A spiritual gift most certainly would be verifiable, not easily falsifiable and definitely not for everyone...modern day tongues fall short of biblical concept of the tongues as gift of the Holy Spirit.
Thanks Bibledingers and Dr Aniol! Great insights from Dr Aniol on the reason for tongues. Regarding 1 Cor 14.2, I thought the explanation of the person speaking in tongue as speaking not to men but to God in was plausible, although I think Paul could be using irony (it could be interpreted as "to a god"). What are your thoughts on the mix of singular and plural tongues in 1 Cor 14 (singular tongue being translated as "unknown tongue"by KJV) ?
If tongues are still in use today I highly doubt they are tongues we hear in the charismatic church. The way they use it in the charismatic church doesn’t line up with scripture at all but they want us to believe them over Gods word.
We need to stop being so theoretical and intellectual, applying advanced theories that can’t be read or discerned from scripture, to find ways to substantiate cessationism. Let’s just read the scriptures! The plain reading of it is clear. We ARE to speak in tongues.
Dear brother I used to argue exactly the same as you are. The examples of tongues in Acts were always a foreign language. The verse you are quoting in its context is saying that if anyone speaks with no one to hear him, in his own language, that he is only speaking to God and it encourages his spirit but without benefiting the church whom it is meant to edify. It may encourage the speaker but it bears no fruit for the body, it’s not an endorsement of the practice but making the point that it isn’t the best gift.
And where in the bible is that sir because you said that when the bible canon is close the gift of tongues cease. That's your own opinion sir there's no biblical evedince that support what you said sir.
the evidence is that no one is speaking in languages today that were gifted... gibberish, is not the biblical version of tongues, and that kind of practice dates back to pagan practices. Why would the Holy Spirit grant something that has been around since before the church?
Excellent responses, brother Scott. God bless you greatly.
But much love for all of you brothers!
A spiritual gift most certainly would be verifiable, not easily falsifiable and definitely not for everyone...modern day tongues fall short of biblical concept of the tongues as gift of the Holy Spirit.
Thanks Bibledingers and Dr Aniol! Great insights from Dr Aniol on the reason for tongues. Regarding 1 Cor 14.2, I thought the explanation of the person speaking in tongue as speaking not to men but to God in was plausible, although I think Paul could be using irony (it could be interpreted as "to a god").
What are your thoughts on the mix of singular and plural tongues in 1 Cor 14 (singular tongue being translated as "unknown tongue"by KJV) ?
Unknown is not in the greek
I find it interesting that all the people who believe tongues are only human languages don't speak in tongues
The apostles did
@RabbiMurray Where in the in the bible did the apostles say tongues is only human languages?
If tongues are still in use today I highly doubt they are tongues we hear in the charismatic church. The way they use it in the charismatic church doesn’t line up with scripture at all but they want us to believe them over Gods word.
The people from surrounding areas in Acts 2 were Jews. Not Gentiles. So, this argument seems extra biblical and unnecessary.
Acts 2:5
Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
We need to stop being so theoretical and intellectual, applying advanced theories that can’t be read or discerned from scripture, to find ways to substantiate cessationism. Let’s just read the scriptures! The plain reading of it is clear. We ARE to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:2
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
Dear brother
I used to argue exactly the same as you are. The examples of tongues in Acts were always a foreign language. The verse you are quoting in its context is saying that if anyone speaks with no one to hear him, in his own language, that he is only speaking to God and it encourages his spirit but without benefiting the church whom it is meant to edify. It may encourage the speaker but it bears no fruit for the body, it’s not an endorsement of the practice but making the point that it isn’t the best gift.
And where in the bible is that sir because you said that when the bible canon is close the gift of tongues cease. That's your own opinion sir there's no biblical evedince that support what you said sir.
the evidence is that no one is speaking in languages today that were gifted... gibberish, is not the biblical version of tongues, and that kind of practice dates back to pagan practices. Why would the Holy Spirit grant something that has been around since before the church?