@@Sonic6293 you kidding right? ask every coder they say they prefer mac os, just because you are an edgelord hosting a nas doesnt mean you are "technical"
@@Donkens really depends on which programmer you are asking. Person developing apps for IOS and mac and person doing webdev using javaShit frameworks? sure. Anything else, Choice is Linux first then windows.
Jay, the Keychron Q series keyboards are gasket mounted which is why you are seeing the flex when pushing down harder on the keys, that is by design and is meant to improve the feel and sound when typing normally.
I've had some gasket mounted keyboards and never felt any improvement on feel over the classic tray mount style. Maybe the force required to flex the PCB varies greatly between keyboard brands/models, but in my keyboards I only flex the PCB if I'm willing to do it (applying much more pressing force than normal). On the other hand, gasket mount improves sound by taking the mounting contact points away from the keys, moving them to the sides and achieving a more consistent sound.
I bought a G915 a few years ago because of your video when you reviewed it. I went to MicroCenter and tried one out and love the way it feels compared to my crappy old one. It's like a mechanical chiclet style key feel sort of, which makes it super easy to transition between using it and using just my work laptop's keyboard when I'm on the go. I find the most useful feature of the G915, though, is being able to seamlessly control 3 different PCs without having to move receivers around. Wired into my gaming PC, wireless receiver in the media PC by the TV, and BlueTooth to my work laptop. The only thing I have to do is either plug/unplug the cable and/or press a button at the top. There may be more expensive, fancier, nicer keys out there, but I'm gonna run this G915 until it dies hah.
Also have it, also love it, but only due to features. I would really prefer something with hot swappable key switches, but good luck finding one that's full-sized, low profile, including a volume wheel and supporting the ISO layout. Personally, I could not find one.
The flex you are mentioning is actually a feature. The goal of this is to reduce the noise output of the keyboard and prevent the bottoming of the keys to resonate in the chassis.
Jay was mentioning sides do much flex than the other parts of the keyboard so the flex is uneven but surely Jay did what he can do to reduce the flex in the sides
@@Markknightexeter he probably didn't notice that it does flex everywhere but to a lesser degree. For example on mine it barely flex in the middle unless I use a lot of force.
It's really not. Keychron makes decent keyboards but the execution of the gasket mount system they use isn't that great. That flex in the corners is a flaw by design. The flex also has more to do with the plate material than the gasket mount. My Q6 came with an aluminum plate. Its firm but still allows some flex. This is the same plate jay has. You can tell by the fact that it's black. A proper gasket mount system will be firmer in the corners and edges and have the most flex in the middle. This can be mitigated with using a different plate material such as Brass for a firmer feel or polycarbonate for even more flex.
19:41 The Keychron Q series comes in 3 versions, the standard Q such as Q6 is wired only, the Q Pro also has BT and the Q Max has BT + 2.4Ghz. Your keyboard is the Q6 Max version.
@@nonnicambo4787 Keychron hasn't released an HE full sized yet. Right now it is the Q1, Q3, Q5 and K2. I have the Q1 and the K2 from the kickstarter(should be delivered Monday)
@ they are great keyboards. I’ve switched mine for a GMMK 3 HE at the moment and really love it. But frankly, glorious software and pricing is just ridiculously bad so I don’t recommend them to anybody. The only reason I even have it is because I was able to get it at less than half price. The Q1 HE is still my go to recommendation and probably what I will switch back to for personal Use here pretty soon.
Jay, usually to connect to VIA you need to download a json file from the manufacturer website. Also I don't know if any one commented this already but Signal software can interfere with VIA if Signal recognizes the keyboard. I had this problem with a VIA compatible keyboard and VIA only worked after entering Signal and disabling the connection of Signal to the keyboard.
I had the exact same issue with my keychron v6 max, and I followed the guide on keychrons website to a T to get it working, including downloading the json and setting it up in the design tab. I like VIA only slightly better than the Keychron launcher because I had some weird issues with macro recording that worked just flawlessly in VIA, but for all other things the launcher is super easy plug and play with a very clean and simple interface. The only other issue is that I can't get it to work over 2.4GHz, but that's the same in VIA.
17:25 South-Facing LEDs are an important feature not because of edge-print legends, but because it orients the key switches in the traditional "correct" direction to avoid the switch housing interfering with Cherry-profile keycaps, one of the most common custom keycap profiles. Cherry-style switches are sloped on what should be the "South" side specifically to nest inside a Cherry-style keycap. North-facing LEDs are often better for shine-through legends, but this orients the keyswitch slope on the wrong side, limiting keycap compatibility.
The south facing LEDs spill light to the eyes when looked at an angle. After trying the OEM and OSA profile key caps, I would rather opt for a North facing LEDs combined with a shine through key caps.
You can find tester sample packs of various companies switch options, typically for about 20 bucks, and that is a great way to figure out what type of switches you like best. Switches can run from $0.10 a switch, up to $2.00 a switch, which gets really expensive if you are kitting out a full 104 keys, so it is important to not regret that decision.
Anecdotally, the reason for "South facing" LEDs vs "North facing" LEDs is because back in the day Cherry style switches had a square ridge on the top (north) side that was designed to fit Cherry style Keycaps, with the LED on the bottom (South) side ... Well, for "North facing" LEDs, they just spin the entire socket 180° so that the LED is on top, which would put that ridge on the south side, and when you went to push a key: the keycap would hit that ridge and not actuate the switch. Modern switches and keycaps have been redesigned so that no longer happens, but there is still a stigma in "the community" about north facing LEDs. Personally, I think it is more of just a pretty rejection of North facing because all of the "gamer" keyboards have shine through RGB and North facing LEDs.
Yes agree with the above comments. The flex is a feature of gasket mount keyboards. However what you notice about consistency in flex throughout the board can be improved in higher end boards. For a stiffer typing feel, and oftentimes for cheaper, you could look for tray mount or top mount keyboards.
@@craigwickham7963honestly I doubt he will. It is something you do need to experience to actually understand. I do not have a Keychron, I have a full custom and my bros has the Keychron Q6. It is extremely close to mine in comparison, and I came from Razor. After experiencing them, Razor, Logitech just feel like Dell prebuilt pc’s compared to Keychron and other custom models.
To use VIA with a Keychron, you would need to download a JSON file for your keyboard from Keychron. But you are not missing out on any features using the Keychron configuration tool. Others have mentioned the gaskets on the Q Max. There other mounting styles that would be stiff, namely top mount or bottom mount. A Neo80 or Neo75 from Qwertykeys would give you more the feel you seem to want. Or a Mode Sonnet or Mode Loop. These are kits, so you would need to supply switches and caps. The Neos are under $200 for the kit, while the Mode are over $300. The Neos are nice. Mode is really nice. You would need a separate number with either option. If you really want a Numberpad, buy a Keychron. But most people who say they want a Numberpad end up not using it.
Numpads tend to be very useful that I wouldn't want to get rid of it. I've ran 60%'s and 75%'s and having to setup and remember layers is really fucking annoying when you need to access particular keys. There are too many games where a numpad is incredibly useful for. Didn't think it was needed either until I've ran into headaches without it.
@@EvilWiffles Numberpads are unergonomic as they push a right-handed mouse too far to the right. And it depends on what games you play that even use the Numberpad. Probably even fewer that could not be rebound.
@@ShadVanDenHul I use the Keychron Q12, numpad is in a great spot for me. I'd rather not deal with reworking keybinds, I'd just rather have my fucking buttons be present from the get-go. It's mostly personal preference but downplaying the numpad importance is really annoying, since I also fell victim to being talked out of numpad keyboards. I rarely touch any keyboards without a numpad now unless I want something more portable. And yes, it depends on the games. If you play more complex games, it's incredibly useful. War Thunder comes to mind for me.
Additionally there is the QK100 from QwertyKeys that has an almost full layout retaining the standard 10key and has a high level of customization at its price for full size aluminum
Buys a $250 keyboard, goes around fixing the defects in it with slapstick job, removes RGB, reducing it to a $10 keyboard, and buys 2 pieces of the same stuff, Gosh, people have a lot of money to waste.
The 100% layout, rgb, low profile, high quality mechanical kb space is so severely lacking. Just tossing this out there. Currently have a Keychron V5 Max. It's okay, but I wish it had a knob and brighter lighting.
Regarding your question about what to update: Lubing the switches lifts this in a whole new category. I did this with my Q6 Pro with Keychron K Pro yellow switches. Also an extra layer of foam and/or a tape mod helps the sound so much. The extra layer of foam also stiffens the flex you mentioned considerably.
Yes. Q6 max here. Jupiter banana switches are factory lubed but it's severely lacking. Just a small swipe up each stem rail. I hand lubed all 108 switches with 205g0 (took 6 hours) and the difference is tremendous. Huge upgrade in feel and sound. Also did tape mod on PCB (3 layers of painters tape) which made the whole thing sound much deeper and more poppy. Also extended the factory force break mod with some carefully cut strips of electrical tape. Last, I tweaked the lube on all stabilizers. These combined turned my q6 max from a 7 to a 9.
V5 and Q5 (non-Pro and non-Max) owner here. I was about to suggest that Jay get a non-Max Keychron board and try a bunch of mods to see how close he can get to a Max version in sound and feel. The video shows the Max already has a bunch of foam and other touches that I had to add myself as mods (foam, etc.) to my V5 boards and Q5. Is there really much more (aside from new/lubed/modded switches or stabilizers) that can be done to really upgrade the Q6 Max?
@@AMD718 Curious how you accomplish these mods if you dont mind. I got the Q6 Max Jupiter too. Looking to make the keys even more deep/thocky. When you say extended the force brak, do you mean added more layers vertically or added more around the existing? And instead of taping the board, would adding more thin foam sheets to the existing foam have the same affect as taping the PCB? Assuming gaffers tape is fine?
@@PPGKyle from some quick searching I'm not sure gaffer's tape would have the same effect as painter's tape. You could try it but, YMMV? Safer bet just to use painter's tape, 3 layers on the back of the PCB. The force break mod was just a matter of adding a few pieces of electrical tape in very small, slender pieces, placed strategically around the fastener points, buffering the contact between the two case halves. Not doubling anything, if that makes sense. Lubing the Jupiter switches is a different and more involved thing. Not really difficult, just time consuming and needing the right tools and prep.
@AMD718 that makes sense and I truly do appreciate the reply. I've been on a "expensive but crappy" Corsair and I was on the fence with the Q6 Max, what a difference dude Do you have the side print keys? I'm not liking having no help seeing the letters in the dark lol
I recently swapped to the V6 with Silent Reds from a store-bought mechanical Logitech with tactiles. The improvement is out of this world. If you haven't tried a proper GOOD keyboard, you're underestimating the gap. If you have, going back just isn't an option. These things are absolutely worth the 100-200 USD they ask for them.
The battery might even be exchangable, but once the battery is dead, I'm sure the industry will have found a way to make this obsolete and you can't buy a new battery for this anymore. I'm so sick of that. I want normal AA batteries.
@@mainsource8030 Of course. I would expect that. But I haven't used cabled keyboards in decades and I don't want to. I bought expensive keyboards and that junk kept breaking, which is why I find the "garbage" so fitting. Now I use a "cheap" Cherry wireless and that thing will not break. But I still dream of a mechanical keyboard, that fits my needs.
@@profosist Alright. So how likely is it, you will be able to buy AA rechargeables in 15 years and how likely is it, you can buy their "standard" battery then.
@@paulplus3830 see you bring the same argument that PFU does with their Happy Hacking Keyboard. It's not a bad one until you realize that keep Crown has full individually addressable individually let RGB and those Double A's wouldn't last any real amount of time Actually just had a conversation with somebody complaining how short the battery life was on their Keychron. My response was are you using the RGB? Yes, they were. And if you're wondering LEDs can't take that much power. How were back before USB 3 was standard individually lit keyboards and these wouldn't have even been RGB required two USB ports to power them as one port was not enough. Corsair was one of the first to go to a single USB 3 Connection I believe that's when they went with the onboard RGB LEDs.
To be fair, it's like he says, you don't really know what it us you're missing until you try it. I happily used gaming mechanical keyboards for like 8 years before I tried a halfway decent mech board, and I really could not go back now. Not making excuses, but it's a thing.
@Jackofafewtrades nah I genuinely don't believe when someone is able to afford multiple boards, switches, and brands advertises a keyboard likes its the best thing since slice bread. I see something wrong with that. I genuinely don't know the difference between both but if I had a Asus strip scope 2, g915, razer blackwidow v3, steelseries apex pro, and some keychron variant. I could still say my personal choice is best. But literally calling it trash is the problem. It's not garbage. Its quite literally better than a huge majority of it's competitors. It becomes a personal preference problem. That's my issue. Don't advertise something, say you're buying it twice, then ditch it for your new favorite toy while slandering it. You promoted people to buy it. That's not cool.
Agreed. This is a snake oil thing, at best, in my opinion. Hot swap and changing keycaps with a more standard style are great, but that's literally all I can imagine being a direct upgrade from the G915. Kailh makes great switches, and I don't think many people would say Keychron's are outright better. Honestly, I love Jay in a lot of ways, but calling the G915 "garbage" is just objectively incorrect and genuinely negatively affects my trust of the channel.
@@e3super2 NGL... L take. There's a massive difference in feel between something like a gasket-mount mech board and a low-profile gaming keyboard with an integrated plate mount. There's more to a keyboard than switches. I guarantee you Keychron has put a lot more thought into how the keyboard actually sounds and feels than Logitech. Boards like the Logitech sound soulless and hollow, and the typing feel is super stiff, which might sound cool, because "accuracy" and "gaming" but in reality is just shit to type on and leads to all sorts of feedback and an overall bad typing feel. Even gaming keyboard brands like Asus and Wooting are hopping onto the gasket mount/custom-style designs lately, because it is just objectively better.
nice start, to make the corners not bend / flex (something the kb community loves, i do not) you will need to separate the pcb from the top plate and stuff more rigid foam in between - those extra spacers were for the springiness. i have several q6 / q6 pro models, where i fill the bottom of the case with resin + metal balls (2mm, about 5000-6000 of them) to make it much heavier. then stiffen up the space between the pcb and the aluminum plate, replace switches with the drop panda clear lubed, fill the bottoms of the the side print keys with resin, to make those heavier, and put it all together. great stuff! lmk if you'd like some photos / video of my work.
oh i forgot, first thing - the blue tape mod - look it up. essentially, you take blue painter's tape and apply layers to the bottom of the pcb. makes the sound much more thocc-like and more creamy. takes out the clackiness out of the pcb. you could also syringe lube the stabilizers for more creaminess - just don't overlube.
@@endorphinADMIN I did the tape mod and added some automotive sound deadener to the bottom of the case as well as lubing switches and straightening the stabilizers on my Q6. I think I did a few other things as well. Such a fantastic keyboard.
I just did almost exactly the same upgrade! Went from a G910 to a Keycron Q3 HE + Q0. Absolutely loving the change - feels SO much better. I think the flex is intentional, as it avoids finger stress and carpal tunnel. On a lappy, you don't want flex as it means bad build quality, but on a keyboard they do a LOT of engineering to give it a bit of flex. Board is mounted on gaskets, etc.
Bro my wired 915 is super dope. It is anything but garbage. I love it. If your gfriend says “why are you pissed?” from the other room; you’ve got a clicky board.
I remember your follow up vid on the G915, and you loved it. They have made a refresh version the G915X, which addresses all the issues people had with the G915. E.g. the keys going shiney.
17:38 the reason south facing RGB is a good thing is because it allows people to use normal keycap profiles. So it's not style, but function! North facing RGB causes the plastic keycap to contact the switch EVERY TIME you press it, whereas with south facing it functions like normal without hitting the keyswitch. That's why people avoid boards with north facing switches, they are a pain in the ASS
Its only affecting the GMK Cherry profile keycaps not all is affected, I have an Aula f75 and its not showing on my end and switched the swithces to gateron milky yellow and the keycaps are still fine
@@ronskeebs It effected a few sets of mine and i tried changing switches but nothin worked. IFK 808, CTRL semitransparent, and Frontier chemical 001 didn't work with north facing for me. Which really sucked, because i wanted to build the Nuphy Field75 but couldn't cause the keycaps wouldn't work with the switches i set aside
I've never had a keyboard where the keys bottom out with north-facing LEDs, but my one south-facing keyboard I have to keep the LEDs at the lowest setting because otherwise I get blinded every time I look down to reset my hands.
12:40 I love the quick plug for “I fix it” 🎇🎇🎇. Personally, I avoid high cost keyboards, BUT, you did such a great job showing all the positive features on this keyboard that I will put this on my “to get” list. Great work Jay. 👍
I really tried not to comment but i cant Jay, I fully understand that it is your work , i mean you are basically a seller, one that influences others with promoted or not video reviews, among others. But. Please at least respect your own content and praises when it comes to other products. G915 was and still is a great keyboard , one that you praised 4 years ago. You praised its quality, clicky sound, BATTERY LIFE, and connectivity among others. Suddenly, on 2024 and since these kind of custom keyboards are trendy among your fanbase, i assume, the Logitech becomes not obsolete, but plainly a garbage product. Still, no comparisons are made on those G915 features mentioned above. -Is the Keychron BETTER in battery life compared to G915? We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it. You said that "i use it wired". -Is the Keychron BETTER in terms of distance to wireless adapter compared to G915? We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it. -Is the Keychron BETTER in connectivity in general compared to G915? We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it. -Does the Keychron has BETTER features in software and RGB themes etc? We dont KNOW, you said that you didnt care and stick a solid colour..ooookay i get it.. -Is it good for typing?Gaming? How about all those metrics you were mentioning on original G915 review on click distance etc. Is Keychron Better than G915? We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it. So, how this review proves that G915, a premium keyboard from a well known brand, that dont flex like this one and keeps its keycaps on place, unlike this one ( 2 of them ejected while you were typing lol ), is garbage? I could really go on rambling about forever. Long story short, its your channel, your reviews, your opinions and your money. Your source of income. But please respect the fans, the ones than bought the products because of YOUR REVIEWS, respect the products and the people behind the products. This was not a review. It was a libellus. If the title was just a clickbait, well then it served its purpose i suppose. Next time put the reviewed brands name also, not just the bait. Disclaimer : No buttons were ejected, no connectivity issues came up, no battery was drained on my Logitech G 915 keyboard while typing this comment.
"Disclaimer : No buttons were ejected, no connectivity issues came up, no battery was drained on my Logitech G 915 keyboard while typing this comment." - If no battery was drained on your keyboard while writing that, that means it doesn't draw power and hence is infinite, which I highly doubt. If it's powered on in order to type, it's draining power, just maybe not to the level of which you would notice. Hence with this said, I call your disclaimer of this specific part, false and incorrect.
first things first battery life. the q6 max has a 4k mah battery and logitech dose not say how big the 915 is. also keychron advertises 100h with rgb on low where as logi says 30h with rgb at 100% so unless you want to spend a bunch of time testing both out we wont know. i expect the 915 to out perform the keychron in connection distance just from the fact that the q6m is made of aluminum vs the plastic of the logi keychron advertises 1000hz polling on wired and 2.4ghz connection while 90hz on blutooth. the keychron uses via and launch software. via is open source and dose not require to run in the background. you can adjust setting by just going to the website and loading up a json file. logi uses their Ghub software a known resource hog. as for lighting yes the logi will have more lighting options since its a "gamer" keyboard. via is limited on their "rgb" control but its an open source project so if the community wanted to they could implement stuff. as for the typing here is where the keychron shines. its a custom board for a reason. its full metal body offers a sturdy and planted feel while its gasket mounting allows the keys to have a softer "springy" feel if your a heavy typer. now the customizability comes in. if you dont like the way the switches feel, you can just replace them without having to disassemble. just use the included tool to pull the key caps off and pull the switches out and replace them with what you want. also this goes for sound too. the keychron boards are designed to be pulled apart and you can add or remove foam to your liking. want a louder board? remove foam. want a more poppy sound add 2 layers of masking tape to the back of the pcb want your keyboard to be silent just install some silent switches. want your rgb to be brighter install switches with led defusers or replace keycaps with pudding caps. want ultra fast response on the keys you use for gaming? add short travel "speed" switches to those keys. they are designed to give you options without having to buy a whole new board. the via software also offers macro support and multi layers of keys. if logi made a keyboard to the same standards as your average low mid tier custom (keychron is the "good enough" in the custom scene) it would be 500usd. other 'gaming" company's are starting to dip their toes into the custom market (razer and asus) but they still are not there yet. but maybe jay will do a follow up video after he has had some time to use the keychron. or perhaps not. its up to him
@@zomgz932 first of all, thank you for your ultra detailed feedback on product specs and for your polite tone of voice. I need to clarify one thing only , my issue was the usage of the word " garbage" in the click bait title. If the keychron is better or same or worse than the G 915, it is another story - one that Jay didn't cover in this product presentation. Personally I am not into custom keycap keyboards and for the time being I am more than satisfied with Logitech`s offerings in G 915. So, since don't identify as a fanboy , I would honestly had no issues if G 915 underperformed any other similar type keyboards including this one. I just found disturbing , dishonest and unethical the usage of the term "Garbage" when not even bothering to provide a side by side comparison of both mentioned products. What made it even worse to my eyes was the fact that Jay praised intensively G 915 some time ago, leading his fan base towards a purchase decision. So how are we gonna take Jay's words and reviews seriously if he doesn't even honor his own reviews? I will not, for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if few months from now we ll get another click bait title saying " keychron was garbage, X product is now my fav keyboard". I would , sincerely, have the same reaction. In the end of the day, this was just a cheap attempt to bait us into watching the video.
@@theburton8718 i think the reason jay would call the logi garbage is it being its build quality. Its an expensive board that feels like a 50$ amazon board. Hell compare an eppomaker to the logi build wise the eppo wins at nearly all price points. I give logi props on their tech. Their wireless is top tier but i have a royal kludge that feels better than my $100+ logi. Just saying logi needs to up their game or lower prices.
17:32 one thing you have to know about south facing rgb is it's because of the switches orientation. If the switch is in south facing style, the south part of it is actually the softly angled part. That soft angle aligns with the keycaps soft angle at the south part of the keycaps. This makes it so that the keycap only hits the top part of the switch's body and apparently makes the more deeper sound. If the pcb has north facing style, the switches will be flipped and the soft angled part of the keycap can hit (doesn't happen all the time and it depends on what keycap style) the right angle part of the of the switch's body and makes a higher ping sound. I'm also new to this keyboard thing and as a gamer I noticed that the priority is sound before rgb.
I prefer North faced, but most of the times they come with no shine through key caps, so RGB is useless. But I have a monitor bar with LED, so I disabled the RGB.
Jay, in case you read my comment, as @WaaMac previously mentioned, the keyboard is gasket-mounted, which explains the slight flex-it's a design choice. If you're considering alternatives that align with your preferences mentioned in the review, I recommend checking out the Keychron K10 Max. It's a robust keyboard with a classic mounting style (zero flex), no knob, additional foam and silicone for excellent noise suppression, and-best of all-it's made of high-quality plastic, which significantly reduces its price compared to the Q6. I recently purchased the K10 Max, and I think it's an outstanding keyboard for its price-a true masterpiece!
@@samuelm5140 What has you torn? I just recently went through this same issue earlier this week when deciding between the V6 Max and the K10 Max. (ending up getting the Q6 Max so I can speak to all 3 choices, I feel like)
@@JaimeDenizard so I have the K10 Pro already and I'm looking to get another for work. I like the additional connectivity option, so I've decided on a MAX version. I'm a fairly heavy typist and heard that gasket mounting provides a softer experience, but the flex that Jay demonstrates looks excessive and distracting. I read that it's somewhat common to have issues with VIA recognizing the board which is essential to me. I've had absolutely no issues with my K10 Pro, so I'm torn between trying something new (Q6M) vs sticking to what I know (K10M).
@@samuelm5140 If you're happy with a K10 Pro, I don't see a need to spend the extra money to go for a Q6 Max, specially not for a work keyboard. Just get the K10 Max.
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Hi Jay, I'm glad you're having a good experience switching mechanical keyboard brands, because it seems we had the same issues with the same brand. In my case, it was a refurbished G512 that broke the LED on the “Z” key after two months of use. At least it was still under warranty and I was able to exchange it, but after that I started looking beyond commercial keyboard brands and replaced it with an AULA F99. It was a bit more expensive and has an all-plastic build, but it's better than any keyboard LOGITECH sells right now: 8000mAh battery, wireless and Bluetooth, USB C, PBT keycaps, RGB, and hot-swappable switch. The truth is that it's time to look at other peripheral brands because they offer better quality and many more features than the most recognized manufacturers who seem to have been determined to ask for more but not improve quality or offer more for what they sell.
I splurged on a Keychron K10 during lockdown since I was working from home and didn't have to worry about gas money for several months. It was glorious. I loved being able to swap JUST my Caps Lock and Num Lock for clicky switches so I get that tactile bump and an audible click when I tap them but everything else is linear. it's so nice. Also, thanks to your videos I've finally decided to build my own system this Christmas. I grabbed all my components during the early Black Friday sales and I'll be diving in once everything arrives. Wish me luck!!
Not sure where all the hate for the G815/G915 comes from. I've had the G815 for a couple years now and it is solid. I've fully yanked the entire keyset twice for cleaning and everything is still as smooth as brand new. No issue with key clips, no wobbles and no flex. The very best part of the G815 is the low-profile keys and Keychron has no competitor for the G815 on that feature. Everything is subjective and tastes vary, but the hate bandwagons are just silly.
@@Dosudro The reason I wouldn't support Logitech is because of how scummy they are with their new products. Plus the old ones are just inferior and outdated now. Actually, the new products are inferior/outdated AND badly priced. If you haven't tried a good mechanical keyboard, then you simply don't know what you are missing out on. Like other comments mentioned, the flexing is intended. It makes for a softer typing experience. Keychron has variants that aren't gasket mounted and so don't flex. Meanwhile, you can easily flex the whole case of Logitech keyboards where it's not intended, but just a mark of poor case quality. As for low profile - Keychron does have low profile keyboards and they are better while being cheaper. Low profile keyboards are not unique at all.
i had one a couple years, it worked and the switches were great, also i came from laptop so the low profile was awesome. problem is, the proprietary key caps are TRASH, the software can be really shit even for bloat (good interface but annoying behavior and obtuse settings) after a couple years with it that thing rattled like a cheap morocca, even worse than a 5 year old ewaste keyboard i had for something else.
Returned my G915 because the software support is garbage. I need true onboard macro storage and the G915 doesn't support that without software installed.
@@lycanthossI don’t think you’ve ever held a Logitech keyboard. The whole case of my G915 does not flex lol. They feel just as good as any other mechanical keyboard. Stop combining your hate for the company with their product. The product is good
For those Jayz viewers that don't want to spend $250 or right now for Black Friday $185, I can wholeheartedly recommend since I own both and multiples of both, The keycron V6 Max. It is a plastic body but has nearly no flex and has all the same features as the Q it's just not made of aluminum. It's priced just around or usually under $100.
I came here to say this. I wholeheartedly agree with this recommendation and on top of that I must point out that the V6 Max even has something the Q6 Max doesn't have! The V6 Max has two 2.4 GHz receivers (a USB-A one and a USB-C one) and it also has magnetic storage slots for them built into the board!
Not sure if this has been mentioned Q6 MAX comes with a PC plate which is rather soft and flexible. Changing the plate to something stiffer could give it more consistent bounce. Changing the plate also affects the sound as you type. It could make it higher pitch ("clack") or low pitch ("thock"). Changing the switches if you want something more, or less tactile. If you want a heavier more resistant switch, or a lighter less resistant switch. Switch material also changes the sound. Changing the keycaps further changes the sound signature. In essence, you pick the format that fits your needs (full size) Next "goal" people aim for, more/better RGB, or improve the sound to your preference, or change how it feels to type. You could also expand into other keyboard layouts. 1800 for example is slightly more compact but still has a number pad. The QK100 is a great 1800 layout keyboard. Another 1800 layout that could be considered is the Feker Alice 98 Pro. Even though it is plastic, this is a tented Alice style keyboard that is more ergonomic to type on. Extending ergonomics further, there are alice, split keyboards, ortholinear, dactyl and more. The rabbit hole can be very deep if you choose to jump in.
Yeah I've also relucantly bought this keyboarad several months ago. I was really hesitant, because I'm quite picky when it comes to mice and keyboards but I absolutely love it.
I got my first Keychron keyboard at the start of September. (the K10 Pro - essentially the same as Jay's wireless board without the dial) It was on sale at Micro Center for $100. Hooked it up to my work PC because of how great it felt to type on. Since then, I've replaced a few old Logitech boards, using a C2 Pro (full-size) and a couple of C3 Pros (TKL). I suspect they come set up for Mac because having to swap some keycaps might be asking too much from the typical Mac user... I've had problems with the VIA website recently too, so thanks for showing the other site. That worked perfectly.
Quick Tip: the Mac/Windows switch toggles between layers that are configurable. So You can reconfigure your Mac mode to be customized for a purpose. For example a game mode with useful functions grouped around the navigation keys, or a creator could have hot keys for an application they constantly use.
Should look at the Q5 Max for the knob being in the proper position which is on the far right. I looked at this keyboard and then found the Q5 Max and bought that one instead.
The main reason for South Facing LEDs is actually to avoid keycap interference. Cherry Profile keycaps have problem with Short stem itches when put in a North facing configuration. When this happens the inner front face of the key will slam into the south facing part of the switch before the switch fully bottoms out. Since Cherry profile Keycaps are one of the most popular this led to a number of companies moving to south facing switch configurations. There was a lot of experimentation including making the keycaps thinner but in the end everything was a compromise and since a lot of Keyboard Enthusiasts didn't care about illuminated keys, this ended up being the final solution to the problem. It was something I really had to adjust too when I got into custom keyboards. I came to really like side printed keycaps but I know a lot of people don't. Regardless, Keychron was a great choice. They are my go to recommendation and I have 3 or 4 floating around the house with a K1 HE from the kickstarter being delivered Monday. Also that flex is intentional. Most people prefer around that level since it reduces strain when typing for long periods of time. But it is very subjective and just depends on preference. There are a number of ways to reduce or even remove the flex completely.
Not a keyboard modder. I mod enough stuff in my life. I bought a G915 TKL after I had shoulder surgery so I could keep gaming. I liked it so much after I recovered, I went and bought the full size one for my gaming PC, and put the TKL on my Plex server.
I bought the V6 earlier this year, which is kinda the wired version of what you got. It is my first fully mechanical and hot-swappable keyboard and I don't think I could be happier with my purchase. I got the barebones version and got silent keychron brown switches with a set of cherry profile double-shot pbt caps colored royal blue. Altogether, it was only about $115 or so, not too bad for a good entry mechanical and customizable keyboard.
Oh no Jay. Turn back. Noooo. Don't do it. I started with one, just one little custom keyboard. What harm could a little 60% keyboard do. 10 months later I own 20 custom keyboards. How did this happen. I sold 5 of them why do still have so many, why do I have 3 of the same kind just because I wanted different colors themes and aesthetics. Why do I keep switching out switches. I just wanted a nice keyboard and something to keep me busy while I recovered after surgery.... 😭😰 Oh yeah if you guys want a great and cheap gasket mount keyboard get a Zuoya GMK67 (Aliexpress $37) and pair it with some gateron ks-3x1 milky yellow (amazon $16) or WS Morandi (amazon $31) switches if you're feeling a little fancy. Top it of with some cherry profile PBT keycaps(amazon $10-30).
The flex is by design.. its called "gasket mount" and wanted that way xD I have the Wooting 60HE and 80HE with the L60v2 switches and PBT keycaps. I really enjoy them and can just confirm, that a lot of ppl dont know what they are missing out on. Its also the first time i started modding/working on my keyboards, i handlubed all the L60v1.5 switches of my 60HE to make it sound and feel better and replaced the 60g springs in my 80HE with 80g ones xD The Lekker V2s dont need extra lubing, since their tolerances are way better than the V1(.5)s
for the fullsize one, Q6 is one of the top contenders and the squishy part is actually a feature since the mounting style uses gaskets, putting some foam under the pcb will remove it if you want a stiffer keyboard if you want to upgrade, Luminkey98 is a nice option. it can be configured into southpaw for the numpad
As someone who works from home, mostly from my couch in a darkened room with a projector, poor backlighting is one of my pet peeves. It's a combination of two different (mostly industry-wide) decisions. First, South-facing LEDs (at the bottom) are generally preferred because orienting the switches the other way can cause interference (scratching) with Cherry-profile keycaps. Second, keycap legends, for some reason, tend to be in the NorthWest of the key. This puts them on the wrong side of the key for the backlight to shine through, if the LEDs are South-facing. There are two solutions. First is to flip the switch orientation (North-facing LEDs), and risk interference with Cherry-profile keycaps (which will limit your keycap choices). Most keyboard enthusiasts don't like this, as they tend to prefer having more keycap options over using backlighting. The other solution would require keycap manufacturers to make keycaps with legends in the Southern part of the keycap. There are some that have front-facing legends (you mentioned these), but just having the option of SouthWest legends (like some of the older Apple keyboards had) would solve this as well. But SouthWest legends are quite rare in keycaps, let alone *good* shine-through ones. And that's not getting into the materials available for shine-through being rather sub-optimal for contrast in different lighting conditions.
I love watching someone who doesn't really know keyboards, discover keyboards in a new way. I would love to see Jay do a collab with a Keyboard UA-camr, there has to be a couple near him...Hipyo is a bit far, but maybe could fly down for a weekend or something?
That would be an... Interesting video. I don't see their personalities meshing well at all. And I am subscribed to both. Although they do both love music so....
@@mainsource8030 that's what would make it fun! I mean, Jay can get a little crazy with his experiments and modding at times, so why not see what happens lol
@@Azreal34 Yeah, but they both have that wild crazy experimental mindset at times, so it might be fun. I'm sure there has to be someone closer to Jay though. I'd be happy to see a collab with someone in the Keeb space either way.
@@mr.guillotine1312 Agreed. I feel like this is how it all starts. Those of us already sucked into the hobby are looking and just thinking that Jay has no idea what he has gotten himself into! LOL I love Custom keyboards. The community is an interesting one though. that is for sure.
Honestly Jay, where you go from here is up to you! I would try out some different switches and higher quality keycaps if it were me. Maybe some other styles of keycap profile (that aren't SA since you weren't a fan of those). There's also loads of options out there for switches especially, each with their own nuances. Personally I love my Kailh Box Royals, which are a hyper-tactile switch. Don't be afraid to explore!
What was wrong with the G915? I'm using a full one right now that I've had for 2-3 years and I absolutely love it. I loaded all my custom features onto its internal memory and even deleted the Logitech software completely. It runs light and bug free with the longevity and stability I'd expect. Battery lasts a long time even after years, never have connection issues, wired is also fine. The only singular complaint I could think of would be that the extra functions and symbols aren't backlit. But the macros, connection, lighting buttons, additional keys, and media controls are wonderful. I have G4 and G5 mapped to shift and control so I don't mistakenly press the wrong button while gaming. I'd probably also change the plug design so it can't get damaged while playing wired, but I haven't damaged mine after all this time so there's that.
He just wanted something different. I also have been using a G915 (TKL) for years and I'm already looking for custom options. Never had issues with the Logitech, battery lasts loooong (always used it wireless), but it is not as customizable in terms of switches (they are not hot swappable) and keycaps. Ultimately I want to try other brands/switches/keycaps and the difference it makes on feel and sound, also look at other software.
A few things. The extra flex in the corners is intentional. It helps to keep those keys from causing extra ping in the metal case. The relevance of south facing LED’s is because some north facing LED’s, cherry profile keycaps interfere with them and crunch when you press them. If you want to use pudding keycaps, look for switches that are fully transparent and/or have diffusers inside them.
Don't underestimate the joy of typing on a GOOD keyboard. Especially the feel and sound. I bought one for like $70 with a super creamy sound when typing, internal foam, great bounce, and quality keycaps. I type all day for my work, and I get so much joy using it. Don't overlook this part of your setup IF you type a lot!
This is a sincere question although I'm sure I'm still going to get blasted by some people for asking this but; What is the point of spending this much on a keyboard? What extra functionality does this type of keyboard give you? I mean besides just being able to say I spent an insane amount of money on my keyboard what is the point? Honestly!!!!
I have not used a mechanical keyboard in years. Regardless, some people prefer mechanical keyboards because of the key feel and the sound (click) that they make when typing. It is more about form than function.
At this point there really is not much point in spending so much money on a mechanical keyboard, they have been around for years and they have not changed much, there are many switch options also so you can often retrofit replacement switches and get a ''new'' feel and sound on your older mechanical keyboard. People really should be looking more at hall effect keyboards now, they range in price from cheap to expensive but offer a genuinely new operation to the board since the keys are analogue... reminds me of the old ps2 controllers except those controllers had pressure modulating buttons wheras magnetic keyboards today are not pressure based but travel based. So that would be how i spend my money on a keyboard today and indeed have done. New switch design, new features ( like being able to set in software your actuation point ) etc. With mechanical boards i feel like you are paying more for design and build quality, the latter of which being of lesser importance i feel in this instance since it is just sitting static in front of you, it really needs not deal with harsh conditions. You can often tell the difference between an expensive well made board and a cheap one though, often even in the first few seconds of using one.
Went from a Corsair K70 RGB MK2 to a Keychron K10 with Gateron Milky Yellow Pro switches and Keychron morse code keycaps. Filled the backplate with eva foam, checked and lubed the stabilizers and tape-modded the pcb and It feels and sounds so much better to me than the Corsair ever did. I ended up buying another one for work and went for Coral Silent linear switches to make sure it was tolerable for my colleagues.
@JayzTwoCents Long time listener, first time caller. I'm glad you like the keyboard, but this video title is like super, super misleading, and it sounds like you bought into some other people's opinions as fact. Keychron is great, but the Q6 Max and the G915 are both similar quality products with similar-quality copies of Cherry switches, with the primary difference being that the G915 is low-profile. I strongly prefer low-profile switches, because I'm more used to that form factor after years on a laptop, so I like the typing experience of the G915 much, much better than any other mechanical I've used, including the Keychron products I've demoed. It sounds like you have the opposite experience but are using subjective impressions of the experience as indicators of actual quality. Check out Rtings take on the two closest products, the regular G915 and the Q5 Max. The ratings are very similar, save for notes about the short throw of the Kailh switches, which is intended for a nice typing experience for people who like low-profile.
I'm not a massive keyboard snob, although in the last four years I have bought two with a third on the way, and I don't really follow mechanical keyboards outside of 75% sized ones, but $250 seems like a lot for an entry level keyboard. I currently have an ND75 which has an anodized aluminum case, 2.4Ghz and 3 channel BT wireless, a little customizable LCD screen, toolless disassembly via a ball catch system and lots of other nice features and it was about $100. I feel like you could find something even better than your keychron for less than you spent if you did some research. A lot of keyboard youtubers I follow have been talking about how there's been a race to the bottom in the hobby with keyboards that would have cost hundreds a couple years ago selling for $100-$150 today. Granted a lot of the time these keyboards are only available through group buys but still. Anyway, great video, glad to see you give the world of mechanical keyboards a shot.
As a keyboard nerd, would love to see you try some modding, like tape modding or force breaking or something. Especially with the board you have now (15:15) theres a very noticeable twang, especially in the space bar. Doing some very cheap mods would most likely help you achieve the goal of all keyboard enthusiasts…the THOC
I got the Wooting 80HE this tuesday, I can recommend it to anyone. (already had the 60HE before that) It definetly sounds better then the Keychron... the 80HE is much lower pitched.
@@angeloaraya8157 speed yes, the technology is somehow superior. But feel and sound is arguably worse for the majority of people, and it doesn't feel as premium as other similar priced kits. It really comes down to how much you really want the hall effect switches and the best software around to properly tailor them on your needs which of course is worth someting
@@oimazzo2537 You mean the sound? Not really. I know that the sound from the keyboard in the video is louder then in person. I've had several keyboard now. From the old rubberdome, to blue and brown clicky switches, to linear silver/red and now 2x wootings with 60 Lekker v1 and v2 and my 80HE with v2 is the first one without any high pitch/ping sounds. Only the spacebar is a bit high sounding, but the others are more like thock. The only other that came close was a low profile rubberdome keyboard. Between the 60HE with plastic case and the 80HE with zinc case now is also a big sound difference.
I got myself a Q1 HE and I'm delighted. I have considered the Wooting 80HE but the waiting time, the fact that it is not wireless and overpriced made me buy the Keychron. And I couldn't be happier.
I got the 915 X Lightspeed and thought it was a great purchase due to your glowing review of it. That being said, I've had it for a few weeks and absolutely love it.
I just switched from my Logitech G915 as well and picked up a Keychron V6 Max, liked it so much ended up getting the Keychron Q6 Max, also got a Q1 Max on the way. Currently using a Wooting Two HE. The keyboards are adding up within the past 2 months of switching to an actual mechanical keyboard after using "Gaming" keyboards for the past 20 years 🤓
I had a Logitech wireless that was set up so that the key caps home are curved to fit your fingers a little bit better it had a nice little leather Edge on the end so I didn't necessarily need a keyboard rest but when I went to replace it with another one that I had bought I bought two at one time it had keys that would stick and drive me crazy.
If you like the low profile nature of G915, Keychron also has low profile series: any K-series with odd number is low profile, they use a similar set of switches as G915 but with much better mounting stems, and aftermarket keycaps are available for them + you can also swap them for other low profile switches
G915 is good but not 200$ good and you can't change a thing, I broke my F5 key and can't change it easily. On the other hand, the Keychron is pretty good for its price and you can upgrade/customize the part you want, all the part are standard.
i love seeing this. im like 5% keyboard snobby (basically 6 months ahead of where jay is) and i love seeing him travel this arc. i cant wait til he realizes how much nicer the gaskets make long typing sessions!
Currently using the Q1 HE and it’s a fantastic keyboard. Keychron is a great middle ground for going from your run of the mill Razer, Logi etc to custom.
I originally wanted to go for the G915X to replace my G915, but your video gave me the push to switch to this board. :) I have it since several weeks now and I am absolutely loving it. I have the metal frame version as well, but with ASA style keycaps and Gateron Red linear switches - it is an absolute dream for both gaming and regular use!
Keyboards don't really matter in modding past the barebone features you get. Like additional keys, RGB and media controls. It's getting nitty gritty with the switches, keycaps, springs, padding, dampeners, O-rings, ect that are where things really get interesting. (Recommend getting a switch tester to get started!) I have a Corsair K95 RGB Platinum where I desoldered the switches, swapped out for Cherry MX Greys, swapped the springs out for 200g ones, lubed them, added foam, soldered back in and swapped out the keycaps for PBT Doubleshot pudding caps from Amazon (different from the ones shown) and the keyboard feels solid, perfect for my hands and legit $200+ more "premium" than what it was at stock. So the more fun you have and experiment with, the more you get out.
You got a keyboard that went from poor to awful brand Good luck. Keychron has a widespread issue with retyping itself with their various model, and many users have spoken about it in forums. I am one of those who has experienced it.and some people even experienced problems with the short battery lifeThese are just beginner keyboards. The majority of keychron keyboards use heavy tactile switches that resemble clicky switches in sound. For those searching for mechanical keyboards, get brands like Nuphy or Monsgeek which used linear switches that most keyboard user prefered And i will wait two years before u says that some individuals are correct regarding the keyboard once more.🤣🤣🤣 100% monetized and sponsored video
Keychron is a trash brand. My Keychron battery died just more than a year after the warranty term. Full charge only lasts 1 hour plus before it indicates battery drain again plug it in to charge again and it lasts another 1 hour. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
While i don't know much about keyboards specifically (i run a G915 lol) Jay is required to and always does say in the video that it's sponsored when it's sponsored.
@@MakavelliFH What will he do next now that he's discovered Keychron is a terrible brand?Will he boycott and ban the brand, as he did with the Asus Thermaltake?
I have the Q12 Southpaw carbon black and it is amazing! The quality and build is very good. I like how a lot of these companies are making custom out-of-the-box keyboards (with lubed switches, gasket mounts, foam, good quality stabilizers) for the ones who don't have the patience to build their own. Of course nothing beats a fully custom keyboard but these are still pretty dang good.
I am glad people are finally starting to strafe away from typical gaming keyboards. Having bought a lot of them, they are a complete waste of money. I am currently on a Keychron Q1 Max and it was by far the best purchase. You can tune it to feel and sound as you like, it offers multiple ways to connect and best of all, if any switch dies, you just replace it within 10s and you are good to go. I had 2 of my razer keyboards thrown away because some switches failed over time, at which point it becomes unusable. Not to mention, the keychron is built LIKE A TANK, while also being cheaper.
It's sooo funny to me how a newbie can be so thrilled about the aluminium enclosure of a proper keyboard. To me it's normal, but it really goes to show that I take this quality feel for granted, or that other people are just oblivious to decent build quality.
Welcome to the world of custom keyboards Jay , Keychron is a really good start , if i may suggest something ... you can change the switches for the (Wuque Morandi switches they come prelubed) -(and you can change the stabilizers for some Durock V3 but you also have to buy a Krytox lube and lube them yourself) also you can add 1 or 2 layers of tape on the back of the PCB and you succesfully made your keyboard sound and feel a million times better.
My G915 TKL was absolutely amazing.... for about 15 months. The low profile switches are wobbly in the chassis, the keycaps are coated (rather than not doubleshot) which rubs off with regular use, and the keycaps use two thin little plastic clips which dont last long either. RMA and got the G715 TKL instead. Its feels significantly more durable, virtually no wobble, and uses proper keycaps. G915X apparently addresses these common issues of the G915, I'm half tempted to pick one up and retire the G715.
I recently picked up the budget wired version of this keyboard, the V6, and I'm in love with it. Hot swappable switches (I like these K Pro Browns a lot anyways), fully programmable, knob with push, 4 extra keys above numpad, its basically everything I could want from a keyboard. Been buying cheap sets of keycaps in different profiles, trying to decide what shape I want when I finally decide to get a nice set. OEM and Cherry profiles have been ruled out and I'm leaning towards DSA but wanna try a few more before dropping real money on a bunch of luxury plastic. About VIA: I was having the same issue until I randomly decided to try it in Chrome instead of Firefox and it worked like a charm ever since. So now Chrome is my dedicated keyboard remapping software with VIA as the homepage ahah
I have a Q6, and out of the box I couldn't get the knob to press properly. After I put a layer of foam below the PCB everything was properly placed. That's all you need to do. Also, Don't update the firmware pass 1.4 unless you don't mind your RGB being interrupted because of the numlock.
I rotate in an older Q6 in with a bunch of other keyboards in my stable - definitely a great full size option, one of my favorites! My only major complaint and big upgrade I made was to fix the typing angle. Pick up a $12 set of 1.25" rubber dome isolation pads and use two of them to prop it up to a better (imo) angle. And for an easy upgrade to the sound, can definitely recommend doing a "tape mod". i.e. just line the back of the pcb with 2 or 3 layers of painters tape. You'll be surprised at the difference - usually an improvement.
for the q6 max, you can extend the factory force break mod, though it won't do much. the tempest mod can also change the sound profile, and the most egregious offender on the board is the stabilizers. I chose to go with the swag keys knights v2 for my stabilizers. I personally swapped my Keychron Jupyter Banana switches for Durock T1 Silent Shrimps because I prefer tactile switches, but my wife hates the noise of keyboards. welcome to the q6 max fam!
Thanks for the review. I bought a WASD Keyboards full size keyboard many years ago and it was about $200. Your Keychron looks like a good deal for the money. I think my next mechanical keyboard will be a split model, like the ZSA Voyager or Moonlander, or go wild with the Moergo Glove80. The split keyboards are supposed to be better at reducing repetitive strain injury (and I've had coworkers who said their split keyboards completely relieved their RSI)
Flex used to be associated of being a cheap product. These days, for custom keyboard enthusiast, it really doesn't matter anymore as it is based on preference. I personally type fast (160 wpm), so the flex actually helps ease my finger pressure down when typing.
I picked up one of the low profile Keychron models, it feels similar to the Logitech, but hopefully won't start failing for no reason after just a year or two like Logitech products do. Plus, it has swappable switches! I was really happy with the purchase after a couple of weeks of use. I am also grateful to commenters letting me know the keyboard flex is by design! LOL
I work in Film Production. I do on-set and post-production work. I own three of these. And I've given one as a gift to a work colleague. To my taste, this particular model is the best keyboard I've ever used. It's perfect for Mac use and I will never go back to to the Apple Wireless keyboard ever again; so much so that I'm making one of Snazzy Labs Wireless Touch ID buttons by deconstructing one of the many Apple Wireless Keyboards I own, just to compliment my Q6M. This thing is a tank.
People actually prefer south lit rgb because north lit can interfere with certain style of key caps so with south lit you have a larger variety of key caps you can use.
Great to hear about your experience with the Q6. I started with the Keychron K4 to try the 96% layout for work and overall like it. And then the rabbit hole opened up. 😅 I chased a K3 JIS to better learn to type Japanese as I learn the language, experimented with the Q0 Pro, and now replaced a Corsair K95 Platinum with the Lemokey L3. I'll be changing over the Kailth Copper switches on that board. But now that I've tried other silent switches... I'm in deep bros. 😔
I've been using my K70 from Corsair for roughly 10 years now; never had any issues with it. Only thing I've changed or added are pudding style key-caps which made the lighting look amazing.
I bought one a few months back. It's honestly such a great option for a fully assembled keyboard. I am someone who uses the 10key regularly. So i was so happy to find a full keyboard option. This is my entry into the "Modable" keyboard world. I personally think it's just right for me.
I upgraded to this exact same keyboard a few months ago from a Logitech G series and love it! Just on your issue with VIA not connecting, I ran into the same thing and noticed the website was reporting some errors. Fix for that was to remove my keyboard from the USB hub I was using and plug it directly into the PC and VIA was able to connect immediately.
A fellow dual Q6 owner! I have one with the knob one without but both have the same silent Akko Fairy liner switches. Its a great Zombie apocalypse weapon, edges are pretty pointy. The bounce you mention is the gasket which is to dampen/soften the typing so its a little less fatiguing. You can change up the plate to help stiffen it so an aluminum or brass one would help. Also, saving weight!?! BLASHPHEMY! Add more! remove the battery get some fishing shot or wheel weight an chuck them in there one of mines closer to 3Kg Home has some Traitors Infinity keycaps but I'm waiting on the Atlantis set. and work has the Ducky Fallout set. Welcome to the slippery slope of mechanical keyboards!
It comes with the Mac layout as standard, because PC people will know to swap them, and Mac people will take it back for a return. :)
LMAO you're not wrong! I don't think I've ever met a technical Mac user. I'm sure they exist...
@@Sonic6293 you kidding right? ask every coder they say they prefer mac os, just because you are an edgelord hosting a nas doesnt mean you are "technical"
Kek
@@Donkens really depends on which programmer you are asking.
Person developing apps for IOS and mac and person doing webdev using javaShit frameworks? sure.
Anything else, Choice is Linux first then windows.
I was just going to say the same. 😂
The one in which Nick didn't bother explaining gasket mounting to his boss.. at all
HAHAHA that's EXACTLY what I thought when I was watching the video :D
or that you can go to Keychron to order the Accessories/upgrade parts. get the Brass Backing plate. yeh, so un informed.
First thing I thought when he started on about the F-row. Jay needs to build something like a QK100 of he wants a real nice "budget" fullsize.
Jay, the Keychron Q series keyboards are gasket mounted which is why you are seeing the flex when pushing down harder on the keys, that is by design and is meant to improve the feel and sound when typing normally.
I have a Q1 Pro, had to buy the extra foam kit to get the sound and feel I wanted.
This, Jay. This. 😅
If he doesn't want it to flex as much, he should have gotten the brass base plate.
I've had some gasket mounted keyboards and never felt any improvement on feel over the classic tray mount style. Maybe the force required to flex the PCB varies greatly between keyboard brands/models, but in my keyboards I only flex the PCB if I'm willing to do it (applying much more pressing force than normal).
On the other hand, gasket mount improves sound by taking the mounting contact points away from the keys, moving them to the sides and achieving a more consistent sound.
@@sys-administrator It doesn't feel mushy AT ALL though.
I bought a G915 a few years ago because of your video when you reviewed it. I went to MicroCenter and tried one out and love the way it feels compared to my crappy old one. It's like a mechanical chiclet style key feel sort of, which makes it super easy to transition between using it and using just my work laptop's keyboard when I'm on the go. I find the most useful feature of the G915, though, is being able to seamlessly control 3 different PCs without having to move receivers around. Wired into my gaming PC, wireless receiver in the media PC by the TV, and BlueTooth to my work laptop. The only thing I have to do is either plug/unplug the cable and/or press a button at the top. There may be more expensive, fancier, nicer keys out there, but I'm gonna run this G915 until it dies hah.
Same. I got my g915 after his video on it. Still love it.
Same here. Suddenly G915 is garbage??? I love it and i too will not change it till it dies
@@madavgis7 clickbait title, I feel the same about mine. Only thing I dislike is the usb-micro charging.
@@Pyreleaf true, this is annoying
Also have it, also love it, but only due to features. I would really prefer something with hot swappable key switches, but good luck finding one that's full-sized, low profile, including a volume wheel and supporting the ISO layout. Personally, I could not find one.
The flex you are mentioning is actually a feature. The goal of this is to reduce the noise output of the keyboard and prevent the bottoming of the keys to resonate in the chassis.
If that was the case, it wouldn't just be in the corners.
Jay was mentioning sides do much flex than the other parts of the keyboard so the flex is uneven but surely Jay did what he can do to reduce the flex in the sides
@@Markknightexeter he probably didn't notice that it does flex everywhere but to a lesser degree. For example on mine it barely flex in the middle unless I use a lot of force.
@@ronskeebs yes that is to be expected
It's really not. Keychron makes decent keyboards but the execution of the gasket mount system they use isn't that great. That flex in the corners is a flaw by design. The flex also has more to do with the plate material than the gasket mount. My Q6 came with an aluminum plate. Its firm but still allows some flex. This is the same plate jay has. You can tell by the fact that it's black. A proper gasket mount system will be firmer in the corners and edges and have the most flex in the middle. This can be mitigated with using a different plate material such as Brass for a firmer feel or polycarbonate for even more flex.
19:41 The Keychron Q series comes in 3 versions, the standard Q such as Q6 is wired only, the Q Pro also has BT and the Q Max has BT + 2.4Ghz. Your keyboard is the Q6 Max version.
they did show and i think they have HE versions as well
@@nonnicambo4787 Keychron hasn't released an HE full sized yet. Right now it is the Q1, Q3, Q5 and K2. I have the Q1 and the K2 from the kickstarter(should be delivered Monday)
I have the Q1 HE and love it. Still learning the software to control the HE.
@ they are great keyboards. I’ve switched mine for a GMMK 3 HE at the moment and really love it. But frankly, glorious software and pricing is just ridiculously bad so I don’t recommend them to anybody. The only reason I even have it is because I was able to get it at less than half price.
The Q1 HE is still my go to recommendation and probably what I will switch back to for personal Use here pretty soon.
@@stang10189 i just got the q1 he and i seriously love it
Jay, usually to connect to VIA you need to download a json file from the manufacturer website.
Also I don't know if any one commented this already but Signal software can interfere with VIA if Signal recognizes the keyboard. I had this problem with a VIA compatible keyboard and VIA only worked after entering Signal and disabling the connection of Signal to the keyboard.
I have the same board and I just go to the caniusevia website and it works fine. I do have to use Chrome though, the site doesn't work in Firefox.
There's also the Keychron launcher (which is basically reskinned VIA) and you don't need to download anything for that
I had the exact same issue with my keychron v6 max, and I followed the guide on keychrons website to a T to get it working, including downloading the json and setting it up in the design tab. I like VIA only slightly better than the Keychron launcher because I had some weird issues with macro recording that worked just flawlessly in VIA, but for all other things the launcher is super easy plug and play with a very clean and simple interface. The only other issue is that I can't get it to work over 2.4GHz, but that's the same in VIA.
17:25 South-Facing LEDs are an important feature not because of edge-print legends, but because it orients the key switches in the traditional "correct" direction to avoid the switch housing interfering with Cherry-profile keycaps, one of the most common custom keycap profiles. Cherry-style switches are sloped on what should be the "South" side specifically to nest inside a Cherry-style keycap. North-facing LEDs are often better for shine-through legends, but this orients the keyswitch slope on the wrong side, limiting keycap compatibility.
The south facing LEDs spill light to the eyes when looked at an angle. After trying the OEM and OSA profile key caps, I would rather opt for a North facing LEDs combined with a shine through key caps.
Nerd! 😆. I mean that in the best way possible.
Newer switches have a slight modified shape to prevent that issue.
You can find tester sample packs of various companies switch options, typically for about 20 bucks, and that is a great way to figure out what type of switches you like best.
Switches can run from $0.10 a switch, up to $2.00 a switch, which gets really expensive if you are kitting out a full 104 keys, so it is important to not regret that decision.
Anecdotally, the reason for "South facing" LEDs vs "North facing" LEDs is because back in the day Cherry style switches had a square ridge on the top (north) side that was designed to fit Cherry style Keycaps, with the LED on the bottom (South) side ... Well, for "North facing" LEDs, they just spin the entire socket 180° so that the LED is on top, which would put that ridge on the south side, and when you went to push a key: the keycap would hit that ridge and not actuate the switch.
Modern switches and keycaps have been redesigned so that no longer happens, but there is still a stigma in "the community" about north facing LEDs.
Personally, I think it is more of just a pretty rejection of North facing because all of the "gamer" keyboards have shine through RGB and North facing LEDs.
Yes agree with the above comments. The flex is a feature of gasket mount keyboards. However what you notice about consistency in flex throughout the board can be improved in higher end boards. For a stiffer typing feel, and oftentimes for cheaper, you could look for tray mount or top mount keyboards.
Keycron is that free hit the dealer gives you to get hooked except for mechanical keyboards
...oddly specific. lol
@MetabolicFrolic lol ya . But not what you think, former popo of 10years
Keychron. The real Gateway Drug.
For real. Quality inexpensive mechanical keebs are truly a gateway drug.
That is accurate.
The Logitech G915 is NOT garbage. You even sang its praises when it came out. Just because something is old doesn’t make it garbage.
i was kind of upset unboxing my G915 wireless, which does not feel nearly as stout as the wired version.
In comparison it is. That doesn’t change that the 915 is a good keyboard for many.
But it is, as soon as I used a keychron keyboard I couldn't fathom how I used the logitech keyboards.
I was thinking the same and wondering how long until he goes back to the 915.
@@craigwickham7963honestly I doubt he will. It is something you do need to experience to actually understand. I do not have a Keychron, I have a full custom and my bros has the Keychron Q6. It is extremely close to mine in comparison, and I came from Razor.
After experiencing them, Razor, Logitech just feel like Dell prebuilt pc’s compared to Keychron and other custom models.
To use VIA with a Keychron, you would need to download a JSON file for your keyboard from Keychron. But you are not missing out on any features using the Keychron configuration tool.
Others have mentioned the gaskets on the Q Max. There other mounting styles that would be stiff, namely top mount or bottom mount. A Neo80 or Neo75 from Qwertykeys would give you more the feel you seem to want. Or a Mode Sonnet or Mode Loop. These are kits, so you would need to supply switches and caps. The Neos are under $200 for the kit, while the Mode are over $300. The Neos are nice. Mode is really nice. You would need a separate number with either option. If you really want a Numberpad, buy a Keychron. But most people who say they want a Numberpad end up not using it.
Numpads tend to be very useful that I wouldn't want to get rid of it. I've ran 60%'s and 75%'s and having to setup and remember layers is really fucking annoying when you need to access particular keys. There are too many games where a numpad is incredibly useful for. Didn't think it was needed either until I've ran into headaches without it.
You can buy a numpad separately @@EvilWiffles
Its cool that you have uses for one but many people barely if ever touch it
@@EvilWiffles Numberpads are unergonomic as they push a right-handed mouse too far to the right. And it depends on what games you play that even use the Numberpad. Probably even fewer that could not be rebound.
@@ShadVanDenHul I use the Keychron Q12, numpad is in a great spot for me. I'd rather not deal with reworking keybinds, I'd just rather have my fucking buttons be present from the get-go. It's mostly personal preference but downplaying the numpad importance is really annoying, since I also fell victim to being talked out of numpad keyboards. I rarely touch any keyboards without a numpad now unless I want something more portable. And yes, it depends on the games. If you play more complex games, it's incredibly useful. War Thunder comes to mind for me.
Additionally there is the QK100 from QwertyKeys that has an almost full layout retaining the standard 10key and has a high level of customization at its price for full size aluminum
Buys a $250 keyboard, goes around fixing the defects in it with slapstick job, removes RGB, reducing it to a $10 keyboard, and buys 2 pieces of the same stuff, Gosh, people have a lot of money to waste.
The 100% layout, rgb, low profile, high quality mechanical kb space is so severely lacking. Just tossing this out there. Currently have a Keychron V5 Max. It's okay, but I wish it had a knob and brighter lighting.
why diudnt you order the knobbed one, i agree with the lighting
I personally go with 75/80s and use a custom mirrored numpad.
Lofree Flow100 but its quite expensive
@fanfan867 its nice, but cramped. Even with the pre-order pricing... Its not ergonomic.
Regarding your question about what to update: Lubing the switches lifts this in a whole new category. I did this with my Q6 Pro with Keychron K Pro yellow switches. Also an extra layer of foam and/or a tape mod helps the sound so much. The extra layer of foam also stiffens the flex you mentioned considerably.
Yes. Q6 max here. Jupiter banana switches are factory lubed but it's severely lacking. Just a small swipe up each stem rail. I hand lubed all 108 switches with 205g0 (took 6 hours) and the difference is tremendous. Huge upgrade in feel and sound. Also did tape mod on PCB (3 layers of painters tape) which made the whole thing sound much deeper and more poppy. Also extended the factory force break mod with some carefully cut strips of electrical tape. Last, I tweaked the lube on all stabilizers. These combined turned my q6 max from a 7 to a 9.
V5 and Q5 (non-Pro and non-Max) owner here. I was about to suggest that Jay get a non-Max Keychron board and try a bunch of mods to see how close he can get to a Max version in sound and feel.
The video shows the Max already has a bunch of foam and other touches that I had to add myself as mods (foam, etc.) to my V5 boards and Q5.
Is there really much more (aside from new/lubed/modded switches or stabilizers) that can be done to really upgrade the Q6 Max?
@@AMD718 Curious how you accomplish these mods if you dont mind. I got the Q6 Max Jupiter too. Looking to make the keys even more deep/thocky.
When you say extended the force brak, do you mean added more layers vertically or added more around the existing? And instead of taping the board, would adding more thin foam sheets to the existing foam have the same affect as taping the PCB? Assuming gaffers tape is fine?
@@PPGKyle from some quick searching I'm not sure gaffer's tape would have the same effect as painter's tape. You could try it but, YMMV? Safer bet just to use painter's tape, 3 layers on the back of the PCB. The force break mod was just a matter of adding a few pieces of electrical tape in very small, slender pieces, placed strategically around the fastener points, buffering the contact between the two case halves. Not doubling anything, if that makes sense. Lubing the Jupiter switches is a different and more involved thing. Not really difficult, just time consuming and needing the right tools and prep.
@AMD718 that makes sense and I truly do appreciate the reply. I've been on a "expensive but crappy" Corsair and I was on the fence with the Q6 Max, what a difference dude
Do you have the side print keys?
I'm not liking having no help seeing the letters in the dark lol
I recently swapped to the V6 with Silent Reds from a store-bought mechanical Logitech with tactiles. The improvement is out of this world. If you haven't tried a proper GOOD keyboard, you're underestimating the gap. If you have, going back just isn't an option. These things are absolutely worth the 100-200 USD they ask for them.
The battery might even be exchangable, but once the battery is dead, I'm sure the industry will have found a way to make this obsolete and you can't buy a new battery for this anymore. I'm so sick of that. I want normal AA batteries.
he said he uses it wired and it works with no battery, i know from experience
@@mainsource8030 Of course. I would expect that. But I haven't used cabled keyboards in decades and I don't want to. I bought expensive keyboards and that junk kept breaking, which is why I find the "garbage" so fitting. Now I use a "cheap" Cherry wireless and that thing will not break. But I still dream of a mechanical keyboard, that fits my needs.
They use a "standard" battery and have them available on their site.
Maybe less a standard battery and more just a common size for that type.
@@profosist Alright. So how likely is it, you will be able to buy AA rechargeables in 15 years and how likely is it, you can buy their "standard" battery then.
@@paulplus3830 see you bring the same argument that PFU does with their Happy Hacking Keyboard. It's not a bad one until you realize that keep Crown has full individually addressable individually let RGB and those Double A's wouldn't last any real amount of time
Actually just had a conversation with somebody complaining how short the battery life was on their Keychron. My response was are you using the RGB? Yes, they were.
And if you're wondering LEDs can't take that much power. How were back before USB 3 was standard individually lit keyboards and these wouldn't have even been RGB required two USB ports to power them as one port was not enough. Corsair was one of the first to go to a single USB 3 Connection I believe that's when they went with the onboard RGB LEDs.
0:20 That voice crack tho😂
Calling the G915 garbage here -- after you so positively talked about it in multiple videos -- is not cool.
Manipulation at its best. Dude got paid
To be fair, it's like he says, you don't really know what it us you're missing until you try it. I happily used gaming mechanical keyboards for like 8 years before I tried a halfway decent mech board, and I really could not go back now.
Not making excuses, but it's a thing.
@Jackofafewtrades nah I genuinely don't believe when someone is able to afford multiple boards, switches, and brands advertises a keyboard likes its the best thing since slice bread. I see something wrong with that. I genuinely don't know the difference between both but if I had a Asus strip scope 2, g915, razer blackwidow v3, steelseries apex pro, and some keychron variant. I could still say my personal choice is best. But literally calling it trash is the problem. It's not garbage. Its quite literally better than a huge majority of it's competitors. It becomes a personal preference problem. That's my issue. Don't advertise something, say you're buying it twice, then ditch it for your new favorite toy while slandering it. You promoted people to buy it. That's not cool.
Agreed. This is a snake oil thing, at best, in my opinion. Hot swap and changing keycaps with a more standard style are great, but that's literally all I can imagine being a direct upgrade from the G915. Kailh makes great switches, and I don't think many people would say Keychron's are outright better. Honestly, I love Jay in a lot of ways, but calling the G915 "garbage" is just objectively incorrect and genuinely negatively affects my trust of the channel.
@@e3super2 NGL... L take. There's a massive difference in feel between something like a gasket-mount mech board and a low-profile gaming keyboard with an integrated plate mount. There's more to a keyboard than switches. I guarantee you Keychron has put a lot more thought into how the keyboard actually sounds and feels than Logitech. Boards like the Logitech sound soulless and hollow, and the typing feel is super stiff, which might sound cool, because "accuracy" and "gaming" but in reality is just shit to type on and leads to all sorts of feedback and an overall bad typing feel. Even gaming keyboard brands like Asus and Wooting are hopping onto the gasket mount/custom-style designs lately, because it is just objectively better.
nice start, to make the corners not bend / flex (something the kb community loves, i do not) you will need to separate the pcb from the top plate and stuff more rigid foam in between - those extra spacers were for the springiness. i have several q6 / q6 pro models, where i fill the bottom of the case with resin + metal balls (2mm, about 5000-6000 of them) to make it much heavier. then stiffen up the space between the pcb and the aluminum plate, replace switches with the drop panda clear lubed, fill the bottoms of the the side print keys with resin, to make those heavier, and put it all together. great stuff! lmk if you'd like some photos / video of my work.
oh i forgot, first thing - the blue tape mod - look it up. essentially, you take blue painter's tape and apply layers to the bottom of the pcb. makes the sound much more thocc-like and more creamy. takes out the clackiness out of the pcb. you could also syringe lube the stabilizers for more creaminess - just don't overlube.
@@endorphinADMIN I did the tape mod and added some automotive sound deadener to the bottom of the case as well as lubing switches and straightening the stabilizers on my Q6. I think I did a few other things as well. Such a fantastic keyboard.
I just did almost exactly the same upgrade! Went from a G910 to a Keycron Q3 HE + Q0. Absolutely loving the change - feels SO much better. I think the flex is intentional, as it avoids finger stress and carpal tunnel. On a lappy, you don't want flex as it means bad build quality, but on a keyboard they do a LOT of engineering to give it a bit of flex. Board is mounted on gaskets, etc.
G915->Q1 Max->Q3 Max for me.
Bro my wired 915 is super dope. It is anything but garbage. I love it. If your gfriend says “why are you pissed?” from the other room; you’ve got a clicky board.
I remember your follow up vid on the G915, and you loved it.
They have made a refresh version the G915X, which addresses all the issues people had with the G915. E.g. the keys going shiney.
shiney? how bout proprietary fitted trash? they fix that? shiney isnt an issue compared to turning into a moracca after a year
@@bradhaines3142 so everyone needs to get a new keyboard if they own a Logitech? Got it.
17:38 the reason south facing RGB is a good thing is because it allows people to use normal keycap profiles. So it's not style, but function!
North facing RGB causes the plastic keycap to contact the switch EVERY TIME you press it, whereas with south facing it functions like normal without hitting the keyswitch. That's why people avoid boards with north facing switches, they are a pain in the ASS
North facing effects cherry profile typically only GMK caps.
Its only affecting the GMK Cherry profile keycaps not all is affected, I have an Aula f75 and its not showing on my end and switched the swithces to gateron milky yellow and the keycaps are still fine
@@ronskeebs It effected a few sets of mine and i tried changing switches but nothin worked. IFK 808, CTRL semitransparent, and Frontier chemical 001 didn't work with north facing for me. Which really sucked, because i wanted to build the Nuphy Field75 but couldn't cause the keycaps wouldn't work with the switches i set aside
I've never had a keyboard where the keys bottom out with north-facing LEDs, but my one south-facing keyboard I have to keep the LEDs at the lowest setting because otherwise I get blinded every time I look down to reset my hands.
@@Archpope south facing LED is literally my only complaint with my keychron v10.
12:40 I love the quick plug for “I fix it” 🎇🎇🎇. Personally, I avoid high cost keyboards, BUT, you did such a great job showing all the positive features on this keyboard that I will put this on my “to get” list. Great work Jay. 👍
I really tried not to comment but i cant Jay, I fully understand that it is your work , i mean you are basically a seller, one that influences others with promoted or not video reviews, among others.
But. Please at least respect your own content and praises when it comes to other products.
G915 was and still is a great keyboard , one that you praised 4 years ago. You praised its quality, clicky sound, BATTERY LIFE, and connectivity among others. Suddenly, on 2024 and since these kind of custom keyboards are trendy among your fanbase, i assume, the Logitech becomes not obsolete, but plainly a garbage product.
Still, no comparisons are made on those G915 features mentioned above.
-Is the Keychron BETTER in battery life compared to G915?
We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it. You said that "i use it wired".
-Is the Keychron BETTER in terms of distance to wireless adapter compared to G915?
We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it.
-Is the Keychron BETTER in connectivity in general compared to G915?
We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it.
-Does the Keychron has BETTER features in software and RGB themes etc?
We dont KNOW, you said that you didnt care and stick a solid colour..ooookay i get it..
-Is it good for typing?Gaming? How about all those metrics you were mentioning on original G915 review on click distance etc. Is Keychron Better than G915?
We dont KNOW, you never bothered to mention it.
So, how this review proves that G915, a premium keyboard from a well known brand, that dont flex like this one and keeps its keycaps on place, unlike this one ( 2 of them ejected while you were typing lol ), is garbage?
I could really go on rambling about forever.
Long story short, its your channel, your reviews, your opinions and your money. Your source of income. But please respect the fans, the ones than bought the products because of YOUR REVIEWS, respect the products and the people behind the products.
This was not a review. It was a libellus.
If the title was just a clickbait, well then it served its purpose i suppose. Next time put the reviewed brands name also, not just the bait.
Disclaimer : No buttons were ejected, no connectivity issues came up, no battery was drained on my Logitech G 915 keyboard while typing this comment.
"Disclaimer : No buttons were ejected, no connectivity issues came up, no battery was drained on my Logitech G 915 keyboard while typing this comment." - If no battery was drained on your keyboard while writing that, that means it doesn't draw power and hence is infinite, which I highly doubt. If it's powered on in order to type, it's draining power, just maybe not to the level of which you would notice. Hence with this said, I call your disclaimer of this specific part, false and incorrect.
@Dawelio lol I ll proceed with an official statement on the DrainGate early Monday morning.
first things first battery life. the q6 max has a 4k mah battery and logitech dose not say how big the 915 is. also keychron advertises 100h with rgb on low where as logi says 30h with rgb at 100% so unless you want to spend a bunch of time testing both out we wont know. i expect the 915 to out perform the keychron in connection distance just from the fact that the q6m is made of aluminum vs the plastic of the logi keychron advertises 1000hz polling on wired and 2.4ghz connection while 90hz on blutooth. the keychron uses via and launch software. via is open source and dose not require to run in the background. you can adjust setting by just going to the website and loading up a json file. logi uses their Ghub software a known resource hog. as for lighting yes the logi will have more lighting options since its a "gamer" keyboard. via is limited on their "rgb" control but its an open source project so if the community wanted to they could implement stuff. as for the typing here is where the keychron shines. its a custom board for a reason. its full metal body offers a sturdy and planted feel while its gasket mounting allows the keys to have a softer "springy" feel if your a heavy typer. now the customizability comes in. if you dont like the way the switches feel, you can just replace them without having to disassemble. just use the included tool to pull the key caps off and pull the switches out and replace them with what you want. also this goes for sound too. the keychron boards are designed to be pulled apart and you can add or remove foam to your liking. want a louder board? remove foam. want a more poppy sound add 2 layers of masking tape to the back of the pcb want your keyboard to be silent just install some silent switches. want your rgb to be brighter install switches with led defusers or replace keycaps with pudding caps. want ultra fast response on the keys you use for gaming? add short travel "speed" switches to those keys. they are designed to give you options without having to buy a whole new board. the via software also offers macro support and multi layers of keys. if logi made a keyboard to the same standards as your average low mid tier custom (keychron is the "good enough" in the custom scene) it would be 500usd. other 'gaming" company's are starting to dip their toes into the custom market (razer and asus) but they still are not there yet. but maybe jay will do a follow up video after he has had some time to use the keychron. or perhaps not. its up to him
@@zomgz932 first of all, thank you for your ultra detailed feedback on product specs and for your polite tone of voice.
I need to clarify one thing only , my issue was the usage of the word " garbage" in the click bait title. If the keychron is better or same or worse than the G 915, it is another story - one that Jay didn't cover in this product presentation.
Personally I am not into custom keycap keyboards and for the time being I am more than satisfied with Logitech`s offerings in G 915. So, since don't identify as a fanboy , I would honestly had no issues if G 915 underperformed any other similar type keyboards including this one.
I just found disturbing , dishonest and unethical the usage of the term "Garbage" when not even bothering to provide a side by side comparison of both mentioned products.
What made it even worse to my eyes was the fact that Jay praised intensively G 915 some time ago, leading his fan base towards a purchase decision.
So how are we gonna take Jay's words and reviews seriously if he doesn't even honor his own reviews? I will not, for sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if few months from now we ll get another click bait title saying " keychron was garbage, X product is now my fav keyboard". I would , sincerely, have the same reaction.
In the end of the day, this was just a cheap attempt to bait us into watching the video.
@@theburton8718 i think the reason jay would call the logi garbage is it being its build quality. Its an expensive board that feels like a 50$ amazon board. Hell compare an eppomaker to the logi build wise the eppo wins at nearly all price points. I give logi props on their tech. Their wireless is top tier but i have a royal kludge that feels better than my $100+ logi. Just saying logi needs to up their game or lower prices.
17:32 one thing you have to know about south facing rgb is it's because of the switches orientation. If the switch is in south facing style, the south part of it is actually the softly angled part. That soft angle aligns with the keycaps soft angle at the south part of the keycaps. This makes it so that the keycap only hits the top part of the switch's body and apparently makes the more deeper sound. If the pcb has north facing style, the switches will be flipped and the soft angled part of the keycap can hit (doesn't happen all the time and it depends on what keycap style) the right angle part of the of the switch's body and makes a higher ping sound. I'm also new to this keyboard thing and as a gamer I noticed that the priority is sound before rgb.
I prefer North faced, but most of the times they come with no shine through key caps, so RGB is useless. But I have a monitor bar with LED, so I disabled the RGB.
Jay, in case you read my comment, as @WaaMac previously mentioned, the keyboard is gasket-mounted, which explains the slight flex-it's a design choice. If you're considering alternatives that align with your preferences mentioned in the review, I recommend checking out the Keychron K10 Max.
It's a robust keyboard with a classic mounting style (zero flex), no knob, additional foam and silicone for excellent noise suppression, and-best of all-it's made of high-quality plastic, which significantly reduces its price compared to the Q6.
I recently purchased the K10 Max, and I think it's an outstanding keyboard for its price-a true masterpiece!
I'm torn between this Q6 vs the K10 :/
@@samuelm5140 What has you torn? I just recently went through this same issue earlier this week when deciding between the V6 Max and the K10 Max. (ending up getting the Q6 Max so I can speak to all 3 choices, I feel like)
@@JaimeDenizard so I have the K10 Pro already and I'm looking to get another for work. I like the additional connectivity option, so I've decided on a MAX version.
I'm a fairly heavy typist and heard that gasket mounting provides a softer experience, but the flex that Jay demonstrates looks excessive and distracting. I read that it's somewhat common to have issues with VIA recognizing the board which is essential to me. I've had absolutely no issues with my K10 Pro, so I'm torn between trying something new (Q6M) vs sticking to what I know (K10M).
@@samuelm5140 If you're happy with a K10 Pro, I don't see a need to spend the extra money to go for a Q6 Max, specially not for a work keyboard. Just get the K10 Max.
Hi Jay, I'm glad you're having a good experience switching mechanical keyboard brands, because it seems we had the same issues with the same brand. In my case, it was a refurbished G512 that broke the LED on the “Z” key after two months of use.
At least it was still under warranty and I was able to exchange it, but after that I started looking beyond commercial keyboard brands and replaced it with an AULA F99. It was a bit more expensive and has an all-plastic build, but it's better than any keyboard LOGITECH sells right now: 8000mAh battery, wireless and Bluetooth, USB C, PBT keycaps, RGB, and hot-swappable switch.
The truth is that it's time to look at other peripheral brands because they offer better quality and many more features than the most recognized manufacturers who seem to have been determined to ask for more but not improve quality or offer more for what they sell.
3:48 That "Blue" keycap IS grey
nah mate thats blue, for sure...
@@Xenoray1 looked white and gold to me
It has clearly visible blue tint.
It's a blueish shade of grey.
In guy colors, it is indeed grey. The enter key was "blue".
I splurged on a Keychron K10 during lockdown since I was working from home and didn't have to worry about gas money for several months. It was glorious. I loved being able to swap JUST my Caps Lock and Num Lock for clicky switches so I get that tactile bump and an audible click when I tap them but everything else is linear. it's so nice.
Also, thanks to your videos I've finally decided to build my own system this Christmas. I grabbed all my components during the early Black Friday sales and I'll be diving in once everything arrives. Wish me luck!!
Solid choice, I switched to a Keycron a couple of years ago, got a TKL for my gaming set up and another full size board for my workstation.
Not sure where all the hate for the G815/G915 comes from. I've had the G815 for a couple years now and it is solid. I've fully yanked the entire keyset twice for cleaning and everything is still as smooth as brand new. No issue with key clips, no wobbles and no flex. The very best part of the G815 is the low-profile keys and Keychron has no competitor for the G815 on that feature. Everything is subjective and tastes vary, but the hate bandwagons are just silly.
I love mine as well. My 915 is great and I do a Lot of typing for Post Grad Research and lots of gaming too. It's damn near perfect.
@@Dosudro The reason I wouldn't support Logitech is because of how scummy they are with their new products. Plus the old ones are just inferior and outdated now. Actually, the new products are inferior/outdated AND badly priced. If you haven't tried a good mechanical keyboard, then you simply don't know what you are missing out on.
Like other comments mentioned, the flexing is intended. It makes for a softer typing experience. Keychron has variants that aren't gasket mounted and so don't flex. Meanwhile, you can easily flex the whole case of Logitech keyboards where it's not intended, but just a mark of poor case quality.
As for low profile - Keychron does have low profile keyboards and they are better while being cheaper. Low profile keyboards are not unique at all.
i had one a couple years, it worked and the switches were great, also i came from laptop so the low profile was awesome.
problem is, the proprietary key caps are TRASH, the software can be really shit even for bloat (good interface but annoying behavior and obtuse settings)
after a couple years with it that thing rattled like a cheap morocca, even worse than a 5 year old ewaste keyboard i had for something else.
Returned my G915 because the software support is garbage. I need true onboard macro storage and the G915 doesn't support that without software installed.
@@lycanthossI don’t think you’ve ever held a Logitech keyboard. The whole case of my G915 does not flex lol. They feel just as good as any other mechanical keyboard. Stop combining your hate for the company with their product. The product is good
For those Jayz viewers that don't want to spend $250 or right now for Black Friday $185, I can wholeheartedly recommend since I own both and multiples of both, The keycron V6 Max. It is a plastic body but has nearly no flex and has all the same features as the Q it's just not made of aluminum. It's priced just around or usually under $100.
I came here to say this. I wholeheartedly agree with this recommendation and on top of that I must point out that the V6 Max even has something the Q6 Max doesn't have! The V6 Max has two 2.4 GHz receivers (a USB-A one and a USB-C one) and it also has magnetic storage slots for them built into the board!
@@JaimeDenizard I'm a little disappointed he didn't go over certain places to go to get new key switches. I have several of those as well.
i'd say instead of going q series just got monsgeek m series. has all the same features with the aluminum case and is cheaper.
Not sure if this has been mentioned
Q6 MAX comes with a PC plate which is rather soft and flexible. Changing the plate to something stiffer could give it more consistent bounce.
Changing the plate also affects the sound as you type. It could make it higher pitch ("clack") or low pitch ("thock").
Changing the switches if you want something more, or less tactile. If you want a heavier more resistant switch, or a lighter less resistant switch. Switch material also changes the sound.
Changing the keycaps further changes the sound signature.
In essence, you pick the format that fits your needs (full size)
Next "goal" people aim for, more/better RGB, or improve the sound to your preference, or change how it feels to type.
You could also expand into other keyboard layouts. 1800 for example is slightly more compact but still has a number pad. The QK100 is a great 1800 layout keyboard. Another 1800 layout that could be considered is the Feker Alice 98 Pro. Even though it is plastic, this is a tented Alice style keyboard that is more ergonomic to type on. Extending ergonomics further, there are alice, split keyboards, ortholinear, dactyl and more.
The rabbit hole can be very deep if you choose to jump in.
Yeah I've also relucantly bought this keyboarad several months ago. I was really hesitant, because I'm quite picky when it comes to mice and keyboards but I absolutely love it.
I got my first Keychron keyboard at the start of September. (the K10 Pro - essentially the same as Jay's wireless board without the dial) It was on sale at Micro Center for $100. Hooked it up to my work PC because of how great it felt to type on. Since then, I've replaced a few old Logitech boards, using a C2 Pro (full-size) and a couple of C3 Pros (TKL). I suspect they come set up for Mac because having to swap some keycaps might be asking too much from the typical Mac user... I've had problems with the VIA website recently too, so thanks for showing the other site. That worked perfectly.
Keychron V1 was my first from them, amazing quality and thock even as their entry level
Quick Tip: the Mac/Windows switch toggles between layers that are configurable. So You can reconfigure your Mac mode to be customized for a purpose. For example a game mode with useful functions grouped around the navigation keys, or a creator could have hot keys for an application they constantly use.
Should look at the Q5 Max for the knob being in the proper position which is on the far right. I looked at this keyboard and then found the Q5 Max and bought that one instead.
The main reason for South Facing LEDs is actually to avoid keycap interference.
Cherry Profile keycaps have problem with Short stem itches when put in a North facing configuration. When this happens the inner front face of the key will slam into the south facing part of the switch before the switch fully bottoms out. Since Cherry profile Keycaps are one of the most popular this led to a number of companies moving to south facing switch configurations.
There was a lot of experimentation including making the keycaps thinner but in the end everything was a compromise and since a lot of Keyboard Enthusiasts didn't care about illuminated keys, this ended up being the final solution to the problem. It was something I really had to adjust too when I got into custom keyboards. I came to really like side printed keycaps but I know a lot of people don't.
Regardless, Keychron was a great choice. They are my go to recommendation and I have 3 or 4 floating around the house with a K1 HE from the kickstarter being delivered Monday.
Also that flex is intentional. Most people prefer around that level since it reduces strain when typing for long periods of time. But it is very subjective and just depends on preference. There are a number of ways to reduce or even remove the flex completely.
Not a keyboard modder. I mod enough stuff in my life. I bought a G915 TKL after I had shoulder surgery so I could keep gaming. I liked it so much after I recovered, I went and bought the full size one for my gaming PC, and put the TKL on my Plex server.
a buttery gasket mounted keeb with a pp plate, force break and tape mod, good stabs, will literally make your quality of life go up
I bought the V6 earlier this year, which is kinda the wired version of what you got. It is my first fully mechanical and hot-swappable keyboard and I don't think I could be happier with my purchase. I got the barebones version and got silent keychron brown switches with a set of cherry profile double-shot pbt caps colored royal blue. Altogether, it was only about $115 or so, not too bad for a good entry mechanical and customizable keyboard.
Oh no Jay. Turn back. Noooo. Don't do it. I started with one, just one little custom keyboard. What harm could a little 60% keyboard do. 10 months later I own 20 custom keyboards. How did this happen. I sold 5 of them why do still have so many, why do I have 3 of the same kind just because I wanted different colors themes and aesthetics. Why do I keep switching out switches. I just wanted a nice keyboard and something to keep me busy while I recovered after surgery.... 😭😰 Oh yeah if you guys want a great and cheap gasket mount keyboard get a Zuoya GMK67 (Aliexpress $37) and pair it with some gateron ks-3x1 milky yellow (amazon $16) or WS Morandi (amazon $31) switches if you're feeling a little fancy. Top it of with some cherry profile PBT keycaps(amazon $10-30).
It is really awesome that you are sharing your experience with the board. I would like to see more about this if you decide to modify it in any way.
'Garbage' 915?? Lmao OK mate...
The line about going back to 60 fps and it feeling gross is a great analogy.
The flex is by design.. its called "gasket mount" and wanted that way xD
I have the Wooting 60HE and 80HE with the L60v2 switches and PBT keycaps.
I really enjoy them and can just confirm, that a lot of ppl dont know what they are missing out on.
Its also the first time i started modding/working on my keyboards, i handlubed all the L60v1.5 switches of my 60HE to make it sound and feel better and replaced the 60g springs in my 80HE with 80g ones xD
The Lekker V2s dont need extra lubing, since their tolerances are way better than the V1(.5)s
for the fullsize one, Q6 is one of the top contenders
and the squishy part is actually a feature since the mounting style uses gaskets, putting some foam under the pcb will remove it if you want a stiffer keyboard
if you want to upgrade, Luminkey98 is a nice option. it can be configured into southpaw for the numpad
As someone who works from home, mostly from my couch in a darkened room with a projector, poor backlighting is one of my pet peeves. It's a combination of two different (mostly industry-wide) decisions.
First, South-facing LEDs (at the bottom) are generally preferred because orienting the switches the other way can cause interference (scratching) with Cherry-profile keycaps.
Second, keycap legends, for some reason, tend to be in the NorthWest of the key. This puts them on the wrong side of the key for the backlight to shine through, if the LEDs are South-facing.
There are two solutions. First is to flip the switch orientation (North-facing LEDs), and risk interference with Cherry-profile keycaps (which will limit your keycap choices). Most keyboard enthusiasts don't like this, as they tend to prefer having more keycap options over using backlighting.
The other solution would require keycap manufacturers to make keycaps with legends in the Southern part of the keycap. There are some that have front-facing legends (you mentioned these), but just having the option of SouthWest legends (like some of the older Apple keyboards had) would solve this as well. But SouthWest legends are quite rare in keycaps, let alone *good* shine-through ones.
And that's not getting into the materials available for shine-through being rather sub-optimal for contrast in different lighting conditions.
I love watching someone who doesn't really know keyboards, discover keyboards in a new way. I would love to see Jay do a collab with a Keyboard UA-camr, there has to be a couple near him...Hipyo is a bit far, but maybe could fly down for a weekend or something?
hipyo's a loose cannon and tto much for jay, lol, he'll be putting lava in the tray,lmao!!!!!! ahhhhh yeahhhh
That would be an... Interesting video. I don't see their personalities meshing well at all. And I am subscribed to both. Although they do both love music so....
@@mainsource8030 that's what would make it fun! I mean, Jay can get a little crazy with his experiments and modding at times, so why not see what happens lol
@@Azreal34 Yeah, but they both have that wild crazy experimental mindset at times, so it might be fun. I'm sure there has to be someone closer to Jay though. I'd be happy to see a collab with someone in the Keeb space either way.
@@mr.guillotine1312 Agreed. I feel like this is how it all starts. Those of us already sucked into the hobby are looking and just thinking that Jay has no idea what he has gotten himself into! LOL
I love Custom keyboards. The community is an interesting one though. that is for sure.
Honestly Jay, where you go from here is up to you! I would try out some different switches and higher quality keycaps if it were me. Maybe some other styles of keycap profile (that aren't SA since you weren't a fan of those). There's also loads of options out there for switches especially, each with their own nuances. Personally I love my Kailh Box Royals, which are a hyper-tactile switch. Don't be afraid to explore!
What was wrong with the G915? I'm using a full one right now that I've had for 2-3 years and I absolutely love it. I loaded all my custom features onto its internal memory and even deleted the Logitech software completely. It runs light and bug free with the longevity and stability I'd expect. Battery lasts a long time even after years, never have connection issues, wired is also fine. The only singular complaint I could think of would be that the extra functions and symbols aren't backlit. But the macros, connection, lighting buttons, additional keys, and media controls are wonderful. I have G4 and G5 mapped to shift and control so I don't mistakenly press the wrong button while gaming. I'd probably also change the plug design so it can't get damaged while playing wired, but I haven't damaged mine after all this time so there's that.
He just wanted something different. I also have been using a G915 (TKL) for years and I'm already looking for custom options. Never had issues with the Logitech, battery lasts loooong (always used it wireless), but it is not as customizable in terms of switches (they are not hot swappable) and keycaps. Ultimately I want to try other brands/switches/keycaps and the difference it makes on feel and sound, also look at other software.
I think it's crazy the G915 isn't customizable at that price point.
A few things. The extra flex in the corners is intentional. It helps to keep those keys from causing extra ping in the metal case. The relevance of south facing LED’s is because some north facing LED’s, cherry profile keycaps interfere with them and crunch when you press them. If you want to use pudding keycaps, look for switches that are fully transparent and/or have diffusers inside them.
Just the beginning of the custom keyboard rabbit hole. They make big-box keyboards look completely obsolete.
Don't underestimate the joy of typing on a GOOD keyboard. Especially the feel and sound. I bought one for like $70 with a super creamy sound when typing, internal foam, great bounce, and quality keycaps. I type all day for my work, and I get so much joy using it. Don't overlook this part of your setup IF you type a lot!
This is a sincere question although I'm sure I'm still going to get blasted by some people for asking this but; What is the point of spending this much on a keyboard? What extra functionality does this type of keyboard give you? I mean besides just being able to say I spent an insane amount of money on my keyboard what is the point? Honestly!!!!
I have not used a mechanical keyboard in years. Regardless, some people prefer mechanical keyboards because of the key feel and the sound (click) that they make when typing. It is more about form than function.
At this point there really is not much point in spending so much money on a mechanical keyboard, they have been around for years and they have not changed much, there are many switch options also so you can often retrofit replacement switches and get a ''new'' feel and sound on your older mechanical keyboard. People really should be looking more at hall effect keyboards now, they range in price from cheap to expensive but offer a genuinely new operation to the board since the keys are analogue... reminds me of the old ps2 controllers except those controllers had pressure modulating buttons wheras magnetic keyboards today are not pressure based but travel based. So that would be how i spend my money on a keyboard today and indeed have done. New switch design, new features ( like being able to set in software your actuation point ) etc. With mechanical boards i feel like you are paying more for design and build quality, the latter of which being of lesser importance i feel in this instance since it is just sitting static in front of you, it really needs not deal with harsh conditions. You can often tell the difference between an expensive well made board and a cheap one though, often even in the first few seconds of using one.
@@jinx20001 I use hall effect controllers I'm actually sponsored by a company that provides those!!!!
@@MrTubbyTubb76 nice, get one in and check it out :) if they do them ofcourse.
Went from a Corsair K70 RGB MK2 to a Keychron K10 with Gateron Milky Yellow Pro switches and Keychron morse code keycaps.
Filled the backplate with eva foam, checked and lubed the stabilizers and tape-modded the pcb and It feels and sounds so much better to me than the Corsair ever did.
I ended up buying another one for work and went for Coral Silent linear switches to make sure it was tolerable for my colleagues.
One of my Keyboards is the K70 MAX. I'll never use a mechanical keyboard again. Hall >>> everything else.
@JayzTwoCents Long time listener, first time caller. I'm glad you like the keyboard, but this video title is like super, super misleading, and it sounds like you bought into some other people's opinions as fact. Keychron is great, but the Q6 Max and the G915 are both similar quality products with similar-quality copies of Cherry switches, with the primary difference being that the G915 is low-profile.
I strongly prefer low-profile switches, because I'm more used to that form factor after years on a laptop, so I like the typing experience of the G915 much, much better than any other mechanical I've used, including the Keychron products I've demoed. It sounds like you have the opposite experience but are using subjective impressions of the experience as indicators of actual quality. Check out Rtings take on the two closest products, the regular G915 and the Q5 Max. The ratings are very similar, save for notes about the short throw of the Kailh switches, which is intended for a nice typing experience for people who like low-profile.
I'm not a massive keyboard snob, although in the last four years I have bought two with a third on the way, and I don't really follow mechanical keyboards outside of 75% sized ones, but $250 seems like a lot for an entry level keyboard. I currently have an ND75 which has an anodized aluminum case, 2.4Ghz and 3 channel BT wireless, a little customizable LCD screen, toolless disassembly via a ball catch system and lots of other nice features and it was about $100. I feel like you could find something even better than your keychron for less than you spent if you did some research. A lot of keyboard youtubers I follow have been talking about how there's been a race to the bottom in the hobby with keyboards that would have cost hundreds a couple years ago selling for $100-$150 today. Granted a lot of the time these keyboards are only available through group buys but still. Anyway, great video, glad to see you give the world of mechanical keyboards a shot.
Jay how do you like the edifier speakers ?
Mid. Get proper monitor speakers not cheap gamery cra p that cost 10 cents on the dollar to make.
As a keyboard nerd, would love to see you try some modding, like tape modding or force breaking or something. Especially with the board you have now (15:15) theres a very noticeable twang, especially in the space bar. Doing some very cheap mods would most likely help you achieve the goal of all keyboard enthusiasts…the THOC
I got the Wooting 80HE this tuesday, I can recommend it to anyone. (already had the 60HE before that)
It definetly sounds better then the Keychron... the 80HE is much lower pitched.
@@gucky4717 this is very subjective to be honest
Wooting response it's freaking cool
I have the 60HE as well
First time gaming fps I was amazed
@@angeloaraya8157 speed yes, the technology is somehow superior. But feel and sound is arguably worse for the majority of people, and it doesn't feel as premium as other similar priced kits. It really comes down to how much you really want the hall effect switches and the best software around to properly tailor them on your needs which of course is worth someting
@@oimazzo2537 You mean the sound? Not really. I know that the sound from the keyboard in the video is louder then in person.
I've had several keyboard now. From the old rubberdome, to blue and brown clicky switches, to linear silver/red and now 2x wootings with 60 Lekker v1 and v2 and my 80HE with v2 is the first one without any high pitch/ping sounds. Only the spacebar is a bit high sounding, but the others are more like thock.
The only other that came close was a low profile rubberdome keyboard.
Between the 60HE with plastic case and the 80HE with zinc case now is also a big sound difference.
I got myself a Q1 HE and I'm delighted. I have considered the Wooting 80HE but the waiting time, the fact that it is not wireless and overpriced made me buy the Keychron. And I couldn't be happier.
Don't start modding it. It's a rabbit hole that you don't need to go down, you will loose touch with society and your family will leave you.
welcome to the world of real mechanical keyboards
or not ^^
He's going to mod it so hard into a 'ship of Theseus' level of no-return
I got the 915 X Lightspeed and thought it was a great purchase due to your glowing review of it.
That being said, I've had it for a few weeks and absolutely love it.
This is the most unpinned comment ever! Best regards from Norway and my R9 290 GPU!!
I just switched from my Logitech G915 as well and picked up a Keychron V6 Max, liked it so much ended up getting the Keychron Q6 Max, also got a Q1 Max on the way. Currently using a Wooting Two HE. The keyboards are adding up within the past 2 months of switching to an actual mechanical keyboard after using "Gaming" keyboards for the past 20 years 🤓
Still using my Logitech G19 from back in 2010 :)
I had a Logitech wireless that was set up so that the key caps home are curved to fit your fingers a little bit better it had a nice little leather Edge on the end so I didn't necessarily need a keyboard rest but when I went to replace it with another one that I had bought I bought two at one time it had keys that would stick and drive me crazy.
If you like the low profile nature of G915, Keychron also has low profile series: any K-series with odd number is low profile, they use a similar set of switches as G915 but with much better mounting stems, and aftermarket keycaps are available for them + you can also swap them for other low profile switches
I bought a G915 because Jay said it was good, now its garbage?
nope, what he bought is garbage :D
I think he just turned the click bait dial too far here. The g915 is great. It's just not an enthusiast board you can tinker with like this
G915 is good but not 200$ good and you can't change a thing, I broke my F5 key and can't change it easily. On the other hand, the Keychron is pretty good for its price and you can upgrade/customize the part you want, all the part are standard.
I got my g915 from Amazon for 80 dollars
both are garbage
i love seeing this. im like 5% keyboard snobby (basically 6 months ahead of where jay is) and i love seeing him travel this arc. i cant wait til he realizes how much nicer the gaskets make long typing sessions!
So you’ve used and preached the G915 for a couple years now and now it’s garbage?
Currently using the Q1 HE and it’s a fantastic keyboard. Keychron is a great middle ground for going from your run of the mill Razer, Logi etc to custom.
Just wanted to add Keychron has amazing customer service. Somehow my type C port got ripped out and they sent me a PCB board for a replacement free!
I originally wanted to go for the G915X to replace my G915, but your video gave me the push to switch to this board. :)
I have it since several weeks now and I am absolutely loving it.
I have the metal frame version as well, but with ASA style keycaps and Gateron Red linear switches - it is an absolute dream for both gaming and regular use!
All I know is is POE2 looks amazing and D4BAD
Keyboards don't really matter in modding past the barebone features you get. Like additional keys, RGB and media controls.
It's getting nitty gritty with the switches, keycaps, springs, padding, dampeners, O-rings, ect that are where things really get interesting.
(Recommend getting a switch tester to get started!)
I have a Corsair K95 RGB Platinum where I desoldered the switches, swapped out for Cherry MX Greys, swapped the springs out for 200g ones, lubed them, added foam, soldered back in and swapped out the keycaps for PBT Doubleshot pudding caps from Amazon (different from the ones shown) and the keyboard feels solid, perfect for my hands and legit $200+ more "premium" than what it was at stock.
So the more fun you have and experiment with, the more you get out.
You got a keyboard that went from poor to awful brand
Good luck.
Keychron has a widespread issue with retyping itself with their various model, and many users have spoken about it in forums. I am one of those who has experienced it.and some people even experienced problems with the short battery lifeThese are just beginner keyboards.
The majority of keychron keyboards use heavy tactile switches that resemble clicky switches in sound.
For those searching for mechanical keyboards, get brands like Nuphy or Monsgeek which used linear switches that most keyboard user prefered
And i will wait two years before u says that some individuals are correct regarding the keyboard once more.🤣🤣🤣
100% monetized and sponsored video
Keychron is a trash brand. My Keychron battery died just more than a year after the warranty term. Full charge only lasts 1 hour plus before it indicates battery drain again plug it in to charge again and it lasts another 1 hour. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
@@ChiaYoo 🤣🤣🤣
While i don't know much about keyboards specifically (i run a G915 lol) Jay is required to and always does say in the video that it's sponsored when it's sponsored.
@@MakavelliFH What will he do next now that he's discovered Keychron is a terrible brand?Will he boycott and ban the brand, as he did with the Asus Thermaltake?
@vibr0314 possibly, i don't know. Guess we will find out when and if that happens!
I have the Q12 Southpaw carbon black and it is amazing! The quality and build is very good. I like how a lot of these companies are making custom out-of-the-box keyboards (with lubed switches, gasket mounts, foam, good quality stabilizers) for the ones who don't have the patience to build their own. Of course nothing beats a fully custom keyboard but these are still pretty dang good.
I am glad people are finally starting to strafe away from typical gaming keyboards. Having bought a lot of them, they are a complete waste of money. I am currently on a Keychron Q1 Max and it was by far the best purchase. You can tune it to feel and sound as you like, it offers multiple ways to connect and best of all, if any switch dies, you just replace it within 10s and you are good to go. I had 2 of my razer keyboards thrown away because some switches failed over time, at which point it becomes unusable. Not to mention, the keychron is built LIKE A TANK, while also being cheaper.
It's sooo funny to me how a newbie can be so thrilled about the aluminium enclosure of a proper keyboard.
To me it's normal, but it really goes to show that I take this quality feel for granted, or that other people are just oblivious to decent build quality.
Welcome to the world of custom keyboards Jay , Keychron is a really good start , if i may suggest something ... you can change the switches for the (Wuque Morandi switches they come prelubed) -(and you can change the stabilizers for some Durock V3 but you also have to buy a Krytox lube and lube them yourself) also you can add 1 or 2 layers of tape on the back of the PCB and you succesfully made your keyboard sound and feel a million times better.
My G915 TKL was absolutely amazing.... for about 15 months.
The low profile switches are wobbly in the chassis, the keycaps are coated (rather than not doubleshot) which rubs off with regular use, and the keycaps use two thin little plastic clips which dont last long either.
RMA and got the G715 TKL instead. Its feels significantly more durable, virtually no wobble, and uses proper keycaps.
G915X apparently addresses these common issues of the G915, I'm half tempted to pick one up and retire the G715.
I recently picked up the budget wired version of this keyboard, the V6, and I'm in love with it. Hot swappable switches (I like these K Pro Browns a lot anyways), fully programmable, knob with push, 4 extra keys above numpad, its basically everything I could want from a keyboard. Been buying cheap sets of keycaps in different profiles, trying to decide what shape I want when I finally decide to get a nice set. OEM and Cherry profiles have been ruled out and I'm leaning towards DSA but wanna try a few more before dropping real money on a bunch of luxury plastic.
About VIA: I was having the same issue until I randomly decided to try it in Chrome instead of Firefox and it worked like a charm ever since. So now Chrome is my dedicated keyboard remapping software with VIA as the homepage ahah
I have a Q6, and out of the box I couldn't get the knob to press properly. After I put a layer of foam below the PCB everything was properly placed. That's all you need to do. Also, Don't update the firmware pass 1.4 unless you don't mind your RGB being interrupted because of the numlock.
Your love for the 915 in your previous videos makes me wonder why use this title in this one. Not very consistent...
I rotate in an older Q6 in with a bunch of other keyboards in my stable - definitely a great full size option, one of my favorites! My only major complaint and big upgrade I made was to fix the typing angle. Pick up a $12 set of 1.25" rubber dome isolation pads and use two of them to prop it up to a better (imo) angle. And for an easy upgrade to the sound, can definitely recommend doing a "tape mod". i.e. just line the back of the pcb with 2 or 3 layers of painters tape. You'll be surprised at the difference - usually an improvement.
for the q6 max, you can extend the factory force break mod, though it won't do much. the tempest mod can also change the sound profile, and the most egregious offender on the board is the stabilizers. I chose to go with the swag keys knights v2 for my stabilizers. I personally swapped my Keychron Jupyter Banana switches for Durock T1 Silent Shrimps because I prefer tactile switches, but my wife hates the noise of keyboards. welcome to the q6 max fam!
Thanks for the review. I bought a WASD Keyboards full size keyboard many years ago and it was about $200. Your Keychron looks like a good deal for the money. I think my next mechanical keyboard will be a split model, like the ZSA Voyager or Moonlander, or go wild with the Moergo Glove80. The split keyboards are supposed to be better at reducing repetitive strain injury (and I've had coworkers who said their split keyboards completely relieved their RSI)
Flex used to be associated of being a cheap product. These days, for custom keyboard enthusiast, it really doesn't matter anymore as it is based on preference. I personally type fast (160 wpm), so the flex actually helps ease my finger pressure down when typing.
I picked up one of the low profile Keychron models, it feels similar to the Logitech, but hopefully won't start failing for no reason after just a year or two like Logitech products do. Plus, it has swappable switches! I was really happy with the purchase after a couple of weeks of use. I am also grateful to commenters letting me know the keyboard flex is by design! LOL
I work in Film Production. I do on-set and post-production work. I own three of these. And I've given one as a gift to a work colleague. To my taste, this particular model is the best keyboard I've ever used. It's perfect for Mac use and I will never go back to to the Apple Wireless keyboard ever again; so much so that I'm making one of Snazzy Labs Wireless Touch ID buttons by deconstructing one of the many Apple Wireless Keyboards I own, just to compliment my Q6M. This thing is a tank.
People actually prefer south lit rgb because north lit can interfere with certain style of key caps so with south lit you have a larger variety of key caps you can use.
Great to hear about your experience with the Q6. I started with the Keychron K4 to try the 96% layout for work and overall like it.
And then the rabbit hole opened up. 😅 I chased a K3 JIS to better learn to type Japanese as I learn the language, experimented with the Q0 Pro, and now replaced a Corsair K95 Platinum with the Lemokey L3. I'll be changing over the Kailth Copper switches on that board. But now that I've tried other silent switches... I'm in deep bros. 😔
I've been using my K70 from Corsair for roughly 10 years now; never had any issues with it. Only thing I've changed or added are pudding style key-caps which made the lighting look amazing.
I bought one a few months back. It's honestly such a great option for a fully assembled keyboard. I am someone who uses the 10key regularly. So i was so happy to find a full keyboard option. This is my entry into the "Modable" keyboard world. I personally think it's just right for me.
I upgraded to this exact same keyboard a few months ago from a Logitech G series and love it! Just on your issue with VIA not connecting, I ran into the same thing and noticed the website was reporting some errors.
Fix for that was to remove my keyboard from the USB hub I was using and plug it directly into the PC and VIA was able to connect immediately.
A fellow dual Q6 owner! I have one with the knob one without but both have the same silent Akko Fairy liner switches. Its a great Zombie apocalypse weapon, edges are pretty pointy.
The bounce you mention is the gasket which is to dampen/soften the typing so its a little less fatiguing. You can change up the plate to help stiffen it so an aluminum or brass one would help.
Also, saving weight!?! BLASHPHEMY! Add more! remove the battery get some fishing shot or wheel weight an chuck them in there one of mines closer to 3Kg Home has some Traitors Infinity keycaps but I'm waiting on the Atlantis set. and work has the Ducky Fallout set.
Welcome to the slippery slope of mechanical keyboards!