The Jambu Island - Know your country | Ganesh Raaja Natarajan
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- The talk is based on the book - “The Jambū Island”. This book chronologically organizes the Rishis, kings, literary evolution, people's lives, and scientific progress based on Sanskrit and Tamil literature. It aims to eliminate myths, interpolations, and exaggerations. It strives to present the story in a logical and captivating narrative, with many pictures.
This book covers the period from roughly 6000 BCE to 3138 BCE, narrating significant events including the rendering of the Vedic mantras by the Rishis, the Aryan clan split towards Iran resulting in the formation of the Zōrōastrians, the atrocities and defeat of the Haihaya clan, fusion of Nāgās and other native tribes into the Vedic religion, Āryan colonization of South India, and the Bharata battle at Kurukshetra.
Amazing truth and facts about Sanatan Dharma. Namaskar and Naman❤🌹🙏
Thank you Ravinder ji
Very interesting talk about our history. Thanks Sangam talks n the writer of the book.
Thank you sir for the encouragement....
Most damaging reference is at @28:00+ where it is shown as Aryans Vs. n number of tribes in other words - aryans are a tribe - which is completely wrong - how come then the rakshasa have Rishi lineages similarly for so many others mentioned in the vs. it is simply a wrong proposition.
Aryan is a title and not referring to any Race as it tries to point out.
He may be a propangadist… who tries to prove some western interest..
Thank you for your comments, Anand ji. Manu and his tribes started calling themselves as 'Aryas' which referred to the 'fire worship' and 'Chandas' language. Not necessarily a name of a 'race'. If there was a misunderstanding reg the same, my apologies.
But, the Aryans mingled with all other tribes through marriage relations. There was a culture, custom and knowledge exchange happened through this. Hence it is quite possible... Many examples like Rishi Vishravas, Bhima (of the Pandavas) etc.
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Thank you for your reply and clarification.
I don't think there was any such classification of Arya and other tribes. Arya means a person who is respected for his great actions and the behaviour that is cultured and respected in the society. There are so many references that call the same person as An-Arya when the same person does something uncultured, or show a behaviour that is not respectable, like how Krishna calls Arjuna.
How come one fire worshipping fellow becomes a different person who doesn't worship fire, if you want to stick to your definition?
The famous BG 2.2 of Krishna clearly calls Arjuna as "Anarya-justam" that only indicates someone who behaves in a manner unbecoming of an honorable person. Meaning Arya means an honorable person
If we take whatever meaning you are giving it will look very similar to the Abrahamic books definitions of people then. It is not an indication of the others to differentiate between one community of believers to others as defined in Abrahamic culture like Kaafirs in Qur'an or the Heathens in the Judaism or Christian theology.
So, you better rethink seriously about the meaning.
Chandas is not a language. It is the Veda Anga - that explains the rhythm and meters in the Vedic Deva bhasha not language as people understand.
What do you mean to say. If I have an English phase or a German phase that has a certain rhythm to become Sanskrit - because it conforms to that defined rhythm?!
@@ganesh-natarajan also left to explain - do you mean to say Bhima, Rishi Vishravas married An-Arya's 🤔😢
Ved mentioned Bharat as Jambu dwip. Jambu Island. Island is defined as surrounded by water on all sides. So if we consider that our Rushies are pointing to Island of India before emergence of Himalay. Aren't you limiting time frame of Ved because others did. If you take India as Jambu dwip, than Ved time gets pushed back to millions of years. What is your thought about this?l
Jambu Dwip was a bigger region than Bharat. Probably the 'dwip' word was used to point to the 'continent' as a whole. Since the region of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. had lot of 'Jamun' trees, our ancestors called it 'Jambu Island'. coming to the terminology, the name of country/region occupied have evolved over time, like 'Brahmavarta', Aryavarta and then Bharata.
But Jambu Dwipa was used to refer to a greater India.
We don't even know our complete Bharat Khanda.
There are 9 varsha and Bharat Varsha is one of them. All these are existing multi-dimensionaly.. Hence nowadays these neo-indologists preaching absolute wrong information.
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Vedas are immortal you see as they found evidence they say Veda 4000 5000 6000 10000 years old and on going
Zambian dweep is in where Bharat khand that is Bharat present it was whole earth land area when it wasn’t decided that even geogrphy accepted that previous earth was a one land part later it divided in 7 island so mentioned in bhagwatam which is appread by vyasadev . It’s written there all 7 continents their sea and the parallel universe as well the all universe
Reverse Arya theory holds good!!!
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🎉 pranam sir
Namaste sir! Thank you!
Like a realistic view of history. Some clarity about Aryans and immigration to Iran etc how do you link the vaivaswata manu and Daravids.
When question ⁉️ itself is wrong - like "why a rabbit is having deer horns".
Similarly - there is no daravids as they where are vaivaswata manu people themselves.
There is no mention of the word 'Dravida' in the Rig Veda. The term itself is a later one.
there is no aryan invasion ever happened. Please have some update first
Book (paper back) not available in Amazon??
jayathu samskritham jayathu bharatham
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what makes you think indus sindhu or Saaras- vaati are different from each other?
Thank you for your comment. There are references to both Sindhu river and Saraswati river in the Rig Veda. RV.VII.36.6 mentions that the Saraswatī is the seventh river, whose mother is the Sindhu. It also says that the Saraswatī river is the most important of these seven rivers (RV.VI.52.6). Hence we need to consider them as two separate rivers is my opinion.
@@ganesh-natarajan Sapt-sindhu is mother river..good observation! . Is Saraswati important coz all Rishis lived by its bank? Saras a sin bird Saras!
Please give TIME lines..of unfiltered puranik events.
We can conclusively date only the Mahabharata war. Any event before that can't be dated with consensus. We can only time-box the events and arrange them chronologically... like Manu to Mahabharata war between ~6000 BCE to 3138 BCE.
Could you elaborate why you have chosen the title is "Jambu Island".
Greater India was referred as Jambu Dwipa in ancient times. The counry was full of Jamun trees.
Were the inhabitants of Aryavarta arya clans or Aryan clans?
Manu and his tribes started calling themselves as 'Aryas' which referred to the 'fire worship' and 'Chandas' language. Not necessarily a name of a 'race'. Not sure if I answered your question. Please elaborate if not.
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I thought The word arya is older than the word Aryan . Can the words Aryan and arya be used interchangeably?
@@bhanuganesh7457 The word Arya is a Samskrit word. The plural is Aryaha. But when we represent the same in English, both Aryas or Aryans can be used. But Aryas might be a better fit.
In any case, both Aryas or Aryans don't represent a 'race'.
@@ganesh-natarajan thanks. I did not ask about "race", just curious about nomenclature.
Pirates, dacoits are called Dashyu(s). They lived in groups definitely they became a clan later
ok, thanks for the additional info sir.
that week is by monorama which is by missionaries basically against india wisdom
Thanks for pointing it out. yes, indeed. But we have a duty to explore and know our country better so that we confront these!
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Explain the cosmology of universe according to Vedas and jambudweep explained if at all any reference was there in Vedas
If Vedas was enough why required vedanta philosophy at all
Your question shows your assumptions and ignorance. Study more. Vedanta is the concentrated juice of Vedas. Asking a question based on shallow assumptions shows more about you than about Vedas or vedanta
Sir, I have not done any deep research on the 'cosmology of universe' from our Vedas/Upanishads. I am sorry that I am not able to answer your first question.
My answer for your second question:
From a lay man perspective, Rig Veda sukta has suktas in praise of gods. Yajur Veda, Brahmanas etc. explain the procedure of performing/explanation of the Vedic rituals.
This is what is referred to as Karma Kanda - it focuses on Vedic rituals. It can be considered as more suited for materialistic pursuits.
Later the Rishis evolved Upanishads which were more philosophical. they try to 'answers' the question on how to attain a higher level of spiritual state. This forms the 'Vedanta' part or Gnana Khanda of the Vedas. Hope I am making sense.
@@desiremixx7622 Sir, my humble opinion. No harm in asking any question. He wants to learn. Let's spread and share our knowledge than discouraging.
mammatha... curri... microsoft computer problem.
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6500 years is too recent - you must collaborate with Nilesh oak etc
@31:25+ the wrong notion that pallu is later addition - Siva worship - as we have so many Vedic rituals from the time of Veda itself indication of the inclusion of the Shiva Linga worship.
Dear Ananad ji, In the Rig Veda, the Rudra worship is prevalent. The phallus worship was absorbed by the Vedic Rishis. Post the Vedic period - Rudra, phallu god etc. evolved into Linga worship.
If you think Linga worship is mentioned in the Rig Veda, please point me to the verse/sukta.
@@ganesh-natarajan can you tell me what is your understanding of the word Shiva/ Siva is?! Is it a form or a formless worship?! The word Linga may not be present in the Vedic mantra but that doesn't mean it was adapted from the phallu worship later.
Also do you know that a lot of Vedic rituals and practices have been lost as well?!
The formless aspect of Paramatma is referred to in so many and the Nasadiya suktam is a classical example.
Rig Veda 10.129 :
"Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?"
While this hymn does not explicitly reference human reproduction, it explores the concept of creation and the origins of existence in a metaphorical and abstract manner.
Read it with the reference to the Sakthi form of worship mentioned in the Rig Veda 10.10.10
"Yonim agne, yonim aditi, yonim vā gārhapatyam,
Yonirāpah, yonirmṛtyuh, yonirviṣvam prajāpatiḥ."
Translation:
"O Agni, the yoni is Aditi, the yoni is the domestic hearth,
The yoni is the waters, the yoni is death, the yoni is the whole universe, the lord of creatures."
In this verse, the yoni is metaphorically associated with various aspects of creation and existence, symbolizing its importance in the cosmic order.
@39:30+ Asuras where not considered as negative till later periods, Deva and Asura are considered as step brothers and the negatives where never attributed even in the Mahabharata period as there were god and bad Asuras, it was the actions and attitude that determines the good and bad not the Kula or the lineage as before Rama there where bad kinds who where destroyed buy such people in a great parampara is rare but still such people are recorded and called out if not similarly emphasized to that of the great Rajarishi's of Rama's lineages
Dear Anandji, Asura Vs Deva fight is mythologized in the 'Samudra Manthan'. Asura (or Ahura) is a term used by Zorostrians even today.
In many contexts, many people assume the Rakshasas and Asuras are the same. But it is not. As you mentioned Asuras were step-brothers of Aryans, where as Rakshasas were a different tribe and they are human flesh.
Rakshas is vidhyadhar clans and not demons
Kindly update ur knowledge
Dear Sir, Can you please elaborate? What do you mean by Vidhyadhar?
I never mentioned that Rakshasas are demons. I meand they were a different tribe, lived in forests and ate human flesh. This is based on our literary evidence.
@33:10+ the misinformation of the growth of Mahabharata is obviously a western construction.
There are corruption and deviations in terms of additions and deletions to the slokas and word changes - that is obvious to such a big book, that doesn't mean that 8000 slokas changing as 24000 and suddenly becoming 100000 slokas, similar to what people see in current western countries who keep expanding their stories.
It is simply a wrong assumption and untenable proposition. The book was written in such a way to help retain the memory and story when printing wasn't there. So Mahabharata has repetitions for easy remembering, like a summary story then details and further intricate details it is explained. It is a human knowledge encyclopaedia. So comparing them to the releases of various versions as done today is just humbug, as people cannot believe that it can be a single sitting long research based compilation by Veda Vyasa Maharishi. It is because the west can't believe that there can be such a genuine person who can do it
What is the Yuga cycle defined and when exactly rishis existed on this karmabhoomi in first place
And if animal sacrifice was there in Vedas then how can they have concept of Nirvana or moksha or liberation in first place
Also Brahmins eating meat and non vegetarian food cannot talk about their love for cow
Beef eaters cannot be aryans in first place
Brahmin varna introduced by Jain King Bharat right ?
@@Agnostic7773 there is difference between Brahmin priest and Brahman
Also there were tapas Rishi and muni who did a lot of sadhna and sayyam
They obtained keval gyaan or brahm gyaan or higher consciousness state
They could therefore come up with detailed explanation of cosmos and rich granth
Absolute truth about cosmos is always one. So only the realised ones can see the true nature of cosmos
Guru Brahma
Guru Vishnu
Guru devo maheshwara
Guru sakshat parabrahm
Tasmai shree guruwey namah
We bow down at Lotus feet of such enlightened guru who has experienced Brahman
Others are Brahmin priest who can marry and assist in Pooja rituals
However they need not be realised enlightened beings
All 24 Jain tirthankaras were born in kshatriya household and were kings themselves but later renunciated samsaar and obtained enlightenment
@@Agnostic7773 so Jain temples and stupas have Brahmin priest as care taker of temple and assisting in Pooja rituals even now
However the Pooja rituals like pakshal Pooja,snatra Pooja etc are known to jain laymen and everyone can touch idol or vigraha and do the Pooja
What is necessary is that one needs to take bath and wear Pooja clothes ( clothes with which one has not eaten anything and not gone for nature call)
Thus associated with Jain temples there was public bath facilities available.
Also facility of dharmashala and bhojanashaala etc too comes from that
It's well explained and managed dharm
Besides praying in temples and stupas,jains have timely prayers called samayik prayers and pratikaman prayers or forgiveness prayer sitting on woolen carpet called katashna and facing north in direction of mount meru and mahavidehkshetra karmabhoomi
Entire karmic science explained in Jainism and also universe cosmology explained in Jainism especially the jambudweep, innermost dweep of madhyalok or middle realm of universe
@@Agnostic7773 human civilization is way ancient.
Yes the principle disciple or ganadhara of 24th tirthankara vardhaman mahavir was indrubhuti Gautam from Gautam gotra of Vedic Brahmins
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Swami
@@Agnostic7773 so basically there is no rigid caste system
Any Varna person can give up samsaar and take diksha
Every jeevatma can obtain enlightenment and subsequently liberation or moksha or Nirvana
There is no concept of Brahmin supremacy theory
However Jain temple and stupas have Brahmin priest who assist in Pooja rituals and practices and caretaker of temples
Regarding praying in temples
Everyone can touch idol or vigraha with Pooja dress
I.e one needs to take bath and wear fresh Pooja clothes .
Everyone can enter the garbhagriha but with pure Pooja clothes on .
Whereas rest part of temple, everyone can enter. Ranakpur Jain temple is visited even by non jains
@33:00+ is a fat lie. One of the least corrupt literature that we get currently after the Vedic literature is the Valmiki Ramayana (it may be a fat book but written by the great single Rishi Valmiki who was a teacher of Bharadwaja Maharishi itself and people should hear Dr.Ranganji on the subject of Ramayana, most of his study is based on the in-depth research on Ramayana. The Valmiki Ramayana is one of the least corrupt next to the Vedas.
Dear Anandji, No need to be emotional when we talk facts. I have great respect for Ramayana. The current version of Ramayana has references to Buddhism, it has idol worship etc. How do explain these discrepancies? Also the chronology of Solar line of kings is not the same between the Puranas and the Ramayana. Interestingly Kalaidasa has followed the chronology of the Puranas in his Raghuvamsa.
Request you to please refer to: 'Ancient Indian Historical Tradition' by Pargiter, 'Ramayana - a criticism' by C. V. Vaidya for more information.
I will refer to Dr. Ranganji's talks soon.
@@ganesh-natarajan there is nothing to do with blind emotions but fact based emotions are to be respected and that is called empathy, so these references that you have quoted are not based on truth is the point. Anyone can claim anything like if it is a 1 million sloka it cannot be written by one author - because it is so huge, these kinds of hypotheses are totally fake and blatantly lies, similarly i don't remember any Buddha referenced in Valmiki Ramayana.
Arya is Sanskrit term for noble or honourable and not any race 😂😅
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Troll spotted. Ignore the troll. Must be romila thappars protege😂😂😂
@@desiremixx7622 no
Rather we know about samanar rakhtam
And we know this nonsense Aryan supremacy theory
@@desiremixx7622 what was samanar rakhtam
@@desiremixx7622 samanar rakhtam
@23:00+ Agastya Rishi is quoted as part of Rig veda and first writter of Tamil Grammar (actually it is his student who is considered as the first grammarian) .
Also the relationship between the Asuras as mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayan is the most reliable evidence and not the stories written in his name or added 1000's of years later.
The Vedic rishis where present and well established at the time of Ramayana itself, including Agastya, Vashistha, Viswamitra etc.
Actually the primary sources needs to be analysed and worked rather than secondary sources.
The first Tamil Grammar was Agattiam. It is not existent today. Only stray references exist. The second grammar is 'Tholkappiam' written by Tholkappiar. It exists today. There is a common assumption that THolkappiar was a student of Agastya. Please refer to my appendix 11: ganeshraaja.in/docs/The-Jambu-Island-Appendices-v5.pdf (Appendix 11: Tholkappianar not a student of Agstya.) for more details.
The appearances of Agastya, Parashurama in Ramayana are later extrapolations in the Ramayana. How a person who lived 100s/1000s of years before will reappear again?
Nonsense…. He don’t have idea of timelines… well before Rama Arjuna was living.. and the explanation of shiv ling is nonsense
Do you mean, Mahabharata happened before Ramayana? That is not correct.
Don't be emotional when we try to infer facts. By understanding them my intention is not to undermine our culture/defame them. I have great respect for our tradition. But it doesn't mean that we should not try to understand them. Please read more on the origins of Shiva linga.
Very superficial knowledge. There is no word Aryan. It is Arya.
Dear Sir, the term is 'Arya', I agree. The Rig Veda has references to both Arya and Anarya.
But I don't see a lot of difference between Arya and Aryans. In my book I have clearly written that it doesnt refer to a 'race'. It was used to differentiate between the people who followed (a) fire worship (b) Chandas language (Vedic Sanskrit)
@@ganesh-natarajan Very kind of you for replying. Arya and Anarya is okay. About the words Arya and Aryan (or any word), some Sanskrit knowledge would help. It is about usage of correct words rather than copying the words used by Western scholars. About the race etc. that is your own opinion.
Arya tribes?
@@user-qq2se7tv2q I am not sure what the author is referring to Aryas as "tribes" whereas it has been proven by various scholars that Aryas were natives of India with rich cultural history of thousands of years. Anyway, that is a different topic. The word Arya means well behaved.
Abe Phallus ko "pallu" (pronounced like Sari ka 'pallu') kyun bol raha hai yeh? Paagal hai kya?
I am sorry. I stand corrected on my pronunciation of the word 'phallus'. Even another family friend of mine pointed this out. Thanks!
Random timeline, superficial understanding of Epic, what you mean by tribes, who can create ved, puranas, upanishadas?, foolish.
'Dear Sir, Why do you consider 'tribe' as a derogatory word? Please read my book to understand my point of view.
Hindi meh btao
Sir, though I manage Hindi, I may not be that fluent. You need to bear with me till I get that level of expertise :)
There is no such thing as the sangam era. Trying to create some new era. Oppose false claims and false history being created. God himself will destroy such false claims and people.
Dear Prasad ji, Please read more about Tamil Sangams. There were 3 Sangams in total. They are not fictions...
@@ganesh-natarajanNo way. Not interested in reading fiction. Did you say they are fiction. Not interested. There are more better things to know in this world.
This book is one of the worst book I read. I am not sure what kind of hidden background this author has but he has very smartly fooled the Sanjam talks channel.
To summarize, this author took the names of kings, sages, locations from Hindu scriptures and it's narrated events and written this book with his mis information and his wrongly assumed time line and lifestyle of those people( Vedic and Barath inhabitants )
Do not buy this book.
Dear Sir, Have you read my book completely? I would be happy to debate on the specific point where you have a difference in opinion. This blanket statement may not help anyone.
Having said that, I have taken most care and put years of effort to come up with a chronology which is correct and devoid of errors. My goal is to make common man aware about our great country and thereby build unity among us...
Aryan invasion theory is false so half of this lecture is false. The narattor in this video has half baked knowledge.
My book doesn't advocate Aryan Invasion theory. It is against it. It clearly mentions a group of Aryans left India and went Westwards and settled in Iran and Mittani. Request you to completely watch the video before typecasting.
@@ganesh-natarajan Remember Ganesh Not to use word Aryan and Dravidian in your video. These words are offensive to us, the Indians. We are Arya and not Aryans. And, the South Indian Languages have also evolved from Sanskrit. They are not Dravidian languages.
Accurate Vedic Hisotry - 6000 BCE to 3100 BCE.
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Small correction. Agasthya is credited with invention of Tamil language. He didn't learn it.
When Agastya visited Southern India, already there existed multiple small kingdoms with various chieftains ruling. Agastya didnt create Tamil language. He learnt it and wrote grammar for the same. Thereby he enriched the language. You can read the book or refer to other books for literary proof.
@@ganesh-natarajan No records of existence of Tamil language before Sage Agasthya . Literature in ancient south India only started after Sage Agasthya.
Use of Aryan race or tribe is not correct - there is no such tribe or race (pseudoscience and eugenics) in Veda!
I dont mean 'tribe' as a 'race'. If there is any misunderstanding, excuse me. My intention of using the word 'tribe' is to differentiate the group of people who have common practices.
I never mention Aryan as a race in my book. Please read the book to get my point of view.
Not everything is a myth in Indian texts. So please stop saying wrong things about Indian history.
Dear Sir, When I say myth, I don't undermine/defame our literature. My point is when you have to infer history you have to ignore/avoid myths. You have to infer the practical closest event.
For example, the literature tells that Urvashi flew to the sky from the palace of Pururavas. What is the possible practical event? Urvashi left Pururavs. What is the defamation I am committing here? I never tell they are fictious. I say they existed in this country and this is what must have happened with possible evidence.
If I am not clear, I will make sure that I emphasize this point in my next lectures...
@@ganesh-natarajan You can remove exaggerations but please don't use the word myth.