Busting The Myths Around Mahabharata | Ami Ganatra |
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- Mahabharat, the great epic by Rishi Ved Vyas, depicts a vast set of Characters, their morals and immorality, strength and weakness, love and hatred and many other factors that have guided an entire civilisation for centuries. Yet, there have been narratives and myths surrounding the epic including the discussion about it being a Mythology or History. Ami Ganatra delves deep into the narratives built around certain characters and busts the myths.
About the Speaker:
Ami Ganatra is a Computer Science Engineer and IIM Ahmedabad graduate with 15+ years of management experience including Bain & Company. She is a student of Yoga and Sanskrit who has authored Ramayana Unravelled: Lesser Known Facts about Rishi Valmiki's Epic as well as Mahabharata Unravelled: Lesser Known Facts about a Well-Known History.
Topics Covered:
0:00 Power Statement
2:10 Mahabharat aur Ramayan ke sanskar
4:50 What makes Bharatiyas different?
8:50 Mahabharat - History or Mythology?
13:30 The purpose of Mahabharat and Ramayan
14:40 Case Study of our ancestor's lives - lessons to be learnt
19:50 What is Dharma?
24:00 Dharma guides you to differentiate between situations and act accordingly
27:00 Karna, the sutputra - was he discriminated against?
31:00 Understanding the meaning of Sut and the features of their Jaati
35:58 Karna as a loyal friend of Duryodhana
41:30 Role of Draupadi in Mahabharat War
46:00 War should be the last resort according to Shastras
47:50 Women's Role in Ramayan
56:30 Arjun, the greatest warrior of all times
1:00:00 Arjun VS Duryodhan and Karna
1:02:25 Krishna's Geeta saar to Arjun - Arjun's humility as a learner
1:04:00 Arjun's thirst for learning more
Q&A
1:06:54 Is Women's role in Ramayan questionable?
1:09:48 Was Karan loyal to Duryodhan?
1:12:55 What is your opinion on Translations of our Granthas?
1:13:20 Eklavya Dronacharya episode taught as caste discrimination, was he accepted as Shishya?
1:17:05 Ask a question with the intention to learn
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I don't trust her
Bought and read Mahabharata Unravelled! Brilliant read! The passion with which Shri Ami speaks is awe inspiring!
@@KasDlonewolf it's her ego, not passion due to which she is trying to change the story of Mahabharata for some hidden agenda
& what is the hidden agenda? Please elaborate.
@@nothingwronginhinduism5923 Reason?
She is too good...one can keep listening to her hours...
Level of knowledge of Amiji is very high. She inspired me a lot and I am trying to read Ramayana & Mahabharata at the earliest.
Like to hear views like this, this brings the real values of our epics in light, instead of choosing sides, learn from all sides.
Good to see so young kids showing interested in such topics
I wish even I was there..!! Just love to listen to her..!!
The moderators are damn good at their job...👑
So nice to hear her always ❤
Pranam to Ami Ganatra ji
Lots of my questions on Mahabharat & Ramayan are answered by Ami Ganatra ji.
I am a big fan of Amiji's. She has analysed both the epics in great detail.
Another episode that proves women had power in India, is from Ramayana, when it is shown that Kaushalya, mother of Shree Ram, is the caretaker and governor of big chunk of villages under the rule of Ayodhya. She manages the administration of these villages, collects taxes, provides benefits and looks after these people as her own. It would not have been possible if women did not have power and agency in those times.
Very True, Ami ji.
Am greatful to her for clarifying so many things about the epics
Ami Gantara ma'am has nailed it.She has illuminated our minds with deep humanistic deep knowledge and gives us reality check on this real epic Ramayan and Mahabharata.
Mahabharatha itself is a mere story !
जय भारत। एमी जी 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Some ask questions just for the sake of asking.
Yes those people are there everywhere 😂
Love from Sikkim Ma'am❤❤❤
Many many thanks for you
Excellent exposition.
Lovely hosts
1:16:00@ even Bhagavada Gita encourages asking question sloka 34 Adhyaya 4
56:35 Yudhishthir ji Vann Parv me keh chukey ki Draupadi pancho patiyo pe ek jaisa samarpit hai aur Draupadi khud kahi hai ki Pancho Pandav unhe apne 5 senses jitne pyare hai equally.. Swargarohan Parv chapter jahan Yudhishthir ji kehte hai Arjun se zyada pyar karti hai vo poora chapter hi baad me add kiya gaya hai kyonki Spitzer manuscripts ke 1st century Mahabharat manuscript me Swargarohan Parv nahi mila arthat Ramayan ke Uttar Kaand jaise Swargarohan milawat hai Yudhishthir ji aisa kuch nahi kahe ki kisse zyada pyar Draupadi ko balki pehle hi keh chuke Draupadi equal pyar ki pancho se, Pandavo ke Vaanprast aashram dharan karna hi last hai Mahabharat ka.
By watching until sutputra i didn't mean manusmriti trust me,I was just randomly watching this video.
This is my nation where an tribal woman is president,where an OBC is a PM and a wonderful woman is finance minister.This is the nation with so many marvellously qualified people r at the helm of central govt kaa cabinet as I had expressed previously ! Jai hind❤ Mera Bharat mahaan❤ Proud to be Indian ❤🎉 Proud to be G20 presidency❤ Proud of Kashmir becoming integral part of India .
Proud to be India completing Mangalyaan & Chandrayaan 3.
Proud to be 5th largest economy from 10th previously in past 10 years.
You are great Didi
In astrophysics of science which talk about different reference of frame and it states that It is possible that in this universe the same event may look different when viewed from different reference frames. (hindi me is line ko bolu to ho sakta hai is universe me ek hi event alag alag reference of frame se alag alag dikhe)
i know it is the above line is very complicated to understand but it you watch in youtube there are many video about this topic and with the example they have proved this line
in today's era people are fighting over who is most powerful god in hinduism but actually in hinduism god is one i.e. parabrahm and sect is just a refernce of frame to perceive the parabrahm
if you follow vaishnavism sect(refernce of frame) you will find parabrahm is lord vishnu
if you follow shaivism sect(refernce of frame) you will find parabrahm is lord shiva
if you follow shaktism sect(refernce of frame) you will find parabrahm is goddess durga
Lord Vishnu, Lord Shiva, Goddess Durga are same i.e. parabrahm but due to different sects, they appear different to us.
the beauty of sanatan religion is we have no restriction on choice of god unlike the other religion. because nobody put restriction over god i.e. parabrahm if somebody worship lord ganesha then for him/her lord ganesha is supreme i.e. parabrahm if somebody worship lord hanuman then for him/her lord hanuman is supreme i.e. parabrahm
sanatan dharm believe that everyone has different image of god in their mind/soul and according to the image he/she should choose god. the idols of gods are representation of complete devotion of devotee toward his/her god
so all puranas are right but People viewed the same event from different frames of reference, so they saw the same event differently.
the confusion about the god arises when we trying to understand the god but the god is not a thing to understand but it is a thing to feel like air we can't see the air but we feel the presense of air buy using equipment like fan,AC etc. similarly we can't see god with this physical eyes we just feel the god by our devotion or by penance etc
that's why i have heard somewhere lord shiva says to his devotees that "don't try to understand me, because i am the above your intellectual power just feel me i am exist everywhere" and irony is foolish people are judge the god by just reading two or three books
btw, i strongly believe that No one can explain the concept of God better than science.
Ami ji on fire!! 44:44
द्रौपदीने कभी अंधो का पुत्र अंधा कहा ही नहीं। जब दुर्योधन पानीमें गिरे तब द्रौपदी वहाँ थीं भी नहीं।
🙏Arjuna my inspiration 🙏
Ami ii ❤❤❤
Namaste Ami ji
Thanks for revealing many things we didn't know, n silently thinking what we seen in series is true. Many questions, no answer was found earlier.
My question is that all Pandavas were children born of different gods as Kunthi devi's chanting Mantra.
If so, then KarNa is also the son of Lord SUN. Hence, God's own child took this wrong behaviour character... other five Pandavas' thinking & thirst to know the right ones n learn to live with Dharma. But KarNa is the opposite, being God's son. Please clear this doubt.🙏
According to this understanding of Dharma, was Harishchandra adharmi?
For history pls call surya roy sir and praveen mohan they are amazing and talk about dharmic revival.
Besides the veducation founder can also be great guest at your amazing podcast who is working to re establish gurukul school.Also Sahana singh who is based in usa to talk about ancient indian education.Venkatesh rangan sir is a great historian too who has published three books and worked upon ancient indian conquests and our great civilization.Raghava krishna ,the founder of brhat is doing great work.Also rajeev malhotra of USA who wrote the book Snakes of Ganga
Also ,Capt praveen chaturvedi who made sahib movie is great person who advocates for our santana cause and tells how it has been systematically destroyed.Shaleen wadhwani is a great art educator,curator and talks greatly on how British looted of our riches and how it can be repatriated Also vedveer arya who talks about correct chronology of Indian history.Abhijit jog who is an author also challenges the leftists ideology snd fake history still taught in india.Jay vardhan singh a phd scholar from jnu is also a great history buff
I paused it at Sutputra level without any intention only because my mom called me outside for eating Mango at outside the room.There was no intention from my side to highlight caste system trust me , Mother's swear ,becaz first of all I didn't know meaning of Sutputra itself 😢
First love fellow human beings
All humans? Can you love Aurangzeb, Hitler, Mao, or Polpot?
😃 Hi , I have a question. Dharma means to sustainability. And we heard about twin-cycle of performance : work & rest. But in case of Arjuna, Lot of emphasis on "his restless practice" practicing day & night without sleep. Is it sustainable? As a Human I can't do that. Do we have some Knowledge about arjuna's rest phase?
I'm assuming, since he is not competing with anyone, he has no stress about "what the competitor is doing". So, till the point he loves to work, we work. When he not feel well he take rest.
Yes. But then, if someone feels like working more than you and maybe he gets more reward for that. Now u become jealous and say , Samaj and ye sab that’s the problem. And it’s absolutely fine to listen to urself, but then don’t get jealous and blame others. ❤❤❤ take care.
Dharma doesn't mean sustainability. Dharma means that which upholds the proper order of everything (called Rtam). Generally, it is distilled for human consumption as it is too vast in its original definition. And even after distillation, it is very hard to grasp the full concept.
Well, a lot of things that people did in Ramayana and Mahabharata cannot be done by modern humans. Arjuna had a very focused mind more than any of his brothers. "Restless practice" doesn't mean 24/7/365. It's just that he never slacked off when it comes to practice and to learn archery in the dark, he sacrificed a few more hours of sleep than usual. And since he was innately talented and hard working, he managed to master night archery pretty quickly. So after mastering that, there won't be much need for him to keep practicing it as regularly as he did when he was just learning. Regarding competition, I would say that he did view Karna worthy enough to be his rival and some part of motivation to keep practicing or gaining divyastras by doing penances was to prepare for the war and especially against Karna since he had taken an oath in Hastinapur court to kill him. And killing Karna was no mean task even for Arjuna despite being the superior warrior. And above all else, he just plain wanted to push the limits of what he can do with bow and arrows.
@@Observer41099 didn't feel that if I know I give my best, there is peace within, no matter what other says. I feel jealousy only when I am worrying & not taking action. I time I start action there is a sense of control .
Thank you everyone @Observer41099 @JusticeAboveAll-ro3sm @amazingcalvin for this wonderful chat :)
Thank you everyone for this wonderful chat
16:25 Yudhishthir ji ne pehle Karn ko adhmara kiya par praan daan diye Arjun ki pratigya ko yaad karke tab Karn behosh ho chuka tha adhmara hoke Yudhishthir ke vaar se lekin Yudhishthir last prahaar nahi kiye aur lautne lage tab Karn peeche se aake Yudhishthir ji ke dhwaj kavach ko kaatte hai jo Yudhishthir ji ka apman hai ishi vajah se Yudhishthir ji gussa hote hai Arjun par ki agar Arjun ka pratigya na hota to ve khud Karn ko maar dete aur Karn ko aise apman karne ka mauka hi nahi milta
56:25 Brahmastra Yudhishthir ji ke paas bhi hota hai bhai jiska prayog ve Guru Dron pe karte hai, sabhi Pandavo ke aur unke pancho beto ke plus Drishtdyumn Shikhandi ke paas bhi Divyastra hote hai, Pancho Pandav ke divyastra ek ek devta ne diye the Uppandavo ke bhi devtao se miley ye Mahabharat me likha hai clearly aur MahaDhanurdhaari sabhi Pandav aur Uppandav the.. Arjun 100% the kyonki unke paas Brahmshira tha par 5 Uppandav Drishtdyumn Shikhandi aur baki 4 Pandav bhi 99% best the dhanur vidya me.
Geeta ka gyan Arjun ko keval mila kyonki keval ve vichlit hue baaki nahi..
Yudhishthir ji Vann Parv me keh chukey ki Draupadi pancho patiyo pe ek jaisa samarpit hai aur Draupadi khud kahi hai ki Pancho Pandav unhe apne 5 senses jitne pyare hai equally.. Swargarohan Parv chapter jahan Yudhishthir ji kehte hai Arjun se zyada pyar karti hai vo poora chapter hi baad me add kiya gaya hai kyonki Spitzer manuscripts ke 1st century Mahabharat manuscript me Swargarohan Parv nahi mila arthat Ramayan ke Uttar Kaand jaise Swargarohan milawat hai Yudhishthir ji aisa kuch nahi kahe ki kisse zyada pyar Draupadi ko balki pehle hi keh chuke Draupadi equal pyar ki pancho se, Pandavo ke Vaanprast aashram dharan karna hi last hai Mahabharat ka.
Hindu means first Dharma, second Earth (economy) third Kama (family) , Moksha. But today Dharma is almost absent and Eartha(money) took priority
19:57 Kaushik Rishi wali ye story itihas nahi balki Krishna ji ki banai hui kahani hai bas Arjun ji ko samjhaane keliye
The probability of story of Kaushik rishi to be real might be quite higher than you would expect. Kaushik was always confused about the nature of dharma as to what it is and how it should be followed. So it is very much probable that this really happened. The main hint for this another story in the mahabharat.
Kaushik rishi was just starting to gain some new powers due to his tapasya, meaning he was relatively new to the ways of being a rishi. When he was meditating, a bird pooped on him from a tree above him. In anger, he glared at the bird and his newfound powers incinerated the bird and killed it. Think of it like superman's eye laser. Although he was initially angry, Kaushik was also surprised that he gained such a power and regretted having caused the death of an innocent bird. Later, he went around many houses and asked them for alms (which in those days were mainly food and not money). In one particular brahmin house, he stood outside and asked for alms. There was a housewife who was busy from her housework and did not hear him. Later, she heard Kaushik rishi and prepared to give him some food but her husband just happened to return hungry as well. So the housewife prioritized serving her husband and after she was done, she came outside with her offerings of food and profusely apologized for the delay.
But Kaushik rishi was fuming. He chastised her for making a hungry brahmin wait and neglecting dharma and glared at her again just as he did with the bird and his eye laser activated although again, he did not intend to. The woman, however was not affected by his new power. Instead she even rebuked the rishi for being angry which is the most destructive enemy of any spiritual progress and declared that she isn't as easy to kill as the bird was. Kaushik was surprised at how this housewife managed to know about the incident with the bird and enquired further. She said that the reason Kaushik's powers didn't work on her was because she was following the path of dharma as a housewife, which is why she is safe from harm. Seeing that the rishi is visibly confused about the subtle applications of dharma, she advises Kaushik to go and see a certain person in another village where his doubts regarding dharma can be alleviated.
Going in search of this new person that this housewife recommended, Kaushik is shocked to learn that this person was not only a shudra but also by profession, a butcher. The butcher treated the rishi with respect and to Kaushik's surprise, already knew that the brahmin housewife sent him here. So rishi Kaushik swallowed his pride, distaste for the butcher's stench and profession and followed him to his house. There after a few days of stay, Kaushik learnt to apply dharma a bit better than before.
I have one question, is purana our history or mythology ?
Puranas are a collection of historical incidents told in story form. This is why they are under the umbrella term of "itihasa", which literally means "thus it happened", which indicates actual history.
@@amazingcalvin ok understood , so devas and asuras are supernatural humans like us .
@@anweshabiswas4813 Yes you can think of it that way. And if we do the tapasya sincerely long enough with patience, we can also become as powerful as devas or asuras. That's what many rishis have done.
@@amazingcalvin Yes. Sadly, everyone today has been too much sunken in the moh maaya world that we all have become impotent of attaining the said superior state through determination, focus and meditative stuff. That lack of perseverance is just seen in everyone's day to day behaviour. Maybe some ingrown unhidden seeds might still have that passion and perseverance quality, but it's just not that common anymore especially given the fact that people don't even realise that there are such greater things than just being stuck in the vicious circle of typical moh maaya life with career, engg, family, etc.,
Maha bharatha itself a myth !
Little consideration to language please 🙏 Ami ji ❤
jab bhi dekho inne Karna ki burai karte hue deka Hai....jaise ki baaki saare characters doodh ke dhule te
Filmmakers go to jail lies and misleading Bharat
One of the major fact she hides is duryodhana never got narayani sena he just got kritverma. Meanwhile Pandavas got satyaki who was comparatively better. This was the biggest trap duryodhana fell on
Duryodhana got Narayani Sena and Arjuna got an unarmed Krishna. Duryodhana was even delighted and thought that Arjuna was a fool to have rejected one akshauhini of yadava warriors who were known at the time to be one of the best in the entire kurukshetra war in exchanged for an unarmed Krishna that too as a charioteer. Also, Satyaki was one of the greatest heroes of the war not just by talent. He was Arjuna's favorite pupil. That's why he was so powerful. So obviously Satyaki chose the side of Krishna and Arjuna who were dear to him. Kritavarma isn't as weak as you make him out to be. It takes a lot of skill, tenacity and strength to survive a war as brutal as the Kurukshetra war where even better men than both Satyaki as well as Kritavarma, like Abhimanyu, Karna, Bhurisravas, Bhishma, Drona, Shalya, Jayadratha had fallen.
@@amazingcalvin if narayani sena was with duryodhana then where is pradyumn and samba other sons of krishna why didn't they fought with duryodhana.
@@prasannajitswain8400 Because they chose not to. Just like Satyaki chose not to side with Kauravas. Just like Yuyutsu defected from the Kauravas. The sons of Krishna did not want to oppose their own father. In fact, this is the exact reason even Balarama cited to not participate in the war because Krishna has was on the side of Dharma and he did not want to show partiality towards either Kauravas or Pandavas. If Balarama wanted, entire Kurukshetra war would be over in a minute.
@@amazingcalvin that's what I am saying they should not have their own opinion as per the bet entire narayani sena should have sided with duryodhana but it never happened.
@@prasannajitswain8400 Why they should not have their own opinion? 1 akshauhini soldiers participated in the war on the Kauravas side. That is almost the entire yadava clan, although not 100%. Duryodhana got what he wanted and he was satisfied. Arjuna got what he want and he was satisfied. If you are saying having Satyaki on Kauravas side was enough to grant them victory, then you are sorely mistaken. Satyaki was almost killed by Bhurisravas and Arjuna had to cut off his arm with an arrow to stop him.
With all that cultural exposure, presentation is non-engaging unfortunately
rubbish
🤣🤣🤣
she does not know real mahabharata
I have red her book she have red complete mahabharata end to end
I recommend to read her book
I don’t agree with you. Everything she said was correct.
Konsa point fake laga bhai tuze…..aur tera source kya hai..?
Puranas are documentaries of different incidents of different time lines, different incidents of different realms or different Universe, I know this sounds really crazy, but preserve my this comment, after 5-10 years you will realise that I'm saying is True, and you will realise that you are late for the conversation
Khul kar bolo jo bolna ho.
Could be, I think that could be more of a metaphorical retelling of natural events, or astronomical events, like Shani entering some constellations etc.
@@crewrangergaming9582 yeah, the tales of Celestial body and astronomical things was used to be told as story, but as science student I know everything are part of energy, living or non-living, and all are connected to the Universe, you, me everything and those things effect in our life and what if We mean our ancestors could effect on the celestial bodies, just like Ravan did, Mahishasur did, they effected Brahma, Brahma is the embodiment of the Universe, isn't it? So what if there some hidden knowledge or lost knowledge that is missing from us, or we are assuming which are as metaphor what if those are not completely metaphorical
@@ADARSHKUMAR-xm8ro aap Puranas se koi bhi topic uthao, agar apko lagta hai ki nahi yar yeh kaise ho sakta hai, kisi bhi baare mein jaise Technology, Science, Engineering, Medical knowledge agar apko lagta hai ki yeh sab unn zamane hoti hi nahi thi, koi bhi doubt ho toh puch sakte ho... Kisi bhi baare mein Universe, Geopolitics, Dharma.. agar kisi bhi baare mein doubt ho
@@thesentry1434 to tum sarvgyaani ho?
For history pls call surya roy sir and praveen mohan they are amazing and talk about dharmic revival.
Besides the veducation founder can also be great guest at your amazing podcast who is working to re establish gurukul school.Also Sahana singh who is based in usa to talk about ancient indian education.Venkatesh rangan sir is a great historian too who has published three books and worked upon ancient indian conquests and our great civilization.Raghava krishna ,the founder of brhat is doing great work.Also rajeev malhotra of USA who wrote the book Snakes of Ganga
Also ,Capt praveen chaturvedi who made sahib movie is great person who advocates for our santana cause and tells how it has been systematically destroyed.Shaleen wadhwani is a great art educator,curator and talks greatly on how British looted of our riches and how it can be repatriated Also vedveer arya who talks about correct chronology of Indian history.Abhijit jog who is an author also challenges the leftists ideology snd fake history still taught in india.Jay vardhan singh a phd scholar from jnu is also a great history buff