@@MoneyHoneyBunny PC. Capcom has the game on sale quite often, so if you catch it, the unmodified game itself is like $8USD. The files to modify it are easily found online, but it's only for PC.
@@discmanthecdlord I literally never knew this was on PC lmao. After seeing this video i looked on steam and YUP! Got it for like 8 bucks cause of the sale, and I already got it on 360 and ps vita but, cant mod those!
With the later games, it felt like so many of the Capcom reps were from games and series already popular in the West. I loved playing characters like Jin back in MvC2. It's baffling that they never had a rep from Breath of Fire, Sengoku Basara, Power Stone, Monster Hunter, or Onimusha! I was amazed to see Amaterasu make the cut, honestly.
@@mythosinfinite6736While I agree with the lack of Megaman being a sin, I don't see why people downplay Zero and Tron being there as bad representation to the series, both are popular main characters of their respective games and veterans to the VS series as well, not a good comparison imo.
Zero's win quote about X not being here becomes even more assholish when he's dressed up as X, despite Zero not needing *any* help in that department. (Tron meanwhile is fine...outside of unfortunately being awful mechanically. Still not sure how you actually fix her though.)
It's funny how Megaman X was number one on Capcom's own poll for most wanted character in UMVC3, but when asked why X wasn't in the game Capcom lied to the fans and said that there wasn't enough interest in Megaman X EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NUMBER ONE IN THEIR OWN DAMN POLL.
Alright, some things to comment, since I made my own research on all these rejected characters: 1.- There was never a choice between Sentinel and Juggernaut. What happens is that Niitsuma said in an interview (from CAW Evolution) that his team couldn't use characters that Marvel wouldn't allow, and he used those two characters as examples of it. It was from before Sentinel was announced for the game, so it wasn't a matter of choosing between one and the other. 2.- It *was* Rouge from Power Stone who got rejected for age rating issues, not Rogue. It makes even more sense in context as Niitsuma only mentioned Capcom characters in that thread where he said the whole "we considered over 150 female characters". 3.- Monster Hunter was rejected via petition of the series' devs, same thing happened with Sengoku Basara characters. There was never a choice between a monster or Firebrand. 4.- Black Panther was called "too punchy" by Seth Killian in an interview, and another one claimed that he was "too similar" to Taskmaster of all characters. Also, Black Panther plays nothing like Wolverine in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. 5.- There is no evidence or sources about Franziska being rejected from Marvel 3, and it's possible that the reddit post is confusing it with her rejection from Tatsunoko vs Capcom, which on the other hand, is well-documented.
honestly if capcom were gonna make another versus game, i think sega would be an amazing choice to crossover with, not only are sega and capcom both known for their dominance in the arcade scene back in the day, theyre also known for their home console games and fighting games, both companies have tons of cool ip they could draw from too, mega man and sonic already had a crossover comic.
It seems we're due for CVS3 to become reality in a few years from now. Capcom & SNK have both expressed interest in working together again, and both companies have massively expanded FG casts over decades. We probably won't see anything till City of the Wolves is finished, however.
yeah i think crossing over with not-video game properties is dead and gone, but i do think other video game properties might be on the table. just depends on whose willing to play ball in the end my pie in the sky dream would be official capcom vs. sega (partially inspired by the one fangame), just because they've messed around with crossovers in other mediums already with sonic and mega man and segas overdue for more silly crossover nonsense too since its been forever and change since theyve made their two racing games. aka "before sega owned atlus" and the stupid fanfic part of my brain wants to see aegis hang out with x/zero
@@idiotsplay580 that's likely too. Project X Zone is still... Recent enough as far as game gemrations go and Sega has been shouting how they wanna use more of their IP again the past few years. They have been doing just that, even if sometimes outsourced. I've become a new fan of many in this period like Sakura Wars and Streets of Rage but a vs Capcom and the natural built in buzz around crossovers of companies with their history would be a huge bump for both when it comes to the gaming community at least. And honestly Capcom needs it too outside the like... 5 series they acknowledge exist for the past few years, even if most of my favorite Capcom series' are among that lineup.
@@MagillanicaLouM yeah like Infinite got a bunch of buzz from the mega man community bc of how prominently featured the X cast was in the game and the sick ultron sigma fusion, even with everything else negative swirling around it. it's a good way to throw a bone to your faithful fans that dont get games every year (or every five years, considering mega man has had one new game since 2011...). i think tonight's sega fighting game reveal is 1000 percent VF6, but there's such an empty hole of crazy crossover stuff nowadays outside of specifically mortal kombat; multiversus is on hiatus for lord knows how long, MvC is dead and capcom hasnt done any serious crossover stuff in a while, smash ultimate has been done and dusted for a while and likely wont see a sequel for another 5-10 years if we're lucky... if its not capcom with a dance partner i think someone else steps up eventually into the space in a year or two
Sega has it's own amazing fighting game division in AM2 (well, not specifically for fighting games, although they're notable for those alone) Could you imagine street fighter characters vs virtua fighter/fighting vipers characters? Maybe even the sonic the fighters cast? lol even the hornet from daytona usa could be added in
No Psylocke was disappointing and the fact that they said she wasnt popular enough when she was the only playable female in MSH... Tessa/Talbain/Donovan/Cyclops/Juggernaut etc are upsetting too.
See, they went through all of these developmental issues and trial and error, when they could've just added Amingo as the only fighter in the entire game, and it would've been an instant 11/10. Capcom really screwed the pooch on this one
I still think TvC had the more interesting Capcom roster because they picked characters nobody ever expected. Alex in particular was my favorite, they did him justice. Would love to have seen him in 3 as another grappler.
and saki as well she is the most interesting to me because she is a character from a visual novel (or dating simulator) of all things and it still works
Indeed, tvc had soki, saki, alex, viewtiful joe(which mvc3 did re add) and megaman volnut. MVC3 obscure character for capcom side was amy from okami, which is a good pick but that's the only one. Auther from G&G isn't really obscure.
TvC is unironically my favorite Versus roster. The character choices are so inspired. No way we'll ever get the Capcom-side of a versus roster like that again.
Hearing that Gill was going to be in the game made me have to pause the video and take a moment. I love Gill, and it would have been hype to see him in MvC3
@@SemiJuggaloNumber2man that sucks but I think that would have been a waste because Gill bribns main antagonist potential for the story and the game was too lazy
I always found it weird they said they couldn’t figure out how to make Loki work in gameplay with his power set. When the game was first announced, I figured we see him and he’d play something like Chizuru Kagura from The King of Fighters. There was a reason given for Black Panther not being in the game, which I always found weird, and that reason was he would’ve played too much like Taskmaster. The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon had been running around that time, and if they’d of molded Black Panther after that game he probably would’ve been more like Gambit with his vibranium daggers and a dash (or maybe a move) that has him running on all fours that could maybe go under some moves. I can only guess the too much like Taskmaster thing was counter moves, but it ain’t like Taskmaster is the only character with counters. I think you are right about the Rogue and Rouge thing. Capcom did want Rogue, but Marvel didn’t want her because she’s an X-Men character. Marvel didn’t even want Storm, Seth Killian had to fight to get her in. More so than the Disney thing, I thing the big difference between 3 and Infinite and getting characters in was Killian. It sounds like there were a lot of characters they had to fight to keep in 3. I want to say they were thinking about Rouge but didn’t go with her because they were worried about the games rating...which really doesn’t make any sense since she’s from a T rated video game. This was also a reason given as to why Nemesis wasn’t in the game originally, so Capcom seemingly had some odd thought on what the ESRB would and wouldn’t allow. I’m pretty sure the Fantastic Four thing is wrong. I remember an old interview from around after Ultimate came out where they talked about characters they wanted. Them being one character where you play as Mr. Fantastic, like how Captain Commando functions, is something I’m surprised they didn’t do given Captain Commando is a thing. All I remember Niitsuma saying is they wanted Mr. Fantastic and Human Torch, that they had some kind of problem with Human Torch, and that Marvel said no unless they were all there and could all be on a team together, (so it would have to be a 4 vs 4 game) and that Marvel suggested Super Skrull in their place. If they were thinking of War Machine, I wonder if they were going to completely revamp him. War Machine’s whole thing is guns. I could see Capcom taking the gameplay of PTX-40A in Tatsunoko vs Capcom, the gun switching, and just giving that to War Machine to separate him from Iron Man. I did always find it odd the Capcom side of Tatsunoko vs Capcom didn’t just get moved over. They’ve got seven characters with at least finished animations but they never reused them.
Tessa almost making in on UMVC3 but not making the cut still hurts me to this day. Literally the perfect rival for Dr Strange And damn, Capcom's Athena Asamiya(Ingrid) really can't catch a break, isn't it?
Tessa being only in three games, one of which wasn't even made by Capcom is depressing. She's one of my favorite Capcom characters and she would have been great. There was an MvC styled Tessa for Mugen that was super well made I loved.
Yeah, learning Tessa got cut hurts almost as much as hearing the various _Darkstalker_ and especially _Breath of Fire_ characters that got cut. And while I don't like Ingrid at all, I think she could have fit fine here with some revamp to her, like playing up the goddess angle maybe.
I'm glad you talked about the bad timing of marvel 3's release, however one other thing that gets overlooked is how it came out in 2011, a year before Avengers came out and put the MCU and the Avengers themselves on the map. The versus series would be in a very different place had they waited a year to release marvel 3. We also could've gotten all the Ultimate dlc on release plus the characters that were lost after the tsunami.
Hey man, thanks for making this video. I'm the guy who made that entire list as far back as 2019, kept updating it and reposting it until that final draft. On that Hand stage issue, I haven't really played the game in a long time so I did genuinely mean that there wasn't a Hand Hideout stage. My bad. But I'm really glad for this information to get out,, hope you have a blessed life man.
Carl (ATHF) in Marvel vs Capcom: "I don't need no instructions to know how to DHC." "Hey trench coat man, is that X factor for me or uh, you know what whatever. It don't matter. The three on three don't matter"
If it wasn’t for Disney’s Purchase on Marvel. Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 would still have DLC support and the long awaited PATCH that fixes those dastardly frame issues.
Likely not as Marvel wouldn’t have existed or gone to a private equity firm who’ve done none of it. This doesn’t fit the popular narrative yet is true, but Marvel didn’t decline under Disney as it was already dying with fire sells of their properties just to survive.
I'm hoping footage of the MVC3 beta gets shown soon. I would have loved to see all of those cut chaeacters build and see what we could have gotten. Hopefully one day this is shared!
Considering Ingrid is the goddess of the Capcom Universe, I feel we should see her more often in crossovers, yet no chance Perhaps they should think about working on that cancelled Capcom 3D fighter again, it could have the potential for fixing her reputation
"Psylocke is the only marvel character to be removed due to the lack of popularity" I wonder to whom they gauge this "popularity" from? I wanted to have a word with them. 😤
List of characters I wish didn’t get cut Venom, cyclops, human torch, Mr Fantastic, Blade, Juggernaut, Phylocke, Dr Octopus, Silversurfer, Power man, Multiple Man Ingrid, Sonson, Gene, Tessa, Megaman X, Franzisca, Chuck Greene, Gill, Nina, Fou Lou, Jon talbain
My ideal Fighting rooster would be something that basically just uses all of the cast from Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone Crossover RPG's. It's still the only way I've see Fighting Vipers, Soul Calibur, and Star Gladiator characters all together in one room.
Thankfully with the inclusions of mods for MvC3 some of these cut characters can be playable like Venom and other new ones like Nero. Hoping someone out there makes a playable Chuck Greene mod. Interesting video though MvC3 has gotta be one of my favorite fighting games of all time.
Yeah, I'd rather have the real deal or nothing at all than some asset flips that try to resemble a character by mish mashed moves from within the game! These mods looks like shit.
One interesting detail to add to the story: If I recall correctly, the major earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in 2011 massively (and very understandably!) disrupted Capcom’s original planned production schedule for DLC for vanilla MvC3, and suddenly having to improvise a plan B was supposedly a huge part of why they simply released UMvC3 as a standalone title with everything included.
I had my suspicions about some characters, but knowing that they considered Katt, Tessa and Arietta and then cut them hurt my soul. As much as in this year Evo when we were waiting for the MvC4 announcement and they showed the upcoming Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising.
When I knew that Katt was actually considered but ultimately rejected due to the series being dead my soul died a little since she's one of my favorite characters of all time and even when the game was announced I did a little fanart of her in the game 💔
That's how I felt when I heard both, Nina and Fou-Lu, had been cut due to being unpopular Also, this video mentioned she was based on her BOF1 appearence, when in reality, the developers had chosen her BOF2 incarnation, which is even more painful since I like her design
@@MasterZebulin Check it out for yourself. It's basically Capcom meets Magic: The Gathering Have fun EDIT: Almost forgot to mention BOF3 Nina is a reskin of Jill Valentine (when it comes to in-game skills)
all of these really sting...and I know it's never going to happen but Jump vs Capcom would be fire...make it look and play like MvC3 or TvC and give us some callbacks to the JoJo game and we're golden...now Goku and Ryu can take on DIO and Wesker
I think Capcom should go for it. Given how Infinity flopped because of Disney's meddling and anime are becoming more popular than superheroes, Shonen Jump seems like the key for a successful crossover. Either that or a sequel with Tatsunoko.
I think the justification of scrapping characters such as Psylocke and Nina because they’re aren’t popular enough is weird considering Rocket Raccoon made it into the game. This was well before the first GotG film was released so he definitely wasn’t as well known as he is today.
Rocket has the niche of being a wacky oddball pick. A playable unknown Raccoon draws eyes. Psylocke and Nina were known but weren’t extremely popular. Having middling popular is the worst you could have for being consider a roster spot.
Bro, something inside me died with this video because a lot of my favourite characters were actually considered for the game The hood, squirrel girl, ingrid, X. it almost feels personal
Ingrid being straight up shot down makes me sad because she's such an awesome pick. Hopefully all the characters with work put into them can be playable if they ever do another (good) game someday.
Hopefully the Gamer Crowd will grow up and learn that not all Strange additions are bad. Cause it Would’ve been Interesting to see what Ingrid’s involvement in the Capcom Mythos actually is for once!
@@MasterZebulin She got her planned debut fighting game cancelled, she made it into a... less than popular Capcom crossover fighting game, and later got into the Alpha 3 PSP port. After this game came out, she made two cameos in Street Fighter 5.
Niitsuma wanted 100 characters on the roster?! What a beast. Well..Super Smash Ultimate has 89. That big roster will only live in our dreams & the modding community
Hearing about all these cuts really makes me wish they considered another version to MvC3, as unlikely as that sadly is now. Hearing that Jon Talbain was considered but got cut still hurts to this day.
It’s quite a shame Street Fighter 3 never had a rep in MVC, unless you want to count Alex in Tatsunoko, Breath of Fire not getting a character is just like how Isaac from Golden Sun never got in Smash, well he has an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume but those things optional, Pyron from Darkstalkers would’ve been so sick teaming up with Galactus but like the Human Torch I could see them running into issues with Pyron. It’s still so crazy how freaking Megaman or X was not prioritized, possibly due to the Keiji Inafune nonsense going on at the time, Megaman Legends 3…
"It’s still so crazy how freaking Megaman or X was not prioritized, possibly due to the Keiji Inafune nonsense going on at the time, Megaman Legends 3…" All this because Inafune thought prioritizing Bad Box Art Mega Man in Street Fighter x Tekken over actual good material for Mega Man games would be funny. _Oh, and Inafune killed Darkstalkers too when he found out he fucked up._
It’s interesting that they were trying to outdo MVC2’s roster with 100. I actually came up with a similarly sized roster with every veteran and some new ones, called it MVC Megamix.
It probably would have been his most popular appearance until the Spiderverse films, although I don't think his reception would have been a lot better. Him being in without Venom would have probably annoyed people (even if the devs had no control over this)
11:00 Fun fact: Vergil has Demitri's color palette for one of his costume colors in UMVC3. He also has a black color palette that looks identical to his DMC5 design.
The fact that Ingrid was scrapped from vanilla MvC3 due to her hatebase is just ABSOLUTELY SAD. *_I WANT THE MODDING COMMUNITY TO PUT HER IN THE GAME NOW._*
Clone Engine mod was a godsend. Adds in MORE characters than the base UMvC3. Even if the movesets and hitboxes are patchwork of multiple characters (or lifted from other vs games) they have their own lifted dialogue and everything. Asura should've been a no-brainer, so it's a blast to finally play as him in a fighter.
M.O.D.O.K. in a giant mecha-suit should’ve been the final boss in Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter instead of Apocalypse. With Cyber Gouki/Akuma instead named M.O.D.O.K.U.M.A. or M.O.D.O.U.K.I.
I believe that a character being cut due to being too similar to another is a copout response. This is especially true on the Marvel side, with some characters having 60+ years of source material to pull from. The developers just didn't have the time to do that and came up with an excuse that doesn't make them look lazy.
it's not a copout, being able to tell a character at a glance is imperative to something like a vs title, especially since you're working with teams of 3. it's not like a 1 on 1 fighter where they show you who you're fighting at the start of the match, and you have an idea of who this bozo is even if they're in a wild costume. when you have characters dropping in for assists or switching out everyone needs to be fairly recognizable and distinguishable from each other so you can reevaluate things right away and understand what match up your in. sure they could spend extra time and resources examining the expansive history of marvel just to include a character with an alternate look, but i'm sure they'd prefer to stick to either the most iconic designs or the current designs; like what, you expect carol to show up as binary or something?
@@jasontodd1896 "boot licker"? i don't even like marvel 3, or mvc in general really. i just understand the types of considerations that come up when designing a roster because they show up in interviews all the time. plus *most of these characters were canned during consideration, talks, or really early development, so they didn't have much an impact if any on the size of the final roster*. they would have planned how many slots they were going to fill, so it's not like literally every idea they floated was going to make the cut. the characters that did in fact get cut from the planned roster size did so because of a natural disaster like mentioned in the video.
12:24 Not to sound like a nerd but I think it's pronounced "Sa-ma-nose-kay" also "Ominusha"? I'm sure it's "Oni-mu-sha" it's even said out loud when you unlock Mega Man.EXE in Onimusha Blade Warriors. (Yes, I know how weird that sounds, luckily Soki is right) And another thing is that about Rogue, the older MVC games did get console ports that did get rated by the ESRB, I think it's more of a, "This was way easier to get away with when we were using sprites" situation, I have a feeling Rouge was also considered but cut for the reasons you mentioned. I personally love Marvel 3, and consider it my favorite fighting game, and it's really a shame that the tragedy of the earthquake nerfed how much they could go all out but it definitely makes what they were able to get done a bit more impressive, if I had to pick the characters I'm most disappointed got cut, I would say Venom, (Huge missed opportunity for all the dialog possibilities) Squirrell Girl, (Again, all the dialog possibilities, and could have been a really good joke character) Son Son, (Finally got around to playing Marvel 2 recently and I picked her on a whim, and now she's in my main team, I sure you can guess the rest, my girl got sniped by a pirate who didn't even make it in anyway) Jedah, (He's on my main team in MVCI, and I also think I'm probably gonna main him when I play Darkstalkers, if I don't like Hsien-Ko more, yes I like playing Hsien-Ko in Marvel 3) Gene, (Purely just for the hilarity of his attacks from what I've seen of that game, plus that games fans would finally be shown some love and that's always good in my book) X, (One of my favorite characters of all time, I don't think I need to say anything else) and the Breath of Fire characters. (I would honestly just be happy for the people who got their favorite series in, and I maybe would pick up Kat since I like playing Son Son, I think that's how spell her name) One character I'm surprised wasn't considered is Mega Man Volnutt, he's in TVC so they could just use him from there, heck they proved they can do it with not too many compromises when they mentioned Soki, and he could've been a stand in for X, they already have Tron so it's not like it would be weird having just Zero and Volnutt, and they also put in Roll as the non-Mega Mega Man character and added Zero in TVCUAS the updated version that was actually released overseas so it's not like they care about that to begin with, heck he even appears in the game in Tron's ending as well. Edit: Who knows though, maybe he was one of those that haven't been confirmed but was considered, maybe they thought X was too much of a priority and they didn't think about him when the decision was made to cut X.
Rogue doesn't need to kiss or have sex with people to take their powers, she only has to touch them with her bare skin. This is usually her hand in actual stories rather than the kiss from the old games, so either Capcom just didn't want to take away her kiss move, or you were describing Rouge, not Rogue as you said.
So many cut characters 😭😭😭, I wish people could find these builds… I’m tight that my boy Luke & Jon Tailbain didn’t make it in but I’m absolutely suprised that Gill was supposed to be in.. we def need more Spiderman villains
6:05 To be fair to Miles Morales he actually only replaced Ultimate Peter Parker not the main comics however again after that the Superior Spider-Man Arc happened in the main comic so it didn't help his case
9:10 This is why I would rather have a new Capcom All-Stars than a new VS game, so that these obscure characters have a chance to be included in the game
It’s bizarre how Loki has never made it in to any game, especially considering how Infinite was shilling for the MCU. With his staff as well it could’ve made him a prrtty unique fighter. You could also give him the Casket of Winters and have him summon his children like Fenrir and Jormungand.
...Well knowing that (several!?) _Breath of Fire_ characters were even in the running only to *all* get cut wasn't bad news I was expecting today. At least it seemed obvious other _Darkstalkers_ were considered even with how screwed over poor Hsien-ko got. (Hearing Tessa and potentially Rogue also got "Megaman'd" isn't great either, honestly.) That said, thanks. It's sort of interesting that Ruby Heart of all people doesn't seem to have even been considered, and I was expecting pretty much all of the Disney-mandated _Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite_ characters to be among those cut here, but I guess that they all weren't just reconfirms how much Disney forced Capcom's hand with _MvC: Infinite_ as a whole.
Honestly SonSon being in but no Ruby Heart would've been perfectly fine. She's more a representative of the actual SonSon series, one of Capcom's, if not straight up THE, oldest series (as in to reach more than one game). Love Ruby too, but whether she's just an mvc OC or truly a scrapped and repurposed darkstalkers concept, the legacy SonSon has is more than enough for her to stand on her own. That all being said, yeah any world with both is the better option either way lol
5:03 Wait so the plan was to have Ultimate Jessica Drew but give her 616's powerset? Because Ultimate Jess doesn't fly or use electricity, she's literally just Peter but in a woman's body and with organic webbing.
This was my favorite fighting game alongside Soul Calibur V in 2012 and 2013 and marked the end of my love for the genre as a whole because to me the entire genre peaked with these two fighting games. Everything that came afterwards is a mere husk of what it once was.
5:40 , 19:05 Marvel Entertainment oversaw Marvel Studios from it’s founding up until 2015. The leadership at Marvel Entertainment is alleged to be the reason why movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow took so long to make, and why the television side of the MCU existed as an obscure faction of the MCU. Marvel Entertainment (a distinction from Marvel Studios) had some pretty spiteful people working at the company that it even affected how Marvel Studios were operating the MCU for a time. Marvel Entertainment also oversaw the animation and video game productions that were based on the Marvel property. There’s no way to definitively say for sure that it was necessarily Disney who enforced these changes as some of those restricted characters made appearances in other games like Contest of Champions and Marvel Heroes Online.
I can’t find any mention of why Gambit was excluded from the game. Since the developers didn’t put him in Ultimate version, I was left wondering why. I’d understand if they thought he’d be too similar to Dante. However, Dante doesn’t jump from wall to wall nor have a move like the Cajun Strike.
They were lazy and wanted to cut as many characters as possible. So they just threw in a few new charters to make it look like it was worth getting… the roster only had like 14 characters and most were just cut and paste. We def didn’t get a New game we got a tune up!
During Marvel 3’s development Marvel had a specific amount of characters that could make it in, ones that already had a movie or was going to get one later on, the former with Captain America, Hulk, Thor and Iron Man and the latter with Rocket Raccoon and Doctor Strange who would be introduced to the MCU later on. But characters that Marvel had no plans on using in the MCU like X-23 and Deadpool nearly didn’t happen because as Marvel was in a MUCH better state with the movies and that they were struggling to get back the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four, like Cyclops and the Fantastic Four as a team never made it in. By the time MVCI was announced, with the absence of the X-Men, who had been part of this franchise since the 90s, Children of the Atom were just gone as Marvel wanted characters that would be getting their own movies or already had ones in the MCU, something that Marvel themselves received backlash for.
5:00 Ultimate Spider-woman doesn't fly or have venom blasts(not electricity). She shoots webbing out her fingertips (like spider-woman in across the spider-verse). There's got to be more to it than that or it's avery dubious claim.
Yeah, I've been getting comments about this. It seems the Redditor mixed up versions of the character. I was non-the-wiser about it, so just rolled with it. I'm glad comments are pointing it out - better to be corrected then deemed not worth correcting.
Great video. Love these type of neat informative stories. Thank you! I can't believe they passed upon the idea of adding Loki. If ever a new MVC would come, I'd expect Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan), Loki and Scarlet Witch.
Dude it's about time someone openly talked about these I don't why it's been so underground for such a popular game, not even tcrf has documented any of this. I've always been fascinated from when I first heard Franzika was a cut character but never saw it mentioned anywhere. Here's hoping that amazing mod adds more of these characters they already have for a handful.
Welp, after they finally released a collection of the full MVC arcade series (including Children of the Atom and MSH), they might make another title in sole near future considering they bothered negotiating these licenses
With UMVC3 having a hella crazy good community doing mods, these cut characters could be a memory.
A good amount of them are characters in the game now with more to come 🙌🏿
I didnt even know this was a thing! How the hell do you get the game with mods? Like What are people playing this on??
@@MoneyHoneyBunny PC. Capcom has the game on sale quite often, so if you catch it, the unmodified game itself is like $8USD.
The files to modify it are easily found online, but it's only for PC.
im going to guess the pc version theres already mods for cyclops venom x and captain commando to name a few@@MoneyHoneyBunny
@@discmanthecdlord I literally never knew this was on PC lmao. After seeing this video i looked on steam and YUP! Got it for like 8 bucks cause of the sale, and I already got it on 360 and ps vita but, cant mod those!
Fascinating to hear so many cut characters already had completely playable builds
I love it. Emma stole Jean's man, so Jean stole Emma's spot in the crossover game
Jean is a Tramp, so I prefer Emma.
With the later games, it felt like so many of the Capcom reps were from games and series already popular in the West.
I loved playing characters like Jin back in MvC2.
It's baffling that they never had a rep from Breath of Fire, Sengoku Basara, Power Stone, Monster Hunter, or Onimusha! I was amazed to see Amaterasu make the cut, honestly.
Monster hunter is in infinite
@@alanbrizan the video isn't about infinite and neither is op's comment
Power stone characters were missed
@rinnnnnnnnnnrin they used the phrase "they never had a rep from" which implies its over all of MVC not just 3
I find it funny how Megaman isn’t in the game, but we have 2 characters that can dress up as him XD
And two characters from the Megaman series THAT ARN’T MEGAMAN
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It's like adding Mario characters and deciding that you only need Yoshi and, like... ...Nabbit.
Frank West and zero appearntly
@@mythosinfinite6736While I agree with the lack of Megaman being a sin, I don't see why people downplay Zero and Tron being there as bad representation to the series, both are popular main characters of their respective games and veterans to the VS series as well, not a good comparison imo.
Zero's win quote about X not being here becomes even more assholish when he's dressed up as X, despite Zero not needing *any* help in that department. (Tron meanwhile is fine...outside of unfortunately being awful mechanically. Still not sure how you actually fix her though.)
Funny how capcom was freaked about the esrb and yet we still got felicia
Barely
It's funny how Megaman X was number one on Capcom's own poll for most wanted character in UMVC3, but when asked why X wasn't in the game Capcom lied to the fans and said that there wasn't enough interest in Megaman X EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NUMBER ONE IN THEIR OWN DAMN POLL.
Crapcom sucks
It's sort of a well-known fact now that Inafune asked for there to be no playable Megaman in MVC3. Surprised this video didn't mention it.
@@Teebs1996 Welp, add Marvel vs. Capcom to the list of franchises Inafune fucked over.
@@Teebs1996 wait, really? Source on that?
@@GlitchanBlackwhat other game did he f over ?
Alright, some things to comment, since I made my own research on all these rejected characters:
1.- There was never a choice between Sentinel and Juggernaut. What happens is that Niitsuma said in an interview (from CAW Evolution) that his team couldn't use characters that Marvel wouldn't allow, and he used those two characters as examples of it. It was from before Sentinel was announced for the game, so it wasn't a matter of choosing between one and the other.
2.- It *was* Rouge from Power Stone who got rejected for age rating issues, not Rogue. It makes even more sense in context as Niitsuma only mentioned Capcom characters in that thread where he said the whole "we considered over 150 female characters".
3.- Monster Hunter was rejected via petition of the series' devs, same thing happened with Sengoku Basara characters. There was never a choice between a monster or Firebrand.
4.- Black Panther was called "too punchy" by Seth Killian in an interview, and another one claimed that he was "too similar" to Taskmaster of all characters. Also, Black Panther plays nothing like Wolverine in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.
5.- There is no evidence or sources about Franziska being rejected from Marvel 3, and it's possible that the reddit post is confusing it with her rejection from Tatsunoko vs Capcom, which on the other hand, is well-documented.
Black Panther DOES play similar to Wolverine. In terms of his moveset, he's just discount Wolverine
@@Mimi._.Haruno_ Mention a move set similarity then. Just because they both use claws doesn't mean they fight the same.
I dont know how felicia gets a pass but not rouge lol
@@darkrai436 that's exactly it, they both use claws, and black panther was more boring with it 💀
@@Mimi._.Haruno_bp plays completely different from logan
honestly if capcom were gonna make another versus game, i think sega would be an amazing choice to crossover with, not only are sega and capcom both known for their dominance in the arcade scene back in the day, theyre also known for their home console games and fighting games, both companies have tons of cool ip they could draw from too, mega man and sonic already had a crossover comic.
As long as Namco is involved.
Yeah, that's a great idea
It seems we're due for CVS3 to become reality in a few years from now. Capcom & SNK have both expressed interest in working together again, and both companies have massively expanded FG casts over decades. We probably won't see anything till City of the Wolves is finished, however.
yeah i think crossing over with not-video game properties is dead and gone, but i do think other video game properties might be on the table. just depends on whose willing to play ball in the end
my pie in the sky dream would be official capcom vs. sega (partially inspired by the one fangame), just because they've messed around with crossovers in other mediums already with sonic and mega man and segas overdue for more silly crossover nonsense too since its been forever and change since theyve made their two racing games.
aka "before sega owned atlus" and the stupid fanfic part of my brain wants to see aegis hang out with x/zero
@@idiotsplay580 that's likely too. Project X Zone is still... Recent enough as far as game gemrations go and Sega has been shouting how they wanna use more of their IP again the past few years. They have been doing just that, even if sometimes outsourced. I've become a new fan of many in this period like Sakura Wars and Streets of Rage but a vs Capcom and the natural built in buzz around crossovers of companies with their history would be a huge bump for both when it comes to the gaming community at least. And honestly Capcom needs it too outside the like... 5 series they acknowledge exist for the past few years, even if most of my favorite Capcom series' are among that lineup.
@@MagillanicaLouM yeah like Infinite got a bunch of buzz from the mega man community bc of how prominently featured the X cast was in the game and the sick ultron sigma fusion, even with everything else negative swirling around it. it's a good way to throw a bone to your faithful fans that dont get games every year (or every five years, considering mega man has had one new game since 2011...).
i think tonight's sega fighting game reveal is 1000 percent VF6, but there's such an empty hole of crazy crossover stuff nowadays outside of specifically mortal kombat; multiversus is on hiatus for lord knows how long, MvC is dead and capcom hasnt done any serious crossover stuff in a while, smash ultimate has been done and dusted for a while and likely wont see a sequel for another 5-10 years if we're lucky...
if its not capcom with a dance partner i think someone else steps up eventually into the space in a year or two
Well Terry and Mai are planned to be in SF6 so...
HUGE NEWS
I would love to see Sega VS Capcom. It’s too good of an idea
Mmm...
It exists
@@Supernir I mean officially
Hear me out: Arc System Works vs. Capcom
Sega has it's own amazing fighting game division in AM2 (well, not specifically for fighting games, although they're notable for those alone)
Could you imagine street fighter characters vs virtua fighter/fighting vipers characters? Maybe even the sonic the fighters cast? lol even the hornet from daytona usa could be added in
Oh man, Gill being cut makes me so sad dude. Rogue (possibly) is even more sad, but thankfully modders are working on her rn, so that's cool!
No Psylocke was disappointing and the fact that they said she wasnt popular enough when she was the only playable female in MSH... Tessa/Talbain/Donovan/Cyclops/Juggernaut etc are upsetting too.
See, they went through all of these developmental issues and trial and error, when they could've just added Amingo as the only fighter in the entire game, and it would've been an instant 11/10. Capcom really screwed the pooch on this one
I still think TvC had the more interesting Capcom roster because they picked characters nobody ever expected. Alex in particular was my favorite, they did him justice. Would love to have seen him in 3 as another grappler.
and saki as well
she is the most interesting to me because she is a character from a visual novel (or dating simulator) of all things and it still works
@@OGpackirby Quiz dating sim actually. Quiz Nanairo Dreams. She was an assist partner in MvC1 as well.
And Megaman Volnutt!
Indeed, tvc had soki, saki, alex, viewtiful joe(which mvc3 did re add) and megaman volnut. MVC3 obscure character for capcom side was amy from okami, which is a good pick but that's the only one. Auther from G&G isn't really obscure.
TvC is unironically my favorite Versus roster. The character choices are so inspired. No way we'll ever get the Capcom-side of a versus roster like that again.
The lack of single player content is even funnier when you remember the promises they were making about having a "robust story".
Hearing that Gill was going to be in the game made me have to pause the video and take a moment. I love Gill, and it would have been hype to see him in MvC3
Weren't there rumors about Gill being DLC for MvC Infinite, before that game died?
@@SemiJuggaloNumber2Yep. Him and Lady were scheduled to appear in later DLC seasons before they pulled the plug
Fancy seeing you here.
@@SemiJuggaloNumber2man that sucks but I think that would have been a waste because Gill bribns main antagonist potential for the story and the game was too lazy
And I thought the MCU ruined MvCi. You're telling me Marvel was being bitchy about Brand synergy way back when MvC3 was coming out?!
So much good characters cut just to setup for the MCU 🤦♂️
I always found it weird they said they couldn’t figure out how to make Loki work in gameplay with his power set. When the game was first announced, I figured we see him and he’d play something like Chizuru Kagura from The King of Fighters. There was a reason given for Black Panther not being in the game, which I always found weird, and that reason was he would’ve played too much like Taskmaster. The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon had been running around that time, and if they’d of molded Black Panther after that game he probably would’ve been more like Gambit with his vibranium daggers and a dash (or maybe a move) that has him running on all fours that could maybe go under some moves. I can only guess the too much like Taskmaster thing was counter moves, but it ain’t like Taskmaster is the only character with counters.
I think you are right about the Rogue and Rouge thing. Capcom did want Rogue, but Marvel didn’t want her because she’s an X-Men character. Marvel didn’t even want Storm, Seth Killian had to fight to get her in. More so than the Disney thing, I thing the big difference between 3 and Infinite and getting characters in was Killian. It sounds like there were a lot of characters they had to fight to keep in 3. I want to say they were thinking about Rouge but didn’t go with her because they were worried about the games rating...which really doesn’t make any sense since she’s from a T rated video game. This was also a reason given as to why Nemesis wasn’t in the game originally, so Capcom seemingly had some odd thought on what the ESRB would and wouldn’t allow.
I’m pretty sure the Fantastic Four thing is wrong. I remember an old interview from around after Ultimate came out where they talked about characters they wanted. Them being one character where you play as Mr. Fantastic, like how Captain Commando functions, is something I’m surprised they didn’t do given Captain Commando is a thing. All I remember Niitsuma saying is they wanted Mr. Fantastic and Human Torch, that they had some kind of problem with Human Torch, and that Marvel said no unless they were all there and could all be on a team together, (so it would have to be a 4 vs 4 game) and that Marvel suggested Super Skrull in their place.
If they were thinking of War Machine, I wonder if they were going to completely revamp him. War Machine’s whole thing is guns. I could see Capcom taking the gameplay of PTX-40A in Tatsunoko vs Capcom, the gun switching, and just giving that to War Machine to separate him from Iron Man.
I did always find it odd the Capcom side of Tatsunoko vs Capcom didn’t just get moved over. They’ve got seven characters with at least finished animations but they never reused them.
I mean i feel the earthquake is genuinely the reason the roster isn't bigger
Tessa almost making in on UMVC3 but not making the cut still hurts me to this day. Literally the perfect rival for Dr Strange
And damn, Capcom's Athena Asamiya(Ingrid) really can't catch a break, isn't it?
Tessa being only in three games, one of which wasn't even made by Capcom is depressing. She's one of my favorite Capcom characters and she would have been great. There was an MvC styled Tessa for Mugen that was super well made I loved.
Ingrid's game also changed Zangief's sprites and they looked terrible. She can STAY in the bin until she apologizes for ruining Zangief.
@@Lenohhuh?
@@LenohDamn I thought the Ingrid hate died in 2014. Seems that some will continue to this day
Yeah, learning Tessa got cut hurts almost as much as hearing the various _Darkstalker_ and especially _Breath of Fire_ characters that got cut. And while I don't like Ingrid at all, I think she could have fit fine here with some revamp to her, like playing up the goddess angle maybe.
Francizska Von Karma almost made it? Could have been interesting to see what a 3D proto-Whip-from-KOF could have looked like.
Ingrid got cut in both TvC and MvC. Also having first origin game cancelled. Which is really hilarious.
Honestly, I don't think it's even funny anymore - it's just her hate base being a bunch of bullies.
@@GlitchanBlack I honestly thought the same, but glad I wasn't the only one 😅😅😅
I'm glad you talked about the bad timing of marvel 3's release, however one other thing that gets overlooked is how it came out in 2011, a year before Avengers came out and put the MCU and the Avengers themselves on the map. The versus series would be in a very different place had they waited a year to release marvel 3. We also could've gotten all the Ultimate dlc on release plus the characters that were lost after the tsunami.
Hey man, thanks for making this video. I'm the guy who made that entire list as far back as 2019, kept updating it and reposting it until that final draft.
On that Hand stage issue, I haven't really played the game in a long time so I did genuinely mean that there wasn't a Hand Hideout stage. My bad.
But I'm really glad for this information to get out,, hope you have a blessed life man.
Carl (ATHF) in Marvel vs Capcom: "I don't need no instructions to know how to DHC."
"Hey trench coat man, is that X factor for me or uh, you know what whatever. It don't matter. The three on three don't matter"
If it wasn’t for Disney’s Purchase on Marvel. Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 would still have DLC support and the long awaited PATCH that fixes those dastardly frame issues.
This
I domt get how the game is so weirdly poorly optimised
Likely not as Marvel wouldn’t have existed or gone to a private equity firm who’ve done none of it. This doesn’t fit the popular narrative yet is true, but Marvel didn’t decline under Disney as it was already dying with fire sells of their properties just to survive.
The fact that Fei Long is NOT in a marvel game is nutballs
I just want Capcom vs. Capcom...
That would be great, but who would be the final boss?
@@luisreyes1963 Abyss could make a return, since he is a original character made by Capcom.
@@luisreyes1963Kenzo Tsujimoto
That’s boring
@@OwlWithChainsaw It's sustainable. Unlike licensed partnerships.
I'm hoping footage of the MVC3 beta gets shown soon. I would have loved to see all of those cut chaeacters build and see what we could have gotten. Hopefully one day this is shared!
Considering Ingrid is the goddess of the Capcom Universe, I feel we should see her more often in crossovers, yet no chance
Perhaps they should think about working on that cancelled Capcom 3D fighter again, it could have the potential for fixing her reputation
Blade is such a missed opportunity.
I think people would have been JUST fine with Blade being a Dante clone with different supers.
@@JakeJakersThe thing is Blade doesn’t have to fight like him.
"Psylocke is the only marvel character to be removed due to the lack of popularity"
I wonder to whom they gauge this "popularity" from? I wanted to have a word with them. 😤
List of characters I wish didn’t get cut
Venom, cyclops, human torch, Mr Fantastic, Blade, Juggernaut, Phylocke, Dr Octopus, Silversurfer, Power man, Multiple Man
Ingrid, Sonson, Gene, Tessa, Megaman X, Franzisca, Chuck Greene, Gill, Nina, Fou Lou, Jon talbain
My ideal Fighting rooster would be something that basically just uses all of the cast from Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone Crossover RPG's. It's still the only way I've see Fighting Vipers, Soul Calibur, and Star Gladiator characters all together in one room.
Thankfully with the inclusions of mods for MvC3 some of these cut characters can be playable like Venom and other new ones like Nero. Hoping someone out there makes a playable Chuck Greene mod. Interesting video though MvC3 has gotta be one of my favorite fighting games of all time.
Yeah, I'd rather have the real deal or nothing at all than some asset flips that try to resemble a character by mish mashed moves from within the game! These mods looks like shit.
Custom anims are real now
They are updating anims
@@DANCERcow UMVC3 has had custom modeling for like a year now
That's great, they still look like shit lol
One interesting detail to add to the story: If I recall correctly, the major earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in 2011 massively (and very understandably!) disrupted Capcom’s original planned production schedule for DLC for vanilla MvC3, and suddenly having to improvise a plan B was supposedly a huge part of why they simply released UMvC3 as a standalone title with everything included.
I'll forever be salty that Jon Talbain was this close to making it in and had to be cut because of external circumstances.
Marvel vs Capcom 2 is back, baby! Never say never folks.
So shocking to me that capcom had to fight for Deadpool! This game made me fall in love with the character. I couldn’t imagine MvC3 without him.
Deadpool would’ve also been a riot in MvC2,
but instead they gave us Marrow… Who is that chick anyway?
If it was not for him in MvC Deadpool wouldn’t have shot up in popularity.
I would love for the Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 modding community to add all these characters in one day.
I would have absolutely loved to see Fou Lu. And Soki is actually from Onimusha. Cool content man. Keep up the good work!
I had my suspicions about some characters, but knowing that they considered Katt, Tessa and Arietta and then cut them hurt my soul. As much as in this year Evo when we were waiting for the MvC4 announcement and they showed the upcoming Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising.
When I knew that Katt was actually considered but ultimately rejected due to the series being dead my soul died a little since she's one of my favorite characters of all time and even when the game was announced I did a little fanart of her in the game 💔
That's *is* a real kick in the pants, isn't it? Now there's *NO* BOF representative *_period._*
That's how I felt when I heard both, Nina and Fou-Lu, had been cut due to being unpopular
Also, this video mentioned she was based on her BOF1 appearence, when in reality, the developers had chosen her BOF2 incarnation, which is even more painful since I like her design
@@MasterZebulinGood thing most of the BOF characters are featured as cards in Teppen (the unofficial Capcom All Stars)
@@Slayerofall21 You're pulling my leg. Don't play with my heart like that.
@@MasterZebulin Check it out for yourself. It's basically Capcom meets Magic: The Gathering
Have fun
EDIT: Almost forgot to mention BOF3 Nina is a reskin of Jill Valentine (when it comes to in-game skills)
I was so surprised when I heard PHOENIX WRIGHT, A LAWYER was in a FIGHTING GAME 😂
Man, it would have been amazing to have Doctor Octopus
all of these really sting...and I know it's never going to happen but Jump vs Capcom would be fire...make it look and play like MvC3 or TvC and give us some callbacks to the JoJo game and we're golden...now Goku and Ryu can take on DIO and Wesker
I think Capcom should go for it. Given how Infinity flopped because of Disney's meddling and anime are becoming more popular than superheroes, Shonen Jump seems like the key for a successful crossover. Either that or a sequel with Tatsunoko.
Jump vs Capcom would be HEAT
i really wanted gill and demitri, blade would had been a great addition
Gill would have been a great final boss in a MVC game.
I think the justification of scrapping characters such as Psylocke and Nina because they’re aren’t popular enough is weird considering Rocket Raccoon made it into the game. This was well before the first GotG film was released so he definitely wasn’t as well known as he is today.
Rocket has the niche of being a wacky oddball pick. A playable unknown Raccoon draws eyes. Psylocke and Nina were known but weren’t extremely popular. Having middling popular is the worst you could have for being consider a roster spot.
@@willemdafoe6256 fair enough, I guess. I’m opposed to Rocket Raccoon being in or anything. I love the little guy. I just find it a bit odd.
Bro, something inside me died with this video because a lot of my favourite characters were actually considered for the game
The hood, squirrel girl, ingrid, X. it almost feels personal
looking to your pfp what about a transformers fighting game???
Ingrid being straight up shot down makes me sad because she's such an awesome pick. Hopefully all the characters with work put into them can be playable if they ever do another (good) game someday.
Hopefully the Gamer Crowd will grow up and learn that not all Strange additions are bad.
Cause it Would’ve been Interesting to see what Ingrid’s involvement in the Capcom Mythos actually is for once!
@@danielramsey6141 What's the deal with Ingrid, anyway?
@@MasterZebulin She got her planned debut fighting game cancelled, she made it into a... less than popular Capcom crossover fighting game, and later got into the Alpha 3 PSP port. After this game came out, she made two cameos in Street Fighter 5.
@@GlitchanBlack No, why do people hate her so much?
I’d have killed for Miles, Venom, or Gill are you kidding
Niitsuma wanted 100 characters on the roster?! What a beast. Well..Super Smash Ultimate has 89. That big roster will only live in our dreams & the modding community
Hearing about all these cuts really makes me wish they considered another version to MvC3, as unlikely as that sadly is now.
Hearing that Jon Talbain was considered but got cut still hurts to this day.
Inafune hates Darkstalkers, what else did you expect?
talbain is available in umvc3 now thanks to mods, and he works flawlessly!
Can't believe Marvel said no for Venom and Cyclops
I remember about the crying of the character choices. Im always a fan of new characters people dont know about
It’s quite a shame Street Fighter 3 never had a rep in MVC, unless you want to count Alex in Tatsunoko, Breath of Fire not getting a character is just like how Isaac from Golden Sun never got in Smash, well he has an Assist Trophy and Mii Costume but those things optional, Pyron from Darkstalkers would’ve been so sick teaming up with Galactus but like the Human Torch I could see them running into issues with Pyron. It’s still so crazy how freaking Megaman or X was not prioritized, possibly due to the Keiji Inafune nonsense going on at the time, Megaman Legends 3…
"It’s still so crazy how freaking Megaman or X was not prioritized, possibly due to the Keiji Inafune nonsense going on at the time, Megaman Legends 3…"
All this because Inafune thought prioritizing Bad Box Art Mega Man in Street Fighter x Tekken over actual good material for Mega Man games would be funny.
_Oh, and Inafune killed Darkstalkers too when he found out he fucked up._
It’s interesting that they were trying to outdo MVC2’s roster with 100. I actually came up with a similarly sized roster with every veteran and some new ones, called it MVC Megamix.
I really want Gene from Godhand in a vs game, he has so many moves to pull from and is a great character
UA-cam's algorithm showed me this video.
Carl from Aqua Teen made me watch.
I feel like Miles Morales in MvC3 would be a good way to introduce him to people since he was created in the same year MvC3 was released
It probably would have been his most popular appearance until the Spiderverse films, although I don't think his reception would have been a lot better. Him being in without Venom would have probably annoyed people (even if the devs had no control over this)
11:00 Fun fact: Vergil has Demitri's color palette for one of his costume colors in UMVC3. He also has a black color palette that looks identical to his DMC5 design.
The fact that Ingrid was scrapped from vanilla MvC3 due to her hatebase is just ABSOLUTELY SAD.
*_I WANT THE MODDING COMMUNITY TO PUT HER IN THE GAME NOW._*
Clone Engine mod was a godsend. Adds in MORE characters than the base UMvC3. Even if the movesets and hitboxes are patchwork of multiple characters (or lifted from other vs games) they have their own lifted dialogue and everything. Asura should've been a no-brainer, so it's a blast to finally play as him in a fighter.
Back then with no context, It felt like M.O.D.O.K. was the replacement for Cyclops.
M.O.D.O.K. in a giant mecha-suit should’ve been the final boss in Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter instead of Apocalypse.
With Cyber Gouki/Akuma instead named M.O.D.O.K.U.M.A. or M.O.D.O.U.K.I.
crazy they thought Psylocke wasn't popular because she is MASSIVELY popular in the X-Men space, as well as the MvC space, but oh well. awesome video!
I believe that a character being cut due to being too similar to another is a copout response. This is especially true on the Marvel side, with some characters having 60+ years of source material to pull from. The developers just didn't have the time to do that and came up with an excuse that doesn't make them look lazy.
it's not a copout, being able to tell a character at a glance is imperative to something like a vs title, especially since you're working with teams of 3. it's not like a 1 on 1 fighter where they show you who you're fighting at the start of the match, and you have an idea of who this bozo is even if they're in a wild costume. when you have characters dropping in for assists or switching out everyone needs to be fairly recognizable and distinguishable from each other so you can reevaluate things right away and understand what match up your in. sure they could spend extra time and resources examining the expansive history of marvel just to include a character with an alternate look, but i'm sure they'd prefer to stick to either the most iconic designs or the current designs; like what, you expect carol to show up as binary or something?
It is . I agree
@@tvgg1it is a copout reason. It’s laziness tbh
Found the bootlicker
@@jasontodd1896 "boot licker"? i don't even like marvel 3, or mvc in general really. i just understand the types of considerations that come up when designing a roster because they show up in interviews all the time. plus *most of these characters were canned during consideration, talks, or really early development, so they didn't have much an impact if any on the size of the final roster*. they would have planned how many slots they were going to fill, so it's not like literally every idea they floated was going to make the cut. the characters that did in fact get cut from the planned roster size did so because of a natural disaster like mentioned in the video.
@@tvgg1yeah right
12:24 Not to sound like a nerd but I think it's pronounced "Sa-ma-nose-kay" also "Ominusha"? I'm sure it's "Oni-mu-sha" it's even said out loud when you unlock Mega Man.EXE in Onimusha Blade Warriors. (Yes, I know how weird that sounds, luckily Soki is right)
And another thing is that about Rogue, the older MVC games did get console ports that did get rated by the ESRB, I think it's more of a, "This was way easier to get away with when we were using sprites" situation, I have a feeling Rouge was also considered but cut for the reasons you mentioned.
I personally love Marvel 3, and consider it my favorite fighting game, and it's really a shame that the tragedy of the earthquake nerfed how much they could go all out but it definitely makes what they were able to get done a bit more impressive, if I had to pick the characters I'm most disappointed got cut, I would say Venom, (Huge missed opportunity for all the dialog possibilities) Squirrell Girl, (Again, all the dialog possibilities, and could have been a really good joke character) Son Son, (Finally got around to playing Marvel 2 recently and I picked her on a whim, and now she's in my main team, I sure you can guess the rest, my girl got sniped by a pirate who didn't even make it in anyway) Jedah, (He's on my main team in MVCI, and I also think I'm probably gonna main him when I play Darkstalkers, if I don't like Hsien-Ko more, yes I like playing Hsien-Ko in Marvel 3) Gene, (Purely just for the hilarity of his attacks from what I've seen of that game, plus that games fans would finally be shown some love and that's always good in my book) X, (One of my favorite characters of all time, I don't think I need to say anything else) and the Breath of Fire characters. (I would honestly just be happy for the people who got their favorite series in, and I maybe would pick up Kat since I like playing Son Son, I think that's how spell her name)
One character I'm surprised wasn't considered is Mega Man Volnutt, he's in TVC so they could just use him from there, heck they proved they can do it with not too many compromises when they mentioned Soki, and he could've been a stand in for X, they already have Tron so it's not like it would be weird having just Zero and Volnutt, and they also put in Roll as the non-Mega Mega Man character and added Zero in TVCUAS the updated version that was actually released overseas so it's not like they care about that to begin with, heck he even appears in the game in Tron's ending as well. Edit: Who knows though, maybe he was one of those that haven't been confirmed but was considered, maybe they thought X was too much of a priority and they didn't think about him when the decision was made to cut X.
Nothing wrong with that, especially since the subject is nerdy enough.
In a good way
@@acesamm I suppose, and I guess there's no harm in a correction as long as you're not rude about it.
Great detailed explanations. Its clear you put great effort into this video. Subscribed :)
Rogue doesn't need to kiss or have sex with people to take their powers, she only has to touch them with her bare skin. This is usually her hand in actual stories rather than the kiss from the old games, so either Capcom just didn't want to take away her kiss move, or you were describing Rouge, not Rogue as you said.
Yeah, I think it was the Power Stone character the original post was referring to.
Fantastic 4 as a single ensemble character wouldve been wild. Imagine having 6 characters to your opponents 3 lmao
great video. gene would've been so cool in UMVC3. also infinite almost giving us lady from DMC . it would've been so hype
I was so disappointed to find that the juggernaut wasn't in MVC 3.
The modding community gonna take care of this
So many cut characters 😭😭😭, I wish people could find these builds… I’m tight that my boy Luke & Jon Tailbain didn’t make it in but I’m absolutely suprised that Gill was supposed to be in.. we def need more Spiderman villains
6:05 To be fair to Miles Morales he actually only replaced Ultimate Peter Parker not the main comics however again after that the Superior Spider-Man Arc happened in the main comic so it didn't help his case
Yeah, I wish they did a "Batman Beyond" with Miles instead. I'm positive he would have been much more well-received.
MvCI was such a fever dream they we're still talking about MvC3
9:10 This is why I would rather have a new Capcom All-Stars than a new VS game, so that these obscure characters have a chance to be included in the game
It’s bizarre how Loki has never made it in to any game, especially considering how Infinite was shilling for the MCU. With his staff as well it could’ve made him a prrtty unique fighter. You could also give him the Casket of Winters and have him summon his children like Fenrir and Jormungand.
...Well knowing that (several!?) _Breath of Fire_ characters were even in the running only to *all* get cut wasn't bad news I was expecting today. At least it seemed obvious other _Darkstalkers_ were considered even with how screwed over poor Hsien-ko got. (Hearing Tessa and potentially Rogue also got "Megaman'd" isn't great either, honestly.)
That said, thanks. It's sort of interesting that Ruby Heart of all people doesn't seem to have even been considered, and I was expecting pretty much all of the Disney-mandated _Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite_ characters to be among those cut here, but I guess that they all weren't just reconfirms how much Disney forced Capcom's hand with _MvC: Infinite_ as a whole.
We could've had freaking Gene!? And they gave us Frank instead?! What a travesty.
Honestly SonSon being in but no Ruby Heart would've been perfectly fine. She's more a representative of the actual SonSon series, one of Capcom's, if not straight up THE, oldest series (as in to reach more than one game). Love Ruby too, but whether she's just an mvc OC or truly a scrapped and repurposed darkstalkers concept, the legacy SonSon has is more than enough for her to stand on her own. That all being said, yeah any world with both is the better option either way lol
Can’t believe they didn’t add Bison. He was one of the few mvc2 SF characters that could contend with the Marvel side
5:03 Wait so the plan was to have Ultimate Jessica Drew but give her 616's powerset? Because Ultimate Jess doesn't fly or use electricity, she's literally just Peter but in a woman's body and with organic webbing.
It's... not entirely clear on what version they wanted, honestly.
Chuck and Von Karma would've gone so hard
Venom and Megaman not in MvC3 was criminal
I would've lost it for Talbain to be playable
This was my favorite fighting game alongside Soul Calibur V in 2012 and 2013 and marked the end of my love for the genre as a whole because to me the entire genre peaked with these two fighting games.
Everything that came afterwards is a mere husk of what it once was.
True That, True that. And It’s super Annoying.
A lot of the heroes and heralds cards were characters cut in development or were considered but cut very early.
The fact we dont have a single Breath of Fire character in the mvc séries saddens me
5:40 , 19:05 Marvel Entertainment oversaw Marvel Studios from it’s founding up until 2015. The leadership at Marvel Entertainment is alleged to be the reason why movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow took so long to make, and why the television side of the MCU existed as an obscure faction of the MCU. Marvel Entertainment (a distinction from Marvel Studios) had some pretty spiteful people working at the company that it even affected how Marvel Studios were operating the MCU for a time. Marvel Entertainment also oversaw the animation and video game productions that were based on the Marvel property. There’s no way to definitively say for sure that it was necessarily Disney who enforced these changes as some of those restricted characters made appearances in other games like Contest of Champions and Marvel Heroes Online.
Never understand why Ingrid is hated.
I can’t find any mention of why Gambit was excluded from the game. Since the developers didn’t put him in Ultimate version, I was left wondering why. I’d understand if they thought he’d be too similar to Dante. However, Dante doesn’t jump from wall to wall nor have a move like the Cajun Strike.
Gambit's absence might be a result of wanting a female staff user (which sadly never happened.)
@@JakeJakers I would say more likely it was because X-men had been getting phased out for a decade and Gambit was barely used during that time.
They were lazy and wanted to cut as many characters as possible. So they just threw in a few new charters to make it look like it was worth getting… the roster only had like 14 characters and most were just cut and paste. We def didn’t get a New game we got a tune up!
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During Marvel 3’s development Marvel had a specific amount of characters that could make it in, ones that already had a movie or was going to get one later on, the former with Captain America, Hulk, Thor and Iron Man and the latter with Rocket Raccoon and Doctor Strange who would be introduced to the MCU later on. But characters that Marvel had no plans on using in the MCU like X-23 and Deadpool nearly didn’t happen because as Marvel was in a MUCH better state with the movies and that they were struggling to get back the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four, like Cyclops and the Fantastic Four as a team never made it in. By the time MVCI was announced, with the absence of the X-Men, who had been part of this franchise since the 90s, Children of the Atom were just gone as Marvel wanted characters that would be getting their own movies or already had ones in the MCU, something that Marvel themselves received backlash for.
MvC collections is coming!!!
Time for more HOPIUM 😅
I'm sure I remember seeing artwork for the Green Goblin back around the time MVC3 was in development too
5:00 Ultimate Spider-woman doesn't fly or have venom blasts(not electricity). She shoots webbing out her fingertips (like spider-woman in across the spider-verse). There's got to be more to it than that or it's avery dubious claim.
Yeah, I've been getting comments about this. It seems the Redditor mixed up versions of the character. I was non-the-wiser about it, so just rolled with it. I'm glad comments are pointing it out - better to be corrected then deemed not worth correcting.
Great video. Love these type of neat informative stories. Thank you!
I can't believe they passed upon the idea of adding Loki.
If ever a new MVC would come, I'd expect Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan), Loki and Scarlet Witch.
Dude it's about time someone openly talked about these I don't why it's been so underground for such a popular game, not even tcrf has documented any of this. I've always been fascinated from when I first heard Franzika was a cut character but never saw it mentioned anywhere. Here's hoping that amazing mod adds more of these characters they already have for a handful.
I have never been so angry at an earthquake in my entire life. I anyone affected by the tragedy is doing okay.
Welp, after they finally released a collection of the full MVC arcade series (including Children of the Atom and MSH), they might make another title in sole near future considering they bothered negotiating these licenses