PSA: You DON'T HAVE TO manually take your honey from your beehive to your kiln! Just simply use your kiln and your you can make sugar directly from there since you can process stuff directly from storage and your beehive IS a storage!
Would you happen to know if there is a way to group up all the honey stacks with this method? I felt that gathering all the honey in my inventory was still a little bit faster (once you have a lot of beehives).
It's selling sugar in elin seems more legittimate because it's competing with crim ale and in lore, it's so problematic that it's possibly all the hostile "mercenaries" you find in the wild are addicts trying to scrounge some oren for their next fix
i can't remember if you mentioned this in the first farming video: if you enclose a farm plot in walls or fences, one farm sign expands to cover all of the spaces inside, can be handy for mass farming like this. only thing to be wary of is if you're using delegated farming it will make the entire plot one variety- so don't use this if you're making multiple stats per crop type! if all you want is, say, STR mushrooms though, can save a little bit of space and it looks pretty nifty having one big plot
@@Rainner_Von_Kessel it's really nifty! just make sure to be careful and not mix crop types in the fields, over time the delegated farming will pick 1 seed type to prioritize
Except that you don't seem to make higher level wines from those products, from my own testing. There's something about the Brewery Barrel that seems to erase the level of the item being fermented. That could have been changed since I last tested, however? Feel free to correct me if it's been changed. EDIT: In fact, if you level up the base products enough, it's even more profitable to just sell them directly rather than convert them into wine. Maybe this is what you were referring to?
@@andrewneedham3281 For sure when it comes to something like Mushroom -> Bonito Flake Wine you basically triple the wine per mushroom. Honey to sugar is only double AND you don't lose the crop level like converting mushroom to bonito flakes. Thus, it makes sense that high level sugar on its own or maybe cooking it into a high value food works better.
The difference between +14 honey and +15 honey sugar wine is 2 gold per bottle. But at this point foreign doors make so much that it's somewhat a waste of wood
@@andrewneedham3281 The + value doesn't seem to increase the price for wine, but the Item Quality certainly does. For some reason in my game honey needs flowers to be a couple of levels above the quality threshold before honey itself becomes higher quality. This might be because of rounding of quality be the game (tested on the beach so other flowers are not a factor).
Sorry to always add something, but from the code the exact formula for honey production is: - flower = ammount of flowers (cotton is also a flower for this calculation) - for each beehive do flower -= 3 + EClass.rnd(5 + num2 * 4); where num2 is the number of iteration (0 for first, 1 for second, etc.) - if at any point 'flower' drops below 0 no honey is produced in that cycle - if "spare" fertility is below 30 there's another check where each point below 30 is a 1% chance to fail So for 3 beehives to have a 100% chance to produce you would need 1it: (3+4)+ 2it (3+4+4) + 3it (3+4+8) +1 = 34 (min value of rand is 0) flowers and 30 spare fertility for all of them to produce 100% of the time. Adding more beehives won't decrease production (since the 3 iterations already produced), but the falloff gets stronger each time. The optimum number of hives is a little more than half of the 100% to produce (481 flowers for 20 beehives, 8 beehives is optimal for 100 flowers) Edit: Not certain why the enchant value of the honey is consistently lower than of flowers in my game, but it could be the rounding causing it to round down to a lower number. Edit2: For anyone interested the optimum number of flowers for first 10 hives is: 1 - 6, 2 - 13, 3 - 22, 4 - 33, 5 - 46, 6 - 61, 7 - 78, 8 - 97, 9 - 118, 10 - 141. Coincidentally, a single sun lamp can cover a maximum of 145 tiles.
Please don't apologise, that's fantastic info you've shared. It’s super valuable! I did try to find as much as I could about this before and I've failed to do so! Only thanks to you and people like you can we shed some light on how things actually work in the game. Thank you so much!
Did anyone try to incubate the monster/resident eggs in the incubator ? Could you get a replica of the resident is it possible to sell those as slaves . I am getting tired of statue making .
750 flowers supposedly supports 18 hives at max production according to this table I found in elin discord. For new settlements I just do a 12*12 patch of flowers (144) to support 7 hives due to minimal gold investment. I currently have 5 settlements but my meadows has 900 fertility (I silk hammered a decency before using ether dye to make a 10 quality futon and wrenched if 14 times. Now I have beds that make +3-4 soil farmers). The current ballache is managing power requirements to set up a teleporter network between these settlements Ive placed them near places like noyel, palmia and the workshop.
And now you can use those profits to buy additional land plots to make more honey farms and get even more honey. Advantage of bottle of honey over sugar tough is that grinding high grade honeycomb whit low grade honeycomb will result in high grade bottle of honey, maybe there is a way to make honey wine more profitable if there is some way of geting alot of low grade honeycomb.
When i clicked the video i never thought i'd see both drunken Madness and sugar rush impersonated by a single individual but at least now i know kessel was saying the truth given how he's been taking from his own stash for personal use XD
there's a little bit of misinfo or missing info in here (its prolly the latter) 1. honey scales off flower that scales off farming level this in turn increases sugar price and the wine, the issue here is, it scales really badly. 2. berries, sucks at low +, yes, it sells really bad and berry wine sells even less. BUT 3. berries SCALES hard at higher farming levels and there's a weird interaction about it and wine. I have a +250 berries and berry wine at that level sells for about 150-ish but the berry itself sells for 303
It's great info, thank you for sharing this! I did test honeycombs +3 and berries +3 to have a relative comparison but I certainly didn't reach levels as high as 250+
i tried doing this but the bees keep intercepting my cookie shipments and i never get paid all jokes aside, i'm curious about one thing. do flowers beyond the fertility cap still increase honey production? as far as i can tell, the only downside to going over the fertility cap is that crops yield nothing when harvested but with defertiliser you never have to harvest and replant your flowers because they never wilt.
Woah! I didn't even think about this but this could actully work! Once I recover a little bit from all this farming, I will certainly test it. Thank you!
Amazing work as always ;-) A general tip for anyone who want to try the beehive farm or just farms. if you use fench or walls, you dont need to put so many farm signs, only one works in closed areas and if possible I suggest to make it indoor with sun tables (If you build it with walls you need sun) so you can farm them and at winter. You can check the greenhouse build I made. Ofc in small scale 😀 Did you find any way to auto water them or auto use the fertilizer?
get a party of followers with the ‘attracts rain’ ether disease. each one affects the chance for rain when weather gets rolled rain automaticallt waters everything outdoors
@@Bronimin I recently got this ether disease. Should I remove it? Not sure if its bad. I get more damage with electricity but I don't usually enemies with electricity, mostly with fire. Didn't know that followers get the ether disease as well, thought they only get mutations...
It's a really good tip, thank you for sharing! You can also farm outside in winter as long as you remove the snow (and provide sunlight - just like you've said). Greenhouse sounds like a really cool idea though! Regarding auto-watering, @Bronimin seems to have a fantastic idea with the ether disease (I even thought about getting it for my main character to help with some enemies). Auto use of a fertalizer would be huge! Alas, I don't think there is a way to automate it just yet.
how did you get the non-farmer npc to have both farming and gardening? i've whipped so many non-farmer npc's and only get either farming or gardening but not both KEKW
I must admit that it was yet another thing that took out a huge chunk of my sanity. Some of the NPCs with set professions will always have a fixed job or hobby but you can set both of them for most of the NPCs ( with a little bit of save-scumming). There is also a mod for this on steam workshop which makes it significantly easier. It's called 'KK Whip Selector'. It might be a bit of a cheat though.
Latest update notes indicate that selling only 1 product will result in diminishing returns. You will need to diversify your exports to keep a level cash flow. If what im reading is right that means that youll need to sell things other than wine or the value of wine will decrease. Im not sure what the conditions are set at for now but im sure it will effect large scale operations like this.
With a honey farm you have the solution already in your hands. Diminishing returns from selling only wine? Sell some processed honey, some sugar and some honeycombs. If they don't accept that as valid, i'm calling bullshit.
Not to ruin your day but did you know and builder mode you can select seed and have it planted for you? It might be a mod but that's what I do. Also if you create a fenced off area that whole area is now whatever you put as a sign
There are other more convenient methods, where you won't have to work as much (at all after setup). Lemme give you a hint: extravagance stacks and is affected by certain policies.
Ah finally. A version of Honey we can trust.
This was unhinged... I love it.
PSA: You DON'T HAVE TO manually take your honey from your beehive to your kiln! Just simply use your kiln and your you can make sugar directly from there since you can process stuff directly from storage and your beehive IS a storage!
Would you happen to know if there is a way to group up all the honey stacks with this method? I felt that gathering all the honey in my inventory was still a little bit faster (once you have a lot of beehives).
It's selling sugar in elin seems more legittimate because it's competing with crim ale and in lore, it's so problematic that it's possibly all the hostile "mercenaries" you find in the wild are addicts trying to scrounge some oren for their next fix
Love this piece of lore!
Oh no, the egg and the milk.
oh nooo
I saw that. busted out laughing.
@@melloreaper Now we both cant unsee
i can't remember if you mentioned this in the first farming video: if you enclose a farm plot in walls or fences, one farm sign expands to cover all of the spaces inside, can be handy for mass farming like this. only thing to be wary of is if you're using delegated farming it will make the entire plot one variety- so don't use this if you're making multiple stats per crop type! if all you want is, say, STR mushrooms though, can save a little bit of space and it looks pretty nifty having one big plot
Wow! Thank you for letting me know about this! I absolutely need to try it.
@@Rainner_Von_Kessel it's really nifty! just make sure to be careful and not mix crop types in the fields, over time the delegated farming will pick 1 seed type to prioritize
Loving the 'mitchel and webb' references! legend
your most unhinged swedish Elin tutorial
ahh yes a video on honey production finally someone has done it.
Unhinged video for an unhinged game. Perfect.
Higher lvl flowers means higher lvl sugar, so invest in leveling farming too
Except that you don't seem to make higher level wines from those products, from my own testing. There's something about the Brewery Barrel that seems to erase the level of the item being fermented. That could have been changed since I last tested, however? Feel free to correct me if it's been changed.
EDIT: In fact, if you level up the base products enough, it's even more profitable to just sell them directly rather than convert them into wine. Maybe this is what you were referring to?
@@andrewneedham3281 For sure when it comes to something like Mushroom -> Bonito Flake Wine you basically triple the wine per mushroom. Honey to sugar is only double AND you don't lose the crop level like converting mushroom to bonito flakes. Thus, it makes sense that high level sugar on its own or maybe cooking it into a high value food works better.
The difference between +14 honey and +15 honey sugar wine is 2 gold per bottle. But at this point foreign doors make so much that it's somewhat a waste of wood
@@andrewneedham3281 The + value doesn't seem to increase the price for wine, but the Item Quality certainly does.
For some reason in my game honey needs flowers to be a couple of levels above the quality threshold before honey itself becomes higher quality. This might be because of rounding of quality be the game (tested on the beach so other flowers are not a factor).
I love the farm skit ya borrowed from lmao, classic.
Great energy for a guide on getting rich
So it all comes down to making wine again anyway take me out of this hell take me out of this hell take me out of this hell
Sorry to always add something, but from the code the exact formula for honey production is:
- flower = ammount of flowers (cotton is also a flower for this calculation)
- for each beehive do flower -= 3 + EClass.rnd(5 + num2 * 4); where num2 is the number of iteration (0 for first, 1 for second, etc.)
- if at any point 'flower' drops below 0 no honey is produced in that cycle
- if "spare" fertility is below 30 there's another check where each point below 30 is a 1% chance to fail
So for 3 beehives to have a 100% chance to produce you would need 1it: (3+4)+ 2it (3+4+4) + 3it (3+4+8) +1 = 34 (min value of rand is 0) flowers and 30 spare fertility for all of them to produce 100% of the time.
Adding more beehives won't decrease production (since the 3 iterations already produced), but the falloff gets stronger each time.
The optimum number of hives is a little more than half of the 100% to produce (481 flowers for 20 beehives, 8 beehives is optimal for 100 flowers)
Edit: Not certain why the enchant value of the honey is consistently lower than of flowers in my game, but it could be the rounding causing it to round down to a lower number.
Edit2: For anyone interested the optimum number of flowers for first 10 hives is: 1 - 6, 2 - 13, 3 - 22, 4 - 33, 5 - 46, 6 - 61, 7 - 78, 8 - 97, 9 - 118, 10 - 141. Coincidentally, a single sun lamp can cover a maximum of 145 tiles.
Please don't apologise, that's fantastic info you've shared. It’s super valuable! I did try to find as much as I could about this before and I've failed to do so! Only thanks to you and people like you can we shed some light on how things actually work in the game. Thank you so much!
Did anyone try to incubate the monster/resident eggs in the incubator ? Could you get a replica of the resident is it possible to sell those as slaves . I am getting tired of statue making .
Nice Mitchell and Webb reference
I was just trying to find more information on honey production last night. Get out of my walls.
I'm actually hiding in your wifi :)
This was just soo perfect!
The thumbnail tells me this method will sneakily redirect my profits somewhere else...
Ah, I see you've discovered the power of the honey to sugar wine pipeline.
It's right up there with fish wine, but significantly sweeter.
Hopefully next time I will discover the power of friendship :) Apparently that’s even sweeter!
The videos are getting more unhinged than before
I was wondering what the next video was going to be about... Sweet Sweet honey. Nice. I am still slumming it with logging / carpentry / sculpting.
That was such a fun and helpful video xD
Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! And thank you for watching :)
750 flowers supposedly supports 18 hives at max production according to this table I found in elin discord.
For new settlements I just do a 12*12 patch of flowers (144) to support 7 hives due to minimal gold investment. I currently have 5 settlements but my meadows has 900 fertility (I silk hammered a decency before using ether dye to make a 10 quality futon and wrenched if 14 times. Now I have beds that make +3-4 soil farmers). The current ballache is managing power requirements to set up a teleporter network between these settlements Ive placed them near places like noyel, palmia and the workshop.
Wait what? There is already a table for this? ;_;
I do like discovering things for myself but I probably should join this discord group.
at some point (quite early actually) you are supposed to sell berries raw, wine is literally 1/3 of profits if you still worship kumi
Sounds a bit like a Big Berry propaganda 🤔 (but you are right :)
Yea three towns one mushroom wood. Main and the last just wood. Was high when farmer
0:43 "Look at all this milk. [IT COMES OUT OF ME!] I am gonna make a bloody fortune."
Saw a base where some one was breeding gold putits for gold bars.
And now you can use those profits to buy additional land plots to make more honey farms and get even more honey.
Advantage of bottle of honey over sugar tough is that grinding high grade honeycomb whit low grade honeycomb will result in high grade bottle of honey, maybe there is a way to make honey wine more profitable if there is some way of geting alot of low grade honeycomb.
When i clicked the video i never thought i'd see both drunken Madness and sugar rush impersonated by a single individual but at least now i know kessel was saying the truth given how he's been taking from his own stash for personal use XD
You are doing the lords work
there's a little bit of misinfo or missing info in here (its prolly the latter)
1. honey scales off flower that scales off farming level this in turn increases sugar price and the wine, the issue here is, it scales really badly.
2. berries, sucks at low +, yes, it sells really bad and berry wine sells even less.
BUT
3. berries SCALES hard at higher farming levels and there's a weird interaction about it and wine.
I have a +250 berries and berry wine at that level sells for about 150-ish but the berry itself sells for 303
It's great info, thank you for sharing this! I did test honeycombs +3 and berries +3 to have a relative comparison but I certainly didn't reach levels as high as 250+
i tried doing this but the bees keep intercepting my cookie shipments and i never get paid
all jokes aside, i'm curious about one thing. do flowers beyond the fertility cap still increase honey production? as far as i can tell, the only downside to going over the fertility cap is that crops yield nothing when harvested but with defertiliser you never have to harvest and replant your flowers because they never wilt.
Does defertilizer prevent them from wilting in the winter time?
Woah! I didn't even think about this but this could actully work! Once I recover a little bit from all this farming, I will certainly test it. Thank you!
Amazing work as always ;-)
A general tip for anyone who want to try the beehive farm or just farms. if you use fench or walls, you dont need to put so many farm signs, only one works in closed areas and if possible I suggest to make it indoor with sun tables (If you build it with walls you need sun) so you can farm them and at winter. You can check the greenhouse build I made. Ofc in small scale 😀
Did you find any way to auto water them or auto use the fertilizer?
get a party of followers with the ‘attracts rain’ ether disease.
each one affects the chance for rain when weather gets rolled
rain automaticallt waters everything outdoors
@@Bronimin I recently got this ether disease. Should I remove it? Not sure if its bad. I get more damage with electricity but I don't usually enemies with electricity, mostly with fire. Didn't know that followers get the ether disease as well, thought they only get mutations...
It's a really good tip, thank you for sharing! You can also farm outside in winter as long as you remove the snow (and provide sunlight - just like you've said). Greenhouse sounds like a really cool idea though! Regarding auto-watering, @Bronimin seems to have a fantastic idea with the ether disease (I even thought about getting it for my main character to help with some enemies). Auto use of a fertalizer would be huge! Alas, I don't think there is a way to automate it just yet.
the finger emotes got me rolling XDD
how did you get the non-farmer npc to have both farming and gardening? i've whipped so many non-farmer npc's and only get either farming or gardening but not both KEKW
I must admit that it was yet another thing that took out a huge chunk of my sanity. Some of the NPCs with set professions will always have a fixed job or hobby but you can set both of them for most of the NPCs ( with a little bit of save-scumming). There is also a mod for this on steam workshop which makes it significantly easier. It's called 'KK Whip Selector'. It might be a bit of a cheat though.
Latest update notes indicate that selling only 1 product will result in diminishing returns. You will need to diversify your exports to keep a level cash flow. If what im reading is right that means that youll need to sell things other than wine or the value of wine will decrease. Im not sure what the conditions are set at for now but im sure it will effect large scale operations like this.
With a honey farm you have the solution already in your hands.
Diminishing returns from selling only wine? Sell some processed honey, some sugar and some honeycombs.
If they don't accept that as valid, i'm calling bullshit.
@patrickaycock3655 I didn't get around to reading new patch notes but thank you for letting me know about this. I will look into it.
High+ produce sell better as is than than wine
You CANNOT lose!! 👌
How many in-game days did it take to stockpile all those 2,500+ honey from the beehives?
I think it did take me a bit less than five in-game months. Times passes quickly with fast travel.
May I ask you what mods you are using for those cute bees ?
Sure thing! It's a '' naoT_forEggs_Replace '' on steam workshop. I have added a link to it in the video description for your convenience :)
@Rainner_Von_Kessel thank you very much
The mammoth aint mammoth though, its bloody bear!
Not to ruin your day but did you know and builder mode you can select seed and have it planted for you? It might be a mod but that's what I do. Also if you create a fenced off area that whole area is now whatever you put as a sign
haha - oh no way! Thank you for letting me know about this. I had a feeling that there might be a better way to do all this. Appreciate it!
There are other more convenient methods, where you won't have to work as much (at all after setup). Lemme give you a hint: extravagance stacks and is affected by certain policies.
Spill it please sire
Fighting taxes with taxes? ;) I like the idea!
More video plea... No less video but with this quality please🥺
Thank you, I will do my best! ;)
Also wait, whose milk? O_O
farm rice grind it up and make sake
Sake making, let's goo!
Is this video going to scam me?:o
try it with the fertility remover mod...you'll laugh on how broken sugar wine is lol broke my game kinda. not as worst is my mushroom farm thou haha
I think I have enough of farming for few days but once I recover I will certainly try this :D
Tell me everything you know about taming and breeding super pets with 9000 feat points rite meow