Are Trans Women Actually Women?
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Thank you, Dev, for the lovely video. I'm transgender (as you probably know) and I think the "trans women are women" statement is such a red herring. We're not women, but everyone knows that. You brought up that males suffering with gender dysphoria genuinely desire to be females, and that's 100% true. Transitioning to appear female is like a coping mechanism just to make existence bearable. None of us WANT to have to take hormones and get brutal surgeries to alleviate our dysphoria.
When people say that gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness, it's actually insulting. They think i would go through all of this hardship for the fun of it? My lord, gender dysphoria is pure mental anguish and it sickens me that idealogues drool at the thought of using us as their puppets. I just want to be left alone, and I want leftists to stop lying to people. They're making conservatives dislike us more than these conservatives ever did before.
I don't dislike you. I dislike teachers pushing it on children, I dislike it becoming a social - almost clique like - movement in teenagers, but I have no personal dislike for trans people in the slightest.
It's not really trans people pushing this. It's progressive morons.
I love this comment
I perscribe to the "female/male brain in a male/female body" for the reason. You can't help your brain is saying you're the opposite sex but you're not, at the end of the day, what's really at the end of the line of our sensory system? The brain of course, thus, we should identify people as what their brain says. As the brain makes up well who we are. This gets a bit close to the post modernist definition but instead of being destroying the definition of woman its going along the baser instinct of gender and what we intuitively feel it is for us.
You just have to be careful because modern progs use gender more as a title than to denote sex/behaviours, and not subscribing to the idea of genders as titles is what gets the arguments started and it kinda sucks.
The attempts at half-dodging acknowledging it as a mental illness and what that means for political reasons and (probably mainly) to soften the feeling of the topic in discussion distracts from trying to address it sincerely for what it is. It's sickening, though, to see people emulate politicians like it's acceptable behaviour or approach to thinking about topics; you aren't less of a person for being how you are, and there is always going to be people looking to use others in such situations for their own gain-- and nobody should be emulating this.
Edit: I do think that there are similar people in your position that are giving in to their emotional insecurities or instability and others are playing into that as well; the weak want to disconnect form reality when it's rough to accept, and someone else telling them it's okay to do so leaves us with individuals with dysphoria trying to force others to be accepted as women, guided by those without interest in their well-being, because they can't accept what you said. They want existence to be more than bearable, they want the satisfaction of being called what they want to be even if they cannot be.
I would imagine that you would want to be treated with the same respect as anyone else rather than pitied by people that couldn't possibly understand what you're going through.
Well no offense but trans seems to be a terrible way to deal with gender dysforia. We should rather look into ways to combat the dysforia itself.
>Are Trans Women Actually Women?
No. They're Trans Women, and that's okay.
Second question: What even is a transwoman?
Can someone who is happy with a fully functional male body (able to impregnate fertile women) be a transwoman?
Are those non- passing "you should see I'm a woman since I wear a dress" ‐ creeps really transwomen?
No.
If they were, you’d just call em women. Not trans women.
Godfather of Based right here
All I'm saying is that complaining about a lack of trans women representation would imply that they don't see trans women as women.
red cars aren't cars
@@eduardomartins701 Except when ppl cant identify your "red car" as even being a car at all and you need a sign saying "this is a car" stuck to it.
I’m an attack helicopter.
I love how "not passing" is big enough of an issue that we have to rebuild society from the ground up, meanwhile "being ugly" is a personal issue and I just need to get over it.
xD
same
Want to stop being ugly? Come over here kid, I got some hormones under my trenchcoat. You'll get a whole new life!
Of course men want to become women
Wait- is there a difference?
Au contraire, being ugly means pretty people have beauty privilege and you therefore still need to feel attracted to ugly people. Same with fat people and being unattracted being fatphobia. Its people that dont make an effort and want the effort be made by the other people. Laziness as social activism.
The problem with "trans women are women" is that it doesn't have a solid base to stand on. If your definition of the word "woman" is "someone who identifies as a woman", the word essentially becomes meaningless. It's like saying that a sailor is anyone who identifies as a sailor or that water is anything that looks like water. In other words, it's bullshit. Trans women are trans women, women are women, trans men are trans men, men are men. That's reality.
Yep we're trans women. Cis women are cis women. Linguistically we are under the umbrella of women. I don't define woman as someone who identifies as such. I think that is very roundabout. I also think that a woman being an adult human female. Is semantical and born out of a university too old for it's own good. I just define it as someone who's gender identity associates with the female sex. Basically if my brain expects me to have all the traits and the roles of the female sex. I'm a woman. And yes gender identity is biological. not social. But yeah take it from a trans woman's mouth. Not some random person who hasn't been through these systems.
@@Esper54no such thing as a Cis person. The way that term has been coopted is annoying. It is a scientific term but it has nothing to so with how people use it.
@@LiliumCruorem It's an organic chem term. Find it funny that it's used in this dishonest manner.
past being factually false, yeah.... and is disingenuion to those with Disphoria Disorder as much as for everyone else, to those being tokenized and those being erased.
Chemistry and Geography lmao. Genuinely nothing to do with biology@@counselorguy5481
If you wanted to know how to define a blarg, I could have told you. But your definition is perfectly acceptable because I do indeed identify as a blarg.
HAHAHAHAHA
@@ShortFatOtaku What is a woman?
And yet you heard "Funko Pop" and had a pretty good idea what that was. Hypothetically, were humans similarly created by another, would that other not have the exclusive right to name and categorize us as said being saw fit?
@@ShortFatOtaku let's be honest trans woman are men who have had surgery and drugs to sometimes feminine themselves and then there is the problem with just silicon breasts implants and no drugs making it autogynophila fetish, it's all gone wrong the whole TQ+++++ is dangerous ideology now we all need to stop.
@@subcriticalpocket7804 What is a coom?
"The conservative position is that female is 'Adult human female'"
No, that is the correct position. It's not Conservative.
I swear sometimes logic is thrown out the window just to protect a few people from getting their feelings hurt.
oh well, I'm conservative now. lmao this is stupid.
Riiight? Its like how we give the obvious delusion of religion special treatment and tax benefits!!
"Words can mean anything" is such an obvious cop-out. You can tell they don't actually mean it because the moment you call them fascists they start obsessing over definitions.
Same with "feminist." Tell them you don't like feminism because it's full of misandrists, then suddenly "Man-haters aren't REAL feminists!" Or I say I believe in gender equality but don't identify as a feminist and then suddenly "If you like gender equality, you're a feminist!" Oh, so NOW there's a real definition for words? NOW I can't just use any word however I want because words change meaning?
@@PumpkinSwag Yeah they're very ideologically two faced. You can tell they have a limited perspective where they only look at things from ONE PoV and judge the entire world from that view. It's usually not even their own: it's a shared collective PoV from "the oppressed".
[gets triggered cuz i used the wrong gendered term]
"It mean sumting else to me :3"
True but also words being ambiguous is a defining feature of human language
They wholeheartedly mean it as long as it fits into their ideology. In the very moment it doesn't, they stick to the "correct" definitions.
Socialists are doubleplusgood at doublethink.
Maybe the real women were the friends we made along the way
😂😂😂😂
dangerously based
And maybe real women where inside us all along.
You're saying you have no women?
🤣🤣🤣
Dev making a "What is a woman?" video is like he's speaking "Keffals" 3x into a mirror in the dark at 3am.
Lucas is too busy dilating over Rekieta's UA-cam ban to care about Dev.
Love ur profile pic xd
I thought that summoned the Matt Walsh stans?
@@AB0BA_69 Who is a chaser?
I’m gonna be so mad if dev gets kicked off YT.
Short answer: No
Long answer: also no
Explain then, smartass.
Short answer: no
Long answer: no
Yep❤
Short version no, long version no. Good night everyone!
Whoa, that was complicated.
eh, as long as you aren't a dick and openly attacking trans chicks who cares ig lmao
You mean that the long version is "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
No, but 37 minutes long.
He's in the comments saying "neither". Dev will ride fence on issues that ought to be cut and dry because he's about algorithmic growth, and being inoffensive, not ideas.
Chris Chan is the perfect example of a "trans" person who isn't trans. He has other issues, but his "transness" is entirely due to manipulation and his lovequest.
He became "trans" only in hopes of attracting lesbians. Everything he ever does, he does for his own shallow gain.
Im trans and i support this message. Im not even sure if chris truely understands the differences between a man and a woman, let alone that between autistic gender experience and being trans.
@@fallyn2920 What is autistic gender experience? Could you explain that in a bit of detail? I'm honestly curious
@@fallyn2920 I heard Chris Chan himself became trans to attempt to get with lesbian girls, though, I doubt Chris Chan would become trans for any real reason, he would've figured it out years ago
@@NoOne-uh9vu it is my understanding that people with ASS can experience they gender less profoundly than neurotypical people. That is to say that usually people are either men or women and they feel comfortable with that fact. people with an autistic experience can feel no real attachment to being a man or a woman. There's a strong correlation between autism and gender dysphoria too i've learning from a few psychologists. So strong that it is tested and looked upon as a possible dismissive reason when assessing gender dysphoria. there's however a strong comorbidity between the two which is remarked upon as being about half of all people with gender dysphoria also exhibiting some level of autism spectrum aspects. i myself am no different, being diagnosed with ADHD/ASS besides gender dysphoria. But i'm mostly reflecting on people with ASS without GD, whom can still have a rather blank experience of their gender (meaning their inner since of birth sex). It's important i feel not to 'trans' that experience and it should be talked more about instead as it could lead to unneeded surgeries and hormone use which can impact them negatively later on as you need to have dysphoria to be trans. (this same mistake is made these days by 'transing' body dysmorphic disorder)
If the answer to "are trans women women is anything other than no" then you're either a liar or crazy.
I never really care too much about the "trans women are women" thing. Instead I prefer taking a step further away, and asking who *_definitely, incontrovertibly are_* women: all those ladies who gave birth, for example. We know those are women. My mother was a woman, my mother's mother and my dad's mother, those certainly were women. Obviously, definitionally, they must have been, or else there's no way they would have been able to give birth. Then I ask the question: are trans women *the same thing* as those women? No, clearly not. At a very minimum, we have to be able to make the distinction between those we know are clearly XX-chromosomed women, and those who we call trans women. They are not the same exact category, obviously, and everybody freaking knows it, and we need to stop lying to ourselves and letting anyone around us pretend they're the same.
If some biological male wants to be called a woman, I really don't care much, but I'm unwilling to give up the obvious fact that they are fundamentally distinct and truly quite different from those women who are _obviously, _*_necessarily_* women...
and to anyone who would insist on lying about this and taking up such a ridiculous standpoint, that I'm not allowed to say this distinction is there, then you're an enemy of thought and reason in my mind; I simply want nothing to do with you, don't want to hear a damn thing from you.
Anyway, the end conclusion, I think the most accurate description of trans women is this: trans women are men who think of themselves as women and would rather you think of them as women and treat them as such, too, "and that's ok". I would think we can all agree that corresponds to reality as accurately as any other description does.
My stress about these issues dropped to zero when I realized that the left and I don't speak the same dialect, and I have as much of an interest in accepting their definitions as they do in mine.
@@als3022 the Left doesn't want that, 99% of the people on the right have no idea what is even happening in Liberal cities, or what leftists believe or think, they already live in a rural/semi-rural world where you actually have to do hard work to maintain the blood stream of America, the Left cannot accept a divorce, they need to get into your brain and your soul and make you change, but they would also still hate you, because they need an other.
Notice how the scientific biological answer was done in about 10 minutes but there was still 30 minutes left.
That’s an unnecessary 30 minutes.
@@Snakedude4life it isn't unnecessary, it's steel manning the left's arguments then proving them wrong.
@@Snakedude4life that 30 minutes is fear, fear of not being "fair" enough to a group that will destroy anyone who is perceived to be an enemy, I know Dev supports and likes them, but even people like him know not to disrespect the mafia.
@@als3022 nobody can peacefully live with communists except other communists. And that's not even usually very peaceful.
The answer is actually quite simple. No.
do you watch whatifalthist
@@samueltv9428 yes.
You are correct sir. To be as clear as possible, let's be specific. Cetain hormones are somewhat bimodal across the population. But don't get it twisted, for 99% of the human population biological sex is very clear. Do you have a XY chromosome profile and were born with a penis or produce sperm? Then are male 100% of the time (primarily and secondarily male). Do you a XX chromosome profile and born with a vagina or produce eggs? Then you are female 100% of the time (primarily and secondarily female).
Everyone else is truly intersex (the remaining 1%). Intersex with a Y chromosome are primarily male and have female/neutral secondary sexual characteristics. Intersex with no Y chromosome are primarily female and have neutral secondary sexual characteristics.
There is no ambiguity in biological sex.
@@RealLifeIronMan Less than 1%, more like 0.018%. The figures reporting 1.7% are including people that are merely minor anomalies and not actually classified as intersex.
This is one of those questions where reality goes against an ideology so academia will just lie because it give them more power.
I'm infertile, and I do kind of feel less of a woman for it.
I’ve heard this a lot before, infertile men feel less like a man, there is something intrinsically linking fertility and gender in the mind.
The main difference is it's worthy of condolences because it's not self-inflicted.
I feel much the same way as a man for being gay. Without locking myself into a loveless relationship I can never fulfil my natural goal of continuing my lineage. Instead I'm forced to trust it all to my sisters.
Honey im male and infertile , dont let it make you feel any less of a woman , i dont feel any less of a guy
@@blairdurward4324its not like that at all , its being what you are but feeling broken , all the functions of the rest aside from the ability to produce life , me for instance born a man i live as a man but my lack of ferility isnt what makes me feel less of a man if anything my chronic pain from a work related back injury makes me feel less of a man because i remember what i used to be capable of way back when compared to now
If you lose a finger, are you less of a person?
Two interesting thoughts:
First, as you discussed the social role argument my mind immediately snapped back to good ol Bridget. This argument could *immediately explain* why feminine men and masculine women must be pressured to transition. After all if you could force all feminine people to be women and all masculine people to be men then wouldn't the social role argument be true?
Second, it's really telling about the impossibility of the concept that the blarg on your desk has immediately failed to have no qualities other than being a blarg. It is, after all, on your desk. The real blarg would be something almost religious. It could never be proven or disproven, you'd just have to Believe in Blarg. Of course that's the heart of the matter, that for most progs "Trans women are women." is not an idea to which they seek a logical answer, but a profession of adherence to the faith. "*I* believe (i.e. have faith) that trans women are women! I am virtuous!"
Well said.
The first point I’ve noticed for a while and it’s kind of funny.
First it was the left who were with the idea that boys can play with girls toys or be feminine, and it’s okay, while the right was saying “Only girls play with dolls.”
Now, the left went so far it’s doing a horseshoe, and is regressing back to “Only girls play with dolls.”
Ideologys activite the same part of the brain as religion.
@@cosmosyn2514 They've been copying the nastier practices of the right for a while now, what with them trying to bring back segregation and whatnot.
Because Leftism is a religion
A spider has 8 legs, by definition. That doesn't mean a spider that loses a leg stops being a spider, and that doesn't mean we have to change the definition because sometimes spiders lose a leg. That means it's an anomaly, exceptions exist for almost every rule, but we don't work out language around that, if we were always that pedantic, all the time, then nobody would even know what a spider is.
But by Dev's logic, if it loses two legs, it's no longer an arachnid, it's an insect. Or are you saying insects, like this amputee spider, don't have six legs? Checkmate! /s
It's even easier. Spider is defined biologically and the problem is that those people simply deny biology. It's not about legs at all.
what do you have against spiders, bigot?
reported for hate speech and arachnophobia
Then what do you call an adult male clownfish?
"The law of gravity is nonsense. No such law exists. If I think I float and you think I float then it happens."
- O'Brien, 1984
Shaka, when the walls fell - Dathon at El Adrel.
@@TheFinerPrint "The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. "
doucblefuckingplusgood comrade
@@TheFinerPrint there are 4 lights!!!!
The whole "deadnaming" shit also conspiciously reminds me of "Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."
Vaush's "Words can mean literally anything" works when talking of words as a collection but falls apart for single words. The reason is that single words meaning literally anything also makes them mean literally nothing by extension. You've demonstrated that pretty well with your example of a sentence which might've meant something to you, but would be gibberish or a different meaning for anyone else.
Vaush is sucking Keffals axe wound for clout
it doesnt work at all, anywhere, because the word is only a placeholder for a definition. if the definition fits the context, then so does the word. people like Vaush are smart enough to know this and tip-toe around humiliation but too proud to ever admit they believe something thats wrong...
Personally as a transgender myself, the taxonomy view is my favourite. It takes away the emotional baggage and bias tied with the question "are trans women actually women". When you say "trans women aren't actually women" under this view, its just a neutral statement. it's like saying "No you're not the same as biological women, and you won't ever be, but you're not any less of a human being"
I gotta tell ya, anyone who tells you that you are any less of a human being because of your choices is garbage, and I'd protect anyone who's victim to that. Just know human peace is always a choice. You have allies my friend!
@user-li1te2mh4k i never said that tho?
True!
Hi I'm Troy McClure.
You may remember me from such films as "You Will Never Be A Woman," "Your Skin Is Thicker and Rougher Than That Of A Woman",
"Your Pores And Connective Tissue Are Arranged Differently From Those Of A Woman,"
"Your Bone Structure, Including Jaw, Brow Ridge, And Hips, Is Obviously Male",
" You Have A Man's Hairline," "Your Ring Finger Is Longer Than Your Index Finger",
"Your Naval Is Above Your Waist", "Your Body Stores Fat Differently Than A Woman's Does",
"Your Saliva, Sweat and Urine Contain Male Pheromones". "You Are Biologically Incapable Of Menstruation and Pregnancy",
"Every Somatic Cell In Your Body Contains The Y Chromosome", "Children Are Confused When They See You", and who can forget:
"Your Parents Will Use Your Real Name When They Bury You".
Classic.
Classic.
What happened in that aquarium?
@@KeyBladeMaster-Dan he swam with the fishes
Were you in the indie flick “My Family Is Actually Ashamed Of Me And Is Too Afraid Of Admitting It Because I Am Mentally Unstable and Constantly Threaten Suicide” ?
Simple answer: No, they're delusional men.
I don't know, seeing these video game/anime obsessed boys claim they are men really waters down what a man is
are trans woman actually woman..... No
Syndrome: "Everyone will be women! And when everyone is a woman..."
No one will be
that movie was literally talking about how some people are _truly_ special and shouldnt be held back from their incredible potential, because the world misses out on their greatness...that idea would sound downright fascistic to leftist today.
A 37-minute video of Dev saying "no" in as many ways humanly possible?
God, I hope so!
Reaches the biological conclusion in the first 10 minutes or so.
And then the rest is trying to waffle between the “social” definition.
@@Snakedude4life I thought it was established decades ago that a man can be a manly truck driver type along with a gay and flamboyant type - because they are both males.
@@Snakedude4life so no... also -no step on snek-
@@afgone
Ah, But that was with the “old science.”
The new science says “If you act manly I guess you’re a man if you a act female I guess you’re female unless or not or whatever.”
Truly, we have made fantastic scientific progress.
@@Snakedude4life the funny thing is that the "socal" construct angle that leftists love to use. Is also based on human biology. Women being caregivers relates to pregnancy/child birth. They can't escape reality
*Are transwomen actually women?*
Short answer: No.
Long answer: 0:00
Are transwomen women?
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
You can think and feel however you want, everyone gets basic human rights. But don’t try to change facts, science or laws just because of how you feel.
Human rights don't exist.
Usually it's other people telling me they are a dog or something and I'm like "No, you are a human". Yet I'm still told that I'm robbing those people of their humanity by insisting that they are, in fact, a human.
@@ragnarok7976 it's complete madness. I love it when they say we're "denying their existence", no buddy, we know you exist, we're just saying you exist as a human female, not a trans unicorn.
@@ragnarok7976 yeah it is a deeper issue, either not enough attention at home, or they just do not love or accept themselves. So they basically want people to partake in their self image.
Social media, mostly Reddit, have helped people get in an echo chamber or community. And at first this stuff was good for people but then ‘affirm me or else’ and safe space have made people unable to understand or exist in reality.
That’s just part of it, social media addiction, bad parenting, counties like China trying to destroy us from the inside, our own governments plan to do whatever they’re doing. That has created an amalgamation of issues, that people haven’t even begun to unravel.
The facts and science says trans woman are real woman
Can't wait for "Does 2 + 2 = 4?" next month!
At this rate, not impossible. Not even implausible. Both unfortunate.
2 + 2 is equal to racism according to Woke math
Mathematically it's correct. Semiotically it can be different depending on how you define "2", "+" and/or "4". But that's basically arguing semantics and is irrelevant to the function (Maths).
Gender isn't as objective hence why this discussion is different, specifically since this is regarding "roles" or "social performativity" of gender.
@@chavaspada Mathematically it also depends on how you define each symbol. The statement is true under Peano Arithmetic. It may or may not be true under different axioms.
@@chavaspada lol
There's a difference between actual women/men, and pretending to be one.
The answer is biological, "no".
They're women impersonators... but not actual women no.
thank god you mentioned the femboy issue, it frustrates the hell out of me that no one talks about the feminine men who aren't identifying as women
its like a human trying to be a Cat. he may think that but no matter how hard he tries included getting experimented by a doctor mengele he will never be a cat
Effeminate men and tomboys exist & should be respected.
@@insertnamehere5809 in what way should they be respected, given they contribute nothing to a classically virtuous society? Lack of strength, power, masculine OR feminine virtue? What should you respect, when they utterly abdicate their responsibility to Be A Man?
It’s a serious question. Should we deny them human rights? Of course not. But tolerance and respect is closely linked to lionising in the Current Year.
Funny tho since apparently "femboy" is a slur to the mentally unwell lol
@@insertnamehere5809 Exist? Yes. Should be respected? FUCK NO!
No it isn’t complicated
Its controversial
Because there are people who want it to be true and will be intolerant (some to the point of violence) of those who disagree
Based.
I'd say 'I don't understand how this is even a thing' but we know.
Our vampire overlords want us exhausted via petty fights which is why they have put the most mentally unwell in high authority.
Lol look up the amount of violence perpetrated against trans people by the police and others if you want a balanced perspective
@@GreebusBleeb thats irrelevant to the topic
@@GreebusBleeb None? The police are on your side lmao
Let me just be short. They are transvestites, not trans women. And no, they are not women even in name.
Nope, objectively incorrect. HRT and surgery exists.
@@wolfetteplays8894because cutting bits off of yourself makes you into a woman? if i cut all my limbs off am i now a worm? would it be wormphobic to deny this?
Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Unfortunately for them, no.
I'd wager the vast majoraty of people who would say yes to this publicly only say it out of fear for their jobs. Most people still don't find trans people normal enough to warp their meaning of a word in any meaningful way.
Most normal trans people want you to treat us like human beings. Just dont act like an asshole. At least that applies to me
@@glibfacsimile It is ENTIRELY top down social Engineering, leave the hell hole degenerate west and everyone has the exact same definition of women.
I work at a kennel, and there are a lot of dogs that are scared of men. Sadly, the overwhelming majority of animal abuse is done by men. But we had a tour go through the other day and one of the people was trans, female identifying I guess? I dunno the terminology and don't care to. But when they walked by one of the dogs that's fearful of men, the dog went nutso barking at them. Can't fool a dog. I think humans know this on a fundamental level too. Our desire to blend in and not offend is the only reason some people pretend like they don't know the difference.
@Ronald Nygma you do understand when you make absolute statements like that, only one example of someone losing their job because they didn't cowtow to gender ideology would prove you wrong, right?
@@markzuckergecko621 A dog is thankfully not smart enough to have developed the kind of double think necessary to claim a thing is what it isn't. It smelled a man, and barked. Simple as.
My minimum standard - Produce ONE trans woman that can conceive and give birth
just wait until we have robo-wombs
That's easy. Just double transition.
Not all women can conceive though. If you define womanhood entirely through the ability to give birth then are you saying that post-menopause women and sterile women aren't women to you?
@@chavaspada There are women who can and cannot give birth. There are woman can at one point in life give birth and then later on, not. Therefore there are many women that can give birth. I said produce ONE trans woman that can.
Childbirth isn't the only definer of womanhood, but if the entire group of trans women have never and could never produce ONE individual that can... See my original comment.
@@chavaspada Not so much about the ability to give birth, but having the reproductive system in them required to even do such.
I have endo, lost an ovary, and can’t have anymore kids due to scheduling of a hysterectomy I will be undergoing soon, but I’m still a woman. Just as I’m sure they’d still perceive me as such, just as any other woman with said organs in her body …
.
Pretty sure that’s what they meant. It’s not so much about actually doing it, but having what’s needed - functional or not.
*casually drops plucked chicken on the debate stage*
"I bring you a woman!"
I'll keep it simple. Biologically, no, of course not.
Socially? Well if we insist that gender is entirely a social construct, then why are we pretending that transgenderism is how you are born? If gender is social, then nothing about gender would be biological or neurological. Since nothing about gender is biological or neurological, then it has nothing to do with 'gender dysphoria'. Nobody would be born transgender. It would entirely 100% be a result of social interactions and personal choices.
If 'gender' is both biological and social, well, then what the heck does that even mean and why isn't gender just the social side of sex? If gender is the social side of sex (sex being empirically observable. You cannot be the opposite sex), then why do transgender people try to change their biology to 'fit' into their identified gender?
Basically, transgenderism makes no sense. If gender isn't sex, then why is mutilating your sexual organs and pumping yourself full of sexual hormones the 'solution'? If gender IS sex, then yes sorry you can't be the opposite sex so therefore you can't be the opposite gender.
This. Axe wounds also aren't vaginas.
@@aposematicayu Yeah, there's this weird attempt to act like your birth has no permanent impact on your future development.
As long as transgenderism exists, the concept of homosexuality does not.
You have to pick one. After all, if you can change your sex, then why would you be homosexual? One of the oldest claims among gays of the past was "If it were a choice, why would I put myself in a worse situation?"
Because it's nothing more than a form of humiliation being forced by the people in the upper echelons of society.
Expecting these intellectually inept rejects to have a coherent argument about any of this is a waste of time, man. Nothing these Leftist losers do makes any sort of logical sense.
_"Are Trans-Women Actually Women?"_
*The Short Answer:* No.
*The Long Answer:* No, and no amount of makeup, clothing, artificial hormones, or irreversible genital mutilation will ever change that.
They gonna have to wait until a cyberpunk age to get what they want.
@@joshuawadsworth6417 No, because even that won't change reality.
@@lesthodson2802 You missed the point.
Exactly, you can dress and look so much like a women that you are treated like one by society but you will never trully be a biological women.
It's not complicated. Trans women are men
It's not complicated at all. Women are adult human females. If you don't meet those 3 qualifiers listed, you're not a woman. Pretty clear cut.
No. There, I saved you 40 minutes.
Mouthbreather detected. Nuance is needed unless you're a brainded rightoid or leftoid.
Thanks.
Danke.
Some people need that to penetrate their skull or in fact their feels
Your short answer isn’t pithy it’s abrupt and while correct it won’t explain anything to someone who doesn’t already agree with you this entire issue stems from people either giving up with the argument or refusing to give it any effort
It’s really not complicated. Men have sausages, women have clams. It’s a really easy concept to understand.
And together we should make a seafood boil
@@torshavnnewell 😳
so thats why they always smell bad
Wiener vs Ham Sandwich
And then there's axe wound...
Thanks to people like Vaush, I now no longer have to simply "identify" as an attack helicopter; I AM ONE! by definition I am an attack helicopter, and nobody can change my mind. Thanks Vaush!
You cant identify yourself with somenthing YOU CAN'T DEFINE.
This is by far one of your best videos.
No.
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🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
No, they are men
imo they are neither
@@ShortFatOtaku opinions aren’t facts
@@ShortFatOtaku I think you would just simply called it trans woman
They can never change the shape of their chromosomes.
Dismembering your own genitalia only turned you into a Mutilation victim .
@@ShortFatOtaku then you're wrong. There is no such thing as a trans person. No human on this earth can change their sex..
Simple answer: No, they are not
Well, as a farmer I am obligated to correct you on the pronunciation of (hef-fer)
woops
i havent been on a farm since i was 14
Fun fact:
In Low German the word for Ox is Queen.
Most of the other Cow related terms are almost exactly the Same as in normal english.
I thought the same thing haha oh well, we got what he meant. Glad he saw the correction though
THANK YOU! Threw me off when I heard that.
It's pretty simple, the answer is no. Absolutely not.
I said in another comment thread that I have much less issue with a dude with a vagina in the bathroom with me while I'm taking a dump than I have an issue with a dude with tits in the bathroom with my wife.
Sure, fine, you want to be a woman. If you look, sound, and act like the women who have given birth or who bleed for one week out of four, you probably mean no harm and might be cool to go urinate decumbently next to my wife without saying a word, you also might look like a dude and sound like a dude and start throwing hands over my wife having the balls to say " you don't belong here." She has a right to safety and I will see to it that right is upheld. These days, I stand guard while she uses a public restroom because I fear for her safety. That's not my fault.
I favourite part of this debate was when Vaush had to reluctantly agree that water was a thing that actually exists despite being called "aqua" in Mexico XD Post-modernists seem to have a real problem with the concept that language is primarily DESCRIPTIVE rather than PRESCRIPTIVE. Hence saying "assigned X at birth" when it's actually "observed X at birth." Also why I imagine Vaush doesn't understand why circular definitions don't mean anything, because he doesn't understand the concept that language is meant to describe things instead of just being a game you can "win" by confusing people.
No.
Saved you 40 minutes.
Nearly 40 minutes is a long time to say "No"
Well. Because there's no short explanation as to why it is "no" and the explanation is required to not get an easily targeted argument.
It’s amazing how he reaches the biological conclusion in 10 minutes but the video is still going.
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 totally making Adsense money with no ads.
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@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Y chromosome. There's your short explanation.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooooo
But can they be considered the same as a regular man by the standards of western civilization
@@tonywade7473 A girly man is still a man. There. Acknowledging the truth while differentiating them from regular men.
@@tonywade7473 They'll never be considered the same in my book. 😁
@@tonywade7473 dont don't construe woke far left with western civilization, thx.
Doctor: Congratulations, it's a boy!
Archaeologist: The skeleton belongs to a man.
@@als3022 For Heaven's sake.
They would call it a male, dumbass
@@als3022 I know UA-cam doesn't allow links (that aren't from bots), but could you tell me what to look up to find an article on this?
I play games but I don't identify as a "gamer" , sounds so cringe.
Ok. I'm a car dude and Imma say this. A Lamborghini replica, despite how convincing and even engine swapped it it, isn't a real Lambo but a riced out Pontiac Fierro. And selling it as a legit one is just evil
The question reveals the answer, you specifically add the word trans to woman because you know they aren't really women.
Even the deepest woke circles still use the word trans, it reveals that either a, they haven’t given it enough thought to drop the prefix, or b, they actually don’t believe it either.
But you could just view it as an attribute like "tall women" or "women who make more than $100.000 a year". The fact that you can point to differences (which you have to do if you want to talk about something, duh) doesn't mean it can't belong to a group, not even the most radical trans activist could earnestly say that there isn't a difference between trans women and "other types of women"
@@AAArnold I think the problem is this attribute inherently separates them from the group we label women, as indicated by the need for the trans label. We don’t call all tall women “tall women” all the time, even the alphabet people don’t really believe it, their own choices in language reveal it.
@@blairdurward4324 I think that's a partial misconception on your part, people who think trans women are women are going to just call them "women" (I assume, anyway) in everyday life and such unless being trans is relevant.
@@AAArnold It isn't an attribute because we don't have conversations about if tall women or fat women are women, and nobody feels any need to state that tall or fat women are women, we all know they are already.
Just because not everyone is willing to speak the truth
It doesn't make the truth any less real
Im looking at both sides of politics here
Exactly, if the left's argument was that we should treat people as the gender they choose to identify as, sure, I would at least entertain the idea. I wouldn't agree with any legal enforcement of that, people are allowed to be asshats if they want to, but I do think you should generally try to be polite to people and respectful. But they argue no, this thing that's really (x) is actually (y), because my politics tells me so. Nah, fuck that. If your politics require you to deny reality, your politics are dumb.
Cool, but you're kidding yourself if you believe that the left and right are equally guilty at this. The left is so far gone from reality that you have to be ridiculously naive or spiritually ill to support their cause.
But if society can't agree on the basics, what's the point of sharing a society any more? Forget about common values and goals if we can't even agree that 2 + 2 = 4.
@@remyllebeau77 im saying that we should agree on the basics even if certain groups waste their time on debate wars for them
@@remyllebeau77 Multiculturism ruins even bedrock.
No, it's not complicated. The answer is no. The most charitable thing you can call them is 'Trans Women'.
Correct answer: no
Incorrect answer: yes
Now we're done
Yea how can he even frame it as complicated? Is he going soft on us?
@@ZachStachelski13 No, he isn't. Atleast I think he isn't. He just has a trans fetish and also is friends with a lot of them. Those two factors blind him.
I have yet to hear a clear separation between delusions from many other mental disorders from that of gender dysphoria. We have treatment for anorexia nervosa, bulimia, and other disorders commonly stemmed from body dysmorphia, why ignore this correlation completely for the sake of tolerance and inclusion? We would never tell a person suffering from anorexia nervosa caused by body dysmorphia that they are indeed over weight and need to eat less.
I was born Black/African American, but I've decided to be a Caucasian white man ... wish me luck 🤣
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What do you mean it’s not just a 3 second video of Dev saying “No”
He's going to run the gambit. Not only will this take a long time because Dev is fat, but he's going to bat against this on its own terms. You could be going after a flat-earther, but if you're gonna steel-man him, time will be spent forging the steel-man.
@@harleymitchelly5542 *gamut?
@@DoctorPhileasFragg Both work... I was gonna type that, but I wasn't sure if that was the spelling. Yes though, you can sub that in just fine.
Wait, it's long form content?
Always has been. Bang!
Because in political discourse, when you want to reach a large audience and possibly change minds, you have to first acknowledge the other side's arguments and that you considered them in good faith ("it's complicated") and then break them down at their core.
But you just wanted a pithy joke video? Do you realize that you are part of the problem as to why political discourse is so vitriolic? I'm aghast at how little self awareness the average person has.
This video is exhaustive, and it still feels like there are some important questions or aspects of this issue that I haven't really seen addressed yet. It's hard to know where to start with this. I am, by any useful definition of the word, a woman. I don't have to self-identify as a woman, except for when I'm filling out a form, because it's easy to tell with a simple look at me. I don't base my entire personality or identity on the fact that I am a woman, but it is admittedly a very meaningful part of who I am, which is why it feels so weird when it gets used as a political weapon. It's rather alarming that we're taking just one of the sexes or genders, whichever, and blur the lines of its meaning until it ceases to mean anything at all. I'm not something "formless and limitless" as described by these lunatics. If "woman" means everything and nothing simultaneously, what does "man" mean? If it's also something that's amorphous and ineffable, then what does it serve to ever differentiate between the two? It starts to sound like the debate is about which collection of sounds you prefer to be used to describe your sex or gender, but we know that's not right. We all intuitively know that people's experiences differ greatly based on which set of biological characteristics they're born with, or whether or not they experience gender dysphoria, otherwise this whole issue wouldn't exist. So it does very much seem to be heading in the direction of erasing gender or even sex altogether, but that also erases the leg the idea of transitioning is standing on. If there are no genders, why would you ever need to transition? Why would you feel the need to alter your body to match it? But wait, that's a moot point, because there _is_ no such thing as gender, as we've established! What is even going on?
I think our ability to discriminate and classify and define is the sole source of controversy for the progressives.
Orwell's “there are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them” goes here. What we are now doing is a MatPat Game Theory Five Nights At Freddy's lore deep dive into the totally absurd. This video required two letters.
Transmisogyny is just misandry and fighting transmisogyny is also THE ONLY time that a Regressive will actively fight misandry.
Note that nobody is this critical of Transmen.
It would have been really easy to make a 5 second version of this video, but I actually really appreciate how this goes further down the rabbit hole. For most people who aren’t enthralled to trans ideology the taxonomic basis is enough but this is a great video to examine the problems with all models trying to make trans women women
Agreed
If you think trans women aren't women you have something wrong with your brain
Because of the gynocentric society, I’ve noticed we don’t point out trans men as much as we should.
Personally I am grateful to not have to argue with an extra set of people who take a word like ejaculating-person seriously.
I think it's because Testosterone is much more powerful in changing the body than Estrogen, so the amount of Women transitioning to Men who don't pass is much, much lower than when Men transition to Women. Also, Women transitioning to Men are starting from a disadvantage and moving into "normal" male capabilities. So, in something like sports, it is actually more impressive to see a Trans-Man kick Cis Men's asses. The opposite is true with Male to Female transitions and we view this as unfair. It's much easier for Trans-Men to integrate into society than a Trans-Woman, so we don't talk much about them because of it.
@@NezzConstantine Also, transmen can (at worst) pass as an effeminate guy with greater ease.
Nobody wants to work for their crap; most of those women that turn man actually have to pull weight. Thus, adding to society and is not a burden. So nobody cares, lmao
1. Because it's much easier for trans men to pass.
2. A malicious woman in a men's only space is capable of much less harm than the reverse.
Great video, particularly the transhumanist part. This dimension is one that I personally believe is at the heart of this issue but hardly ever hear anyone else discussing. Like, 80% of the current kerfuffle over transpeople is one side over estimating modern medicine's ability to alter a persons sex. Pre-Glee, transphobia was a Crying Game scenario. Now, thinking the term birthing person is absurd qualifies you. We've regressed in this domain, mostly due to trans activist overreach. The only people that will suffer as a result, predictably, are actual transpeople who are now dealing with the day to day backlash over this cause du jour.
I think you guy's are framing this issue way to intellectually. Conservatives should never stop using the phrase "sexually mutilating neuro-divergent children." As for arguing with supporters it's actually easy to see there are literally only 3 arguments/facts that they cling to.
1. consensus that HRT and Puberty blocckers (They don't and it's easy to find recent meta analysis debunking this.
2. Trans people have the brains of the opposite sex. (Also easy to debunk.)
3. And then there is the appeal to gay marriage. Appeal to libertarianism and tolerance. And for that just remind them that they are sexually mutilating neuro-divergent children.
Every casual trans advocate is motivated by 1 of these 3 falsehoods.
The answer is no.
Is this a lead up to Dev coming out as a trans man?
He's too fat for transition surgery
Two years.
I'm sure if he did he'd become the next Blair White, a self hating trans person that argues in favour of transphobia.
@@theletterm1787 hate-watchers who scrape for attention like this are so pathetic.
@@johnseppethe2nd2 bruh it's not my fault UA-cam recommended a retarded anti-trans video to me
The answer is no a transwomen isn't a women here's my answer a dude pretending to be woman.
The biggest flaw in your presentation is you expect them to argue with consistency and logic. There is no logic, just control, usually malicious.
No.
I'm a man, and I look like a pygmy Sam Hyde. I like fashion, cute shit, being insufferable, attention, housekeeping, gardening, and want a strong partner to support as much as I can while we start a family. My house is decorated like your grandma's house, right down to the floral sofa. I need to keep myself well-groomed and looking nice or I'm unhappy, and I'm literally always thinking about something.
When I was a kid I wanted to be a girl and when I grew up I had multiple identity crises over the stress of wishing I had been born female so that I wouldn't feel like shit for not liking masculine stuff and not thinking in masculine ways. Since then I've eliminated the stress that comes from society's disapproval of the mix of my sex/gender and my behavior by simply not giving a shit about what society thinks and knowing that I'm a genuinely good, loving person and that the people I need in my life will be able to recognize that. I may be a man, but I know that I don't have to act the way society says one should in my day and age, and that there's more alternatives than acting like a queen too. That's a blessing I really wish I could give to other people before they make irreversible decisions like puberty blockers or cutting off family and friends.
You just need to accept yourself for who you are and sculpt your raw clay into something that *you* find beautiful, inside and out, not buy into snake oil treatments that just make you feel worse when the euphoria wears off or spiral into a political ideology to try to force society to accept you. And fuck what people say about you when you start actually living your life. Nobody ever achieved true greatness by putting everyone else down nor by worrying about what everyone else thought of them. Be you, be happy.
But none of your struggle came from anything about your body itself, it was only about how society viewed men and women. That's the difference between you and a trans person.
"No."
- All the truth in a 2 second video
Before I answer that question, riddle me this Dev. What is a woman?
Adult human female.
@@miniondaechir this.
@@miniondaechir what is a female? the sex of a species that produces large gametes. this is why trans women aren't women, because they don't produce large gametes. but trans women also don't produce small gametes, so they aren't men either.
@@ShortFatOtaku >trans women also don't produce small gametes
And why might that be, Dev? Could it because they have screwed themselves up with artificial hormones?
@@ShortFatOtaku by your logic sterile men aren't men. 🤡 take
Dev saying heifer like “high-fur” made my day.😂
Most of us country folk say it “heh-fur”
Great vid
Dev this is all wordplay and gobbledygook, the answer is *NO* they’re not, they’re just not.
If they were women, they could simply call themselves women and not "trans women".
But it hurts their feelings because they know they'll never be real women. So they have to force everyone else to play make believe with them.
Hoo boy.
I mean girl.
I mean...
Never mind.
Based
Doh!
PERFECTLY EXPLAINED, thank you so much for this. It was needed. You practically said everything I thought about but couldn’t eloquently put into words.
You can masculinize the brain. Just force the sick person to watch 24h loops of sigma edits
Have not yet even watched a single second of the video...
The answer is 100% definitionally, biologically, and objectively _"NO!"_
The fact that any human being even entertains this question in 2022 is a condemnation of our entire species! 😑
If we don't figure it out, there's not gonna' be much of a species left to condemn...
@@draketheduelist The part of the species that believes in the idea of transwomen being women will invariably be bred out of existence and replaced with the part of the species that doesn't, it's an inevitable end result.
Eh...biologically and objectively? They are trans woman.
@@Jdudec367 They are men.
@@Jdudec367 They are not women, they have never been women, and they will never be women. They can invent and redefine as many words and terms as they want, that doesn't change the fact that they are men.
Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: FUCK No.
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Very based Metroid fan
Personally, when it comes to trans people, I'm willing to call them by the gender they prefer if:
a) They've made SOME attempt at actually passing as the gender they claim to be (ie, no men with beards claiming to be women)
b) They're not obnoxious about it
Pretty simple, really. If you're a "trans-woman" and all you've done is slap some makeup on, have a very blatantly male voice, stubble/beard, chest hair sticking out of the top of your low-cut shirt, etc? Nah, you're just a cross-dresser at that point. Or if you get screechy and loud the moment someone "misgenders you", then you're just an activist who's looking to start a fight for attention.
I agree. And they have to respect me in return. So many of these radical trans-identified men are parodies of women, fetishists, and most of all, misogynists.
The primary problem with this test is that it makes treatment dependent on whether the person is either good at costuming - i.e., grooming, makeup, fashion, etc. - or has the money for costuming aides or medical transition. There are lots of cis women who look like men and sound like men. Some have no interest in making an effort to present femininely. Some are just bad at costuming. About 6-12% of cis women have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome which allow them to grow beards too.
In Sweden, trans people who have received the gender dysphoria diagnosis (after 4 years of examination), are eligible for HRT after having "lived as their gender" for 6 months, I believe. It is a requirement in order to receive treatment in the first place.
Voice training is a life-long project, and finding a fashion that works for a male body frame is extremely difficult. There are wigs, but they are very expensive.
Shaving every morning and night and learning the basics of makeup is a low requirement though, and I'm sure that the people in the makeup stores would be excited to teach.
Going by this logic, we should allow 13 years olds puberty blockers so such occurrences don’t happen within trans women, right? Also, how do you define “obnoxious?” Is it them telling you what they want to be referred to as, or?
@@ChronoSoulwe are not cis we are just women
Conversion therapy doesn't "make the brain more masculine," and that isn't the only approach or solution. I will never understand why "body acceptance therapy," where we simply teach people to accept themselves and their bodies, is not considered an option. Why is it that having a gender that doesn't conform to your sex so much worse than surgery that leaves people with shortened lifespans and infertility? I don't feel as though the therapy option has truly been explored because it's not as profitable as the surgical option.
The particular tragedy of it all is the fact that loads of teenagers go through a form of body dysmorphia during puberty. Of course it does; your body is changing for a roughly 12-year period beyond your control and your brain doesn't keep up. I for example was awkward around the word "beard" and "moustache" for that entire period.
Let me add another for you: DIY-HRT for desperate teenagers butchering the parts to become something they're not. Courtesy of Keffals
Conversation therapy for trans literally doesn't exist. It's just regular therapy.
Because transition therapy and surgery is the new racketeering business.
Ironically conversion therapy is a better descriptor of "affimation surgery/therapy" It never fails to impress me how people with that mindset live on pure projection.
No. And the question is not complicated either.
The issue is that the self-identification route doesn't hold water either, because there's a lot of "you might be trans" stuff going on. Call it grooming, call it propaganda, call it people just reading about it online: It still happens.
I'm of the opinion that this question wouldn't and couldn't have even existed without the internet. Before the internet we accepted that some people had a psychological disorder in which they were "born in the wrong body," which went deeper than just identifying as the other gender. It was accepted, and people treated the people who had this condition as if they were the gender they believed they were. And I think that's the difference: One is a belief that you are a woman, the other is identifying with "the things that people consider to be a woman." I don't think those are the same.
In either case, I don't think the identity view of gender would have gotten any traction without the internet, people simply wouldn't have been exposed to such extreme ideas. Tomboys and fembois would have grown up as normal, some would figure out they were gay, others just that they didn't like conforming, but they'd still identify with their sex.
Also considering that it seems to be a fetish for seemingly alot of people is kinda a issue to of the internet.
All I need to do is look at the eggirl reddit and see the sort of degenerate behavor that goes on in there.
The Answer is No
Nooo we can't lose Dev and Nick in the same week!
Nick?
@@wolfscareglow2425 Nick Rekeita. UA-cam yeeted his channel yesterday.
He's the lawyer who streamed both the Rittenhouse and Depp trials to great success.
@@DJ_Macphisto What topic did they nuke him for, if it was clear?
@@Sensorium19 mass report seems so far from keffals. He said he was gonna read the ethics reports from the people trying to disbar him since it has their information on it. Since they wanted to ruin his life why not share a bit.
@@Sensorium19 he associates with such reprobates as Null of Kiwi Farms, the final boss of the Troons himself
Tldw: no, they are just men pretending and we are now forced to indulge them in their delusion.
This video is a perfect showcase of why I like you dev. Ya make a good point, in a clear and concise manner, and you're not slandering any group as you do it.
I don't always agree with you, but damned if you aren't articulate enough to make me understand why you're saying what you are.
No. Not afraid to say it in person. Not going to change because some crazy people said otherwise. The definition provided at the beginning of the video (0:44) works just fine. It is based in scientific fact.
Did not “make up” definitions of male and female. The distinctions were there, we simply labeled them. That is just like no one is “assigned X at birth”. No one is assigned anything at birth, their sex is observed.
You are falling into Derrida’s mistake (hell the entire Third Wave mistake) of ascribing reality through definition - linguistics as weapon - rather than a definition being used to describe observable reality.
The existential, subjective experience of “woman“ is simply insufficient. It is nothing that we can agree upon with universality, there’s nothing that can be observed, and there’s nothing that has utility to anyone other than the self-referential, putative “woman“
“Adult, human, female“ describes a material reality. And that reality is a woman.
All we have to do is change the definition of death and we're going to live forever. Immortality is finally within our reach!
*claps* Change that last line to something witty and it will give the opposition less ammo; Like I can feel them Ree'ing from here.