Oh yeah. Shows that in a way, Turning everyone into Cybermen was always what Lumic wanted for Mankind. He would've eventually allowed himself to become one had Mr Krain's betrayal not damage his life support & accelerated the timetable for said conversion.
Can we talk more about his angry screams, its like listening a pissed off monster. Its amazing. It takes a basic human sound and really makes it inhuman
The Desk No, they said that the mondasian inhibitor only stops you from caring about pain, it doesn’t make you stop feeling it altogether. So she can still cry, she just doesn’t care.
@@leilaf1123 indeed... Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the Sith so powerful that he could force the midichlorians to create well directed Doctor Who episodes...
@@reeda.2341 I'm pretty sure a cyber men wouldn't survive a fall like that. They are metal but also still have a brain and flesh inside so even if the metal skeleton survived the brain wouldn't cause of the impact plus being electronic they most likely combust when hit the ground so hard. Anyways cyber controller needed those things plugged into him from his chair to stay alive so he was dying when he left his chair. Also not to mention he fell straight into a firey explosion as well.
@@Chris-kz8tu Except that makes no sense whatsoever, and was just done for dramatic effect. His body, not his mind was dying, and his brain was transplanted into a new body. One that doesn't have difficulty breathing and such.
The music in this is on another level. The moment Pete starts scrambling up as he realizes the Cyber Controller is just beneath him gives me chills EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
*Spoilers* The thing that I love about this episode is the character development of Mickey. From idiot to hero etc, and it doesn't end here. In future episodes he's a hero in his own right, more and more as we see him until he finally leaves the show. Unlike Danny Pink. We barely get our heads wrapped around him when he randomly dies, then sacrifices himself. But by then he was so poorly developed that I didn't care. I didn't care that he died, I didn't care that Clara loved him, and I didn't care when he was a Cyberman.
If you can call them Cybermen anyway at this point. These new ones are overpowered robots. Neil Gaiman had one job and did it as badly as humanly possible.
I hated literally any Danny centered episode. Listen cool concept made shit because of Danny. Caretaker worst Doctor Who episode of all time because of Danny. In the Forest of the Night 0/10 too much Danny and child actors. Dark Water Great episode because they killed Danny.
Imagine if a cyberman called out the name of someone he or she loved when realising what had happened and the person who had become a cyberman heard and they start cyring
Or better yet, what if instead of exploding, they become determined to reverse the process. Then, when they meet the doctor, and get told it's impossible, it attacks them. But nonetheless, it enlists the doctor's help. Could prove to be a very interesting story.
George Lucas should come out of retirement to become the next producer of the Doctor Who Series because like his best friend Steven Spielberg, he is a major Doctor Who fan.
Say what you will about Doctor Who, but 0:11: Realizing that you aren’t yourself and you have lost control of your own body. The pure realization that you could never go back, what you’ve become, sends you into a status of pure, unadulterated suffering and sorrow. Your humanity stolen, your body taken, and your very *soul* being suppressed just to have a perverted taste of the concept of immortality. It is horrifying, sorrowful, and powerful. A personal fear of mine is just losing control, and that’s exactly what these Cybermen have had happen to them: their very minds enslaved to algorithms and metal.
Perhaps he doesn't have an emotional inhibitor as he's always desired to be upgraded. The others died because they were horrified by what they had become
0:11 This is what separates this Cyberman story from all the others in NuWho. Actual appreciation for the person inside the suit. A terrible, irreversible hell. A true living nightmare.
Yeah just knowing these were poor people who were forced to get no emotions and be like that. At least they were put out of there misery as something they never wanted to be.
@@SeanEnglishHD George Lucas should come out of retirement to become the next producer of the Doctor Who Series because like his best friend Steven Spielberg, he is a major Doctor Who fan.
Always thought Lumic would return - I know he falls into the burning but he’s metal, steel, somehow he could have survived with the right story - If Russell T Davies wrote a story with the cyber men further into the next couple of series it could have worked quite well. Lumic could have been plotting? Not sure if it would disrupt the timeline of the other doctor who’s but it sure would have been good to bring back this concept of Cyber Men as it’s the most powerful - a mad human creating very human creatures
+Chiara Benedetta Condorelli it was a joke. In Britain, apps that are 99 cents in the USA are 69 pence and so I was saying the doctor wasn't prepared to pay 69p for a wood app. I think in the day of the doctor he says he didn't get the update/app for wood. That's all I'm saying
I found this episode to be a widely ambitious reimagining of what made the Cybermen so popular to begin with. I personally found these Cybermen very scary and powerful, and are my personal favourites, way more so than the very robotic ones in Nightmare in Silver. I didn't mind the stomping as that reflected just how powerful these ones were. The only gripes I had with this episode was that the alternative universe aspect seemed unnecessary and Roger Lloyd-Pack's performance was way over the top.
That would actually be a great idea for a story. Sure Roger Lloyd-Pack died recently, but since Cybermen mostly have synthesized voices, they can work around that. Pity that Moffat is working tirelessly to make it seem like the Russell T. Davies era never existed.
Actually, it wouldn't make much sense. Even if the Controller had somehow survived that fall, he would have to somehow survive the massive anti-Cyberman operations that took place on Pete's World, the invasion of our Universe and the battle with the Daleks, being sucked into the void, and being spat out at a random point in time and space. And after the Cybus Cybermen united with the original Mondasian ones, leading to the Cyberiad Cybermen we have now, the Controller would have to survive the (2nd?) Cyber-War, which resulted in the Cybermen being all but extinct. And seeing as we haven't seen him in any episodes since Age of Steel, it's a safe bet that he's dead.
Bryn Watkins Well concerning the aspects of sci-fi in this show, one could assume a man as intelligent as Lumic could've had some sort of back-up plan. Maybe his mind's been digitized and it's currently inactive midst the scores of data in the Cybermen's network. Like maybe this sort of tech was still in the development stages and he didn't have time to work on both that AND the Ultimate Upgrade plan. The thought of Cybermen being from Earth (parallel or not) just rings better with me as it serves better as a warning on what might happen concerning our increased dependence on sophisticated technology (something we didn't have during the Classic series, and no, no insult intended). Reverting back to the twin planet that just happened to evolve such a similar species just doesn't have the same ramifications of humanity working towards it own doom since it's basically just another alien species come to assimilate us.
NeoDragonCount Chances are, he would have joined the other cybermen when they went through the Void in the finale. And then he would have been sucked back into the void.
***** Man, you'd prolly have liked this tumblr project of mine where I wanted to make an alternate continuity to Doctor Who driven entirely by fan-made stories. I'd three sagas planned for it until people started bitching at me for not being a Moffat-ite (my term for people who are obsessed with Moffat's writing).
01:37 When you are sleeping really well but your mom tell you that if you don't wake up in 5 minutes she gives to your brother the macarroni you was saving
Notice how freakin amazing the production design was in these old episodes! Then compare to the newer ones. I think the budget's been severely slashed in recent years.
They're never gonna do it but I'd love to see a rated R episode about the cybermen and the Warhammer mechanicus style body horror that conversion requires
He did something like that in the beginning of this episode when he used a sound-based attack against the Cybermen. It seemed to be pretty much the same idea to me.
You see the Cybermen were trying to use their mojo against the Doctor so he started to use his mojo and that caused cross-mojonation and their heads started exploding!
Zylorarchy Yeah, although I know why they chose to do all single part stories in Series 7 Nightmare in Silver would have worked much better as a two-parter. Just look at Dark Water for how the Cybermen should be done in my book
I absolutely loved Nightmare in Silver. I don’t think it deserves the hate. In my opinion, Moffat handled the Cybermen much more faithfully to the classics than RTD did. Plus in my opinion the Moffat Cybermen are less annoying. Just my opinion, I respect yours as well. Just something I don’t understand, how was Matt Smith’s acting cringy? I mean it was a bit silly but I didn’t cringe. Maybe it’s just me.
World enough and time are the best that New Who Cybermen have ever been although this one makes a close second but the body horror in WEAT just makes it so much better. In the Classic's it was probably either Earthshock or Tomb of the Cybermen.
@@cameronjosephvideos5942 Honestly, from the RTD era my favourite Cybermen story was the Next Doctor, a special that IMO doesn't deserve the hate that it gets (which at the time I reckon came largely from the fake-out, given people's anticipation for the 11th Doctor reveal at the time). The Cybermen act like those of old in that they start off on the back foot lurking in the shadows with an evil scheme that is probably a little convoluted and they actually lie to and manipulate people! They remembered that the Cybermen aren't just mindless drones. Also, that moment with them emerging out of the mist in the graveyard to stun the factory owners was dope, I don't care what anyone says.
***** Uhuh. I used to like Blink until Moffat decided that Weeping Angels can make up powers for plot convenience in every new episode focusing on them. Moffat can't write female characters. Moffat disses gay characters. Moffat ignores the rules of the Doctor Who Universe regarding time travel. Moffat doesn't make characters actual characters but walking plot devices where their presence is more central than their personalities, traits and whatever makes a character an actual character. Heck, he can't even make a storyline fit a single season. In the end, series 5-7 were a jumbled MESS. Frankly, all the best episodes of those series are the ones not written by Moffat (except Nightmare in Silver but that was due to his interference). And series 8 is already off to a bad start with an awful, indecisive first episode and at best a passable second episode (got rid of the bloody color-coordinated Dalek design at least).
***** I've written an entire review on series 5 through 7 in great detail, so here's just the juicy bits: 1. The Doctor is the center of everything: The Doctor is treated like him and his identity in themselves are the Alpha and Omega with the Silence plot. He's not the renegade Time Lord traveling for his bizarre curiosity's sake. 2. Every SINGLE female companion is physically attracted to the Doctor and wants him as their boyfriend. Yea I know series 1-3 had that, but with Rose Tyler it developed gradually, like a real relationship. And with Martha Jones she simply grew out of a crush. Heck, Amy and Clara only seem to have any real meaning if they have a man. This is why Donna Noble was my favorite companion; she was along the ride as a simply traveling buddy. 3. River Song is the plot of Series 6 and Clara is the ultimate retcon regarding the entire series, Classic and Revived combined with the Great Intelligence sub-plot. They might as well be robots. 4. Moffat doesn't understand true grief; aside from a few flukes, most of the major deaths in his series are not deaths in the traditional sense; Weeping Angels generally don't kill you, they make you live your life in the past. River Song sacrificed herself, only to have her mind downloaded into a supercomputer where everything is at her beck and call. Clara Oswald dies twice, and then she's somehow alive again. 5. And this is the kicker. He destroyed the entire premise of the revived series as the Doctor being the sole survivor of his species, therefore once again robbing the series of true grief and pissing on tragedy when he brought back Gallifrey. Not only that, they successfully altered time when it was meant to be impossible. Heck, if Gallifrey does get freed from the pocket dimension, it'd rip the Universe to shreds. They even emphasized on the finality of time-locked events in The Waters of Mars on how some events can't be changed due to their significance. As for series 8 Episode 1 doesn't know what is wants to be about: A dinosaur in London? The Doctor's identity crisis? Clara's pining that the Doctor's now old looking? Or clockwork robots from an earlier episode I also disliked? Episode 2 implies Daleks could just be re-tuned to be good by affecting their tank's data-storage. Why has it taken THIS long for that to actually occur or to figure that out? And Clara wants a new sexy man in her life since she's a woman. Real cute.
NeoDragonCount For 4. Russel T did this too. Rose Tyler didn't die but was sent to a parallel Earth, but was treated like a death. Donna Noble sorta 'died' as her memory of her time with the Doctor was erased, but didn't truly die (even though in End of Time she remembered the Doctor but didn't die for some reason). For 5. Russel T destroyed the entire concept of the cybermen. It would have been fine if they were building up a return for the true Mondas cybermen, but no. Moffat fixed this however. (Also the series 8 finale !SPOILERS! was also rather depressing and full of grief, even if Osgood is 'seemingly' coming back). I think the The End of Time basically sums up everything wrong with the RTD era, with an overly emotional end to a Doctor that ended up being a stroppy child by the end. Yeah, all that build up of character development for the Doctor as a strong 'oncoming storm' (insert near end of The Family of Blood here too) ended with 'I don't want to go'! Sure there are problems with Moffats era (some of which you listed) but Russel T was just as bad (if not worse if you go into detail). Plus the most memorable episodes from RTD's run was from Moffat.
LesserWhovian Oh, like how he was boasting about getting it good with Madame de Pompadour to his companions who were about to be harvested? Also the Doctor was dying. We know he doesn't technically die since he'd just regenerate, but as he states in the previous episode; regenerating is pretty much like dying whilst someone else (another personality) takes over your body and your current mind is pretty much lost. Yea; shocking that he might be scared and have regrets. Oh I forgot; having emotions is apparently BAD.
I really wish we could've seen more of the Cyber Controller/john lumic in future episodes I really liked him imagine if he appeared in the next cybermen episode with the daleks and and led the attack on torchwood also imagine him and Dalek Sec in a 1 on 1 fight 2 leaders of 2 different enemies of the doctor fighting each other that would've been awesome it be even more awesome if he was the cyber king in the next doctor episode after all who better to be king of the cybermen then their creator
I think that's one of my few problems with this story. Imagine how much more affective it would have been if Mickey had stayed on what we knew was a doomed world. Then again, they would have had to bring back the ski-mask Cybermen, and I'm not sure if modern audiences would have taken them seriously.
The idea that what has been done to these people is so horrific that if they become aware of it the horror literally kills them is actually an awesome concept
The sound was just at such a frequency that it resonated with the rope and creating a form of barrier using a blast of sound against some form of attack isn't so farfetched either. It's only when he starts hacking computers with it that it gets silly.
I don't know why, but I really love how when Lumic screams 'no' the electronic effect fades out and you can hear his real voice.
Oh yeah. Shows that in a way, Turning everyone into Cybermen was always what Lumic wanted for Mankind. He would've eventually allowed himself to become one had Mr Krain's betrayal not damage his life support & accelerated the timetable for said conversion.
I have NEVER noticed that before! I must have seen this two-parter over a dozen times, and I'm still finding out new things!
it’s an awesome detail. the emotional inhibitor is broken but he already accepts who he is - so we hear his voice through the cybersuit
Can we talk more about his angry screams, its like listening a pissed off monster. Its amazing. It takes a basic human sound and really makes it inhuman
Just heard it.
You don't quite realize how badly you need to cry until you have no eyes.
Cyber men have tear ducts and they can cry out of them
@@streamaphex
That's kinda stupid.
@@copperhead577 And also not true. Just because Bill cried doesn't mean all cybermen can.
@@jamesr.2017
Also, Bill crying contradicts the entire concept of the emotion inhibitor. Since she feels no emotions, she can't feel sad.
The Desk No, they said that the mondasian inhibitor only stops you from caring about pain, it doesn’t make you stop feeling it altogether. So she can still cry, she just doesn’t care.
"where'd you learn to fly that thing?"
"Playstation"
I guess I missed out on that sweet ps2 exclusive "Blimp Simulator 2006"
"Power to the Playstaion."
"just like the simulations"
(wrong unvierse I know)
Dhehdhd
Eren Alan what is the meaning of this?
@@Castrated__ It's just random characters, nothing more. 🤗😉.
"Mickey, where'd you learn to fly that thing?"
"PlayStation."
Classic Mickey.
"just like the simulations"
@@leilaf1123 I can see that you are a women of culture... So did you ever heard about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the Wise?
@@luishenriquedelima4528 im not sure. i sense its not a story the jedi would tell me
@@leilaf1123 indeed... Darth Plagueis was a dark lord of the Sith so powerful that he could force the midichlorians to create well directed Doctor Who episodes...
@@luishenriquedelima4528 ahh yes that explains how master tennant is the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived
3:47 To me that was the Cyber Controller saying ''You meddling kids haven't seen the last of me!''
It's a shame they never brought him back...
Same, not really sure that fall or the fires could actually destroy these cybermen
Or any in general.
@@gonjafarma89 nah he died
@@reeda.2341 I'm pretty sure a cyber men wouldn't survive a fall like that. They are metal but also still have a brain and flesh inside so even if the metal skeleton survived the brain wouldn't cause of the impact plus being electronic they most likely combust when hit the ground so hard. Anyways cyber controller needed those things plugged into him from his chair to stay alive so he was dying when he left his chair. Also not to mention he fell straight into a firey explosion as well.
@@Chris-kz8tu Except that makes no sense whatsoever, and was just done for dramatic effect. His body, not his mind was dying, and his brain was transplanted into a new body. One that doesn't have difficulty breathing and such.
if you notice and pause at 0:35 you can see a cyberman chilling
Yep
Lol he's just like "Meh, just another Monday for me."
Hey, how you doin'?
Lolllllll
Omg I never noticed that before
The music in this is on another level. The moment Pete starts scrambling up as he realizes the Cyber Controller is just beneath him gives me chills EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
1:49 Roblox Death Sound.
Omg XD
Oh my God 😂
Moodeng Productions OOF
OMG this was made the same year roblox came out
THANK YOU
1:56 "Mickey where did you learn to fly that thing?"
"PlayStation"
XD
"just like the simulations"
*Spoilers*
The thing that I love about this episode is the character development of Mickey. From idiot to hero etc, and it doesn't end here. In future episodes he's a hero in his own right, more and more as we see him until he finally leaves the show.
Unlike Danny Pink. We barely get our heads wrapped around him when he randomly dies, then sacrifices himself. But by then he was so poorly developed that I didn't care. I didn't care that he died, I didn't care that Clara loved him, and I didn't care when he was a Cyberman.
If you can call them Cybermen anyway at this point. These new ones are overpowered robots. Neil Gaiman had one job and did it as badly as humanly possible.
He needs an upgrade... Get it?
Steven Moffat is a braindead hack writer.
I hated literally any Danny centered episode. Listen cool concept made shit because of Danny. Caretaker worst Doctor Who episode of all time because of Danny. In the Forest of the Night 0/10 too much Danny and child actors. Dark Water Great episode because they killed Danny.
@@cameronjosephvideos5942
Imagine if a cyberman called out the name of someone he or she loved when realising what had happened and the person who had become a cyberman heard and they start cyring
That would be so sad ;-;
they should have moments like that to make the cybermen more tragic and how they were once human.
DALEK CANN they did have the one cyberman that 10 did an autopsy on. It turned out to be a woman and she was “upgraded” the day before her wedding.
@@SciFiLOLproductions i know but on other episodes
Or better yet, what if instead of exploding, they become determined to reverse the process. Then, when they meet the doctor, and get told it's impossible, it attacks them. But nonetheless, it enlists the doctor's help. Could prove to be a very interesting story.
0:11 That has got to be one of the most pitiful things I have ever heard.
I see what you mean.
I saw this scene when I was little and it gave me nightmares
@@lukefritz6795 Oh what a pity! It really must be frightening for you when I empathize with you. How about now? How is it going with you?
What the fuck is wrong with you, you know what fuck you I'm reporting you.
@@foxydev4056
Are you replying to the wrong comment? Don’t see what was so bad about it...
0:36 The Cyberman next to the chair is like "Hey there, sexy inferior human species. You wanna go out for dinner. Then after, wanna be upgraded ;)"
Just saw that!
I think that was the point
Netflix and Assimilate
Human: how about no
Eww XD
1:37 Best impression of Darth Vader arising and saying Nooo!
+slangman89 You're joking right. This was much better than Vader!"
Doctor, I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!
Albert Nave 'what does that make us?
Absolutely nothing!'
It would seem...in your anger, you killed her.
George Lucas should come out of retirement to become the next producer of the Doctor Who Series because like his best friend Steven Spielberg, he is a major Doctor Who fan.
Say what you will about Doctor Who, but 0:11: Realizing that you aren’t yourself and you have lost control of your own body. The pure realization that you could never go back, what you’ve become, sends you into a status of pure, unadulterated suffering and sorrow. Your humanity stolen, your body taken, and your very *soul* being suppressed just to have a perverted taste of the concept of immortality.
It is horrifying, sorrowful, and powerful. A personal fear of mine is just losing control, and that’s exactly what these Cybermen have had happen to them: their very minds enslaved to algorithms and metal.
I love how Mickey says to Rose 'Im coming to get you,' just like Nine did. He really did come into his own in the end, love him!
3:17 “hold the button down” Some of his Scottish bled through a little on that line there!
If Pete had dropped that sonic screwdriver it would have be a whole lot funnier.
Surely when the cyber controller is shouting no that's showing emotions
Perhaps he doesn't have an emotional inhibitor as he's always desired to be upgraded. The others died because they were horrified by what they had become
He can feel hatred.
Didn't they all feel emotions once they inserted the code? I mean you can see all the others very clearly doing that.
plus he created the idea so he knows what the upgrade proses entails.
Well he was upgraded with a superior unit from a standard Cyberman so he was basically Lumic in a new steel body
1:50, is that where Roblox got their death sound
I truly miss these days. Doctor who just doesn’t hit the same as this anymore :(
Innit it's shit now
Well Tennant is back!!!
0:11
This is what separates this Cyberman story from all the others in NuWho.
Actual appreciation for the person inside the suit. A terrible, irreversible hell. A true living nightmare.
Does 1:37 remind anyone of Darth Vader's Nooooooo
Haha a bit now I think about it
Yeah. Weirdly, I feel the emotion of the moment is better here, but the emotion of the voice was better in Revenge of the Sith.
0:13 Heartbreaking stuff...
The first time I've ever felt sorry for a Cyberman.
Yeah just knowing these were poor people who were forced to get no emotions and be like that. At least they were put out of there misery as something they never wanted to be.
Emotionless, logical, but little humanity. ):
i know right :'(
Jamie Bell I know,I don't really want to be converted.
Am I the only one who feels sorry for the cybermen in this scene? Poor cybermen........
+Terminator Playz that was the whole point of this scene... so no, you are not the only one
I dont feel sorry for cybermen because at that small moment, they weren't Cybermen. They were people again.
I feel bad for the people, that would be so hard to cope with. This scene and the scene with Sally kill me every time
Of course not! They had all their humanity stripped away from them and now they see what’s become of them, it’s heartbreaking
@@mitchsorenstein2242 Fair Point.
0:11 - heartbreaking.
It sounds like their crying 😭
İt crying and horrible that thinking I become it
1:47 be honest with me. does that remind anyone of Vader in revenge of the Sith?
yeah, the last note sounds exactly like Vader's infamous "Noooo!" :D
Llama King Star Wars was made 15 years later.
daniel taylor one year before it
@@SeanEnglishHD George Lucas should come out of retirement to become the next producer of the Doctor Who Series because like his best friend Steven Spielberg, he is a major Doctor Who fan.
1:36 gives me chills every time!
Same, tennat age cybermen were the thing of nightmares for me, always thought I'd end up hearing their footsteps in my house at night or something
Matt Clay that "NOOOOOO!!!" freaked me out the most!
+Will Johnson yeah same, but just hearing the footsteps as they slowly chace the victims is terrifying
Matt Clay it's...... how is it scary?
Always thought Lumic would return - I know he falls into the burning but he’s metal, steel, somehow he could have survived with the right story - If Russell T Davies wrote a story with the cyber men further into the next couple of series it could have worked quite well. Lumic could have been plotting? Not sure if it would disrupt the timeline of the other doctor who’s but it sure would have been good to bring back this concept of Cyber Men as it’s the most powerful - a mad human creating very human creatures
This is probably the best of the (revived series) Cyberman episodes. They've really been overused in recent years.
It doesn't do wood, but it does rope?
The wood app is 69p
+Chiara Benedetta Condorelli it was a joke. In Britain, apps that are 99 cents in the USA are 69 pence and so I was saying the doctor wasn't prepared to pay 69p for a wood app. I think in the day of the doctor he says he didn't get the update/app for wood. That's all I'm saying
+Chiara Benedetta Condorelli apology accepted and slightly unnecessary as I didn't explain myself that clearly anyway
it's like a oven at subway. does alot of sandwichs but no "just bacon" setting
It does plot.
and my parents say im wasting my life on playstation, you never know when you will need to put those skills into action!
Quite honestly these things used to scare me to death. The idea of a human turning into a metal robot just really freaked me out.
3:43 is well probably the slowest and most dramactic (non back to normal) cyberman death ever
3:49 That _ssh-WESH_ will always be my favourite fire sound effect in anything ever.
I wish this variation of 'The Cybermen' was on the soundtrack. In my opinion it's much more dramatic here than on the CD.
I found this episode to be a widely ambitious reimagining of what made the Cybermen so popular to begin with. I personally found these Cybermen very scary and powerful, and are my personal favourites, way more so than the very robotic ones in Nightmare in Silver. I didn't mind the stomping as that reflected just how powerful these ones were. The only gripes I had with this episode was that the alternative universe aspect seemed unnecessary and Roger Lloyd-Pack's performance was way over the top.
Back when the Cybermen were still scary.
1:50
Rose created the ROBLOX death sound.
Lol
Sonic screwdriver. Doesn't do wood...does do rope though.
I don't think ropes have wood
jacob burt some do and some dont
Hello people from the past
@@timelordastrodo6408 wee whoo
Still the greatest Cyberman story (along with Army of Ghosts)!
Nothing prove that the cyber controller died, therefore he could be seen in series 8 with Peter Capaldi as the doctor
That would actually be a great idea for a story. Sure Roger Lloyd-Pack died recently, but since Cybermen mostly have synthesized voices, they can work around that.
Pity that Moffat is working tirelessly to make it seem like the Russell T. Davies era never existed.
Actually, it wouldn't make much sense. Even if the Controller had somehow survived that fall, he would have to somehow survive the massive anti-Cyberman operations that took place on Pete's World, the invasion of our Universe and the battle with the Daleks, being sucked into the void, and being spat out at a random point in time and space. And after the Cybus Cybermen united with the original Mondasian ones, leading to the Cyberiad Cybermen we have now, the Controller would have to survive the (2nd?) Cyber-War, which resulted in the Cybermen being all but extinct. And seeing as we haven't seen him in any episodes since Age of Steel, it's a safe bet that he's dead.
Bryn Watkins Well concerning the aspects of sci-fi in this show, one could assume a man as intelligent as Lumic could've had some sort of back-up plan. Maybe his mind's been digitized and it's currently inactive midst the scores of data in the Cybermen's network. Like maybe this sort of tech was still in the development stages and he didn't have time to work on both that AND the Ultimate Upgrade plan.
The thought of Cybermen being from Earth (parallel or not) just rings better with me as it serves better as a warning on what might happen concerning our increased dependence on sophisticated technology (something we didn't have during the Classic series, and no, no insult intended). Reverting back to the twin planet that just happened to evolve such a similar species just doesn't have the same ramifications of humanity working towards it own doom since it's basically just another alien species come to assimilate us.
NeoDragonCount Chances are, he would have joined the other cybermen when they went through the Void in the finale. And then he would have been sucked back into the void.
***** Man, you'd prolly have liked this tumblr project of mine where I wanted to make an alternate continuity to Doctor Who driven entirely by fan-made stories. I'd three sagas planned for it until people started bitching at me for not being a Moffat-ite (my term for people who are obsessed with Moffat's writing).
01:37 When you are sleeping really well but your mom tell you that if you don't wake up in 5 minutes she gives to your brother the macarroni you was saving
1:51 rose is roblox death sound
This and Nightmare In Silver are the best cybermen episodes of all time
Nightmare In Silver 💀💀💀
3:43 So long, Cybers!
1:38 My reaction to Amy Pond's "death"
You can hear the devastated moans of the Cyberman who looks at themselves in the reflection , you can hear the cries and disbelief...its so sad..
2:57 Sorry John Lumic/Cyber Controller. You're not coming with us!
How do you learnt to drive that thing ? -> Playstation . ;)
Finally someone recognized it
1:37 Oh now John Lumic/Cyber Controller is really super pissed off that the Doctor destroyed his army!
Notice how freakin amazing the production design was in these old episodes! Then compare to the newer ones. I think the budget's been severely slashed in recent years.
That's because the government keep slashing the BBC's budget. Although I must say the CGI for Whittaker's run has been very impressive!
Can I just say I love CyberLumic's voice.
I was 5 when this episode was being brodcast jeez
I was three
They're never gonna do it but I'd love to see a rated R episode about the cybermen and the Warhammer mechanicus style body horror that conversion requires
Doesn't work on wood but does work on rope.
me: Can I go to the bathroom?
Teacher: why didnt you go during lunch?
The bathroom during lunch: 0:45
The bit were rose asks Mick
"Were did you lern how to fliy that thing"
I thrt that he sed grand theft auto
He said play station xD which he could've learned from GTA while playing on the play station.
Your grammar sucks
*3:53** "Did you see the cybermans face In the fire? "*
He did something like that in the beginning of this episode when he used a sound-based attack against the Cybermen. It seemed to be pretty much the same idea to me.
You see the Cybermen were trying to use their mojo against the Doctor so he started to use his mojo and that caused cross-mojonation and their heads started exploding!
3:50 just imagine suddenly seeing pieces of fried brain flying back up
Kinda liked Nightmare in Silver, but compared to this... it is nothing lol.
IKR they should have had like a controller which has a forcefield like the daleks.
Zylorarchy Yeah, although I know why they chose to do all single part stories in Series 7 Nightmare in Silver would have worked much better as a two-parter. Just look at Dark Water for how the Cybermen should be done in my book
I absolutely loved Nightmare in Silver. I don’t think it deserves the hate. In my opinion, Moffat handled the Cybermen much more faithfully to the classics than RTD did. Plus in my opinion the Moffat Cybermen are less annoying.
Just my opinion, I respect yours as well.
Just something I don’t understand, how was Matt Smith’s acting cringy? I mean it was a bit silly but I didn’t cringe. Maybe it’s just me.
World enough and time are the best that New Who Cybermen have ever been although this one makes a close second but the body horror in WEAT just makes it so much better. In the Classic's it was probably either Earthshock or Tomb of the Cybermen.
@@cameronjosephvideos5942 Honestly, from the RTD era my favourite Cybermen story was the Next Doctor, a special that IMO doesn't deserve the hate that it gets (which at the time I reckon came largely from the fake-out, given people's anticipation for the 11th Doctor reveal at the time).
The Cybermen act like those of old in that they start off on the back foot lurking in the shadows with an evil scheme that is probably a little convoluted and they actually lie to and manipulate people! They remembered that the Cybermen aren't just mindless drones. Also, that moment with them emerging out of the mist in the graveyard to stun the factory owners was dope, I don't care what anyone says.
It just had to end with explosions, hadn't it.
Lumic always scared me when I was young, he still does.
*" Id call you a Genius except am in the room "*
Anyone remember the episodes just as good as this one from Moffat's era? Neither do I. Burned.
***** Uhuh. I used to like Blink until Moffat decided that Weeping Angels can make up powers for plot convenience in every new episode focusing on them.
Moffat can't write female characters. Moffat disses gay characters. Moffat ignores the rules of the Doctor Who Universe regarding time travel. Moffat doesn't make characters actual characters but walking plot devices where their presence is more central than their personalities, traits and whatever makes a character an actual character. Heck, he can't even make a storyline fit a single season. In the end, series 5-7 were a jumbled MESS. Frankly, all the best episodes of those series are the ones not written by Moffat (except Nightmare in Silver but that was due to his interference).
And series 8 is already off to a bad start with an awful, indecisive first episode and at best a passable second episode (got rid of the bloody color-coordinated Dalek design at least).
***** I've written an entire review on series 5 through 7 in great detail, so here's just the juicy bits:
1. The Doctor is the center of everything: The Doctor is treated like him and his identity in themselves are the Alpha and Omega with the Silence plot. He's not the renegade Time Lord traveling for his bizarre curiosity's sake.
2. Every SINGLE female companion is physically attracted to the Doctor and wants him as their boyfriend. Yea I know series 1-3 had that, but with Rose Tyler it developed gradually, like a real relationship. And with Martha Jones she simply grew out of a crush.
Heck, Amy and Clara only seem to have any real meaning if they have a man. This is why Donna Noble was my favorite companion; she was along the ride as a simply traveling buddy.
3. River Song is the plot of Series 6 and Clara is the ultimate retcon regarding the entire series, Classic and Revived combined with the Great Intelligence sub-plot. They might as well be robots.
4. Moffat doesn't understand true grief; aside from a few flukes, most of the major deaths in his series are not deaths in the traditional sense; Weeping Angels generally don't kill you, they make you live your life in the past. River Song sacrificed herself, only to have her mind downloaded into a supercomputer where everything is at her beck and call. Clara Oswald dies twice, and then she's somehow alive again.
5. And this is the kicker. He destroyed the entire premise of the revived series as the Doctor being the sole survivor of his species, therefore once again robbing the series of true grief and pissing on tragedy when he brought back Gallifrey. Not only that, they successfully altered time when it was meant to be impossible. Heck, if Gallifrey does get freed from the pocket dimension, it'd rip the Universe to shreds. They even emphasized on the finality of time-locked events in The Waters of Mars on how some events can't be changed due to their significance.
As for series 8
Episode 1 doesn't know what is wants to be about: A dinosaur in London? The Doctor's identity crisis? Clara's pining that the Doctor's now old looking? Or clockwork robots from an earlier episode I also disliked?
Episode 2 implies Daleks could just be re-tuned to be good by affecting their tank's data-storage. Why has it taken THIS long for that to actually occur or to figure that out? And Clara wants a new sexy man in her life since she's a woman. Real cute.
This story was average at absolute best.....
NeoDragonCount For 4. Russel T did this too. Rose Tyler didn't die but was sent to a parallel Earth, but was treated like a death. Donna Noble sorta 'died' as her memory of her time with the Doctor was erased, but didn't truly die (even though in End of Time she remembered the Doctor but didn't die for some reason). For 5. Russel T destroyed the entire concept of the cybermen. It would have been fine if they were building up a return for the true Mondas cybermen, but no. Moffat fixed this however. (Also the series 8 finale !SPOILERS! was also rather depressing and full of grief, even if Osgood is 'seemingly' coming back).
I think the The End of Time basically sums up everything wrong with the RTD era, with an overly emotional end to a Doctor that ended up being a stroppy child by the end. Yeah, all that build up of character development for the Doctor as a strong 'oncoming storm' (insert near end of The Family of Blood here too) ended with 'I don't want to go'! Sure there are problems with Moffats era (some of which you listed) but Russel T was just as bad (if not worse if you go into detail). Plus the most memorable episodes from RTD's run was from Moffat.
LesserWhovian Oh, like how he was boasting about getting it good with Madame de Pompadour to his companions who were about to be harvested?
Also the Doctor was dying. We know he doesn't technically die since he'd just regenerate, but as he states in the previous episode; regenerating is pretty much like dying whilst someone else (another personality) takes over your body and your current mind is pretty much lost. Yea; shocking that he might be scared and have regrets. Oh I forgot; having emotions is apparently BAD.
Interesting that the Cyber Controller can be heard exerting as he climbs the ladder
I hope we see the return of a proper cyber controller soon we haven’t had one since this episode
Ahh the best doctor who days
0:36 Looks like quagmire also got upgraded.
Every time I see this episode I always think, "Barty Crouch Sr. v.s. Barty Crouch Jr."
He's making a Cyberman reference.
As if you could learn to fly an aircraft by playing a playstation!
yeah. Xbox is the way to go
+TheExplodingBacon yeah, I'd be like "where's the A button? Where's the button to acccelerate?!"
Louie Clarke but then again the accelerate button is always the r2 button
Its probably a very boring game
Look at the cybermen in the background at 0:36 an Easter egg probably
Carful men he'll steal your girl!
I really wish we could've seen more of the Cyber Controller/john lumic in future episodes I really liked him imagine if he appeared in the next cybermen episode with the daleks and and led the attack on torchwood also imagine him and Dalek Sec in a 1 on 1 fight 2 leaders of 2 different enemies of the doctor fighting each other that would've been awesome it be even more awesome if he was the cyber king in the next doctor episode after all who better to be king of the cybermen then their creator
I think that's one of my few problems with this story. Imagine how much more affective it would have been if Mickey had stayed on what we knew was a doomed world. Then again, they would have had to bring back the ski-mask Cybermen, and I'm not sure if modern audiences would have taken them seriously.
i could just imagine Clara being one of those cybermen #Spoilers
Well one companion became cyber but it wasn't clara
@@bradDark6941 Bill, right?
@@androidaxolotl8311 mhm yup
The idea that what has been done to these people is so horrific that if they become aware of it the horror literally kills them is actually an awesome concept
I love the music that plays during this scene, very action like.
"I'm sorry,i'm so,so sorry" XD I love it when he says that!
R.I.P CyberLeader 2006 to 2006
Can u imagine if Pete didn’t catch the sonic lmao
3:39 when u trip off the pavement and roll your ankle
This is the very first Doctor Who contact for me,that robot falling to a burnig building,it was like: for the Great Cthulhu I want more!!!!
Seems like Lumic still had emotions! He got super angry.
You can hear lumic screaming inside the cyber controllers scream
But that gave me cyberman feels. They have souls then they see themselves as robots. That hurts.
and this episode was where my love for the Cybermen began
If you can hear closely there a roblox death sound at 1:50
0:12 Cyberman is heartbreaking
The screaming cyber men sound like the screaming guy in the max headroom mask during the pirating incident.
Doctor Who What if Cyber Controller Kill Rose Tyler's Father is Dead in The Age of Steel
My favourite episode from Series 1-4
2:58 Who else expected Pete to bite it again, only to laugh at 3:40?
The sound was just at such a frequency that it resonated with the rope and creating a form of barrier using a blast of sound against some form of attack isn't so farfetched either. It's only when he starts hacking computers with it that it gets silly.
This is my favorite scene from The Age of Steel
1:51 Is that the Roblox death sound?
(3:50) I really wish I could find that sound effect.
3:49 - The rocket launcher sound effect from Doom. =P
+Liolar43 nope! icon of sin!
+zewing ytundas That's the one. xD