Paul's basis for his prohibition in 1 Tim 2:12 is grounded in the created order of v13-14. With the Greek word γάρ (for) Paul is giving his reason for what he said in v12. Namely, the order of creation as a signal of leadership (Adam before Eve) as well as the vulnerability of Eve as a woman unprotected against the serpent. Paul is saying the created order itself explains that Women are not to be teaching and having authority in God's church, and an illustration of that is seen in the very deception of Eve, when Adam shirked his responsibility to lead Eve his wife was deceived and fell into transgression.
Judah is wrong on 1 Tim 2:12 not being about the gathered assembly.. 1. The context of 1 Tim 2 is clearly gathered worship. He spends the entire chapter giving orders for what should go on in the church - intercession and prayers for kings, how men should pray, how women should dress and behave, how women should learn, and finally what a woman cannot do, teach and exercise authority over a man. The word "Teach" διδάσκειν in the Nt and in the Pauline letters always refers to the positive teaching of the gospel or doctrine. Meaning women cannot function as an elder, the who who teaches and has authority in the church. 2. After establishing the behavior of persons in the church , he goes on in chp 3 to establish qualifications for who can lead the church. The immediate and broader context making 1 Tim 2 about the church gathering is clear.
Judah is also straight up wrong with what he said about the word "man" ἀνδρός in 2:12 having the sole meaning of "husband." f you look up the word ἀνήρ (man) you will see it is used interchangeably in the NT for both "man" and "husband" based on the context. The same is true about "woman" γυνή.
It’s painful to watch you guys fumble around reading random verses. If you have genuine questions and really actually want to learn, you should get an egalitarian scholar on to ask your questions too (that previous egal guy was all over the place didn’t seem like his field of study) maybe have a woman on?? Since you’re deciding what woman can and can’t do. But just as an observation you guys give the impression that you want woman to remain under men
Would be more than happy to have an egalitarian woman scholar on. We’ve tried endlessly. If you know of anyone we ought to reach out to, we’d love to try to book that interview.
Childbirth here refers to the curse from Genesis ....later her desire to rule her husband like sins desire to rule Caine chapt 5
Paul's basis for his prohibition in 1 Tim 2:12 is grounded in the created order of v13-14. With the Greek word γάρ (for) Paul is giving his reason for what he said in v12. Namely, the order of creation as a signal of leadership (Adam before Eve) as well as the vulnerability of Eve as a woman unprotected against the serpent. Paul is saying the created order itself explains that Women are not to be teaching and having authority in God's church, and an illustration of that is seen in the very deception of Eve, when Adam shirked his responsibility to lead Eve his wife was deceived and fell into transgression.
Judah is wrong on 1 Tim 2:12 not being about the gathered assembly..
1. The context of 1 Tim 2 is clearly gathered worship. He spends the entire chapter giving orders for what should go on in the church - intercession and prayers for kings, how men should pray, how women should dress and behave, how women should learn, and finally what a woman cannot do, teach and exercise authority over a man. The word "Teach" διδάσκειν in the Nt and in the Pauline letters always refers to the positive teaching of the gospel or doctrine. Meaning women cannot function as an elder, the who who teaches and has authority in the church. 2. After establishing the behavior of persons in the church , he goes on in chp 3 to establish qualifications for who can lead the church. The immediate and broader context making 1 Tim 2 about the church gathering is clear.
Judah is also straight up wrong with what he said about the word "man" ἀνδρός in 2:12 having the sole meaning of "husband." f you look up the word ἀνήρ (man) you will see it is used interchangeably in the NT for both "man" and "husband" based on the context. The same is true about "woman" γυνή.
It’s painful to watch you guys fumble around reading random verses. If you have genuine questions and really actually want to learn, you should get an egalitarian scholar on to ask your questions too (that previous egal guy was all over the place didn’t seem like his field of study) maybe have a woman on?? Since you’re deciding what woman can and can’t do. But just as an observation you guys give the impression that you want woman to remain under men
Would be more than happy to have an egalitarian woman scholar on. We’ve tried endlessly. If you know of anyone we ought to reach out to, we’d love to try to book that interview.
@@BibledingersBeth Allison Barr for women. Terran Williams or Andrew Bartlett for men.
@@_shaylamarr we tried Beth Allison Barr. The other two are men 🤷🏼♂️