SECRET Good News For Harley - Davidson In 2024...
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Harley - Davidson dropped their model year announcement last week and showed off some new models, including the CVO Road Glide ST and CVO Pan America, but they forgot to include some of the best secret news of the year.
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00:00 - Intro
00:28 - The Meh Stuff
02:38 - The Cool Stuff
05:38 - The Rough Stuff...
06:55 - Secret Good News!
07:50 - The Future? - Авто та транспорт
Are you more interested in the Nightster now that it is cheaper, or do you think $12K is still too expensive?
Not for me, but IMO that's a great price point. One thing buyers should be aware of is the H-D build and finish quality. Far superior to most brands.
Way too expensive for what you get, in my opinion. 😅 but I've got dollar store dreams lol
I think $12k is right where it belongs. Harley is never going to price match with their European or Japanese competition, but comparing it to Honda's rebel at $10k, the Nightster now makes a bit more sense.
Any price is too high for a bike that ugly
@Alex_mkII idk man, people buy KTMs 🤷♂️
Seeing the prices of harley's makes me realize why they thought $30k was a good price for the livewire
Sad part is 30k was about right for a electric bike of those specs at that time.
Unfortunately shit moves fast.
I was looking at 36 used motorcycles.
Price range from €1,000-€8,000.
Brands ranged from Honda to MV Agusta.
When you got to HD €15,000 to start...
If I had $42k to spend on a bike, I'd buy an M1K. I just bought a brand new S1K last week and that's half the price of the Harleys. I realize that's comparing apples to oranges, but still. Harleys are so overpriced its ridiculous.
Harley is the iPhone of the motorcycle world... no normal person is taking a 43k bike to the track where insurance isn't a thing.... nobody is using an 800lb bike as their track bike....
@adamritchey4209 if I had 42k for a motorcycle I'd buy 2 bikes gear and mods
Harley is a shining example of what a lot of companies are doing these days. They're just focusing on premium, high profit margin products. They don't really care about the affordable products anymore. Entry level products aren't profitable enough for them. New Harleys have always cost a little more than the competition, but the current Harley lineup is just completely out of reach for most people. But they'll sell enough to stay afloat for a while. I still think turning their backs on the affordable bike market will bite Harley in the ass some day.
It will, not bringing anyone to the brand and thus not building any loyalty with newer riders while their current base ages/dies out of riding. They’re also making a mistake not bringing the Indian made small displacement bikes to the US to attract those newer riders. They phoned in the street series bikes and are now too scared to go after the beginner market because those bikes failed (due to being aweful bikes).
it's biting Ford in the butt as they have lots full of 6 figure pickups nobody is buying.
as the middle class dries up, they're all trying to chase the Boomer money into the sunset. Even the CEO of Mazda said they're trying to turn into more of a luxury brand.
A few thoughts to consider:
1) Harley sells 62% of the motorcycles it makes in the US market
2) In the US, motorcycles are more likely to be leasure vehicles and therefore not likely to be purchased on merits of commuter economy or utility.
3) leisure items are generally purchased with surplus income
4) Some people have more surplus income than others, in the US especially.
5) Harley is well equipped and versed on how to drain a very specific customer base of their surplus income.
6) Manufacturing a premium brand in the US is particularly expensive, more now than ever.
7) What makes a brand premium and high value is almost entirely on the part of the buyer
8) There are no universal standards for why a person will or will not burn their disposable income on such a thing as a 40k Harley
9) Inflation sucks
10) Spite needs a Harley
On point number ten, I was parting out a road glide with 17s... it's way too pricy...
There are 50 thousand million used H-D's for sale LoL, lots to pick from. Great drop, thanks for the vid.@@spitescorner
@@dcxplant True, but that was a used one for 10K. To get it to do what I want we're looking at at least $20K in parts
Or.... buy a Challenger, which Harley is trying (not so subtly anymore) to match in looks and performance. I put EVERYTHING shy of going stage 2 and cams into my build and it was under 37k total. It runs like a scalded cat, handles like a bike half it's weight, and is super comfortable with heated grips and seat (cooling too, which works and is insane in a bike) and an adjustable wind screen. My 108 crushes 131s all day long at near stock for performance parts when guys are dumping all kinds of dough into their HD without equitable return on that dollar. But.. it's their dollar I guess. To me, Harley is just an expensive shampoo: wash, rinse, repeat. I honestly wonder how long they continue to ride the legacy (which is obviously valid worldwide) without adding something of consequence.
If they want younger riders, they have to produce something that is a good value for money...
Like a Buell xb
@@ElGuapoDeSantoPoco they have to actually have the bikes they're selling actually be produced...
You are not going to find better cruiser bikes than Harley
@@k9m42 younger riders arent wanting top of the line. they want something affordable and good quality. It doesn't matter if it's the best quality of nobody can afford to buy it or if it's not so much better quality that it's worth the massive price gap.
@@SummitCoyote i am not referring to the current Buell brand, Harley missed the opportunity to get younger clients when they decided to end Buell production. And now they are missing it again with the Bronx bike....which if they ever put in production will probably be way too overpriced for a younger market.
You touched on some things ive been thinking about harley for a while, namely attainability. My big problem is that everything Harley does, someone else does cheaper with more power and less weight. I keep hearing its supposed to be an aspirational brand. I dont see what im supposed to aspire to when it gets out punched in every area it tries to compete in. A lower priced entry bike is critical, because when im shopping in the $20k range there are SO many options that hit SO much harder
The 975 is actually just an underbored 1250.
Was super disappointed to find this out talking to someone that works in Harley. I was saying they could totally make a KTM 890adv/Ducati Desert X competitor and they were like "yeah no the engine is just as heavy as the 1250 so that wouldn't make any sense.
That's what I was afraid of. When I heard the 975 pan am got pruned I had a feeling it was a weight problem
If HD is listening, they’ll put the 1250 in the 2025 Bronx, then use that as a base for adventure, cafe’…
@@freebehindbars8654 Are you in your 50s? Are you a white guy who calls other white guys "brotherrrr"? No? Then HD isn't listening
@@freebehindbars8654it’s boring looking. It looks like a Honda CB1000 but not even as aggressive. Basic.
@@MrMann-gt1ehSay you know nothing about motorcycles without saying… if Honda is one thing, it’s boring. That 1250 HD motor is something else. Might try experiencing something before judging it.
Harley needs to do what Ducati did with the OG Monster & make a parts bin special. Specifically an XR975. And do it properly, not like the old XR1200.
It wouldn't be hard either. The Pan America frame & geometry is right there. Strip it back to the bare essentials & throw the 975 engine in there. Throw on the tank from the Sportster S, rework the Sportster S seat section to be longer & finish in a duck tail and make a new sub frame to fit & you're basically done. And Voilà! You have a Srambler/Flat Tracker with real off road ability that cost bugger all to develop.
All Harleys are already parts bin specials.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 ha nice! Anyway, a Harley will never be a Monster. MAYBE something like a Bulldog or a MT01. The long stroke enige is just to tall (and heavy) to make a sports bike out of.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Yes, but I'm suggesting that they make something decent for a change.
@@michielotsen6317 I see you're not familiar with the motorcycle history I was referencing.
The original Ducati Monster was developed on the cheap mainly from existing components at a time when Ducati was in financial trouble. The release & sales success basically saved Ducati.
The Harley-Davidson XR750 is an iconic motorcycle from Harley's back catalogue. It was both an extremely successful race bike & was used by Evel Knievel during the height of his career.
@@michielotsen6317 Tell that to Eric Buell XD
My harley friends are considering the 42k bike and it blows my mind. I'm upper 30s (all sport bikes) and they joke about me having 3 but i joke back my 3 bikes are less than their one.
If you want to talk about money ; Harley are expensive but they depriciate slower then any other brand. In other words, you lose less money per year on the value of your bike. If you have three 15k bikes for example or one 45k Harley. The 3 bikes will be worth 30k in a few years and the Harley 36k. Just an example, not real numbers.
@einherjar2545 I have a moto 2 triumph, a trident and a zero. I'm not too concerned about the depreciation. I ventured into bikes as a car guy. I got hooked due to sporty bikes with mods costing way less than modifying cars. Buying 40k Harleys doesn't really appeal
@@biggums3368 I understand! Im just talking :P
@@einherjar2545that may be so but I don’t believe Moto riders are as concerned with depreciation as much as car guys are, generally.
The Pan Am CVO should've had a larger tank, 21" front wheel, blind spot notification and adaptive cruise, like the BMW and Triumph
underdelivering is the modern motto of HD sadly.
@@thierryfaquet7405 not sure I agree with that. I love mine, 37,000 miles on my 2022. A few issues, but never left me on tbe side of the road. Just wish they would’ve created something that competes with the long distance stuff from BMW and Triumph.
@@chrisknox5946 It's not 100% true obviously. I really love the PanAm for exemple. But on their "legacy" stuff it's damn underwhelming
Blind spot notification on motorcycles? How lazy are you people getting 😂 turn your head!
@@francesco1998 You still turn your head... its just extra warning. What they need is a warning when a car comes across the lane into your lane with a giant speaker aimed at the car to blare at them automatically loud enough to make their ears bleed.
I dream of an HD scrambler line using a stripped down Pan America chassis. model as well. You could do a track bike, a standard scrambler, and a full-on desert sled.
I think I just have to accept how out of touch I am with reality or the rest of the market, because I couldn’t even begin to imagine buying any HD offered. With the number is engine issues in the M8 and the way high costs to buy something largely, unreliable. They’re beautifully made, they’re nice to ride. To each their own. HD is important to the industry but the costs of them is incredible.
And they have legit competition in Indian, which I would argue are cooler, less dated bikes.
@@ninji5226 I like that Indian hasnt allowed its heritage and its customer base to hold it hostage on the innovation front and they developed a modern twin thats watercooled for their big touring line. They have both air and water which gives a broader appeal. I stand by HD being important to the industry as a whole and its good that people buy them. Just not my bag. Ride safe, friend.
Sellin' to the sort of dentist that buys $15,000 bicycles with $400 carbon fiber bottle holders. They'll never actually need any of that stuff, they're just buying a status symbol.
What if they like that stuff and don't care what anyone else thinks.
@@marathonrefrigeration9593obviously they like it or they wouldn't of brought it. If I had the money, I would buy an old Schumacher F1 car. Doesn't mean I'd ever get the full potential out of the car, and I'd probably be just as quick on track in a much cheaper car.
Oh the irony behind that comment@@marathonrefrigeration9593
I'm 22 years old so id consider myself a "younger rider". All I want from Harley is for them to add the technology they have from sportster s (infotainment, ride modes, etc) to their existing bikes like the softtail standard. I want the classic look of a Harley with all the new technology. Hell even throw in the 1250 rev max into that. I have a 22 sportster s and I love how it rides but the styling is nowhere even close to the other "classic" looking Harleys
YOU DONT NEED THE INFOTAINMENT SYSTEM DUDE ITS JUST A MARKETING GIMIC LIKE IPHON O BUY THIS IT WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER JUST RIDE AND ENJOY NOTHING LIKE SHUTTING YOUR PHONE OFF AND RIDING THROUGH THE DESERT WITH ANALOG GAUGES
I saw the new CVO st. It's very nice looking, but it's 49,000 up in my area.
We should be talking about the 1250 super hooligan that they've been racing. Essentially, the naked pan am. I have a feeling we are more likely to see a street version of that.
I bought a 24 CVO Road Glide ST. raven metallic. I am just a cable guy nothing fancy. But I know how to make good financial decisions. I owed 3k on my 2020 street glide special, I owned a 09 dyna street bob. So I had a ton of equity and if they hadn’t given me what I wanted I would have walked. My payment isn’t awful at all and it’s from my 401k loan so I get the interest and I’m paying me back.
Orbit Culture is such an awesome band!
I didn’t realize spite was a real metalhead. They are amazing! Now I like him even more.
@@ozzie4306 If I wasn't worried about driving some folks away, I'd have WAAAAAAAY heavier intro riffs lol
@spitescorner I would have people listening to deathcore and some wild Japanese metal lol.
Your Harley Davidson criticism is pretty good content. You only point out where they could do better because you feel some type of way about the Motor Company.
Wow! Quite the nostalgic collection. Fying v, Explorer, Thunderbird bass. When are we gonna hear musical intros created by you?
Millennial Harley owner here. I actually enjoyed the presentation. The CVO pan am is something I'm thinking about because price wise, if I were to buy a Pan Am special and include all the stuff on the CVO, it comes out more than the CVO.
part of me wants to make the move to a touring bike, but they haven't yet made the one I want (a road king st or updated RK with the VVT). But I can "tour" with the Pan Am, and I love the bags, the crash guards, extra lights, heated grips, and the automatic ride height.
I'm just glad i have people like you to slog through the manufacturer promo vids and give us the breakdown. As far as new models, i think you're still in wishful thinking mode. But as long as we're wishful thinking, how about an XR975? Use the Nightster frame and engine, give it a set of 17s, more rear ride height, and a set of upside down forks. Honestly..... I'd sell a couple bikes and choke down a bike payment for that.
I hear you man, but Harley is not interested in anything but selling high priced bikes. Used market is the new entry level Harley. That's why they keep adding tech and increasing prices so that you will aspire to that more sophisticated model after riding a used HD. We know that Harley knows, Harley knows that we know, Harley knows that we know that Harley knows, yet they still do it as if no one noticed 😂
Fun fact: IIRC the exterior dimensions of the 975 and 1250 Revmax engines are identical. You could literally take a PanAm engine and bolt it into a Nightster S (plus transferring the electronics).
People are hating on Harley but the Panam is a great example of Harley as a company. Nobody expected them to succeed in a already very competitive segment of the market . All japanese manufacturer have MULTIPLE models already established in the adventure bike segment and look what happened? The panam as been a great success. As for Harley, I personally think their marketing team is amazing!.
Did they ever work out the electrical/software issues on the Pan Am’s? Came very close multiple times to getting one and the issues at those times were not resolved. I gave up hoping and after six HD’s got a Suzuki and saved myself a lot of money. Miss being a Harley owner but don’t miss the cost of procurement and maintenance.
Which Suzuki? I'd love to know if you got a v-strom and which one!
@@JelloThatsMellow I got a GSX-S1000Gt+. So far easiest ownership experience I’ve had on a new bike purchase and ownership. Really only negative has been having to do chain maintenance again after so long of forgetting all about that. It’s been a long time since I had a in-line four and I forgot how much I really enjoy that layout and power curve.
@@markm148 nice! Glad Suzuki Suzuki doesn't disappoint
Im 30 years old. I just bought a 2019 indian chieftain a week b4 Christmas. I wish i would have waited. The new street glides look awesome. This is my 1st bagger.
I have a feeling we may see a new Fat Bob later this year.
$42000 for their CVO ST, I don't care how many racing pig logos are on it, the fact that it does not come with but the fact that they don't come with the SE Ohlins as standard is outrageous.
Do you really think they would build a Sporty 1250, or would they consider that hurting Sportster S?
I hope so. I'm a fat Bob fan. Own a 2014 and love it
Harley has made a lot of improvements over the last four years - revmax engine, pan America, updated 121 engine, updated everything on CVOs, sportster S, Nightster. People who say they haven’t been changing are clueless.
I think they're just looking for bigger changes and not just more baggers. I tend to agree that they're making some big improvements, but I see where someone is coming from when they say it's not enough
I agree with the sportster platform if they're trying to get new people in the door. I'm a noob to HD and that's one of the bike that's always looked 🤤 to me as a person coming from a sportbike mindset
I bought my first Harley a couple of years ago. Bought it used from a dude in Dallas, flew up from Houston, purchased and rode it home. It is a 2018 Heritage Classic, only had 1498 miles on the odometer. Of course I bought it used and that give all the HD shops a case of the ass. One of the local shops called the bike “entry level” and a “starter Harley” eluding to its “affordability”. Dealer MSRP is almost $23k for this bike, I wouldn’t call that starter. Buying used I paid $16k. In my book, still not a starter bike. I agree with comments, if HD want to attract new riders, the need to make something in the $10k or under category and it needs the same level of tech as any bike in that range. If they can’t do that, I feel like their days are numbered.
As a non-cruiser rider I am struggling to make sense of a 700 lbs behemoth as a sporting motorcycle. Does not compute. 🤔
I'm struggling to make sense of 700 lbs as just a motorcycle, not even a sport one
@@maximborodyuk3773 It sounds like about the right weight for a Dodge Ram…or the Bismarck. 🙂
@@radianman fr
lightweight open sportcars starts at 1100 lbs or so
A motorcycle being 63% of that weight is insane
That's even besides the price that is bigger than boutique italian sport's/naked's most special versions.
Which would be 40% lighter, 80% more powerful and have an actual high-end electronic suspension and state of the art chassis and brakes.
Even more, you could buy boutique american naked/sportbike for half the price
185 hp for 415 lbs
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HD would be the king of bikes for literally everyone if the would just take the CVO top of the top bike and set it at $30k fully optioned out. That's about the value of the bike not $48k. THEN set pricing for everything else below it. What do you get? Bikes that match their value, a nightster at 10.5 - 11k where it should be, baggers around $20k where they should be. We've all seen the leaked cost sheets of what it is to manufacture a RG ST CVO for '24 and when you're talking 50% margin that's the main issue.
I still stand with HD on their bikes being good, however the pricing doesn't line up with any of the models actual value. Am I still going to ride my RG of course, will I ride other brand bikes of course.
Yea it’s actually sickening to see the markup on these things. $40k for a 2 wheeled machine? Come on. You could buy a nice car for that.
I don't know where you're getting 50% margin, dealers buy these for roughly 36k and as long as they are priced at MSRP only make 7K. If you're like my dealer we start discussion at MSRP and depending on how easily we can sell it to someone else we will take more off. We still have a 2023 CVO on the floor and offered to someone at 40K out the door just to try to get rid of it.... that was 6K+ off MSRP and we were throwing in accessories on top of it. He still ended up buying our only 24 CVO ST over the heavily discounted 23.
And I don't want to pay taxes too
So for 42k you too can have a Harley Challeng... Road Glide ST.
I agree with you on the fat bob. That was going to be my second cruiser in case the Buell Super Cruiser never sees the light of day. If not, it’s s1k single r.
Good bit of info
If Harley put the Pan America platform on a diet and made it a sports naked I would legit be interested in one.
They need to bring an FTR competitor to market, like you are saying with the scrambler being built on the sportster. $42k for that cvo is hilarious 😂
Yup give it time the new faring will grow on everyone. they will fall in love with it
Here's my thing: 150 horsepower in the Pan-Am, all it needs is a different windscreen and its a sportbike.
Look up your favorite bolt-on custom Evo Sporty of any style, Cafe Flat Track or whatever else, and understand that a LOT of those parts fit on the Nightster 975 the same way they fit on the Evo Sportster. I'm pretty sure you could just swap them directly... Hey, That would be a neat video, HINT HINT HINT
The fairings are a shock at first because they are such a change and I too think that they will grow on me. However, the one thing that I don't understand and don't think I I can get past is the windshield or lack there of on the Street Glide. It is basically nonexistent.
I think I’ve said it in the comments before but I was considering a 975 Nightster about this time last year. 14k msrp, dealer wanted 18k out the door. If it was 12-13 out the door, I would have bought it then. What I would love to see is basically a revmax Softail with mids which might lead to a revmax low rider s and that couldn’t be a bad thing, right?
I want a new softail but I don't think I can justify it at the current prices.
I might have to look for an older one??
This year, Harley has played their hand. I do think the Fat Bob is going to come back. My thinking is it will be the first softail bike that gets the liquid cooled heads and they’ll do an ST version with another fairing. The low rider st has been so popular, I feel like it makes sense to do a second bike.
Maybe I'm wrong, but the CVO ST seems like the FTR1200. It's vaguely styled like the race bike, but share almost nothing with the race bike.
I need to try a Solar. I finally got to check one out locally and was pretty impressed with the build quality. I want the 29” baritone pretty bad.
$42,000 is nuts. Definitely a sick bike but not worth it at all. I’d rather buy 3-4 bikes and mod them for that price or 2 really nice ones.
Harley Davidson: creator of bikes at status symbol prices without the status symbol looks.
Ducati, MV Agusta, and Moto Guzzi: actually makes status symbol bikes.
What the fuck does this even mean? If you're buying a bike as a "status symbol" you're a tool.
I love the new Road Glide fairing. It has me almost wanting to upgrade my 2022.
As a first gen Pan America owner, I can’t understand the CVO Pan America. Sure some new paint but you are going to scratch it.
In regards to the pan am the CVO has the spoked wheels
Revolution Max motor is only in two motorcycles. Didn't Harley say that it was going into many models .What happened?
Well, technically, it's in 3. The PanAm, Sporster 1250, and the Nightster. I'm patiently waiting till they (or someone else) put the 1250 into a Softail frame.
@@csolivais1979 Forget the Softail, I'm waiting for them to make good on the Bronx streetfighter they showed alongside the Pan Am and Sporty S
@@Vee_231 I'm afraid that you might be waiting a long, long time. Like, until they get a CEO who wouldn't be afraid to sell it at cost, or at a slight loss. Because I can't see regular Harley buyers going after them, and I don't think spec wise it will be that much better than anything on the market now. So that rules out other buyers. I think the killed it because either 1) the specs were way worse than others or 2) the price was considered not to be competitive or 3) a combination of the two.
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Didn't realize the Fat Bob was miss till your video, the target market for the hot rod Road Glide ST is me, but I'm not interested in a 800 pound race bike
They'll launch a 975 Pan Am at the same time they launch the 1250 nightster. This will most assuredly 'upend' the motorcycling community with their novel idea of releasing two models.
I used to own a Livewire when they first came out. Fantastic bike for riding around town and trips where charging was available. I sold it when Harley was wishy washy on its future (by removing the Harley brand from the bike). What are the odds that the Livewire comes back under Harley Davidson?
Unlikely. The LiveWire guys are doing great as a separate entity (kinda). They're getting to do stuff H-D wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole
I thought when they did the Livewire, we would get Revmax models that shared many parts with the Electric models, but that hasnt happened.
Lots of change in leadership as well. Things are changing
I honestly think it was the color of the CVS that really killed the fairings for everyone
The new fairings on the Street Glide are cool, but just look like those off a 2013 Victory Magnum. Victory was making "performance cruisers" before Harley even thought about it, and for that matter, the Japanese were doing it before them. Polaris definitely made a mistake in dropping Victory in favor of Indian, they were ahead of their time, and would probably own this market now. Instead we got more slow heavy nostalgic baggers from Indian that looked like rolling birthday cakes with all those tassels, flared fenders, pastel colors and chrome curb feelers - *sigh*.
that new bike in thumb nail looks like it should be the star in a motorcycle movie thats kinda like the movie cars.
*loving the back door Bronx strategies Spite 😂😂😂. I’d buy the Bronx tomorrow but agree it should have the 1250 mill. 👋 🏴 rode the SportsterS a while back, really nice engine in a limited cramped chassis package. Always liked the FatBob, Nightser a tough sell, I think HD has shot its load on Revolution and M8 R&D tbh 🤷♂️
I own a 21k Harley, I’m about to put another 8 into it and I BADLY want one of the new Street Glides or Road Glides. I’m 33 and I have no use for a sport bike. I don’t do felonious speeds and wreckless driving so therefore I want something comfortable with look, sound and feel. I LOVE my Harley-Davidsons. I may make a career change to afford another one, honestly.
I have said this for two years now since I got my Sportster S. I would trade it in within a second for a SportGlide with the Rev Max 1250. It is a bike out of the gate capable of light touring and still light enough to commute. It is a great introductory platform to the RoadGlide and StreetGlide but still stripped back enough to be fun in a city. For most it would be their first "foot-forward" bike which makes people feel less planted but with the high seat back and comfort when used to it, beats the hell out of mids and rears. The Rev-Max 1250T is just tailor made for that bike.
Knowing now that my CFMOTO CL-X 700 Heritage is equipped with a detuned KTM LC8c, I'd LOVE to see your take on the bike.
Literally every influencer who has reviewed the bike has missed where the engine's actually from.
Certain others actually made a video claiming it was a Kawasaki engine just because it looked like a Kawasaki parallel twin...
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I have one too! Boy, does she rip over 7K!
@@Dragoninja833 I'm 5,000 miles deep and that power bump at 7k is STILL a HOOT!
Love. This. Bike!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only way Harley will ever get my money is with the Bronx. Give us the Bronx damn it!
I'm surprised to see the Pan America in the lineup again for 2024. Harley has a history of cancelling anything that wasn't a cruiser, bagger, chopper or touring bike. Those didn't sell. I guess the Pan American is the first exception. Also, Harley is creeping into the Cadillac Escalade market. Some people will pay $42K for a motorcycle just because it isn't cheap.
Way too expensive for what they are
Still wish they would do something with the street 500 and 750 engine.
They need a CVO Night Train re-do
They should just steal Buell’s new super cruiser design and stick their 1250 in it, and call it the Sportster Heritage.
I thought the Low Rider S was the Softail Flagship. 🤔 Also sucks that I bought a Nightster Special last year only to see the price drop lol! Oh well. 😂
yeah I know someone who bought the Nightster Special 2023... he is mad because he ended up getting the Harley in the end because he said they keep resale value better, but now it just got a major hit to that resale value when the new ones MSRP dropped.
they should have updated the road king too. i was disappointed
I still think that if they wanted to effectively expand their lineup and still have a bike for all, they should have kept and upgraded the traditional Sportster and made the Bronx like the plan had seemed to be to begin with.
I would love to see Harley put the RevMax motor into the Fatbob.
If Harley could do a modernized XR1200 with new Revmax 1250 and updated components/electronics/suspension for sub $17k I think that would be a hot seller. Needs at least a 4.5+ gallon tank though........
I think harley will release a regular road glide st in a year with the same engine as the cvo but with less luxury/customization from the factory and sell it in the low 30s
Hmm. I still can't handle Harley prices. I could buy a new Busa and an FJ 1300, or a CRF 300, DR 650, and a GS 1250. I like having lots of bikes. I'll take a 20 year old metric cruiser with low miles over a Harley instantly.
Zx14 here and let's just say it hasn't broke down after giving it hell. 20k miles and counting. No abs nothing.
I am legitimately pissed that they won't put the USD fork and radial brakes on the base RG/SG. That stuff comes stock on the comparable Indian.
I can only wish for a electric Pan Am with a 200+ range and supports level 3 supercharging 😁
I'm still on my 2010 street glide.. it now has a 107 kit, with heads and cams, exhaust, ect.. Along with Ohlins shocks.. There is no reason for me to upgrade any time soon.. Honestly I have rode many newer m8 bikes, they are only slightly better.. I like the analog gauges and no screen much better than the 14+ bikes.. Guess at 42, I'm already old school.. lol
I have a nightster 975, love it. I'm really hoping for a bigger Revmax bike. Give us a 1250 Cruiser that revs to 9500! Sportster S is cool, but not what I'm after
You missed the boat. They stopped making the vrod in 2017. I own a 2014 muscle
Sorry
Honestly the Fat Bob needs a major change. They were cool at first and the people who wanted them bought them, but then they just sat on the dealer floors.
Harley would be smart to get more into the hooligan style bike, but I don't think anyone wants it into a sportster frame for softail prices. Stick a new bike into the softail lineup where the fat bob was and go from there
I really want a 975 PAM AM. I tried the 1250 and it’s just too big. Something in the 900cc range. Although, if BMW made a R90GS, that would be the finisher bike for me.
Yamaha should make an affordable cp2 powered cruiser that looks similar to the Buel super cruiser. Just have someone do a vid with an exhaust and it would sell.
The 2024's, particularly the street glide, look pretty good with the updated fairing. That being said, so do Indians and one could argue they just look better. The prices on all new bikes are silly to me but $30k+ out the door for an hd is just insanity. Just give us the Bronx at a competitive price and they will sell like crazy.
I have high hopes for the new H-D future offerings. I really like that new 1250 motor and the potential it has. Bronx??? Will it happen? I know I am in the minority, but if they would get the Livewire up to a solid 200 mile/range with true fast charging capability, I would really consider one for my every day commute. I'll keep my regular gas H-D, but these other two possibilities really add promise for me. H-D can, if they really plan / vision, continue to please traditionalists, while offering some additional toys for others...do both and do them well.
I've been riding them since 1991. In 2019, I also paid 42k for my 2019 CVO Limited. Insane but I retired, treated myself, put 25k down and have 2 years left at 460 a month. Yes....insane. Harley has always been a weird company. From AMF to HD. Just wierd. Paint colors that were mostly horrible. Go figure but that's my company. 100% HD.
It always bums me out how much Harleys cost. My brother always loved Harley and always wanted one, but could just never afford it. I think a lot about getting one in his memory, but they’re still so damn expensive for what you get.
Harley really need to make an equivalent bike to the Indian FTR
There's usually another model they release later in the year. Maybe it's not just a paint scheme
$42k is nuts for a "performance" bagger. Sport touring is always going to be on a sliding scale with various models falling closer to the sport or touring side depending on which. I just think this one falls too far to the "touring" side of the scale to sway folks with that kind of money away from the truly sporty options in the segment. We will see I guess.
I’d like to see them make a inline4 with the same technology they have in the sportster s or an inline 3 engine for a bit more torque but a lot more top end . The sportster s was a great bike when I had one if they could make their softails as peppy they’d do much better
The 2021 roadking was 19.5k (somewhat reasonable) 2022 was 23k
2023 msrp 23,999
2024 24,999
WHAT THE HELL nothing new AT ALL
And roadking is 24,999 put that into perspective
I'm a strong harley supporter. But I can't anymore with a bare bones touring bike has risen thousands of dollars for not a single change is absurd
Harley been selling 1960's motorcycles for a while now lol
The fact that if you want Harley with actual brakes you need to pay 7 times more than regular bike with simillar equipment is absolutely astonishing
$22,500 for a Breakout 😯😯🤣 They are out of their mind
I kinda love the price drop on the Nightster... but I agree it could lose another 1k or so.
Harley needs to lower their damn prices. No reason these things cost as much as they do.
But people will pay it. No matter how much they are. I don’t get it. It’s ridiculous
I'm convinced the only reason they cost that much is because they have a guaranteed consumer base that will never not buy Harley, so they can jack the price up. They cost that much because people will still buy them. The Pan America would've probably been 35k if not for the fact that same consumer base wouldn't buy it.
I’ve been saying it sense I first started riding a few years ago, HD doesn’t care about their customers, that’s why I sold my sportster and bought a FZ09 instead, they make the motors bigger every year and change 1-2 things about the bike and say it’s better than ever, the CVO ST does look really nice, buy you could buy a R1 and an MT09 and still have money left over, i appreciate the fact HD is trying, but they need to completely rethink things for the next generation, the years of dudes wearing leather with wolf tattoos blaring deff leppard on there 110ci screamin seagull are over, people like the boys from eastcoastin and Krusei Originals make dope dynas and road glides that shred, that’s what HD needs to start doing, we want bikes that can hold their own against the naked bikes and sport bikes in today market not an updated street glide or road glide
When is Harley going to make a bike that doesn't look like it was assembled from parts they had laying around?
When you stop breathing from your mouth.
Came for the moto video, liked for the Orbit Culture shirt.
Harley Davidson, year after year, they launch "new" stuff at price points that nobody besides a fanboy is interested in, featuring "new tech" that other companies have had for decades.
They are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Still need a smaller 300cc ish model under $6500 to get new riders into it