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0:00 Welcome to Paul’s Tech News - August 20, 2023
1:57 The LTT Situation - It started with a Gamers Nexus video Monday
3:17 Public Response, 2nd GN video, Billet Labs Follow Up
5:46 LTT Response Video and Madison’s Allegations
7:02 Fallout - Sub counts dropping, WAN Show Canceled, Videos on Hold
TECH BRIEFS
9:14 Arc Graphics Updates And PresentMon Tested: Intel Makes Huge Strides
10:21 Intel's next-gen Battlemage GPU could take the fight to Nvidia's RTX 4080
11:19 Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX 96-core CPU leaks out, boosts up to 5.14 GHz
12:09 NVIDIA Expects to Ship 550,000 H100 AI GPUs in 2023, Generating $25 Billion+
13:19 ULTRARAM memory tech could let your PC hibernate for over 1,000 years
14:21 Outro
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The Linus Tech Tips Situation
It started with a Gamers Nexus video on Monday
• The Problem with Linus...
linustechtips.com/topic/15261...
Public Response / Billet Labs Follow Up
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LTT Response Video
• What do we do now?
Fallout - Sub counts dropping on UA-cam and Floatplane
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Peak was just below 42K
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Madison Reeve’s Allegations of Mistreatment during LMG employment
www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23...
Some confirmation from former LMG employee Colin
DubMFG/status/169...
LTT Investigating, will hire 3rd party
www.reddit.com/media?url=http...
WAN Show Canceled
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TECH BRIEFS
Arc Graphics Updates And PresentMon Tested: Intel Makes Huge Strides
hothardware.com/news/intel-ar...
Intel's next-gen Battlemage GPU could take the fight to Nvidia's RTX 4080
www.pcgamer.com/intels-next-g...
www.tomshardware.com/news/int...
harukaze5719/stat...
Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX 96-core CPU leaks out, boosts up to 5.14 GHz
videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen...
NVIDIA Expects to Ship 550,000 H100 AI GPUs in 2023, Generating $25 Billion+
wccftech.com/nvidia-expects-t...
www.tomshardware.com/news/nvi...
ULTRARAM memory tech could let your PC hibernate for over 1,000 years
www.pcgamer.com/ultraram-may-...
www.electronicsweekly.com/new...
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This is LTT’s worst week… so far.
When you're going through hell, keep going! Things can only get better from this point on... I for one am looking forward to a new entertaining future with LTT, and another backpack that I've ordered =)
Um.. you mean "CONTINUED FAIL" ... happy to help
@@SkeleTonHammer clearly the sycophant is not if you continue to listen
Yep, and 1.3 million YT sub's down.
@@hardergamer* 200,000.
Not sure where you got 1.3m from
It didn't just start with a video by Gamers Nexus, It started when LTT called out Gamers Nexus for not being technical enough.
I think there were like 3-4 small passive aggressive back and forths before that. Its been brewing for probably a year now.
During LTX somebody was recording and talking to LABS.. somebody in LABS mentioned they retest everything for each test and mentioned (in a belittling tone) that gamers nexus did not do that. In the next week's WAN show, Linus said that was correct but not the best way to say it. So effectively they said their data was better than Gamers Nexus data. That may have prompted Steve to do a video since I am sure he knew LMG videos were riddled with errors before that.
agreed, i'm glad to see karma swinging back around so quickly because there are definitely some great people working at LTT. i believe they're learning big company problems in front of their audience. they've been greedy for a bit. while unfortunate, it's for the better of their business and it's the nature of the youtube beast.
yeah it was more like LTT got pissy about GN saying they were going to be covering them like any other multimillion dollar corpo from last year and the GN video was just a "bruh" moment after their bullshit for the past year.
And it would not be so big if linus just said sorry we're wrong and not blames everyone else but him
I really appreciate creators who put time stamps on their videos. Thanks :)
I should've known Samus that watches Paul's Hardware.
Dude, that description section is a bloody book!! 😆
@@ElectronicPleasure I've seen worse
the one of steve as the grim ripper knocking on company doors is pretty funny too
When Steve came out and said not too long ago "We can no longer avoid treating LTT as a company the same way we do to others", I would never think that this is what he meant. He's actually doing it. By not emailing Linus privately and instead making a public statement, he is actually being true to what he said before
This needs more attention, those that would call this "attack" uncalled for, obviously missed this key detail.
Hear, hear.
Indeed!
I saw it, heard it, and a shiver went down my spine.
He dumped a bucket of cold water on LTT for sure!
I do not know how i feel about that tbh...
i guess i´ll sit back and relax.
Its just a shame Steve got so much wrong, which is why right to reply is important, shouldve asked Linus for comment an put those in his video, sigh!
@@eponaalbion aaaahhh, and here's the ubiquitous fanboy, budding in.
Gamers Nexus is working on an expose of Paul's Hardware extreme use of reasonable behavior and likeability.
Well, he does drink beer on the program, so there's his obvious... No, not alcoholism, but uh, what's the word? Oh yeah, mellowness.
@@RickSFfan Paul drinks beer . . . on video?!! Won’t anyone think of the children!!!
More like Paul's use of bias.
@@minhduong1484 im a patreon supporter of Craft Computing, who's entire name literally implies that he drinks craft beers. which he does. in every video. he even does a quick review of each brew haha
@@ghomerhustI figured the name would imply crafting computers.
Making mistakes is one thing. Doubling down on one that can ruin a small business out of sheer arrogance is another.
This happens when you grow too quickly and dont know how to run a business at the same time.
"Small buisnes" made a crappy product. LTT was wrong for not sending it back, but it does not change the fact is is a bad product. Not for this GPU ... yeah right, but if you are making a product for something that is already a bit obsolete, and cannot be used for newer technology ... than it is what it is.
@@aleksazunjic9672 lol it’s a crappy product when you don’t follow the instructions
@@1fires1 Auctioning it off on 'accident' may be a result of growth but trying to justify it like Linus did in any way is moronic and more indicative that Linus still didn't care or respect other organizations or their products. Very yikes. Saying you are reimbursing them is tone deaf. They should be contacting the purchaser and paying whatever they can to buy it back to send back to billet if at all possible.
@@1fires1 You can get rid of the "grow too quickly" part. This is purely when someone doesn't know how to run a business. Of any size.
A lack of professionalism (putting out accurate info and not abusing your employees, for example) is not something that should be tolerated in any professional space, no matter the size.
That's an excellent recap of what was one of the most difficult weeks for Tech News.
I don't think you have to worry about Steve making a video about your channel like that. This is one of the most chill channels on UA-cam and personally one of my favorites overall. The combination of your humor and Joe's editing is perfect!
until he hears one employees dumb comment and then poof. Steve nuked your life without warning. ugh makes me sick.
u think so?
LOL, you believe the Gamer Nexusnake can do it to Linus; you think he won't do it to other tech;
the drama itself earns him more subs, from 1.93M to 2.06M. UA-cam can't lie about adding subs, right?
Linus is his longtime tech friend who backed him up during the AMD GPU backlash a few years ago,
so what is his thanks note? LOL
u are dreaming
@@vibr0314ur delusional
But officer, I wasn't selling drugs, I was auctioning them!
Straight to jail
@@kimhoangvutieu6159 😭
For charity!
@@floydster23 Indeed. All proceeds goes to the totally legit "making me rich foundation". An all-profit organization. We're tax-exempt of course. 🤫
Of all the indefensible things Linus said, I feel like that is the one that at least makes sense. He was trying to make it seem less bad by pointing out that the money went to charity, not into their own pockets.
_The problem with Paul's Hardware; Accuracy, ethics, and responsibility._
Paul: Spills tea.
*spills beer
Lmao
One thing I could think of (as with a whole lot of hardware reviewers) is getting sponsored by hardware manufacturers whose products they're reviewing. But same thing goes for Gamer's Nexus as well, so there seems to be a certain amount of tolerance for such conflicts of interests.
@@Law0fRevenge GN, in a post critiquing LTT by a low sub UA-camr, pointed out "you sell CD Keys, you don't have much credibility" to which that UA-camr replied, "What the company that sponsored me is is legal, and since I don't take money from manufacturers of products that I may review, like LTT, GN and others do, I'm not sure you have room to talk."
@@Law0fRevenge just gotta use your brain and not take everything as 100%
I like LTT. But yea they make mistakes. But it's the people I enjoy watching
Thank you Paul! I always appreciate your insight and poise in a situation that none of us actually, & fully understand. I hope all sides can take the criticisms and create a better future for handling the tough situations. Look forward to your continued coverage of all things tech and the weekly cheers to a legend in the industry.
I view this as a long time coming intervention for Linus. It's up to him and his company to see if they can redeem themselves.
They're just going to put out the correct test results and never accept start ups prototypes to review. There, problem fix!
A long time coming indeed. I had unsubbed from all LMG channels during the last year, after being a long time fan. All due to a combination of burnout on content from the multitude of channels that uploaded daily (content with a steady decline in quality) and a ever growing dislike of Linus's growing ego and inability to own up to mistakes. (i mean really own up, not just passive-aggressive responses that gaslight viewers)
@@disguiseddv8ant486 That doesn't fix the problems that Madison pointed out. That recent leaked video of a meeting at LTT with stripper jokes makes them look tone deaf.
@sammiller6631 well to be fair that was one person's allegations. Not saying it isn't true but with well over 100 employees they have one former employee claiming these things with another former employee backing them up. The ceo is doing the right thing by having a 3rd party investigate and get to the bottom of it. And as far as the comment in the meeting. Sure it was uncalled for and should've been pointed out. But not a huge deal either. A level of professionalism needs to be adhered to and respect for workers and coworkers as well.
It's up to consumers to stop pretending content creators and companies care about you. Linus doesn't need to redeem himself from simps that put trust in youtubers lol.
One last thing: Billet Labs sent them an RTX 3090 Ti
which was returned, albeit not in good time. I don't get why LTT even requested a 3090ti, i'm sure they had one to use of their own.
Jesus
3090 Ti is considered obsolete in circle of Nvidia purist that would buy this cooler. Yeah, I know, but they do not use hardware to game or work, they use it to brag :D
@@aleksazunjic9672 Thing is Billet didn't have a 4090 on hand for development, scalpers and stuff. So just in case LTT didn't have a 3090ti, the sent one together with the prototype, just to get some kind of data since so far they only have their own measuremnets available and customers should rightfully be sceptical.
So Linus' staff somehow misplaced the 3090ti, handed the prototype in for auction and played it for jokes internally when aware of that (see Colton's section of the non-pology video) while Billet was waiting for any contact after July 30th.
@@aleksazunjic9672It doesn’t really matter. Just compare it to perf of the card with the stock cooler. That’s the actually relevant data.
No doubt they would make a variant more suitable to the modern card. Remember. It was a prototype; not a nearly finished product.
A multi million dollar company not being able to spend +$500 more to get accurate data for their viewers. Quantity over Quality is the wrong way to go.
even more, the real problem is ltt was promoting to be having a state of the art testing environment, which will costs millions in itself due to having to purchase a whole new building, literally building it up so it can accomodate the many new phd employers who are professional engineers just for this testing environment, and the equipment they bought also. they made like 10 videos at least, only about all of this. after that, finding out that their data is incorrect regularly, is pathetic
Linus once described LTT as the Top Gear of tech. I feel like people have forgotten that. Nobody should be buying that cooler regardless of how it comes out of testing just like nobody should be buying a Pagani.
@@MrTVintroWhy shouldn’t people buy a Pagani?
@@joejohn346 Hi there, did you buy your LTT water bottle? How about some dbrand stickers? Just kidding... oh yeah, you came for the CPU cooler review. ahahaha!!
@@ferdgerbeler8494 Does that CEO really have ties with the CCP or are you just being sarcastic?
when Linus was doubling tripling down on his mistakes and keep calling the cooler head a product nobody should buy, I think it is very much intentional and malicious.
In my opinion, his reaction and doubling down on it invalidate every review he's ever done.
He once said his credibility was the only currency he had with his audience, and no company could ever pay him enough to burn that. Well he's just set it on fire with gasoline for the dumbest reasons imaginable.
You say that, but based on independently looking into the Billet labs cooler, it’s actually not a good product. It makes 0 sense based on the landscape of existing cases/gpus and how they fit together in a build
Do YOU think people should buy that Billet Labs Cooler? As much as I would have liked to see it on a 3090 out of curiosity, an $800 cooler that doesn't work on current gen hardware is, by definition, a pointless product.
Calling out pointless products is a good thing. Pretty sure Steve from GN has referred to multiple chips as being "a waste of sand"
I am wondering how a company the size of LMG with a bank balance the size of which Linus has a video on his site boasting about the fact that he is now so rich that he and his family will never want for anything again - doesn't have at least one of each of the mainstream, currently in focus, products sitting on a shelf ready to be made available for testing is one of the world's great mysteries. His line of "Oh, we didn't have one of those models of graphics cards available to test with so we picked a totally different one and then canned the cooler for not working as designed - - that's what is truly "baffling" - to me.
@@jomeyqmalone problem is, those cooler plates are almost always made for specific models, so criticizing it for not working on a 4090, when it was intended to be used on a 3090, is kind of bull shit.
I think that Linus is doubling down that it's a bad product, based solely on it's price.
$800 is too much for what it does.
I did cringe like crazy, when LTT wasn't even testing it right, though. I mean, cmon, if you're going to make a video about it, use it as intended.
Don't care about tech news right now but man thanks for the GN/LTT TLDR, you're a life saver.
Worth to mention that everything started on the LTT side when they said that their testing is way better than GN and HU.
Well, it started surfacing with the "trust me bruh" non warranty by Linus a while before but I agree, that statement was like pouring oil on a fire.
Factually, IF Labs gets their heads out of their asses. It will be way better than GN and HU. What the guy said was correct - GN & HWU do not have the time or procedures to retest everything each time and use old data (that they themselves admit even in the video - they just say it does not need to be retested).
STEVE at Hardware Unboxed seems to come the closest with his testing. It is just a matter of opinion IF the Labs way will be more effective with comparable numbers or just a waste of automated time. Linus rushed Labs production, due to wanting ROI on that huge investment. So will Labs testing just be MORE data or will it also be MORE data that has value.
Steve at Gamers Nexus just seems butt hurt to me as HE wants to be the Data Test Guy - Even They get it wrong too. (Like blaming the end user for the RTX 4090 connector melting issue) and the Merch guy that sells tools and mats. They hawk their wares just as much as anyone else. They, GN, also seem to depend on them just as much.
I thought it was a warranty dispute when comparing backpacks to Steve's mouse mat in what is or is not covered in a warranty. That was almost a year ago, combined with journalist practices about sponsors VS product reviews that artificially outperformed better products. Especially when they partner for branding on other unrelated products on the store.
@@tisjester I disagree that he's "butthurt." Benchmark testing channels have existed before and in parallel with Gamer's Nexus and Steve's testing all of this time, and he doesn't show any amount of animosity towards other bench markers, like Hardware Unboxed as an example of a really big direct competitor. He reported on news that calls into question the validity of a $100 million company testing routines, pointed out obvious unethical business practices, and reported on how the company overworks their staff, and brought receipts.
Between having the best benchmarking on youtube, in-depth technical analysis few on the platform have to rival, and leveraging their contact network to get accurate reporting, I find it hard to believe Steve's reporting is strictly a jealous feud with a fellow content creator, and the callousness of the LMG response alongside newer allegations Gamer's Nexus is yet to report on is very telling.
Oh boy you might want to reevaluate everything
Everyone seems to have forgotten what Steve said to Linus in a video when they went all full corporate and started producing those screwdrivers. He must now treat them like a company, not just media and a colleague. He made that abundantly clear. if anyone thinks critique is an attack, especially since that critique was backed by a mountain of evidence they have some growing up to do
Yeah there was massive foreshadowing for this for a very long time, if you watch GN regularly you knew it was coming eventually
People thinking Steve should have privately messaged Linus about *ethics* at his company, don't understand how this works. This being done privately would have *changed absolutely nothing*
And it gave Maddison a chance to speak out.
@@DorrajIt could however have shed more light on the auction issue with billet labs, like Colton forgetting to include them in an email.
The errors and management no.
2 years after they got mainstream (like 5+ years ago) Linus started the attitude of "I know what I'm doing, internet people are just jealous" that's when I selected "don't recommend this channel"
Remember that video clearly. When you're selling Noctua colored screwdrivers and are co-marketing your manufactured goods you're objectivity will begin to be questioned and Steve was very clear about this up front.
Always a thoughtful approach to every problem.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for the video.
Will we be seeing Commando News in the future?
The "look at me. I'm the tech tips man now" meme of Steve makes me laugh way more than it should. Its soo good.
Lets just be honest Tech Jesus has always been the tech tips man.
@@danw6877 except when he gets called out and doubles down.
@@MrGts92 You don't know who Tech Jesus is because you seem to be mixed up on who I am referring to.
@@danw6877Steve got called out for lying about the billet labs stuff and doubled down.
@@MrGts92 Tech Jesus has long hair.
Paul is friends with both Linus and Steve so props for including this in the video and even reaching out to Steve for comments. Here’s hoping next week is better for everyone
I'm curious about his comment where he asks Steve to email him before doing a video on him in the same vein as the LTT one. He seems serious about that. Steve made it clear that relationships don't affect him when reporting stuff.
@@obiwanyutubenReaching out isn't something you do when part of the things you are reporting on are ethics problems, because someone willing to violate those may try to cover things up before your report comes out. Like Linus tried to cover up the Billet Labs thing even after the GN video came out.
I think if GN had any issues with another channels accuracy, that weren't also ethics related, he'd more than likely reach out as part of the story.
Anyone would be wary if you have a friend that can snitch on you.
@@FuburLuck I disagree, reaching out to someone you are doing a story IS something you do. If you want the complete story. As for Linus trying to cover up the Billet Labs thing?!?!? I do not see how he tried to COVER it up.. but he did try to explain LMG's side of things.. How that is covering it up?!?!? Or do you mean when he then contacted Billet Labs to find a solution that works for them? or is it the time line of when the events went down and how LMG thought they were being proactive, when with timing it looks more like they were being reactionary?
Don't get me wrong Linus screwed the pooch on this one lol.. but GN's story was malicious and they knew it.
@@tisjesterand i like how paul joked about it at the end. look at how LTT went from annoying, normie-type pc hardware channel to malicious and evil. like come on, getting to 15 million subs means people liked their content. and this expose, while factual, also is now crucifying linus, whose mistakes were his responses to the billet labs that were based on emotion. the big ones were tim's cocky comment and whoever handled the billet labs prototype.
8:28 really escalated quickly and I loved it
LOL!
Indeed! Well put Paul, well put!
Thank you for the synopsis. I was a little confused about all the hub bub having not seen the original video, your explanation puts it all in focus.
Too many people don't understand that what GN did was a peer-review - which benefits everyone. As a software engineer I know it can hurt being on the receiving end of peer-reviews, but we are all better in the end.
and he only really did it because of a comment directed towards GN from one of the labs guys
@@jenkins1234lmao that makes it sound like a retaliation, I didn't think of it like that until you mentioned it.
GN knew exactly how polarising this would become. Especially because he doesn't have all the information. One of the emails I saw in billet post said that LTT could have the product (initially). Why did they even send it to Linus. Seems like a big mistake on both ends. If the person in charge of the auction only saw the email about keeping the product then I can definitely see how it would have created a bit of frustration on both ends. The product already exists. It's extremely expensive and only fits last generation hardware. Which is useless for anyone with that much money. They can just buy a rtx 4090.
@@brezza6892it was built for 3090 because BL couldnt buy a 4090 at the time. Thats why they needed it back so they can gather more data with it before they can make improved versions
@@jenkins1234 That's not it. Steve had been concerned about the practices going on over at LTT for over a year at that point. Especially Linus "Trust me bro" debacle around his merch backpacks rubbed him the wrong way as he felt it was an anti-consumer stand.
I did jump back to watch the intro again. I hope you enjoyed that beer twice.
I did! 🍻
If only Paul got double the ad revenue from rewatching the ad...
Thanks for the ltt summary, I was avoiding all the drama, seeing your summary is a good way to catch up
GN didn't start it, LTT did....GN just responded with a thermo nuclear barrage...
I can wait for Steve to reveal the truth behind Paul's Hardware. How many thumb screws is he holding captive? What kind of fan do you need to bring to a PH meet up, floor, ceiling, oscillating? Will he ever finish that beer before the end of an episode?
And all the juicy secrets an "anonymous editor working with Paul's Hardware" can reveal about his treatment of staff
@@ArdgalAlkeides i find gamer nexus so boring he sends me to sleep, i didnt realize he likes drama so much....
@@mariospanna8389cool.
@@mariospanna8389 Maybe if you message steve directly he will put a subway surfers clip in the corner for you...
@@mariospanna8389 Same. It's like Steve's hair siphons all his energy the longer it gets. Makes me wonder if he'd even react if someone tossed a couple firecrackers behind him.
Linus deciding to open a tech lab (which is about objective data) while shitting on Gamers Nexus, who literally solved the Nvidia melting connector issue with TONS of data/testing, and not rushing for clickbait, is one of the dumbest things he has done to date. In fact, Steve is the only one who has gone into that much depth on *why* the cable issue was present, what triggered it, and how to fix the problem which was user error (loose cables, proven via testing).
GN doesn't pick fights with people for drama, so if you made Steve upset, you seriously !@#$ed up.
To be fair to Linus, he did not personally "shit on Gamers Nexus" an employee of LMG did.
@@Adam1984_and GN doesn't shit on Linus personally as well, he was focuses on how rushed LMG contents are that often causing errors and how little the effort they did to correct those errors. And also, that is how the corporate life is. One of your employees f*cked up, the entire company takes the blow.
@@dwikydarmawan7507 I don't disagree with you on any of that.
Oh yeah, Steve solved the connector issue alright...by blaming it on the owners then doubling down on it. Never in the history of pc building have people had soo many issue with plugging shit in, but yup....totally user error.
@@Adam1984_but Linus did not want to rerun the video card cooler test, a cooler for a 4090 which they put a 3090 instead
Beautiful summary upfront, my man. Happy to've found you.
Thanks for all the details on the GN/LTT issue. I was wondering. 😆
Intel moving forward with Arc is the biggest piece of news this week honestly. They haven't exactly done well in sales from what I've seen but for them to continue trying to make something and work towards being an actual contender in the realm of discrete graphics is awesome and great for the community.
Most people do not want to risk a build over gen 1 GPUs. Taking unnecessary risk is the primary reason Intel sales aren't great, but that's why everyone "Wants to buy battle mage." Intel might target an entry point AMD and Nvidia have forgotten this gen, but we all know how "driver issues" plagued AMD as the echo in the comments to this day.
@@hsanrb I get that completely. Hell I didn't get one. I'm just glad to see Intel is still willing to spend money on it. If they can do something to be a real contender in the entry level market AMD and Nvidia are gonna have to step up that segment of their offerings. Which is awesome for me cause I'll have better options for outfitting my house in more well rounded machines.
It's really not the biggest piece of news. Intel sold two Arc graphics cards and no one cares.
@@hsanrb Yeah, trust in new GPU's is the biggest issue. I mean, just look at AMD, they've been around a while now and even when they have GPU's that beat similar Nvidia GPU's in performance, vram, and cost, they still sell far less. I recently did a midrange build for my working desktop (LOTS OF 3D rendering) and I was tempted by the Arc 770 16GB but I couldn't risk instability with my work so I settled for an AMD as my middle of the road solution... plus the sale at the time was just insane and I couldn't find an Nvidia card that came close in terms of price to performance ratio at the time.
We are waiting for Battlemage
no one else other than LMG/LTT is to blame for this whole fiasco
i mean, Linus didn't start Labs to get worse Data into his videos but better data and Labs isn't fully operational just yet.
And he hired a new CEO exactly to improve processes.
It is IRONIC that GN starts popping shots just when the fixes to the problems have been brought on their way... at least i would assume that is Linus' perspective on things.
And until that point i would have said OH WELL SH*T HAPPENS.
...but the Maddison topic, holy shiiiieeee*** F that, time to unsub until that has been properly addressed and made right.
@@ZeroB4NG then why would the LTT employee claim their data is better than GN and HU?
stop excusing their mistakes
@@ZeroB4NG The inaccuracy issue has been a long standing issue in LTT.
@@jesusbarrera6916Not excusing what Tim said, but have you ever been on a date and exaggerated something to make yourself look better? Or been in a job interview and wanted to look good so you stretched the truth a little? I think that's exactly what happened on the Labs tour by someone inexperienced with speaking publicly and not realizing the implications of what their statements might do.
Again, not excusing it....but I have to say that I certainly understand how and why it could have happened.
@@jesusbarrera6916 Facts, that is what started it. GN was chilling and LTT said their name. And the reply was EPIC.
I'm shocked that anyone thinks it's okay for LMG to ask GN to reach out to them first. If you're doing an exposé, the only thing to talk to the subject about is blackmail or bribes. We are all lucky that GN is not the type to engage in any of this. But then Linus is offended that he wasn't given the chance to beg at their feet for them to water down the truth. And then he *publicly admits* he wanted to.
I keep thinking my expectations can't get any lower, but again and again, I am surprised.
I think it was borderline ok in this case not to ask for comment, but ONLY because most of the video was just compiling already public information from published LTT videos. However, general journalistic practice is absolutely to compile the results of your investigation, then boil it down into a few questions that the subject can comment on if they like, and then publish your results together with the response. Arguably the part about billet labs was worth a request for comment, but I can see both sides there since it was only one part of the video.
Either way, this practice has nothing whatsoever to do with blackmail or bribes, that's ridiculous. You naturally gather the info from all sides except the perspective of the subject, and then give the subject a final opportunity to add their perspective and an opportunity to take corrective action before publishing. That doesn't mean you don't publish your piece if they take corrective action.
Why? It's absolutely what reputable news organisations do. They compile their evidence and put it to the defendant for their response (good, bad bs or whatever) to include in their final published article. How many times have you seen stories on massive organisations where the article says *insert company name here* refused to add further comment? It's balanced reporting, going in without a response doesn't show the greatest balance. Any journalist worth their salt should not be swung by any hypothetical blackmail or bribes if they truly believe in what they are publishing and their angle on the story so surely Steve had nothing to lose by including a simple direct quote? I'm not taking side here, I just hope that the tech space becomes more balanced all round.
NO, NO, NO Linus didn't ask hardware unboxed or gamers nexus for permission before he published the video that started all this. The big dumb sidekick at LTT said on camera that their testing was far superior to GN and HUB. There was no oversight, no editing, no notification. He fired the first shot. Gamers Nexus is under NO obligation to be nice. I think he was too nice. LTT needs to be crushed like Bud Light.
@@RossDrum Remember to wipe the foam off your mouth. "The big dumb sidekick" aka random LTT employee being recorded by a random fan getting a tour making not thought out comments. How does that have any relation to how to conduct yourself in investigative reporting? LTT/LMG did so much wrong in this whole saga but half the people here are foaming at the mouth now like anything LTT does MUST be wrong and anything GN does must be RIGHTEOUS and correct. Grasping at straws for anything else to throw at them instead of sticking to the important issues and just seeing whether they get addressed. Absolute cringe.
@@RossDrum How did you work that out? The original video wasn't even posted by an LMG channel, it was MurfsGaming who posted the Labs Tour video, LTT probably first saw the video when everyone else did. It was obviously a stupid comment that shouldn't have ever been made even if Tim believed it himself. This wasn't a traditional scripted and script reviewed piece of LTT's own content read from a teleprompter. I doubt anyone at LMG other than Tim knew he was going to say until it happened. The unknown can't be addressed beforehand. That being said as an LMG representative it shouldn't have been said unless it could have been backed up and obviously the aftermath should have been handled better.
Thank you for putting in your thoughts on the subject. Great Video!
Well, I think the LTT-gate began not last Monday, but at LTX and the following WAN show when Linus made some statements about competitors. GN just said: Let's take a look at you then.
Pretty sure GN said they had been planning for the piece for months, and LMG should've known to expect something like that would come if they don't fix their shit after they themselves proclaimed they're not anyone's buddies, and GN said very clearly that they do now consider LMG just another company.
The saying don't throw stones in glass houses applies here 😆
That wasn't linus but some lab employee during an office tour.
@@emergcon and after the clip went online, Linus doubled down on WAN show, with Luke adding that it was factually correct but poorly phrased.
@@emergcon Only said Linus on the WAN show. What I said: it began at LTX, no that Linus did start it at LTX. But he made it much worst on WAN show.
The fact that Linus didn't warn Bilet or others in advance of a bad review and getting the same treatment by Steve, is priceless.
Well Steve didn't get a warning when he got called out a few years ago. Standard practice lol
@@MrGts92exactly. Linus just wanted special treatment because he's a little snowflake
its different. those companies WERE notified or asked for reviews in advance. steve was just butt hurt over some shmucks random comment. Linus has shown NOTHING but honor for years you people outta be ashamed burning a decent mans career up over such pettiness when theres ACTUAL corruption out there in the world.
@@GyroCannon they all want special treatment. They double down on their mistakes. Remember Steve's response 3/4yrs back?
@@86vibrato you are casually forgetting that every criticism GN directed at LTT is backed up by data from their own videos.
I replayed the intro 25 times and I must say…. You hold your alcohol down very well. By the end of the video you still showed no signs of being intoxicated. Bravo!
Thanks Paul for you kind and thoughtful reporting. I always am looking forward to your videos.
As many have said over and over in this space: It's not whether problems come to light, it's how the companies respond when they do. LMG's responses had been kinda tone deaf. And this really does go back all the way to their larger foray into product sales with the whole "Trust me bro" stuff. I mean it goes back further than that obviously since e.g. the stuff with Madison had already happened by then-but that was when it started coming to a head in a way that it was visible to the outsider.
I hope they are taking this opportunity to really figure some stuff out and make the company better.
What happened with Madison? I only know she left pretty early, nothing else
@@Anankin12She posted on twitter that she was sexually harassed. She provided no evidence, but I have no reason to doubt her. She was extremely excited to work at LMG and then suddenly left and wouldn’t talk about it. The behavior fits SH/SA, to a T.
Hopefully she has proof and goes to police or a lawyer.
@@downrangefuture6493I would not come to any conclusion till an independant audit of the situation comes out. It is so easy today to project your feelings and accuse somebody. Being politically correct is different from truth. If the report comes out in favor of Madison, Then LMG and it is deemed as a failure to manage the situation, the courst should be involved.
@@gamernerd7139Yea, its so odd to me how quick people are to get up in arms over accusations and things that can be attributed to "shit happens". These screaming internet hippies are likely causing all kinds of stress and pain to everyone involved, and somehow IM the misanthrope...
@@Anankin12 She posted that there was some sexual harassment and that this combined with the grind culture, lack of downtime, and mockery of even taking a sick day was just too much for her, leading even to self-harm before she left.
Another former employee who left the company under generally more favorable circumstances has since corroborated what she said-it wasn't a good environment, she wasn't treated well, and kinda anyone who should've been in a position to look into this kind of problem was too caught up in the grind themselves to do anything constructive about it all.
I mean, who knows how much actually bad happened there, and what can an "independent audit" verify now except for that it was a bad situation? I don't think Madison is out for blood or anything (I don't twit, so all I have are second-hand accounts of what she said in her thread) and I don't expect anyone to get fired unless in the hopes of throwing someone under a bus to save the company (which would be bad IMO…)
What needs to be changing at the company is hopefully already underway without waiting for any investigation to figure how badly anyone f**ked up with Madison, because we already know stuff happened that shouldn't have as a result of there being a total lack of things that should've been in place years ago to prevent these kinds of things from happening in the first place.
What a week for the tech news.
in that the news had nothing to do with technology.
Thanks for a calm and reasoned overview. It's appreciated.
I think you're safe, so long as you don't suddenly grow your enterprise to bring in a bunch of new folks, triple your release schedule without including any quality control, and then start ignoring your experienced staff when they bring up their dissatisfaction with the way things are headed. And if you do, don't leave it all clearly visible in your channel history for anyone to cite with context.
LTT has more quality control than 90% of other tech youtubers. All of these guys are throwing stones at glass houses.
@@TheGoncas2 100% S**cide for any channel speaking on this! Linus was and always will be the entertainer who did product reviews and also did a few tests of what the showcased.
These idiot forced LTT and LABS to now not only "showcase" a product but to also produce THE HIGHEST of standards for simple quick entertaining videos that SHOWCASE a product.... and in doing so have destroyed the very thing they were only good for.. Some accurate graphs lmao
The comedy writes itself
Now everyone, ALL of GN's Fans, all of Jays fans, all of the Techtubers fans, ALL of them now know...
LTT and LABS is about to spit out some of the HIGHEST of quality tests and findings to ever hit youtube and they have MILLIONS of expendable dollars to do so! Infact they already have a massive head start on everyone and judging by todays video. Linus is not f**king around...
These guys went after a beast of a channel that is run by a wildly successful and competent individual who is unmatched in the TechTuber space, literally unmatched in the space. They are done for and judging by todays video. Linus seems VERY motivated by these attacks towards his company
@@TheGoncas2 Clearly, that quality control was showing when they starting making occasional testing errors (despite priding themselves on being so thorough as you echo).
I don't even drink alcohol, but after this week, I will join you. Cheers.
GN was not lying when they said they would have to treat LMG/ LTT like the big business they are. All GN did was present the facts and situation and although it is awkward it was the right thing to do. Many many people make purchasing decisions based on those benchmarks so they need to be accurate or what’s the point? Did not know about the Madison stuff. That really sucks. Well summarized Paul.
Just FYI, BL’s original email to LMG paints a different picture the their description to Steve. If it’s true, just confirms that Steve/GN are not “journalists” beyond hardware reviews.
it's bothering how numb we were over LTT's type of content because i also had a feeling of annoyance over LTT over the years but couldn't exactly point out why. then GN pointed out how they usually fix mistakes with the "*" THROUGH CAPTION, indicating that they realized mistakes were made AFTER FILMING and edited it in the captions instead of reshooting. it was becoming way too frequent that i rolled my eyes when i'd see those and just stopped watching until algorithm hit my feed again with semi-interesting titles like "WISH PC BUILD"
@@chrispbacon__ A minor detail that ultimately doesn't change the fact that LTT agreed to send the hardware back but auctioned it off anyway. You dismissing all information because of a minute detail betrays your LTT loyalties.
@@chrispbacon__very much this. Some stuff was justified especially the mouse. Billet Labs on the other hand was omitting details and GN fucked that one harder up than LTT unfortunately the ship has already sailed at that point
@@JasperSchwinghammer Initial communications didn't agree on sending it back, follow-up emails they did agree to send it back. Using this as a gotcha is just ignoring the fact that LTT ultimately did agree to send it back but didn't.
I had already poured an adult beverage when i opened this and saw the intro. So I poured another. You fixed my Sunday in 25 seconds. Cheers!
6:50 i think one more extremly astonishing fact is, at first, they released the Apology video ONLY on floatplane, to their paying subscribers
anyway thanks for the video. I have watched many today covering the subject and so far you are one of few who went into detail and actually got his facts right about timeline of events and overall what happend - simply well done video!!
I feel sorry for all the guys who moved to Canada to work for LTT only to get the boot.
Seriously? Has Linus been laying off employees?? Sorry I haven't been following the soap. I unsubbed from LTT months back because all they were doing was test driving super expensive equipment that most can never afford or have no use whatsoever for home use. The made guys among us can have a blast but most of us have to save money for a while to even be able buy something we want. The tests of the more mundane hardware are what matter most because that's what is sold the most. GN is much, much more informative as far as that goes.
Hehe, boot
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Gamers Nexus helped me a lot in my actual hardware buying decisions IRL more than LTT. Unsubbing from LTT was one of the best choices I've made in my life.
Whadda ya know aboot the boot? LOL
The only guys I feel bad for.
I’m following most of the tech reviewers/ UA-camrs and none of them have ever said that they are better than anyone. So let’s not forget that LTT started it by saying that they are better than GN and HU.
I'd like to point out that most of these outfits are made up of just a few people. LTT is 120+ people. Importantly, Linus did not say the thing about being better, it was one of the newer employees. The employee should not have said that for sure, but it's a bit harder to keep everything tight knit when you're that size.
@@kaldo8907 Yes of course. But this the problem with corporates. Any comment from it's employees reflects on the corporate itself. Same as what happened with Corsair, MSI ... etc. And I agree with you that the problem should be directed to LTT or LMG not Linus himself.
Why do people worship GN and HU so much? They are small channels so they need to be worshipped? Screw big channels amirite?
@@Freestyle80 Not worshipping. And they have to be held accountable. And personally, I sometimes disagree with their opinions regarding some GPUs or CPUs when it comes to buying recommendations. The idea is that a company "bad mouthed" another with no basis. I wish LTT elaborated more on their criticism to GN and HU for our benefit as viewers and consumers of their content.
@@almansour_82 linus didn't make any derogitory statement about GN, not even on the WAN show; he was just proud of how well labs were progressing. Like even colin said, most errors were caught, and most of the ones Steve complained about, had a correction pinned at the top or in the video itself.
It was a graph issue, their data was fine; and like Hardware Unboxed said in their defense; their conclusions usually lined up similar to other outlets.
So the person responsible for taking the data, and putting on a graph was missing some things and the editors weren't catching it before it went live.
It's an extremely small issue; because it didn't effect their data, which is what the writers went from, whereas the editors had to deal with the graphs and the inaccurate numbers given.
It seems billet was somewhat lying in it's responses to all of this; since we got to see the emails between them. Including the one where BL told LTT to keep the prototype, but then wanted it back after it got a bad review, something got screwed up and it ended up auctioned; kind of a big screw up but they were going to compensate billet; but billet apparantly has been telling people it was irreplacable...until it was shown they had originally told LTT to keep it, meaning they could build another.
When Linus finally got ahold of the buyer, that person offered to send it back, but Billet said no, and wanted the money.
Something shady going on there IMO.
The Madison thing is huge; but little to zero evidence given and after what happened to Kwite, i'm done jumping on the internet hate machine and waiting until something actually proves an issue rather than a twitter post.
massive props for calling out the filth that treated madison that way.
I always enjoy your take on things. The combination of wit and humor is unmatched.
For GPU and CPU review, i always go with both steve. GN and HUB.
They're the gold standard for hardware review.
The last straw for steve GN* was may be from LTT crew saying they are superior compared to both of steve's.
Like what do u expect. Steve will do his research like a mad scientist to bring anything to the light.
which is funny when steve did their computer diag challange he finnished within the time frame yet when ltt did the same challange they failed to complete it within an acceptable timeframe further proveing steve is actually better at the job than they are, also as for reviews ltt in my opinion is more an entertainment channel ive never watched any of their videos for actual information where as GN reviews are very data driven and done in a very transparent open way which makes them alot more trustworthy
Yes, GN and HUB are all you need to form your own opinion on the products.
It was ONE employee. Linus himself said time and time again that GN and HU were the gold standard that they were trying to reach. Trying to put a one employee phrase as a company stand is really bad.
@@pedro4205 well, that employee should know better who's the gold standard if they're in hardware review journalist.
Saying that on record is personally attacking the man who has superior knowledge and expertise in this field.
Like steve said on LMG there's little to no oversight now on the contents QC. Not only they blatantly abuse billet labs and disrespect them until steve put LMG on the blast.
Linus need to get realty check.
@@pedro4205 Linus defended that position though, so it is the opinion of the company.
It would be hilarious if Intel ends up showing AMD how its done in the GPU market!
Intel has better technologies.
Intel XeSS >>>> fsr
Intel were beating AMD from the late 80's right through to the Athlon at the end of the 90's. They then handed AMD their ass again with Conroe + Core 2 Duo, and the Core series. It wasn't until recently when Zen launched that AMD took the processing crown back from Intel, and right now it seems to be about neck and neck in terms of IPC, although AMD are obviously winning in terms of value for money.
Thank you very much for your non-drama summarization of things. Yours has been the only review on LTT/LMG's current status I bothered to listen to all the way through. 🍻
This is one of the best takes I have seen on the blowup. Well done, Paul.
Agreed! Just a summery without adding any drama. Well done!
So considering that Linus has had to "step back, take a deep breath, gain some perspective, and do better" so many times, has he ACTUALLY done better, or just claimed to do better? The non-apology where Linus deflects as it's what he does best, Luke throws in unnecessary sexual innuendo to a non-apology, they plug their merch, and everyone is laughing about the issue none of them take seriously, has a very different tone than the genuine apology from Linus just a couple of years ago to Tim Sweeney, or Jay's apology on the 4060 Ti review. Those are genuine. LTT's latest is not.
All they care about is making money that is very obvious.
because this whole thing is a storm in a teacup. They'll be back, with some small changes so they can point to, and then in a month or two it'll be BAU.
tbh. hiring a CEO IS doing better than before
It wasn't an apology. It was a PR stunt to try and retain the "causal" audience that barely knows whats going on.
@@Chaotic_H3LL nah in that case they would've kept production running
Intel’s growth in the GPU space has been amazing. They poured millions to get into the market and I am thrilled to watch them improve.
Me too, I surly prayed they would get it right and shut down the greedy dualopoly we have now.
@@robsdeviceunknownwait, you are hopeful a greedy multibillion dollar corporation is going to shutdown other greedy corporations?!
I hope this would make AMD wake up and be better and go after NVidia , which in return would wake up NVidia again like in ATI times, but it feels like a fairy tale in this wild corporate world.
@@DagobertX2I hope AMD quits the GPU market. We would get better and more AMD CPUs, AMD would make way more money by allocating those resources in the data centre and the consumers would get what they always want, Nvidia. Consumers would also in turn learn a series lesson of making logical purchase decisions which GPU consumers are notorious to not make even today with 3050 outselling 6600 while being 40% slower and more expensive, this is ofc just one of many examples.
@@yellowflash511 You would give Nvidia a near complete monopoly on gpus ? Without competition the flagship they'd sell would be equivalent to a 1030. They'd argue that upscaling makes up for its anemic performance.
Ran the intro back to crack a beer open with you. Cheers!
Thoughts on 4060ti 8gb? Was going to get 3060ti 8gb but it was sold out.
I actually feel sorry for Luke in all this LTT drama. Especially on the WAN show you could always see how Luke struggled to keep the Linus horse at bay. A good example is the WAN episode where Linus goes full 'trust me bro' mode while a piece of Luke dies inside. Now with this same apology video, the last person I expected to see was Luke, yet he's there apologisiing for stuff nobody from the audience would notice or care (inventory, lol).
Luke apologized for not keeping Linus on a tighter leash. I think his addition to that sad excuse of an "apology" video was the best part. He gave the most there, saying that Linus is unhinged and needs to be held back from his bad takes sometimes. Sure he shouldn't need to be the one to do it, Linus is a grown man he should know when to step back on his ego, but I'm glad he was included just to show how scummy Linus has become.
What a kindergarten ... this is all just lip service for now ...
And for the most part ignoring the issues at hand ...
But who cares, this is an industry and highly manipulative no matter what ... almost or awguably 100% tech propaganda ...
But a good thing it came up like this ... makes it easier to forgo =)
Inventory (lol) is part of what caused the waterblock issue.
It's true Luke usually acts as a "disaster" mitigator during WAN, with things like hard r and what not.
@@xplicitfishin Luke wasn't part of the LGM when that went down. He only recently returned to LGM after his stint at another venture. Even then, he's not part of the production team so he wouldn't be expected to chase after every product used in every video more than 12 months ago.
@@luminatrixfanfiction You mean Linus Media Group, LMG. And Luke worked for Floatplane, which is a subsidiary of LMG; he just made a sideways move into the LMG hiearachy
Man I want Intel gpus to kick ass. Ive only bought used for years now and it'd be nice to buy a new card with warranty support if it was priced with sanity.
Cant say I've ever been a big fan of intel either....CPU's overpriced for years because AMD was not competitive, that is until Ryzen came along.
@@topmech71 A third competitor in the GPU market can only be good to break the duopoly .. even if it is Intel
PLEASE look into the GPU busy software feature!! That seems like a very helpful tool for diagnostics and system tuning!
Remember, this all started when one of LTT peeps said something about "their real tests" vs gamer nexus, not verbatim - but LTT decided to shoot first and ask questions later, well they shot like a storm trooper, so GN responded in kind- unfortunately, they (LTT) messed with the bull and got the horns.
Like other Hardware News channels who are posting about this, you are missing the actual story of how it started. LLT labs people were trashing the validity of GN and Hardware unboxed' testing methodology and claiming that LTT was in fact superior with their results and procedures, and it was caught on video and shared to the world. Linus followed up in a following WAN show episode, telling everyone that he stood by the comments and that LTT was superior. GN Steve's video was actually a very accurate response with all of the receipts that in fact Linus' assertion was wrong in every way. It seems everyone doing videos about this, likes to blame Steve or at least assert that he was at fault for kicking everything off but in fact this was 100% Linus' own doing and his ego and mouthing off (which is pretty standard these days) put him in this position in the first place.
And Linus just played that off with what his employee said, like it was no big deal.
Thank you for pointing this out - a lot of people miss that.
I think an important point to keep in mind is that LTT is the one who "started it" in one of their videos calling out GN specifically as one of the groups that LTT did better testing than. It's not like GN just randomly decided to call out LTT and do a hit piece. LTT impugned GN in order to boost themselves and GN simply responded with the usual well researched and documented points against LTT.
fair point but there's a BIG difference between throwing shade at someone and dropping a nuke on someone. even Paul is like please email me first if you have issue with my content. Let me be clear I DONT like Linus, %90 of the time his response to backlash from the community is "i'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion" he has his issues. But I don't in anyway think they deserved this. Personally the response from Steve felt overdone. it's like he took it personal and decided to go the nuclear route.
but who know's maybe this is the wake up call Linus needed to make him realize he's going down a path he should reconsider going down.
100 percent this. If I was that engineer, I'd be getting my resume together.
Man, I leave for vacation for a week and LMG falls apart. Thanks for the recap. First I'm hearing of it.
Thanks for recapping LTT cuz I didn’t know WHAT the heck was going on
It wasn't just Madison's accusations that added fuel to the fire, it was also their own "apology" video which released first on floatplane so behind a paywall, then on yt it was monetized at first and only demonetized after backlash, it contained people clearly reading from the teleprompter like robots, it contained a 69 joke, and the worst of them all their mentioning of cutting to sponsors 2 times then advertising their store and dangling their overpriced screwdriver with new colors plus their apology was basically sorry we got caught, not that we missed up.
It just made the whole thing worse and showed just how disconnected they are.
I still don't know what "6 9's.." is even supposed to mean.
@@satekeeper It's referring to uptime for IT infrastructure - 99.9999% uptime. Or in other words in any given year having at most a single hour where you experience some kind of outage in your infrastructure.
ahhhh I got it. Thanks heh. @@t_z1030
And what about Anthony, i saw him evolve from a serious quiet type straight to the same clownesque behaviour that Linus loves to show. That company is not healthy imo.
@@t_z1030 Isn't 6 9s actually 30 seconds in a year? Which is level of traditional telecommunication. And pretty much no one else.
This all started when LTT claimed that their Labs were going to be the greatest thing since slice bread
Then an LTT Employee made a comment on a live stream crowing how their testing was going to be superior to two companies, GN and HWU that have almost 30 years experience combined. Which rightly pissed both of them off. You're calling into question the things they've done for their professional life.
And then Linus on the WAN Show doubled down and didn't apologies for it.
So Steve made the video calling it out.
The Maddison thing, the Billet Labs things aside. The one thing that is being missed in the sauce is that LTT have been KNOWINGLY putting out incorrect and bad data for months.
They have proven that they cannot be trusted as a data source or review source. IT's one thing to make 'Mistakes', it's another not to bother with not only checking for mistakes but refusing to properly edit them.
LTT forever will be a fart jokes tech based entertainment channel to not be taken seriously. And I'll still watch them goof off. But when it comes to any sort of product review, they clearly aren't interested in accuracy and proper information for their viewers.
Also the level of some errors. Like 4x performance between generations. That is something so amazing it would change the whole video. But seemingly it can easily pass through. Those kind of errors just show that there is not either enough skill/experience in production pipeline or they do not just care enough of their viewers as company.
LTT's claims about the new lab didn't start all this. That was what caused the Twitter response from HUB and led to a "I'm sorry about this but we have point too" sequence (the usual Linus style) on the WAN show. GN's work would have required more time to prepare such content which was also mentioned by Steve on that video as it has been a long time coming. Besides I don't think GN Steve would be motivated to do all this just because LTT made a false comment about their testing methods.
@@shakrooph LTT's claims about the new lab absolutely started all this. Timeline as we can publicly see it goes like this:
1. LMG makes stupid, inappropriate, and incorrect comments attacking GN and HUB in a tour video
2. HUB Steve responds on Twitter, GN Steve was going to leave it alone
3. Linus doubles down on WAN Show, and also unprofessionally whines about GN being unprofessional while not being professional enough to mention GN
4. GN Steve responds with the video showcasing all the ways LMG has been unprofessional and producing bad data
Without LMG's stupid tour comments, none of the rest of this happens - HUB Steve has nothing to respond to, Linus has nothing to double down on, GN Steve has nothing to respond to. It's all because of LMG's initial comments.
We have a huge non profit organisation in Germany that does all sorts of testing consumer products. No conflict of interest there. Their tests are realy complicated simulating a lifetime of use.
They are around for like ever. The Lab is nothing new.
@@mjc0961 that public timeline is correct for the release of the videos/responses, but GN's video was being prepared before that. GN Steve said as much himself. LTT's responses may have escalated things for GN's production but it's certain at this point that GN was going to drop a video about the ethics of LTT. If nothing else, it's easy to see how much time GN's LTT video would have required to prepare and would not be something rushed just to respond to LTT
I love your perspective and purview of all of this.
I, for one, welcome the new champion of tech news, Paul's Tech Tips!
I hope you, Kyle and all the other SoCal tech people are being safe in this tropical storm.
not as bad the news made it to be.
I hope that Cali break off and float out in the Pacific ocean.
Pray Steve doesn't nuke em all. The pettiness man he was salty about that comment good greif
@@voodoouttThe storm ended up moving through socal overland from Mexico so I bet that helped weaken it some by the time it got here. The reason it was newsworthy really was the fact that it started as a hurricane and that it was a tropical storm during the summer dry season. California definitely has had worse regular storms during the rainy season.
@@disguiseddv8ant486agreed
see what happens you mess with not one but two Steve's? You cannot mess with Steve number 2 and not expect Steve number 1 to retaliate XD
Personally, all those review errors I could tolerate but what happened to Billet Labs was absolutely disgusting. And the allegations that Madison outline is not really hard to imagine. Out of all her accusations, only 2 things i would consider hearsay.
Anybody watching the WAN show, you could see how arrogant sometimes Linus can be. "I won't spend $500" to do a re-test properly or devote resources for a product (something he didn't like) is just down right wrong. I mean, isn't it your Job description and you can't do it right?
Considering how openly abusive Linus has been towards his audience, I believe every word Madison said about any psychological abuse - Linus screaming at employees, being denied a notebook because they have lined paper, being given way too much work and told her time management sucks, etc.
The sexual abuse and assault is a whole new level of scumbaggery, and I'm not so inclined to immediately believe it, but I'm certainly not going to dismiss it either.
@@mjc0961yeah most of the stuff is definitely true however the SA allegations and especially the “i cut my leg open so i can get a sick day” seem weird and out of place,l
@@Davinmk I've always seen Madison as a weak character and a little bit of a push over (at least from what i can vibe from her) so this is not too far fetch from being real. That being said, we got no proof of this. maybe there's a hospital record somewhere.
Now there are two of them.
One thing people get wrong, BILLET LABS SAID IN AN EMAIL THEY DIDN"T EXPECT THE PROTOTYPE BACK ASSUMING LINUS WOULD USE IT FOR A BUILD. It was only after they asked for it back. Then an LTT employee tried to reply but didn't reply all with Billet labs as a recepient in the email reply. This is why they didn't get theh emails back for so long, a mistake.
Considering all this, I can see a LTT employee getting the prototype and putting it for the charity auction. LTT isn't the devil.
Excellent debrief on the entire LTT saga. I missed most of the details because you know, who has time to keep up with all that drama.
did you get that glass from craft computing?
I love your news anchor skills and the amazingly chill vibe of the show... Love to watch the news this way.
Lol remember when Linus said Steve should have calledhim but Linus didn't call billet labs? Uhh, the irony of it all.
I can't fathom why people are mad about Steve not calling Linus.
Linus got 100% what he deserved. Linus had the audacity to remark on GN's practices in his "bough a new lab" video.
Linus didn't do what I get shit for doing at work when it is important: trust but verify. They did "reach out", but forgot to include Billet Labs so the "outreach" was only within LMG.
People call me paranoid when I try to verify what has happened but I have learned from experience that processes might be useful but the humans in them manages to fail in very imaginable ways.
@ap3b0y not it. You're referring to a different thing to what I am. Guess you didn't watch GN's follow-up.
The Linus apology thumbnail with the two puppies got me. 👏👏👏
Thank you for giving a succinct explanation of what is going on over at LTT
9:10 the lesson learned from all this is simply "Do not throw stones from a glass house".
True because LTT started this.
Considering the number of times I thought to myself, "I'm glad I don't work there." when watching an LTT video, I'm completely unsurprised that their workplace is toxic.
That's exactly what I thought. After having seen a few wan shows, I actually thought linus himself had a repulsive personality. He can come across as being very arrogant. And as for his company? At a 90% male to female employee ratio, it's no wonder that the whole enterprise reeks of being a boys club, with all the infantile and immature behaviour you'd expect from that.
Thanks for the time stamps. Particularity useful this week ;-)
Paul, love your content because you have your own style, your own focus and give our community exactly that scratch on the backs we all need. Linus had done this over all these years until I found out he was deceptive for a long time because of pushing content quickly. I was so bummed but have Steve to continue pushing his detailed analysis he's known for.
You need a 'buy me a beer' button 😊Back in the 80s my mates at Melbourne Uni wrote computer graphics library that was freeware. Distributed on ACSNET, ARPANET, etc. The software was freeware but they wrote a BEERWARE statement in the copywrite dialogue. If you found the software useful, consider sending beer to... They had many cases of beer delivered from universities and research labs all over the world.
They had a lab of 30 Sun workstations they networked and could render (ray trace) 1 hi res image a night - the 'good old days'...
Those sound like some badass fun times indeed.
Sounds like heaven
I miss the 90’s and my pentium II with 2 10k rpm scsi drives. Where we had to boot off my floppy A: drive and then had to type setup.exe - the good ole’ days. #IOMEGAZIPDRIVE
The issue for LTT is that we all trust Steve. I myself gave up subscribing to LTT a couple of years ago as I was bored with their content and i felt they were industry representatives trying to dictate specs few of us can afford. Steve and you Paul are the only tech guys I care for. I too have no malice towards LTT and hope they gain the trust of their audience.
I also (with a grain of salt) have JTC into my mix of tech news.
Ditto on J2C. Consider checking out Dawid. His focus is different than Paul or Jay. Kinda more everyman and sometimes enjoyably absurd.
Hmmm, a bit of Craft Computing with the beer opening.
Wow! At around 8:25 I was actually shocked by your strong response. Good for you!
As for Intel, I've got an A770 LE and think it's a fantastic value card. I have high hopes for Battlemage.
That's what happens when someone has proper morals and is not afraid of twitter.
It has been some time since I followed LTT simply because the hype took over. They started flowing away from being unbiased to being a product placement platform and lastly; we-just-publish-without-thinking.
Dont forget female LTT employees need to twerk for the 100 million dollar company! Yikes!
@@CookieManCookies
Toxic work environment for women where the majority of workers are male nerds and the upper management doesn't give much fuck about it.
It's not that surprising.
Yep, LTT are sloppy and avoiding their spam is hard as they keep creating new channels
Don't forget the "selling overpriced merch" aspect ;)
@@CandyMan2001this, all while they were getting paid multiple thousands for each of those “Intel sponsored builds”
That was obviously going to completely destroy their entire objectivity, and destroy any semblance of reliability in their testing
Who the heck would get a 5k setup, then paid likely 20k separately, then give Intel a bad review, leaving a chance to lose that cash flow
Linus playbook for handling criticism:
1: Ignore, deflect and gaslight.
2: Make non-apology or weak apology.
3: Go on WAN show or elsewhere and make comments playing things down and acting like everyone else was being silly really, and you shouldn't have been treated like that ("Oh poor me.")
Linus always followed this playbook, he just had tons of good will with viewers established, which he was expending each time. However at this point the company has grown too large, he has done it too many times over a short period, and LMG have gotten a little to high on their own supply by pretending that they are the "best" at making serious reviews, especially egregious when they have always hidden behind "we are entertainment" when they messed up before. Basically they have been caught pulling a Fox News and both declaring "we are entertainment, so we don't have to care about accuracy" and "we are the only real trustworthy source around," both can't be true.
I really can't understate how much I appreciate Steve calling Linus out on the gaslighting. Linus has been doing crap like that for a long time, and it's about time he started getting called out for being so manipulative. Ideally Linus recognizes that he needs help and gets it, and if not at least hopefully everyone else begins to see through him and he can't get away with it anymore.
The only problem with your statement is talking about Fox News...All of them do the same exact thing but it's (D)ifferent for them. I know why you did it but they are all guilty as the day is long.
Even the newest apology was weak, he still came off as "poor me" while making excuses.
Refreshing, good job Paul~
It didn't start with GN, someone at LTT called out GN and Hardware Unboxed by saying they don't test properly.
To Paul and Editor Joe,
I appreciate these Sunday Afternoon (from where I'm from anyway) Tech News videos as they get me up to speed what happened in the world of tech within a week. For a while I watched these while going on long walks and I find it funny that I'm getting up to speed on news while moving haha.
The mention of the timestamps at the begnning of this vid was appreicated as I use it as a guide to know what's the next topic, but I don't use it to skip as I like these Tech News vids and watch the whole thing.
The captions are also appreciated and had very minimal if no errors typically unlike a lot of videos from bigger content creators I watch. While I'm not of hard hearing or anything watching subtitled content over the years has just me used to seeing them in videos. It's probably LGR, Technology Connections, and your videos that I like keeping the captions on as they're good and accurate to what is said in the video.
Thank you and I will be back to watch your next tech news vid next week.
I might wait for the 2nd or 3rd gen Arc GPUs before I even consider them as a viable option so there's time for drivers to mature.
Yes it was intentional that I didn't react to any of the LMG stuff mentioned. I'm waiting for stuff to settle down before binging the relevant videos at some point when I have the time and so I can watch them in one swoop.
A brief summary was appreciated about that and I've seen some stuff you mentioned on the internet.
LTT started it by inferring Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed was giving lower quality reviews and using inferior test methods. You kind of left that out. You getting a video now!
It started far longer ago than that. 'Trust me bro'.
Love watching your vids... No drama just info and you have fun with it!!! keep it up my friend! tell Kyle hi! lol
I saw this coming since June-November 2020, but never expected it to be THIS bad.
9:04 He won't for the same reason he didn't for Linus, he doesn't want companies deleting all evidence and preparing a statement in advance like has happened before.
The rushed, inaccurate, and borderline gaslighting (we sent them and email, but not to them?) replies from LTT seem to confirm it would have been low value at best.
LMG isn't a tech UA-cam company anymore. They're a content mill that uses meh-tier videos to generate merch sales. The consequences of Linus' ego finally came to the surface. Hopefully Terran will be less of an abusive slave driver to the employees
I always thought Linus was pretty cringe but this past week makes me realize what he’s really like
They were never a tech UA-cam company, they were always an entertainment company that specializes in tech. LTT fanboys and LTT haters are the worst people on the internet. As for Linus he has always been the same he loves putting his foot in his mouth, so for you to say that his ego finally came to the surface is kind of disingenuous.
@@someone28if you really believe they are the worst the internet offers you should stop using the internet now to protect your sweet innocence. Compared to the internet they are puppies and kittens playing together nicely.
@@someone28lol GNs and hardware unboxed d riders are wayyyy worse than "ltt" fans
@@mikeymaiku HU not so much. But GN is becoming a cult. I saw people saying that "Steve must be protected at all costs", this is becoming ridiculous.
I don't remember when this was but I remember when show clip where Linus said he felt like if ltte had a union you would have failed as a boss. I always felt a bit weird about this clip but it wasn't until recently that really kind of showed itself
New to your Channel; great vid… now Subscribed!! 👍👍👍