The amount of China haters is so funny. Saying Chinese EVs will explode or the brakes won't work going 80 mph and they won't last 1 year on the road on and on. Such jealousy.
The Chinese never hesitated buying loads of German and Japanese cars when they were the better option, but now their sales drop like a rock in China, while the domestic car industry is gaining market share, it's telling.
Some choose to remain in the shadows, trapped by their own limitations, ultimately shaping their own unfortunate outcomes. As you mentioned, they can be amusing, providing entertainment for those who have the foresight and intelligence to envision a brighter future
@@Rhythmattica "I try to never buy a Chinese tech product" That's your DREAM, but in REALITY, EVERYTHING you have is either made in China or has components that are made in CHINA. I guess, KEEP DREAMING!
CONSIDER how long TESLA has been around and how few models TESLA offers. ZEEKR already has the following in China (different global markets get certain cars) Zeekr 001 (2021-present), full-size shooting brake. Zeekr 007 (2023-present), mid-size sedan. Zeekr 009 (2023-present), full-size MPV. Zeekr X (2023-present), subcompact SUV. Zeekr 7X (2024-present), mid-size SUV. Zeekr Mix (2024-present), compact MPV.
👍That's helpful thanks. A lot of people have no idea how ginormous the Chinese EV industry is, making more vehicles than the rest of the world combined.
@@inCARnationAustraliaany news on the Radar/Riddara EV ute from Geeley, (thinks) on same Zeeker X platform but less pricey est $40/45 k it would sell very well.
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
I tend to agree but quite like them both. Zeekr is a noticeably smaller car than Xpeng. Interior feels equally roomy, but load space is smaller. 320mm shorter.
Yeah he's a nice fella but I had to fact-check a few things. I look forward to doing a real-world range test but based on their own numbers for efficiency and battery size, the 540km claim doesn't add up for the (more efficient) RWD car. I'd hazard a guess at low to mid 400s in real-world driving with mix of urban and freeway. Will let everyone know!
@@inCARnationAustralia Any EV that is 250 miles range or more is plenty. A bloke your age has a 180 mile max limit on your bladder before you need to pee. All this crap about driving non-stop for 600 miles is ridiculous.
@@honesty_-no9he That's pretty funny and not a bad point, but a little ageist. But I do have a contractual agreement with my bladder that says I can and regularly do more than 5 hours without a pit stop. Having said that, I do enjoy the coffee and toastie stops and try not to rush on those interstate trips. But Pancake (my bladder's name) just said he is not really comfortable with being chatted about in a public forum.
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
@@GallAnonim-jx2cz Tesla started earlier and that's all. I know it's hard for anyone to catch up with the explosive development of the Chinese EV industry. Oh wait, just giving you some basic knowledge, 20% is how much a car depreciates typically after the first year.
The fact is almost very new car these days is pretty damn good, the trick is how they are to live with, how well built they are and and hoe reliable they are. For the sake of your viewers, they really need to lend you a car for a long term test of at least six months, ideally twelve so you can better comment on the car to live with. Not from any selfish reason of a free car of course, purely for our benefit, I understand the sacrifice entailed with being lent a new brand new car on your part for purely our benefit 😃😄😅
You're right but those helpful long-term reviews probably come from long-term owners. We're unlikely to be in that position. I think a key unknown is not so much servicing or reliability, it's (a) availability and delays in getting panels and parts after a crash and (b) the lack of in-depth knowledge at the appointed local workshop chains (such as Ultratune, myCar, etc) with whom the importer/distributor builds relationships. Regular servicing will be easy and infrequent, but for hard-to-diagnose faults I think it's probably a bit of an unknown. Some brands like MG are well established now with well-trained local techs, but the new brands' experts could be thin on the ground in this country. It's a gamble I'd be prepared to take though for some of them.
Test drove recently. Consider noise levels and if interior trim matches the price. RWD is under spec. Price for Lux package for RWD designed to upsell into $72k AWD. Great street appeal. Auto park flaky. Trunk size is rather small. In China, the larger 7X is just 5-10% more expensive, food for thought and investigation!
Thanks for the review. Zeeker X vs Xpeng G6 vs Deepal S05/S07 - hmm... all great packages when compared to the Tesla Model Y. However, what concerns me is: You still can't utilise the Tesla Supercharger network with non-Tesla cars (on the whole); If you're not in Sydney or Melbourne, where can you test drive?; and Given the above, where do you go to get them repaired or serviced (such as that is)? It's these three things that keep me thinking I'll stay with Tesla, despite Musk being Musk and him forcing the dodgy Tesla Vision onto owners (bring back ultra-sonics!).
All valid points. Not so worried about servicing. More concerned about the question of how long it takes to get parts in the unfortunate event of a crash.
Oh many certainly did. But started pivoting a decade ago to EVs. Now China is such a powerhouse of (1) renewable power (2) batteries and (3) EVs, it's become economic to push hard into non-Chinese markets. Particularly as Europe and USA have realised how hard it is to compete with them, and introduced tariffs/bans, resulting in reduced demand in those areas. With a glut of production capacity, sensible for them to send their products here. Tariffs make no sense in Australia as we have no local manufacturing industry to protect. But the government still has the Luxury Car Tax to protect ... um.. nothing. Ten years ago we recognised we were a dumping ground for China's and the sub-continent's sub-standard stuff but that's all changed. China is determined to compete on quality with the big brands not just price. But price too. They started with ICE but now realise that's going nowhere.
All of these Chinese vehicles look better than Tesla and legacy OEM rivals. Cooler design, better materials and build quality, and more features. Tesla is still ahead on software/tech, but in all other respects these Chinese EVs are more than worthy competitors. I recently bought an Xpeng G9 and don’t want to drive my legacy luxury cars anymore.
Time will tell how long the Chinese manufacturers support their vehicles. They push new models out like smartphones, hope they’re not expecting similar upgrade cycles from consumers.
Yes that's the big unknown. All very well having 7 or 10 year warranties but question mark over the availability of not just consumable parts like brakes and suspension but also panels, headlights, trim, etc. in the event of accident damage. Something we can't answer in reviewing these cars.
Why is it a pre production car you are driving when the car has been sold for a while in other countries already? I think it looks really nice, we have good prices on private leasing here in Sweden and it's 20cm longer than the ex30.
We often get cars later here than in other markets. Sometimes the certification process for Australian Design Rules requires specific mods. Sometimes suspension tuning for our roads. But sometimes manufacturers regard us as a small market or unfavourable for various reasons - size, politics, support, RHD not LHD, etc. (e.g. VW chose not to sell here for many years - the ID.3 and ID.4 are only just about to be released)
Also another good thing getting tha car later, the software nowadays is almost never ready it seems when the car is released. The ex30 is a mess and no one seems to be talking about it, got a bit better though but the car has been out for a year already.. the X about the same from what i have read.
iPhones and MacBooks made in China and sold at a very high price premium. So let’s see how the China EVs develop in the market as most things seem to be made or have parts made in China.
Where the heck am I supposed to go to see this car in Sydney ?? The website has a Parramatta address, but all i found was an empty yard and nobody answers the phone. My emails have gone unanswered. Is this the way Zeekr treats potential customers ?
From what I understand, Zeekr are in the process of building relationships with existing dealer networks, but haven't disclosed who just yet. They have no plans to use a direct to consumer model. All I can suggest is 'watch this space' and hope for an announcement shortly.
@@inCARnationAustralia I don’t want the car listening the whole time. I turn off things like “Hey Siri” etc from all devices and am not interested in having a device constantly listening to my conversations. My dashcam has the microphone disabled.
@@markedwards4879 Yes it's a hot topic at the moment. I get it that people don't want their Chinese made car with 12 cameras parked in a high national security carpark reading everyone's number plates. But I wonder - does it actually stop it listening if you turn off the function? I saw it had a toggle switch but I wonder if it actually does block its ears. Same with mobile phones - we have the world's largest marketing company in our pocket or beside our bed, and we've all had that creepy experience of ads mysteriously appearing for some product or service shortly after casual chat about it/that. Hmmm.
No data from the car is allowed to be uploaded to the server, except for information related to safe driving speed. The voice and video data in the car is too huge. If you want to transmit and process this data, you need a lot of computing power and bandwidth. For any company, it is unaffordable. Therefore, no car company will monitor users. It is not worth it.
@@snowlee-ml7rr Sorry but wrong on many levels - and also not the only reason why I don’t like automatic voice activation. Let’s start with the technical and nefarious ones… (btw my background is IT and I’ve been employed for IT security in the past. These days one of my hats is working for a large AI and automation company).. - audio files compressed are very small and all of the in car entertainment is downloaded over LTE in my 10 year old Tesla, there is no AM or FM in the car. This also worked over 3G when the car was new. - Since new my car was running a camera and capturing data from outside the car and uploading it. This is used to train the autopilot software. The car would pick edge cases where something unusual happened and upload video and telemetry data, generally once you parked. - Who says that uploading data “isn’t allowed”, and who polices that? A bunch of smart TVs were found to be uploading all kinds of audio from people’s lounge rooms. - Local processing of audio is trivial these days, eg your smartphone has been able to do voice to text locally for a long time. Compared to other functions it’s nothing. - There is a huge incentive for companies to do this. The data would be valuable for marketing and could be on sold or repurposed. - There is an even larger incentive for a hostile foreign government with a history of supporting industrial espionage and human rights suppression to do this, especially for targeted individuals. Not only would they know where the target went, but also what they said in the car and probably who they called as well as the phone conversation. Useful information. Trivial as well for local processing to self identify interesting info. - Local self classification of information to be uploaded is a trivial exercise. But now for one of the major reasons that I don’t want it listening. False triggering. The number of times I’ve been with people and their phone, car or google helper has butted into a conversation is surprising. The way that this tech works is that it must be listening for the trigger phrase constantly, but it doesn’t always get it right. I don’t think that it’s necessary and prefer to have a simple button on the steering wheel to tell the car to start listening for instructions.
Yes. Model Y is 4.7 metres long, this is 4.4. Also wheelbase 140mm longer, quite a lot more storage space, but similar weight. This is a significantly smaller vehicle than Model Y.
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
Thanks for the hint but yeah nah. Passenger cars sold in China in 2023 : 26 million + 4 million commercials. BYD alone sold 3 million passenger cars in China last year. Tesla sold just 600k and their market share continues to drop. Even Geely sold 700k - more than Tesla in Chinese market alone. Speak to any luxury car dealer and they'll tell you (when you try to get a trade in) that cars lose 20% as soon as they leave the showroom and 50% of their value in 3 years. Doesn't matter whether they're petrol or electric. There are exceptions, but that's the general rule.
Teslas will have full autonomy next year in China, right now FSD is limited to America. Maybe they know that, but if they don't they will soon and Tesla will explode in the market.
Elon just realised his FSD is level 2 and that's why he went to china so he can use Chinese road to Test and train FSD AI. China is the holy grail to train autonomous AI
I didn't say "me". I said "some people". But that's fairly easy to answer. Despite making fantastic cars it seems some people are confused as to why the champion of renewable energy and electric cars who for years said "the dumbest thing we ever did was dig stuff out of the ground and burn it" has aligned himself so strongly with the gentleman who says climate change is a hoax, EVs should be banned, renewables like "windmills" are garbage, and we have a country full of liquid gold to dig up. Some people find this just a little confusing and wonder what he hopes to achieve, and what his motivation is. If he hopes to curry favour, gain trust and sway opinion, he's way too smart to know that'll happen.
Purchasing an electric vehicle (EV) without the ecosystem that Tesla provides puts these cars at a disadvantage. Tesla is significantly ahead in both hardware and software. Other EVs are like smartphones without their operating systems, they may look appealing but lack essential functionality. In just four years, they will likely become outdated. For those who are not fans of Tesla, it’s important to remember that the 24-volt architecture used in many EVs was designed and provided to these companies for free by Elon Musk. So, you have him to thank! Let’s keep the conversation focused and avoid political discussions, as they often lead to confusion rather than clarity.
What are you talking about? Buy the car, charge the car, drive the car, what else you need? Have you seen the huawei or xiaomi cars? Those are something else….
I Can't believe sheep really believe that rubbish. A Poll came out recently showing only 39% of people trust the media. This China scare mongering comes from the US because it's trying to stop China from overtaking the US which is sore loser behaviour. The consumers are the ones losing out on cheaper goods.
Not many other options. You could buy a VW group product, one of the very few not made in China. Even many of the Japanese and Korean cars are now also made in China. Better get used to it. Unless you're American. Then you have good ole' US options. But I remember my dad saying the same thing after the war.. he'd never buy a German or Japanese car. Before he bought a Toyota, then a BMW.
@@inCARnationAustralia Ha ha good point. And imagine if he (or she?) was consistent and had the same anti-Chinese prejudice against all Chinese made products. They wouldn't be left with a lot of options.
I would say everything made in China is gross. Go back home and toss out all made in China and see what you have left. People like you should really try to live without Chinese products or technology from Elon’s company.
The amount of China haters is so funny. Saying Chinese EVs will explode or the brakes won't work going 80 mph and they won't last 1 year on the road on and on. Such jealousy.
Power of 16B
As if teslas don't explode too.... Can't prevent hate
The Chinese never hesitated buying loads of German and Japanese cars when they were the better option, but now their sales drop like a rock in China, while the domestic car industry is gaining market share, it's telling.
Some choose to remain in the shadows, trapped by their own limitations, ultimately shaping their own unfortunate outcomes. As you mentioned, they can be amusing, providing entertainment for those who have the foresight and intelligence to envision a brighter future
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Picked mine up on launch day and loving it
Congratulations
Congratulations 🎉🎉 no envy from me 😢
Fantastic looking car and can you believe it, the indicators are on the correct side, I'm sold!
Well done with this great video,
keep going
009 is an amazing road-trip vehicle. Need to see it at night with its grill lights doing its things.
You Aussies are lucky to be free. In US and Canada Chinese EV models are en effect banned by insane tariffs.
Personally , I try to never buy a Chinese tech product if I can help it...and yes, thats hard....But its easy when it comes to cars.
@@Rhythmattica "I try to never buy a Chinese tech product" That's your DREAM, but in REALITY, EVERYTHING you have is either made in China or has components that are made in CHINA. I guess, KEEP DREAMING!
CONSIDER how long TESLA has been around and how few models TESLA offers.
ZEEKR already has the following in China (different global markets get certain cars)
Zeekr 001 (2021-present), full-size shooting brake.
Zeekr 007 (2023-present), mid-size sedan.
Zeekr 009 (2023-present), full-size MPV.
Zeekr X (2023-present), subcompact SUV.
Zeekr 7X (2024-present), mid-size SUV.
Zeekr Mix (2024-present), compact MPV.
👍That's helpful thanks. A lot of people have no idea how ginormous the Chinese EV industry is, making more vehicles than the rest of the world combined.
@@inCARnationAustraliaany news on the Radar/Riddara EV ute from Geeley, (thinks) on same Zeeker X platform but less pricey est $40/45 k it would sell very well.
@@inCARnationAustraliaThat's true. Car sauce boys on UA-cam went to the Chinese auto show and I could not believe the incredible cars they have.
@@inCARnationAustralia welcome to China and experience more Chinese ev brand，you can use the 144hours visa free now
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
I like the looks of zeeker over xpeng.
I tend to agree but quite like them both. Zeekr is a noticeably smaller car than Xpeng. Interior feels equally roomy, but load space is smaller. 320mm shorter.
Looking to buy the 7x next year. Looking forward to seeing a review on Aussie roads
Inspirational design. Impressive!
Good summary of all the brands
Certainly a lot of options coming out.
The driver had the idea that highway driving would get better economy than stop/start city driving. Doesn't know how EVs work.
Yeah he's a nice fella but I had to fact-check a few things. I look forward to doing a real-world range test but based on their own numbers for efficiency and battery size, the 540km claim doesn't add up for the (more efficient) RWD car. I'd hazard a guess at low to mid 400s in real-world driving with mix of urban and freeway. Will let everyone know!
@@inCARnationAustralia Any EV that is 250 miles range or more is plenty. A bloke your age has a 180 mile max limit on your bladder before you need to pee. All this crap about driving non-stop for 600 miles is ridiculous.
@@honesty_-no9he That's pretty funny and not a bad point, but a little ageist. But I do have a contractual agreement with my bladder that says I can and regularly do more than 5 hours without a pit stop. Having said that, I do enjoy the coffee and toastie stops and try not to rush on those interstate trips. But Pancake (my bladder's name) just said he is not really comfortable with being chatted about in a public forum.
@@honesty_-no9hepeople still use miles ?? I thought we’d all moved on
@@markwilliamson3185 Depending who your chatting to online I often swap between miles/k's for US/UK...
Lovely styling.
Have you checked out its cousin, the Volvo EX30? A bit more minimal, but a good looking car which is essentially on the same platform.
Jamie not yet but we will.
Volvo also about $10k to $14k more expensive for equivalent vehicles with, as you point out, fewer features.
Because we own it!😂🙂
This car is very nice
good vehicle no doubt
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
@@GallAnonim-jx2cz Tesla started earlier and that's all. I know it's hard for anyone to catch up with the explosive development of the Chinese EV industry. Oh wait, just giving you some basic knowledge, 20% is how much a car depreciates typically after the first year.
Wow.
The fact is almost very new car these days is pretty damn good, the trick is how they are to live with, how well built they are and and hoe reliable they are. For the sake of your viewers, they really need to lend you a car for a long term test of at least six months, ideally twelve so you can better comment on the car to live with. Not from any selfish reason of a free car of course, purely for our benefit, I understand the sacrifice entailed with being lent a new brand new car on your part for purely our benefit 😃😄😅
You're right but those helpful long-term reviews probably come from long-term owners. We're unlikely to be in that position.
I think a key unknown is not so much servicing or reliability, it's (a) availability and delays in getting panels and parts after a crash and (b) the lack of in-depth knowledge at the appointed local workshop chains (such as Ultratune, myCar, etc) with whom the importer/distributor builds relationships. Regular servicing will be easy and infrequent, but for hard-to-diagnose faults I think it's probably a bit of an unknown. Some brands like MG are well established now with well-trained local techs, but the new brands' experts could be thin on the ground in this country.
It's a gamble I'd be prepared to take though for some of them.
Test drove recently. Consider noise levels and if interior trim matches the price. RWD is under spec. Price for Lux package for RWD designed to upsell into $72k AWD. Great street appeal. Auto park flaky. Trunk size is rather small. In China, the larger 7X is just 5-10% more expensive, food for thought and investigation!
In China new: 38k AUD. 1 year old used: 25.5k AUD. Depreciation tells you everything you need to know:)
I can taste the sourness behind the screen😂
If they waited to release new models the price woukd stay the same. Do you want that as a buyer? Than buy german. They make a car every 4 years
the front view reminds me of the MCMURTY. fan car.
Yeah now you mention it...
Thanks for the review.
Zeeker X vs Xpeng G6 vs Deepal S05/S07 - hmm... all great packages when compared to the Tesla Model Y. However, what concerns me is:
You still can't utilise the Tesla Supercharger network with non-Tesla cars (on the whole);
If you're not in Sydney or Melbourne, where can you test drive?; and
Given the above, where do you go to get them repaired or serviced (such as that is)?
It's these three things that keep me thinking I'll stay with Tesla, despite Musk being Musk and him forcing the dodgy Tesla Vision onto owners (bring back ultra-sonics!).
All valid points. Not so worried about servicing. More concerned about the question of how long it takes to get parts in the unfortunate event of a crash.
A few weeks ago saw one with Vic number place in Sydney, followed it a bit, turned on to M5, guess went back to Melbourne. Stunning good looking car.
Reminds me a bit of the BMW i3around the rear. Why didnt all these Chinese companies make ICE cars?
Oh many certainly did. But started pivoting a decade ago to EVs. Now China is such a powerhouse of (1) renewable power (2) batteries and (3) EVs, it's become economic to push hard into non-Chinese markets. Particularly as Europe and USA have realised how hard it is to compete with them, and introduced tariffs/bans, resulting in reduced demand in those areas. With a glut of production capacity, sensible for them to send their products here. Tariffs make no sense in Australia as we have no local manufacturing industry to protect. But the government still has the Luxury Car Tax to protect ... um.. nothing. Ten years ago we recognised we were a dumping ground for China's and the sub-continent's sub-standard stuff but that's all changed. China is determined to compete on quality with the big brands not just price. But price too. They started with ICE but now realise that's going nowhere.
All of these Chinese vehicles look better than Tesla and legacy OEM rivals. Cooler design, better materials and build quality, and more features. Tesla is still ahead on software/tech, but in all other respects these Chinese EVs are more than worthy competitors. I recently bought an Xpeng G9 and don’t want to drive my legacy luxury cars anymore.
What software? Tesla is a Chinese rebranded EV including the open sourced software lol
Does this car already use Geely's Short Blade Battery which has 192 wh/kg energy density?.......
I'll find out more when I get to drive one properly but no, I think it's an old-fashioned 66 kWh NCM type.
@@inCARnationAustralia I see
Time will tell how long the Chinese manufacturers support their vehicles. They push new models out like smartphones, hope they’re not expecting similar upgrade cycles from consumers.
Yes that's the big unknown. All very well having 7 or 10 year warranties but question mark over the availability of not just consumable parts like brakes and suspension but also panels, headlights, trim, etc. in the event of accident damage. Something we can't answer in reviewing these cars.
Why is it a pre production car you are driving when the car has been sold for a while in other countries already? I think it looks really nice, we have good prices on private leasing here in Sweden and it's 20cm longer than the ex30.
We often get cars later here than in other markets. Sometimes the certification process for Australian Design Rules requires specific mods. Sometimes suspension tuning for our roads. But sometimes manufacturers regard us as a small market or unfavourable for various reasons - size, politics, support, RHD not LHD, etc. (e.g. VW chose not to sell here for many years - the ID.3 and ID.4 are only just about to be released)
Also another good thing getting tha car later, the software nowadays is almost never ready it seems when the car is released. The ex30 is a mess and no one seems to be talking about it, got a bit better though but the car has been out for a year already.. the X about the same from what i have read.
NEDC: not even damn close 😂😂
Not enough physical buttons..
Yeah agree. I hope it's something that will make a comeback. Cars have gone too far. Blame eLon for starting this button-less trend.
Not 66k on road. That’s plus ons.
Yes thanks. I was misinformed on the day.
iPhones and MacBooks made in China and sold at a very high price premium. So let’s see how the China EVs develop in the market as most things seem to be made or have parts made in China.
hows the rear view?
a lot of these cars have VERY narrow rear view.
Very tunnel vision.
saw one in ukraine yesterday
Any one know the drive away price in victoria?
Turns out those prices alluded to in the video are before on-roads, so now I believe $56,900+ORC and $64,900+ORC for RWD and AWD respectively
Where the heck am I supposed to go to see this car in Sydney ??
The website has a Parramatta address, but all i found was an empty yard and nobody answers the phone. My emails have gone unanswered. Is this the way Zeekr treats potential customers ?
From what I understand, Zeekr are in the process of building relationships with existing dealer networks, but haven't disclosed who just yet. They have no plans to use a direct to consumer model. All I can suggest is 'watch this space' and hope for an announcement shortly.
Has VW sorted out their software updating problems yet?
Don't know. I will try to get hold of some VAG group products soon (VW, Audi, Skoda, Cupra)
I’d want to turn OFF the “Hey ZEEKR” function and have voice control only active when you press a button on the steering wheel.
You can change the wake up greeting. Shouldn't be hard to come up with something funny and a bit rude.
@@inCARnationAustralia I don’t want the car listening the whole time. I turn off things like “Hey Siri” etc from all devices and am not interested in having a device constantly listening to my conversations. My dashcam has the microphone disabled.
@@markedwards4879 Yes it's a hot topic at the moment. I get it that people don't want their Chinese made car with 12 cameras parked in a high national security carpark reading everyone's number plates. But I wonder - does it actually stop it listening if you turn off the function? I saw it had a toggle switch but I wonder if it actually does block its ears. Same with mobile phones - we have the world's largest marketing company in our pocket or beside our bed, and we've all had that creepy experience of ads mysteriously appearing for some product or service shortly after casual chat about it/that. Hmmm.
No data from the car is allowed to be uploaded to the server, except for information related to safe driving speed. The voice and video data in the car is too huge. If you want to transmit and process this data, you need a lot of computing power and bandwidth. For any company, it is unaffordable. Therefore, no car company will monitor users. It is not worth it.
@@snowlee-ml7rr Sorry but wrong on many levels - and also not the only reason why I don’t like automatic voice activation.
Let’s start with the technical and nefarious ones… (btw my background is IT and I’ve been employed for IT security in the past. These days one of my hats is working for a large AI and automation company)..
- audio files compressed are very small and all of the in car entertainment is downloaded over LTE in my 10 year old Tesla, there is no AM or FM in the car. This also worked over 3G when the car was new.
- Since new my car was running a camera and capturing data from outside the car and uploading it. This is used to train the autopilot software. The car would pick edge cases where something unusual happened and upload video and telemetry data, generally once you parked.
- Who says that uploading data “isn’t allowed”, and who polices that? A bunch of smart TVs were found to be uploading all kinds of audio from people’s lounge rooms.
- Local processing of audio is trivial these days, eg your smartphone has been able to do voice to text locally for a long time. Compared to other functions it’s nothing.
- There is a huge incentive for companies to do this. The data would be valuable for marketing and could be on sold or repurposed.
- There is an even larger incentive for a hostile foreign government with a history of supporting industrial espionage and human rights suppression to do this, especially for targeted individuals. Not only would they know where the target went, but also what they said in the car and probably who they called as well as the phone conversation. Useful information. Trivial as well for local processing to self identify interesting info.
- Local self classification of information to be uploaded is a trivial exercise.
But now for one of the major reasons that I don’t want it listening. False triggering. The number of times I’ve been with people and their phone, car or google helper has butted into a conversation is surprising. The way that this tech works is that it must be listening for the trigger phrase constantly, but it doesn’t always get it right. I don’t think that it’s necessary and prefer to have a simple button on the steering wheel to tell the car to start listening for instructions.
WLTP..Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure.
Think of a number and double it...simple hey.
I like to joke
WLTP What a Load of Total Poppycock
NEDC Not Even Damn Close
Why do all these cars have the same Tesla interior?
is model Y bigger than this ?
Yes. Model Y is 4.7 metres long, this is 4.4. Also wheelbase 140mm longer, quite a lot more storage space, but similar weight. This is a significantly smaller vehicle than Model Y.
I'll give you a hint: In China all of these cars combined dont sell as much as Tesla Y. Why? Maybe Chinese people know something we don't?;) Not even 1 year old Zeekr X and Zeekr 007 lost 20% in value in second hand market already. Thing is Tesla is RELIABLE and wont give up on their models. While Chinese brands usually pull the plug on every model after 2-3 years, which means no support no updates no spare parts.
Thanks for the hint but yeah nah. Passenger cars sold in China in 2023 : 26 million + 4 million commercials. BYD alone sold 3 million passenger cars in China last year. Tesla sold just 600k and their market share continues to drop. Even Geely sold 700k - more than Tesla in Chinese market alone.
Speak to any luxury car dealer and they'll tell you (when you try to get a trade in) that cars lose 20% as soon as they leave the showroom and 50% of their value in 3 years. Doesn't matter whether they're petrol or electric. There are exceptions, but that's the general rule.
Teslas will have full autonomy next year in China, right now FSD is limited to America. Maybe they know that, but if they don't they will soon and Tesla will explode in the market.
Tesla is a Chinese rebranded EV due to trade deficit lol
Tesla FSD is level 2 same as Li auto. Nio, Xpeng are level 4 and BYD is level 3 along with Huawei Avatr. Waymo robot taxi is level 4
Elon just realised his FSD is level 2 and that's why he went to china so he can use Chinese road to Test and train FSD AI. China is the holy grail to train autonomous AI
Why would you "have gone off Elon a bit lately"? What do you mean exactly?
I didn't say "me". I said "some people". But that's fairly easy to answer. Despite making fantastic cars it seems some people are confused as to why the champion of renewable energy and electric cars who for years said "the dumbest thing we ever did was dig stuff out of the ground and burn it" has aligned himself so strongly with the gentleman who says climate change is a hoax, EVs should be banned, renewables like "windmills" are garbage, and we have a country full of liquid gold to dig up. Some people find this just a little confusing and wonder what he hopes to achieve, and what his motivation is. If he hopes to curry favour, gain trust and sway opinion, he's way too smart to know that'll happen.
ZEEKR X RWD is better. The AWD is too fast for its suspension.
These thing will fall apart after 100k on our crap roads
Price is the downfall here , still hard to beat teslas infrastructure when you price that in.
China car haters are paid 😂 next thing we know is they will be buying one after getting paid 😅
Too short for car camping unlike Model Y
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Purchasing an electric vehicle (EV) without the ecosystem that Tesla provides puts these cars at a disadvantage. Tesla is significantly ahead in both hardware and software. Other EVs are like smartphones without their operating systems, they may look appealing but lack essential functionality. In just four years, they will likely become outdated. For those who are not fans of Tesla, it’s important to remember that the 24-volt architecture used in many EVs was designed and provided to these companies for free by Elon Musk. So, you have him to thank! Let’s keep the conversation focused and avoid political discussions, as they often lead to confusion rather than clarity.
ua-cam.com/video/_XxSp-AozW4/v-deo.htmlsi=Hntd-Nd49usD5k-i 中国人的智能驾驶 比特斯拉的好，看看视频就明白
You have been brainwashed.
What are you talking about? Buy the car, charge the car, drive the car, what else you need? Have you seen the huawei or xiaomi cars? Those are something else….
Interesting video.
However,
Not supporting the ccp linked companies
But everything else Chinese made is OK.
Why what have they ever done to you or your country that was bad?
Maybe you should research the GEELY group.
I Can't believe sheep really believe that rubbish. A Poll came out recently showing only 39% of people trust the media. This China scare mongering comes from the US because it's trying to stop China from overtaking the US which is sore loser behaviour. The consumers are the ones losing out on cheaper goods.
@@honesty_-no9he I don’t own a Volvo
The worst choices…musk or the Chinese. Gross.
Not many other options. You could buy a VW group product, one of the very few not made in China. Even many of the Japanese and Korean cars are now also made in China. Better get used to it. Unless you're American. Then you have good ole' US options.
But I remember my dad saying the same thing after the war.. he'd never buy a German or Japanese car. Before he bought a Toyota, then a BMW.
@@inCARnationAustralia Ha ha good point. And imagine if he (or she?) was consistent and had the same anti-Chinese prejudice against all Chinese made products. They wouldn't be left with a lot of options.
I would say everything made in China is gross. Go back home and toss out all made in China and see what you have left. People like you should really try to live without Chinese products or technology from Elon’s company.
good luck for u
What has Musk or the Chinese done to you?
I think a small car like zeekr is more suitable for Europe. I think Australians prefer big cars, after all, Australia has a large land area
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I was there too
Diesel and petrol all the way never changing stuff electric cars you get less miles out of them facts 😂💯👌
How old are you?
@@honesty_-no9he who you talking
lol asking my age weirdo 😂😂
@@honesty_-no9he little girl
@@honesty_-no9he I’ve got a driving license so I’m old enough 😂💯