Here's Why The LiveWire Mulholland Is Worth Your Time
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We've got a world first! The first electric cruiser is out, and it's an absolute torque monster. Today, we're taking a first look at the LiveWire S2 Mulholland, getting the specs and some initial impressions out. We're also going to poke the anti-electric beehive and watch in horror as a bunch of people who've never tried an electric bike before repeat the same old, tired excuses for why electric bikes are bad. Say it with me: "RaNGe tO0 ShR0t!" "ChARgE To0 L0ng!" "T0o XpEnSiVE!" I'll also probably get called a shill... :|
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What do you want to see next from LiveWire? I'm rooting for a SuMo.
Next? A cruiser/bobber style on the LIVEWIRE One platform
Until there's comparable range to an ICE bike for less than $15K I don't think this is gonna be a thing for a Lot of regular, middle class people. A UA-camr, for content. Sure. But normal people, without tax incentives or any major disposable income? No, not yet.
An electric Pan America: A competitor to the very best electric street legal motorcycle, the Energica Experia and the Zero DSR/X. BTW Love your Orbit Culture T-shirt.
Less copium level positive, more honest EV reviews would be nice to see. I get it, its the future. Feelsbadman doesn't vlog... i know i know. All the EV moto reviews feel like camel toed one wheel knockoff reviews... better find a camel Spyke.
150 miles per charge min and faster charging at a more reasonable price.
Hitachi also built a nuclear reactor.
Actually?
@@bloopbloop9687 They make a lot more than the magic wand lol. Big heavy industry company they have been a player in the reactor industry since the 70s. They currently have a joint venture subsidiary with general electric produce and service reactors.
@@mgkleym I knew they made excavators, but nuclear reactors? Damn
Kinda funny that the first thing you think of with Hitachi is electric massagers while they pretty much make everything from power tools to cargo ships, but i agree you don't often see their suspension being used on motorcycles
Seems like they make everything under the sun. I thought I was barking up the wrong tree, but I seriously spent like an hour researching the company, and sure enough...
@@spitescorner Spite spends 1 hr "researching" Hitachi wands....
They make Cargo ships?
My only problem with electric is range. Otherwise i think its a cool option. People spend 40k+ on a Harley with antiquated tech. So the price isn't to ridiculous for newish tech. Im sheltered i guess i had no clue Hitachi made "massagers". I did know they made TV's though.😂
I think people would be more accepting of the range if it had DC fast charge. It would take minutes to charge then, not an hour. But then you run into the price issue.
@@spitescorner yeah that would make it so much easier to digest.
Reason they don’t use modern tech often is because they know it’s gonna be out dated in 5 years, just like all the old Hondas that have radios and cd players, nobody wants that shit.
@@spitescorneras opposed to the price now? Seriously ?
It's a cruiser that you not supposed to cruise on. 😮
Depends on what cruising you're into
@@fullmetalcorgi1350 How many kinds are there?
@@pajownik I mean... It depends on what you're into
@@fullmetalcorgi1350 Just googled. Not interested. If you are confused. This video was about a MOTORCYCLE.
@@pajownik look... The comments are either libruls or closeted Harley boomers. Either way I win
Showa is actually a brand within Hitachi so essentially it’s still using “Showa” suspension
My commute is 12 miles, so I’m good even if I take the long way home. I have electricity in my garage. This thing looks like a blast.
I want livewire to be an actual competitor to zero. I rode the OG prototype when they were going to different dealers in 2014. It was a fun bike but the range was limited to 100miles. Fast forward 10 years and the Livewire one hasnt changed since Age of Ultron, and the new S2 line has limited range for a premium price. Instead of making electric vehicles look bad in Long way up I wish Livewire would have taken some of that marketing money and put it into R&D
as livewire owner of 6 months and doing research, your are totally right. They have spent more on marketing than improving the tech. I think they know it too, which is why the S3 platform they are planning is being developed by Kymco, and not LW.
The bike looks great, but Livewire are targeting the completely wrong section of the market. While they're going for the premium end, down here in Australia Vmoto (up 27.9%) knocked Suzuki (down 18.3%) out of 5th spot last year selling just 2 motorcycles. Their lineup consists of an electric scooter & an electric motorcycle, both priced at around $8,000 dollarydoos ($5,225 USD). And that price includes all taxes & registration costs. The only brands that sold more than Vmoto last year were, in order, Honda (up 1.2%), Yamaha (down 12.9%), KTM (down 0.9%) & Kawasaki (down 31.7%).
EV motorcycles are a great commuter bike option, but that end of the market is predominantly looking for a cheap & economical platform. I, for example, commute on a KTM Duke 200 & leave the Aprilia at home for fun on the weekends, and all of my friends who have more than one bike do the same. It's nice to have a flagship model with enough torque to affect the rotation of the Earth, but the market is far more interested in entry level options. If more mainstream manufacturers enter this end of the market they can clean up.Right now though they're practically handing sales to the electric bicycle market by not even competing.
I totally agree. I think until we master long range battery technology, sticking with smaller more affordable EVs is the ticket to success.
EVs need to start being 250cc equivalents and priced accordingly
These bikes make sense with today’s technology. The livewire bikes however good they are, are a hard sell at $15500 for the range as there are so many motorcycles that offer better practicality for about half the cost. My brother in law runs an electric car which costs about the same as a car with similar performance but if he charges it at home overnight costs about $13 for 250 to 300 miles which is cheaper than me putting petrol in my 350 meteor. A $8000 scooter would I expect cost about the same to run per mile which I could justify a lot more easily even if the bike was just a town bike.
@@fullmetalcorgi1350 100%. This is what I am waiting for. EV bikes are great for commuting and I think a lot of beginner riders are chosing them. For that 84 hp is whey to much. Even half of that is more than plenty for that purpose. For my commute I am absolutely satisfied with my 125cc 10 hp aircooled honda and and the money I pay for gas is so low that it doesent justify for me to buy a more expensive EV bike. I dont need to use highways tho. If there would be a 20 - 30 hp EV bike with very good range and fast charge from a reliable manufacturer with good part supply and service I would realy consider it to have it as my only bike because I dont tour but I would like to be able to travel 100 - 150 km (60 - 90 miles) few times a year.
@@grecushungaricus1985 I rock a 4k 10hp 125cc EV conversion right now. With 1 button click I can get it up to 40 hp. 60 miles range. Goes 90 mph if you want.
The dirt is the only place where I think the motorcycle not having a big loud engine would be cool. You would be able to hear the stuff crunching.
113 mile range 78 minute recharge time to 80%
Cruisers are meant to be for comfort, aesthetic appeal and sound and the ability to crush miles. If it doesn't have atleast 3 of those it's really not a cruiser
Seat height seems too high for a cruiser. That's another issue that would be nice to have addressed for riders who are not as tall.
I own a Delmar and absolutely love it. Had I known about the Mulholland I would have waited the two months since I bought the delmar and bought this instead. I live in Katy & use mine for daily commuting around Houston and the surround and love it. Never had range anxiety and am fine with level 2. It works extremely well for what it was designed for. I can’t wait for (hoping for) a longer range cruiser. Super stoked to see what comes out next.
Good point , if you pay attention enough you’ll see that if I had waiting .. is the trend for ev bikes! This is why they are a waste of money as of now !
This bike is an amazing commuter. If the peanut gallery here was being honest with themselves, they'd see that they're not doing 300 mile daily commutes. I hAtE lEcTrIcS cAn'T cRaNk MaH hOg To ThAt.
Always figured bikes folks would be about being on 2 wheels to matter what, but here we are gatekeeping as usual.
@@nerychristian why not though? Why not charge it every night since all you need is a standard outlet. You don't need to be next to it like filling it up with gas, just plug in at night and unplug in the morning. Your way of thinking really makes me concerned for humanity
I'm in multiple groups on Facebook that have thousands of members. Maybe , maybe at best 1 in a hundred ride their bikes for commuting. They all ride to ride. many riding for a half a day easily, both sport bikes and cruisers. For this to be an "amazing commuter". the cost would have to be around $5000 or less. The Cost should equal the benefit. This bike, nor any EV does. You could make an argument that they are great to have as a back up form of transportation should there be a gas shortage like what happened on the East coast for about 2 weeks. That is the best use case. and that is good use. I've looked at them for that reason alone. 73 miles as stated in the video is HORRIBLE. Every single time I go out to ride I do that and more . After running 73 miles on the bike in the Vid, you are going to be sitting somewhere for HOURS waiting for it to charge. Where as even a Grom you just fill up and go. A Grom is a very capable commuter depending on the commute. All these EVs have a stupid cost for what you actually get.
73 miles gets me to town. I would then have to walk about 10 miles in total in town while carrying bags to run my errands while my bike charges so I can get home and charge. Oh no. I get 50 mpg on my gas bike now with a 8 gallon capacity. When I can get that kind of mileage and charge in the same time it takes to fill up, we can talk. Till then, Hard pass.
@@hardlife3844 As a commuter, I think an electric motorcycle would need to get at least 100 highway miles per charge. I think that would allow most commuters to at least go to work and back on a charge
I'm a really big fan of these bikes, pretty much all the lifewires. I just dig them. What I would really like to see is an 11kw software limited version that fits into European small license requirements. Zero does it and the 2-3k difference between getting the small and the larger license could ease the purchase cost of the bikes. I know I would seriously consider getting one, but I only have hte 700€ license and cant really bring myself to dump 3k for the license, plus 19k for the bike (here in Germany they cost 19k). 11kw are actually really fun for German roads so the need to upgrade isnt really big enough for that kind of money.
The electric motorcycle company that comes out with a way to have a second gear for freeway use is going to open up this category. It would allow for so much greater range at that top end speed.
Agree with you so much about 72V. You got Ryvid, Land, and Lyric Voodoo at the $9k range and Surron, Talaria, Onyx, and custom builds at the $5-6k range. I think LiveWire should be in both markets. It is a great way to channel customers through their product range as they grow. And for the customer, it’s awesome because a lot of the work on these bikes right now is on your own or if you’re lucky enough to find a mechanic who specializes in electric “hyper” bikes.
Especially at the lower range with Onyx going out of business and Surron and Talaria being essentially electric mini “dirt” bikes. A LiveWire version of the Onyx RCR would be sick.
Bit it wouldn't help, there's a reason why teslas only have 1 gear
@@mrspeigle1 But the Porsche Taycan and Audi e-tron GT use a two-speed transmission on the rear axle to improve both acceleration and top speed. Oh and the original 2008 Tesla roadster did too. But they changed it in later years.
You're making a mistake there. If there were any use for gearboxes on electric vehicles, they would have them (and I believe some cars do). But they offer little or no benefit for efficiency. Electric motors don't care much at which RPM they run and have pretty much linear characteristics, particularly in the usable range. You wouldn't save energy and extend the range with a gearbox, quite the contrary, you'd achieve the opposite because you'd make the vehicle heavier and increase transmission losses.
I believe extending the range would involve using dual-motor setups, with different motor types (permanent magnet vs. induction motors) - but the gain would have to be high enough to compensate for the higher weight.
The gearing isn't the issue, it's power output. Faster = more air resistance = more wattage to maintain that speed. Gear reduction wouldn't decrease power consumption at all.
I’d love to see this electric power train in a modern classic style, like any of the triumph bonnevilles, a royal enfield, or even a Harley 883. I like the idea of an electric motorcycle, but none of the styling that I have seen so far are really my cup o’ tea.
It's not a large motorcycle but check out Maeving
@@Ramonatho Huh, they finally got a model that is able to do more than 45 mph, and it costs 7500 pounds. And they still claim a range of 80 miles, if it lives up to that it could actually be a worthwhile electric motorcycle that's not impossible to afford.
I don't hate the idea of an electric motorcycle just for commuting to work.
A lot of that decision would greatly depend on how many years the battery can keep taking a charge, how much the replacement battery costs, and the out the door cost of buying one of these motorcycles.
So hilarious listening to cruiser riders bitch about range when they're just riding to the bar and back anyway.
I really dig it. I do have an issue with them calling it a cruiser when your feet aren't either on mid controls or forwards. Other than that, It's a good-looking bike and looks like a lot of fun
I think the right formula is lightweight (320pounds or less) , torque heavy electric bikes . With easy to remove batteries ( that can be bought Independently) and that are simple to work on
You get a lot of vibration through the pegs and seat with that Hitachi suspension I've read.
Cruiser or flat-tracker styled?
a cruiser that can go 70mi for $15k. What a deal.
16 lol
HD already has those...
Unless you go on the freeway. Nobody will have this as an only bike.
Hey that's not fair, it also can ride the dragon's tail almost 3 times in one day!
You get how many bikes never go more than 20 miles at a time, right?
I want them to make something sportier. They won't, Harley seems allergic, but that's what I want to see. Like something that looks like a solarpunk cafe racer.
With 194ft.lbs. of torque I am surprised Live Wire isn't fielding a full drag bike team.
Hitachi now owns Showa. Same base suspension components on Del Mar and Mulholland just tuned differently for the bikes different missions.
I wanna see you and ole papa yam give the Ryvid Anthem a go! They seem to have something going on price/platform wise and people are being pretty quiet about them since it’s slow release .
Idea for towing a trailer around town.
I think Livewire could make a longer range bike like my Zero DSR. I get about 150 miles on it and that’s kind of all I need most of the time.
"5.9 hours" Phew. At least it's less than six: that would be crazy!
Hitachi soon will build life partners.
Love the orbit culture shirt buddy that’s badass 🤘
When electric bikes are at this quality level and under 10k, people will start caring.
Evoke Motorcycles lists a cruiser called the 6061-GT but I'm not sure if it's vaporware or a real thing
In LA 80 miles would almost get you out of traffic. But your electron tank would be empty.
Want to see more about your solar thats what i want
Waiting on some parts to be delivered, I've got more coming.
When I hear Hitachi I think of nail guns... They make a lot of power tools too but they recently changed their name to metabo
gday try the zero fx dual sport? electric mc
I actually knew Hitachi for its heavy machinery. Never knew they did nsfw devices
Listing range at 55mph is a joke. You've gotta go 70+ to merge into the slow lane around here.
Um, I just need to clarify a few things that Spite may not understand correctly, I am very deep into EV's and I am located in Namibia, so, before someone wants to have a go at me as being a fan boy.....
Spite, the battery pack at 10,5kWh will never be able to do DC fast charging, this is just impossible at it's size, the reason being is the "P" rating inside the batteries, there are just to little of them to to make 50kW or even 100kW charging possible, the most you could do and even this would be a very big stretch would be 20kW. Maximum charge rates per cell is the limiting factor, doing 2C on a cell will drastically shorten the life of the battery cell, resulting in a very quick death. It just can't be done, not safely in any case. To do this, one would need a bigger battery pack with a higher "P" rating. Doing this would obviously increase range as well.
Next, Using an EV at Highway speeds even though Elon says it can be done, will just NEVER be able to compete with an ICE motor, It just can't there is no way in hell, not without a gearbox, and not an off the shelf gearbox, so, use an EV where it should be used.... In town, An ICE motor gets slaughtered every time in town because of the efficiency it has over the ICE motor, and, use an ICE motor where it shines.... The wide open road....
One thing I would like to say is, thank you for everything you put into making these video's it is much appreciated...
There is absolutely no argument for a gearbox in an EV. My Tesla does just fine on the highway.
@@482jpsquared Your tesla has no range and would do well with a transmission. It could COULD double its range. My pitiful Toyota Tacoma double cab 4x4 has about 150 miles or more range than your Tesla, so you might want to step down off of that high horse. All EVs are sht as far as range is concerned.
@@482jpsquared I am sorry, but, please do tell me why range at highway speeds drains the battery?
A hint?
It has to do with the amount of current needed to sustain higher speeds and the frequency at which this is being delivered. A second gear for high speed driving would be a benefit....
This is a flaw, I may not have a tesla but have done my fair share of EV tuning and riding... High power ebikes......
And they too suffer from the same high speed problems, bringing down the motor RPM would most certainly be of very big use thereby bringing down the amount of current needed to maintain a higher speed...
Please do understand, I am not bashing EV's I am simply stating a flaw that is yet to be addressed.
Have a good day sir.
@@GapRecordingsNamibia
Air resistance at high speeds.
I must be missing something here. You can get electric bicycles to so the same speeds but more range and that’s without pedalling. But they add all the weight to it and call it a motorcycle and the range sucks.
@@nerychristian very true, but as most of the zero bikes are for “city” riding, it mainly going to be stop start and slow most of the time.
Holy shit it looks sooo freaking sexy, why cant it be a normal fuel type ride reeeee
LiveWire gives us a 194 ft-lb of torque on a city bopper? Need to have some room to rip.
Hitachi suspension, next model is gonna have Brazzers brakes 😂
Help step brakes, I'm stuck
I am (almost) completely drawn to this bike. As a "cruiser" it should have a lower seat height. I believe it also targets the new rider partly because it's easy to ride and doesn't have a clutch or gears. That sometimes means youthful and female riders who are typically shorter riders. They should have kept the seat height below 29" IMHO.
I love your enthusiasm and energy, but Harley should go back to Heritage-Ness like rereleasing diners and sports stairs, and any old models like they have similarities with the icon releases. Just wanted to say I wouldn’t normally be commenting here, but I happen to be at the Harley dealership the other grabbing some accessories and fluids when I happened to the pass by that bike and didn’t think anything of it but until I saw your video I was like holy chet I saw that bike today, but it wasn’t until I saw your video it clicked in my head.
Does anyone make an electric bike with forward controls yet? That would be a better “Cruiser” compare for me
Electric cruiser posser. These Hitachi components will most likely be made near the canam electric bikes factory down south.
It looks like a toaster. Maybe a Hitachi toaster 😂 I have tried a few electric bikes (Zero, Livewire and KTM freeride) and for me it is just not like riding a motorcycle. I like having the sound, vibration and the feel of the engine.
I don't see the point of so much power for a bike that struggles on the open road. Out here in the sticks we've got lots of fun back roads, but you need a highway to get anywhere. That's not unusual for most parts of the US and this bike can't get me to the grocery store and back.
Your grocery store is 90 miles away?
@@cartilagehead6326 No. It's 55 miles round trip. All highway. More than this bike can't comfortably guarantee when new and therefore outside it's abilities once the battery starts to age.
I live remote and travel long distances to do anything. It's why I love the affordability and fuel mileage of motorcycling. Ebikes can't hang yet.
Calling this a cruiser is like calling a Dacia Sandero a hypercar.
A Dacia Sandero has a fraction of this bikes torque and slightly less horsepower... so perhaps you've chosen a bad example... Also a modern 107ci Harey engine has only 6 more houmrsepower and much less torque...
Hopefully I am dead before this becomes the normal.
EV? ✅
Foreign sounding name? ✅
Got my popcorn? ✅
Ok, I'm now ready for the comments section
Mulholland! I ain't no tulip-growin', clog-dancin', European! Oh wait, it's a street in California. Come to think of it, that might be worse...
@@spitescorner at one point 50% of people surveyed said we shouldn't teach Arabic numerals to children. I have lost all faith.
Range - what range?
Have you seen any figures about people being incinerated in their homes by electric bikes with faulty batteries?
The whole point of riding is to ride. I wouldn't even consider an electric bike that didn't do 300 miles at highway speed.
@@nerychristian fill up takes 3 minutes though
No matter how much money i make im never going to spend 15k on a bike. I want them to invest in cheaper bikes. Zippy, reliable, and worry free range is what i want
Commuting? Where is the storage? At least my old zero s had a small bag. Point is same all electric motorcycles...something to have fun on for hour. Infrastructure not there yet where whole industry is having problem. Need infrastructure to sell but need to sell to build infrastructure.
Or DC charging. Once electric motorcycles can get 150 miles of real world range combined with fast charging frankly I think that's when the tipping point will begin. Until then you're right: cities, commuting, or little spurts of fun under an hour.
@@AFJDM you can get 150 Mi range out of some of them. Just depending upon where you live there isn't Chargers everywhere. Apparently where I am they're even are a bunch somewhere I haven't seen them but they're around. You probably could get a 150 out of the other Live Wire One, a couple of the Zeros. But yeah that would be using all 100% of the battery mixed riding not flat out whole time.
Hear me out......... S2 Bronx.
With that sport bike knee bend it’s not a cruiser to me.
That is more of a roadster/commuter style bike, cant justifiably compare that to a cruiser.
Any Livewire follower knew this was coming out - and dang, this seems like a huge swing and a miss. They seem intent on getting influencers and Hollywood celebrities to buy rather than actually moving the EV bike platform ahead for those wanting to commute in silence. I'm going to use their marketing campaign as an example of a total failure. Sucks, because I wanted them to succeed.
God speed riders!
I don't know why that would be called a cruiser... naked bike at best
This is really stupid, it can do 70 miles if you're going 25 miles an hour slower than traffic normally goes and 50mph slower than you'll want to go on a bike with that much torque. Tired of the short range apologetics, buying a 16k motorcycle just to be able to go maybe 50 miles at highway speed is ridiculous any way you look at it.
I'm a proponent of EVs, for use cases where they make sense, but just can't get on board with electric motorcycles. Especially not with such limited range and slow charging.
👍👍
Couldn't agree more on what a forward thinking move entering the 72 volt market. For all the boomers and whiners on here complaining the market has spoken. Young people don't want big heavy motorcycles they want a surron. And if livewire could design a good looking competitor it'd be a major cash cow for the brand imo
It makes no sense for this thing to be used in the city. In a proper city you have bike lanes and infrastructure for bicycles. With that said, any normal bike or e-bike is going to be 200x better. You don't have to worry about where to park it, you don't need to own a garage with charging etc. You won't even have to worry about getting a license and insurance in most cases. Even a tiny scooter makes more sense in a proper city than an 85 hp 500 lb motorcycle.
IMO it makes more sense for, I live in a suburb and I drive to mc donalds and my office every day and can charge it in the garage.
The most boomer sounding comment section on youtube right here 😂😂😂
EV BAD!!!!!!🥴🥴🥴 the literal downsides is range and charging infrastructure but people seem to forget it was like that when ICE vehicles first started
No: the literal downside is usability and practicality. 15k for less than a hundred miles of range (a *lot less if you get on the throttle) makes it *useless for weekends or anything other than, er, bar hopping? (And before you say 'commuter', the number of commuters willing to use a bike with this range is about as small as you'll feel when you have to say no to anything other than riding straight home after work). High dollar with built in fun limiter? That's a hard pass.
@@I-Libertine here in the actual free world commuter bikes are more common and a big market so yeah the market is bigger than you think. Also you literally just re worded my comments to justify your words. e bikes are new and takes time to evolve like *drumroll* ICE technology
It's still bad for EV vehicles. And it will get worse if everyone is forced to buy them. Not enough chargers to charge all those cars
@@h3llb3nt uh huh. 🤣 'Here in the actual free world the marketplace will go nuts for this bike! 🤣 Thing is, we both know it won't. You blame the buyers. The rest of us conclude it's the *bike. Yeah: I just used the same words. Fixed it for ya!
Big electric motorcycles just aren't practical yet with their high cost and low range. Even after the many years we've been promised that better battery tech is just around the corner they still aren't there yet. So, since they aren't practical and aren't likely to become practical in the next decade, the manufacturers so lean into the impracticality: Give us a low slung hard tail bobber/chopper with a basic bikini fairing or low wind screen. Don't give us any body panels but either hide the components/wiring or make them pretty enough that they're proud to show them off. No one will care about the range because no one would ever consider taking it long distances anyway. No rear suspension means less parts and lower cost. The tiny fairing and low slung stance would backdoor into better aerodynamics and lest drag area, thus more range on a smaller battery which results in reduced cost. If electric motos are going to be impractical let them be fun and affordable impractical.
I'm no Harley guy but I feel your characterization of them is a bit unfair. Harley tries new stuff, their customers don't.
Livewire being 70% Harley makes sense, it allows Harley to make new stuff without it being directly associated with their brand due to their fan-base's deeply rigid approach to adoption of change.
A lot of Harley guys are super elitist about their bikes.
He’s a Harley hater. He got it from Yammie unfortunately.
This clown bashes Harley every chance he gets.
He simply can't afford one, or even the insurance.
Wait until he finds his girlfriend in bed with a guy who owns one. Again.
As a super moto rider with a 5 minute commute I am excited about to future of electric bikes
Its V-Twin or gtfo for me. This looks cool though.
I think this is one of the coolest looking new electric bikes out there. A nice blend of classic lines and future styling.
@@spitescornerwhat about an EV cafe racer?
Livewire is gonna get Buelled.
You can’t lane filter/split in the US. So what’s the point of a “city cruiser” motorcycle when you’ll be stuck in traffic with everyone else while an electric bicycle can zoom by. Not having a sufficient range for twisty road riding means this thing is now useless both practically and emotionally for my motorcycle purposes.
Some states allow it, plus you use no energy while not moving so you aren't wasting gas being stuck in traffic for an hour. Hopefully more states start to allow lane filtering.
Dumb... nobody needs even half that much torque, cut the torque and extend the range.
No one needs that kinda torque, but it sure is fun. I'd actually be curious to see what detuning the motor does for range
@@itzeberg Producing more torque needs more power. If they reduce the power output of the motor, it could improve range. The question is, by how much.
It's a "No" for me Dawg...
/me squints
Not sure how they can call this a "Cruiser" Still looks like a naked to me.
Hard pass. Price, range and charge time to start with. Add in the charger search and I'm done. Battery life and cost of replacement.... Not enough positives to overcome the negatives for me. Do you, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money.
It will never outperform any cruiser in the looks category, that’s for sure. 🤮
It’s good to have options though.
Screw those junks ! And the rest of those garbage Harley's as well . Our electrical grid is at risk but yet you want these things ? Lol 😂😂😂 . They are even saying this eclipse is gonna take out the power lol lol . I can't breath .....
So maybe we update the grid? Not using EVs is a bad excuse for letting the nation's power grid continue to age out.
This has officially piqued my interest 🤔
Piqued, right?
@@482jpsquared lol yeah
The point of EVs is NOT sustainability. it's just better tech in many ways. High performance, easier to ride, low maintenance. That's what sells EVs.
Tbh i appreciate you covering electric bikes pretty open minded. Anti EV comments just get old. We get it, you don’t like EVs.
And for my opinion, i think it’s mostly on par with current competitors but overall they need to be maybe 25% cheaper with about 25% more range/faster charging.
It's ugly AF, and goes less miles than 3 gallons of gas, no thanks. Lego block for an engine.
Spite wake up!!! Don’t fall for it brotherrrr!!
Aright i wanna say this
Emissions etc, cut the crap. These companies arent saving the environment, its just a political agenda at its finest.
If you wanna make a motorcycle because you want to make a motorcycle, i can respect that. Like how it seems to be the case with some companies such as lucid, porsche, livewire included.
If your sole purpose is "reducing emissions", your product is gonna feel as soulless as your purpose.
That's extremely narrow-minded. It's not a political thing. It's a global thing. Everyone matters when the climate and the planet is at stake. Global warming doesn't take sides.
@@482jpsquared how is it not political?
All it has done is to promote greenwashing an industry which has never been green to begin with.
Its just the bold agenda of powerful people to impose their views on the world because they can. ESG reporting is another such example, amongst net zero programmes, yatta yatta.
If you want to buy an electric vehicle, do so because you want to, not because you believe in some global efforts to solve climate change bullshit.
All it has been doing is pricing people out from mobility. So, if you want an ev, do it at your money, your convenience, but that part govts want to enforce.
Also stop telling me everyone matters. The gist is, noone matters because when we get to the root of it, nobody really cares, even when people tell they do.
The renewables narrative is all political buddy, you may choose to not want to believe or care, in that case, more power to you.
@@darktitan8085lol this is the indoor smoking ban “debate” all over again. Sometimes the point of government is to force some people to do things that they don’t want to do.
@@cartilagehead6326 you're right. But all I'm saying is that its very much an agenda over realistically solving problems.
LiveWire, isn't this the HD bike, that Harley sold and was a flop? Over priced. In the end they couldn't give them away. This model new from LiveWire, starts at $29,900. Are you frigging nuts!
How about the BEACHMAN Electric Motorcycle, recycled on a Gas Power Motorbike frame. It's only $12,000
You aren't paying attention. The price of this bike is just under $16K.
It looks AWWWWFUL. It looks like the bastard love child of a Pontiac Aztec and a power transformer.
15k for less range than a moped is a joke😂
16k+ for an ugly bike with no range. No thanks...
Dont care not interested
Another short Range , Anxiety inducing Turd....I'm so sick of these EV Shitboxes...WASTE of $$$$$$$
Blahh.....will never care for electric...
I'll stay with combustion engines and you couldn't even give me a piece of junk electric motorcycle
Super lame