One of my favorite things that came out of this movie was Quaritch’s reaction every time he sees Neytiri’s arrows. He sees himself die to them and is almost immediately faced with the same weapon that took his life, and his facial expression is so clearly reading “oh shit, its _her_ ”
Im really suprised that you never mentioned how hilarious it was that neytiri and the water lady had a pissing contest about their husbands while their husbands literally cringe in discomfort it was so funny
It's not funny...it's insulting to First Nations people and women as both are Leaders of different tribes yet are shown to bicker as if this isn't a serious diplomatic event! The Water Tribe is based on M'ori and Pacific Islanders who have very strict rules on how one acts on travelling to/or inviting others across borders. In fact one of the reasons why so many Australian Aboriginals died in the Frontier Wars is that they couldn't cross the border of another tribe without permission. It honestly boggles the mind that nobody pointed this out to James Cameron when 'Welcome to Country' is a huge deal in many countries.
@@ether4211 you making it historically relevant doesnt make it less funny. In fact it supports your claims since they are very against letting them in at first
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412just because you find it funny doesn't stop it from being insulting and based on racist/sexist tropes as two things can be true at the same time. However it would be worth learning about the actual Pacific Islanders this film is based off before claiming that it was normal for them to act like a pair of white families bickering over a parking spot.
@@ether4211 I'm not saying you're wrong. But you literally said they are very harsh with border control. And the wife was very clearly against them coming in. Even the chief too. How is that insulting when that's what you said. Jake literally only got let in because of clout
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 it comes down to understanding that the family unit also includes the land and water and is considered holy - so the reason why someone wouldn't cross into another tribes land is not about border control/anti-migration measures - it's more like how some houses of worship require people to take off shoes or wash their hands before entering. Where I live it was traditional that a visitor would actually be offered a seat of gum leaves so that they would not even touch the land until they had been formally welcomed and clensed of any bad spirits..and these ceremonies are taken seriously and included in civic events. In New Zealand a proper powhiri is all about celebrating the arrival of new people and welcoming them with song, food, speeches etc. following a formal greeting process, prayers and a summon from a women of the tribe. A tribes status and respect is tied to these ceremonies so it would be the greatest shame and insult to both their shared kin, spirits and ancestors to skip them - especially when they had no idea who the River People were. Ironically the more logical/realistic way this would have gone was a formal greeting and ceremony celebrating the shared history/heritage of the River and Water Tribes and it's only when they name Jake Sully and expose that he is a Avatar and the children have Demon Blood that things turn cold...at this point the Water People would be right to refuse Jake refuge knowing that the Sky People are their enemies and allowing them to stay would bring war to their homeland. It would not make sense for the Water Tribe to insult the River Tribe for seeking refuge but the decision to accept a Sky-Person and children born of Avatars would be more complex.
Ive thought this since early release premiere night; Grace was dying when she was connected to Eywa. Eywa couldn't save her body, so Eywa herself combined with Grace's DNA. In essence, Eywa is 'the father' & Grace is the mother/template. Essentially, she's Pandora's The Chosen One. In the third, we'll see her powers grow exponentially.
I got ten bucks saying that the reason Kiri had a seizure immediately after asking "who is my father" is because the answer is basically "God" and giving that answer is like trying to shove all the sum of human knowlege into the brain of an Ant. The mind just can't handle the information being given and starts to shut down.
That hypothesis makes a lot of sense and I think it's the one I'll go with but as a nerd I'd still like some confirmation on the logistics of the pregnancy. Did Ewya create sperm cells and inject them in a dead body? I'm sure there's a better explanation I'm just curious as to what it is
@@JaqenHghar. My guess in theatre, was that Ewya actually cloned Grace's DNA & added the missing chromosomal deviations, so Grace supplied both male & female chromosomes. The interesting idea, is if the added ribonucleic acids from Ewya, are actually what gives Kiri her abilities, ala Pandaroan midichlorians. After all, Grace herself mentioned the global neural networking, that she later died in connection with. Also seems to support why Cameron used Weaver for the mocap & rendering.
Fun fact humans are bioluminescent, just 1000 times dimmer than our eyes can see but a lot of animals with good night vision (like cats) can see the dim glow
@@Pattabazza i knew about the stripes thing, but i thought that they were talking about infrared radiation. i just looked it up and apparently there is actually a very small amount of visible light fotons produced so that is pretty interesting, i learned something new lol. you know what would be cool? if one day we can use genetic modification on ourselves and become actually visibly glowing. now THAT would be pretty epic
Just wanted to make a comment on the seizure scene when Kiri cries upon waking up. As someone who has a seizure disorder and has had seizures in the past similar to hers, I can tell you from experience that I have woken up in tears. To make it a long story short, the brain is basically waking up from unconsciousness and you emotions are all out of wack. Waking up in front of worried loved ones when you can’t remember what happened before is terrifying and thus leads to the tears. But your reason could also play a role in her reaction.
i had to go through that when i quit xanax, it's so weird how you forget everything before. happened once while driving and thank god i swerved right not left, i forgot i was even driving even tho it only lasted a few secs, few times it happened walking and after getting up i just 4got whatever i was holding and left it there. I hope you don't have that happen anymore, i still remember how horrible it was 20 years ago
i've only had one seizure but i woke up crying like that too because i was so out of it and confused and i am in my 30's, it was terrifying. i related to much with kiri right there
@@AngelofGrace96 I didn't know he died till about a week ago, when I rewatched "Everything Great About Avatar" because I wanted to hear that classic James Horner motif. That little trill is incredible.
This movie was a damn masterpiece to witness in the theater. Not only did it buiid upon what the first did flawlessly, but also gave Jake a lot more character and made his arc a lot stronger than before.
@@Sin3134 Way too long, every word that was said was predictable. The whole movie is cringe, storyline is generic as can be and the movie is basically the same as the first one, but way worse. The most standard characters ever (kids from other family are bullies but good people deep inside oh how creative, never seen that before!). It looked great, thats about it.
Rapid evolution is meant to be a thing on Pandora - The Metkayina are the same species as the Omaticaya, but rapidly evolved to suit their new environment with large ribcages, strakes on their arms and legs, nictitating membranes and the paddle tails that allow them to swim like alligators almost. I find it all really interesting.
I wouldn’t say rapidly. For all we know the Navi have been on pandora for thousands of years and intentionally keep their society in the Paleolithic age as it’s one of their laws to “not set stone upon stone”
@@jaythekid4728 even if they didn't have a rule keeping them stone age, the time period between a species evolving and forming what we would consider civilization can be long. case and point, anatomical modern humans(aka homo sapien sapiens, aka us) evolved atleast 233,000 to 196,000 years ago where as the oldest known permanent settlement is about 25,000 years old. add in the claim made by Hot Soup that evolution is faster on Pandora and such distinctive variation within the same species isn't impossible(of course then you get into the muddy subject of what is or isn't a distinct species, but I don't feel like dealing with that right now)
@@jaythekid4728 Keep in mind that paleolithic lasted more than 2 million years while "modern" era lasted barely several hundred. There's no need for intentionality when it comes to how slow the progress is.
@@AntrozLPs the Navi however can’t progress. They’re unified across the planet by the same super intelligence the connect to. They know as a collective progress will lead to destruction of their planet which is why their law is “not to set stone upon stone”
One of my favorite details is that the metkayina have a sign language that they use underwater. It makes so much sense that a society that spends a large portion of its time where verbal communication is impossible would find other ways to talk.
A fun little detail you didn't show is when they're talking at the helm of the ship, Quarrich is leaning on the table, and Spider ducks under him. Something about the interaction made me think, 'huh, maybe a redemption arc wouldn't be too bad'. OG Quarrich could never, but we're forgetting that Na'vi Quarrich is pretty much a new person. Yeah, he's go all the memories, but he's now in a totally different body, has started bonding with his son, and is starting to understand Na'vi ways.
Very much. Also, a bit of nature vs nurture vs it is ia bit of both and it is weird (this is definitelly not how it is called, but it is how I am calling it). If we accept that Avatar's Quarrich starting personality and memories are a perfectly replica of OG's, his first seconds of being alive instantly would set his idea of self in a diverging path to OG's. OG had never have to deal with having to accept that his body from now on is that of a completely different species, or to confront the fact he is a copy of a dead man but not really him, never had to deal with finding a person he feels a patternal duty towards to has grown up to be more like the Na'vi, or witht he fact that his actions and decisions actually lead to the deaths of a lot of people he thought he was defending and standing for (which is huge, without the functional goddess of Pandora interveneeing in the first movie, his battle strategy would have easily won, and having your belief system "just some dumb tree/nature shit" proven wrong like that shakes anyone). I know, all of this might be obvious, but the amount of people I know that even after seeing the movie aren't capable of realizing all these things would have a huge psychological impact on a person... well, it does make me question why I know so many of them :v
@@MoonBlinked13 Well, thank you! Also forgot to underline, even if OG had survived somehow, they'd still be mentally very different people. OG would have experienced the consequences evolving more gradually over the years, while Avatar Quarrich would have seen the combined effect in a few minutes. Each process impacts a person differently.
“The movie’s called Avatar but there aren’t any Avatars”. That’s where Kiri comes in. It’s going to shift the meaning of the title to the traditional Hindu origin, because Kiri is Eywa’s avatar.
OOOOOO what a good thought! I never realized. I always thought “she’s Pandora’s Jesus” but even in some interpretations, Jesus is God in mortal form. So, I love this.
“Avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, avatāra; pronounced [ɐʋɐt̪aːɾɐ]) is a concept within Hinduism that in Sanskrit literally means "descent". It signifies the material appearance or incarnation of a powerful deity, goddess or spirit on Earth.” “Avatar means "descent, alight, to make one's appearance",[3] and refers to the embodiment of the essence of a superhuman being or a deity in another form.[21]”
Kiri’s seizure scene hit so hard to home for me. I have epilepsy and when I was a teen my first seizure, the last thing I remembered was me standing up to get food. When I woke up I was so scared, my heart was racing and all I saw was my mom. When she told me what happened and said it was alright and that she was here, I was crying so hard. I continue to cry about those memories of me waking up so scared and my mom was always there to help and comfort me in my worst 20:58
It's way more amazing if you know that he had those inspiration from his own dream and imagination, draw it on the paper, and boom, enter the top 3 highest grossing films
He didn’t go to school but he did learn filmmaking at the libraries and had huge folders with everything, so he did learn hard, it’s not like he was gifted this knowledge
Really appreciate this series. You really do cover the best part of this movie; how comfortable the alien environment becomes as we adapt to it with the Sulleys
It’s been a long wait, but the film was worth it. I can’t wait to see where the franchise goes from here. Especially with the other biomes and cultures that thrive in them.
Honestly I love the metkayinas arms/hands because it sort of makes you think of the navi evolution. Were the omatakaya the “original” navi and did the metkayina gain the larger ribs, 2nd eyelids etc after years of evolution and adapting to their environment ? Or did they just come about like that? I wonder if the future tribes in the 3rd movie will also have adaptations that help them suit there environment?
In humans, Africans are known to be the oldest people, race, in the world, this is due to us originating from Africa. African people technically being the first people. We see the monkey like animal that’s very similar to Na’vi in the jungle, so we can assume that, unless they’re like the Asian monkeys, the Na’vi originated from the jungle, even if they looked very different to how they do know.
@@kshamwhizzle6544 I believe Pandora is supposed to be a lot smaller than Earth - a moon rather than a planet. I know there's no rule that says moons *_have_* to be small, but I'm pretty sure this one is. Granted, a smaller surface area is no guarantee that fewer languages will emerge (Europe alone has more than 120 widely spoken languages), but we should also keep in mind just how *_interconnected_* all of Pandora's lifeforms are with each other. Every living thing is connected to every other living thing through an enormous, de-centralised biological network that covers the entire world. A common, universal language would almost certainly develop in such a situation. What I'm curious about _now,_ is whether or not there are actually *_any_* distinct languages on Pandora, in the same way that English is distinct from Japanese, or German? Do any of the tribes have their own languages for talking to each other, using the 'common tongue' only when they need to communicate with outsiders? Are there variations or differing dialects of that common language, like with British English, American English, Scottish English and so on, or is the language we see in the movies the only one? This is the kind of thing I really love about fictional fantasy / sci-fi universes like this one - you can never run out of interesting questions or details to discuss.
God I absolutely loved this movie. It expanded Jake's character to the 10th degree and it was awesome seeing him mix Naavi and human culture in his family
Love this movie! A few things. Tuk is so so darn cute. Her "Lo'ak I'm listening" was sooo adorable. The other thing... I don't like how little Netriyi was used in this. Zoe Saldana does a fantastic job and I feel like they dont give her enough screentime.
This!!! Omg this! I was so disappointed that Netriyi has so little screentime in this! Ya know, other than when she just freaken goes OFF at the end (i.e. the best part of this movie lol) I mean, I get that this was very much meant to focus on the kids, because honestly, Jake doesn't really do a ton either. But I would have liked to just see a few extra scenes of the parents learning and adapting to the new clan and stuff too. Still an amazing movie though, was such a wild experience to see in 3D!
This movie was just so beautiful. Not only was the animation and graphics some of the best I’ve ever seen in theaters, but the story really moved me. I felt emotionally shaken by the end, it was an incredible experience and I recommend you watch the whole thing for yourself!!
This is why I love avatar because everything in it feels realistic, from the near future technology to the alien wildlife that exist on Pandora, since Pandora is a moon that is slightly smaller than Earth only having 0.8G compared to Earth’s 1.0G might explain why the land creatures of Pandora have six limbs in order to compensate for the light gravity. After all Colonel Quaritch in the first movie does say “this gravity will make u soft” Also the Tulkuns of Pandora remind a lot of Humpback whales along with their amazing altruistic behavior! This truly shows how much they studied while making the movie. Freakin awesome!
Quaritch is honestly the greatest part of this movie, he's the big driving force behind the plot and the fact that his character is on a new and very intriguing path as a Recom/Na'vi despite his distain for them in the previous movie just ties it all together. Bit of a shame you don't like him. I get it, he's the villain but he's a good one and honestly he deserves a lot of love for that.
@@CedricBassman The thing that I've always found to be the *_most_* interesting about Quaritch is that his character could be lifted out of either of the these two movies (especially the first) and then transplanted, beat for beat, line for line, into pretty much any generic-80s-tough-guy-action-flick (think: Chuck Norris, Stallone, Clint Eastwood, etc.) and he'd be *_THE HERO._* He's not like some mustache twirling, evil for evil's sake, Bond villain type - he's pretty damned sure he's the *_good guy_* in all of this: The gruff but caring leader who looks after his people, who values loyalty and determination and resolve. The one who makes the difficult choices and gets the job done. Naturally, *_I_* don't think he's the good guy, but I still find it fascinating to see them playing with and subverting the 80s muscle headed hero archetype like this. They're not even twisting or altering the trope to make it fit, or parodying or mocking it - just playing it perfectly straight, and it fits *_exactly._* I'm probably explaining things badly, but I hope I've made my point - next time you watch Avatar, imagine Chuck Norris's character from The Delta Force pasted on top of Quaritch, or Clint Eastwood's character from Heartbreak Ridge. It's almost spooky.
The na'vi do have something similar to melanin, it's just blue colored. And a lot of their stripes are something humans do have, it's just not visible to the human eye. As for light levels, because of the moons combined with sun proximity they experience more constant light, with many of their nights being closer to earth dusk. That said, it was also said that they tan to a more purple skin tone, so it doesn't speak a whole lot on if they can get a sunburn.
Another win for the “this is a family, not a squad” scene is the foreshadowing. Jake says “I thought we lost them” and if you think about it, as parents it’s likely him and Neytiri’s biggest fear. Then Neteyam dies and that fear is realised, it’s all very unfortunate really
James Cameron once again shows filmmakers exactly how it’s done… I’ve said it a thousand times before: Never doubt him! Avatar The Way of Water is how you do EPIC blockbuster-ing! Emotional, visceral and as big as films get! Go see it and experience something you have never seen before on the biggest screen you can possibly find… I am relieved and happy to say that Avatar The Way of Water is worth the 13 year wait! I can remember seeing the first film all the way back in 2009, and I was honestly blown away by it! I was 12 years old when I saw the first film and now I’m 25 seeing the second film, let that sink in… I can remember thinking that it was the coolest thing I had ever seen! I honestly had never seen anything quite like it before? To be honest, at the time, I don’t think anyone had! But I never once thought that their would be a sequel 13 years later… Avatar The Way of Water is truly phenomenal! Bigger, surprisingly better and more emotional than the first… This sequel is to no one’s surprise; visually breathtaking, visceral and incredibly engrossing! The story, the spectacle, the spirituality, the sheer beauty… This is filmmaking and storytelling at it’s very best! To no one’s surprise, Avatar The Way of Water pushes CGI and visual storytelling to new places we’ve never seen before onscreen, and uses the word ‘Family’ more than any Fast and Furious film… While some of the new characters are underutilised, Pandora is once again the star of the show. It’s miraculously realised, the underwater stuff is just glorious and the final act is full of mind blowing action! James Cameron's level of perfectionism translates to the audience; the details of every frame are precise and I can't help but wonder how on Earth he has done that? With every pulse and vibration from the active non-stop pictures onscreen, to every thump of heartbeat and every resurfacing bubble of air, and from every fall of raindrops and rumbles of thunder to the crashes of waves and splashes of wings and tails, The Way of Water reveals a triumphant return to Pandora, but this time Pandora is way more blue and beautiful… Overall, James Cameron has once again crafted a visual masterpiece, with the most impressive CGI I have ever seen! The dense foliage of Pandora’s lush jungles and the hyper realistic water effects are honestly a sight to behold. I found myself gawking at the insane level of detail in every single frame, and I could not believe my eyes… The work that went into the characters though, is what truly blew my mind! The expressiveness in their eyes, the subtle details in their skin and the way they move for CG characters that felt as real as any of the human actors in the film… This is arguably the definitive theatrical experience of 2022!
There are like a zillion details to love in this film but I want to point out two because even the small details are character-driven: Lo'ak is furious when he sees Aonung after returning, and starts to march at him hard. But look at his face when Aonung's dad pushes him to his knees and shames him in front of the others: instant recognition and sympathy. The other is how Tuk is the first one to touch the water when the Sully's land. She gets off and does a little swipe with her left foot into the ocean. Then starts walking straight toward the sea clan, leaving her family well behind her until Ney'tiri calls her back. The kid is fearless ("Are there any dead bodies up there?), though as we see later, not yet wise.
Something I noticed about this movie is that the Na'vi also progressed greatly with their warfare technology. In the first movie, their arrows bounced harmlessly off of the airship windows. Now, they sail right through the presumably bullet resistant glass, taking out the pilots in an instant.
20:14 I have some theories about that abrupt cut of their conversation. When the doctor was going to say something about Eywa, that feels like she was telling a BIG secret. For me, Eywa is an organism like Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy, the planet have a neural system and the trees of souls are the most accessible way to communicate with her. The way Grace was pull back looks like Eywa "pull the plug" because a human mind isn't the same chemistry has a Navy so she can't fully control what Grace says. The things I've read in the tie-in/alternate comics is that Navy are suspiciously space capable. Like they are in fact a alien species from outside Pandora and crash on it and evolve on the planet generation later, but the deep encoded gene didn't disappeared.
A neat little detail I think you missed is that when Quaritch says "I'll be nice. Once. Then I won't be." On the last line you can see his ears flatten back the same way the Na'vi do as they hiss in aggression, showing that he is being genuine in his threat.
A small detail that should absolutely be a win is when the Sully's take a family photo the flash causes all their cat eyes to glow bright green and mess up the photo. That got a big laugh in my cinema screening.
I love comparing my reaction to the setting of these movies compared to others. I see the forests from the first movie and I’m just like “nope, too many bugs. Not a shot” but I see everything here (yes, even the shark things) and I’m in my happy place. Then I see reactions like this and it is the polar opposite to me. I love it.
I gotta say my favourite thing to do when watching this movie is to do the breath holds. Slowing your heart the way Tsireya showed is the only reason I could. After 4 watches, I finally made it through the final scene with air to spare!
I watched this movie about a 2 weeks after it released. And I fell in love all over again. I cried so hard at the end. It has always had such a hold on me.
4:13 the first Venture Star never landed on Pandora but stayed in orbit around the moon, while two giant shuttles that function like planes that don’t burn entire forests down, as we’ve seen in the first movie. The Na’vi ended up hating the humans over time because of their destruction of the forest by mining minerals. The Na’vi were the first to attack, but only because the humans were literally uprooting and destroying their homelands.
13:44 you must've not really watched the update video on corridor crew. Yes they had a harness but the shot was still mostly cgi. Only the hand and the strap is real. Everything else, the water, the harness, the arms are 100% cgi.
Yeh, that struck me as odd since he mentioned that he saw the 'correction' video with the weta guy, but took the wrong conclusion from it? Regardless, yeh, I remember that the entire shot *other* than the had as being CGI in the final film, but that they did do it all practically *first*.
I love that you finally did a video on this movie too. The Avatar 1 & 2 are among my favourite movies. 😍 (And it makes me sad that so many people hate it for seemingly no reason)
I saw this in 3d and it was done very very well and really added to a lot of the vfx. It wasnt abrasive either and never hurt my eyes like some 3d movies.
I'd like to say that this movie was not just eye-candy like the die-hard haters would like you to believe. The story was also very good, and especially resonated with an upcoming parent like me.
20:49 the answer is, we actually do have bioluminescence, we just cant see it ourselves because its on an invisible spectrum. we also have stripes, which also cant be seen. but it makes me wonder that if we cant see our glow, do you think the navi cant see their glow too?
Ngl my favorite new detail I noticed on rewatching (at home, with headphones) is that in that little wrestling bout one of the Metkayina boys uses their tail to SLAPP Lo'ak or Neteyam and they most definitely used a fish for the sound. It cracks me up
I honestly see the webbed fingers and flattened tails as something similar to different skin colours or different nose shapes or eye shapes among humans. They are random differences in birth that lead to superior outcomes in specific environments, so they continued among generations. I wouldn't call the Metkayina and Omaticaya different species, just different races
Agreed, it's pretty disturbing that the video keeps insulting the Water Tribes when they are clearly designed to resemble Pacific Islanders and the tall/lanky build of the Forest Tribe is common in African and Aboriginal Australians...so the scene of them meeting is really disrespectful and ignores the long history of trade between First Nations people...and the comment that 'all Forest People look the same' is especially gross when they are clearly designed to look like a mix of African and Native American people in a story that rips from the real world conflicts in South America, the Pacific and Africa between mining companies and communties who live there.
7:44 -- as far as I'm aware the relationship between Paz and Quaritch was consensual. I mean their relationship wasn't exactly allowed, it did break military/RDA rules, but put a bunch of humans on a planet light-years away from Earth, in confined air tight buildings....some hanky panky is bound to happen. Humans be very hanky panky minded creatures. In the comics the relationship between Paz and Quaritch was mutual they had feelings for one another. As far as I'm aware Spider wasn't planned, but when you do the sideways shuffle so many times a little baby is bound to happen. Edit: I'd bet Quaritch tried to talk Paz out of going on the mission against the Tree of Souls because she either had just given birth or the fact Spider was so little. But like Ronal, I bet Paz didn't want to be left behind and she wanted to fight for her new found family.
Hopefully after this two-part review, we might see your thoughts on D&D:HAT? Really looking forward to your thoughts on that one! Worked a bit on it, and it’s kinda dear to my heart as the first film I’ve got a credit in ^^
@@Mexicanhanu layout artist. lil vfx role but v important to the process, and we’re rarely discussed in process. thanks for watching it; glad you enjoyed! ^^
At 7:13, Grace was impregnated by Eywa. Na’vi’s are pregnant for 12 months, unlike humans who are pregnant for 9 months. Grace wasn’t pregnant at the time of her death, and if she was, Kiri and Neteyam would be the same age. (As Neytiri was pregnant at the end of the 1st movie) Neteyam is 15 and Kiri is 14, meaning that Grace was impregnated after her death. This also explains why Kiri has a connection to Eywa.
Cinema wins, I don’t know if you will read this, but could you please, PLEASE do a review on the two Wandering Earth movies? They’re one of my favourite sci-fi series❤
So I'm currently taking anthropology and for something to be considered the same species they must be able to breed offspring that can then breed after. Humans in neanderthals were able to breed viable offspring I'm pretty sure. So I think the water tribe and the forest tribe would be of the same "species" . It's like with Darwin's birds and how on one island. They have bigger beaks and smaller eyes because of evolution but on another island they've adapted differently, Just because they look different doesn't mean that they couldn't breed I believe.
Someone commented something like this on another compilation for Quaritch/Recom team. It's really cool to see na'vi with oakley gear, plate carriers and hydration packs. An elite team of operators as avatars is a really cool idea that feels very Sequel-y like a what-if idea in the early phases of writing the screenplay. Edit: also I love how Quaritch's response to the general is similar to jake asking how he'll know if the ikran will choose him "it will try to kill you" "outstanding" maybe that's just a marine thing or a james cameron thing
The end of this movie made me want more. I can’t get over and beautiful everything looks, how intriguing the characters are. And Tsireya is such a doll!
Avatar is still my favorite movie and I'm so excited to see what Jim and his team bring to theaters in Avatar 3. Say what you want for the overused "going native" plot archetype, the effects are not the only amazing thing in the movie. The performance of the actors in both films, the emotions they can convey amazes me, i still feel like i got emotionally hit by a truck when Neytiri tells Jake he will never be one of the people. JC makes dialogue that sticks with you and can bring an amazing cast together.
Agreed. I'm always kind of puzzled when people complain about a plot or a story being too simplistic, or object to certain archetypes that keep appearing. There's a very good reason that writers keep coming back to those archetypes and tropes. It's the same reason that particular chords, chord progressions, scales and rhythms keep popping up in music - because they're really good, they're familiar, and audiences tend to like them. They're literally baked in to our shared cultural identity on a fundamental level. Likewise, many of the best, and most widely loved stories from all across human history are simple and uncomplicated. The kind of thing you can outline and relay in just a few minutes. Those are the stories that spread, wherever they're told, being passed on and on and on from person to person. A plot that takes several hours to properly explain, requiring charts, reference materials and cross referenced background information, isn't going to spread anywhere near as far. There's also the fact that the simple, widely known tropes and archetypes can be easily adapted, modified, updated and reformed into anything the writer wants. They make for a rock solid, reliable foundation that literally *_anything_* can be built upon - The 'going native' plot framework for example, was capably used for both Dances With Wolves and Avatar, each becoming enormously popular and successful, and each one being markedly distinct from the other despite the core stories being pretty much identical. The sad fact that so many people are seemingly so reluctant to allow themselves to simply *_enjoy_* things is something else I find puzzling - it's like sulky and defensive negativity is a kind of virus that spreads through the internet . . .
Upon my second viewing, I noticed the prominence of subtleties in this movie - in terms of facial expressions, dialog, and character interactions. Kind of impressive, in and of itself...
When the chief talk about the "shame of being useless, for me it felt more like a mix of a demand to welcome them and a warning to the Sully to not be useless to his village.
I have a small theory on why all the animals and plants seems to comunicate and adapt to one another: The whole planet is just one giant mycelium network. So I think that somewhere along the evolutionary path of Pandora, a fungus grows out of control or becomes so engrained to the the ecosystem that its like the ecosystem is more apart of it then it is apart of the ecosystem. Either way, the fungus becomes one with everything and as such, life is now evolving around this mycelium, trying to get nutrients from it, use it to communicate with other groups, etc. Soon, (or over millions of year of evolution soon) one type of species, Na'Vi starts to grow more apparent as it seems their evolved brains form a better connection with the myceliul network then other species, like pigeons using the earths natural magnetic waves to navigate, so much so that they are able to commune with it with their minds while not losing their individuality and even store loose memories as well. They start to coagulate around the nerve clusters (Tree's of Life) where the growth is strongest and apply themselves to it, growing smarter and more in tune with the mycelium themselves. They also are able to bond with other parts of the ecosystem as well, applying their own feelings and conciousness onto wildlife and even plantlife. It seems that the planets enviorment all have one common factor with every species that has evolved on Pandora, they are able to connect to each other with tendrils. Why? because they are the baiscally the same. Thats why they all have "tendrils" that seem so useful to every part of their enviorment, because they are literally apart of the same community. probably some deep lore to debunk this but I think it's really accurate.
I remember seeing this movie in 3D when it came out I was glued onto the screen the entire time The greatest thing about it was just the absolutely astonishing amount of detail and world building. Everything looked real! Like I wanted to dive into that ocean! Swim with the fishes! Feel the water around me!
Right away giving props to James Horner?! RESPECT! So many film reviewers completely disregard the film score, despite how critical music is to helping shape the overall shape of the success of a film.
Cameron sending so conflicting messages with this one. On the one hand, "look at this cool tech! look at these cool ships! Look at these extra-cool crab mechs!" But at the same time "feel bad about finding these things cool because they're used for murder and everything human is wrong".
I like that they showed that there's a tentacle on their head under their braids. It means that the organ that allows them to communicate isn't their HAIR.
Everything that this film is trying to do really well is done really well I feel, the visuals are obviously stunning, the concepts for the animals and the locations are incredible (I immediately started looking for the art book after seeing the film), the fight scenes look good, the acting is fantastic, and the modelling and animation is beyond incredible (I feel like the artists behind the CGI and everything don't get enough praise in films like this). The only, in my mind, weak part is the story and that's really just because it doesn't quite meet the expectations applied after seeing all the other fantastic parts of the film. The story is fine, it serves it's purpose in pushing the audience through all this beautiful imagery and I don't feel like it really needs to do much more than that for this film to be successful
One of my favorite things that came out of this movie was Quaritch’s reaction every time he sees Neytiri’s arrows. He sees himself die to them and is almost immediately faced with the same weapon that took his life, and his facial expression is so clearly reading “oh shit, its _her_ ”
Basically at the same location too.
@@shorebreakers96 Yeah, and then again at the sinking ship too.
Yeah because he wants to make her suffer so bad, dude is as vindictive as they come
I love How he takes his hand and spins the arrow to reveal the colored feathers 🪶
PTSD be a bitch
This movie is the greatest example of a 'simple story painted on the grandest of canvases'. Watching this in IMAX was the way to experience this!
That's 18million x deeper than these crap fests will ever be, so, sincerely, I give respect and props to you 👍, but fk these movies.
I couldn't agree more bud
Yeah why everyone sh*t on this movie being pointless nonsense, not every movie needed complicated story and plot twist
I describe this movie the same way I describe an Akira Kurosawa movie: simple but deep.
I insisted on going to a true full size IMAX in downtown Montréal for it. Twice.
Im really suprised that you never mentioned how hilarious it was that neytiri and the water lady had a pissing contest about their husbands while their husbands literally cringe in discomfort it was so funny
It's not funny...it's insulting to First Nations people and women as both are Leaders of different tribes yet are shown to bicker as if this isn't a serious diplomatic event! The Water Tribe is based on M'ori and Pacific Islanders who have very strict rules on how one acts on travelling to/or inviting others across borders. In fact one of the reasons why so many Australian Aboriginals died in the Frontier Wars is that they couldn't cross the border of another tribe without permission. It honestly boggles the mind that nobody pointed this out to James Cameron when 'Welcome to Country' is a huge deal in many countries.
@@ether4211 you making it historically relevant doesnt make it less funny. In fact it supports your claims since they are very against letting them in at first
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412just because you find it funny doesn't stop it from being insulting and based on racist/sexist tropes as two things can be true at the same time. However it would be worth learning about the actual Pacific Islanders this film is based off before claiming that it was normal for them to act like a pair of white families bickering over a parking spot.
@@ether4211 I'm not saying you're wrong. But you literally said they are very harsh with border control. And the wife was very clearly against them coming in. Even the chief too. How is that insulting when that's what you said. Jake literally only got let in because of clout
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 it comes down to understanding that the family unit also includes the land and water and is considered holy - so the reason why someone wouldn't cross into another tribes land is not about border control/anti-migration measures - it's more like how some houses of worship require people to take off shoes or wash their hands before entering. Where I live it was traditional that a visitor would actually be offered a seat of gum leaves so that they would not even touch the land until they had been formally welcomed and clensed of any bad spirits..and these ceremonies are taken seriously and included in civic events. In New Zealand a proper powhiri is all about celebrating the arrival of new people and welcoming them with song, food, speeches etc. following a formal greeting process, prayers and a summon from a women of the tribe. A tribes status and respect is tied to these ceremonies so it would be the greatest shame and insult to both their shared kin, spirits and ancestors to skip them - especially when they had no idea who the River People were. Ironically the more logical/realistic way this would have gone was a formal greeting and ceremony celebrating the shared history/heritage of the River and Water Tribes and it's only when they name Jake Sully and expose that he is a Avatar and the children have Demon Blood that things turn cold...at this point the Water People would be right to refuse Jake refuge knowing that the Sky People are their enemies and allowing them to stay would bring war to their homeland. It would not make sense for the Water Tribe to insult the River Tribe for seeking refuge but the decision to accept a Sky-Person and children born of Avatars would be more complex.
Ive thought this since early release premiere night; Grace was dying when she was connected to Eywa. Eywa couldn't save her body, so Eywa herself combined with Grace's DNA. In essence, Eywa is 'the father' & Grace is the mother/template. Essentially, she's Pandora's The Chosen One. In the third, we'll see her powers grow exponentially.
She's jesus basically
I got ten bucks saying that the reason Kiri had a seizure immediately after asking "who is my father" is because the answer is basically "God" and giving that answer is like trying to shove all the sum of human knowlege into the brain of an Ant. The mind just can't handle the information being given and starts to shut down.
@@ckay8145 pandora jesus, baby!!
That hypothesis makes a lot of sense and I think it's the one I'll go with but as a nerd I'd still like some confirmation on the logistics of the pregnancy. Did Ewya create sperm cells and inject them in a dead body? I'm sure there's a better explanation I'm just curious as to what it is
@@JaqenHghar. My guess in theatre, was that Ewya actually cloned Grace's DNA & added the missing chromosomal deviations, so Grace supplied both male & female chromosomes. The interesting idea, is if the added ribonucleic acids from Ewya, are actually what gives Kiri her abilities, ala Pandaroan midichlorians. After all, Grace herself mentioned the global neural networking, that she later died in connection with. Also seems to support why Cameron used Weaver for the mocap & rendering.
Fun fact humans are bioluminescent, just 1000 times dimmer than our eyes can see but a lot of animals with good night vision (like cats) can see the dim glow
is that what we call our aura?
@@Sapphire_Reacts no lol, its what we call "heat"
@@MinerBat It isn't about thermal registering, humans are LITERALLY bio luminescent, just on a scale our own eyes can't register
we also have stripes
@@Pattabazza i knew about the stripes thing, but i thought that they were talking about infrared radiation. i just looked it up and apparently there is actually a very small amount of visible light fotons produced so that is pretty interesting, i learned something new lol.
you know what would be cool? if one day we can use genetic modification on ourselves and become actually visibly glowing. now THAT would be pretty epic
@@MinerBat "Epic" comes when we're able to control that bio-luminescence.
Just wanted to make a comment on the seizure scene when Kiri cries upon waking up. As someone who has a seizure disorder and has had seizures in the past similar to hers, I can tell you from experience that I have woken up in tears. To make it a long story short, the brain is basically waking up from unconsciousness and you emotions are all out of wack. Waking up in front of worried loved ones when you can’t remember what happened before is terrifying and thus leads to the tears. But your reason could also play a role in her reaction.
i had to go through that when i quit xanax, it's so weird how you forget everything before. happened once while driving and thank god i swerved right not left, i forgot i was even driving even tho it only lasted a few secs, few times it happened walking and after getting up i just 4got whatever i was holding and left it there. I hope you don't have that happen anymore, i still remember how horrible it was 20 years ago
Not to mention you feel like absolute dogshit afterwards
i've only had one seizure but i woke up crying like that too because i was so out of it and confused and i am in my 30's, it was terrifying. i related to much with kiri right there
Also thank you Lee for acknowledging Horner’s death. I feel like most people don’t which is sad because he made incredible scores.
I didn't know he died before this video 😢
@@AngelofGrace96 I didn't know he died till about a week ago, when I rewatched "Everything Great About Avatar" because I wanted to hear that classic James Horner motif. That little trill is incredible.
To me, his best score was Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
This movie was a damn masterpiece to witness in the theater. Not only did it buiid upon what the first did flawlessly, but also gave Jake a lot more character and made his arc a lot stronger than before.
One of my best friends died 10 months ago so the ending with Jake’s oldest son passing hit me so hard
Horrible, cringe, predictably and way to cheesy movie. Trash, hated it, wanted to quit halfway.
@@JL-dp1wjcan you tell me why it’s bad, or are you hating just to hate? If it’s number two, then your opinion is invalidated.
@@Sin3134 Way too long, every word that was said was predictable. The whole movie is cringe, storyline is generic as can be and the movie is basically the same as the first one, but way worse. The most standard characters ever (kids from other family are bullies but good people deep inside oh how creative, never seen that before!). It looked great, thats about it.
@@JL-dp1wj I see.
Rapid evolution is meant to be a thing on Pandora - The Metkayina are the same species as the Omaticaya, but rapidly evolved to suit their new environment with large ribcages, strakes on their arms and legs, nictitating membranes and the paddle tails that allow them to swim like alligators almost. I find it all really interesting.
I wouldn’t say rapidly. For all we know the Navi have been on pandora for thousands of years and intentionally keep their society in the Paleolithic age as it’s one of their laws to “not set stone upon stone”
@Jay ThEkID That's true. Without proper timescales we don't know.
@@jaythekid4728 even if they didn't have a rule keeping them stone age, the time period between a species evolving and forming what we would consider civilization can be long. case and point, anatomical modern humans(aka homo sapien sapiens, aka us) evolved atleast 233,000 to 196,000 years ago where as the oldest known permanent settlement is about 25,000 years old. add in the claim made by Hot Soup that evolution is faster on Pandora and such distinctive variation within the same species isn't impossible(of course then you get into the muddy subject of what is or isn't a distinct species, but I don't feel like dealing with that right now)
@@jaythekid4728 Keep in mind that paleolithic lasted more than 2 million years while "modern" era lasted barely several hundred. There's no need for intentionality when it comes to how slow the progress is.
@@AntrozLPs the Navi however can’t progress. They’re unified across the planet by the same super intelligence the connect to. They know as a collective progress will lead to destruction of their planet which is why their law is “not to set stone upon stone”
One of my favorite details is that the metkayina have a sign language that they use underwater. It makes so much sense that a society that spends a large portion of its time where verbal communication is impossible would find other ways to talk.
A fun little detail you didn't show is when they're talking at the helm of the ship, Quarrich is leaning on the table, and Spider ducks under him. Something about the interaction made me think, 'huh, maybe a redemption arc wouldn't be too bad'. OG Quarrich could never, but we're forgetting that Na'vi Quarrich is pretty much a new person. Yeah, he's go all the memories, but he's now in a totally different body, has started bonding with his son, and is starting to understand Na'vi ways.
Very much. Also, a bit of nature vs nurture vs it is ia bit of both and it is weird (this is definitelly not how it is called, but it is how I am calling it). If we accept that Avatar's Quarrich starting personality and memories are a perfectly replica of OG's, his first seconds of being alive instantly would set his idea of self in a diverging path to OG's. OG had never have to deal with having to accept that his body from now on is that of a completely different species, or to confront the fact he is a copy of a dead man but not really him, never had to deal with finding a person he feels a patternal duty towards to has grown up to be more like the Na'vi, or witht he fact that his actions and decisions actually lead to the deaths of a lot of people he thought he was defending and standing for (which is huge, without the functional goddess of Pandora interveneeing in the first movie, his battle strategy would have easily won, and having your belief system "just some dumb tree/nature shit" proven wrong like that shakes anyone).
I know, all of this might be obvious, but the amount of people I know that even after seeing the movie aren't capable of realizing all these things would have a huge psychological impact on a person... well, it does make me question why I know so many of them :v
@@louisvictor3473 This is beautifully said!
@@MoonBlinked13 Well, thank you!
Also forgot to underline, even if OG had survived somehow, they'd still be mentally very different people. OG would have experienced the consequences evolving more gradually over the years, while Avatar Quarrich would have seen the combined effect in a few minutes. Each process impacts a person differently.
“The movie’s called Avatar but there aren’t any Avatars”. That’s where Kiri comes in. It’s going to shift the meaning of the title to the traditional Hindu origin, because Kiri is Eywa’s avatar.
OOOOOO what a good thought! I never realized. I always thought “she’s Pandora’s Jesus” but even in some interpretations, Jesus is God in mortal form. So, I love this.
@@Astrolionking even Jesus is considered an avatar by some Hindu beliefs
“Avatar (Sanskrit: अवतार, avatāra; pronounced [ɐʋɐt̪aːɾɐ]) is a concept within Hinduism that in Sanskrit literally means "descent". It signifies the material appearance or incarnation of a powerful deity, goddess or spirit on Earth.”
“Avatar means "descent, alight, to make one's appearance",[3] and refers to the embodiment of the essence of a superhuman being or a deity in another form.[21]”
FINALLY a video not mocking it unfairly, by a channel I KNOW will keep the criticism light, but fair enough that it is palatable.
That's why I love CinemaWins.
Eh, as much as I appreciate a more positive perspective, it's not unfair mockery
@@kaicreech7336 Wrong comment section.
What
"Unfair" uhuh, keep telling yourself that.
Kiri’s seizure scene hit so hard to home for me.
I have epilepsy and when I was a teen my first seizure, the last thing I remembered was me standing up to get food. When I woke up I was so scared, my heart was racing and all I saw was my mom. When she told me what happened and said it was alright and that she was here, I was crying so hard. I continue to cry about those memories of me waking up so scared and my mom was always there to help and comfort me in my worst
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The sequel that delivered after waiting 13 years for it!
Is amazing how far James Cameron has gotten without going to film school
It's way more amazing if you know that he had those inspiration from his own dream and imagination, draw it on the paper, and boom, enter the top 3 highest grossing films
He understands human emotions very deeply and THST is key.
He didn’t go to school but he did learn filmmaking at the libraries and had huge folders with everything, so he did learn hard, it’s not like he was gifted this knowledge
He went to Roger Corman Film School.
Really appreciate this series.
You really do cover the best part of this movie; how comfortable the alien environment becomes as we adapt to it with the Sulleys
Indeed. I'd hate for my Terran subjective perspective to Sulley my view of the movie. 🤓
@@chefdean7257
Cease
Been waiting on this one. Thanks for all the uploads. It’s an oasis in a sea of negativity.
IKR?!?
The negativity will never go away whenever there is positivity around.
I watched this four times in theaters, absolutely intoxicating film.
I saw it twice and bought it on Prime Video because I couldn't wait for it to come out on Disney+.
There's a deleted scene from the first movie about Norm being with Trudy, which made me rule out Norm being Kiri's father because Grace died first.
It’s been a long wait, but the film was worth it. I can’t wait to see where the franchise goes from here. Especially with the other biomes and cultures that thrive in them.
I wonder what a volcanic tribe looks like, if the producers ever decide upon that.
@@Sirvikrail a volcanic tribe will be in the 3rd movie and supposedly the antagonists (ash clan)
@@Sirvikrail I suspect the Ash Clan will be less connected to Eywa because of the harsh environment; if they do live near a volcano.
Honestly I love the metkayinas arms/hands because it sort of makes you think of the navi evolution. Were the omatakaya the “original” navi and did the metkayina gain the larger ribs, 2nd eyelids etc after years of evolution and adapting to their environment ? Or did they just come about like that? I wonder if the future tribes in the 3rd movie will also have adaptations that help them suit there environment?
In humans, Africans are known to be the oldest people, race, in the world, this is due to us originating from Africa. African people technically being the first people.
We see the monkey like animal that’s very similar to Na’vi in the jungle, so we can assume that, unless they’re like the Asian monkeys, the Na’vi originated from the jungle, even if they looked very different to how they do know.
@@tomanyfandoms1726 factual
We most likely will since they started now they cannot stop, there's a bigger World out there
@@kshamwhizzle6544
I believe Pandora is supposed to be a lot smaller than Earth - a moon rather than a planet. I know there's no rule that says moons *_have_* to be small, but I'm pretty sure this one is.
Granted, a smaller surface area is no guarantee that fewer languages will emerge (Europe alone has more than 120 widely spoken languages), but we should also keep in mind just how *_interconnected_* all of Pandora's lifeforms are with each other. Every living thing is connected to every other living thing through an enormous, de-centralised biological network that covers the entire world. A common, universal language would almost certainly develop in such a situation.
What I'm curious about _now,_ is whether or not there are actually *_any_* distinct languages on Pandora, in the same way that English is distinct from Japanese, or German? Do any of the tribes have their own languages for talking to each other, using the 'common tongue' only when they need to communicate with outsiders? Are there variations or differing dialects of that common language, like with British English, American English, Scottish English and so on, or is the language we see in the movies the only one?
This is the kind of thing I really love about fictional fantasy / sci-fi universes like this one - you can never run out of interesting questions or details to discuss.
11:29 Moana's dad was voiced by Temuera Morrison, Whereas Tonowari in avatar 2 is portrayed by Cliff Curtis, another Kiwi (and Māori) actor
God I absolutely loved this movie. It expanded Jake's character to the 10th degree and it was awesome seeing him mix Naavi and human culture in his family
Love this movie! A few things. Tuk is so so darn cute. Her "Lo'ak I'm listening" was sooo adorable.
The other thing... I don't like how little Netriyi was used in this. Zoe Saldana does a fantastic job and I feel like they dont give her enough screentime.
This!!! Omg this! I was so disappointed that Netriyi has so little screentime in this! Ya know, other than when she just freaken goes OFF at the end (i.e. the best part of this movie lol)
I mean, I get that this was very much meant to focus on the kids, because honestly, Jake doesn't really do a ton either. But I would have liked to just see a few extra scenes of the parents learning and adapting to the new clan and stuff too. Still an amazing movie though, was such a wild experience to see in 3D!
Kiri is definitely my favorite new character i hope they keep going with her character
This movie was just so beautiful. Not only was the animation and graphics some of the best I’ve ever seen in theaters, but the story really moved me. I felt emotionally shaken by the end, it was an incredible experience and I recommend you watch the whole thing for yourself!!
15:45 was such a relatable scene 😂😂 keeping the answer neutral to see their reaction, then doubling down after they’re not mad
This is why I love avatar because everything in it feels realistic, from the near future technology to the alien wildlife that exist on Pandora, since Pandora is a moon that is slightly smaller than Earth only having 0.8G compared to Earth’s 1.0G might explain why the land creatures of Pandora have six limbs in order to compensate for the light gravity.
After all Colonel Quaritch in the first movie does say “this gravity will make u soft”
Also the Tulkuns of Pandora remind a lot of Humpback whales along with their amazing altruistic behavior!
This truly shows how much they studied while making the movie. Freakin awesome!
Quaritch is honestly the greatest part of this movie, he's the big driving force behind the plot and the fact that his character is on a new and very intriguing path as a Recom/Na'vi despite his distain for them in the previous movie just ties it all together.
Bit of a shame you don't like him. I get it, he's the villain but he's a good one and honestly he deserves a lot of love for that.
I dislike Quaritch too.
Doesn't mean i respect him for what he is tho. As you said he is the Villain and he is a damn good one.
@@CedricBassman
The thing that I've always found to be the *_most_* interesting about Quaritch is that his character could be lifted out of either of the these two movies (especially the first) and then transplanted, beat for beat, line for line, into pretty much any generic-80s-tough-guy-action-flick (think: Chuck Norris, Stallone, Clint Eastwood, etc.) and he'd be *_THE HERO._*
He's not like some mustache twirling, evil for evil's sake, Bond villain type - he's pretty damned sure he's the *_good guy_* in all of this: The gruff but caring leader who looks after his people, who values loyalty and determination and resolve. The one who makes the difficult choices and gets the job done.
Naturally, *_I_* don't think he's the good guy, but I still find it fascinating to see them playing with and subverting the 80s muscle headed hero archetype like this. They're not even twisting or altering the trope to make it fit, or parodying or mocking it - just playing it perfectly straight, and it fits *_exactly._*
I'm probably explaining things badly, but I hope I've made my point - next time you watch Avatar, imagine Chuck Norris's character from The Delta Force pasted on top of Quaritch, or Clint Eastwood's character from Heartbreak Ridge. It's almost spooky.
@@stickiedmin6508 Woah, that is freaky! It's really all about perspective, isn't it?
The na'vi do have something similar to melanin, it's just blue colored. And a lot of their stripes are something humans do have, it's just not visible to the human eye. As for light levels, because of the moons combined with sun proximity they experience more constant light, with many of their nights being closer to earth dusk. That said, it was also said that they tan to a more purple skin tone, so it doesn't speak a whole lot on if they can get a sunburn.
I love that this is here and that ppl do infact appreciate this movie
I know it’s only been an hour,
But I can’t wait for pt. 2
Another win for the “this is a family, not a squad” scene is the foreshadowing. Jake says “I thought we lost them” and if you think about it, as parents it’s likely him and Neytiri’s biggest fear. Then Neteyam dies and that fear is realised, it’s all very unfortunate really
James Cameron once again shows filmmakers exactly how it’s done…
I’ve said it a thousand times before: Never doubt him!
Avatar The Way of Water is how you do EPIC blockbuster-ing!
Emotional, visceral and as big as films get!
Go see it and experience something you have never seen before on the biggest screen you can possibly find…
I am relieved and happy to say that Avatar The Way of Water is worth the 13 year wait!
I can remember seeing the first film all the way back in 2009, and I was honestly blown away by it!
I was 12 years old when I saw the first film and now I’m 25 seeing the second film, let that sink in…
I can remember thinking that it was the coolest thing I had ever seen!
I honestly had never seen anything quite like it before?
To be honest, at the time, I don’t think anyone had!
But I never once thought that their would be a sequel 13 years later…
Avatar The Way of Water is truly phenomenal!
Bigger, surprisingly better and more emotional than the first…
This sequel is to no one’s surprise; visually breathtaking, visceral and incredibly engrossing!
The story, the spectacle, the spirituality, the sheer beauty…
This is filmmaking and storytelling at it’s very best!
To no one’s surprise, Avatar The Way of Water pushes CGI and visual storytelling to new places we’ve never seen before onscreen, and uses the word ‘Family’ more than any Fast and Furious film…
While some of the new characters are underutilised, Pandora is once again the star of the show.
It’s miraculously realised, the underwater stuff is just glorious and the final act is full of mind blowing action!
James Cameron's level of perfectionism translates to the audience; the details of every frame are precise and I can't help but wonder how on Earth he has done that?
With every pulse and vibration from the active non-stop pictures onscreen, to every thump of heartbeat and every resurfacing bubble of air, and from every fall of raindrops and rumbles of thunder to the crashes of waves and splashes of wings and tails, The Way of Water reveals a triumphant return to Pandora, but this time Pandora is way more blue and beautiful…
Overall, James Cameron has once again crafted a visual masterpiece, with the most impressive CGI I have ever seen!
The dense foliage of Pandora’s lush jungles and the hyper realistic water effects are honestly a sight to behold.
I found myself gawking at the insane level of detail in every single frame, and I could not believe my eyes…
The work that went into the characters though, is what truly blew my mind!
The expressiveness in their eyes, the subtle details in their skin and the way they move for CG characters that felt as real as any of the human actors in the film…
This is arguably the definitive theatrical experience of 2022!
Totally agree, Cameron makes the true blockbuster since 80's and won't stop very soon... hype for the third
There are like a zillion details to love in this film but I want to point out two because even the small details are character-driven: Lo'ak is furious when he sees Aonung after returning, and starts to march at him hard. But look at his face when Aonung's dad pushes him to his knees and shames him in front of the others: instant recognition and sympathy.
The other is how Tuk is the first one to touch the water when the Sully's land. She gets off and does a little swipe with her left foot into the ocean. Then starts walking straight toward the sea clan, leaving her family well behind her until Ney'tiri calls her back. The kid is fearless ("Are there any dead bodies up there?), though as we see later, not yet wise.
Something I noticed about this movie is that the Na'vi also progressed greatly with their warfare technology. In the first movie, their arrows bounced harmlessly off of the airship windows. Now, they sail right through the presumably bullet resistant glass, taking out the pilots in an instant.
20:14 I have some theories about that abrupt cut of their conversation.
When the doctor was going to say something about Eywa, that feels like she was telling a BIG secret. For me, Eywa is an organism like Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy, the planet have a neural system and the trees of souls are the most accessible way to communicate with her. The way Grace was pull back looks like Eywa "pull the plug" because a human mind isn't the same chemistry has a Navy so she can't fully control what Grace says. The things I've read in the tie-in/alternate comics is that Navy are suspiciously space capable. Like they are in fact a alien species from outside Pandora and crash on it and evolve on the planet generation later, but the deep encoded gene didn't disappeared.
A neat little detail I think you missed is that when Quaritch says "I'll be nice. Once. Then I won't be." On the last line you can see his ears flatten back the same way the Na'vi do as they hiss in aggression, showing that he is being genuine in his threat.
A small detail that should absolutely be a win is when the Sully's take a family photo the flash causes all their cat eyes to glow bright green and mess up the photo. That got a big laugh in my cinema screening.
I love comparing my reaction to the setting of these movies compared to others. I see the forests from the first movie and I’m just like “nope, too many bugs. Not a shot” but I see everything here (yes, even the shark things) and I’m in my happy place. Then I see reactions like this and it is the polar opposite to me. I love it.
I loved this movie so much my parents got me an Avatar Christmas tree ornament! I don’t care if ppl hate these movies I loved them
Speaking of beautiful movies, Everything Great About The Prince of Egypt would be very cash money of you.
I gotta say my favourite thing to do when watching this movie is to do the breath holds. Slowing your heart the way Tsireya showed is the only reason I could. After 4 watches, I finally made it through the final scene with air to spare!
I watched this movie about a 2 weeks after it released. And I fell in love all over again. I cried so hard at the end. It has always had such a hold on me.
4:13 the first Venture Star never landed on Pandora but stayed in orbit around the moon, while two giant shuttles that function like planes that don’t burn entire forests down, as we’ve seen in the first movie. The Na’vi ended up hating the humans over time because of their destruction of the forest by mining minerals. The Na’vi were the first to attack, but only because the humans were literally uprooting and destroying their homelands.
13:44 you must've not really watched the update video on corridor crew. Yes they had a harness but the shot was still mostly cgi. Only the hand and the strap is real. Everything else, the water, the harness, the arms are 100% cgi.
Yeh, that struck me as odd since he mentioned that he saw the 'correction' video with the weta guy, but took the wrong conclusion from it? Regardless, yeh, I remember that the entire shot *other* than the had as being CGI in the final film, but that they did do it all practically *first*.
@@tarpeyd12 Yeah right. I was so confused and had to rewatch it. Wren knew it from the start!
I love that you finally did a video on this movie too. The Avatar 1 & 2 are among my favourite movies. 😍 (And it makes me sad that so many people hate it for seemingly no reason)
10:28 I love the analogy of Homo sapiens & Neanderthals as I believe that it really is the equivalent with the Metkayina.
I am going to say this to my grave that Spider doesn’t deserve the blame he does.
I saw this in 3d and it was done very very well and really added to a lot of the vfx. It wasnt abrasive either and never hurt my eyes like some 3d movies.
I'd like to say that this movie was not just eye-candy like the die-hard haters would like you to believe. The story was also very good, and especially resonated with an upcoming parent like me.
20:49 the answer is, we actually do have bioluminescence, we just cant see it ourselves because its on an invisible spectrum. we also have stripes, which also cant be seen. but it makes me wonder that if we cant see our glow, do you think the navi cant see their glow too?
We can't see it but our cats can, but only if it's really dark, Lol.
That spaceship slowing down on the atmo and burning everything makes me shiver, it's crazy how a simple thing can destroy everything
Definitely my favorite movie theater experience in recent years, including seeing endgame on opening day
Ngl my favorite new detail I noticed on rewatching (at home, with headphones) is that in that little wrestling bout one of the Metkayina boys uses their tail to SLAPP Lo'ak or Neteyam and they most definitely used a fish for the sound. It cracks me up
this movie was the most immersive movie I've ever seen in theaters.
and I really liked Kiri. she reminds me of myself
I honestly see the webbed fingers and flattened tails as something similar to different skin colours or different nose shapes or eye shapes among humans. They are random differences in birth that lead to superior outcomes in specific environments, so they continued among generations. I wouldn't call the Metkayina and Omaticaya different species, just different races
Agreed, it's pretty disturbing that the video keeps insulting the Water Tribes when they are clearly designed to resemble Pacific Islanders and the tall/lanky build of the Forest Tribe is common in African and Aboriginal Australians...so the scene of them meeting is really disrespectful and ignores the long history of trade between First Nations people...and the comment that 'all Forest People look the same' is especially gross when they are clearly designed to look like a mix of African and Native American people in a story that rips from the real world conflicts in South America, the Pacific and Africa between mining companies and communties who live there.
One of my absolute favorite channels. Great work as always
7:44 -- as far as I'm aware the relationship between Paz and Quaritch was consensual. I mean their relationship wasn't exactly allowed, it did break military/RDA rules, but put a bunch of humans on a planet light-years away from Earth, in confined air tight buildings....some hanky panky is bound to happen. Humans be very hanky panky minded creatures. In the comics the relationship between Paz and Quaritch was mutual they had feelings for one another. As far as I'm aware Spider wasn't planned, but when you do the sideways shuffle so many times a little baby is bound to happen.
Edit: I'd bet Quaritch tried to talk Paz out of going on the mission against the Tree of Souls because she either had just given birth or the fact Spider was so little. But like Ronal, I bet Paz didn't want to be left behind and she wanted to fight for her new found family.
Watch Part 2 now! nebula.tv/videos/cinemawins-everything-great-about-avatar-the-way-of-water (starts at 21:25)
Hopefully after this two-part review, we might see your thoughts on D&D:HAT? Really looking forward to your thoughts on that one! Worked a bit on it, and it’s kinda dear to my heart as the first film I’ve got a credit in ^^
Ey fam not sure what u did but am definitely one of them who enjoyed the movie. good stuff
@@Mexicanhanu layout artist. lil vfx role but v important to the process, and we’re rarely discussed in process. thanks for watching it; glad you enjoyed! ^^
hey man, seconding Mexicanhanu, absolutely loved the movie and the VFX rocked-you killed it!
this movie is eye-candy. Thats the entire movie, but i’m not complaining
When in doubt, space whales! :D
2:22 The 13th Warrior?
HAVE YOU SEEN THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER?
😂
I should watch The 13th Warrior because I haven’t!
man I love this movie cried so hard in theaters and still watch this at home at the time he tho it’s so long 😭
Glad I'm not the only one that immediately thinks of Joel when a dad calls his daughter baby girl
Can we talk about how nice he sang "near..far" He's got a voice
At 7:13, Grace was impregnated by Eywa. Na’vi’s are pregnant for 12 months, unlike humans who are pregnant for 9 months. Grace wasn’t pregnant at the time of her death, and if she was, Kiri and Neteyam would be the same age. (As Neytiri was pregnant at the end of the 1st movie)
Neteyam is 15 and Kiri is 14, meaning that Grace was impregnated after her death.
This also explains why Kiri has a connection to Eywa.
17:56 the Joel reference was a hard punch to the stomach I was not ready for
Cinema wins, I don’t know if you will read this, but could you please, PLEASE do a review on the two Wandering Earth movies? They’re one of my favourite sci-fi series❤
So good it's divided into two parts!
"You ever held your breath with movie character ?" Yeah, and I almost died watching "Finding Nemo" !
So I'm currently taking anthropology and for something to be considered the same species they must be able to breed offspring that can then breed after. Humans in neanderthals were able to breed viable offspring I'm pretty sure. So I think the water tribe and the forest tribe would be of the same "species" . It's like with Darwin's birds and how on one island. They have bigger beaks and smaller eyes because of evolution but on another island they've adapted differently, Just because they look different doesn't mean that they couldn't breed I believe.
Someone commented something like this on another compilation for Quaritch/Recom team.
It's really cool to see na'vi with oakley gear, plate carriers and hydration packs. An elite team of operators as avatars is a really cool idea that feels very Sequel-y like a what-if idea in the early phases of writing the screenplay.
Edit: also I love how Quaritch's response to the general is similar to jake asking how he'll know if the ikran will choose him "it will try to kill you" "outstanding" maybe that's just a marine thing or a james cameron thing
The end of this movie made me want more. I can’t get over and beautiful everything looks, how intriguing the characters are. And Tsireya is such a doll!
14:08 love the Rogue Nation reference 😄
Avatar is still my favorite movie and I'm so excited to see what Jim and his team bring to theaters in Avatar 3. Say what you want for the overused "going native" plot archetype, the effects are not the only amazing thing in the movie. The performance of the actors in both films, the emotions they can convey amazes me, i still feel like i got emotionally hit by a truck when Neytiri tells Jake he will never be one of the people. JC makes dialogue that sticks with you and can bring an amazing cast together.
Agreed. I'm always kind of puzzled when people complain about a plot or a story being too simplistic, or object to certain archetypes that keep appearing.
There's a very good reason that writers keep coming back to those archetypes and tropes. It's the same reason that particular chords, chord progressions, scales and rhythms keep popping up in music - because they're really good, they're familiar, and audiences tend to like them. They're literally baked in to our shared cultural identity on a fundamental level.
Likewise, many of the best, and most widely loved stories from all across human history are simple and uncomplicated. The kind of thing you can outline and relay in just a few minutes. Those are the stories that spread, wherever they're told, being passed on and on and on from person to person. A plot that takes several hours to properly explain, requiring charts, reference materials and cross referenced background information, isn't going to spread anywhere near as far.
There's also the fact that the simple, widely known tropes and archetypes can be easily adapted, modified, updated and reformed into anything the writer wants. They make for a rock solid, reliable foundation that literally *_anything_* can be built upon - The 'going native' plot framework for example, was capably used for both Dances With Wolves and Avatar, each becoming enormously popular and successful, and each one being markedly distinct from the other despite the core stories being pretty much identical.
The sad fact that so many people are seemingly so reluctant to allow themselves to simply *_enjoy_* things is something else I find puzzling - it's like sulky and defensive negativity is a kind of virus that spreads through the internet . . .
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Upon my second viewing, I noticed the prominence of subtleties in this movie - in terms of facial expressions, dialog, and character interactions.
Kind of impressive, in and of itself...
My favourite character is tonowari he just oozes the gentle giant man energy like he may be kind but will raise his hand be Stern if required
ive never been more excited for a video in my entire life
20:50 fun fact, humans do actually have bioluminescence, but it’s just so faint you can’t see it with your bare eyes under any natural condition
2:45... I almost always watch your videos first. I respect your opinion on this stuff as a fellow movie enjoyer.
When the chief talk about the "shame of being useless, for me it felt more like a mix of a demand to welcome them and a warning to the Sully to not be useless to his village.
I have a small theory on why all the animals and plants seems to comunicate and adapt to one another: The whole planet is just one giant mycelium network.
So I think that somewhere along the evolutionary path of Pandora, a fungus grows out of control or becomes so engrained to the the ecosystem that its like the ecosystem is more apart of it then it is apart of the ecosystem. Either way, the fungus becomes one with everything and as such, life is now evolving around this mycelium, trying to get nutrients from it, use it to communicate with other groups, etc.
Soon, (or over millions of year of evolution soon) one type of species, Na'Vi starts to grow more apparent as it seems their evolved brains form a better connection with the myceliul network then other species, like pigeons using the earths natural magnetic waves to navigate, so much so that they are able to commune with it with their minds while not losing their individuality and even store loose memories as well. They start to coagulate around the nerve clusters (Tree's of Life) where the growth is strongest and apply themselves to it, growing smarter and more in tune with the mycelium themselves. They also are able to bond with other parts of the ecosystem as well, applying their own feelings and conciousness onto wildlife and even plantlife. It seems that the planets enviorment all have one common factor with every species that has evolved on Pandora, they are able to connect to each other with tendrils. Why? because they are the baiscally the same.
Thats why they all have "tendrils" that seem so useful to every part of their enviorment, because they are literally apart of the same community.
probably some deep lore to debunk this but I think it's really accurate.
Sorry man I would like to subscribe to nebula but I'm just a student living paycheck to paycheck but I'm always here to enjoy everything on YT
I loved how family focused the sequel was.
I remember seeing this movie in 3D when it came out
I was glued onto the screen the entire time
The greatest thing about it was just the absolutely astonishing amount of detail and world building. Everything looked real! Like I wanted to dive into that ocean! Swim with the fishes! Feel the water around me!
Right away giving props to James Horner?! RESPECT!
So many film reviewers completely disregard the film score, despite how critical music is to helping shape the overall shape of the success of a film.
Cameron sending so conflicting messages with this one. On the one hand, "look at this cool tech! look at these cool ships! Look at these extra-cool crab mechs!" But at the same time "feel bad about finding these things cool because they're used for murder and everything human is wrong".
This movie's plot is so simple yet all the visuals, sounds and dialogue make it such a great one
17:05
MASSIVE missed opportunity for “There’s always a bigger fish”
20:50 we do! Unfortunately the human eye isn't able to pick up said light because its about 1000 times too weak. We also have stripes! Look it up!
I like that they showed that there's a tentacle on their head under their braids. It means that the organ that allows them to communicate isn't their HAIR.
I’m so glad you’re bacc! These videos are always a treat to see. Thank you for everything you’ve done for film and for being a film lover! 💙💙💙💙!
I was expecting a long wait for this, mostly for the Blu-ray release
This movie is one of the many examples as to why theaters are so important to cinema.
3:33 Hiccup and Astrid be laughing in the background
Everything that this film is trying to do really well is done really well I feel, the visuals are obviously stunning, the concepts for the animals and the locations are incredible (I immediately started looking for the art book after seeing the film), the fight scenes look good, the acting is fantastic, and the modelling and animation is beyond incredible (I feel like the artists behind the CGI and everything don't get enough praise in films like this). The only, in my mind, weak part is the story and that's really just because it doesn't quite meet the expectations applied after seeing all the other fantastic parts of the film. The story is fine, it serves it's purpose in pushing the audience through all this beautiful imagery and I don't feel like it really needs to do much more than that for this film to be successful
Walking through a dream I see you again…