The Secret to Winning Faceoffs in NHL 18 (Faceoff Counters, Tactics and Set Plays)
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2017
- Today we are primarily mythbusting faceoff counters, and you will learn what goes through the head of a top player when he (or she..) is taking a faceoff. We include how to do the "fake" grip faceoff, you'll learn how to score off of a faceoff, and how to defend yourself against those goals.
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I thought I put a conclusion image for the counters, but I appear to have missed it. I'm sorry ;_;
To summarize:
Tieup beats Backhand
Forehand beats Tieup
Sticklift beats Forehand
Backhand is FAVORED over Sticklift, but not a perfect counter.
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Tieup draws with Sticklift
Forehand draws with Backhand
Just a few things I wanted to point out:
I tested the timing window by having one controller take an extra second to do a faceoff move compared to the other one, and the one that was latest still ended up winning the faceoffs normally.
Outside of the first forehand/backhand experiment, I did each of them at least 10 times. The problem is, sometimes I messed up the timing and did not catch it until I was editing the video. So then I was left with 8 attempts (6 to 2 for instance) and just left it alone, where as other times when it was just a clean sweep I dropped it down to 5 attempts to 0. Hopefully that doesn't make some stats guys upset =b. But the main point isn't the numbers that I used, but rather that winning under certain circumstances is still possible.
I also did a backhand sticklift and forehand sticklift experiment, as well as a backhand tie up/forehand tieup and found that they were all toss ups. So, one being forehands and the other backhand doesn't make one stronger over the other. You can believe me, but you don't have to, haha.
Brianstormed hey man, I came across a player that took no stance and won 20 of 25 draws, and I'm pretty solid at the dot, have you come across this?
How much better were his centermen? If it was Iginla/Jagr then I'd imagine thats possible.
Brianstormed His Henrique, Couture, Driassaitl, Backstrom. All Base Cards...mine are legend Sitller, Totw Macdavid, Getzlaf and Backstrom base.
Thats bizarre. I tested the "no grip" faceoff thing while doing this and it didn't work for me. When I watch my brother play he never grips it either, and never wins a faceoff, which causes me to always tell him to grip it LOL. Do you have any video proof of this, perhaps? It'll just help me see it better to experiment.
Brianstormed man I wish I did. I won the game, but it was very frustrating!
Great video. Went from being an absolute plug in the faceoff circle to actually winning them sometimes for a change. Thanks man
I watched this video. checked your description summary of the ices and counters. and honestly won almost every face off in EASHL for like 5 games lol once I'd figure out what they're doing. I'd win everything. My teammates loved it.
Helped me out bunches was not confident at all in face offs now I’m winning about 85% of them lol and that’s from winning one or two of em
Really appreciate you helping me out. Awesome content, thank you for all your hard work!
Not a problem! I appreciate you writing this message! =]
Late night video, glad I stayed up tonight ❤
I had to release this, I can't just go 3 days without a video..haha
I can't go 3 days without a vid either
Bro this was confusing af did you do a summary of everything at the end?
As in "so, to sum it all up..."
Uh oh. I thought I put a conclusion image to the counters at the end of that part of the video, but it appears I forgot to put it in. Welp, damn.
Oh well. So anything that I talked about, with regards to tactics can't be summarized because those were all different points. But I'll give it a shot when I reupload the video.
As far as the counters go:
Tieup beats Backhand
Forehand beats Tieup
Sticklift beats Forehand
Backhand is FAVORED over Sticklift, but not a perfect counter.
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Tieup draws with Sticklift
Forehand draws with Backhand
Brianstormed thanks for replying that should help out
Great video man, I am terrible at faceoffs I had no idea there was training. I'm hitting the practice ice tonight before some CS games!! You rock man!!!
+Stitched Bizkit thanks dude, glad you enjoyed!
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Thanks!! The grind continues!
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I've found that the best counter to the forehand stick lift is moving a winger towards the puck right after faceoff. Sometimes you can get to the puck before the team that won the faceoff has.
Ah yeah I forgot to put that in the video, there was already quite a bit of different stuff in there haha. Doing that is primarily an EASHL thing though. Outside of that you'll mostly try to poke the puck before the opponent can make a move.
I've beating my head against the wall for days over faceoffs - thank you so goddamn much for this video haha
Haha no problem!
Great video! I still try to learn stuff for 17 but I got a bit confused this time. Your previous video said that backhand/forehand does not matter in 17 but in this video you point out that backhand always won against forehand in 17. Could you explain one more time all the combinations for 17 please? It would really help me! Thank you and great work! I love these experiments that you do!
So in NHL 17 I had a friend help me out with the faceoff counters, I kind of feel like connection had a part in screwing up the experiment so in that case backhand was the same as forehand. I noticed later on in the year that the backhand would always beat the forehand whenever I played.
In NHL 17 it was:
Tieup beats Backhand and Sticklift
Backhand beats Forehand and Sticklift
Forehand beats Tieup
Sticklift beats Forehand
Brianstormed Great! That explains it! It also explains why many people complain when the connection is not good! :)
Btw. that could also be a nice experiment: comparing how connection speed influences your winning chances!
Thanks again for the quick answer!
nice vid
the first half of the video say until 11:30 is confusing because the video is showing lots of face-offs while you are talking and that makes it hard to concentrate on what to do. The second half is much better showing real situations and what to do. This is the kind of stuff that I find helpful. Thanks for doing all the work. it really is great that you are moving the skills meter forward by showing us this stuff.
+the calvenator yeah I realize it can be a little confusing, I was hoping I would save some te and people can just go back and watch the video again if they didn't understand something. I might throw in a few more conclusions to make it easier to understand.
You can shoot it in the middle of the game after you’ve been doing every other move normally and it will probably work.
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Oh hey! Yeah I think we played when I was a Twitch streamer for a short time. I felt that going into UA-cam was more beneficial so I switched over and focused on one game rather than many games. Not sure if you'd enjoy this content, but welcome nevertheless! :)
This vid really helped thx
No problem =]
Hey, great video! It would be interesting to find out at what rating it matters with FO rating. I know you showed in the video that a 1 stat difference in FO doesnt do anything, and a 11 rating difference does alot. But what about a 5 difference? Would Crosby (85FO) vs Kurri (90FO) have a chance?
While its not exactly linear, we saw that the 21 difference gave the higher faceoff guy a 40% chance of winning the faceoff despite having the wrong counter. An 11 difference gave a 20%, and a 1 different was no change. I'd imagine the 5 difference would be a 10% chance of winning, as it would be somewhere in between, which makes it not that big of a deal in my opinion.
I see, that makes sense! Thanks alot for the video, really informative
hey Brian, have you seen that funny Faceoff grip where the stick is parallel to the player? LOL is that a classic controls thing? Or do you know how to do it?
Can I see a video clip of this?
Brianstormed I wish I had one, pretty funny
how do people do forehand tieup? (push forward not kickback) someone said u have to start with forehand and then switch to backhand wen ref drops it and quickly push up on rs. it didnt really work for me tho.
+boobz Gill the kickback is a forehand sticklift. When you do a forehand tieup it can either be the push or it just keeps both centermen in the middle.
I’ve seen people do a backhand grip and yet he somehow does a forehand faceoff win.. do you know how to pull it off cause I have no idea and this guy was doing it with consistency too
Yes, its toward the end of the video going into advanced tactics.
Brianstormed but he didn’t switch his grip before the ref dropped the puck, that’s what confused me
So you can do the same thing but literally right before the ref drops the puck, without trying to screw up your opponent. You might just have to practice it a bit.
Brianstormed okay thanks
Skykid6 - I had the same problem in a eashl game the center was starting backhand winning forehand and also sometimes he would do this glitch and win with one hand clean he was doing all types of glitchy ass face offs wins
You didn't show backhand vs the for/back tie-up. I assume it is the same as if you would use forehand vs the tie-up?
It was right before the numberphile clip, the tieup won 5 times out of 5 against the backhand.
So many words... Where is the exact info? Where 1, 2, 3 and other tip? Wasted my time
+CrossFit Mania sorry. It might have been too advanced for you. If you want a more basic version check out my NHL 17 how to win faceoffs video.
I'm in the middle of Hockey Ultimate Team and on the Team Challenges once I get to semi-pro I can't win faceoffs. Nothing I do works!
I found that a basic backhand works best against the AIs. Unfortunately its hard to counter them just because they are unpredictable with their faceoffs. Make sure you have higher faceoff centermen compared to the AIs as well. If you are doing faceoff challenges (Win more faceoffs than computer, win 75% of the faceoffs) you can position lock to a winger and your computer will win them easily.
Do how to cycle and look for scoring opportunities plizz 😭
Haha, next one is going to be about scoring goals. I don't know how much it'll get into that just yet.
If I don't cover much about cycling then, I'll make it in another one.
Elite Gaming Use Overload, Once you have the puck in the boards You have options to pass down deep or back up to the point
He probably already does thanks to my strats video =b
Where can I see my faceoff winning percentage? Specifically for my EASHL team.
Go to Stats Central and then Player Stats (switch to your rank, and then go to the right to Faceoff Wins and Percentage).
Can you do a video for goalie?
Unfortunately I'm not very good as a goalie. I recommend checking out "Between the Pipes" who can turn anybody into an Elite goalkeeper :)
Brianstormed cool thanks I'm just looking to get better ill check em out
can u make a graph or something to make it a little clearer
or a chart
The counters are very similar to the one posted toward the beginning of the video except that the backhand is NOT a perfect counter to the sticklift, while the other 3 are true.
Please test player attributes!!!!!!!!! Do they matter or is ice tilt to blame? Oh wait that doesn't exist...........but seriously do the matter? Great vid by the way.
What do you mean by player attributes? Like see what each stat does?
To be more specific, I was talking about one on battles........like forward on Dman.....speed and acceleration comparisons. I know positioning has a lot to do with it.......but when a speed guy can't increase the gap driving to the net and or Dman close the gap it makes me wonder what good is 91 acceleration and 93 speed when a Dman with both 87's can catch you behind. By the way I love your video on using strategies. I do have another question, why does it seem my 4chkers are not aggressive when I have everyone's aggression maxed? I'm using 2-3 with my D pressure set to high. Thanks again, your videos are very helpful!
Thanks for the love dude! Something to remember is that when you are holding the puck you are slower than when you don't have the puck. I may conduct experiments like this to see what the #s are. D pressure will not affect forecheckers. Make sure that your Forecheck bias is all the way up as well so your players are more likely to forecheck than go NZ defense. 2-3 is also not a very aggressive forecheck, as you only have 2 people going in and 3 defending.
ok thanks for the tips, I will adjust accordingly!
Against CPU on superstar the counters don't work
And I don't understand how backhand won vs STICKLIFT. Like, it shouldn't be possible. Yet it got the score of 8 to 2
Its the other way around, the stick lift, according to most people, should not win against the backhand, but it still won twice. Thats how the counter is, the backhand should beat the sticklift all the time.
Also tie up should beat sticklift
But it doesn't, its a toss up (draw).
the hut synergies like RS,S,TN that work the three are worth or no?
yes they are
Brianstormed ok thanks you’re the best
Tie up beats stick lift
+snc237 nope, they are a draw this year
Whats the deal with cs!? Once im in the top 50 they only give me scrubs to play against and ill get no more than 10pts a game. Its super annoying. I am in d1 which i thought would help match me to better guys in cs but i guess not?
+Keith Winter yeah it's kinda broken lol
Only 5 min in but what do you press etc
you use the left stick and right stick..
I know alot about this stuff.. but how is it that people can spam the tieup all damn game without me being able to counter one time trying every move in the book. Skill of players faceoffs trumps all is my guess.
Yeah the faceoff rating is really the most important part of taking faceoffs it seems. Definitely rough if you don't have much of a chance against a 99 OVR who keeps tying you up even though you are going forehand.
Brianstormed Definitely.. good stuff man, love the detailed vids.
I don't speak english very good, I didn't understand 50% of the video
Sorry :(..I think I made the video a little too advanced, but UA-cam lacks that kind of content anyway. If you want you can check out my NHL 17 faceoffs video where its not as confusing but the information is a little outdated. Feel free to rewatch the video as well to replay the information you didn't understand. If there are any specific questions/concerns you can ask them too!
I thought holding your grip longer gave you a better chance of winning. Is this a myth as well?
It kind of is, you can't just instantly choose a grip and try to win the faceoff (without doing the fake grip). Just because your opponent held it for an extra second doesn't mean he will win.
It's suppose to give you an advantage. I'm assuming a small faceoff rating boost but nothing noticeable
Just get to the point please 💋
too mutch Penaltys NHL 18 is VEry BULLSHIT!!
How do people have trouble understanding the faceoffs and counters? I learned all the counters from experience in 1 week. Must be because the average Canadian has an IQ of 90 and spends his time fucking caribou.