentially, with his slow and steady madness being ensued by the patron that kept feeding him knowledge, watching the party kill without remorse or compensation for consequence only drove him down the steep end faster.
Long story short, my warlock earned a couple of really good homebrew abilities and spells that nobody else knew about. My party was getting a little “murder hobo” and eventually my DM PM’ed me to tell me that my character will most likely snap soon. With that, I knew what my character arc was going to be.
the session after that, my character was not with the others the morning That they woke up at an inn. They didn’t seem to pay too too much mind to it and went about their day. But with some sneaking and illusion spells, I lured them to an abandoned cathedral and when they entered, the doors shut behind them, and at the end of the isle was my now completely insane PC, holding a flamethrower and approaching the others (this was a dieselpunk setting so firearms and flamethrowers existed)
Finally, after surprising the party with a whole-ass flamethrower, my character proceeds to monologue about corruption and how he couldn’t let his parties’ bloodlust turn anyone else into a “killing zombie.” Their reactions when the DM asked them to roll initiative was priceless.
Ultimately, in the 1v3 fight, my PC lost even with his patron to aid him, killing one if the other players. For my first DnD game ever, this was really wack, but so epically cinematic. It’s a moment my friends and will never forget.
Yes yes die a hero or live long anough to see yourself become a villain. BUT wouldn’t it be very neat if Hadar Turned into a Death knight? A death knight with A Nalahar draco lich? How sinisterly epic indeed YIRBEL LIVES!
Y'know, that would've been fucking epic haha
Well, Nalahar was disappointing, all he did with stick a horn in Hadar's brain. I was hoping for more manipulation, but Hadar just succumbed to his old wounds.
But he did manipulate Hadar
@@MsKeylas Not enough, there should of been a huge plot twist that made Hadar question everything. Instead Nalahar fights a losing battle to create an inconvenient future for Hadar and friends... at the cost of everything.
I don't consider that a win for the bad guy.
@@Elessar0wind Well Nalahar never even expected to be discovered. He just had to wing it at that point, and with no more henchmen he just had to be a dragon for the tail end of his life.
@@NikukaiFightOn Yea, I just would of played this differently, just a matter of preference.
the skyrim reference is a great touch
Even though these videos probably don't take too much time to make, seeing as it is simply you reading a story with cool animated background art, I still love them, and you deserve all the love and support you get, because all of the stories you read are amazing in one way or another, and the way you read them is always pitch perfect.
Hail Hadar a warning to us all.
Damn that’s an amazing story, wish I played in the DMs group that played this story.
I started out as a villain,but with his immortality he fond pleasure in the simple things in life,eventually solving world hunger and bring world peace,he was straight unkillable through a bunch of technicality's and nice use of ability's and enchantments. The only way I could die is if I chose to die. When you live so long as a villain that you become the greatest hero it warms your heart.
Ive had a few characters end up as a villain. Some on purpose, some by accident. Some because they ended up on reverse "bizzaro" planes/worlds
I became the big bad in a Legend of Zelda campaign because I was the only one who didn't metagame knowing Gannon was evil. Long story short I got cursed and became a mix of Wizrobe and Iron Knuckle. I destroyed the land in pursuit of the party who messed around instead of preparing for the inevitable PvP. One magic knight single-handedly slew an entire party of 5 players and their mini-boss level mounts. In the end even Gannon couldn't stop the evil he had made. GG
My character, Wilhelm Galbraith, became Wilhelm the Deceiver after being forced to join a death cult. The party was investigating the cult, and followed 2 member through a portal in the barn. We were surrounded by cultists in a crypt. Their undead master arose from his tomb (we were level 3) and demanded we swear loyalty. For the other members of the party, this meant nothing. But for my cleric, this changed everything. I became a servant of Vecna and gained access to the death domain. My alignment switched to evil later on as I began plotting to better serve my god. In the end, we were TPKed by my half demon child's friends when the DM got bored. My character's goal was to bring back the old Illuskan empire (homebrew setting) with armies of undeath. My character popped up in the DMs next campaign, having done exactly as I planned. I was so proud...
This gives me ideas for a future campaign
The current campaign I'm in, kor paladin of tiamet,her champion the story at the moment we are trapped in a saw like dungeon where I just killed a animated statue of bahamut with a high damage roll
Hadar? Paarthunax? Hadvar?! Yeah, I'm not surprised Hadvar would go insane, considering everything that happened at Helgen.
Not my character (Andreas), but his sister(Aranea). They were from a family of aasimar paladins, and she was the most talented, wise, and courageous of them all. The family were minor lords and regularly patrolled their lands to search out, oust, and destroy all signs of evil. They were attacked by marauders, who had magic items. One of these was a +2 adamantine bastard sword (yes, one of *those* tricky little bastards).
Aranea was the one who carried that home. It was put in the Vault for later study and possibly destruction. Andreas noticed something changed about his sister, though. She grew more brutal and vicious by the day, but because he saw the issues, and talked to her about them, she never treated him any different than before.
Well, one day the inevitable happened and she snapped. Killed everyone in the family but Andreas. He wrapped up the demon-possessed adamantine bastard sword, his own bastard sword, and fled in his armor on horseback.
Now Aranea seeks him and the sword. The sword for obvious antipaladin reasons, him because she's fucking insane and wants to raise a new generation through him (blegh).
And now, the demon is toying with _his_ mind.
This is like something out of a really fucked up anime and/or hentai. Fucking incredible. I love it, show me more
@@SirJesusFreak Well, thing is, he has a circlet of greater wisdom. She didn't. He can better fend off the mental probes and temptations than she did. But Aranea (Lv. 10) is stronger than he is (Lv. 6). He can't use the possessed Bastard's Sting lest he get a negative level, and he hasn't found a Sun Blade or a Holy Avenger to combat her on more even terms. So he is paranoid and on the run.
I thought maybe it was the Platinum Dragon who whispered “the horn”.
Y'all are the freaking best. I've never played. And am a lil intimidated by the math and such. I have nothing to use to play. But I'd love to learn!
There's hella online games you can join, and the handbook and rules are mostly available for free. The math is less complicated than learning the systems for things, and in the end it's not hard.
@@bravenponder7438 I'll have to start reading up. Im afraid of pulling down others experience cause they'd have to go a lil slower for me cause I'm inexperienced
@@leoudell4267 I've never played either due to constant fluctuations in my schedule but as I understand it generally speaking several veteran players and DM's tend to really enjoy teaching new players the ropes and helping them learn and have fun with the game.
Don't be shy, maybe look for games that encourage new players to join.
Either way I hope you have fun.
Do NOT let the fact that you've never played stop you from playing. Only way to learn is to do it. Like Giggle said, a LOT of veteran players and DMs like to give new players a chance. And there's a lot of short vids on youtube that talk about what's expected of a player. The game itself isn't that complicated -- I've been playing since I was a teen and I understood enough back then to enjoy it and not annoy other players.
Little bit of advice: don't worry about being new. I've been playing for years and honestly I enjoy having new players at the table. There are apps you can get on your phone to help with the math. The only thing that ever bothered me was when after 6 months we had a new player that still didn't know which dice to roll for initiative. Then again, the only reason they were there was to sit next to their significant other, they didn't care about the game.
Hadar the paladin could cast hunger of Hadar
I love characters like this
I would like to belive that "The Horn" was said by Hadar i. A moment of clarity, wishibg to be ended before he truly did something he could never firgive himself for.
I think that "the horn" was said by bahamut because even he realised the gold dragon was crazy. This story is so so sad.
So um, was this a party of adventurers? Lore for the story world? Or was he an NPC? I'm a bit unsure.
I think the machine he was build was a Soulmonger, or at least a variant of one.
Hadar whispered in the kids head
Y'know, if you think about it. Nahalar never wanted to destroy the world, he just wanted to play his sick little game. So in that spirit and realising the greater evil, might've been the dragon that communicated to the squire to end it.
OOF that's rough.
Never played dnd and i doubt i will since i dont knw anyone who plays it but these are always fun to listen to i guess
Hmmm... Affliction: Irrational.
So, applying the Paarthurnax quote in reverse, "Which is worse, to be born evil, or to have overcome your good nature with great effort?" Suddenly the "Fallen Angel" archetype seems a lot more dangerous. And a lot less pitiable.
Happened to my first D&D character,from Barbarian to Paladin back down to Cavalier.
This reminds me of what happened to the hero in Diablo 1 and 2.
Hadar almost certainly went mad due to brain damage from the horn. He likely had a lucid moment during the final struggle and used Telepathy, Message, or a similar spell to tell the squire, the only person there with free hands, to finish him while he was still lucid.
damn this was one hell of a story
I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people. -Arthas
I don't think it was age because dragons get more powerful as they grow older.
Skyrim anyone?! The red dragon is alduin and he strait up referenced a quote from paarthunax, there’s even a Harkon one eye and a reference to the kings of Skyrim’s lands, the dragons on a mountain! Coincidence? Not at all, it’s the flipping “throat of the world” not to mention the peace treaty to kill the dragons. AAAND hadar is also talos. I close this dm he based it strongly off off Skyrim but he didn’t spoil the ending and he changed it up so anyone who did know it wouldn’t know what to do. Well. Played.
I think it was probably Diablo whispering in his head.
This Evil Dragon was Awesome
Nalahar"I will die but never mind
But still
I am going to fuck your Brain "
A villain is just a broken hero
All swashbuckler party with bonus xp given for flair
One more to the list: Hadar the Many-Named
If it was the red dragon making the kingdoms against each other, why did they restart after his as well as Hadar's death?
I know this is old but I would say Nalahar kept the kingdoms divided whule Hadar kept them united. With Hadar gone, no one kept them united and maybe the anger from grief caused them to turn on each other
My character has recently become a lich so yeah definitely a villain at some point
Feels like a combination of Diablo's Soulstone and Crenshinibon.
oh boy
"[...] the Golden King quickly built a temple to Bahamut and began training Paladins, choosing mostly the orphans of the war to forge into weapons of justice against evil."
The way this is phrased is just..... ew.
is he talking about the parthanax from Skyrim?
So the kings of 5 cities couldn't get a wish spell cast?
I have a story about my first D&D character who in the 2nd campaign of the story became evil but it’s way too long to type. Is there somewhere that people posts these stories? I would like to share the story of Azazel Adire
I had oracle in pathfinder which picked plagued as his curse. For rp reasons my character was trying to find a way to cure his curse and DM went along and made my curse much more potent. Instead of being more prone to sickness and disease I would each day roll a dice to see will my character get diseased for that day and took 1d4 (later 1d6) dmg wach time I used healing spell on someone. Year and a half later party was fighting my oracle, now a lich. 😂
Hey everyone how are you doing today yo I got first!
Nice
i actually came 1st. i just went to do other crap
@@lolbots686 I got first comment is what I am saying
@@UndeadSteampunk oh ok. but i was here 1st
Yes pathrunax the dove that told the dovaken of the kel
Platinum Dragon told the squire what to do to end the life of thier beloved champion.
hadar did not go crazy. it is the logical conclusion of true lawful good. all extreme ideals lead to annihalation
Lawful good and what a lawful good paladin represent are an extreme ideal as well. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say any alignments that deviated from the particular moral perception of what is lawful good.
Where do I post stories?
Villan or hero? 2 choice in billions of stories in books and movies/video games...etc?
Aren't there spells named after hadar? Something to do with tentacles.
This is such great lore.
Ikr
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How legendary he was? Did he paid the DM to be legendary? How much or how? Those are the real questions and the story that they can't share... The channel would be shut down lol
How would we go about telling you our stories? Cause I have a hilarious story about my first session, though it is short.
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I had this one game where I started off as a lovable half-ork, and then ended up going on a literal murder spree of my entire team because someone accidentally killed my fictional dog. 😂
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Entropy. Whatever, however, it is enevitable.
That wasn't madness at all, just a regular lawful good character who lived too long. Give few hundreds of years lifespan for any paladin, and they will attempt genocide in the name of good.
Why every time i watch your videos i get sub titles i dont use them. So why tf are they always turned on on this channel
Centuries of unity and diplomatic progress spoiled by a single death? Booooo! I want my money back!
Wow, one of the dumbest sayings I've ever heard followed by a very iffy one. Ok, here's hoping it gets better.
really??? nice backstory for a character ...but i dont buy it ..