The Ultimate FPV Digital Toothpick - Walksnail Babytooth - 3" Sub250g - Freestyle and Build Guide
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- The 3" Toothpick is my all-around favorite micro quad to fly - and here's why!
Find battery holder STLs Here! (Thanks Jake): www.thingiverse.com/jakelegro...
Music: Carless - No Spirit
0:00 - Intro
2:59 - 1s Flight
5:52 - 2s Flight
9:08 - Range Test 1s
10:56 - Range Test 2s
13:47 - Build Info/Tips
20:17 - Summary
I built my first 3” 1s last year after I saw a couple of your toothpick videos, and the 3” 1s has turned out to be a perfect outdoor daily driver when the weather allows.
Easy to charge a whole fist full of packs and go rip just about anywhere, and perfect for just stepping outside for a quick break on the patio.
This size of quad just gets a lot of flight time for me, and if I had to pick only 1 quad, I think I would agree.
Ive got HDZero goggles, but my 3” 1s are still only analog so far since they just keep flying so good. I really gotta do an HD toothpick for this summer soon! 🤟
Really man, thank you for the inspiration! This build size completely changed the game for me.
Thank you very much for sharing - means a lot to me to hear and I’m glad you are having a great time with it. Those reasons you listed are exactly why I love the platform - stress free non bothersome platform that’s surprisingly capable. And analog still preforms the best for sure but I would say definitely try an HD build. You can never have too many 🫡🫡
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I love the orbit around Niles pooping
3 inch 1S has been my overall favorite for a few years now. I use a Crux3 frame and stock up on them cheap. I run HD zero and Analog. The prop area to weight is great and very efficient and powerful depending on how you fly. I run for a battery a 450 for best power to weight on up to 550,650, 820 all the way up to a Sony Vt6 3000 mah lion and fly 15 minutes. So whatever your mood it will do it. My other favorite I just purchased is the Crux35 Hdzero with the 1 watt freestyle vtx. Great machine overall too but it is 4s. Great video Moe!!
Thank you very much! And damn I didn’t even think about the LION option - that would be super cool to try. I would probably put a nice external diversity ELRS RX and do some long range missions with it. I might have to to try this 😮😮 but probably couldn’t put that one on UA-cam 😛
3inch rules, more so with walksnail and go2 on top ;) but for all that weight my go to setup is 1204-5000kv with those props. If the all up weight is less than 180grams, for 3-4s it is golden. Love that the fc is over the walksnail vtx, broke one vtx, only a tpu canopy is not enough protection sadly.
Could tell just by watching that the 1s flies so much nicer, love your work mate! Keep it up.
I love that little 1s build - one of my all time favorites to date so I tend to baby it lol Thanks for the kind words
Looks awsome, thank you for sharing it
Really impressed with how good your video production has gotten! The build videos are my favorite.
Also, the amount of footage I have orbiting my dogs while they do their duty is hilarious.
Mr Meaty!! Thank you, it means a lot to hear that. Thanks for always stopping by. And yes it seems every time I give the dogs any attention they find a way to ruin it LOL
Love the videos! You are really good at this stuff bro.
Thank you very much ! Appreciate you
Nice work Moe! Yeah WalkSnail micros you just can't beat! Cheers!
TY !
3” 1s is also my favorite!
Yezzz finally toothpick video action!!❤ Moe is dope
TY very much Penguin!
Love these things, they look so spicy! This makes me want to take my 2 Crux3's out, lightly moded 1s and spare parts HDZero 2s build. Just finished tunnig the 2s. I honestly love the screaming big quad motors, those close by maybe not so. So I get the stealthyness of the 1s for sure, I like analog tehre for the weight reduction as well. Meanwhile that 2s lets you pack more and that extra punch. Thanks for taking us for a rip and the build breakdowns, love these! Cheers!
You’re gonna have to build up a walksnail one as soon as you get this VRX 😉thanks for dropping by amin0!
I put a naked vista on my old 2s crux3 a couple of years ago and probably fly it more than all my other quads combined, since I can step out the door and fly it in the yard without bothering the neighbors.
Nicely done video! I might build one of these
You will love it!
I built one on the sanchez frame, tmotor F7 45a AIO, walksnail 1s vtx lite, tmotor 1404 4600kv. Those tiny 4s rline 550mah lipos. It's a damn monster.
Say what??
Great Vid as always Moe! I also highly recommend the 3in 1s platform! its super cool for a 1s batt to be spinning that big of a prop so well!
Thank you Jake and thanks for the awesome battery holder solution !
Thanks Moe great video nice detail. Miss my 3 inch 1S Walksnail build. Your lucky 13.43 your spotter is perfect. Thumbs up
Thank you very much ! And yes always have to have my FAA APPROVED SPOTTER on deck 😛
Great video and great flying man! I've always liked how you presented your videos and Im also gonna agree that the toothpick class will always be my favorite class. Ngl, I got to see the "rise" of toothpicks back then even before kababfpv pushed it further - and I knew that it was gonna be an amazing platform and its nice that they're still getting the love they deserve today. amazing content as always!
Thank you brother! Its just such a capable platform especially on 1s. Been experimenting more with smaller 1s ductless micros lately and there is a lot of potential for a more traditional/less floaty experience there. Will have to follow up with another video in the future. How is that WHOOP FRAME coming?? ;)
@@MoeFPV 1s has come a very long way for sure! Bet that if we could go back in time and tell people 1s could be used for 2 to 3in drones - they'd laugh!
Actually, this was just a thought but....yknow how back then, 0802 motors could spin those really light kingkong/LDARC 65mm props? We'll gemfan actually has light 65mm props and I always wondered howd they work with 1002s 🤔 kinda like a revamped 2.5in toothpick. Anyways just the thought
Hehehe...actually I'm editing the announcement video for it right now (super last minute)...and you can actually get the frame in CNCMadness already HAHAHHA I just haven't told anyone yet 😂
great video, homey!
Thank you kev!
My old Firefly 2s nano baby 20 with the F405 needs this conversion! Been collecting dust because it's not nearly as fun as the Mob8, but this looks great. I got to try this. Great video Moe!
Thanks Todd! The 2s Nano Baby was a cool quad but not sure if it was the tune or what for me but it just didnt seem to handle itself well. Maybe the motors being a bit small on such high KV. I love the larger motors lower KV - seem to handle the weight better but less punch
I recently built a 46 gram crux3 with walksnail and it is by far the best flying quad I have tried out of every other category, I have tried them all including all goggles, boards and battery setups. With a SuperX HD controller I got weight down to 42 grams, but the MP6500 on the Darwin 15A ELRS just feels so much better. My best build is "crux3ish walksnail" on rotorbuilds. I also have a 1 gram TPU battery mount I designed.
Excellent weights! And my god the MPU boards fly so much better, its true. For that reason, I usually stick to flywoo on a build like this. There boards have been great to me
3:18 "I dont know what's going on there"...I know exactly whats going on 😂😂😂
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Again with the toothpicks eh Moe!!! 😂
Nice video dude!
Also build me one!
Thank u toe MAs
MoeFPV you make the best Videos.
IMO: this is the best area to be playing in for FPV, the stealthy Micros and toothpicks so much fun.
A good method of getting parts cheap is to buy BNF donner quad something like WS Mobubla8 or the lite version and use motors and AIO or the Pavo Pico
Thank you very much !! And yes having a quiet little quad that won’t bother anyone just makes for a stress free fun flight experience. And true - a lot of these builds are put together off the backs of other quads repurposed ! Thanks again for the kind words
Awesome builds. I didn't catch what AIO FC's your using for the 1s or 2s?
I love build videos. I only build :)
have a 2s 1202.5 6000kv HDZ build. It’s great for parcs, but too big for my garden. That’s why I downgraded to 1002s and 2”… still 2s as 1s was not as fun.
Cheers!
good stuff. you gotta try an o3 discus
TY brother!
Also created 2s 3inch Walksnail. Crux3 frame, 1202.5 8000kV and 1s v3 vtx. 44g dry. Flying supergood and not so much noise. 3 inch rules)
Probably gonna build this in the future
Awesome build ! The V3 walksnail camera is amazing - 4:3 image is so good. Glad you’re enjoying it
Thanks for the video! Im thinking of building the 1s one. Is a 5a AIO enough for 1s or is a 12a AIO a safer bet? I think I might use the new Flywoo F405 12A AIO since they released a V2 with a 9v BEC which to my understanding should reduce the brownout of the WS VTX. Also, are you able to release your PIDs and settings for your 1s toothpick? Thanks!
Great vid Moe! 👌 I think I need to pull my 13mm motors off my AOS T3 (3S) to build a light 2S 😂
MCLOGO ! Thanks man , Glad to hear from ya! hope you are well. I have never flown the AOS T3 - how is it? I have a soft spot for the babytooth and FPV cycle
@@MoeFPV I'm good again thanks! Had to undergo surgery in my head in March but I'm fine and back flying again ;) And you?
The AOS T3 is more rigid than the TP3 which makes it tunable with 3S but as everything get's heavier with 3S it tends to break arms very quickly. Flies nicely so in my opinion. ua-cam.com/video/Mq3AgHRHJvE/v-deo.html Sub 120g is too heavy I think and there are many places to easily lose weight: V3 Walksnail 1-3S, canopy, battery holder etc. and also the 3S 450 battery. I think the goal with 3S would be to get around 100g and see how it flies and handles crashes then.
It's a sore subject lol. I built one specifically for 2s with bt3.0, and my walksnail vtx was having an issue with freezing, and I lost a brand new build😭 lmfao. I have been holding off on walksnail since. I bought a second set of goggles (the walksnail v1) because my goggles X have been trash so far. This video is making me want to buy another air unit and nano cam, and try it again though.
I have heard a lot of issues with WS - I think I am one of the lucky ones (so far). The little 1s VTX has been good to me, though. Just phenomenal what can come out of a single cell battery
Don't you like A30? All my 1s batteries are A30 now, so i think I take my chance.
I like crux3, so will build one❤
A30 is just as good at BT2.0 and you will be fine using that connector, as well. I just prefer the xt30 for HD builds especially with larger motors but you will still have a great flight experience with the A30. Good luck with the build and let me know how it goes !
I absolutely love 3s with these 3 inch toothpicks. You can really throw anything at it. But it sure is loud. 2s is not quite as fun for me, not enough punch. I might try 1s at some point for some stealth park flying :)
3s is crazy fast ! I remember doing a punch out in the backyard and I just seemed to float forever 🤣 definitely a lot of fun - you can never have too many toothpicks !
excellent video. I'll probably move my similar build to a baby tooth frame to drop some weight. one question......why put the aio ON TOP of the vtx? seems like that would bake your aio and just add length to your motor wires.
Good question - Ideally, I would rather the AIO be below, but a lot of these 1-2s AIOs have a vertical USB that sticks up and would be inaccessible otherwise as there is no USB port below the frame. Some AIOs have horizontal USBs, which would work nicely, but most are heavier than the flywoo boards I used here. I should have addressed that in the video
Rcinpower has some great new 1303 for 1s and 2s.
HMMMM I did not know this - thank you for the info , I am very interested given the recent 13mm fpv cycle motor drought
Hey, nice guide. ill convert my old nanohawk x to hd. it's just laying around for 2 year after analog vtx burned. Do you mind sharing canopy stl (if it's public)?
I loved my nanohawk x until my dog took a bite out of it midair LOL the canopy is public, it actually belongs to flywoo. You can find the STL on their website for free with all HD cam options too!
Great video! I wonder if there's a good toothpick that's dead cat forprops out of view for that hd walksnail footage or if it'd be reasonable to just raise camera angle enough to get props out of view
I have definitely seen builds on DJI elevate the cam high enough (maybe due to needing 3 boards in total) to get the props out of view - I agree sometimes it’s nice to have that unobstructed DVR especially with WS
Great video! Do you mind dropping the PIDs in the description or comments for 1s? I love my toothpick, but have a hard time tuning it. Thanks!
I sometimes hesitate to share PIDS as so many variables go into the process. If you had an absolutely IDENTICAL build , it should work without issue. I can upload a screenshot when I return home after the long weekend - ping me again here if you don’t hear from me by next week
@@MoeFPV Hey thanks for the video! I just finished building my 3inch 1s Walksnail toothpick, using mostly your parts, 49g dry weight, 64g auw, but it doesn't fly well, could you drop your PID tune?
Also what batteries would you recommend for 1s ?
How do you change the connector from BT2.0 to xt30 on the battery?
You can just snip your current connectors off and solder up XT30 leads or you can purchase XT30 1s batteries
Kabab has great stuff but unfortunately most of the time it's out of stock frame motors etc great video 😊 can you also share the stl of the canopy?
I’ve been waiting for a motor restock for a long time now - I think 6 more weeks :( and this canopy is the new flywoo nano baby canopy with the back cut off ! They have the STL on their site for all the systems ! (Very nice of them)
Just built one too but I’m using BT2.0 for a connector. Have you ever tried it to to compare to xt30?
I have compared them on a Nuffinga 3” 1s build on 13mm motors analog. I found myself hitting the dirt towards the last 30 seconds or so of the battery expecting more power. You can certainly get away with BT 2.0 especially if you have a lighter build and smaller motors - and further it could just be I’m a bit more sensitive to the difference. If you’re enjoying your build and it’s flying well I would 100% keep it bt 2.0
Do you have PID tuning for this quad ?
been playing with the 3in 2s Im still not convinced that 1s can really do it
I guess that depends on what “IT” is 😛but 2s is no doubt more capable. 1s fits my flight style, though - quiet convenient cruiser with a few tricks up it sleeves !
Do you believe the performance will be noticeable if i build one with 1s bt2 connector ?
It really depends on the build. If you build one with Walksnail and 13mm motors on 1s then yes, I firmly believe that you will notice a difference in flight performance and battery sag. But if you build one ultralight with smaller motors, you may not notice much of a difference at all. I would say it is still worth building on BT2, though
What frame is that?? And motors
I have BT20 on a 57g auw 3" toothpick. the Battery sag is real but so far I haven't really experienced too much sag where it deters my flying style lol. crazy tho how much faster my 1s feels vs my 2s toothpick. I blame tuning lol
Are you running the 13mm or the 1202.5? On my Nuffinga build on 13mm motors I used bt2.0 and would find myself hitting the dirt towards the last third of the pack. But I have a super light Nuffinga on bt and 1202.5 and I can run out the whole battery. It’s definitely weight and motor dependent but now that I have a stack of bats I’ll always grab the xt30
@@MoeFPV ya I remember that video and made me keep an eye on how the battery acts when flying. i got the 1202.5's there wasn't any 13mm motors i found in stock at the time lmfao. But ya i'd like to a build a digital pick but I may just do 2s just because i dont want to make xt30 1s battery plugs lol the 1s picks are the truth tho.
Niles the Corgi / Infinity Poops Slap 😆
Lmao TRUE - potential collab @infinityloops 🤣
Why would you choose 1s over 2s ? I got Firefly 2S Nano Baby 20 laying around and I thought about doing the swap what motors would you recommend for swap for a crux 3 frame ? the stock ones are Flywoo ROBO 1002 15500KV
Just personal preference - 1s has cheaper batteries and is quieter/lighter. But 2s is also a lot of fun. I dont think we would want to through a 3" prop on 1002s. Motor is not big enough to handle that much prop. 2" is about as much as I would go on that motor. You would need to replace the motors with at least, IMO, 1202.5
@@MoeFPV for freestyling would you still go for 1s?
I just build one it flies amazing
Do you run Walksnail v1 or goggle X goggles?
My DJI V2 are starting to shit out.
Are there any build videos out there that go through every build step of these toothpicks and how to configure them? i would love to build that 2s but i dont know where to begin
Also if you have time could you post a shopping list of all the bits needed to make this awsome quad
where do i find the desk portion you mentioned ?
I may consider doing an in-depth build guide in the near future - I understand it can be a tough task when youre first starting. All the parts listed in the opening are pretty much all you would need to put one together but it may be difficult for your first build. I would just be careful!
@@MoeFPV Would love to see a full build tutorial for a 2s walksnail toothpick build, cant really find anything out there in terms of a step to step build guide
I just bought a crux 3 elrs with the hopes of putting a walksnail 1s vtx on it.
The crux 3 1s elrs? You can certainly do it but that board you have on there is a 5-1 with internal analog VTX. And that board is becoming very hard to find! You may want to keep it as it - maybe just swap the Ph2.0 for BT2.0 or XT30 and call it a day. I would also recommend trying either the HQ durable or the 3018 props for some extra punch in the form of higher pitch !
@@MoeFPV thank you so much. You actually inspired me to get it with your previous videos on the 1s 3 inch platform. I bought it just for the purpose of building my first digital toothpick to go with my avatar x goggles. Till now I have been using it just as analog goggles with a mod. I thought getting the crux 3 elrs was the easiest way to get to what you were showing in the video. A noob question, once I solder and configure the walksnail 1s lite vtx does it turns off the onboard analog vtx and can I safely remove the vtx antenna? Or does it still powers the analog vtx and I need to keep that antenna on the board?
@@mrityunjay1234 happy to hear you’re giving the platform a go ! So you will have to do something to disable the internal VTX. Sometimes, the boards have a pad that can either be jumped or UNjumped to disable the onboard VTX. Check out a wiring diagram for that board (is it the 2G4?) and see if you can find a pad that references VTX power. I guess you could also just go into betaflight and to the VTX tab and set the channel and band to NONE and the VTX power to 0 , as well
I enjoy 2s because the batteries just seem to last longer than my 1s (not flight time but life of the battery). I do really like the 1s for the same reason you do, I really need to sell my dji stuff and buy into walksnail (although I have hdzero goggles). Have you tried tri-blade props on the 2s? You might have to put slightly smaller props on, but should be more efficient based on the data. FWIW I have 2s 41g analog quad (2inch)+ battery, its incredible
I also find that my 1 cell batteries tend to need replacing at LEAST 2x as often as my 2s, but I don’t mind TBH. I love all the systems for their own strengths.
And I did once try tri blade 3” props - just not for me on toothpicks. I like the floaty slippery feel of a bi blade 🤣 although I always assumed bi blades to be more efficient given the lighter weight/resistance of 1 less blade
@@MoeFPV sorry to bother you once again, I have some questions about walksnail - I currently use hdzero, and I like to fly both relaxed and hard/fast, almost all flights are in small/tight spaces (around my house, like you do). 2.5inch 2s or I've just purchased a crux3 to try out the 1s scene as per your video. I'm curious whether you use hdzero or analog goggles with a walksnail vrx? whats the latency like with a vrx? I saw something about the hdmi output (conversion from walksnail to hdmi out) increases latency even more. Whats walksnail on a micro like with the latency in a small space? Its really expensive to purchase the whole walksnail setup just to test
@@xyic0re714 No bother at all - very good question. I think I wont be able to give you a good answer as latency perception/tolerance is different pilot to pilot. I can say you will probably feel it, if you primarily fly analog and HDZ. Will it be enough to ruin the experience for you? I want to say no. I really enjoy WS for what it is, and is amazing to fly on micro quads. Though I would say its best to try it, if you can, before purchasing.
I have the walksnail goggles x - the VRX may have some minor additional latency depending on which goggle you are using it with. It really only works with the HDZ goggles or the new Skyzone 04X pros as they allow for the use of the low latency mode. All other goggles will have increased latency as you can not use that mode. I had the HDZ goggles and the VRX was a fine experience compared to the new goggles x.
@@MoeFPV Thanks, appreciate the in-depth info. I do have dji, but have transitioned into micros (I much prefer them given my flying locations, and I've found I prefer to create 'tracks' for myself to race. When I only had dji I didnt much notice the latency, but obviously I've been flying a lot of analog in recent times. How do you find the walksnail goggles x compared with the hdzeros, I really like the fit of the hdzeros (zero light leak), and I like the community focus of hdzero. for me fpv is a lot about tinkering/community.
Is this an onboard recording dvr allowed by the vtx? There is no interferences whatsoever
The VTX is capable of onboard recording. The intro to this video was all onboard so lossless/no interference. The flights in the middle is the goggle footage so all interference and breakup is shown. You can record both at the same time
Xt30 vs. bt2 on 1s 3´ do you really get less brown outs?
Cant believe it either
Xt30 is superior considering I came from year of bt2 usage.
I can say I’ve very easily noticed increased battery sag on bt2.0 13mm motors compared to an xt30 build. I found myself hitting the dirt a lot more than I normally would at the end of the battery. I also asked kabab this question personally to affirm that reasoning. I never built up a walksnail 3” 1s on bt2.0 because of this
BUT it’s not as though you couldnt build one up on bt2.0 - you’d still have a great quad and, depending on the build weight , motor size and kv, you may not even notice a difference. Don’t feel as though you have to invest in a bunch of xt30 1s bats to experience this awesome platform !
@MoeFPV Thanks for taking the time to respond. And yeah, very true, just build and try :))
Thanks for the video, good one 👍
Any link to these drones? Thx
These are both custom builds so you’ll have to piece the parts together - unfortunately no link to a build
Happymodel has 1202.5 in 11000kv, 8000kv and 6400kv. What are your thoughts on 8000kv for 2s? Or should I go with the 6400kv keeping it closer to the FPV Cycle?
I've built multiple of these on 2s. Out of those options, I would go with the 8000kv for 2s 3inch. 6400kv might be just enough, but it also might not. You can always limit motor output if 8000kv is too much, but with 6400kv that's what you got. Also, if you want to experiment with lower pitch props, you need the extra kv :)
Rcinpower 1204 8000kv are the best I tried
@@hiphur Thanks. They have been ordered! Now the hard part is finding a frame in stock. 🤦
Yes agree with the below - always better to have a little too much than not enough/can always be limited. Should be a fun build !
@hiphur I have a set of 1202.5 11,500kv motors. Could I use a motor limit on those motors on 2S? Any issues or cons with doing this?
Can you drop the PIDs for both 1s and 2s?
I probably will do this after I return from the long weekend
That’s a reaaaaally long long weekend 😆 would appreciate a tune as well, thank you 🙏🏽
same here ;p
Nice, capacity of battery 1s 2s ?
Both ! The red is 1s the white is 2s
@@MoeFPV I mean the recommended mah for each one.
I have more hrs on 1s 3in out of all others.
Hell yeahh my brother !
dogs to low to powerloop :D
With the new BS law, suppose of Lee is any of that Chinese maid materials. Because they won't be allowed I think goes through
I did hear rumors about that - hopefully nothing will come to fruition
Niles be s#!ttin all over your video,
I'm converting my flywoo firefly 1s to 2" propeller so i don't need to upgrade the motor
What motors come on that build? Im sure that will be sweet!
It would be a great build if they had them in stock
I know :( kabab said 6 weeks or so from today they should be back