HP Omen X27 TN vs. Pixio PX7 Prime IPS - Does Modern TN suck?
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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Pixio PX7 Prime - www.rtings.com/monitor/review...
HP Omen X27 - www.rtings.com/monitor/review...
Both of these monitors are fantastic, but which of them is right for you?
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HP Omen X27 - www.amazon.com/Omen-HP-27-Inc...
Pixio Px7 Prime - www.pixiogaming.com/px7 (currently backordered until Fall)
Love it!!!
Good job mate!
good job i enjoyed the video i feel informed a bit haha
For me it's more about jarring flaws that bring attention to themselves. A de-saturated color is easy to ignore, and get used to, especially when not compared side by side. That IPS GLOW though, holy crap, it will absolutely RUIN dark games, Diablo, Doom, any dark game it's just miserable, and really calls attention to itself. I'll take the TN all day. Maybe VA, have not tried one, but IPS is a no go for me. I had IPS from 2000-2015 before I finally moved on to a higher end TN and it was a revelation. Never again.
I’ve been buying more monitors and one thing I’ve noticed is that if a high quality VA panel or an IPS with full array local dimming is where it’s at for darks. OLED is great too, I’m sure you know but they aren’t available for monitor size around 32 inches.
@@rene5871 Poor contrast and back light bleed are very different things then IPS Glow. They are also important, and the VA and Oled/FALD things do improve contrast significantly. IPS glow is a very specific issue with IPS screens and is not related to back light bleed or contrast, but is often confused.
@@mikeweatherford1847 I had a similar experience with a modern IPS 144hz 1440p monitor (apparently they all have this issue to some degree?). Games with dark scenes were not enjoyable, due to a bright-silver glow in the bottom-left corner. But even in bright scenes with a dark object in the bottom-left corner, the same thing happened, and it was a jarringly-obvious problem that I could not ignore. Moving back a significant distance helped to remove the glow, but at that distance, I felt like I wasn't close enough to appreciate the extra detail of 1440p. My experience with TN monitors is more favourable...dark scenes/objects are still dark-grey, but I found them to be more consistently dark-grey across all areas of the monitor, which I found a lot easier to accept and forget, than immersion-breaking glowing corners.
May I ask what monitor you are currently using? I'm looking for a 1440p 144hz monitor for FPS gaming mostly, but also to enjoy dark scene single player games at the higher resolution. Given my objection to the IPS glow above, TNs seem to be my only option, but there are very few monitors matching that criteria, according to my research.
@@Halasir im using an older panel, BenQ XL2730Z, it came out in 2015, and I can't really find a worthwhile upgrade to this day. Guess it's served me well. It's a 144 HZ, 1MS, 1440p, 8 Bit TN, with Freesync. IT's got a ton of features and all the bells and whistles. But it's got an early version of Freesync that works fine with AMD, but it's not compatible with Nvidia gsync/adaptive sync. Despite having LFC (a high end freesync feature, low frame rate compensation). It's been a really fantastic monitor over the past 5 years, but im looking at moving to RTX 3080 and would like to get something with Gsync compatability. The Omen in this review is really the only one out now i'd consider. I may wait awhile, the Samsung G7 looks great, fastest VA panel ever, but I don't like the curve, and the early models have had several issues already with quality control. If the issue with IPS glow bothers you, don't even try other IPS monitors, they are all the same, it's a feature not a defect.
@@mikeweatherford1847 Thank you very much for your detailed response :) It's surprising how there's no clear upgrade path for you after 5 years; quality control of these modern monitors seems to have stayed rather low, in order to pack in gaming features, whilst keeping costs down. The Omen X27 and the Samsung G7 are the same options I have concluded, but the curve on the G7 isn't for me, and I've heard quality control issue complains on it too, regarding adaptive sync flickering.
Thanks for the advice on IPS glow; I've seen similar complaints across the board on various IPS monitors; so I guess IPS is not for me. I would go for the Omen X27, but without an RTX 3080 to hit those high frame rates at 1440p, £550 is hard to justify for a TN gaming-only monitor (not very good for desktop use in my opinion due to the viewing angle colour shift).
I hope by the time the RTX 3080 is widely available, we might see some new monitors on the market, including some TNs; I'm a bit worried that IPS is taking over, now that it can compete on the pixel response times, and even the VA Samsung G7 is hitting TN-like response times too. Do you think TN is being phased out?
I love your video! Make more please!
"seeing grey almost all the time." Sounds like every IPS display in existence to me. Black levels completely blow on IPS and TN, the closest either get is "grey."
you're right but I still believe IPS can get darker than TN. OLED and VA is where it's at 👍
@@rene5871 On paper you'd think IPS and TN would be the same, but when you have them side by side you can tell a big difference in the black levels.
@@sanjokazooee8136 actually i own a tn panel and after some tweaking it got more darker than my ips, ANYWAY both are embarrassingly bad compared to the AMOLED of my phone
@@yultihaif6415 I own both and use them daily beside one another. I'm curios what tweaking you did.
@@sanjokazooee8136 the contrast is really bad out of the box, dark spods look really bright, the only thing i did was just play with the setting and set a reference image,
there is a setting to "improbe blacks" i disable it because it did the oposite and make contrast even worse
then i turn off automatic contrast and now its much better
I feel kinda lucky that my ips monitor doesn't have a very strong ips glow or backlight bleed. It's there, but it's very minimal and doesn't distract. Ironically, I do have backlight bleed on an a second-hand monitor with a TN panel. :-)
It's a beautifull video!
can you share your omen x27 settings?
yeah if you go to rtings.com, I've copied their exact settings. There's a link in the description to go to the Omen X 27's profile.
I love it!
Thank you! Have a great day
The TN doesn't lack colours it's the fact that the gamma shift from top to bottom (darkest at the top, 2.2 gamma central and washed out gamma at the bottom) even when calibrated is what hinders the TN. This is why the ips is more colourful at the bottom, it maintains 2.2 gamma across the whole image top to bottom.
so gaming with the omen in the dark would suck? or is that only for games that have really dark backgrounds
The Omen may not get super black, IPS don't either. But it will certainly, without a doubt, be a better gaming experience in a light controlled environment then any IPS panel, with there horrible IPS glow. Dark games with a Dark room is a really bad combination for IPS screens. Will take the TN all day long.
@@mikeweatherford1847 FYI: @Budafreestyle I agree, even the "cheap" 144Hz 1080p TN monitor I am using, is better at dark games in a dark room. The 1440p 144Hz IPS monitor that I tried, had IPS glow/"silvering" in very large areas of the corners of the monitor, which "ate away" at the detail of dark images, by "swallowing" them up in a bright-grey glow, which was very distracting, and turned scenes/objects that should have been dark brown or black, into silver/bright-grey. This also happened in games where it was day-time in the game, and a dark object was in the corner of the monitor. In my opinion, these flaws really hurt the versatility of IPS monitors; they would be so much better for gaming overall if the IPS glow issues could be resolved/improved.
@@Halasir Yes sir, I agree with everything you said, what bothers me is the way most reviewers poo-poo TN and reap praise upon IPS without ever even mentioning this elephant in the room. Weird double standard.
@@mikeweatherford1847 Exactly, TN's vertical viewing angles (which cause colour-shift from the top of the monitor to the bottom), get heavily criticized by reviewers; for desktop use, (where there are large areas of uniform colour like white web pages), it's not great, but for gaming, the viewing issue has never bothered me, whereas the IPS glow for me was always noticeable and annoying when gaming. If they fixed the IPS glow issue on new 1440p 144hz monitors, I would buy one without hesitation, but after all these years, they still seem to have the same problems. So if they stop making TNs, then unless VA's response times become super-fast (like the Samsung Odyssey G7), we will be stuck with IPS as the only choice for fast-paced gaming.
@@Halasir The G7 is the perfect package. I own it and love it.
The 600 € Gaming Monitor omen x27 does not have a dark spot feature. Which is present in all competitors. This is the only thing that stops me from buying this model.
Yeah the closest thing is gamma changer
Have a great day!
Serious question, Im an owner of 3 monitors LG GL850 144Hz 27" 1ms 1440p IPS / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278QR 165Hz 27" 1ms 1440p TN / Dell S2417DG 165Hz 24" 1ms 1440p TN. My Gpu is an Asus RTX 3080 TUF Gaming OC and Im playing Fast paced FPS games at a competitive level. Having said that my particular gpu performs way better at 1440p than 1080p. What I need is the absolute fastest responce time and lowest possible input lag. Dont care that much for colour accuracy as for a fast responce time and that clean sharp antighosting stellar TN motion. Having said that i realised my eyes are screen coating sensitive, what i mean i cannot stand at all that greyish tinted "whites" of a medium-heavy screen coated panel as my ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278QR has but instead i prefer that light screen coating of my Dell S2417DG where all whites are 100% whites with no gravel type of greyish tint all over it. My Question is> How would u describe the screen coating of the Omen x27 as i had an eye to insta - buy this model especially for that no input lag whatsoever, the TN panel and above all that Sweat 240Hz! P.S. i heard the coating is on the medium-heavy side rather the medium-light side..
Oh man, I’m glad you asked because there’s not a whole lot of reviewers that mention the coating. Let me tell you the omen x27’s coating is bad. Really bad. Before I answer anything else, what games do you play, what’s your budget, and what resolution do you wanna play at?
@@rene5871 im thankfull for your fast and honest opinion man. im playing PUBG, Escape from Tarkov and Battlefield 4 in preperation of Battlefiled 6. These are THE only 3 games i game rackin up more than 10k in game hours on each. So theres this riddle im trying to solve 8 years now.. and im under the impression than the extend of your monitor knowledge might actually help me, or at least point me at the right direction. My specific needed specs are ( and good luck on brakin up this riddle lol) 1. 1440p resolution for easier spottin of enemies , and for the fact that my gpu actually performs better on 2k resolution rather than 1080p 2. 165hz as a bare minimum of refresh 3. TN panel for that supersharp handling of motion and that basic technology that is by far superor in input lag and overall response times ( i dont know if u will believe me but since i was gaming all my life on BenQ 240Hz 1080p panels i can actually feel even the minor delay of inpout lag) 4. LIGHT screen coating , and here's is the catch 5. 24" monitor size since my aiming performance is emboded within my 16+ years gaming muscle memory on 24" along with my peripheral vision being on point. Price range dont even bother me.. just find me the one and i ll be a very very very happy man!
@@kostistsiutras4373 I’ll probably do a video about this at some point, but there’s a couple of imposibles in your request. You’re asking 1440p high refresh at 24 inches which has not been invented yet. For your games, especially tarkov being limited to 120fps and working better at higher resolution for the optimization it has, I’d recommend a 27 inch 240hz. I’d recommend the IPS models such as the Acer or the Alienware 240hz 1440p because the input lag and response time is only 2-3ms off which is not too bad considering you’re not playing quake or twitch shooters. I believe battle royale games work best with saturated colors and a higher resolution. I’d also look into which models have the best black equalizer to best show dark shadows. If you’re going 24 inch, I can only recommend the DYAC plus models from Benq and the 360hz from Asus which I just got in the mail. The 360hz from Alienware does not have color vibrancy so I would not recommend that. The Asus is the fastest display right now, even faster than the Benq with DYAC but you also get an ips display which after having the omen x27 I’d wish every fast monitor just came in ips. If you’re pushing high FPS 1080p resolution, you absolutely NEED a fast cpu. I have a 9900k and I’m thinking of upgrading to a 10900k but that’ll be later. You also need fast ram with low CL timings. Samsung Bdie ram is a secret not really known by many people at the moment, look into it. That’s it but I hope I could help a but
@@rene5871 you certainly did my dude, much appreciated! P.S. One mistake tho' there is one monitor close to these specs which i already own. Dell S2417DG Its a TN 1440p 165hz 24'' Light screan coat panel, and one of the lowest input lag type of panels after the BenQ/zowie brand. I was wondering if there was anything else out there to add to my collection. Thanx again! P.S. I cant go back to 1080p, I could compromise with 160+hz as a minimum on 1440p , but not with 1080p resolution. There is a gap on the market which is this unusual type of 24" high refresh 1440p panels. If u think about it its actually the REAL sweet spot. Cause u can get competitive performance by all the 3080 and 3090 at really high fps/hz and have that 124dpi pixel density (1440p on 24" is 124 pixel per inch while 1440p on 27" drops to a 109 pixels per inch) that makes it close to 4k density and clarity + the added bonus of better aiming since its a 24" size. Id say u should make a review on the specific model -if u find it that is cause its globally out of stock - u gonna be pleseantly surpized by your findings , trust me. ;)
@@kostistsiutras4373 I meant a 24 inch 240hz 1440p panel but yeah I’ve played with the dell you mentioned
hp omen x27 has good colors to be tn panel
Yeah it’s still the fasted feeling monitor I’ve tested. I’m on a Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo but honestly I miss the x27 sometimes. Feels better suited for sweaty lobbies
That's not backlight bleed. It's IPS glow.
Lmfao
Px7 prime is not a nano ips panel a simple reddit search will show that.