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The amount of shear blasphemy in the video is horrific ur videos are terrible and I hate how ur always ruining a good thing for the chiefs im sorry ur on the wrong team but mahomes is him if ur so upset u should have drafted him lmao
Bruh manning really ur kidding right I really like manning but damn he had such a good defense in Denver and oh he couldn’t get past Brady in Indy makes sense
Oh we hate the Broncos too, there our division rival. All those years with Elway and then Peyton being there and dominating us sucked, now the tables have turned with us having Mahomes.
It's definitely more accurate. Considering how much the rules have changed, football today is an entirely different game than it was thirty or fifty years ago. Even early 2000's football, when Brady started, was less pass friendly than today.
I mean, Chiefs have had a top 10 defense in points allowed every year of his career except 2018 and 2022. This year just happened to be the very best defense he’s had. He’s great, but his defense has been good for a while too
@johnny__topside uh half and half. Chiefs have had a decent defense untill McDuffie and Williams the cb were very weak. Just Sneed. That results in the team being burnt by long plays. We will see how the Sneed contract works out.
@@flamingfish6850 The Chargers contributed to this Super Bowl the way they've contributed to every Super Bowl - by not being there when the game is over.
this man's content is lightyears beyond anything on cable sports. maybe it's the platform and the independence but we all remember when ESPN used to be fun like this, before it became who's arguing with SAS now.
Crazy stat: When Marino threw 48 tds to break the td pass record he doubled the amount of tds thrown by the second place QB. That made Marino literally 100% more valuable than the competition. When Brady threw 50 TDS he only threw 28% more than second place.
As a native Kansan and living in KC, and a fan of the Chiefs, my wife and I watch all of your videos. Not only do you make great points pretty often while also throwing in some hilarity, but you know how to actually give props to people who deserve it even if it hurts all the way to your soul to say it haha. Thank you and keep doing what you do, we love it!
This is the argument I've been making for years. You made the argument better and funnier with greater examples. Love the jokes! I'll be sending folks this video when they balk at me for not believing in the GOAT argument when it comes to football in particular.
Been following you for a couple years and this is my all time favourite vid u have done! The funny thing is, when I saw the title I was confident this would be a great vid!
The Goat Skit from Adam Sandler is legendary 😂😂😂 same with the other skits and songs on that album. I still say "the night time is the right time" to this day 😂
“One day he’ll get too close & I’ll bite his fucking ear off! That’s a promise” “take it easy” “I know, I know I’m all talk & can’t even bite through the fucking rope” haha classic!
This is why I hate the media obsession with QBs. I think that it could be potentially easily argued that Peyton Manning was probably a little better as a technical QB than Brady. However, Brady had much better defenses than Manning. The team is so much bigger than just the QB, but the QB is still really important. A great QB allows for continuity for team success. But if you put a bunch of terrible players around that QB they’re not gonna look as good. If you want proof of that look at College football.
Still take Brady over Manning all day every day. Dude just got it done year in year out. Love the lazy take “Durr Brady always had elite defenses” which is patently false
@@TheVulgarPeasant it’s not a lazy take . Matt Cassel took the Pats to an 11-5 record when Brady went down for the year. When Manning was out for the year in Indianapolis the Colts were the worst team in the league.
@@stephensybert3237Manning was objectively bad in the playoffs, he wasn’t good in either of his 2 SB runs or any of his 4 SB games. Brady wasn’t exactly always good either but he had far more moments and runs where he was great than Manning did.
@@mani-xc9rs You’re kind of proving my point here which is that we over equate team success with individual quarterback success. First and foremost Manning is the Super Bowl 41 MVP, so he did play well in at least one Super Bowl. I’m not trying to say that Tom Brady isn’t absolutely one of the greatest players in the history of football, he absolutely is maybe the greatest. But to say he won so many championships based on him alone is false. Hell, even when he went and won one with the Bucs, he helped kind of build that team around him, and what did he make sure they had?? A great defense. Also Brady has openly admitted to adapting his game to be more like Manning’s as he matured. Tom Brady is one of the greatest football players ever, but Peyton Manning revolutionized the quarterback position as we know it into the field general model we recognize today.
@@stephensybert3237 Nobody says it’s based on him alone. But to act like manning didn’t lose several games in the playoffs due to his own inadequate play is ridiculous. His loss to the patriots in 03 & 04 were on him, to the Steelers in 05, to the chargers in 07 & 08, the Saints in 09, jets in 2010. His defenses played good enough to win those games and he didn’t come through. That’s not to say that Brady doesn’t have games like that because he does but he also has a lot more games where he came through than Manning does.
As a 57 year old, I remember singing a made-up song in slow pitch softball. "Are you the hero or the goat?"? I haven't thought about that in 35 years. God I'm old!😢
As a football fan I am sick of this debate. I know it gets ratings but football is my favorite precisely because it's a team sport and now they're injecting that NBA basketball star oriented filth into the game of football when the reason so many of us like football is for the teams. It's just tiring.
I love how every year people like you pick the Bills over the Chiefs headed into the playoffs, passionately arguing that they are the better team and that it’s finally Allen’s moment. Only to retroactively spew nonsense about Allen being at such a disadvantage in roster talent.
What really makes a GOAT is the propensity for other teams to just randomly fall apart in front of them. That's what keeps Manning and Marino out of the conversation
Yeah Isn't that weird In the first half 49ers offense and defense was clearly better. Then just like someone flicked a switch. Almost like it was scripted.
It's a dumb debate. He's only played six seasons and won 3 superbowls. He's the best qb of his generation. But let's just enjoy what we're watching and let it unfold
@@fabiomassimocapasso7028 but probably inevitable at some point, as even the boomers are becoming very aware of the whole travis/taylor excitement and are digging through the most ancient facebook memes on the face of the earth to talk about it
There is also the fact that it’s hard to compare QBs from different eras. The rules have changed so as to give so much advantage to the passing game and the stats reflect that. And QBs last longer and are healthier because it’s become basically illegal to hit them in the pocket.
That's why Superbowl rings has more weight than stats. Stats will be affected by rules and evolution of the game. Winning has to do with dominating your peers.
And on the Raiders' home field, no less! If only there had been some Chargers-related aspect, we could have rubbed all of the AFC West's faces in this game...
Love your channel man! Everyone as a fan has bias I like how you use yours as comic relieve while stating the facts. keep up the great content and we will watch!!!
I’m old enough to remember the Joe Montana era and, despite me being a longtime Chiefs fan, I’ve always felt he was the greatest QB I’ve ever seen play.
As a fellow Bears fan I will gladly take just one ring from either Fields or Williams to go with at least a 4000yd season and 30 PTD 😭 If only we had the chance to draft a guy like Mahomes… wait, what was that, we did. We even traded up in that draft… and we still didn’t pick him 😡 At least we have the Lions and Vikings in our division… they don’t even have a 1985 to keep going back to 😜
Fellow Bears fan for over 40 years. How have the Bears not even accidentally had a star quarterback in their history? It don’t make sense. They should draft a QB every single draft until they figure it out.
@@jimmyjams9036 another lesser talked about one… 2005 draft all the buzz was “who would go #1- Smith or Rodgers?”. Yes they drafted Grossman in the 1st round two years prior, but he still hadn’t proven anything. We had the #4 pick and despite being terrorized by Favre for the last 13yrs and Manning and Brady showing that you needed an excellent QB to be successful Jerry Angelo said “let’s pretend it’s 1985 again and hope this Cedric Benson is the next Walter Payton.” 🤦♂️ Adding insult to injury they still picked a QB that year in the 4th round, but it was the marvel of mediocrity that was Kyle Orton 🤣 And go figure that guy we passed on would make us yearn for the years when Favre didn’t quite own us as much 😭
Thank you Brandon P.! What you shared is very educational and helpful, especially the final drive stats. And yes, we will always want to know or choose who "The Best" is, I'm not sure why, but maybe we all want to know who the best is so that we can idolize them or have a goal to shoot for. Well done!
As a 54 year old and longtime fan of the NFL, I've lived through multiple dynasties and many great QBs. I was always privy to Montana as a Notre Dame fan even though I am a GIants fan and I still maintain he's one of the greatest. I feel as if the younger generations don't really enjoy the sport anymore as much as they like to argue about trivial things, instead of just appreciating the greatness in front of you. Everyone is a fraud now or was carried by his team or something to that effect. Mahomes is one of the most talented QBs I've ever seen and I just enjoy and appreciate his greatness while he's playing. That's just how I feel. I don't need to debate who's the GOAT or whatever.
I'm 52 and saw all of these guys too. Mahomes is the most "inevitable" QB I've seen since Elway. Maybe he will be the best once it's all said and done, but yeah, it does seem folks don't appreciate what they see for what it is. Bradshaw was my guy as a Steelers fan in the 70s, but is he the GOAT? Who cares?
I'd rather Mahomes be labeled the goat over brady. Brady was so vanilla and boring to me, while i actually have fun watching Mahomes. I hope he surpasses Brady
More than anything else, people who obsess over this question strike me as people who are completely unable to just enjoy the moment for what it is. As a Chiefs fan, I'm still over the moon on Mahomes' previous Super Bowl victory because I'm still floored that he did it on one leg. Dude could've retired after that season and I wouldn't have cared that he wasn't the GOAT because I'm not sure I'm ever going to see something more impressive than that in my life. Just savor the moment. You don't need to get emotionally attached to things that haven't even happened yet. It also just cheapens the whole idea of an "all-timer" if you're so eager to apply the label so quickly.
The best thing about the goat debate is that people like you give us 20 minutes of content. And we all get to argue about it. Like it used to be in the college football National championship debate. Good times good times
It feels sports media has always been like this with QBs that win early. Watch any sports program from the mid 2000s and Brady was already getting GOAT talks after his first 3 Super Bowl rings.
@@mike9031Exactly. Some may find it annoying but the statistics, awards, and rings all prove Mahomes’ historical greatness. He has no peers at the moment. With another ring, he would officially become the second greatest QB behind Brady
@@marcusjenkins5371I agree and Mahomes deserves so much credit for what KC has accomplished despite roster turnover, but I find it annoying when we give GOAT distinctions to guys who’s careers aren’t even half over. There was a time when Manning was seen as a perennial choker, when Steve Young was just Montana’s backup and Johnny Unitas was on the Steelers. All those guys became all-time great QBs in time. On the other side, you have guys like Marino who seem like they’ll own the NFL after 1984 or Aikman winning 3 Super Bowls in his first 7 seasons and never winning a playoff game after that. Basketball/NBA is even worse about this, but it feels like we are so quick anoint someone as ‘a GOAT’ to the point that it doesn’t feel that important anymore. We don’t know what will happen in the future. Let’s see where we’re at in 10 or even just 5 years later. Mahomes may have 8 rings, maybe he’ll only have 3.
@@marcusjenkins5371 no he wouldn’t dummy. Montana is still better, 4-0 in the Super Bowl, threw 100+ rating in every single game, 12 TDs and ZERO interceptions
As a chiefs fan, but also a subscriber for about two years now, thanks for this video. I’m sure it’s hard living in the shadow of KC right now (we lived in the broncos shadow for at least a decade). Good info and good opinions in the video. I agree, Mahomes isn’t the goat (yet) but just let the man play and we will see where the chips land.
Which is why Brady fanboys/racists were so desperate to create ones - hence a completely and utterly false rumor about Mahomes "testing positive for steroids after Super Bowl LVII" trended last year! 🤬🤬🤬 That's a blatant admission by those people that they know there's no point in comparing cheaters to non-cheaters!
At least not yet, nobody questioned the pats rings until spy gate got dropped in 2007 and deflate gate happened in 2014 AFC championship the rings they won after we know for a fact those balls were under lock and key
So this is Branden (not Michael) Perna's channel. Interesting. I guess it came up in my feed because I recently subscribed to TG. I had no idea who it was lol. I only watch NFL highlights on UA-cam yet both you and TG are entertaining enough even for non NFL junkies like myself. I'm not a fan of multiple F-bombs but this is a great video and I'm a new subscriber :)
It really is a stupid argument, especially in a team sport(though baseball is more of a team sport than football). No quarterback can lead a comeback if the defense doesn't get a stop.
exactly. having a goat in basketball makes sense because one player can make all the difference between winning and losing and one player regardless of position can dominate the game individually on both sides of the court. in football it's just stupid to try and say someone is the goat bc there's so many positions and two different sides of the ball. baseball to a lesser extent (I don't think it's as stupid to say someone is the goat in baseball bc players play both offense and defense unlike football)
One of these debates are ridiculous in themselves. But what has made them ridiculous is ESPN and the endless sports media conversation obsessing on these debates has gotten fans obsessed with what should be casual conversation.
Im a KC fan.. I absolutely love your show. I know you hate the Chiefs like we hate the Broncos, but i can appreciate a good show when i see one. Keep it up man. Well done.
Brandon "My 2 most hated players in NFL history are 1a and 1b in the GOAT conversation so I'm just going to deny the existence of GOATs altogether" Perna
Its crazy how the Bills are 2 plays away from beating the Chiefs twice but the narratives have no nuisance. I'd be suprised if Mahomes gets more than 2 more Super Bowls tho. So many insanely good young QBs in the AFC. Way tougher competition than what Brady had imo
Gabe is so inconsistent and Stefon wasn't Stefon when he needed to be. KC's defense was better and not decimated with injuries. Surprised Buffalo made it as far as they did. It isn't Josh's fault. It doesn't matter who the QB is for Buffalo, even Jesus would lose. This city needs an exorcism.
I'm not projecting goat status. If he couldn't play another game he's better. If you put him on the Brady teams he wins put tom on the chiefs he doesn't win shit.
I cannot agree that any other QB in the league has the mental toughness of Mahomes. You can see in his dimeanor that he never believes the game is lost until time runs out. That SB loss against Tampa proved it to me more than any of his wins. He was determined to win that game by himself even when his team was letting him down.
I've been saying this for 20 years. Tom Brady is not even top 5 in my GOAT rankings. The one thing that Brady has that, imho, puts him in the conversation, is his longevity and consistency, not his rings. Rings are a team stat. The list of QB's I'd take over Brady: Mahomes, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Montana, Marino, Elway, Young, Warner, Kelly, Moon, Tarkenton, and Dawson. Take any team Brady was a part of, replace him with any of those QB's, and you'll have a better team. I'd go so far as to say that Brady's first three rings, and his last one, were won despite him, not because of him.
@@pfhobia what’s there to refute? Your argument is invalid and shows you know nothing about football. I’m sorry you’re still salty about Brady after all these years. Sad.
@@Austonnnnn I stated that, in my opinion, Brady is probably the 14th best QB to play the game in my lifetime. But because I don't think he's the best, I'm "salty" and you show up to white knight him. I hope he sees this, my man. You two will be happy together.
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The opossum from your last video wants blood Brandon. Let him be the cover of the game.
Boomer
"I'm a man now"
Perna (Post-op 2024)
The amount of shear blasphemy in the video is horrific ur videos are terrible and I hate how ur always ruining a good thing for the chiefs im sorry ur on the wrong team but mahomes is him if ur so upset u should have drafted him lmao
Bruh manning really ur kidding right I really like manning but damn he had such a good defense in Denver and oh he couldn’t get past Brady in Indy makes sense
Brandon "If Mahomes was a Bronco I would've called him the GOAT 3 Super Bowls ago" Perna
Average broncos fan
Hahaha, lmao..good one! 😂
He would obviously, he's just a Chiefs hater. Typical Broncos fan 😂😂.
Oh we hate the Broncos too, there our division rival. All those years with Elway and then Peyton being there and dominating us sucked, now the tables have turned with us having Mahomes.
@TotallyBakerMayfield we hate the broncos but our hate for the raiders is much stronger
Not gonna lie, The GOTE (Greatest Of Their Era) acronym you used was genius.
LOOK, MOM! I’M FAMOUS!
@@hearmeoutplz7801dudeeee shut uppp
Not really
It's definitely more accurate. Considering how much the rules have changed, football today is an entirely different game than it was thirty or fifty years ago. Even early 2000's football, when Brady started, was less pass friendly than today.
Except Brady played long enough that it’s really the same era also but nice try lol
Any sports fan can’t deny how Michael Jordan could dominate in Cristiano Ronaldo’s era
It’s like no one even realizes that Cristiano Ronaldo is a SYSTEM QUARTERBACK😒. Casuals istg
You just gave me a stroke.
Everyone forgets Montana was Deadly from 3! @markgilbertjr413
Who ?
@@KjoshWaddellBananasAreGood THANK you!
Impressive that Perna lasted over 19min until his body rejected giving a rival QB a legitimate compliment.
I've been on my death bed ever since.
There's only one thing to do, Brandon. You gotta burn the Curse wheel, it's clearly an agent for the Chiefs
As a Chiefs fan... NO!!! 😂
Or he can double down and get a 2nd wheel??
Curse wheel was our secret weapon all off-season. 🤣
Brandon: *reads the Made In on the back of the Curse Wheel* "Made in...Kansas City?!"
He needs to get a Bless Wheel and make EVERY spot the Chiefs. That is the only way to curse them.
Mahomes having a defensive is like Happy Gilmore learning to putt. Happy learned how to putt. Uh... oh
There will be some defensive turnover but the Chiefs will likely be better on offense next year.
I mean, Chiefs have had a top 10 defense in points allowed every year of his career except 2018 and 2022. This year just happened to be the very best defense he’s had. He’s great, but his defense has been good for a while too
Yup they'll be in their happy place for the next decade. Reap it.
@@johnny__topsideAnyone that has eyes knows that 2018 defense wasn’t good. It was horrible actually
@johnny__topside uh half and half. Chiefs have had a decent defense untill McDuffie and Williams the cb were very weak. Just Sneed. That results in the team being burnt by long plays. We will see how the Sneed contract works out.
Uploaded the wrong edit. Thank you for coming back lol
Your welcome
The Opossum from your last video wants blood Brandon, feed the possum and put him on the cover
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AS A COLTS FAN I HOPE AR IS AMAZING AND THEN THE BRONCOS GET HIM TO WIN IN HIS LATER YEARS
We're all Pernagraphers here.
Jokes on you, I didn’t see the first upload
Elway carrying the lambardi trophy to the chiefs in the raiders new stadium well never get old.
Just needed the chargers to contribute in some way
@@flamingfish6850 They managed to Charger themselves into not having any part of it because they're the Chargers.
@@flamingfish6850Tranquil was on the chargers last season is now won the superbowl with the chiefs
The look on his face was priceless!!
@@flamingfish6850 The Chargers contributed to this Super Bowl the way they've contributed to every Super Bowl - by not being there when the game is over.
this man's content is lightyears beyond anything on cable sports. maybe it's the platform and the independence but we all remember when ESPN used to be fun like this, before it became who's arguing with SAS now.
Crazy stat: When Marino threw 48 tds to break the td pass record he doubled the amount of tds thrown by the second place QB. That made Marino literally 100% more valuable than the competition. When Brady threw 50 TDS he only threw 28% more than second place.
Marino's 1984 season is such a wild outlier in football. 2000s era stats two decades too early.
Also makes you realize how good the 1984 49ers were.
playoff????
@@j.a.greene3523 you ain't kidding.
Meh. Marino started super strong but petered off after year 5.
As a native Kansan and living in KC, and a fan of the Chiefs, my wife and I watch all of your videos. Not only do you make great points pretty often while also throwing in some hilarity, but you know how to actually give props to people who deserve it even if it hurts all the way to your soul to say it haha. Thank you and keep doing what you do, we love it!
I second this. Love your videos
I third it😂
This is the argument I've been making for years. You made the argument better and funnier with greater examples. Love the jokes! I'll be sending folks this video when they balk at me for not believing in the GOAT argument when it comes to football in particular.
Damn, what a smart analysis and amazing presentation. U the GOTE of UA-cam sports analysis,Perna.
Been following you for a couple years and this is my all time favourite vid u have done! The funny thing is, when I saw the title I was confident this would be a great vid!
That 7-for-7 stat in the playoffs 😂"what in the actual f#%k!" hahaha
That change to GOTE and fake ending the video had me dead lol
Your show is so good 😂 keep doing what you’re doing!
The Goat Skit from Adam Sandler is legendary 😂😂😂 same with the other skits and songs on that album. I still say "the night time is the right time" to this day 😂
Tollbooth Willy was always one of my favorites.
As long as you aren't singing about your shampoo bottle... 😳
Fuck the sun, I fucking hate it too. Long live the fucking beast.
“One day he’ll get too close & I’ll bite his fucking ear off! That’s a promise” “take it easy” “I know, I know I’m all talk & can’t even bite through the fucking rope” haha classic!
Hahahahaha I do the same thing!
This is why I hate the media obsession with QBs. I think that it could be potentially easily argued that Peyton Manning was probably a little better as a technical QB than Brady. However, Brady had much better defenses than Manning. The team is so much bigger than just the QB, but the QB is still really important. A great QB allows for continuity for team success. But if you put a bunch of terrible players around that QB they’re not gonna look as good. If you want proof of that look at College football.
Still take Brady over Manning all day every day. Dude just got it done year in year out. Love the lazy take “Durr Brady always had elite defenses” which is patently false
@@TheVulgarPeasant it’s not a lazy take . Matt Cassel took the Pats to an 11-5 record when Brady went down for the year. When Manning was out for the year in Indianapolis the Colts were the worst team in the league.
@@stephensybert3237Manning was objectively bad in the playoffs, he wasn’t good in either of his 2 SB runs or any of his 4 SB games. Brady wasn’t exactly always good either but he had far more moments and runs where he was great than Manning did.
@@mani-xc9rs You’re kind of proving my point here which is that we over equate team success with individual quarterback success. First and foremost Manning is the Super Bowl 41 MVP, so he did play well in at least one Super Bowl. I’m not trying to say that Tom Brady isn’t absolutely one of the greatest players in the history of football, he absolutely is maybe the greatest. But to say he won so many championships based on him alone is false. Hell, even when he went and won one with the Bucs, he helped kind of build that team around him, and what did he make sure they had?? A great defense. Also Brady has openly admitted to adapting his game to be more like Manning’s as he matured. Tom Brady is one of the greatest football players ever, but Peyton Manning revolutionized the quarterback position as we know it into the field general model we recognize today.
@@stephensybert3237 Nobody says it’s based on him alone. But to act like manning didn’t lose several games in the playoffs due to his own inadequate play is ridiculous. His loss to the patriots in 03 & 04 were on him, to the Steelers in 05, to the chargers in 07 & 08, the Saints in 09, jets in 2010. His defenses played good enough to win those games and he didn’t come through. That’s not to say that Brady doesn’t have games like that because he does but he also has a lot more games where he came through than Manning does.
LOL, that ending was HILARIOUS. If I haven't said it enough...I love this channel. Perna, you may be the GOTE of the internet.
49ers on that 5-year edging steak
the cowboys are on year 28 of their streak lmao
@@joshdangit1612you do realize the Niners haven’t won a SB longer than the Cowboys right?😂
At least they have made it to the dance since.
@_Bungus oh I know, but every single year, they think it's their year its insanity😂
@@deemity7557the point was they keep getting close lol the cowboys haven't even been to the NFC championship game
The ending to the video was perfect! I watched it back several times and laughed hard each time! Perfect callback lol
You are the best. I'm a Chiefs fan and your humor keeps me watching every video. That bit at the end almost had me in tears.
As a 57 year old, I remember singing a made-up song in slow pitch softball. "Are you the hero or the goat?"?
I haven't thought about that in 35 years. God I'm old!😢
Brandon rocking with a hoodie that naturally forms The Raiders' crest I see. Interesting ;-)
The chiefs have overtaken the raiders in which teams we hate the most
And as a Chiefs fan enjoy this victory… it’s going to be a long time before you see another one 😏
Oh shit I remember those Adam Sandler tapes. Those were hilarious
I remember it too omg😂
And now the severe beating of a high school janitor.
Just the fact that you brought up that they were on tape makes me feel old. Ha
Like Tollbooth Willie! lol
"Piece of shit car" is a great song too
As a football fan I am sick of this debate. I know it gets ratings but football is my favorite precisely because it's a team sport and now they're injecting that NBA basketball star oriented filth into the game of football when the reason so many of us like football is for the teams. It's just tiring.
Really liked the editing on this video good job!
Goat debate is peak lazy journalism, everyone is doing that when there's nothing bettter to talk about in sports, I hate it (basketball and football)
Thank you. All of these debates are void of nuance.
I love how every year people like you pick the Bills over the Chiefs headed into the playoffs, passionately arguing that they are the better team and that it’s finally Allen’s moment. Only to retroactively spew nonsense about Allen being at such a disadvantage in roster talent.
“Balls deep into the goat”😂😂😂
Pretty sure that line is in the Quran somewhere
@@dfp_01probably
@@dfp_01This fucking SENT me 🤣
What really makes a GOAT is the propensity for other teams to just randomly fall apart in front of them. That's what keeps Manning and Marino out of the conversation
Goat debates in team sports especially one like football are so funny and pretty much completely pointless
@@oNextqThat just means you don’t understand how one player can effect every single player on the field
Yeah
Isn't that weird
In the first half 49ers offense and defense was clearly better.
Then just like someone flicked a switch.
Almost like it was scripted.
@@Dougie1969😂
Guys like Brady or Mahomes scare teams into doing dumb stuff just because they don't want to be another statistic.
im fucking crying cause of the ending lmaoooo🤣🤣🤣🤣 w man im gonna sub
You brought back so many memories with that Adam Sandler's goat bit. I had that joke tape. 😂
It's a debate because the talking heads need stuff to talk about
Exactly this. The media need individuals to discuss in order to create buzz.
And most of them think the sport didn't exist until they first saw it.
One of my favorite vids of yours. Good stuff man!
It's a dumb debate. He's only played six seasons and won 3 superbowls. He's the best qb of his generation. But let's just enjoy what we're watching and let it unfold
There’s no way I just saw a Taylor Swift screaming goat meme in 2024
yess. It made me feel kinda old
@@fabiomassimocapasso7028 but probably inevitable at some point, as even the boomers are becoming very aware of the whole travis/taylor excitement and are digging through the most ancient facebook memes on the face of the earth to talk about it
There is also the fact that it’s hard to compare QBs from different eras. The rules have changed so as to give so much advantage to the passing game and the stats reflect that. And QBs last longer and are healthier because it’s become basically illegal to hit them in the pocket.
And yet offences were down leaguewide the last two seasons
@@Renegade-kf8fpdown compared to what tho?
@@Renegade-kf8fphow were they down they had an extra game😂
That's why Superbowl rings has more weight than stats. Stats will be affected by rules and evolution of the game. Winning has to do with dominating your peers.
@@BrianK-zz4fk Are you stupid? Offenses all season have been struggling. It's almost all everyone was talking about this year...
you're an incredible writer lmao love the content
I was always told that Ali started the GOAT talk, before Jordan, Gretsky and Brady!!!
Mahomes bout to redefine it
hes the only one that said it about himself and might be unlike lebum
@@Renegade-kf8fp not happening lad
Well he got it from watching wrestlers as a kid or something
This truly was one of your best videos yet. Getting really good at this "Balls Deep" thing.
I gotta say it was very special to see Elway present the Lombardi 😂
And on the Raiders' home field, no less! If only there had been some Chargers-related aspect, we could have rubbed all of the AFC West's faces in this game...
@@DamonNomad82Chargers gifted us Drue Tranquil😂. When Nick Bolton went down, Drue stepped in and performed admirably
Thank you for this! Can we not just watch and appreciate what we’re seeing without hearing GOAT hot takes every other minute?
The fact you used Adam Sandlers comedy CD shows how old we are
The fact that I laughed and rewinded to listen to it a 2nd time definitely shows how old I am
Yes I’m surprised he didn’t reference “The Lonesome Kicker” when he mentioned the Bills whether it was Scott Norwood or the more recent Tyler Bass 😂
They’re all going to laugh at you!
Love your channel man! Everyone as a fan has bias I like how you use yours as comic relieve while stating the facts. keep up the great content and we will watch!!!
The funny thing is Mahomes would be the first guy to credit his teammates
Always appreciate you perna!!! Even as a chiefs fan I always love your work brother
I’m old enough to remember the Joe Montana era and, despite me being a longtime Chiefs fan, I’ve always felt he was the greatest QB I’ve ever seen play.
I'm proud of the growth and maturity you displayed in this video ;)
As a Bears fan, I will gladly sleep on a Bear mattress. Hopefully the right one arrives the first time lol
As a fellow Bears fan I will gladly take just one ring from either Fields or Williams to go with at least a 4000yd season and 30 PTD 😭
If only we had the chance to draft a guy like Mahomes… wait, what was that, we did. We even traded up in that draft… and we still didn’t pick him 😡
At least we have the Lions and Vikings in our division… they don’t even have a 1985 to keep going back to 😜
Fellow Bears fan for over 40 years. How have the Bears not even accidentally had a star quarterback in their history? It don’t make sense. They should draft a QB every single draft until they figure it out.
@@jimmyjams9036 another lesser talked about one… 2005 draft all the buzz was “who would go #1- Smith or Rodgers?”. Yes they drafted Grossman in the 1st round two years prior, but he still hadn’t proven anything. We had the #4 pick and despite being terrorized by Favre for the last 13yrs and Manning and Brady showing that you needed an excellent QB to be successful Jerry Angelo said “let’s pretend it’s 1985 again and hope this Cedric Benson is the next Walter Payton.” 🤦♂️
Adding insult to injury they still picked a QB that year in the 4th round, but it was the marvel of mediocrity that was Kyle Orton 🤣
And go figure that guy we passed on would make us yearn for the years when Favre didn’t quite own us as much 😭
It all depends on who is the mattress packer, since they own the bears
Thank you Brandon P.! What you shared is very educational and helpful, especially the final drive stats. And yes, we will always want to know or choose who "The Best" is, I'm not sure why, but maybe we all want to know who the best is so that we can idolize them or have a goal to shoot for. Well done!
bears could have drafted him and we could ha e avoided all these conversations
Bro I haven't thought of that Adam Sandler goat bit since middle school. Thanks for unlocking a long lost memory XD
As a 54 year old and longtime fan of the NFL, I've lived through multiple dynasties and many great QBs. I was always privy to Montana as a Notre Dame fan even though I am a GIants fan and I still maintain he's one of the greatest. I feel as if the younger generations don't really enjoy the sport anymore as much as they like to argue about trivial things, instead of just appreciating the greatness in front of you. Everyone is a fraud now or was carried by his team or something to that effect. Mahomes is one of the most talented QBs I've ever seen and I just enjoy and appreciate his greatness while he's playing. That's just how I feel. I don't need to debate who's the GOAT or whatever.
I'm 52 and saw all of these guys too. Mahomes is the most "inevitable" QB I've seen since Elway. Maybe he will be the best once it's all said and done, but yeah, it does seem folks don't appreciate what they see for what it is. Bradshaw was my guy as a Steelers fan in the 70s, but is he the GOAT? Who cares?
Old guy here. The best comment I’ve read about comparing Brady to MaHomes is this. Brady is the GOAT, MaHomes is the “little GOAT.”
I'd rather Mahomes be labeled the goat over brady. Brady was so vanilla and boring to me, while i actually have fun watching Mahomes. I hope he surpasses Brady
He needs 10 SBs and a 3peat for consideration.
First time I was glad I didn't skip the ad. You got a beautiful family man, thanks for sharing with us
More than anything else, people who obsess over this question strike me as people who are completely unable to just enjoy the moment for what it is. As a Chiefs fan, I'm still over the moon on Mahomes' previous Super Bowl victory because I'm still floored that he did it on one leg. Dude could've retired after that season and I wouldn't have cared that he wasn't the GOAT because I'm not sure I'm ever going to see something more impressive than that in my life. Just savor the moment. You don't need to get emotionally attached to things that haven't even happened yet. It also just cheapens the whole idea of an "all-timer" if you're so eager to apply the label so quickly.
The best thing about the goat debate is that people like you give us 20 minutes of content. And we all get to argue about it.
Like it used to be in the college football National championship debate.
Good times good times
I agree it’s the laziest, easiest conversation for these sports talk shows and they do it seems like almost monthly
Not just sports
It’s everywhere
Im a type 1 diabetic and your diabetes comment was the hardest I've laughed in a hot minute. Thank you for that
It feels sports media has always been like this with QBs that win early. Watch any sports program from the mid 2000s and Brady was already getting GOAT talks after his first 3 Super Bowl rings.
@@mike9031Team. Accomplishment. How many times do you idiots have to hear this before it registers?
@@mike9031Exactly. Some may find it annoying but the statistics, awards, and rings all prove Mahomes’ historical greatness. He has no peers at the moment. With another ring, he would officially become the second greatest QB behind Brady
@@marcusjenkins5371I agree and Mahomes deserves so much credit for what KC has accomplished despite roster turnover, but I find it annoying when we give GOAT distinctions to guys who’s careers aren’t even half over. There was a time when Manning was seen as a perennial choker, when Steve Young was just Montana’s backup and Johnny Unitas was on the Steelers. All those guys became all-time great QBs in time. On the other side, you have guys like Marino who seem like they’ll own the NFL after 1984 or Aikman winning 3 Super Bowls in his first 7 seasons and never winning a playoff game after that. Basketball/NBA is even worse about this, but it feels like we are so quick anoint someone as ‘a GOAT’ to the point that it doesn’t feel that important anymore. We don’t know what will happen in the future. Let’s see where we’re at in 10 or even just 5 years later. Mahomes may have 8 rings, maybe he’ll only have 3.
@@mike9031yeah exactly
@@marcusjenkins5371 no he wouldn’t dummy. Montana is still better, 4-0 in the Super Bowl, threw 100+ rating in every single game, 12 TDs and ZERO interceptions
Big fan of your show. Definitely keeps me entertained. Also I understand the pain of being a Bronco fan.
As a chiefs fan, but also a subscriber for about two years now, thanks for this video. I’m sure it’s hard living in the shadow of KC right now (we lived in the broncos shadow for at least a decade). Good info and good opinions in the video. I agree, Mahomes isn’t the goat (yet) but just let the man play and we will see where the chips land.
12:47 Laughing so suddenly you fire off an inadvertent snot rocket alert 😂
I can't wait to tell my kids about this video around the plastene 7-11 branded radiator off the coast of the eastern garbage archipelago
Great video Perna. You're the GOAT....
Also Mahomes has no controversies surrounding his wins. No Spy-gate, No Deflate-Gate
Which is why Brady fanboys/racists were so desperate to create ones - hence a completely and utterly false rumor about Mahomes "testing positive for steroids after Super Bowl LVII" trended last year! 🤬🤬🤬
That's a blatant admission by those people that they know there's no point in comparing cheaters to non-cheaters!
At least not yet, nobody questioned the pats rings until spy gate got dropped in 2007 and deflate gate happened in 2014 AFC championship the rings they won after we know for a fact those balls were under lock and key
Everyone just claims that he has the refs in his pocket.
@@Sea_Stalliontuck rule
@@duelist301
He doesn't?
Liking and commenting for the algorithm, also used your bear mattress link and code 👍🏼🤙🏼
The GOTE solution is a GOAT solution
Best episode I’ve seen. Really well done.
We saw that Perna. What are you hiding in the original video???
My Adam Sandler reference that I inserted lol
@@thatsgoodsportslol 🤣
So this is Branden (not Michael) Perna's channel. Interesting. I guess it came up in my feed because I recently subscribed to TG. I had no idea who it was lol. I only watch NFL highlights on UA-cam yet both you and TG are entertaining enough even for non NFL junkies like myself. I'm not a fan of multiple F-bombs but this is a great video and I'm a new subscriber :)
It really is a stupid argument, especially in a team sport(though baseball is more of a team sport than football). No quarterback can lead a comeback if the defense doesn't get a stop.
exactly. having a goat in basketball makes sense because one player can make all the difference between winning and losing and one player regardless of position can dominate the game individually on both sides of the court. in football it's just stupid to try and say someone is the goat bc there's so many positions and two different sides of the ball. baseball to a lesser extent (I don't think it's as stupid to say someone is the goat in baseball bc players play both offense and defense unlike football)
Thanks Perna!!! As a KC fan I appreciate this whole episode. I know it was hard to stomach as a Broncos fan bud. Good job dude!!!
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I vote this video as the GOAT of videos. 😂😂😂 GOAT conversations are dumber than debating with Cowboy fans. Love ya, Scooter.
Mahomes is the best quarterback I’ve ever seen play in the nfl. That’s why he’s the best lol
One of these debates are ridiculous in themselves. But what has made them ridiculous is ESPN and the endless sports media conversation obsessing on these debates has gotten fans obsessed with what should be casual conversation.
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Im a KC fan.. I absolutely love your show. I know you hate the Chiefs like we hate the Broncos, but i can appreciate a good show when i see one. Keep it up man. Well done.
Brandon "My 2 most hated players in NFL history are 1a and 1b in the GOAT conversation so I'm just going to deny the existence of GOATs altogether" Perna
Neither of them have five MVPs lmao. Peyton is the goat and everyone knows it.
@@MethSlothPeyton is a big game choker. He wasn’t the playoff performer that Brady or Montana was or that Mahomes currently is.
“Peyton Manning will never get the respect he deserves” fucking flaming 10th layer of hell hot take
Its crazy how the Bills are 2 plays away from beating the Chiefs twice but the narratives have no nuisance.
I'd be suprised if Mahomes gets more than 2 more Super Bowls tho. So many insanely good young QBs in the AFC. Way tougher competition than what Brady had imo
Let's see, Mahomes has three Superbowl rings and the Bills have....?
Thats crazy talk. Brady played when defenses were allowed to hit and in the greatest QB era ever
Greatest ending to any video ever. Hahaha I'm dying.
“Mahomes had the better team around him” His receivers can’t catch the ball and Josh Allen has Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis.
Gabe is so inconsistent and Stefon wasn't Stefon when he needed to be. KC's defense was better and not decimated with injuries. Surprised Buffalo made it as far as they did. It isn't Josh's fault. It doesn't matter who the QB is for Buffalo, even Jesus would lose. This city needs an exorcism.
Peyton Manning was probably the greatest QB who operated like he was a coach.
I'm not projecting goat status. If he couldn't play another game he's better. If you put him on the Brady teams he wins put tom on the chiefs he doesn't win shit.
Good stuff, got a few chuckles out of this ... thanks
I cannot agree that any other QB in the league has the mental toughness of Mahomes. You can see in his dimeanor that he never believes the game is lost until time runs out. That SB loss against Tampa proved it to me more than any of his wins. He was determined to win that game by himself even when his team was letting him down.
The first edit was also flawless. Thanks Perna
Ooof Broncos gonna have a tough time for the next decade LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Excellent analysis!!!!! In the end who has the most NFL individual records ranked by importance from the pundits.
Version 2.0
Such a sensible take, I love it. This GOAT debate is so tired.
I've heard of a third definition of goat: someone you take to the Survivor finale because you're confident you can beat them
This is why I cut cable. Unbiased and well balanced sports coverage like this
I've been saying this for 20 years. Tom Brady is not even top 5 in my GOAT rankings. The one thing that Brady has that, imho, puts him in the conversation, is his longevity and consistency, not his rings. Rings are a team stat. The list of QB's I'd take over Brady: Mahomes, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Montana, Marino, Elway, Young, Warner, Kelly, Moon, Tarkenton, and Dawson. Take any team Brady was a part of, replace him with any of those QB's, and you'll have a better team. I'd go so far as to say that Brady's first three rings, and his last one, were won despite him, not because of him.
I’m going to guess you’re a fan of one of the teams that Brady routinely throttled for 20 years straight. Show me on the doll where Brady hurt you
@@Austonnnnn My favorite kind of apologist are the ones that can't refute the message, so instead focus on attacking the messenger.
@@pfhobia what’s there to refute? Your argument is invalid and shows you know nothing about football. I’m sorry you’re still salty about Brady after all these years. Sad.
@@Austonnnnn I stated that, in my opinion, Brady is probably the 14th best QB to play the game in my lifetime. But because I don't think he's the best, I'm "salty" and you show up to white knight him.
I hope he sees this, my man. You two will be happy together.
@@pfhobia haha I feel dumber having talked to you. Have a good day man and try your best to get past these tough feelings you’re having