Everything GREAT About The Suicide Squad!
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- The Suicide Squad! The new one! 2021 one! Some people liked it more than the David Ayer version, I personally think it lacks a lot of Jared Leto and Will Smith but that's just me! Here's everything right with The Suicide Squad!
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"Rats are the lowliest and most despised of all creatures. If they have a purpose, so do we all" is such an intense and raw line I can't believe it came from the Suicide Squad remake
i always come back to that scene and i can’t watch it without crying. the only scene in any superhero movie that really hits me
I just.... that line stuck in my head ): 😞
Sequel* this is not a remake
IT'S NOT A FUCKING REMAKE.
@@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961 calm down
I think Cena's wrestling history is what gave him the improv ability. In pro wrestling they have the plot points but its up to the wrestlers to get there.
Cena could legitimately be a comedian
@@joshrutkowski6750 considering i only know of him because of a the meme, i definitely agree.
Used to have. WWE specifically. Nowadays it's a lot more concrete script for most guys and gals. But I guess if someone could use a concrete script as just plot points, that Big match John
@@boyankovachev7982 Yeah but cena had both enough time in a system that had a bit less of that and enough clout in his later career to improv
In WWE it depends on the performer. Big guys like Cena, Rock, Reigns are free to improvise but most performers have strict scripts that they follow.
The fact that they managed to powerfully sympathize Starro in just one line was incredible.
I remember reading something a few years ago that the shot with the astronauts holding Starro while doing a thumbs up, was a reference to the Abu Gharib prison pictures.
They somehow did that in Robot Chicken too
hearthstone spotted, like given
@@InevitableOption-ic2vx Holy shit
James Gunn is such a genius
Can we all appreciate how absolutely stellar Daniela Melchior is as Ratcatcher? Very few acting roles before this and she freaking *nailed* it.
It fits with the theme of James Gunn’s movies. Nobody in inherently born evil, it’s usually situations that force them to become that person or in this case a mind controlling star conquer
@@raezwhat3413 not sure how that's relevant to the comment you're replying to here
First English-speaking role as well
Ratcatcher 2
Yeah she did fine... I’m not jealous... I WANT TO BE RAT LADY!
Can I just say the moment hearing Idris Elba screaming like a little girl when he saw the rat swarm for the first time made me laugh way harder than it probably should’ve? Peak acting performance there. XD
Good writing and set up also. If he had done the same thing without the setup it would have had no impact.
"I'M AN ASSASSIN! WHY WOULD I SHARE A LIABILITY?!"
@@shebjess I mean he’s not wrong right?
i'll be your one thousandth like
WHY THE F*CK WOULD I WANT A LEAF???
I've noticed that DC does really well when two things happen:
1. It's rated R
2. The studio doesn't touch anything and lets the director, direct
Edit: I turned off notifs for likes and comments when this had around 50 likes... The fuck happened 😂
This was a throwaway comment that I forgot about. I agree that The Dark Knight and Shazam etc are great, truly, and The Batman showed that it doesn't need to be rated R to properly show the depravity of Gotham. Have a good day
Bvs theatrical cut was such a shame, don't even get me started on josstice league
Because Dc is inherently darker than Marvel and shouldn’t be played like a “superhero movie” the studio didn’t get it. They might get it now...or at least see the value in directors like James Gunn.
Eh, the age rating doesn't matter. All that matters is letting the directors do whatever they want.
@@buzzii I don't think DC is "inherently darker" nor should it be, but I think their problem was giving a "one size fits all" philosophy toward all their other properties. What worked for Batman and his movies does not work for someone like Superman, his complete opposite, or Shazam! which at its core, is about child escapism. And for the record, I thought Shazam! was really good (albeit intense at times, which is a given considering the director's background in horror).
@@buzzii It is not "Inherently" Darker. we only get that Impression because They only ever focus on Batman or try to build towards big things like Darkseid. Marvels Zombies, Old Man Logan and Ultimatum is far darker than even Injustice. Point is Both of them have their Dark Moments, By saying DC is Inherently Darker insinuates that characters like Booster Gold or The Doom Patrol are Dark when they arent.
Now that "Peacemaker" is out as a standalone series, i feel extra happy about him pointing out the remorse after killing flag.
being called a joke in that situation really got to him.
The scene where Peacemaker is lying on bed and crying his eyes out because of how shit his life is and the bad shit he's done is my favorite scene in the entire series.
@@nisnast His whole view of the world and himself was continuously shattered so it makes perfect sense too. Man was in a good place mentally
It's fantastic to see that Peacemaker is not an emotionless killing machine. Bravo to the show for making me empathize with him.
Peacemaker was inspired by Comedian from Watchmen. I find 'What a joke' therefor amusing.
@@Orosian5 You have it the other way around; The Comedian is based of off Peacemaker.
And current Peacemaker is nothing like the Comedian; Specially as Comedian is kind of canon in DC right now.
Starro is interesting. In most interactions of starro, he was a peaceful alien turned starfish monster and is known as “Starro the Conqueror” for making a legion from the people he starfishes. If he wasn’t evil, he was Batman’s pet to use as a sidekick who went by “Starro in a jar” or “jarro”
This iteration though he was just a cosmic entity who wanted to float peacefully in space, no intent of harming anyone until he was essentially spacenabbed and tortured. Poor fellow
While I am biased cos i absolutely adore Starro (actually the whole reason I wanted to see the movie) I wonder if they'll treat them as a species in this universe, and if they have no ill intent we could see them again in other movies or even in a good guy role, that said i don't think we are advanced enough as a species to make a Batman & Jarro movie
So he’s basically the first one
I love the passion in Idris Elba voice when he yells "It's your mum!"
Such an underrated moment 💯
Born fucking leader, he is.
Makes me that much more excited for the Knuckles spin-off show
I had even watched this video multiple times before seeing the movie, and that line still made me break down laughing for a solid minute when it hit.
She had two meanings behind it 😂😂
I love how unapologetically feminine Harleys fight scene is. She is spinning and twirling with the grace of a dancer while BRUTALLY murking her captors.
You'd be surprised over how much fight choreography is dependent on instructors or actors with a background in dance. Zoe Saldana, Chris Evans, and Tom Holland all took ballet training when they were young; now one plays the deadliest woman in the galaxy, one is famous as a super soldier and modern Superman, and the third got his role famous for a fast and agile powerset because they could flex and contort their body through ballet training.
@@NobodyC13 And don't forget Elisabeth Olsen. She also did ballet and now does these backbreaking poses while doing Wanda's magic 😍
I hadn't noticed it, she looks classy and cool, without being oversexualized...
@@marsmellow_5958 Channing Tatum also has a background in dance, apparently to help him focus and curb his ADHD growing up. And before Hugh Jackman was Wolverine, he was and continues to be an equally successful and famous theatre and Broadway actor (there's a video floating around of him practicing his tap dancing routine for The Music Man).
Harley's fighting style in her last two movies is actually pretty brilliant. When in hand-to-hand combat she fights in a way that uses her opponent's own momentum against them as opposed to trading big superhero power movies. And when that fails she just fights super dirty with cheap shots and low blows.
I think my favorite bit was when Harley says something like "If you cough without covering your mouth, you die" and Flag stops her but then says "But that doesn't give you permission to cough without covering your mouth."
“I AM ALSO WALKING BACK AND FORTH”
i'm personally offended that you didn't count the fact that when Nanaue's "new dumb friends" attacked him, we get a brief shot of the Squad--his *real* friends--swimming to him and trying to save him, risking their lives in the process. Harley can be seen pulling the alien jellyfish things off of him before the room starts to collapse.
the constant friendship theme in the movie is so wholesome and wonderful and i love it
That Starro scene with all of those people being experiments genuinely gave me nightmare. So well done.
if that actually happened i am so sorry
I’ve’ seen worse I’ve played mortal combat
@@MrKomplicated lasted about a week😅
didn't give me nightmares, but was legit hard to watch. not the biggest fan of body horror.
"they're corpses below those stars" made me shudder. Somehow, Capaldi's accent and delivery make it even more horrifying.
“I was happy. Floating in space… staring at the stars.” Not gonna lie, this made me cry.
no like that line is so poignant and gutwretching
@@sunanimoon it's not
@@maxmillion7431 a creature taken from it's home to unwittingly cause destruction and then eventually die, yeah i think it's pretty poignant
@@sunanimoon not really
@@maxmillion7431 does everyone named max just have no sense of sympathy for anything at all?
Fun Fact: Ratcatcher's backstory, expecificly the up the roof looking at the stars, was recorded in Porto, Portugal. I recognise my country if i see it
Noice
Ya, Portugal é bonito demais para não se reconhecer. Eu fiquei super feliz quando vi representação portuguesa num filme tão grande como o Esquadrão Suicida.
É nos clerigos ainda por cima. W choice
I love the movie so much; it's really everything a Suicide Squad movie should be, but I do like that they don't completely ignore the first one
Yeah I agree far better and funnier than the first one
@@wolfgang6442 This is just better in every way. That first one wasn't even a film, but this inarguably is one.
I think my favorite aspect of Starro is that The Thinker gave him his name. It's almost a hint for Starro's devastating final line. Starro in this movie was not a conqueror. He was just happy to exist and float endlessly through space. When he came to Earth against his will, it's The Thinker that calls him a conqueror which makes everyone assume he's a horrid monster bent on world domination. What a solid twist to the character and another amazing subversion from Mr. James Fucking Gunn
And he only claimed the city not the entire planet, as revenge for what it did to him.
Yeah, as someone who enjoys Starro from the comics, him being a trajic figure was not something I was expecting.
This is mostly unrelated, but it also makes me weirdly happy to hear The Doctor name something that sounds like it came from that series
I'm almost positive Starro was just headed to Cape Canaveral or something and didnt really want anything to do with taking over the world unless it had to.
@@jrpueyo7531 And, you know, one city for decades of torture? Not a bad deal for the world to be completely honest. :shrug:
I just can't imagine how James Gunn pitched the ending to the producers.
"So they're going to fight a giant extraterrestrial starfish and then the girl who can summons rats is going to have him eaten alive by her rats."
After the producers give him weird looks: "...what, is it more or less weird than Marvel getting a talking tree over as a significant supporting cast member? Because I did that, too."
he probably said "starro" and they got it
@@StoneStephenT a talking tree that only speaks 3 word's which can translate into many things.
If only there was a parody on UA-cam showing off what Pitch Meetings could have been like in a comedic way which could perfectly capture what you said. But making that would not be super easy and an inconvenience.
"....you crazy bastard! .... we're in, take all our money."
Sebastians little sigh when Idris Elba refused to shake his hand was amazing and showed the detail that Gunn put into these characters.
I like what they did with Flagg in this one. He's been on a few jobs with the Squad by the time of this movie, so instead of being the RA or tattletale of the group, he's become the sort of disapproving but protective older brother. Especially to Harley, which makes sense since the two of them have probably been on the most missions together. The friendship they have in this is very sweet.
I was legitimately sad when he died
I would have given a win for Harley yelling "NO" when polka dot man threw dots at the guards and set off a bomb. I thought it was genius because she's always treated like a bimbo blonde, even in that very scene, but she is a very intelligent trained psychiatrist, and given the fact that she often, if not always, worked with criminals, she would know how easily some explosives can be triggered
facts
she is smart but you forgot one thing joker made her well kinda insane and with those brain zap thingies it might be she isnt as smart anymore
@@zivo9453 She's insane, not stupid
She does have that extreme plot armor
@@putalover4519 that no one can deny. At least the movie treats as if it were a super power with how she acts and all.
I still love how so many people were surprised at John Cena's acting ability, especially after Dwayne Johnson got popular. I know wrestling gets a bad rap, but as silly as it can be sometimes it's still acting. And so much of it is improvised, you can't do well in that kind of field without a lot of talent. I'm not even a fan of wrestling in general, but there are way too many people who don't realize that the "big dumb muscle guy" thing is often just as much a part of the act as the hammy acting itself.
I think the surprise is mainly due to the material Cena was given to work with while performing for WWE. (He wasn't being given Gunn-level scripts, after all.) His turn as an actor has been aided by directors working with, and scripts that play to, his natural strengths as a performer (comedic timing and line delivery). He might've never been this good without the time he spent in WWE, but I do wonder if he could've had a much longer (and much better) career in film than he did in wrestling if he'd left his full-time WWE position a few years earlier than he did.
I feel like that is because a lot of other athletes (assuming you count wrestling) just aren't good actors. And then there were a number of wrestlers that tried and failed, it really wasn't until recently that wrestler-->actor turned out great
@@xger21 IMO pro-wrestlers are absolutely athletes because a lot of what they do requires so much fitness but they're still overshadowed by the drug scandals, even if they're nowhere near as rampant as they once were. But yeah, Cena and Johnson have the benefit of doing projects that mostly stick to - and improve on - talents they already had. Unlike, say, HHH in Blade: Trinity...shit, even Edge has dabbled in this genre a bit and he's done relatively well from what little I've seen
It's like actors who just decide to start singing careers. If you don't have the talent in the first place, or if you don't start off by sticking with what you know and THEN building, you're screwed.
@@DavidGowers you can't forget about dave bautista
@@stephencarrillo9022 Rock and Cena may be leading man types, but Bautista has the makings of a damn good character actor.
“Just keep throwing money at James Gunn”
This aged exponentially well.
Honestly I cannot hate this god damn movie.
Margot Robbie still being an amazing Harley Quinn, Sylvester Stallone as King Shark, everyone’s performances, and don’t get me started on John Cena’s great performance that solidified me for him as an amazing actor.
What truly made me love this movie is the pure aesthetic of this movie and the use of its environment of this movie. It truly feels like I’m watching a “Comic Book Movie”.
Oh, King Shark is voiced by Mr. Stallone? Nice. First he's in GotG2 and now this, heh
I guess it's official that James Gunn is _the_ comic book movie director. First, he nails the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and now he kills it with the Suicide Squad?
“Peacemaker what a Joke.”
You could see and even feel the heartbreak on John Cena’s face hearing that, it almost makes you wonder if he was hoping Bloodsport would catch him trying to kill Flagg/Ratchatcher.
Because Peacemaker knows Bloodsport is the only one who can stop him in the group.
you could see and even feel the heartbreak on his face, after him quite literally breaking someones heart. ironic.
@@quinnobrien4517 Is it also weird I wouldn’t mind John Cena being the next Terminator?
@@castbet9183 i could actually picture that
@@quinnobrien4517 Yeah I think he could pull it off as an Arnold Variation. I also liked Gabriel Luna, both play a terminator very well
@@castbet9183 wait, thats actually somehow a good idea
I legitimately started to cry during the Taika Waititi flashback of Ratcatcher 1. As ridiculous as this movie was, it had a heart that I felt was missing from the previous film and it genuinely touched me beyond being an entertaining comic book inspired flick.
That's just James Gunn: putting heart into a movie that just needs to be fun and elevating it, as well as getting great performances out of his actors.
Ooof, yeah. Also all of Harley’s growth, even though she’s bloody nuts, is still so good and moving and totally lines up with her past roles
I cried like 4 times with this movie and 3 were with Nanaue. The other one was this
Like Gunn, Waititi is a comedy genius that can also come with a ton of heart and a genuine sweetness. You weren't alone in your tears.
Nanaue at the fish tank and the ratcatcher flashback got a bigger emotional reaction out of me than they should have
Did anyone noticed that in 12:41, when Harley stabbed the dude's foot with the javelin, his bleeding formed a heart?
(More like 12:37, but yea!! Awesome detail that I didn’t notice)
Wow gr8 eye
James Gunn somehow made a movie with
- Staro
- arm fall off boy
- polka dot man
And somehow it is one of the best DCU movies
"You see that Abner? THATS YOUR MUM!", also "Monster is Nom Nom?" "YES!". Nothing further needs to be said, this movie is a goddamn masterpiece.
The fact that not only in 2021 they got a yo mama joke into a mainstream popular movie but also made it land shows how great this flick is
My favorite is the "This city is theirs" part
Another win for Margot actually grabbing the keys and unlocking the chains herself. I think she got it on the first or second take too. David Dastmalchian also does a great job on The Flash on CW as Abra Cadabra the few times he's shown up. Dude has some range and it's great he gets to show off in a big variety.
The best part of her doing it herself, was she only did it because she figured because of Once Upon A Time in Hollywood and Tarrantinos close ups, people would know if they were her feet or not lol
I'm still sad about how Dastmalchian was completely wasted in Dune.
Yes, she did it first take. In fact, Gunn was gonna get a double, but she said 'I think I can do this' and then did it so quickly they couldn't get a pan-out shot, so you only see her feet. Gunn set the shot like that cuz it was supposed to be a double.
This is truly fantastic and we should appreciate her even more for this. I remember the first time I saw it someone mentioned how impossible it was, the fact that anyone let alone Margot did it is fantastic.
Quentin Tarantino trained her well
Another thing in this movie that I think goes unnoticed is that Starro repeatedly says this CITY is mine. It’s a very minute detail that adds depth to his character. He never planned on taking over the world or even the entire country. All he wanted was revenge on the people who tortured him. I feel like it makes his final words hit harder when you rewatch it
i love how they chose to not get involved in the coup because it wasn't " part of their mission " but they indirectly aided them to win by attracting all military forces to the tower, the little details like that made this movie so much better.
Loved it. Only thing missing was a "Doctor Who is that?" win for Capaldi.
And the Thinker's reaction to Rat Catcher2's threat.
Yes I wish James Gunn did miss
I didn't realize that was him until I saw this video and was like "that guy with the spiky things looks like Peter Capaldi" looked up on IMDB and was happy that I was right. I don't really watch these kinds of movies, so I just look for different ways to experience them, like this channel!
I completely missed it was him until the moment I heard him speak in this video
I just realized that Peter Capaldi is the second Scottish actor from Doctor Who to play a bald character in a James Gunn movie. The first one being Karen Gillan as Nebula in GOTG.
Rick Flag's death was a gut punch, big time.
Katana was supposed to have his back.
@TheGlassesPro also he allowed Joel Kinneman to actually act and shine in the role
@TheGlassesPro Man I hope she shows up again under Gunn with lines.
she didn't have his front i guess
😂
Truest thing about Harley's red flags monologue. It hit home and it hurt. The film is brilliant a million other times, but that particularly resonated.
It's so nice to hear someone break down the Harley monologue. This movie actually made me tear up a few times:
Harley's speech and acknowledgement not only of her own mistakes/sins, but her defining of her own morality. There is always just something off about any portraysl of Harley and I love where the modern versions are taking her development.
The other moments that got me were Rat catcher's Burdens scene and of course "I was happy...staring at the stars." How dare you make me mourn a hive mind alien creature, Gunn?! How dare you do it twice!
Such a powerful line from Starro, esp in a film overflowing with American nationalism. (it's no coincidence Starro said this line via the body of the Banana Republic General, who was also mislead and doomed from the start).
That line becomes even heavier once you watch Peacemaker and learn about the butterflies.
The Suicide Squad is 1 of my favorite comics films. All the characters were gr8
Two points I wanted to make that just elevate this movie even more for me
1)When Bloodsport, Peacemaker, and Flag are held captive in the van all three of them at the exact same time do pretty much exactly the same thing just in slightly different ways as a joke on how these three characters have functionally the same abilities but just come in different flavors
2) The thing that really brings this to a god-tier movie for me is just how they have the perfect theme for a movie about "these guys are villains so they're expendable" presented in a kinda perfect metaphor.
The life lesson Taika Waititi Ratcatcher delivers near the end is just that even the lowliest things on Earth have a purpose and are worth as much as anything else. Its a perfect deconstruction of the thing the Suicide Squad was built on, these characters being expendable bc they're villains. Bc they still have feelings and desires and are people, even if they've done some bad stuff and have been in jail for a while.
It's just the perfect movie is what I'm saying
I truly agree that this is a perfect movie. It's legitimately my favorite film of 2021. Everything works.
@@W3irdWombat Nah mate, Weasel living made it even better. Me and my buddy the whole movie would regularly look at each other and be like "I'm telling you he's alive" or "nah fam, he's dead".
I wouldn't call it "perfect" because it's a fact that no movie is.
@@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961 its hyperbole my guy
Go watch CinemaSins. It is not a perfect movie
One of the other Nanaue bits that I didn't notice the first time around was when he was stuck in the van while the others were in the bar. They were drinking and bonding, and he was in the van, wiping his tears, and that was just such a great little moment.
Another one is when Bloodsport is describing what his father did to him. We were introduced to Peacemaker being a bit of a joke and copy of him, but the fact that he nods along to Bloodsport's story shows another side that's relatable between both of them. Fantastic little bit.
@TheGlassesPro bandage? Thought that was the C4 they put on his head to blow it up, just like the rest of the squad. You can't be a member if you don't have a bomb in/on your head, right?
(spoiler warning for Peacemaker show, seriously check it out if you can) Peacemaker nodding along to Bloodsport's story is something that makes what we see in the show even better, as a lot of what the show does is take the evil douche Captain America that was Peacemaker in the suicide squad movie and start to actually expand upon that little bit of connection until you realize that Peacemaker was nodding along because his dad also subjected him to horrible torture to try to make him a more effective killer.
Honestly I think a win should've been given for the subtle touch that after mourning Polka-Dot Man, Ratcatcher 2 carries that piece of his costume all the way onto the transport at the end as a sign he'll be remembered. I'd love if she shows up again later having sewn it into her costume somewhere.
Fun Fact: Originally Bloodsport's part was written AS Deadshot FOR Will Smith, but he was to be committed to another role at the time of filming so they repurposed Deadshot's part into Bloodsport for Idris Elba.
I absolutely loved John Cena’s performance as Peacemaker. It was so refreshing seeing him not just play himself but a real character. I’m so excited to see more of Peacemaker in his show!
Facts my fav character in this so cool to see his range and my fav cbm rn
Series is out now. He plays this part so freaking well.
What do you think now?
@@jacksongreen4107 s tier show
Agreed
Word of God:
-James Gunn has stated that he never considered putting the Joker in the film, or talked to Jared Leto about it, due to his not having any useful skills for the squad's mission.
-Prior to the film's release, Gunn revealed that Superman survived being shot with Kryptonite by Bloodsport, after some fans expressed concern that Superman was being *written out of the franchise.*
-After the film's release, Gunn explained that Waller assigned Flag to Squad A, *intending to sacrifice him as a distraction;* because Flag *casually insulted her* sometime before the film's events.
-Gunn explained that Polka-Dot Man is not actually as broken up about Milton's death as he seems, and was merely seizing an opportunity for attention and second-hand sympathy.
you don't need gunn to tell you that waller and flagg thing since the first movie's events are enough for someone like her to want to kill him off, even if gunn says it was for something else
Don't like the last point, pkd being sad about Milton made him look normal and down to earth compared to the others
@@expensive-brother Wanting attention and playing it up for sympathy isn't normal and down-to-earth?
Also, apparently TDK is still alive according to Gunn.
@@Duiker36 not by using a person's death for it. Tiktok be damned.
Really seems like after Suicide Squad, DC learned it's lesson and actually started giving the artists they hire...actual artistic freedom. With what we're getting now with the Joker, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, and soon with The Batman...ugh. I'm just so excited for what's to come now.
12:25 for some reason, one of the soldiers hitting the camera was funny to me. Actually, anytime the camera gets hit in movies always gives me a little chuckle.
On the thing with the birds - I think there's a big theme of freedom throughout the movie. Starro never hurt anyone until his freedom was taken away, Ratcatcher 2 was unjustifiably incarcerated, Flagg's been locked into running these suicide missions despite being a pretty exemplary soldier, Polka Dot Man is never free from his mother's presence, Bloodsport is only doing this to free his daughter, Harley was a functioning member of society until her freedom was taken away by an abusive relationship... the use of "Hey" (specifically the bit where Francis and Kim scream "chained!") as they walk towards almost certain death really drove this home for me - the Squad are chained, they don't have the freedom to not risk their lives for a government that has failed them. I think the birds that show up throughout illustrate regular people, rather than the Squad who are likened to rats. Some of the birds are admired by the characters in the movie, some are killed by them, some feed on their deaths, some are allowed to stay completely oblivious to what's going on
Or maybe the birds are just there to illustrate what the Squad want to be? Whatever the case I think it's related to freedom
This is what I was thinking, too, except I thought the menagerie of birds in Luna's mansion was representative of the Squad themselves. They're unique, bright and colorful...and yet their entire existence is to be in a cage until the head of a state needs them for something.
"Bird :D"
_--King "Nanaue" Shark_
Ratcatcher 2 has the personality of a hero, but it's like she didn't get a chance to finish her origin story. Like good people with so much potential who can't get there because of a flawed justice system and being forever labelled a criminal because of it.
I like that take, that the birds represent freedom. To add to that, I think the bird murder at the beginning was a result Michael Rooker’s character’s jealousy for the bird, which was free - unlike him.
what you said about that just also dived the “i was content with watching the stars” home. idk how they related in my head but the did
Has anyone noticed that in both movies Harley struck the main villain with a weapon took from a character named after said weapon? Katana's katana in the first movie and Javelin's javelin in this one.
Ok let search all the weapon named characters in the dc one of them will apear in the third
@@pedrohenriquemoraessantos1164 One already did in both SS and TSS, Captain Boomerang. RIP Boomer.
@@AdiNatu96 his death come out of nowere
I miss Katana
@@oldmanlukeskywalker5374 We all do
Ngl I was actually scared for rat, I thought peace was going to shoot her and bloodsport would kill him for it… knowing she made it out alive was amazing. Honestly her and bloodsport were amazing
Ratcatcher 2 was just a beautiful addition to the movie. Every comic book character is exceptionally well thought out and characterized, no matter how small they were in that comic. Someone had to think of them, give them a name and a backstory, write their lines, go over painstaking story boards, go over line-work and colours with an artist, weave them into a plot with other characters and so much more to incorporate them into a comic. Sometimes you can just ad lib in movies and that spontaneity is an art form on its own but sometimes I forget how much effort and time goes into comic books because you can flip through them so fast. You can really see it in this movie with Ratcatcher 2 and even Pokeadot man. They have such small parts in the movie but they have a back-round just as thought out and original and interesting as the 'main' characters. I really love how Gunn highlighted everyones story, even if it was quick. Ratcatcher 2 was probably my favourite secondary character (ba dum chhhh) ever in a comic book movie at least. Beautifully played, short but exceptionally meaningful lines and I was crossing my fingers hoping they would take a risk and that she would get a tv show actually. Personally i'd be more excited about that vs Peacemaker but I understand John Cena already has an audience and he did play the character pretty well.
So a small thing that I love about this movie is that the joke isn't "LOL, Polkadot Man's mom is fat!", it's "Oh, that's an unfortunate thing to deal with and in an unhealthy way". The scene of him in the club was really got me with the "Oof, that's a Yikes" feeling. I appreciate that the fat older lady or his abuse isn't the joke. Well done, Gunn!!
Also, this was one of the few movies where I immediately noticed the score. Starro's death is weird and kinda disturbing but it has such a sweet melody that I was drawn to it.
He's also a super tragic character, his mom wanted to create superheroes and instead she infected him and his siblings with an alternate dimension alien virus and created a bunch of supervillians. He dies thinking he's a superhero, that he lived up to that expectation.
@@darkmyro The tragedy beneath the comedy of his death is that, for one brief moment, he was a superhero.
I really disagree here. Sure, it was never explicitly spelled out, but that's because nobody ever actually saw her except for her son. There was never a moment where her appearance was treated as normal. When she gets shown, it's meant to be jarring or unappealing. There's never a moment of subversion with it.
@@darkmyro And he technically did. Taking out one of Starro's limbs was actually the final death knell for the alien. The javelin and the rats were just the killing blow.
*Additional win:* When Davis, as Waller, tells Flag to remain on-mission, she displays the most emotion she'll show (aside from foaming-at-the-mouth rage). She hates sacrificing Flag. People have asked why she put Harley on the distraction team, but it's clear she's...not a fan.
Gunn is amazing at making team films where you actually love every character in that team. He is clearly one of the best filmmakers in the business today. The problem with so many big studio superhero films is they never cared about these characters and they never put the same love and effort into them.
I freaking weeped at Peacemaker and Flag scene cuz... he immediately regreted it, you could see it in his face, because the team had bonding time throughout the movie, they were friends.
So, the thing that got me about the bullets colliding is that their choice of bullet actually makes sense. I don't know a ton about guns but I think Peacemaker was using hollow points and Bloodsport was using armor piecing. Hollow point bullets have a stubby, hollow tip that expands into shrapnel when they hit something, are almost impossible to patch up, and are super painful if you don't die from them. This also explains why it breaks apart when coming up against a hardened armor piercing round. And on that note, Armor piercing rounds are just designed to go through anything it hits, no gimmicks just pure penetrating power. So their ammunition choice actually makes sense for their characters. Peacemaker is causing destruction and pain but does not expect every shot to kill. Bloodsport, on the other hand, is using the round that makes the most sense if he is confident that he will always hit his mark and just needs to get the job done with one shot.
But as a note, this is just how I read into the scene and I only have a very rudimentary understanding of guns and ammunition. The bullets could mean nothing other than the call back to smaller bullets, or they could just be different because Peacemaker is using a pistol and Bloodsport is using a riffle (kind of, idk what you would call his transforming gun). Either way, I thought some other people might find my take on this interesting.
PS: The scene I am discussing is at 17:44
I would agree with this analysis to an extent!
But one of the other advantages of hollow points is that because they break apart on impact they don't pass through the body, so they're unlikely to cause collateral damage to anyone standing behind them. Which doesn't seem like the sorta thing Peacemaker would be too worried about...
Hollow points expand on impact and make a wider wound cavity. This slows the bullet down more than it would if it didn't have a hollow point. So the bullet is less likely to penetrate as far, but the wound will be larger and will bleed more. They are typically used for hunting because they damage less meat and are generally more lethal. They are also used for self-defense rounds, again because they are more immediately lethal.
Blood Sport was using what looked to me like full metal jacketed bullet. These are generally less expensive then hollow points, they tend to penetrate more but cause a more narrow wound channel. Full metal jacketed bullets can sometimes fail to kill/incapacitate because they travel through a body without hitting anything important; they are sometimes more likely to over penetrate a target; but are also probably better against harder targets such as people wearing body armor. With Blood Sport being able to transform his weapon it's entirely possible that he uses whichever ammo type is appropriate for the situation; and he knew Peace Maker was using wider hollow points so he chose FMJs.
It is also possible Blood Sport was using armor piercing ammunition. If so it would behave much like a FMJ but it would have a solid hard core in the tip designed to help the bullet pierce through armor. It would otherwise share most of the characteristics of FMJ. It wouldn't be designed to expand, but rather is designed to maximize penetrating power. They are ideal for targets wearing armor, but worse than hollow points against flesh.
So, its passable for a movie, but in real life two bullets colliding would probably stick together and go tumbling away, all straight forward momentum being messed up. Hollow points don't break into a bunch of pieces but mushroom backwards causing a bigger entry cavity, but good catch that to make it make any sense they used one for peacemaker's shot
12:15 5 extra wins to Margot Robbie for actually doing this impossible scene of gymnastics in one take without effects. When I first saw it someone said how impossible it was. Not only was it possible, she did it for real. It's amazing.
I love that my favorite Doctor has vacuum tubes in his head and that’s not the weirdest thing in this movie.
I dunno why, but I loved that little "nom nom?" "no, thats not num num"
I'm surprised you didn't includes Ratcatcher's line "if i die because i gambled in love, it will be a worthy death" when she's talking to king shark in the jungle. i feel like it shows what kind of a person she is. that line has stuck with me since the first time I saw this movie, definitely my new favorite quote.
Extra bonus win for me is that Ratcatcher 2 showed how a potential Squirrel Girl film could work. I know it's ridiculously unlikely, but she's my favourite superhero, and this gives me some faint hope she might make it to the screen.
The MCU almost made a show about her back in the 2019. Unfortunately it was cancelled, it seem it was because of covid. The actress that was going to play her was going to be Milana Vayntrub aka the AT&T girl.
One day hopefully
@@ricardobalcazar1227 It wasn't anything to do with Covid. They had a pilot that was apparently good, but none of the networks were willing to pick it up and finance a full season.
Then when all the old shows like agents of shield and the Netflix stuff got killed off to make space for Disney+, New Warriors just got forgotten about and abandoned.
Ratcatcher 2 is what a wanted every Disney princess to do. THROW A ARMY OF WOODLAND CRITTERS AT YOUR ENEMIES.
Starro was a really disturbing villain to me. From the way it moves, to how it spawns so many of the starlings, to the way it body snatches so many innocent people. It really got under my skin
I really do think this is one of the best movies I've seen. It's funny, it's heartbreaking, it's fun and enjoyable, it has deeper meaning, it's clever, it makes you care, I could keep going - I just think it's a masterclass in movie making
"My father was an imperfect man, but he loved me. I would give that to you, if I could." I cried when Ratcatcher 2 was talking about her father. And her earnestness in wishing she would give the parental love she experienced to Bloodsport shows exactly what kind of person she is: compassionate, hopeful. Just that scene did more for the characters than the entire first Suicide Squad movie. James Gunn finds the humanity in even the strangest or more alien characters, and I love his work because of it.
Of the four characters who returned from 2016 SS, the one I was the most surprised by was Rick Flagg. Harley, Boomer, and Waller all ranged from fine to great in that one, but Flagg was such a generic and boring character. Joel Kinneman was so good in this one and it's like night and day with the performances. You could tell from everything we've seen in the behind the scenes stuff that all involved, from the cast, crew, and especially James Gunn, had a ton of fun doing this movie and I enjoyed it a lot!
Cuz of this character, I remember it the director’s fault if characters aren’t interesting or boring. James Gunn vs whoever directed the other one is night and day.
"Peace Maker, what a joke"
Rick Flag is almost as much a key part of the Suicide Squad as Amanda Waller, so of course he's back for this one. And there's a decent chance that, if they do another Suicide Squad movie, he'll be back for that one too.
See, I think you kind of need a character like Flagg in Suicide Squad (any movie/group). You get this bunch of completely insane weirdos of every degree and you need a straight shooter not just to keep them in place but also but also a straight man for all the comedy. Idris Elba arguably plays that role in this one, since Flagg isn't around for most of it.
@@rmsgrey but he is... dead?
The gore in this movie made me REALLY uncomfy but I still liked it, especially Polka-dot Man. We stan Polka-dot Man.
21:22 This aged spectacularly.
One of the things I love most about this movie, and that I think few people beyond James Gunn could pull off, is that every character feels so unique. In interviews, Gunn said he wrote each member as if they were from their own movie universe, then plunked them all together to see what happened. It's such a fun idea and it works so perfectly for a comic book movie.
I noticed that too! Ratcatcher in particular is definitely from a Pixar Big Hero 6 type movie.
@@crofoegbu6535 And Harley was straight up from a cartoon, Flag from a video game.... huh... you are right.
Peacemaker feels like he's from a Schwarzenegger style action movie, Bloodsport feels like he's from a sci-fi western movie. It totally fits.
@@mungdaal9643 yes, exactly! 😄
@@mungdaal9643 what about polka dot man kids show about shapes maybe
I fully believe Peacemaker genuinely became friends and loved the squad, but to him, his silly idea of peace comes before all else
There's a reason why Peacemaker was the first draft/would have been had DC went for it/inspiration for The Comedian of Watchmen fame.
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I mean they are still making a peacemaker movie.
@@buzzii actually it’s a TV show, not a movie
I agree, this is why Peacemaker gave them several chances to just give him the Hard Drive, when we are shown he has absolutely no quañms about casual murder. If he hadn't cared at all, he would have shot Flag in the head the second he said he was going to expose the government, and Ratcatcher would have died long before Bloodsport dropped in.
I love the Tarantino-esque feel of this movie. It feels like some Spaghetti-Vietnam-War movie from like 1978. It’s almost a combination of Inglorious Basterds, The Inglorious Bastards, and the 2016 Suicide Squad, as well as that Guardians of the Galaxy wit that the 2016 Suicide Squad seemingly tried to emulate. This is the exact kind of movie that the Suicide Squad were supposed to make.
"I call it Star-O the Conquerer!"
"Don't we all?"
There was a beat before I started laughing loud enough to startle my pets.
For some reason, I just love the scene between Harley and Bloodsport at 13:02. Like just how casually they introduce themselves to each other and the little ‘that’s alright’ Bloodsport says when Harley apologises for not introducing herself yet. I don’t know why but I just love it.
Exactly, me too! It just feels so natural. It makes me realise how stiff dialogue in superhero films are where they’re always acting stoic and speaking profoundly. A simple “hey, you doing alright?” hits hard
I commend James Gunn for adapting Starro. We never would have seen that in a Zack Snyder movie, and Starro was the original Justice League villain. Heck, they still haven't even produced an animated movie based on Brave And The Bold #28.
Starro was also the main antagonist in one "episode" of the MMO DCUniverse Online and actualy quite well-adapted without looking silly. Plus a good opportunity to have more bossfights with Superman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter...
Love that when put in context with the Peacemaker show, it's so great to see how the moment with Flag leads to his development in the show. So much awesome!
You forgot to win my favorite exchange in the movie.
_"You didn't tell me you had a rat phobia, DuBois."_
_"I'M AN ASSASSIN! WHY WOULD I SHARE MY LIABILITIES?!"_
12:32 Also I wanted to point out something in this film that I don’t know if its a win or just a fun thought but here goes:
In the scene where Harley is being tortured, you can hear her mumble singing “Just a Gigolo” to avoid their questions and when she regains power and starts shooting all of them the actual song starts playing.
This reminded me of how music is used in “Joker”. In the sense where you don’t know if its diegetic or non-diegetic music.
If you don’t know, diegetic music is when the characters in the movie are actually are actually hearing it, like if its playing on the radio or their with headphones on. And non-diegetic is the music that is just there for the audience and not actually in the setting of the movie.
That was used in “Joker” in the way that, the character is so mad and such an unreliable narrator that we are questioning all the time, not only if things are actually happening, but also if the music we are hearing is normal or actually playing in Arthur’s mind.
Since both Joker and Harley are crazy, unreliable characters, it leads me to think:
In this scene is the music diegetic or non diegetic?
Was the song being played for the audience as a continuation of her mumbling, or is Harley actually hearing this in her head as she is fighting? Like we are being presented to Harley’s reality not only through the flowers and animated birds but also through what she is hearing.
This is a really interesting question and my answer is to say the music is in Harley's head. Much like when she leaves the building all the flowers and birds stay behind so does the music. You can actually hear that when she is in the taxi the music is still playing but it sounds like it is coming from inside the building so in that way it is diegetic but as it all is from Harley's head it is non-diegetic. It's a very well used technique and an excellent way to incorporate a needle drop that actually has some thought behind it
holy shit, very good observation and I would say that it's 100% in her head, along with the rest of the stylised things going on around her. gunn really is an incredible director
well damn
You could just say Savant killing the canary is like both a reference to how he used to join the Birds of Prey in the comics and hint that he is enemies with Black Canary in the DCEU and is probably the one who got him arrested.
Also pretty fun when the same canary ends up getting their just dessert.
There's a Black Canary movie in the works. Maybe Savant could appear as a way to explain how he ended up at Belle Reve.
I remember leaving the cinema amazed I was so happy they made something this good and I turn to my parents and they just go "That was horrible, worse than the first, I'm so incredibly disappointed" and I just had no clue how to react
I actually felt bad because my mom went to see it with me because she liked the first one and because she likes The Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and I had no idea there was going to be so much gore. She had to end up walking out because she couldn't take it. I felt so bad for her.
Ratcatcher 2 was my favourite part of the movie. The actress who plays her did fantastic.
I did notice Milton, the 1st time watching THE Suicide Squad. The bit after his death was extra funny because I was already whispering to my wife "If that dude is going with the squad, he shouldn't be wearing sandals"
Same. I noticed him in the rain scene immediately and wondered why he was there. I was thinking "Dude, you're loyal, but what can you do?" I also noticed him looking over his shoulder as they went into the building and in the cubicle room, before he was killed. I was about as upset at his death as Polka-Dot man, but I laughed my ass off when Bloodsport asked "Is he still with us?". I yelled in the theater "YES! HOW DID YOU MISS HIM?!"
Why didnt Margot get a win for doing the key scene without a stunt double? Impressive as hell
It tells a lot about the person if they can tell if it is Margot Robbie’s feet or a stunt double.
Jokes aside yeah that was great work by her. The whole movie made her insanity feel sane (but still also feel off) and that’s thanks to her incredible performance and the writing.
"Peacemaker...what a joke"that line gives me chills everytime
I absolutely love the use of the chapter cards and how they are built into the world. It felt so much like a comic book panel introducing you to the next comic of the story
I remember being so confused at the beginning of this movie, was not expecting any of that to happen. I was expecting some of them to die but the remaining ones to all manage to escape. But nope, they all died, or atleast I thought they had, and was reeling in the cinema. Then when it went to the "Three Days Earlier" on the toilet, I didn't notice the words on the bowl, so it took me longer than I care to admit that it's doing a flash back.
There are certain steps in story telling that we are expecting to happen and Gunn seems to enjoy faking them out. Not complaining, I absolutely loved this movie, I just needed to see it twice...
Ratcatcher 2 and King Shark need to have another movie because they were easily my two favorites. The friendship between the two was amazing and they’re both so precious. Plus Daniela is an incredible actress
One of my favorite scenes has to be when Flag Bloodsport and Peacemaker kill the guys in the van it was just so badass to see how they're all so skilled and in sync in this moment and then the comedic bit where Bloodsport reveals he doesn't smoke, loved it
i love that they made polka-dot man an actual character, rather than just a joke throwaway. Also the ability to turn people into chunky salsa. Gross. Cool, but gross.
Starro’s final line man, i’m so glad other people feel as strongly about it as i do. something about it just hit really hard.
Well, humans in DC love to mess with what they don't understand and sacrifice other people who don't deserve it at all. And STARRO...is one unfortunate creature. At least, he'll be part of the stars in spirit.
My problem with that line is it came *after* the line "This city is ours". If all Starro wanted was to go back into space, then why is it taking over a city? Why, after taking over hundreds of human minds, didn't it just have one of them say "Look, all I want is to go home, there's no need for us to fight"? I get that it's pissed off and probably wants to punish some humans on its way back home, but this is Starro "The Conqueror", and it's f*cking conquering Earth.
I love the bird scene with Nanaue because - despite his low intelligence being a risk for the mission - Flag calmly, politely even, askes him to stay of the com. Talking about compassionate communication.
17:20 the first time i watched i went crying to my room because king shark was my favorite character and i thought he died so i was heartbroken there
14:21 - I legit yelled "Fatality!" when this happened in theatre. I really hope you get to win the 2021 "Mortal Kombat".
Speaking of the"Harley Quinn" animated series, her post-Joker life, the character, and the actress themselves. I hope we get a DCEU projects where Harley Quinn teams and hooks up with Poison Ivy. I just wanna see that ship brought to life on the big screen, especially since we got a foreshadowing moment of that on the HISHE parody for this movie. Never change Harley and Margot, never change
I was hoping for the dceu harley and Ivy would hook up, because the animated show got me so in to Ivy x kiteman that I genuinely didn't want it to end. They got me to care about kiteman. Fucking kiteman.
even margot herself said that she is very indeed open for harley quinn to be bisexual. (meaning she doesn't mind kissing a woman, etc
This...along with every dc villain potentially meeting in this dceu
@@buzzii but apparently the new flash film will change the universe or something. when it comes out the suicide squad never happened (im pretty sure. not 100 percent)
@@mrmoezy5042 maybe the flash film will be standalone from the suicide films?
Additionally, Gunn has stated that TDK never actually died and remained in critical condition. So, there are three survivors from Team A: Weasel, Harley, and T.D.K.
My only complaint is that they killed off polka-dot man. He's one of my favorite dc villains, alongside Condiment King and kiteman.
The fight with Flagg and peacemaker was genuinely tense as I didn't know who was gonna lose
David Dastmalchian has now been in The Dark Knight, The Flash, Gotham, Ant-Man (and Ant-Man 2) and The Suicide Squad.
He's also in the 2-parter animated adaptation of Batman: The Long Halloween as Calendar Man.
So, i know nobody asked for it, but here they are all references to latin america:
- Corto Maltes it’s a legendary character in argentinian comic books.
- Fernet it’s a real drink, but you have to mix it with coca cola and ice otherwhise it taste horrible
- Miguel character has a key chain of Mafalda, another argentinian comic book character.
- The expression “no seas boludo che, dale dejame entrar” (don’t be a jerk, let me in), also argentinian
- They eat empandas de pollo, wich, you gesset it, are an argentinian food (the best are from Salta o Tucuman)
I don’t know if they are any other references, probably they are, but those were the ones y could count
I was really shocked that they added a real southamerican accent, it actually gave me a laugh because i immediately recognized it because im Chilean
In my opinion this is the most perfect comic book movie ever!! Please give James Gunn more stuff to direct, this guy's a mastermind!!
I just can't believe the Doctor was walking around with screwdrivers in his head, looking like Daveros. The hero has become the villain indeed
Two things I wanna throw in (to an already brilliant video, so props to you Lee!):
17:48: Not only does Bloodsport shoot exactly through Peacemaker’s bullet, he also blows his gun apart! Fun detail for someone who’s clearly that good a shot.
Also, more of a general point, but I love how less serious Rick Flag is immediately in this. Instead of his weird standoffish demeanour with the Squad in the 2016 version (which does make sense, esp if that’s their first outing and this is a few years into it all), he’s much more welcoming and treats them humanely; shaking Savant’s hand, asking what name he prefers, drinking with Bloodsport and being confused but also happy to see him instead of the usual standoffish relationship you’d expect. It makes him a much more well-rounded character and makes his death that much more heartbreaking, IMO.
"Rats are the lowliest and most despised of all creatures my love, if they have purpose, so do we all!"
~Ratcatcher
Never thought Ratcatcher as a character(s) could be used in such a beautiful way. It was awesome as a fan to see both versions, the father daughter dynamic was truly just an awesome bonus.
I like that she says "kind of a red flag" considering she helped Joker kill Robin in this universe, a kid/teenager
(cut to Harley painting Rick Flagg completely red while Crazy Steve nods approvingly in the background)
I agree, give Idris more comedic roles, he was brilliant in this!!