My 87 Monte Carlo SS Keeps BENDING Water Pumps - Will This fix it?
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Watching someone have problems with their vehicle isn't why I watch, seeing how they handle the problem and correct it is why I watch. Years ago I backed myself into a corner at work and it would have cost the company a lot of money to correct it. My boss simply walked over and said that if I could find myself into the problem he was sure that I could find my way out of it. I did and my motto in life became that if you found your way into a problem, stay calm and find your way out of it. It's worked for the better part of sixty years. Wonderful video. Thank you.
The mechanical fan could be the problem too!
If not then
Either an electric water pump
Or different alternator pulley,different alternator position and mounting and other crankshaft pulley should maybe do it.
im wondering if that fan might be actually out of balance enough to cause his issue during the rev? May be just better off going back to a good oem fan if he can fit it in?
That was my immediate first thought… why not throw an electric pump and fan on it?
That was the first thing that came up to me the clutch fan is to much for the pump shaft i would do electrical fans it will improve ur throttle response has well if u go electrical fans
Randy go to the junk yard look for a 1988 thru 1996 chevy pick up 2500 it has every thing u to swap all the pullys over one belt for everything I have down it and never had a problem after that
I'd go with electric fans. The shaft is connected to the fan and as you increase speed the fan gives more resistance on that water pump
take the clutch fan off, it is adding weight to the shaft
I was thinking the same
I don't think its so much that people want to see the pain and stuff, but more the back and forth between you and mike in those videos. You guys are natural and make a better "buddy cop duo" than most movie guys.... You make people laugh and forget about their own troubles for a few minutes, and that's good enough for me
Randy’s had to face his fair share of problems in life, having friends like Monkey Wrench Mike and Santa’s Helper Michael as friends is priceless. These guys are really great.
Watching your content feeds me knowledge about cars troubleshoots and its entertaining kudos to your channel randy🎉🎉🎉
Randy, have you tried a billet water pump pulley? March Performa # 4032. Also, since you ordered the incorrect fuel lines for MTBE concentrations, double check. Plus, you have an aluminum carb on top of an aluminum intake = fuel boiling after shut off then restart 30 minutes later, or long idling. Add an Edelbrock # 8723 heat resistant carb spacer. Then add a return carb fuel filter with return to the tank.
you need to take Nick with you on the power tour thats something im sure he would love and just think of the memories yall will make together.
How about the fan it might be off balanced maybe an electric fan would help or a light weight fan . The belt for the alternator should be tight . Looks good sounds good .
Hey Randy, thumbs up and kudos once again! To the best automotive channel on, UA-cam! Do you offer a complete package! For variety in vehicles, and the most exciting presentations with your enthusiasm and appreciation of these cars! Not to mention your personal sharing and road trips, and high character! love the sound of the Monte Carlo really rich! Keep it up
The stick out, of the fan stubb shaft, seems to be excessive. Could you not try an electric fan ?
PUT ELECTRIC WATER PUMP AND ELECTRIC FAN
Yeah Jacob should have told you that.but yeah I think I was there when they dyno’d that engine i was picking up my LS 427.
My thoughts exactly. With a delay timer to prevent heat soak
Use ethanol free gas.
They increase horsepower and do away with impeller drag.
I was going to say that great minds think alike
I enjoy these on the Monte, just shows the trials and tribulations to the end of any project one takes on...they don't always follow the instructions on the box, or even follow logic at times. It's the persistence one had that makes the best lessons in life, screw the haters......they can always watch Bob piant clouds and trees......
Go with the advice from Santa's workshop. With the old style belts, overtightening the belts would cause excessive wear and tear on the water pump. Tighten just enough for it not to slip.
Randy, since your fuel pump doesn't have a return to the fuel tank to keep the fuel cool and a relief when you shut off the vehicle. Add, GM part # GF423 with a 5/16" return line back to the fuel tank...with MTBE concentrations limits.
I love the videos with the Monty. Keep your head up
Put an electric water pump on it
Had the same thing happen to me .the clutch fan is to heavy .all that weight hanging out tha fare .put a 5 blade from speedway .
Good luck my friend.
Have you checked of the fanblades are good ? They could be out of balance. Just a thought.
The ac belt is causing all your problems try leaving the ac belt off and getting on it see if that helps
What you need is a looser ac belt then tighten the alternator belt the fix is easy
Randy why don’t you just replace the fan blade with a plain blade instead of a clutch fan to remove some weight and the chance of imbalance just a thought from a retired mechanic
Randy, are you running a harmonic balancer? If the rubber is faulty or shifting it just may be the reason why your water pump gets a spike of sideward tension. Just a thought.
I'm wanting to buy this exact engine to put in my 1969 Corvette. Keep us posted.
Get a multimeter and check the voltage right at the battery. Is the best way to be sure the alternator is doing its job properly 😊
i agree with most ppl here in the comments try it with an electric fan before you replace everything. the mechanical fans are heavy and puts a lot of twist on the shaft in high power and torque builds the fan clutch also will lockup suddenly under a dig and shock the water pump shaft because of the shear amount torque i had that same problem before because i wanted to be oem just like you. after i went to a electric fan i had no more issues
The belts can be adjusted a fraction tighter until it stops squealing. Will still be loose enough to avoid excess pressure on the water pump.....
I love the Monte Carlo videos
I just like watching videos of people wrenching on cars 🙂 The allure of videos where the car experiences a failure is seeing how the owner gets it back running again. For me, at least!
Many men do
Hey Randy if you if you don't want to add a full serpentine belt setup..like someone mentioned in the comments section..add a electric water pump and electric fan setup..however you will need to upgrade your alternator with more amperage and that should take care of your water pump issues..and ultimately you won't be needing extra water pumps and belts..just my opinion.
Well, Welcome to the world of Hop ups!! Every really good hot rod I have had uses a "EDELBROCK" water pump!
Can always go with a electric water pump Randy. It would require changing so much$$$$. IDK wish I could help, best of luck my friend 💯🚘🔥🔥👍. Sounds & looks amazing 💪🫡
Love the sound it makes
Hey Randy. With the power you have under the hood. You should definitely go with an electric water pump and electric fans on the radiator.
Love all your videos Randy. Try an electric pump maybe that will solve some of the problems you have now. I just think the Monte Carlo is sweet! Always wanted one but don't really see those years where I am. Great stuff 👍.
The OEM pumps are built to certain specs, now when you drop a heavily modded built performance engine in, you cant expect the stock OEM parts to stay together for very long. Hopefully this is a learning experience and you can now do it up right with parts that will hold up with whatever you want to throw at it.
Can you try it without the fan installed or a race fan no clutch ?
Can I wait for the next thing you do for it
Hey Randy maybe it's the serpentine belt setup wider belt putting to much pressure on water pump shaft.
Good luck in getting the Monte Carlo straight Randy.
It's true. Out of my 50 plus years of being a mechanic I have never seen a water pump bend like that. There's got to be some kind of manufacturer's flaw I remember all the manufacturers saying do not over tighten because of unnecessary wear of the bearings. Never the shaft for peace of mind in the future, if it does go again I would try it an aftermarket water pump just to see if it does the same thing. It is weird though. Sorry to say I mean if it was me and it kept happening I would just switch over to an electric water pump and fan system..p.s. and no, I don't want to rub it in LOL. I wish that 40 Chevy was back in the barn at AAR headquarters for this year's event
Randy here goes....the proper way to adjust a t.v. cable is to have someone sit in the car and hold the throttle all the way
down. then hold the adjust button in and pull the cable housing as far as you can toward the rear of the car! this is the only correct way to adjust the cable on ANY gm car!!!!!
My dad had an 84 monti carlo and a 84 grand Prix I loved those cars
Electric pump and fans for the win.
Hey some led lights for gauge cluster and remove check engine bulb?
Ya know right about 1987/1988 GM went to a reverse rotation water pump for the serpentine set up on the small block like in a GMT400 lets say.. By some chance are you getting the wrong pump.. you have a serpentine belt but you DO NOT have a reverse rotation set up..
GM also make a serpentine kit all inclusive the part # is 19418818 if i recall its been a few years simce i have gotten one of these kits. It comes with all the accessories water pump alt, ac comp. P/s pump brackets pulleys belts the whole deal it use to cost 1200. Bucks or so.. good luck hope some or this info helps
Get a high performance water pump if they make them for race cars
Optimum red top batt for power drop when a/c is on should help a bit
That’s so interesting, never heard of that issue. But keep it up randy we love to see it
go for a gilmer belt drive, you can have a bit of slack in the belt but no slippage.
Maybe you could figure out a way to incorporate an idler pulley, maybe between the alternator and pump, to take some torque off the water pump.
That motley Carlo sounds soooooo good!
Is your balancer good and straight
Randy maybe buy a LSX COMPONENTS?
Pretty soon nick We'll be buying cars with you..
Have you looked at Dakota instrument clusters they are awesome and would make it a lot better to monitor your engine. I have one in my Camaro and it's amazing
Great video Randy
Good morning Randy
I think i still have a video of when we both were in the same room. So many years ago 🙂
That car sounds amazing. It's already a head turner, and you haven't got to paint yet!
For the belt that is too tight for the AC you could try to go up one size on the length of the belt to ease the tension a bit. It seems there has to be a place to adjust anyway, how did you get it on otherwise? You need to balance the tension to avoid bending the water-pump again.
Get rid of the fan clutch and stock heavy fan blades and put on a flex fan and try that before this Holley system. Could be fan under high rpm isn’t balanced and wrecking the W/Pump bearing.
It's wider and putting more outward pressure on pump, that is if the serpentine belt is running the pump.
Hope you get it all figured out! What do you plan on doing with how it’s shifting thru the gears? Those rpms are high
That Monte sounds wicked
Also should change its oil after this run 😊
When you tighten the belt, do not use a pry bar. Use your hand.
8:15 I have never seen this before on any of my GMs. I currenty have a 90 suburban with a 383 stroker. It flat screams, never had a problem but it is true it is a different belt system. Running belts too tight will screw shit up on the the pre tensioner engines no doubt.
Here is looking at 500,000 subs.
Great job Randy
You should be able to twist the belt a ¼ turn with your fingers on the longest stretch. Every belt regardless if it's a v-belt or flat.
randy add a bracket to the block and add an idler pully to the new bracket deminish the force on the water pump shaft.
Any chance that fan blade may be off balance? Those Delco UX1 radios fitted in GM cars from the early 80s to mid 90s were fantastic stock/factory radios.
That fan, does it turn all the time? If it is a mechanical fan it is big and it takes a lot to turn that thing, so when you are giving it the beans you are putting a lot of torque on it to turn, and then the pump shaft lets go, and gets bent. Take it off and try it, meaning give her the beans, I know you need the fan to help cool the engine, but just a short run before things get hot, maybe close to the shop. Personally, I would have electric fans on it, get rid of the mechanical one.
Half inch deflection on belts as a setting point
Sounds like it could be maybe the fan or fan clutch out of balance.
Looks to me like those studs are too far thru the water pump flange. When the engine revs, it could be catching and bending it? Just a suggestion. Nice build! Also u could put an electric pump and electric fans on it
I really think the suggestion for the belt the guy though you should go with is from experience with the engine, so I hope by doing this your way isn't the way to go. We'll see.
Randy we do not like to see you miserably, but take on a monte carlo is asking for it❤❤
Sounds so good
Belt tension looks fine to me. There should be an inch of play
It sounds great randy
Good luck buddy
Don't know the scenario but purchase "hard parts" (Waterpump, alternator, mechanical fuel pump,rack and pinion,etc)from dealer or dealer equivalent, NAPA ,O'Reilly ...R&R costs $$ and TIME....the other big box eh hem stores are good for bulbs,oil,filters,floor mats.
pulley alignment issue
you might need a different pully system.. something isent right, maybe a bracket is flexing when you step on it, i dono.. sounds like you need spring loaded tensioner, but its not going to fix itself.. get a billet serpentine kit.. will look really good too,
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Heck I watch the more of your monte carlo then I do the rest. But I'm a gear head.
id try leaveing the clutch fan of and go with an electric fan set up
Love that sound
Hope that helps
Sounds like you need to get a new weber rebuild able water pump?
Hello Randy. This is getting to be a headache for you. Always bending the waterpump on the 1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS. Hopefully leaving the belts loose works.
I agree electric fan and pump
In case I will sell it down the road. 😂
Have you taken one of the bad pumps apart to inspect it. It might give you a better idea of what exactly is happening.😊
love it bro!
What size pulley is on this water pump, is it for the V8? Had a power steering pump one time blowout my hose and found it had too small of pulley for the pump, What a mess that was, could’ve aired up tires with that set up. just a ideal for you,