Something I haven't seen anyone criticize this movie for is Kai's appearance. Po obliterated his spirit in the spirit realm. He had NO reason to show up.
Megamind 2 was done by their television studio so that's justified but they have no excuse for Kung Fu Panda 4 and that's making me worried for Shrek 5.
So the Chameleon wasn't able to be taught Kung Fu because she was too small, but Mantis and Viper are absolute badasses with it. Did no one think about that while making this sequel? Thanks Mike Mitchell, you screwed over a great franchise
@@ArtemisAYO Ay but everybody knew of shifu it seemed. Like bro would say dragon warrior and nobody had a clue but then he says trained by shifu and they go oh yeah we know him
Tai Lung: My father figure lied to me about a title he promised I was destined for. Shen: I committed genocide to avoid a predetermined fate, even if it got me banished by my parents. Kai: My friend who I loved like a brother betrayed me and sent me to the Spirit Realm. Chameleon: aM sMoLe!
Honestly her backstory could have been an animal hierarchy like, "People like you aren't meant to be fighters." It could show real world themes of Racism and races being unfairly treated. It could make her character have a more emotional and realistic level that people can relate to. She and Po would have shared the fact that they were both underestimated but overcame it. So instead The Chameleon (insert actual name) would want the staff to free the world from hierarchy, give any species the right to learn kung fu. Po would sympathize with her causing a great fold in their characters. The Chameleon steals the staff to steal everyone's kung fu so she can release it into the minds of every creature on earth. Po would defeat her and The Chameleon would be absolutely obliterated by Mr Ping.
@@JakeVillanueva-t2g you miss one major flaw the audiance would 100% only side with the chameleon her plan is literally "everybody should be kung-fu fighting"
Tigress trained for years specifically to become the dragon warrior and the moment she isn't around the title gets passed down to a fox who's greatest attribute is being a criminal? No no NO!!!!
@@SilverDustbj hahaha. Yeah. At least they got Tai lung. I think I would have rather seen him become the DW than her. Like a redemption story or something. Oh well.
I would have loved if a character called out the Chameleon for her nonsensical motivations. “I was rejected because I was too small!” “No, you were expelled because you tried to kill people.”
Congrats you made a better joke than the entire movie and filled a plot hole while making the villain more sinister and insane which would be a prelude to what was to come.
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@@ZacharyLittle777 Why is there always people like you it had nothing to do with religion and you made it about religion. Seriously fuck “god” it doesn’t exist never has and people are literally stupid for believing in a magical man in the sky. this isn’t old in times where people were uncivilized and very uneducated hence why Christianity got is big as it did most religions are literally for the uneducated
Lord Shen literally committed a Genocide of the pandas to where the had to go into hiding, hunted down Po because of a prophecy, took over a kingdom and was actively developing weapons of mass destruction and setting out with an armada at the end of his movie. He died HATING Po. But Po did some kung fu and beat a lizard so he's chill now.
Po's (bio) father is a way more massacred character. He was the one to fight off Shen's genocide, ensure his people survive against overwhelming odds, lead pandas to safety and prosperity, and then participate in the defense of the panda village against even more overwhelming odds in the forces of General Kai. And this movie has a running gag that he is now apparently a coward.
Tigress not ending up as the dragon warrior is an actual crime. The whole point of Po, or at least how I see it, was to help Tigress accept herself and everything she is, she was textbook definition of a successor, but no, gotta shove her to the side for that hack of an "actor" whos just used as a prop.
Kung Fu Panda brought back Ian McShane just for a few lines as Tai Lung and that sucks. Imagine a redemption journey of Tai Lung and reconciliation with Shifu.
@@FatherFigure-itout ya if you listen they make it clear her hole reason to learn magic was to prove she was better then kung fun like the bird in Kp2 perfecting weaponized fireworks or that engineer a pig pig in the tv show
I don't get it, Tigress literally destroyed the nerves in her fist JUST to not feel pain when she was hitting someone....and she doesn't become the dragon warrior? BUT SOME RANDO FOX THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THEIR MORALS RIGHT DOES!? WHAT IS THIS MOVIE!?
Mabey after seeing what the dragon warrior is supposed to be capable of the 5 didn't want the task po defeated ti lung where as the 5 with longer training failed po survived being shot with a cannon ball and rescued the 5 and was redirecting cannon balls then the fight at the jade palace and tigress seeing everything get destroyed and them only winning because of po ....... Do you think this would make any of the 5 lose heart that they could possibly be the dragon warrior all their training all their hard work and they failed 3 times A good warrior needs to know their limits and the title of dragon warrior may be something they understood that they were and may never be able to live up to
4:02 Shouldn't we sin the fact that the people most deserving of being the next dragon warrior, the furious five, aren't even present for this contest at all? we know why they couldn't be in the movie irl, but in the movie, they are the ONLY ESTABLISHED WARRIORS who could possibly be the next dragon warrior. not some random npcs
well if they weren't fated to be the Dragon Warrior before Po, what makes you think they are likely to be the Dragon Warrior after Po, especially because Po is younger than them and too old to be the Dragon Warrior now.
Honestly the whole "next dragon warrior" thing is contrived in the first place, but I'll say if it needs to happen I wouldn't want it to be the 5. They're all deserving, sure, but it almost feels like their role is cheapened if they just get hand-me-down Dragon Warrior'ing just for being Po's friends/someone he knows, considering how he first got the role. Their deeds are notable but not a pathway to just EARNING the dragon warriorhood.
@@PanSpacemanthis is why I liked the shows lore of The Furious Five, they weren’t candidates to be the Dragon Warrior, The Furious Five were the Top 5 Kung Fu Masters in all of China the 1st Furious Five members were Shifu, Master Owl, Master Elephant, and I forgot the other two, and it was said that the strongest member of the Furious Five usually turns evil so it makes sense Tai Lung wasn’t the Dragon Warrior became a default member of The Five and became evil
@@DrippleDragon well the first movie established the stupid fact that there was no conditions to being the dragon worrior other than being chosen. so yeah, he could have choosen anyone he wants.
Why didn't they go the original Shen route with the Chameleon by making her born sickly and then be rejected by every Kung Fu school? There by giving her a far better motivation than "being too small" which is goddamn ridiculous considering Mantis exist.
It’s extra ridiculous considering the fact that she can transform into anything so even if she was “too small” couldn’t she just make herself bigger, not that size matter but sheesh who wrote her character like this
I agree with this 100%. As much as I love the Kung Fu Panda series, let it end on such a high note rather than tarnish it by continuing it with terrible unnecessary sequels. Add "nothing is ever allowed to end" to the ever growing list of reasons modern movies are awful.
@@Ironeagle21 modern movies are perfectly fine people just demand to much kung fu panda was planed as a 6 part series the 4th wasn't necessary it was planed from the start and it's a good movie on its own, movies aren't getting worse people are just to critical
@ajmcomixonline8824 No writing is getting lazy, and ppl are noticing. The movie isn't garbage, but in this franchise, they shouldn't be ok with mediocre movie when the first three movies were absolute classics.
I'm still angry that DreamWorks have so lost the plot that instead of investing more in unique animation and great storytelling like The Last Wish, they're putting out slop like this and attending the Disney school of needless and unwanted live action remakes
I’d like to add one The Chameleon’s first impression sucks, especially compared to the other villains in this franchise. What do I mean by this? Let’s go through a roll call. Tai Lung: escapes a said-to-be-impossible-to-escape-from prison with ease. Shen: kills a master who’s also a rhino. Kai: defeated Oogway after beating every Kung fu master in the Spirit Realm. The Chameleon: kicks someone down the stairs…wow, soooo menacing. (God, the Chameleon sucked so freaking much)
@@Instinct23-uf1rk We didn't see her do that we saw Tai Lung do that, and it was only a realization after. When we see the villain in her own form turn into something, revealing herself, that's the reveal.
@@alexanderelderhorst2107 The Chameleon's main feature is shapeshifting, which involves turning into other people. Not acknowledging her ability is wild. She used Tai Lung's form to do what she did, so techinically its still something
@@Instinct23-uf1rkYeah also all the other opening scenes were necessary. 1) Like Tai Lung cannot get to the Jade Palace before escaping prison. 2) Shen cannot conquer China without conquering Gongmen City 3) Kai cannot get to the mortal world without Oogway's chi. 4) But Chameleon, she is also already in her fort. She does not need to kill or beat anyone up. What she needs to do however is steal iron from the mines to build her cages and lure Po here to steal the Staff.
4:45 - 5:06 leaving a timestamp to the "I've lost count" percentage of people who had enough of Awkwafina appearing in any animated movie in recent memory.
@@DrippleDragon You got it backwards, those are the Pandas who went to the Valley of Peace. They probably thought safer there than their secluded mountain village.
Okay im going to say this at least once now: the reason why Kung Fu panda 4 wasnt as great as the last three is cause, okay im not sure if i got this right, but whoever decided to do the film was kind of forced to rush through it instead of having the plot which she wanted to do flesh out more. And you can tell in the story itself. The chameleon and Zhen were going to have more of a detailed background but majority of that was cut. Plus, the Furious Five were going to show up, majority of return villains were gonna have more lines and more scenes; but again most of that was cut out
They let a director called Mike Mitchell direct it and gave him to much freedom with the movie. He didn’t want it to be long because it would bore the kids. People suggested better ideas and scenes than his (giving tai lung an actual redemption, actually having the furious five) Even one of the artists left a week later for it been frustrating.
15:02 "I'm starting to think Kung Fu is the problem and not the solution in these movies" Funny that you mention that because in the first TV show where they had only the first movie to build lore, every villain that wasn't a badit was essentially Tai Lung, aka "person that turned evil because Oogway/Shifu/both dismissed them and they now want revenge"
@@03mbc What about Chicken Run or Megamind? A majority of their catalog is adapting children's books like Shrek or How to Train Your Dragon. If you like Kung Fu Panda 4, that's great, but the heavy increase in sequels is becoming more frequent in recent years.
@@03mbc A majority of DreamWorks films are not original even without the spinoffs and sequels. Even their upcoming movie, The Wild Robot, is an adaptation. The trend I notice is a heavy reliance on sequels regardless of quality.
@@BatAmericabasically but we’re at least asking that they try good writing just goes along way, the writing director said she tried and pushed for a more serious KFP4 that would come full circle with Po’s growth and give Tai Lung a redemption but Dreamworks and editing team wanted it to be more silly and focused on Aquafina
Sadly that wasn’t even Jack Blacks fault he honestly didn’t know Gass was gonna say that but yeah that’s the end of Tenacious D, I’d like to say it’s not that big of a deal and it’ll blow over but nah we won’t see them for a fat minute
so fun fact. the mythbusters tested bull in a china shop. And sure enough the way the yak?s act in kungfu panda 4 is actually how a bull would react in real life. they are extremely careful when moving thru narrow spaces ^.^
The Chameleon: "BWA HA HA! You can not defeat me, Dragon Warrior! I have the Kung Fu of everyone you've ever fought!" Po: "Well, you're forgetting one little, teeny, tiny thing" The Chameleon: "And what is that?" Po: "I've BEATEN all those guys"
13:48 wasn't "pandas being endangered" the entire point of the second and third movies? "I'm evil and paranoid and I killed all the pandas except the chosen one I didn't find" and "Oh my god, turns out there's a single community of pandas left." Frankly, yeah, if they find panda fur, it's definitely Po's. The real sin is recognizing it as panda fur in the first place.
I was expecting an "I'm Late Joke" for the scene of Po saying "I'm Late" during the ending gag, but I was expecting it to be the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland saying it.
I wish instead of the movie being about Shifu telling Po he needs to pick a successor, Shifu instead announces he wants the Furious Five to disperse across China to spread his teachings. Have THAT be the change that Po and the rest have to adapt to. Then they go have their one last big mission together to stop the Chameleon where they all realize the value in change and we get a tearful good bye at the end of the movie. Scrap the character of Zhen entirely.
@SuperSolaris666 Kyle fucked him being a dumbass publicly supporting political violence so Jack cut ties to save his own ass. Oh and Kyle got dropped by his talent agency as well, so he's out on his own. One more thing, the Australian government was on the verge of deporting both of them, which if their immigration laws are anything similar to ours, deportation carries a several years long ban from the country. So yeah, pretty big fuck up. Australia doesn't have the badass level freedom of speech we have in case you were wondering.
The thing that pissed me off a lot was that Lord Shen and his cannons were supposed to be a continental threat but somehow, his defeat isn't that widespread among nations for fuck knows why.
2 Lord of the Rings and A Blazing Saddles reference? It must be my lucky day!!! Also was hoping you’d do a Hudsucker Proxy reference for the manhole cover rolling down the stairs.
About the tree nut not growing inside a pocket, I have a counter argument. At some point during a shift I was working at a grocery store, a small clove of a garlic fell. I picked it up and put it in my pocket to throw away later, I forgot about it for 3-ish weeks and when I remembered it and took it out, it had started to sprout in my dark, dry, but warm pocket. I don’t know how, but it did; so -1 sin for pocket plants!
True! When I first watched it I was so disappointed that the nostalgia factor isn’t being fully embraced. The absence of the Furious Five really takes away from the magic that made the earlier movies so great. It’s a shame that bringing them back wasn’t prioritized, even if it meant a higher budget. 2:19
13:22 There has to be an explanation about his college girlfriend. I've been subscribed to this channel since they reviewed Twilight. Who is this college girlfriend, Jeremy?
I kind of felt like it could be a joke, as people have compared the first Venom movie starring Tom Hardy to Upgrade, but it could also be an error here.
“I think it’s more likely they’re quite happy with this life and haven’t given a single thought to what your biased construct of “doing the right thing” might be.” awesome statement!!!!
I will say the sin about her getting two years for stealing some artifacts is linda unfair, its heavily implied that oogway/spiritual leader is just the leader or head of the valley of peace, meaning she basically kust broke into the white house
15:45 Don't mind me, just a WOF fan :>. But seriously, is that gold tree branch reminding anyone of the branch Glory was chained too in the sky kingdom?/lh/hj
Honestly, this movie is fine. Is it as good as the other three Kung Fu Panda movies? No. But it's still funny, well-animated, reasonably creative, and has some nice messages for kids AND adults to chew on. So for the weakest movie in a film quadrilogy to still be reasonably good, that says alot about how AWESOME the other three movies really are.
Something that no one talks about is the fact that the chameleon uses po’s kung fu with Po vs Po even though she never took po’s Kung fu which isn’t bull
Tai Lung: groomed and trained his entire life for a single role, only to be told that the role was meant for someone else. Shen: committed genocide to try and forestall a prophecy of his destruction, and was disowned by his family. Kai: was betrayed by the person he loved as a brother, was banished to the spirit realm, and all memory of him in the living world died. Chameleon: too small for school.
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Something I haven't seen anyone criticize this movie for is Kai's appearance. Po obliterated his spirit in the spirit realm. He had NO reason to show up.
Kind of agreed, Lego Cee.
I agree with that. He should be a jade pendant or some shit
I’ve a lot of people criticizing that
He respawned
I just left it at some bullshit like the staff allows you to put the chi/spirits back together
Between this and the "sequel" to Megamind, DreamWorks has certainly lost the winning streak they had a few years ago.
At least The Wild Robot looks like it can bring Dreamworks’ streak back!
Two movies is hardly what I’d call a streak.
Puss in Boots the Last Wish was only 2 years ago.. soo
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I didn’t know there was a Megamind sequel?
Megamind 2 was done by their television studio so that's justified but they have no excuse for Kung Fu Panda 4 and that's making me worried for Shrek 5.
So the Chameleon wasn't able to be taught Kung Fu because she was too small, but Mantis and Viper are absolute badasses with it. Did no one think about that while making this sequel? Thanks Mike Mitchell, you screwed over a great franchise
Agreed. Also, it can't realistically have been due to her being female, because Tigress and Viper *are* female
Shifu was the only good teacher in that regard and the Chameleon didn't know of him
@@ArtemisAYO Fair point
@@ArtemisAYO Ay but everybody knew of shifu it seemed. Like bro would say dragon warrior and nobody had a clue but then he says trained by shifu and they go oh yeah we know him
@@justarandomcursedlego5972 same with oogway as well
Tai Lung: My father figure lied to me about a title he promised I was destined for.
Shen: I committed genocide to avoid a predetermined fate, even if it got me banished by my parents.
Kai: My friend who I loved like a brother betrayed me and sent me to the Spirit Realm.
Chameleon: aM sMoLe!
Honestly her backstory could have been an animal hierarchy like, "People like you aren't meant to be fighters." It could show real world themes of Racism and races being unfairly treated. It could make her character have a more emotional and realistic level that people can relate to. She and Po would have shared the fact that they were both underestimated but overcame it. So instead The Chameleon (insert actual name) would want the staff to free the world from hierarchy, give any species the right to learn kung fu. Po would sympathize with her causing a great fold in their characters. The Chameleon steals the staff to steal everyone's kung fu so she can release it into the minds of every creature on earth. Po would defeat her and The Chameleon would be absolutely obliterated by Mr Ping.
@@JakeVillanueva-t2g you miss one major flaw
the audiance would 100% only side with the chameleon
her plan is literally "everybody should be kung-fu fighting"
@@danielwhite1890tbf, there's plenty of sympathetic villains
@@danielwhite1890 exactly 😁
I mean Mantis and Viper are both small yet i dont see that issue coming up
Tigress trained for years specifically to become the dragon warrior and the moment she isn't around the title gets passed down to a fox who's greatest attribute is being a criminal? No no NO!!!!
Lol Tigress cost too much to be the Dragon Warrior
@@SilverDustbj hahaha. Yeah. At least they got Tai lung. I think I would have rather seen him become the DW than her. Like a redemption story or something.
Oh well.
@@FatherFigure-itoutmaybe Kung Fu Pamda 5 lol
@@SilverDustbj considering the hot water blacks in right now, I doubt we see it for quite awhile. But maybe
I agree with this, the title should've gone to one of the five
I would have loved if a character called out the Chameleon for her nonsensical motivations.
“I was rejected because I was too small!”
“No, you were expelled because you tried to kill people.”
Congrats you made a better joke than the entire movie and filled a plot hole while making the villain more sinister and insane which would be a prelude to what was to come.
Honestly that would 100% make a lot more sense than the actual bs reason
I am 100% certain Jeremy sits down at his computer and shouts SINNING MOVIES.
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@@ZacharyLittle777 Why is there always people like you it had nothing to do with religion and you made it about religion. Seriously fuck “god” it doesn’t exist never has and people are literally stupid for believing in a magical man in the sky. this isn’t old in times where people were uncivilized and very uneducated hence why Christianity got is big as it did most religions are literally for the uneducated
Right xD
Is he supposed to be standing?
Lord Shen literally committed a Genocide of the pandas to where the had to go into hiding, hunted down Po because of a prophecy, took over a kingdom and was actively developing weapons of mass destruction and setting out with an armada at the end of his movie. He died HATING Po. But Po did some kung fu and beat a lizard so he's chill now.
I mean at the end of it It looks looks like he didn’t bow to po at all so maybe he still doesn’t like him
Po tell him its not too late
He choose death, bro DESPISE the panda.
Shen: I will end you and everything you love *commits unalive*
Panda: Slaps a reptile
Shen: Oh tsk broo didnt know you where chill like that
Bro chose to fucking die than to change his ways
Po's (bio) father is a way more massacred character. He was the one to fight off Shen's genocide, ensure his people survive against overwhelming odds, lead pandas to safety and prosperity, and then participate in the defense of the panda village against even more overwhelming odds in the forces of General Kai. And this movie has a running gag that he is now apparently a coward.
Tigress not ending up as the dragon warrior is an actual crime.
The whole point of Po, or at least how I see it, was to help Tigress accept herself and everything she is, she was textbook definition of a successor, but no, gotta shove her to the side for that hack of an "actor" whos just used as a prop.
Kung Fu Panda brought back Ian McShane just for a few lines as Tai Lung and that sucks.
Imagine a redemption journey of Tai Lung and reconciliation with Shifu.
And they don't even bother to do anything with Kai or Shen. Even moreso, you'd think Shen, of all people, would have more to say about this.
Can he be redeemed though? Should he be redeemed
@@GradietPanda12345Maybe if it’s actually handled well.
I find he was great tho, especially since he's my favourite character in Kung Fu Panda
I'd almost forgot that Po straight up murdered Tai Lung.
She could shape shift into any form and wasn't allowed into ANY school??? Didn't Bruce Lee say be like water? Where you at on that?!?!
Couple thousand years?
Considering the setting is advent iron age.
Not that it matters for the movies with how anachronistic they are.
If you listen to her in the movie, she first wanted to learn kung fu and was rejected. Only later she went into sorcery, she didn't have it before.
She learned shape shifting after being denied as part of her revenge
@@ajmcomixonline8824 really?!? I figured it was just something she knew. Thanks for that tidbit.
@@FatherFigure-itout ya if you listen they make it clear her hole reason to learn magic was to prove she was better then kung fun like the bird in Kp2 perfecting weaponized fireworks or that engineer a pig pig in the tv show
I don't get it, Tigress literally destroyed the nerves in her fist JUST to not feel pain when she was hitting someone....and she doesn't become the dragon warrior? BUT SOME RANDO FOX THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THEIR MORALS RIGHT DOES!? WHAT IS THIS MOVIE!?
Mabey after seeing what the dragon warrior is supposed to be capable of the 5 didn't want the task po defeated ti lung where as the 5 with longer training failed po survived being shot with a cannon ball and rescued the 5 and was redirecting cannon balls then the fight at the jade palace and tigress seeing everything get destroyed and them only winning because of po .......
Do you think this would make any of the 5 lose heart that they could possibly be the dragon warrior all their training all their hard work and they failed 3 times
A good warrior needs to know their limits and the title of dragon warrior may be something they understood that they were and may never be able to live up to
4:02 Shouldn't we sin the fact that the people most deserving of being the next dragon warrior, the furious five, aren't even present for this contest at all? we know why they couldn't be in the movie irl, but in the movie, they are the ONLY ESTABLISHED WARRIORS who could possibly be the next dragon warrior. not some random npcs
well if they weren't fated to be the Dragon Warrior before Po, what makes you think they are likely to be the Dragon Warrior after Po, especially because Po is younger than them and too old to be the Dragon Warrior now.
Honestly the whole "next dragon warrior" thing is contrived in the first place, but I'll say if it needs to happen I wouldn't want it to be the 5. They're all deserving, sure, but it almost feels like their role is cheapened if they just get hand-me-down Dragon Warrior'ing just for being Po's friends/someone he knows, considering how he first got the role. Their deeds are notable but not a pathway to just EARNING the dragon warriorhood.
@@PanSpacemanthis is why I liked the shows lore of The Furious Five, they weren’t candidates to be the Dragon Warrior, The Furious Five were the Top 5 Kung Fu Masters in all of China the 1st Furious Five members were Shifu, Master Owl, Master Elephant, and I forgot the other two, and it was said that the strongest member of the Furious Five usually turns evil so it makes sense Tai Lung wasn’t the Dragon Warrior became a default member of The Five and became evil
@@DrippleDragon well the first movie established the stupid fact that there was no conditions to being the dragon worrior other than being chosen. so yeah, he could have choosen anyone he wants.
Why didn't they go the original Shen route with the Chameleon by making her born sickly and then be rejected by every Kung Fu school? There by giving her a far better motivation than "being too small" which is goddamn ridiculous considering Mantis exist.
From what I’ve heard the co director kept wanting to add more impactful content but the main director kept shooting her down.
It’s extra ridiculous considering the fact that she can transform into anything so even if she was “too small” couldn’t she just make herself bigger, not that size matter but sheesh who wrote her character like this
For every good sequel like Puss in Boots the Last Wish comes with a sequel that is unwanted like Kung Fu Panda 4
Kung Fu Panda 4 was still a good sequel.
Its a good squeal and sets up the second half of the Franchise very well
@@ajmcomixonline8824 Exactly. The weakest of the franchise but still it expands on the franchise and opens possibilities for future sequels.
@@EUGE_T_T I wouldn’t say it was unwanted necessarily, but if it existed it should have been a different movie than this.
@@AnujChatterjee-q5b what about @chrisfoley1961 's opinion on this
The ending to the third film was perfect. This movie did not need to exist
Since the creators wanted to make a 6 part story then yes it did
I agree with this 100%. As much as I love the Kung Fu Panda series, let it end on such a high note rather than tarnish it by continuing it with terrible unnecessary sequels. Add "nothing is ever allowed to end" to the ever growing list of reasons modern movies are awful.
@@Ironeagle21 modern movies are perfectly fine people just demand to much kung fu panda was planed as a 6 part series the 4th wasn't necessary it was planed from the start and it's a good movie on its own, movies aren't getting worse people are just to critical
@ajmcomixonline8824 No writing is getting lazy, and ppl are noticing. The movie isn't garbage, but in this franchise, they shouldn't be ok with mediocre movie when the first three movies were absolute classics.
OMG speaking of the third's ending! Notice how this movie didn't MEANTION CHI!! The movie never expanded upon it! OMG what a shit show!
15:20 I was too small
Shifu & Mantis= MAJOR SKILL ISSUE
So you mean kung fu is just a piece of cake art that you can learn if you are rejected by masters ?
Too small, I was not expecting that. So laughable it's confusing. 😂
Did I mention it@@AnujChatterjee-q5b? Kung fu is hard, unless your teacher is Bruce Lee.
@@Omega_1998_
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Kung Fu Panda 2 is still the best one :P
Easily the magnum opus of the trilogy.
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I loveeee the 2nd one
Agreed
Agreed
I'm still angry that DreamWorks have so lost the plot that instead of investing more in unique animation and great storytelling like The Last Wish, they're putting out slop like this and attending the Disney school of needless and unwanted live action remakes
I really hope they don’t start making live action movies.
@@Hessed3712 there's a How To Train Your Dragon live action in development
Man, The Last Wish was such a good film. I wonder what happened to this one...
@@Broken-137
Remember the teenage kraken?
@@Raximus3000 didn't watch it. It felt too similar to turning red.
I’d like to add one
The Chameleon’s first impression sucks, especially compared to the other villains in this franchise. What do I mean by this? Let’s go through a roll call.
Tai Lung: escapes a said-to-be-impossible-to-escape-from prison with ease.
Shen: kills a master who’s also a rhino.
Kai: defeated Oogway after beating every Kung fu master in the Spirit Realm.
The Chameleon: kicks someone down the stairs…wow, soooo menacing. (God, the Chameleon sucked so freaking much)
The sad thing is that was the Chameleon at her evilest.
Chameleon's first impression was literally burning down an entire mine worked on by the majestic G.O.A.Ts.
@@Instinct23-uf1rk We didn't see her do that we saw Tai Lung do that, and it was only a realization after. When we see the villain in her own form turn into something, revealing herself, that's the reveal.
@@alexanderelderhorst2107
The Chameleon's main feature is shapeshifting, which involves turning into other people. Not acknowledging her ability is wild.
She used Tai Lung's form to do what she did, so techinically its still something
@@Instinct23-uf1rkYeah also all the other opening scenes were necessary.
1) Like Tai Lung cannot get to the Jade Palace before escaping prison.
2) Shen cannot conquer China without conquering Gongmen City
3) Kai cannot get to the mortal world without Oogway's chi.
4) But Chameleon, she is also already in her fort. She does not need to kill or beat anyone up. What she needs to do however is steal iron from the mines to build her cages and lure Po here to steal the Staff.
*thumbnail*
Po: "You're just a cheap imitation!"
Chameleon: "Oh no no no! I'm the upgrade."
4:45 - 5:06 leaving a timestamp to the "I've lost count" percentage of people who had enough of Awkwafina appearing in any animated movie in recent memory.
89 was not deserved. We learned earlier that all pandas left cities and fled to the mountain thing in the 3rd movie
MOST of these sins weren't deserved. CinemaSins end up missing every now and then but this whole shebang was atrocious.
Also at the end of the Third Movie you do see citizens of the valley in the Panda Village meaning they did open the roads to the village again
Agreed
@@GaraichuYT
@@DrippleDragon You got it backwards, those are the Pandas who went to the Valley of Peace. They probably thought safer there than their secluded mountain village.
Okay im going to say this at least once now: the reason why Kung Fu panda 4 wasnt as great as the last three is cause, okay im not sure if i got this right, but whoever decided to do the film was kind of forced to rush through it instead of having the plot which she wanted to do flesh out more.
And you can tell in the story itself. The chameleon and Zhen were going to have more of a detailed background but majority of that was cut. Plus, the Furious Five were going to show up, majority of return villains were gonna have more lines and more scenes; but again most of that was cut out
They let a director called Mike Mitchell direct it and gave him to much freedom with the movie. He didn’t want it to be long because it would bore the kids. People suggested better ideas and scenes than his (giving tai lung an actual redemption, actually having the furious five)
Even one of the artists left a week later for it been frustrating.
You have no idea how long I was waiting for this
15:02 "I'm starting to think Kung Fu is the problem and not the solution in these movies"
Funny that you mention that because in the first TV show where they had only the first movie to build lore, every villain that wasn't a badit was essentially Tai Lung, aka "person that turned evil because Oogway/Shifu/both dismissed them and they now want revenge"
"but its better than megamind 2" ahh movie
Dreambreaker 💔 is still 💩
there’s a fourth one? I’m out the loop frfr
It came out earlier this year
Hollywood try not to make an unnecessary sequel challenge (impossible)
Unfortunately, It's not good, but yeah, it exists.
It's one of the movies of all time
Don't worry, you didn't miss anything important with this one
@@海王星クショックスI enjoyed it
It feels like there is a trend of making unnecessary sequels and treating them as a default.
Hey they try to make original and you all hating them that why he have all these sequels and spin off and prequels
@@03mbc What about Chicken Run or Megamind? A majority of their catalog is adapting children's books like Shrek or How to Train Your Dragon. If you like Kung Fu Panda 4, that's great, but the heavy increase in sequels is becoming more frequent in recent years.
@@BatAmerica well not back then but nowadays yeah
@@03mbc A majority of DreamWorks films are not original even without the spinoffs and sequels. Even their upcoming movie, The Wild Robot, is an adaptation. The trend I notice is a heavy reliance on sequels regardless of quality.
@@BatAmericabasically but we’re at least asking that they try good writing just goes along way, the writing director said she tried and pushed for a more serious KFP4 that would come full circle with Po’s growth and give Tai Lung a redemption but Dreamworks and editing team wanted it to be more silly and focused on Aquafina
It's really sad that kung fu panda has become one of those movies that I don't even bother watching, I just wait to see your video on it
Well, he definitely got one thing right: that cover of Hit Me Baby One More Time kicks ass and is way better than I ever thought that song could be.
Such a huge loss that the "Five" weren't included. They should've been at least as much included as they were in the previous movies
Other villains: *horrible tragic backstory*
Chameleon:IM SMOL
Also not enough tai lung
Aquafina
Shein BEING APART OF THE APOLGIZING TO PO COMITTEE
I know it’s a typo but Shein 😭
@@dxrlingsofmine thats how i spelled it?
What a coincidence of Jack Black getting the ban from Australia after the recent incident with Kyle Glass.
It's the death of Tenacious D.
Sadly that wasn’t even Jack Blacks fault he honestly didn’t know Gass was gonna say that but yeah that’s the end of Tenacious D, I’d like to say it’s not that big of a deal and it’ll blow over but nah we won’t see them for a fat minute
@@DrippleDragon yeah it sucks i was mean to go to the newcastle show but it got postponed 3 hours before it was mean to start
@@DrippleDragon JB actually laughed at the comment, too. Which is like, what?!
@@sicariusdracus Uncomfortable laughter
Say what you want about this movie, but the Tenacious D cover of Baby One More Time slaps.
No it doesn’t
@@TheBandit025Novahush your mouth. Yes it does.
@@BatmanFan76 There’s only one song that makes sense The Britney Spears one
It does slap
Forgot it was in it. Meh.
so fun fact. the mythbusters tested bull in a china shop. And sure enough the way the yak?s act in kungfu panda 4 is actually how a bull would react in real life. they are extremely careful when moving thru narrow spaces ^.^
I’ve been waiting for this! Thanks! Jeremy for reading my mind!
The Chameleon: "BWA HA HA! You can not defeat me, Dragon Warrior! I have the Kung Fu of everyone you've ever fought!"
Po: "Well, you're forgetting one little, teeny, tiny thing"
The Chameleon: "And what is that?"
Po: "I've BEATEN all those guys"
Like duhhhh. You had him in your cage. Did it never cross her mind that maybe she should be trying take Poh's Kung fu first?
13:48 wasn't "pandas being endangered" the entire point of the second and third movies? "I'm evil and paranoid and I killed all the pandas except the chosen one I didn't find" and "Oh my god, turns out there's a single community of pandas left."
Frankly, yeah, if they find panda fur, it's definitely Po's. The real sin is recognizing it as panda fur in the first place.
I was expecting an "I'm Late Joke" for the scene of Po saying "I'm Late" during the ending gag, but I was expecting it to be the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland saying it.
Same.
There are a ton of people that are very critical of this movie from the villain, to some actors not reprising their roles, etc.
As they should
And there all being to harsh this is a fun movie that we should all enjoy
It is not just a fun movie, it is a GREAT and UNDERRATED Movie !! People overlook the themes and other positives of KFP4.
@@AnujChatterjee-q5b right on pal keep up the hype
@@DizzyGilepilepsy Chameleon's motivation wasn't because she is small bruh.
I can explain if you want
I wish instead of the movie being about Shifu telling Po he needs to pick a successor, Shifu instead announces he wants the Furious Five to disperse across China to spread his teachings. Have THAT be the change that Po and the rest have to adapt to. Then they go have their one last big mission together to stop the Chameleon where they all realize the value in change and we get a tearful good bye at the end of the movie.
Scrap the character of Zhen entirely.
This is brilliant, and would have had so much more emotional impact!
21:39 Fun Fact: Tom Hardy was NOT in Upgrade. 😂
Lies.
@@CinemaSinsain’t no way buddy said “nuh uh.”
@@excaliburknives3572Dafuq you mean ‘nuh uh’?!
Came to say this as well.
10:10 This sin doesn’t make any sense; isn’t she trying to hide the fact that she’s affiliated with The Chameleon?
KFP1: Solving physical trauma.
KFP2: Solving mental trauma.
KFP3: solving spiritual trauma.
KFP4: Life is fleeting, so be ready to give up early?
I feel like it's kind of like comparing different paths between accepting and not
I never thought I would like a Trolls movie more than a Kung Fu Panda movie. Lol
I’ve been waiting for this one
I died at the "Po decides to finger himself" part.
Still waiting for Turbo to be sinned by being overshadowed.
Funny coincidence how you upload this video right when Jack Black is in public hot water
Wait, what?
@SuperSolaris666 Kyle fucked him being a dumbass publicly supporting political violence so Jack cut ties to save his own ass. Oh and Kyle got dropped by his talent agency as well, so he's out on his own.
One more thing, the Australian government was on the verge of deporting both of them, which if their immigration laws are anything similar to ours, deportation carries a several years long ban from the country. So yeah, pretty big fuck up. Australia doesn't have the badass level freedom of speech we have in case you were wondering.
Anybody gonna sin Jeremy for confusing Logan Marshall with Tom Hardy in that Upgrade reference? No? Guess I'll do it. . . 😅😅😅
I was waiting for someone to comment this 😂
The thing that pissed me off a lot was that Lord Shen and his cannons were supposed to be a continental threat but somehow, his defeat isn't that widespread among nations for fuck knows why.
I don't care for this movie but Ke Huy Quan's appearance deserves a sin off as much as you'd give one to Alan Tudyk
I am just going to pretend that this movie never existed... There are only 3... there are ONLY 3!!!
Amen
You said it brother 🤜🏻🤛🏻
21:48 Logan Marshall-Green was the protagonist in the movie "Upgrade", not Tom Hardy. *Ding*
I've had enough of this LMG truther agenda.
The first KFP was pretty great. Not every movie needs a dozen sequels and thirty-two spin-offs.
The second one was good too. The third one is just kinda meh.
@@excaliburknives3572the third one is not the best of the original three, but the third one is a masterpiece compared to the fourth
The main actor in Upgrade is NOT Tom Hardy, it's Logan Marshall Green💀🙏
2 Lord of the Rings and A Blazing Saddles reference? It must be my lucky day!!! Also was hoping you’d do a Hudsucker Proxy reference for the manhole cover rolling down the stairs.
Hold on, there was 4.. i didn't know there was a 3rd ..
About the tree nut not growing inside a pocket, I have a counter argument. At some point during a shift I was working at a grocery store, a small clove of a garlic fell. I picked it up and put it in my pocket to throw away later, I forgot about it for 3-ish weeks and when I remembered it and took it out, it had started to sprout in my dark, dry, but warm pocket. I don’t know how, but it did; so -1 sin for pocket plants!
4:12 PO Was Doing WHAT TO HIMSELF!!!
True! When I first watched it I was so disappointed that the nostalgia factor isn’t being fully embraced. The absence of the Furious Five really takes away from the magic that made the earlier movies so great. It’s a shame that bringing them back wasn’t prioritized, even if it meant a higher budget. 2:19
Eric Carle wrote The Mixed-Up Chameleon first. It took a really aggressive turn in this version.
Jeremy has many hilarious lines, it's impossible to pick just one. F'n legend I tell you. 💪😂
13:22 There has to be an explanation about his college girlfriend. I've been subscribed to this channel since they reviewed Twilight. Who is this college girlfriend, Jeremy?
When he said "Bright Eyes" I began singing, "Every now and then I fall apart." 😂
Wouldn't expect less of a movie that was thought to be a live action
9:39 this is absolutely side pinning hilarious😭 I will always love CinemaSins❤
If anybody's wondering, the average movies sin count is about 120
I feel the timing of this video is extremely interesting considering what Jack Black’s band mate just did.
The bowl on Po's Dad's head was probably in his bag, he's a cook. DING!
I'm convinced Jeremy's college girlfriend(s) are movie producers or writers based on how often they take inspiration Jeremy
Notice at 22:39 that Shen DOESN'T bow to Po in respect? He's the only villain who still hates him XD
Well this timed out well lol
DreamWorks milked KungFu Panda like they milked Shrek. There is actually a Shrek 5 in development.
Are Zhen's paws trying to escape the movie with those obvious 3D shots every time she kicks?
GIVE US A FURIOUS FIVE SPINOFF MOVIE!
No sin for the fox someone beating the chameleon who is empowered by various masters.
Tom Hardy didn't star in "Upgrade" , Logan Marshall did. Btw, love the channel.
I kind of felt like it could be a joke, as people have compared the first Venom movie starring Tom Hardy to Upgrade, but it could also be an error here.
Okay, fine: i'll say it.
We need a video where Jeremy talks about his exploits with his Ex College Girlfriend.
“I think it’s more likely they’re quite happy with this life and haven’t given a single thought to what your biased construct of “doing the right thing” might be.” awesome statement!!!!
Why tf is General Kai in this movie. He was like absolutely obliterated in the Spirit Realm. He shouldn't have come back
Tom Hardy wasn't in Upgrade, That was Logan Marshall-Green
I will not stand for this blatant misinformation.
15:22 How did I never notice this?
Same bro same
15:18 THANK YOU!
where did she have all those Mah Jong tiles stuffed? Forget it. I don't want to know.
her tail
I love watching your content you are such an honest person I love it ❤
I will say the sin about her getting two years for stealing some artifacts is linda unfair, its heavily implied that oogway/spiritual leader is just the leader or head of the valley of peace, meaning she basically kust broke into the white house
0:42 - I love it when you parody Art Garfunkel's songoing from Watership Down.
15:23 well considering they accepted Mantis, I’d say they’re just racist against chameleons.
I've been waiting for this one.
The Chameleon is like the Gary Stu with every overpowered ability he had at his disposal.
Technically she’s a mary Sue since the Chameleon is a female
15:45 Don't mind me, just a WOF fan :>. But seriously, is that gold tree branch reminding anyone of the branch Glory was chained too in the sky kingdom?/lh/hj
Honestly, this movie is fine. Is it as good as the other three Kung Fu Panda movies? No. But it's still funny, well-animated, reasonably creative, and has some nice messages for kids AND adults to chew on. So for the weakest movie in a film quadrilogy to still be reasonably good, that says alot about how AWESOME the other three movies really are.
Something that no one talks about is the fact that the chameleon uses po’s kung fu with Po vs Po even though she never took po’s Kung fu which isn’t bull
Ughhh Awkwafina is the Kevin Hart of animated films 😂
What does that mean
it wasn´t tom hardy on upgrade, it was his chameleon self Logan Marshall-Green
Tai Lung: groomed and trained his entire life for a single role, only to be told that the role was meant for someone else.
Shen: committed genocide to try and forestall a prophecy of his destruction, and was disowned by his family.
Kai: was betrayed by the person he loved as a brother, was banished to the spirit realm, and all memory of him in the living world died.
Chameleon: too small for school.
14:20 Not for me - I just block the sneeze, feel like my lungs are about to burst, then I just exhale.
Despite it being the weakest of the four, it was still fun. The cover of Baby One More Time is incredible and destroys Britney’s version