I actually like a lot of their stuff and wanted to get a few things, but I never get anything because of the large dragons. They just don't go with what I picture in a build and peripherals
@@gymnastchannel7372 I have a history with ASUS going back decades. I have an ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 running a 2500k right now in an old media server PC. And I have a relationship with MSI. I have had to replace 4 MSI boards, never one from ASUS. Should I throw that out because SOMEONE ELSE had a problem? Nobody is THAT stupid, are you?
I like videos like this. Can I afford one, no, but that doesn't mean I can't have a look. It's like if somebody is test driving an Aston Martin, I can't afford one but I can still have a bloody good gander ...
I have an Aussie buddy. He tried to explain to me once why everything costs so much over there. I don't get it. Is it a Us dollar for dollar exchange rate, or do you guys just have a completely different monetary system.?? Is like one dollar US 50 cents over there.??
@@KaosII1968 Closer to 65 cents at the moment. There are lots of factors. Australia has high import tariffs, intended to protect local industries. It's a smaller market, with less price competition than in the US. Labour costs are probably a large part of the difference, as well-minimum wage there is over $24.
I recommend the MSI X670E Meg Ace the model just "under" the godlike (but not really) it's one of the rare if not only motherboard who has 10Gbit ethernet + 4 useable M.2 slots and PCIE ports that DO NOT SHARE BANDWITH (you lose some but only on the 3rd pcie port only a problem if you wanted to use the m.2 extender card on it) plus 6 sata ports that also work, at launch when I bought the meg ace in 2022 it was unuseable the bios crashed and froze ! but....MSI cleaned their act and 25 bios updates later (for real) it ran perfectly fine day1 with 2x6200Mhz corsair dominator DDR5, unless you really need X870E for some reason I would wait several bios updates before buying MSI...I waited 2 years for it to work (went back to it when my 13900k burned)
I totally agree. I have the Ace too. It's an excellent AM5 motherboard though yes, it still cost a lot of money, but I always, always run my systems (and components) for as many years as possible. I don't use HDD's any more (apart from portable backup), only SSD's so it's as silent as can be, a welcome change from thrashing HDD's.
are you sure its an OLED panel? the manual says "The DYNAMIC DASHBOARD III, a TFT LCD panel, is located on the EZ BRIDGE" It would be really stupid to use an oled panel for something like that because of burn in.
when i saw the first video on this godlike had the same thought as you regarding asus maximus extreme for intel…its the best looking board i ever saw but oh boy would i be mad if i bought it before 285k reviews went out
Carbon WIFI is enough for me. Waiting to receive it still.
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That screen looks very familiar...and I'm quite surprised we're in this situation given the fact MS is those providing the hardware and bandwidth. Surly a company such as MS would have what is required to handle this kind of load.
Love it, can't afford it (now!) but really love it. InshaAllah will buy it. Thanks to msi for lower price than asus one and thanks to you Tiny tom for a detail review ❤.
Nice board, no doubt. I decided to go with the X870E Carbon WiFi as it fits all my needs for a new MB. Very happy with it, this coming from a very long intel fanboy 🙂
@@ksw8514 No WIFI issues, thats just the full motherboard model. Currently in the Tech press. If you google it you will find people with issues, mainly user error.
Not aware of any issues. I am using this combo but I did use the newer Fast Connect 7800 Microsoft Win 11 24H2 catalog drivers for WiFi and BT. I am also on the latest A17 beta bios and just running DDR5 6000 Expo no overclocking. If you only need 1x GPU and 1x or 2x M2 drives the Tomahawk does everything you need (but Carbon and Godlike definitely look nicer). Wish MSI did an X870E Ace or something as their Intel boards look amazing but they don’t seem to love AMD as much!
Interesting upload, cheers. That M.2 Expander - I have a similar one for my Meg Ace X670e. They work by splitting the first PCIe Gen5 x16 slot into two Gen5 x8 over the two x16 slots. This means the Expander card sees a Gen5 x8 slot, and splits it into two Gen5 x4 slots for use by up to two Gen5 m.2 NVME SSD's. Now, with that said, why couldn't MSI have split that x8 slot into four Gen5 x2 slots...giving us, effectively, four m.2 NVME SSD's, though running at Gen4 speeds? They could have offered this as two user-selectable configurations - two Gen5, or, four Gen4 M.2 slots. Any reason why they couldn't have done this? Interestingly, when I look at this Godlike motherboard, I have to compare it to the sheer number of features and functionality my much 'cheaper' (not so) older TRX40 Threadripper motherboard had. Honestly, ignoring the expected faster Gen5 (from Gen4) PCIe, this Godlike literally pales into comparison, though that was primarily because the TRX40 had much, much more PCIe lanes to play with. Such a shame AMD deliberately EOL'd TRX40 the day it was released. Threadripper 7000, the consumer TRX50 variant, is a complete disaster, lacking motherboards (almost zero compared to TRX40) and most of the extra features found on the TRX40.
That bottom piece that cover SSD but also extra ports is just plain stupid. They should either put horizontal ports on botom as well or keep them acessible without removing cover. Same for opene x4 port, will need to remove that cover to use x8 or x16 card. As it is its half baken for its price.
😅 That seems a bit simple black and white comparison. Price-point should be judged based on value, not elitism or mass purchasability. I agree with the part that you want vendors to push the envelope and that automatically will mean the price point will be high end. But a high price point doesn't automatically mean it's the best. Value for money isn't a linear equation.
Except there is a 3rd way or camp. You take this mobo, you take premiumish version on x870e, compare the performace and maybe even compare the actual cost of prosuction and then we can have a look at the money grab. This is rather silly trend. That most likely is leading to an increase of price of anything below this price range.
A grand and change; but no post code display? Yes, it is gorgeous and I'm severely tempted; but the Tomahawk puts all else to shame bar post code display. Still, that is one of the roles of a halo product: to make the humbler products down the stack look good. That hot swap drive tray is a neat idea. It is a shame they couldn't have designed it so more drives fit in that orientation; M.2 drives aren't exactly humongous in the first place. I like this mobo a lot; but I like to have post codes displayed - especially with AMD; great cpus, but I'm still very wary of random stupid at boot-up. E-ATX and no room for one? Very silly.
Ryzen 9000 does not support CUDIMM. Apparently MSI's X870(E) boards can technically work with CUDIMM kits, but they do this by completely bypassing the clock redriver chip, therefore not taking advantage of the only feature unique to CUDIMM.
Or some of us want a guarantee that every single slot on that board will run at full speed for that kind of money. Im seeing people say that the NVME slots still get split up and slow shit down if you populate them all. Fuck that noise, for over a grand every damned slot should run at full speed, even if you plug the extra card in and fill both of its slots as well. Also, RAM should always run at full scale as well with no issues or profile fuckery.
I'm sorry, but the side ports are just a bad design. Think about it. The board is "E-ATX" (not a real thing), so it's going to be wider than a standard motherboard. Meaning that the cable connectors will have to come out the side of the board adding width even if you go under the board. It's just ugly.
With a 9000 series CPU is there even a way to populate ALL the M.2 slots + expansion card and still have your GPU at x16 and without giving up other PCI slots, SATA ports, USB headers on the back or front?
No, even on the X870E Godlike, M2_2 shares lanes with USB4 ports so if you populate an SSD there you lose USB4 bandwidth and M2_2 is down to x2 lanes. The rest of the M2 slots are part of the crappy chipset daisy chained at x4 Gen4. The expansion card drops your primary GPU slot to x8. AM5 boards you have to buy that WD SN850X 8TB drive because populating the other slots sap bandwidth or bottleneck something else. The Z890 boards have a nicer chipset having x8 to the CPU compared to AM5’s x4. It’s a crying shame the 285K is so bad when the chipset is superior over AM5.
All that hardware...premium cost...and MSI has some of the worst software on the planet lol. Took them almost a year to fix the cpu wmi index error.. ONE YEAR....had to use old versions just to avoid the cpu being slammed with errirs from msi center.
They really need to ease up on the Dragon IMO. They used to have it on a few, now it's on every thing that I want.
I actually like a lot of their stuff and wanted to get a few things, but I never get anything because of the large dragons. They just don't go with what I picture in a build and peripherals
If that dragon on the VRM heatsink was an LCD like the Z890 Asus ROG Maximus Extreme, I would buy it.
Do you guys don't like Skyrim lol?
Just put a blackout sticker on it.
I much prefer the dragon than the MAG tomahawk X870. Previous tomahawk’s looked cool even without the dragon
I hope Asus brings out another Dark Hero AMD board.
You never let me down! Woo mine should be delivered by the end of the week.
Enjoy big spending. I got the x870e carbon wifi. The godlike is a bit steep lol.
I've never been happier to be a 1,000% Team RED AMD fan!
This is the only non-ASUS board I'd ever consider.
Why? Asus has been pretty shady at some points. I would think most folks are more open minded about other brands.
@@gymnastchannel7372 I have a history with ASUS going back decades. I have an ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 running a 2500k right now in an old media server PC. And I have a relationship with MSI. I have had to replace 4 MSI boards, never one from ASUS. Should I throw that out because SOMEONE ELSE had a problem? Nobody is THAT stupid, are you?
@@gymnastchannel7372Rog makes popular highend motherboards
I like videos like this. Can I afford one, no, but that doesn't mean I can't have a look. It's like if somebody is test driving an Aston Martin, I can't afford one but I can still have a bloody good gander ...
Its $2245 in Australia , just saying. Im no hater of the mobo, love your channel mate, cheers for Australia.
Wait till you see those 5090 prices mate.
I have an Aussie buddy. He tried to explain to me once why everything costs so much over there. I don't get it. Is it a Us dollar for dollar exchange rate, or do you guys just have a completely different monetary system.?? Is like one dollar US 50 cents over there.??
@@KaosII1968 Closer to 65 cents at the moment. There are lots of factors. Australia has high import tariffs, intended to protect local industries. It's a smaller market, with less price competition than in the US. Labour costs are probably a large part of the difference, as well-minimum wage there is over $24.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Thank you that was very helpful...
@@auturgicflosculator2183what tariffs are you thinking of?
I recommend the MSI X670E Meg Ace the model just "under" the godlike (but not really) it's one of the rare if not only motherboard who has 10Gbit ethernet + 4 useable M.2 slots and PCIE ports that DO NOT SHARE BANDWITH (you lose some but only on the 3rd pcie port only a problem if you wanted to use the m.2 extender card on it) plus 6 sata ports that also work, at launch when I bought the meg ace in 2022 it was unuseable the bios crashed and froze ! but....MSI cleaned their act and 25 bios updates later (for real) it ran perfectly fine day1 with 2x6200Mhz corsair dominator DDR5, unless you really need X870E for some reason I would wait several bios updates before buying MSI...I waited 2 years for it to work (went back to it when my 13900k burned)
It’s not worth 1000 dollars
I totally agree. I have the Ace too. It's an excellent AM5 motherboard though yes, it still cost a lot of money, but I always, always run my systems (and components) for as many years as possible. I don't use HDD's any more (apart from portable backup), only SSD's so it's as silent as can be, a welcome change from thrashing HDD's.
sadly i think MSI is no longer producing the Ace line.
I too saw the price of the X870E and go f*ck it and bought the X670E Ace as well.
@@linchester8464 Someone made comment on redit that he got reply from MSI that ACE is comming in few weeks.
those side ways connectors are actually really good, hope it gets adopted onto non-stupid products.
Another great video Tom, I have the X670e version. Cheers!
It's a STUNNING board, Thanks for the great review Guv!
For that price it better be. Its simply insane. Even the EVGA Z790 Dark was only 800 usd
Now that is a proper rear io
are you sure its an OLED panel? the manual says "The DYNAMIC DASHBOARD III, a TFT LCD panel, is located on the EZ BRIDGE" It would be really stupid to use an oled panel for something like that because of burn in.
when i saw the first video on this godlike had the same thought as you regarding asus maximus extreme for intel…its the best looking board i ever saw but oh boy would i be mad if i bought it before 285k reviews went out
9:26 The best feature of this motherboard is that you don't need to buy a mirror anymore.
Currently, I have an Asus X670E Crosshair Extreme and I might just have to upgrade it to this board. Thanks!
Carbon WIFI is enough for me. Waiting to receive it still.
That screen looks very familiar...and I'm quite surprised we're in this situation given the fact MS is those providing the hardware and bandwidth. Surly a company such as MS would have what is required to handle this kind of load.
Love it, can't afford it (now!) but really love it. InshaAllah will buy it. Thanks to msi for lower price than asus one and thanks to you Tiny tom for a detail review ❤.
Nice board, no doubt. I decided to go with the X870E Carbon WiFi as it fits all my needs for a new MB. Very happy with it, this coming from a very long intel fanboy 🙂
Unfortunately 2nd pcie-e slot opn carbon only support x4 and whats is even worse its shared with 2nd m.2
I wanted the Taichi, stock was terrible so now I’ve got one of these on the way. Guess I’ll have to get the 5090 to pair with it…
Since when was buying a motherboard an investment?
Can't believe he didn't try 8000 mhz RAM overclock.
This is a well timed review with the MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk Wi-Fi issues with the 9800x3d. Granted these issues so far.. are all user error.
Which wifi issues?
@@ksw8514 No WIFI issues, thats just the full motherboard model. Currently in the Tech press. If you google it you will find people with issues, mainly user error.
Not aware of any issues. I am using this combo but I did use the newer Fast Connect 7800 Microsoft Win 11 24H2 catalog drivers for WiFi and BT. I am also on the latest A17 beta bios and just running DDR5 6000 Expo no overclocking. If you only need 1x GPU and 1x or 2x M2 drives the Tomahawk does everything you need (but Carbon and Godlike definitely look nicer). Wish MSI did an X870E Ace or something as their Intel boards look amazing but they don’t seem to love AMD as much!
Interesting upload, cheers.
That M.2 Expander - I have a similar one for my Meg Ace X670e. They work by splitting the first PCIe Gen5 x16 slot into two Gen5 x8 over the two x16 slots. This means the Expander card sees a Gen5 x8 slot, and splits it into two Gen5 x4 slots for use by up to two Gen5 m.2 NVME SSD's. Now, with that said, why couldn't MSI have split that x8 slot into four Gen5 x2 slots...giving us, effectively, four m.2 NVME SSD's, though running at Gen4 speeds? They could have offered this as two user-selectable configurations - two Gen5, or, four Gen4 M.2 slots. Any reason why they couldn't have done this?
Interestingly, when I look at this Godlike motherboard, I have to compare it to the sheer number of features and functionality my much 'cheaper' (not so) older TRX40 Threadripper motherboard had. Honestly, ignoring the expected faster Gen5 (from Gen4) PCIe, this Godlike literally pales into comparison, though that was primarily because the TRX40 had much, much more PCIe lanes to play with. Such a shame AMD deliberately EOL'd TRX40 the day it was released. Threadripper 7000, the consumer TRX50 variant, is a complete disaster, lacking motherboards (almost zero compared to TRX40) and most of the extra features found on the TRX40.
The left side screen with the bad tattoo ruins the board.
Who wants to stare at a scorpion all day?
That bottom piece that cover SSD but also extra ports is just plain stupid.
They should either put horizontal ports on botom as well or keep them acessible without removing cover.
Same for opene x4 port, will need to remove that cover to use x8 or x16 card.
As it is its half baken for its price.
Please make a mini-itx version of this.
When motherboards cost more than a mortgage payment of two (or three).....things have indeed gone wrong.
Do I really need this motherboard for a 9800X3D or will the pro version be enough? I'm not a heavy overclocker.
Thank you MSI!!!
Doing a build almost exactly like this. Do you have better pictures of it in the lightbase 900?
It’s a beautiful motherboard!!
😅 That seems a bit simple black and white comparison. Price-point should be judged based on value, not elitism or mass purchasability. I agree with the part that you want vendors to push the envelope and that automatically will mean the price point will be high end. But a high price point doesn't automatically mean it's the best. Value for money isn't a linear equation.
These prices are bonkers for motherboard
Except there is a 3rd way or camp. You take this mobo, you take premiumish version on x870e, compare the performace and maybe even compare the actual cost of prosuction and then we can have a look at the money grab. This is rather silly trend. That most likely is leading to an increase of price of anything below this price range.
i'm still on x570 master with a 5900x and 64gb 4000ddr4 lol. last time i upgraded x670 just launched... what cpu socket is x870?!
A grand and change; but no post code display? Yes, it is gorgeous and I'm severely tempted; but the Tomahawk puts all else to shame bar post code display. Still, that is one of the roles of a halo product: to make the humbler products down the stack look good. That hot swap drive tray is a neat idea. It is a shame they couldn't have designed it so more drives fit in that orientation; M.2 drives aren't exactly humongous in the first place. I like this mobo a lot; but I like to have post codes displayed - especially with AMD; great cpus, but I'm still very wary of random stupid at boot-up. E-ATX and no room for one? Very silly.
I dont know why this board is limited ... such a dam shame... dam near 2k on ebay
I didn’t hear if you covered this but can you use CUDIMMS in this motherboard?
Ryzen 9000 does not support CUDIMM. Apparently MSI's X870(E) boards can technically work with CUDIMM kits, but they do this by completely bypassing the clock redriver chip, therefore not taking advantage of the only feature unique to CUDIMM.
@ I see thank you so much. I just looked it up and it said it was compatible so glad you cleared that up for me thank you!
finally thank you
Good value
I really want one for my new build! Does anyone know if it is already available anywhere in the EU?
What a piss take
What’s that mean
Where is the msi ace x870e
you should really hire a camera guy
Not gonna happen thanks to Brexit. They're all poor in the UK now.
£1200 and only two SATA ports? Ill be needing a better board
4 SATA ports.
M.2 cover looks like a not too good for a Gen 5 which gets hot .
Me waiting for the ASUS ROG X870E Extreme Crosshair😭
Me too, but if by CES 2025 no announcement, gold tacky dragon it is.
VERY CLEAN Build.... watching video...
Awesome :)
People that complain about the price are just peasants and should just got play on their consoles. Get a better paying job.
Or some of us want a guarantee that every single slot on that board will run at full speed for that kind of money. Im seeing people say that the NVME slots still get split up and slow shit down if you populate them all. Fuck that noise, for over a grand every damned slot should run at full speed, even if you plug the extra card in and fill both of its slots as well. Also, RAM should always run at full scale as well with no issues or profile fuckery.
Super Premium at Super Price lol.
I'm sorry, but the side ports are just a bad design. Think about it. The board is "E-ATX" (not a real thing), so it's going to be wider than a standard motherboard. Meaning that the cable connectors will have to come out the side of the board adding width even if you go under the board. It's just ugly.
With a 9000 series CPU is there even a way to populate ALL the M.2 slots + expansion card and still have your GPU at x16 and without giving up other PCI slots, SATA ports, USB headers on the back or front?
No, even on the X870E Godlike, M2_2 shares lanes with USB4 ports so if you populate an SSD there you lose USB4 bandwidth and M2_2 is down to x2 lanes. The rest of the M2 slots are part of the crappy chipset daisy chained at x4 Gen4. The expansion card drops your primary GPU slot to x8. AM5 boards you have to buy that WD SN850X 8TB drive because populating the other slots sap bandwidth or bottleneck something else.
The Z890 boards have a nicer chipset having x8 to the CPU compared to AM5’s x4. It’s a crying shame the 285K is so bad when the chipset is superior over AM5.
Of course not. It's a crippled platform. No matter how much money you spend, the CPU and chipset can't do it.
godlike is stupidly big with too much bells and whistles... No ACE no MSI for me.
$1000 and no PS/2 port lol
All that hardware...premium cost...and MSI has some of the worst software on the planet lol. Took them almost a year to fix the cpu wmi index error.. ONE YEAR....had to use old versions just to avoid the cpu being slammed with errirs from msi center.
It looks like a cheap toy.