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The first of what I hope are many good looks at the wizards and warriors of fantastical fiction. What other topics do you think you'll be covering here?
I don't use any of those things but I'll certainly tell people. Good luck guys, great first video 💜 I'd really like to see some videos on the Witcher book series, I've never seen the TV show or played the video games, but the books were quite good, you could do some videos on the movements of everyone through out the series and also there are a few battles we know of. It would be cool to go through Sodden Hill and Brenna, as well as the skirmish where Geralt and co fight the nilfgardians at the bridge with Queen Meave's men. A Song of Ice and fire would be pretty good as well, let's face it the series is 6 books with 3 prequel novellas and some supporting lore books. So we may as well see some of it wrapped up by you guys as well. And if the 7th book ever comes out, at least you'll have an audience for the videos you make about that too. Just my thoughts. I hope that you cover some material I'm not familiar with as well because I enjoy your style and it might encourage me to read something new 😁
Fun fact: Sauron sent many orcs to block the Alliance in the mountain passes near Imladris, but these orcs were too scared after seeing the great host and fled. They stayed in the mountains however, becoming the ancestors of orcs of Moria and Gundabad
Seeing everything on an animated map really helps to put things in context. Two minor bloopers: at this time Minas Tirith was still known as Minas Anor, Tower of the Sun, to pair with Minas Ithil, Tower of the Moon. It didn't become Minas Tirith, Tower of Guard, until thousands of years later when the Ringwraiths stormed Minas Ithil and made it Minas Morgul, Tower of Sorcery. Also Isildur spent a couple of years in Gondor training Meneldil, son of Anarion, to take up the throne of Gondor; only then did he set out for Arnor.
I recommend the book The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad, it helped me so much especially when I was reading the Silmarillion, read that one in like 8th grade but got confused got the Atlas book and read the book again my Jr year and made more sense.
Yeah but look at it this way it's trying to be accurate in battles and conquest, it's not trying to tell the whole story of why someone went to such and such. It's just given a basic understanding for most of us already know the story
@Charles Larrivee : That is indeed spot on. You've read The Silmarillion a number of times too, eh? It was a great plague centuries earlier that had ended the watch on Mordor itself, and Sauron later sent most of the ringwraiths to quietly prepare Mordor for his return. And since the tower of Cirith Ungol on the other side of the pass had long been abandoned, the Gondorians were caught off guard by the assault on Minas Ithil through that pass.
According to the books, Elendil and Gil-Galad wounded Sauron that serious that at the point where he managed to kill both, he was extremely weakened and almost beaten himself! Isildur actually didn’t defend himself with all he had but actively went after him and cut the ring of Sauron’s hand
Actually the books are pretty explicit that Elendil and Gil-Galad KILLED Sauron, and themselves died in the duel, not just wounded him. Isildur cut the ring from Sauron's hand as a trophy after he had already been struck down, and the two didn't actually fight.
@@itsfelbourne8254 Gil-galad was "destroyed" by the heat of Sauron's hand, so it's likely not as clear-cut as that. However the duel played out, Isildur did indeed cut it off Sauron's defeated physical form.
@@itsfelbourne8254 I recommend you to read again whatever you read... cause Sauron was „defeated“, his physical form, yet not killed! You can‘t kill him! In fact, he had the ring on his hand and while being massively weakened from the wound both high kings inflicted on him, he still managed to burn Gil-Galad into nothing with his bare hand and fell Elendil the Tall... doesn‘t sound KILLED at all! It was just as Isildur took up Narsil, walked to the weakened Sauron and cut the Ring of his finger that his physical form was really defeated
@@michelmorio8026 Death has a very specific definition as it used by Tolkien. That is, separation of the fëa from the hröa, the soul from the body. Sauron was killed, the destruction of his physical form WAS death. Just as Gandalf's death against Durin's Bane.
6:09 when it was founded Minas Tirith was called Minas Anor. It was the “Tower of the Sun” while Minas Ithil was the “Tower of the Moon.” Minas Anor would be renamed to Minas Tirith “Tower of Guard” over two thousand years later (T.A. 2002) after the fall of its sister city to the Witch-King an its renaming as Minas Morgul “Tower of Black Sorcery”
A minor correction: during this period, Minas Tirith was called Minas Anor (meaning "Tower of the Sun"). The city only became Minas Tirith ("Tower of Guard") late in the Third Age, after the fall of Minas Ithil ("Tower of the Moon") to the Nazgul and their forces. The name change was because after the fall of Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith was now the main bulwark against the threat of Mordor. Love the video folks!
My gosh, Sauron may be a One-Man-Army, but he was no tactician Imagine if he watched your short videos on medieval strategy, we would be talking orcish right now
His troops also suck. I mean they are just awful, but for some reason I liked the orcs. They make great villains. They show fear, I love that aspect of them, their human aspects in the movies.
Well he was a pretty good diplomat, destroyed Numenorian kingdom from within. And later kicked their and elf asses on the continent. I think he believed he can win in a decisive battle, and he almost did.
@@aksmex2576 they suck at fighting but to survive a winter night for example, they are bad enough to cut open one of there brothers, and crawl inside of them to keep warm and survive, so they can go to lengths many couldn,t go to.
That is not how the conflict went down in the books... lots of mistakes in this video. All we know is that after a tough 7-year siege, where many relief armies had to be beaten back, Sauron challenged Elendil and Gil-Galad to "single" combat. Isildur was Elendil's second, Elrond Gil-Galad's. Sauron killed Elendil and Gil-Galad, but was finally overcome when Isildur cut his ring off. I.e. the finale was something like an honour duel. Not a big sally. And it occurred on the slopes of Mount Doom, not in front of Barad Dur. Both sides had good reason to accept this "duel" proposed by Sauron. The besiegers were dying in droves every month from disease and projectiles, whereas inside Barad Dur, the besieged were on their last legs after 7 years of total blockade. Elendil and Gil-Galad were going to starve out the defenders in the end, but at additional cost, which was already great. So they accepted Sauron's challenge.
Well, the Elfish rings were also the only ones made without the direct involvement of Sauron at all, only following his teachings. That's why they not only managed to survive, but were allowed to travel into the West
not the only error, looks like the script writer is doing hasty work wich misinform the unknowing listener. i would like the channel to like your comment and not his own.
@@vladescu3g I'll be more blunt: this video is kind of a pig with some make up, the tactical representations don't add anything if I can''t trust the accuracy of the information.
He saw much more because he was alive even in the end of the first age and survived the war of Morgoth. His twin brother was the first king of Numenor and so Elrond is literally the GREAT GREAT GREAT ×20-30 uncle of Aragorn
Elrond went through so much trauma- He was 6 when his home was sacked by the sons of Feanor and his mother forced to abandon him, 50 when both parents left for the undying lands. He had lost his brother in the second age to human age, the only king he had ever known was killed before his eyes by Sauron, and his wife captured and tortured before having to leave for Valinor for healing, and his kids putting their lives on the line for humans he knows can fail.
Amazing as always! Just one major lore fact: Isildur did not defeat Sauron. It was a triple duel between Elendil, Gil-Galad and Sauron, in which the 3 were slain. Isildur just cut the ring from an already defeated Sauron.
Actually, Sauron was not "slain" at that time. He defeated the high kings with his bare hands and after that he fell to the ground. Tolkien said Sauron left his physical body when Isildur cut his finger.... So Sauron was not dead then
@@_semih_ Sauron was defeated enough by Elendil and Gil-Galad that Isildur cuold just come in and cut the ring off from a Sauron that didn't offer resistance. The point was that Isildur didn't defeat Sauron, like it was portrayed in the movie.
@@_semih_ It doesn't matter in the case of Sauron, as being an immortal spirit, he was never killed. Not even after the destruction of the ring. It's just a way of speaking.
Ok one big correction, it wasn't the Valar that destroyed Numenor. It was Eru Illuvitar himself. But otherwise great video and I'd love to see you cover the more obscure First Age stuff.
You are completely right. But an additional info maybe. It was ERU who destroy, but the valars "summoned" him. I guess that's the reason for the confusion. But yeah, you are right and the video is great. Congrats on the observation.
Yeah I was going to comment on this point myself, The Silmarillion says, and I might not be exactly quoting it here "That Manwe gave up his governance of Middle Earth and Eru sank Numenor below the waves" or something to that effect. Su I don't think summoned him is the proper way to look at it. I think Eru was watching the whole time and just waiting for Manwe to say "Ok Boss I give what should we do?" Otherwise it was an excellent video all the same and I can not wait for the rest of them.
I just watched the video and i was thinking the same thing while watching then i was second guessing myself so happy that i scrolled through the comments and saw this im happy to know my first thought was correct
Small correction: it wasn't the Valar who destroyed Numenor, it was Eru himself. Manwe, leader of the Valar, appealed to the Creator to protect them, and he did. The act of Eru also destroyed Beleriand, removed Valinor from Arda and created the shape of Middle Earth as we know it from the movies and other popular media. Great move creating this channel, however! Looking forward to your future videos!
Um, Beleriand was already destroyed before Numenor was created. That landmass was destroyed at the end of the First Age in the aftermath of the War of Wrath.
Did Eru destroy Beleriand? I know he did the other stuff but I thought the War of Wrath was just so intense it broke and sank beneath the seas, I hadnt head that Eru actively sank it
Not mentioned in the video and largely over looked by Middle earth historians is the affects of 3rd breakfast on the morale of troops. 2nd Breakfast was rare indeed but Sauron used it to his advantage after his Orc scouts, mistook the hobbits for men, saw considerable boost for the hobbits after their 3rd breakfast and plowing the farm fields. At first indifferent, yet later Sauron would experiment the method on his armies. Indeed the trial turned proving and as such Sauron implemented 3rd breakfast as part of military reform.
Why do I want to play as sauron in a middle earth total war? The idea of world conquest intrigues me. Same reason why I love the Romans, although they had the best troops irl.
@@TheDentedHelmet Bruh Sauron literally just threw masses of orcs at the enemy and that was his "tactic" for pretty much his entire campaign. Sauron is no tactician.
Loved your kickoff but there were some light glitchers in your adaptation: - Numenor was sank by the will of Iluvatar, not the Valar - I think that the king of Lothlorien was Celeborn, spouse of Galadriel -Baradur were not built at the slope of Mount Doom, but your depiction of the battlefield makes that idea Anyway, looking forward for your next videos. It was a great start!
Thanks for the feedback! I am quite sure that Amdir was the king of Lothlorien. Barad Dur wasn't on the slope, maybe we should have depicted it a bit clearer. Our bad on the sinking. It was Eru Iluvatar who sank the island "for breaking the ban of Valar". Basically Valar Manwe asked Iluvatar to sink Numenor. This was scuffed in editing.of the script and is my bad. Thanks for keeping us honest. :-)
Amdir was the first King of Lothlorien. Amroth succeeded him after the War of the Last Alliance. For the fate of Amroth, I would recommend checking out the story of Nimrodel. Lothlorien was left kingless and nobody assumed the title of king afterwards. Celeborn and Galadriel took the titles of Lord and Lady of Lothlorien, but not king/queen.
It seems like Amdir and Galadriel were both at some point rulers of Lorinand/Lorien and also Celeborn is described as "King of East Lorien" in points. But as the Unfinished Tales say, the stories of Galadriel, Celeborn, Amdir and Amroth seem to have been revised several times and the time line seems muddled with some contradictions.
If this is going by the books then, Sauron was defeated by the combined might of Gil-Galad and Elendil while they were slain by Sauron. Isildur just cut of the ring from the hand of an already defeated Sauron.
Yes, I believe Elendil was slain but after he was able to wrestle Sauron down. When Sauron was down, Isildur saw his change to cut the One Ring off of Sauron's finger.
The account in the video seems to mix in details from both the books and the movies. Most of it is true to the books (minus the part about Elves, Men, and Dwarves being given their rings at around the same time) until the final battle during Siege of Barad-Dur portion. I'm pretty sure they added that in from the films to spice it up a bit. I don't think the battle or the fight between Isildur and Sauron is in the books.
@@AeneasGemini Agreed, and to be honest I’m not sure who could do it any theatrical justice. More of a hope and a dream really. K&G, and Simon are carrying the torch with honor for now. Cheers to them.
This channel is something special. Something I've been looking for on UA-cam for years. Yeah there are tons of "fantasy lore" channels but all of which I've seen (and I've seen a crap ton) just...idk I can't explain it properly but this channel is amazing. It's factual, straight to the point while leaving nothing out and genuinely feels like I'm watching a documentary or sitting in on a history lecture(to most that probably sounds horrible I love history and fantasy just as much). Thank you!
One very important correction though: the rings being given to Dwarves and Men was Sauron's back-up plan. The sixteen original Rings of Power were meant for Elf-Lords, who porved able to resist Sauron's trickery and hid the Rings. The Three Elven Rings were crafted outside of Sauron's plan.
Not the biggest mistake. Biggest mistake was saying the Valar destroyed numenor. They didn’t. It was the one time that Eru intervened directly in ME. The Valar were essentially bewildered by the behavior of the numenoreans at this point and God Himself came out of the heavens to strike down the children.
Heyyy! Amazing video, but slight correction: Elendil and Gil-galad actually were successful in their duel against Sauron, and they managed to vanquish him (it’s possible that his body may not have died straight away). Either way, Elendil and Gil-galad defeated him and died in the process, Isildur then cut the Ring from Sauron’s body. Sorry for their long answer, I’m a massive fan of LOTR mythology. Love the new channel, hope you cover the Wheel of Time!
Its likely the vice versa. Sauron defeated them and the entire army of the Last Alliance singlehandedly! He literally *destroyed* Gil-Galad and slayed Elendil brutally. In the book, Sauron broke the siege of Barad-dur and pushed the Army of the Last Alliance 30 miles back (48 kilometers) to the slopes of Mount Doom. And literally destroyed almost everyone except 3 person, Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond were the only survivors from the Last Alliance. Sauron, despite his weakened state, did all of this lol. "Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster and *diminished* (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). *He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation,* and for gaining control over his former subjects. *He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established.”* [The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 211 to Rhona Beare)] "Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodruin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom. *But Sauron struck too soon, before his own power was rebuilt,* whereas the power of Gil-galad had increased in his absence." [Appendix A. (I) The Numenorean kings (i) Númenor, Return of the King]
This! A great video, but this mistake was pretty bad... I know thats what in the movies, but the source material states that Isildur cut the One Ring using the broken Narsil after Sauron has been defeated.
@@_semih_ Wrong. If there were only 3 survivours left in the battle where Gil-galad and Elendil defeated Sauron, then the disaster of the Gladden fields makes no sense at all. After the defeat of Sauron, Isildur spent a few years in Gondor, teaching Meneldil (Anarion's son) on how to rule Gondor, while he himself took the title of high king of Arnor and Gondor, before intending to return to Rivendell where his youngest son and wife awaited him. It's also worth noting, that the three remaining sons of Isildur were all present during the war of the last alliance and they were killed by orcs in the disaster of the gladden fields.
@@gregormeglic2389 nope. Isildur had only 200 men in his company, it's not even an army. That guards must be from the remaining forces/garrison in Osgiliath and Minas Anor (Minas Tirith later). Tolkien stated only very few characters of great strength can and could endure the eye of Sauron and his dreadful presence. Remember that Sauron's mere presence made Luthien, (the most powerful elf and half maia) to faint by just a glance and he made Orodreth and the Noldor warrior elves that were seen the light of the trees to flee in despair and dread. As I said according to the story, Sauron broke the siege and crushed the besiegers after that he drove the Last Alliance back from Barad-dur's front side to the slopes of Mt Doom. It's really hard to believe there were other survivors other than Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur.
@@_semih_ Cool fanfiction, where can I read it? Isildur had 200 _veterans_ because the rest had returned to Arnor by foot. "There he assumed the Elendilmir as King of Arnor, and proclaimed his sovereign lordship over all the Dúnedain in the North and in the South; for he was a man of great pride and vigour. He remained for a year in Gondor, restoring its order and defining its bounds; *but the greater part of the army of Arnor returned to Eriador by the Númenórean road from the Fords of Isen to Fornost."* "With Isildur went his three sons, Elendur, Aratan, and Ciryon, and his Guard of two hundred knights and soldiers, *stern men of Arnor and war-hardened."*
It's incredible how you summarised in less than 20 minutes the second age, I thought that impossible. Such a great job, clear and entertaining to watch. Loooking forward for the next one
I thought Elendil and Gil-Galad in their deaths defeated Sauron. Yes, they died during ther combat but in the fight they managed to over throw Sauron. To say that Elendil was no match for a Sauron is in my opinion unfair to the High King as he was probably the mightiest Numenorean at this time and an exceptional swordsman. Wielding Narsil in his hands he was unmatched at the battlefield. And he was tall af, 241cm to be exact. For the orcs he must have been like a giant. Great work anyways, but I dont know if you are sticking only to the books or are you combining books and movies cuz few parts were also wrong, like cutting the Ring of by the Isildur.
And Sauron never wield a mace, is implied that he kill Gil-galad and mortaly wound Elendil with his bare hands " which was black and yet burned like fire", but hinself being overrun and "mortaly" wounded, which gave Isildur the opportunity to cut his finger off.
I loved your guys’s documentaries on Julius Caesar and I’m a huge fan of fantasy so you could imagine my excitement for this channel. I am happy to say that I am not disappointed. Awesome work guys!
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
Beautiful start! I really love the artwork. I only want to point out one thing. I think it is implied that Gil-Galad and Elendil were slain while also managing to slay Sauron. It is after this, that Isildur goes to the fallen body of Sauron and cuts the ring from his hand. Otherwise, the video is excellent! :)
@@WizardsandWarriors The video implies that Sauron first killed Gil-Galad and then Elendil, with Isildur being the last to fight him and kill him, but Tolkien implies that Gil-Galad and Elendil fought Sauron together and managed to defeat him while also suffering mortal wounds themselves. It was after Sauron was defeated that Isildur went to his body and cut the ring, taking it for himself. There are 3-4 vague descriptions of this fight, but all of them seem to point out more or less the same thing. Not to diminish Isildur's character or anything he has done many great things hehe. Sorry for the rant though, I really enjoyed the video!
@@WizardsandWarriors elendil and Gilgalad defeated Sauron, and isildur cut the ring from the finger. Also, I don't think Sauron is described as having a mace, this video seems to just take a bunch of stuff from the film's tbh
@@WizardsandWarriors Sauron in the books also wasn't described as wearing armor and wielding a mace. "There he took up again his great Ring in Barad-dur, and dwelt there, dark and silent, until he wrought himself a new guise, an image of malice and hatred made visible; and the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure.” - The Silmarillion. "There in the valley of Gorgoroth Anárion son of Elendil was slain, and many others. But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own." Notice how Elendil and Gil Galad, throw down sauron as their dying actions, and then Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's hand. This is also reinforced by Elrond's account of the scenario. "I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own." Also note in the official timeline of the second age in Appendix B says the following about the end of the War of the Last Alliance ''3441 Sauron overthrown by Elendil and Gil-galad, who perish. Isildur takes the One Ring. Sauron passes away and the Ringwraiths go into the shadows. The Second Age ends.''
You could have gone into more detail about the War of the Elves regarding the fall of Ost-in-Edhil and the significance of the intervention of the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm led by Durin III. Otherwise great video, looking forward for more LOTR lore!
There's a lot of Tolkien material: the first wars, the War of Wrath, the fall of Morgoth, the sieges of the elven cities, the Dwarf-Orc wars, the war of the Ring, the battle of Five Armies, the fall of Arnor and Angmar, the Easterling-Gondor wars, etc
The forging of the rings and the war of the elves is sufficient for a video of its own. I think they did a good job of summarizing it for prologue purposes.
There's a small LotR youtube channel who has covered the war of the elves and sauron and many other battles in Tolkien's Legendarium in this style. He was inspired by the Bazbattles channel and is very faithful to the LotR books as well. ua-cam.com/video/LDQBFX2QA2k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LoreoftheRings I highly suggest checking him out if you're interested.
I need a chronological breakdown of the battles in the Wheel of Time from the Siege of Cairhein to Dumai's Wells to the Siege of Emond's Field, and I think that Daniel Green agrees.
So glad to see you guys exploring fantasy more, especially the Lord of the Rings! One error I noticed while watching this is that Isildur actually never battled or defeated Sauron in the books, it's only the films that showed it that way. Gil-Galad and Elendil battled Sauron together and successfully defeated him, but tragically died in the process themselves. Elendil's sword Narsil broke underneath him, and Isildur simply picked up his father's broken sword, walked over to Sauron's defeated physical form and separated his finger with the One Ring attached.
In the books I don’t think Sauron is depicted using a giant mace to kill his enemies. That is an invention of the movies. As in there’s no mention what weapon he used or if he used a weapon at all. Gil-galad and Elendil actually heavily damaged Sauron before they died. Isildur just finished the job and chopped off the ring.
The mace and armor in the films is an assumption based on Morgoth his master-I think that makes sense given the Witch King's mace and Sauron's claiming of Morgoth's title and inheritence. that being said, in the books I believe he kills Gil-Galad with the heat of his body as they fought and kills Elendil by his dying fall.
@@Tareltonlives Yes and Isildur only cut of the ring from the hand of the already dead body of Sauron. Which is the reason that it took thousands of years for Sauron to regain his strength enough to rebuild his body.
The book says nothing about "Gil-Galad and Elendil heavily damaged Sauron" or something like that. All we know is they got defeated by Sauron in 2v1 combat and Gil-Galad's body completely destroyed by Sauron's heat and Elendil was slain too.
I read the middle earth novels few years ago in high school, and they were great. the deep extended lore in the appendix section of the last book in the trilogy, albeit quite difficult to grasp, is very well written. I'm glad this channel is here now to provide us with more fantasy stuffs, and for starters, the Middle Earth lore. I hope all the best for you peeps, and I hope you don't get burned out managing these multiple great channels :) :)
This is more awesome and better done than even I expected. And speaking of future videos, I already mentioned this on Discord, but you should make some about the battles of Conan the Cimmerian. It would be nice to see one about the events of "Black Colossus", which is a mythic one, being the story of the first time Conan was put on charge of leading an army. Or "Conan the Liberator", in which the whole war that lead to him becoming king of Aquilonia is narrated. A fact that the classic 80's movies mentioned a lot, but never delivered on explaining or telling about. An historical grievance that you could fix. "How Conan the Barbarian Became King".
Isidur didn't imidiatly set for Arnor He spent some time in Minas Anor (thirith) He planted the white tree seed,instructed Melendil his nephew about rulership and even had time to write the scroll Saruman and Gandalf would later find
Great, but three mistakes. 1. Minas Tirith was "Minas Anor" until the 26th Century of the 3rd Age. 2. The Valar did not sink Numenor. They laid down their authority, and Eru Iluvater himself rounded the earth and sunk Numenor. 3. The Black Gate was not built by Sauron when Barad-Dur was built. The Black Gate was built by Gondor after the War of the Last Alliance to help fence Moroor in. After the Battle of Dagorlad, the armies of the Last Alliance marched in to Mordor and besieged Barad-Dur. Had the Black Gate been there at the time, Mordor could have held it LONG against the Armies og GIl-Galad and Elendil.
Thank you! Everyone seems to forget Gondor controlled Mordor after the War of the Last Alliance and built many fortresses in Mordor to keep watch over it, including the Towers of the Teeth (Narchost and Carchost), Durthang, and Cirith Ungol. The Black gate being constructed out of the same strong, Black stone of Numenor found at the Outer walls of Minas Tirith, and Isengard.
No, Sauron did build the Morannon. The Silmarillion's coverage of the War of the Last Alliance mentions that the Battle of the Dagorlad happens in front of it. It's unclear how, but the Alliance managed to break through after defeating the Orcs. Perhaps they simply chased the fleeing Orcs as they went through the gate?
@@TheDarthbinky You nay want to read The Silmarillion again. The Morannon/Black Gate are not mentioned or referenced. The only line is in the earlier part of Akallabeth in which it says Sauron "... fortified Mordor." The Return of the King, Unfinished Tales, and Appendices all reference Gondor building all the passes and entryways into Mordor after 3441 SA.
@@ModelTrainOutsider The Towers of the Teeth were built by the Gondorians, the Black Gate was built by Sauron. “Upon them stood the Teeth of Mordor, two towers strong and tall. In days long past they were built by the Men of Gondor in their pride and power, after the overthrow of Sauron and his flight, lest he should seek to return to his old realm.” “Across the mouth of the pass, from cliff to cliff, the Dark Lord had built a rampart of stone. In it there was a single gate of iron, and upon its battlement sentinels paced unceasingly.” "From Imladris they crossed the Misty Mountains by many passes and marched down the River Anduin, and so came at last upon the host of Sauron on Dagorlad, the Battle Plain, which lies before the gate of the Black Land."
I'm loving this new series. Fantasy wars deserve just as much 'documentary' coverage as real ones, if there is sufficient detail, and this feels like a good start to a great endeavour
Correction: Isildur did not loose the ring and his sons on the return journey it is only shown like this in the movies...he actually lived quite some time after the war of the last alliance. and he was going to rivendell with his sons to meet his wife that's when he lost it after an ambush by dark forces.
Isildur was returning to Arnor when he was ambushed and killed. It's true that he didn't make that final journey until a few years after the defeat of Sauron, but he was returning to take up his father's throne as High King of Arnor.
The Chronicles of the Black Company by Glen Cook. The battles in these stories have always been my favorite. I'm actually reading through them again, I just finished the Silver Spike.
I love that you are doing my favorite universe, Middle Earth! I am a huge Tolkien nerd, love the lore, so I wanted to point out a discrepancy in your video. In the books we see this passage spoken by Elrond: “I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.”
Great video! Interesting to note that there seems to be a mix of details from both the books and the LotR films, as certain portions like the final battle before Sauron's emergence from Barad-Dur and Isildur's wild sword-swings at Sauron are movie-only details. They happened a bit differently in the book version, though adding in some movie scenes definitely makes it a bit more dramatic.
Neither was the part in which Elrond takes Isildur into mount Doom. That's also movie only. In the books Isildur never has any intentions of destroying the ring.
Two mistakes here: You omitted that the two years of preparation took place in Rivendell after having beaten back a siege there; and the first pitched battle was not Dagorlad but the Eaves of Fangorn where hordes from Mordor attacked the entwives. Otherwise, superbly done.
This was profoundly amazing. Loved the details of the battles, the battlefields, the events of the age that lead up to the great battle and the people involved. I'm a massive scifi and fantasy fan. I know that research has to be done to develop such large content and l appreciate what you've done. If you do ever cover any of the "Space Operas" that we all have grown up with...I would hope to see a cover of either the revamped Battlestar Galactica (from the 2000's) or the Epic grandaddy of Scifi novels D.U.N.E. Best of luck and success with this channel-
15:52 Sauron was not regained his power. Tolkien said he was still too weak and he needed more time to bodily rehabilitation after the downfall of Numenor: "Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster and *diminished* (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). *He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation,* and for gaining control over his former subjects. *He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established.”* [The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 211 to Rhona Beare)] "Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodruin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom. *But Sauron struck too soon, before his own power was rebuilt,* whereas the power of Gil-galad had increased in his absence." [Appendix A. (I) The Numenorean kings (i) Númenor, Return of the King]
I see more mistakes that these already mentioned by others, for instance that Sauron was taken hostage near Umbar and Ar-Pharazon never reached Barad Dur with his army. Another example is that they got final moments of siege of Barad Dur COMPLETELY wrong. They brought movie version instead of book original. It's nice that they want to do fantasy, but due to many lore errors, this video was a false start in my opinion. Also, I would suggest to remove shading from the corners. It makes video feel claustrophobic where Middle-Earth should employ epic large spaces. Besides that, majority of graphics are very nice. Always good to have a new depiction of my favourite universe.
Congrats for your first video. Sauron had just come forth and wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil. He killed both and he himself was nearly destroyed during the fight. You seem like accepting the fiction that was created in the first movie, Sauron headlong charges into the columns of the alliance and decimates them.
Really great guys, so happy for this channel. Though the video started with such great detail, its sad that you completely left out and skipped that it was Gil-Galad and Elindel who actually defeated Sauron, though they died in the attempt. They mortally wounded him and Narsil was broken under the weight of Elendil's body as he fell from Sauron's mortal strike. However, at this point, Sauron collasped, completely defeated by the wounds the two kings had inflicted to his mortal body. Isildur only cut the Ring from Sauron's dead mortal form as a prize of war since Arnor had lost its High King, and Gondor one of its dual kings.........just would have been nice to see credit where it was due to the champions who actually killed Sauron's mortal form. The Ring being "cut from his hand" was not his defeat at all.....it was just an adaptation for the movie scene completely different from the books.
If you're going all in on detailing fictional battles & universes, then I can make a recommendation. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a Book/OVA series that details the exploits of the two primary human factions in the Universe, the Democratic Free Planets Alliance, & the Authortarian Galactic Empire, and their struggle for galatic dominance. The main story as a whole takes place over the course of 8 years, where the War had been fought for 150 years prior. Countless battles, in space or on the ground, are shown in incredible detail. With the exploits of the respective Admirals on full display. Its a fantastic read/watch, and it would be nice to see those events further detailed in your style.
Sauron's alias' name, Annatar, has a part of an actual Finnish word, "Anna", which means "to give", hence, Giver of Gifts. Also, 14:16 brings me so much to the openings of Fellowship of the Ring film, I always thought it was some, random, directorial decision to have them loose arrows and do battle, before Sauron came along, but this gives so much insight to the whole situation, like the loss of Anarion and the consequent breakoff of the Siege.
@@aksmex2576 Not a man, a Maia. And because of that, perhaps, superiority complex got the best of him to finish it up with his mace and the Ring. What could have gone wrong? .... xD
Awesome! Little correction : The only ring wearers who removed the rings following Sauron creation of the one ring where the elves. In the video you correctly say that the 9 men became nazguls while the 7 dwarves just resisted, for example.
I'm really excited for you guys to cover the battle at the Black Gate in the War of the Ring. The Jackson films (despite their amazing virtues) really dropped the ball on that fight, making Aragorn look like an incompetent commander. In the books, while they know it's a trap, there is a clear command structure, use of terrain and tactics, and not just a mad dash toward the enemy.
What has always stuck with me about Tolkien is the lore being clearly influenced by his real life experiences as a soldier in WW1. Especially the imagery invoked by places like the Dead Marshes.
Elrond never took Isildur to mount doom in the books. Plus neither he nor Cirdan knew the full extent of the One Ring's properties. Also Gil Galad and Elendil were definitely a match for Sauron, as they knocked him down which then allowed Isildur to cut off the ring from him
Yeah they, at minimum, fked Sauron up so much he couldnt move and the wounds were 'mortal'. So they broke tf out of his body and the ring was probably the only thing tying him to it, Isildur didnt even administer a coup de grace he just took the ring from a 99% dead body and it broke apart@@crabberdabberye
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. I am so hyped for this channel and series!!
technically the first time, he was defeated by god-level creatures, the second time was debatably his own scheme to get to numenor, the third time by a zillion-to-one stroke of luck, and the last time by lembas-fueled midgets
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Nah second time Numenor legit kicked his ass, third time yeah he wanted to be captured because he knew he couldn't win on the field
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Third time it wasn't a stroke of luck. Elendil and Gil Galad crippled him in a duel and Isildur landed the final blow by cutting the ring from Sauron's broken physical form.
Wow I was completely blown away with the quality of this video. It’s great that much of the imagery is left to the minds eye of the viewer/listener. This was excellent aside from some very minor details that didn’t effect the overall narrative.
1.Gil-Galad and Elendil were defeated by Sauron. Sauron slayed both of them brutally with his bare hands. After that he fell down to the ground. 2.Sauron was not dead when Isildur cut his finger off. The books says Sauron's soul left his physical body after he lost his fingerand the one ring.
As cool as the animations and, in general, the visualisation is, the video is unfortunatly very innacurate regarding the fall of Sauron. Both Gil-Galad, being the last high king of the Noldor, the son of Orodreth of Nargothrond or Fingon (it is very disputed who he is descended from), and Elendil duelled Sauron and eventually slew him, costing both the life of Gil-Galad and Elendil in the process. It was only after the battle was concluded in favour of the last alliance, that Isildur cut the ring off Saurons corpse, claiming it for himself. Depicted here is the movie version which holds many inaccuracies throughout the trilogy, another example being the battle of the pellenor fields, where instead of the grey company and manier man from gondor's coastal cities, the movie shows the army of the mountain men, whose ghosts dwelled in the paths of the dead defeating the host of mordor and harad. So please use the book as adaptation for the videos and not the movies, the movies are inaccurate and do not portray the vision of the author.
Early versions have Gil-Galad as son of Orodreth, but the Silmarillion has him as son of Fingon. I think it adds to his gravitas to be the son of Fingon
@@barkley8285 But its not about the movies, you see, the movies are a mere interpretation of tolkiens works, its just not accurate to the few things that tolkien actually wrote about the second age, some characters, in this case gil-galad, are being actively downgraded by this representation of the war of the last alliance. So no, the movies may be in sync with themselves, but most of the events portrayed here are taken from the books - the appendices and the book of unfinished tales, to just name a few, so its not about the movies at all, they just chose to apply an interpretation from a random person to tolkiens writings, which makes zero sense, they couldve just portrayed the events accurately.
@@talmorean6573 Yes, that is true, however i take the silmarillion always with a grain of salt, though i have to agree that it adds a certain prestige to gil-galad being the son of fingon, which makes the changes in this video, the movie version, even more infuriating, he seemingly died for nothing, just for sauron to be defeated by isildur with a single stroke. It would be the last stand of the house of fingolfin, to kill sauron, a worthy end to the line in middle earth, and a worthy end to somebody like gil-galad.
First of all: great comment. Second: i think Fingon is the father of Gil-galad for several reasons. First: Passing the High Kingship from House of Fingolfin to House of Finarfin would have been a huge event and would be noted (like when Maedhros passed the kingship to his uncle). It never was mentioned anywhere. Second: House of Finarfin never comitted a Kinslaying and were related to Teleri (Finarfin's wife was Olwë's daughter i think) and of all Noldor they had really good relationship with Sindar (Galadriel and her brothers were welcome in Menegroth, Sons of Fëanor and those of Fingolfin were not). If Gil-galad was Orodreth's son, i don't think Oropher and Amdir would have too much issue being under his command. Third: House of Fingolfin were best warriors and bravest among all Noldor, Fingon being fameously valiant. So was Gil-galad. House of Finarfin was more famed for knowledge and wisdom rather than strength of arms. While it can be argued Gil-galad was very wise in his actions (and he was), even reading Annatar was not who he seemed to be, from what we know about him from Fellowship he is painted as supreme warrior before all else. That is my opinion at least. Sorry for long post.
Small correction in the intro. At 0:21 you say they clashed throughout the 3rd age. Note that the age leading up to the War of the last Alliance is the 2nd age. The 3rd age began after the war.
I love this I hope to see you really get into the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. Not a fan at all of Disney SW but there are so many great battles throughout the 100,000 years of the SW universe and 30 years worth of EU content to cover. Love this video and can’t wait for more LoTR.
So I feel like it would be an awesome idea to do Dragon Age. I know it's been out of the spotlight for a bit but it would make for an excellent group of videos (on perhaps the Blights???) for this new channel. As always guys, you're the best at what you do and this channel was utter brilliance. Best of wishes my friends and absolutely cannot wait for more videos!
The animation is absolutely incredible, when Isildur cut the ring I got goosebumps. Imagination can take you the rest of the way when so many great elements come together.
Thank you for bringing this type of content to life! Seeing such animations is a nice bonus for those who have only read the books, and certainly an important input for those who have only seen the movies, and know little on how previous events shaped the context in which the action in the movies takes place. I have been following Kings and Generals for a few years now, and I am sure this channel will become just as fascinating.
It seems to me that I can see about how hopelessly corrupted the Galactic Republic is in the future of this channel for sure. Why? Because if this channel is willing to cover what led to the War of the Last Alliance, the team of this channel can do the same about what led to the Separatists Crisis, and later, the Clones Wars.
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Wish for video about US Navy SEALs missions in a Six tv series soon
The first of what I hope are many good looks at the wizards and warriors of fantastical fiction.
What other topics do you think you'll be covering here?
I don't use any of those things but I'll certainly tell people. Good luck guys, great first video 💜
I'd really like to see some videos on the Witcher book series, I've never seen the TV show or played the video games, but the books were quite good, you could do some videos on the movements of everyone through out the series and also there are a few battles we know of. It would be cool to go through Sodden Hill and Brenna, as well as the skirmish where Geralt and co fight the nilfgardians at the bridge with Queen Meave's men.
A Song of Ice and fire would be pretty good as well, let's face it the series is 6 books with 3 prequel novellas and some supporting lore books. So we may as well see some of it wrapped up by you guys as well. And if the 7th book ever comes out, at least you'll have an audience for the videos you make about that too.
Just my thoughts. I hope that you cover some material I'm not familiar with as well because I enjoy your style and it might encourage me to read something new 😁
Nice first video.
I just hope that this channel will not be aboot mainstram franchise but include less know setting.
Awesome! Can’t wait for what you do next with this channel!
Here goes nothing! :-)
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@@mythiclore5508 Was that a TFS reference?
@@mythiclore5508 Team Four Star. Lemme link you to the reference I was thinking of:
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Good luck with your new channel! I absolutely love the name!
Please eventually do the Spellmonger series by Terry Mancour. Epic battles, deep lore, thouroughly thought out city designs. It would be amazing.
Fun fact: Sauron sent many orcs to block the Alliance in the mountain passes near Imladris, but these orcs were too scared after seeing the great host and fled. They stayed in the mountains however, becoming the ancestors of orcs of Moria and Gundabad
God i am in love with this channel. All like minded people gathered here.
Seeing everything on an animated map really helps to put things in context. Two minor bloopers: at this time Minas Tirith was still known as Minas Anor, Tower of the Sun, to pair with Minas Ithil, Tower of the Moon. It didn't become Minas Tirith, Tower of Guard, until thousands of years later when the Ringwraiths stormed Minas Ithil and made it Minas Morgul, Tower of Sorcery. Also Isildur spent a couple of years in Gondor training Meneldil, son of Anarion, to take up the throne of Gondor; only then did he set out for Arnor.
I recommend the book The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad, it helped me so much especially when I was reading the Silmarillion, read that one in like 8th grade but got confused got the Atlas book and read the book again my Jr year and made more sense.
Yeah but look at it this way it's trying to be accurate in battles and conquest, it's not trying to tell the whole story of why someone went to such and such. It's just given a basic understanding for most of us already know the story
A loremaster! Their sight is rare here writhing the fourth age
There were a number of minor mistakes in this video.
@Charles Larrivee : That is indeed spot on. You've read The Silmarillion a number of times too, eh?
It was a great plague centuries earlier that had ended the watch on Mordor itself, and Sauron later sent most of the ringwraiths to quietly prepare Mordor for his return. And since the tower of Cirith Ungol on the other side of the pass had long been abandoned, the Gondorians were caught off guard by the assault on Minas Ithil through that pass.
According to the books, Elendil and Gil-Galad wounded Sauron that serious that at the point where he managed to kill both, he was extremely weakened and almost beaten himself! Isildur actually didn’t defend himself with all he had but actively went after him and cut the ring of Sauron’s hand
Actually the books are pretty explicit that Elendil and Gil-Galad KILLED Sauron, and themselves died in the duel, not just wounded him. Isildur cut the ring from Sauron's hand as a trophy after he had already been struck down, and the two didn't actually fight.
@@itsfelbourne8254 Gil-galad was "destroyed" by the heat of Sauron's hand, so it's likely not as clear-cut as that. However the duel played out, Isildur did indeed cut it off Sauron's defeated physical form.
@@itsfelbourne8254 I recommend you to read again whatever you read... cause Sauron was „defeated“, his physical form, yet not killed! You can‘t kill him! In fact, he had the ring on his hand and while being massively weakened from the wound both high kings inflicted on him, he still managed to burn Gil-Galad into nothing with his bare hand and fell Elendil the Tall... doesn‘t sound KILLED at all!
It was just as Isildur took up Narsil, walked to the weakened Sauron and cut the Ring of his finger that his physical form was really defeated
@@michelmorio8026 Death has a very specific definition as it used by Tolkien. That is, separation of the fëa from the hröa, the soul from the body.
Sauron was killed, the destruction of his physical form WAS death. Just as Gandalf's death against Durin's Bane.
@@itsfelbourne8254 yeah, but he still wasn‘t „dead“ until Isildur finally separated him from the Ring... he was barely alive, yes, but not dead (yet)
6:09 when it was founded Minas Tirith was called Minas Anor. It was the “Tower of the Sun” while Minas Ithil was the “Tower of the Moon.” Minas Anor would be renamed to Minas Tirith “Tower of Guard” over two thousand years later (T.A. 2002) after the fall of its sister city to the Witch-King an its renaming as Minas Morgul “Tower of Black Sorcery”
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This channel was such an awesome idea. I love seeing these battles and stories told from this strategic/tactical/historical framework.
We have been talking about it for more than a year. Hopefully you guys will enjoy our videos!
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This guy gets it
@@WizardsandWarriors yeah this style is the best pure information, no fat. Its the coles notes or cliff notes if you're American.
It's good that they've decided to do this as it's own channel and not post the videos on the other channel.
A minor correction: during this period, Minas Tirith was called Minas Anor (meaning "Tower of the Sun"). The city only became Minas Tirith ("Tower of Guard") late in the Third Age, after the fall of Minas Ithil ("Tower of the Moon") to the Nazgul and their forces. The name change was because after the fall of Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith was now the main bulwark against the threat of Mordor.
Love the video folks!
Just posted the same comment. :D
YES!!!!! I’m so hyped.
Thank you, my friend! :-)
Lmao the wheel of time fanatic himself
Who isn't?
Wheel of time documentary incoming?
Will you do ASOIAF battles ? And battles of Westeros before the birth of Robert and Eddard ?
My gosh, Sauron may be a One-Man-Army, but he was no tactician
Imagine if he watched your short videos on medieval strategy, we would be talking orcish right now
His troops also suck. I mean they are just awful, but for some reason I liked the orcs. They make great villains. They show fear, I love that aspect of them, their human aspects in the movies.
I mean, did he have to be? If it wasn't for Frodo ultimately destroying the ring, he still would've steamrolled Middle Earth eventually regardless.
Well he was a pretty good diplomat, destroyed Numenorian kingdom from within. And later kicked their and elf asses on the continent. I think he believed he can win in a decisive battle, and he almost did.
@@aksmex2576 they suck at fighting but to survive a winter night for example, they are bad enough to cut open one of there brothers, and crawl inside of them to keep warm and survive, so they can go to lengths many couldn,t go to.
That is not how the conflict went down in the books... lots of mistakes in this video. All we know is that after a tough 7-year siege, where many relief armies had to be beaten back, Sauron challenged Elendil and Gil-Galad to "single" combat. Isildur was Elendil's second, Elrond Gil-Galad's. Sauron killed Elendil and Gil-Galad, but was finally overcome when Isildur cut his ring off.
I.e. the finale was something like an honour duel. Not a big sally. And it occurred on the slopes of Mount Doom, not in front of Barad Dur.
Both sides had good reason to accept this "duel" proposed by Sauron. The besiegers were dying in droves every month from disease and projectiles, whereas inside Barad Dur, the besieged were on their last legs after 7 years of total blockade. Elendil and Gil-Galad were going to starve out the defenders in the end, but at additional cost, which was already great. So they accepted Sauron's challenge.
Just a hint: Only the elves removed the rings upon hearing the treachery of Sauron. Keep it up! Amazing work and details😍
Well, the Elfish rings were also the only ones made without the direct involvement of Sauron at all, only following his teachings. That's why they not only managed to survive, but were allowed to travel into the West
not the only error, looks like the script writer is doing hasty work wich misinform the unknowing listener. i would like the channel to like your comment and not his own.
@@vladescu3g I'll be more blunt: this video is kind of a pig with some make up, the tactical representations don't add anything if I can''t trust the accuracy of the information.
What a life Elrond lived. Like seeing through both World Wars…
He saw much more because he was alive even in the end of the first age and survived the war of Morgoth. His twin brother was the first king of Numenor and so Elrond is literally the GREAT GREAT GREAT ×20-30 uncle of Aragorn
I mean Elves are like quite literally immortal so
Yeah the most awesome part is that there are real life people like him who have lived beyond expectations and seen wars as well.
Those, and the Roman Punic wars, plus Alexander's conquest of Persia XD
Elrond went through so much trauma- He was 6 when his home was sacked by the sons of Feanor and his mother forced to abandon him, 50 when both parents left for the undying lands. He had lost his brother in the second age to human age, the only king he had ever known was killed before his eyes by Sauron, and his wife captured and tortured before having to leave for Valinor for healing, and his kids putting their lives on the line for humans he knows can fail.
Amazing as always! Just one major lore fact: Isildur did not defeat Sauron. It was a triple duel between Elendil, Gil-Galad and Sauron, in which the 3 were slain. Isildur just cut the ring from an already defeated Sauron.
Actually, Sauron was not "slain" at that time. He defeated the high kings with his bare hands and after that he fell to the ground. Tolkien said Sauron left his physical body when Isildur cut his finger.... So Sauron was not dead then
@@_semih_ Sauron was defeated enough by Elendil and Gil-Galad that Isildur cuold just come in and cut the ring off from a Sauron that didn't offer resistance. The point was that Isildur didn't defeat Sauron, like it was portrayed in the movie.
@@Luinedhel being "defeated" and "killed" is not the same. It was my point
@@_semih_ It doesn't matter in the case of Sauron, as being an immortal spirit, he was never killed. Not even after the destruction of the ring. It's just a way of speaking.
Went looking for such comment the moment I got to that part of the video...such a shame they sticked to the movie version of it.
Ok one big correction, it wasn't the Valar that destroyed Numenor. It was Eru Illuvitar himself.
But otherwise great video and I'd love to see you cover the more obscure First Age stuff.
You are completely right. But an additional info maybe. It was ERU who destroy, but the valars "summoned" him. I guess that's the reason for the confusion. But yeah, you are right and the video is great. Congrats on the observation.
Imagine fucking up so bad that the creator himself fucks up your island
Yeah I was going to comment on this point myself, The Silmarillion says, and I might not be exactly quoting it here "That Manwe gave up his governance of Middle Earth and Eru sank Numenor below the waves" or something to that effect. Su I don't think summoned him is the proper way to look at it. I think Eru was watching the whole time and just waiting for Manwe to say "Ok Boss I give what should we do?" Otherwise it was an excellent video all the same and I can not wait for the rest of them.
Also the sinking of Numenor robbed Sauron of his ability to look beautiful
I just watched the video and i was thinking the same thing while watching then i was second guessing myself so happy that i scrolled through the comments and saw this im happy to know my first thought was correct
Small correction: it wasn't the Valar who destroyed Numenor, it was Eru himself. Manwe, leader of the Valar, appealed to the Creator to protect them, and he did. The act of Eru also destroyed Beleriand, removed Valinor from Arda and created the shape of Middle Earth as we know it from the movies and other popular media.
Great move creating this channel, however! Looking forward to your future videos!
Um, Beleriand was already destroyed before Numenor was created. That landmass was destroyed at the end of the First Age in the aftermath of the War of Wrath.
Eru didn’t destroy Beleriand iirc.
The Valar did that.
Did Eru destroy Beleriand? I know he did the other stuff but I thought the War of Wrath was just so intense it broke and sank beneath the seas, I hadnt head that Eru actively sank it
Not mentioned in the video and largely over looked by Middle earth historians is the affects of 3rd breakfast on the morale of troops. 2nd Breakfast was rare indeed but Sauron used it to his advantage after his Orc scouts, mistook the hobbits for men, saw considerable boost for the hobbits after their 3rd breakfast and plowing the farm fields. At first indifferent, yet later Sauron would experiment the method on his armies. Indeed the trial turned proving and as such Sauron implemented 3rd breakfast as part of military reform.
Why do I want to play as sauron in a middle earth total war? The idea of world conquest intrigues me. Same reason why I love the Romans, although they had the best troops irl.
A testament to the Tactical Genius of Sauron, whose ability to learn from his enemies rivalled that of Grand Admiral Thrawn.
LOL
Looks like meats back on the menu boys!!!
@@TheDentedHelmet Bruh Sauron literally just threw masses of orcs at the enemy and that was his "tactic" for pretty much his entire campaign. Sauron is no tactician.
Loved your kickoff but there were some light glitchers in your adaptation:
- Numenor was sank by the will of Iluvatar, not the Valar
- I think that the king of Lothlorien was Celeborn, spouse of Galadriel
-Baradur were not built at the slope of Mount Doom, but your depiction of the battlefield makes that idea
Anyway, looking forward for your next videos. It was a great start!
Thanks for the feedback!
I am quite sure that Amdir was the king of Lothlorien. Barad Dur wasn't on the slope, maybe we should have depicted it a bit clearer. Our bad on the sinking. It was Eru Iluvatar who sank the island "for breaking the ban of Valar". Basically Valar Manwe asked Iluvatar to sink Numenor. This was scuffed in editing.of the script and is my bad. Thanks for keeping us honest. :-)
Celeborn only got the title of lord of Lothlorien in the second half of the third Age
Celeborn was not king of Lorien. It was indeed Amdir, father of Amroth.
Amdir was the first King of Lothlorien. Amroth succeeded him after the War of the Last Alliance. For the fate of Amroth, I would recommend checking out the story of Nimrodel. Lothlorien was left kingless and nobody assumed the title of king afterwards. Celeborn and Galadriel took the titles of Lord and Lady of Lothlorien, but not king/queen.
It seems like Amdir and Galadriel were both at some point rulers of Lorinand/Lorien and also Celeborn is described as "King of East Lorien" in points. But as the Unfinished Tales say, the stories of Galadriel, Celeborn, Amdir and Amroth seem to have been revised several times and the time line seems muddled with some contradictions.
“Gil-Galad was an Elven King
Of him the harpers sadly sing
the last whose realm was fair and free
between the Mountains and the Sea…”
"His sword was long
his lance was keen
his shining helm afar was seen
The countless stars of heaven's field
were mirrored in his silver shield"
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"But long ago he rode away,
and where he dwelleth none can say;
for into darkness fell his star
in Mordor where the shadows are...."
@@davemm9980 :'(
This is exactly what the internet wants. Thanks to the Wizards and Warriors team!
Thanks for watching!
It's cool how the Dwarves just joined in with the Last Alliance of Elves and Men by just walking up and saying "We're going too"
They’re stubborn and, most time isolationist, but when there is a battle, and overall, it is necessary to fight Evil, they are always in.
Incredible job on the video! Loved it! 🔥🔥
If this is going by the books then, Sauron was defeated by the combined might of Gil-Galad and Elendil while they were slain by Sauron.
Isildur just cut of the ring from the hand of an already defeated Sauron.
Yes, I believe Elendil was slain but after he was able to wrestle Sauron down. When Sauron was down, Isildur saw his change to cut the One Ring off of Sauron's finger.
That's the impression I always got as well. Also, wasn't Cirdan peasant when Elrond was trying to convince Isildur to destroy the ring0?
@@fredjohnson9833 He was, and AFAIK they never went into Mt Doom either, pleading with Isildur on the slopes
@@iinkmud279 oh, right. I forgot about that
The account in the video seems to mix in details from both the books and the movies. Most of it is true to the books (minus the part about Elves, Men, and Dwarves being given their rings at around the same time) until the final battle during Siege of Barad-Dur portion. I'm pretty sure they added that in from the films to spice it up a bit. I don't think the battle or the fight between Isildur and Sauron is in the books.
Honestly, the Silmarillion is just a pure treasure trove of content possibilities.
Only if done in a respectful manner.
@@aleksander8497 Of which I can count on Kings and Generals doing EXACTLY that.
I completely agree with you.
@@JCody-pt3th Kings and Generals yes, Amazon not so much
@@AeneasGemini Agreed, and to be honest I’m not sure who could do it any theatrical justice. More of a hope and a dream really. K&G, and Simon are carrying the torch with honor for now. Cheers to them.
That's what I've been looking for! I really like the style, good luck! :)
Thank you! :-)
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Um since you guys will also do Space battles does that mean Warhammer 40k will join in your lists?
@@captainvalourous6668 that would be awsome ^^
Love it.
Thank you!
This channel is something special. Something I've been looking for on UA-cam for years. Yeah there are tons of "fantasy lore" channels but all of which I've seen (and I've seen a crap ton) just...idk I can't explain it properly but this channel is amazing. It's factual, straight to the point while leaving nothing out and genuinely feels like I'm watching a documentary or sitting in on a history lecture(to most that probably sounds horrible I love history and fantasy just as much). Thank you!
It's done by good people.
One very important correction though: the rings being given to Dwarves and Men was Sauron's back-up plan. The sixteen original Rings of Power were meant for Elf-Lords, who porved able to resist Sauron's trickery and hid the Rings. The Three Elven Rings were crafted outside of Sauron's plan.
Isildur only cut the ring from Sauron's cooling corpse too. Elendil killed him.
Not the biggest mistake. Biggest mistake was saying the Valar destroyed numenor. They didn’t. It was the one time that Eru intervened directly in ME. The Valar were essentially bewildered by the behavior of the numenoreans at this point and God Himself came out of the heavens to strike down the children.
Correct on the elven rings. It's clearly canon.
@@BernddasBrotB7 Yes, sir. Too many errors or assumptions in this video.
Heyyy! Amazing video, but slight correction: Elendil and Gil-galad actually were successful in their duel against Sauron, and they managed to vanquish him (it’s possible that his body may not have died straight away). Either way, Elendil and Gil-galad defeated him and died in the process, Isildur then cut the Ring from Sauron’s body.
Sorry for their long answer, I’m a massive fan of LOTR mythology. Love the new channel, hope you cover the Wheel of Time!
Its likely the vice versa. Sauron defeated them and the entire army of the Last Alliance singlehandedly! He literally *destroyed* Gil-Galad and slayed Elendil brutally. In the book, Sauron broke the siege of Barad-dur and pushed the Army of the Last Alliance 30 miles back (48 kilometers) to the slopes of Mount Doom. And literally destroyed almost everyone except 3 person, Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond were the only survivors from the Last Alliance. Sauron, despite his weakened state, did all of this lol.
"Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster and *diminished* (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). *He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation,* and for gaining control over his former subjects. *He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established.”*
[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 211 to Rhona Beare)]
"Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodruin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom. *But Sauron struck too soon, before his own power was rebuilt,* whereas the power of Gil-galad had increased in his absence."
[Appendix A. (I) The Numenorean kings (i) Númenor, Return of the King]
This! A great video, but this mistake was pretty bad... I know thats what in the movies, but the source material states that Isildur cut the One Ring using the broken Narsil after Sauron has been defeated.
@@_semih_ Wrong. If there were only 3 survivours left in the battle where Gil-galad and Elendil defeated Sauron, then the disaster of the Gladden fields makes no sense at all. After the defeat of Sauron, Isildur spent a few years in Gondor, teaching Meneldil (Anarion's son) on how to rule Gondor, while he himself took the title of high king of Arnor and Gondor, before intending to return to Rivendell where his youngest son and wife awaited him. It's also worth noting, that the three remaining sons of Isildur were all present during the war of the last alliance and they were killed by orcs in the disaster of the gladden fields.
@@gregormeglic2389 nope. Isildur had only 200 men in his company, it's not even an army. That guards must be from the remaining forces/garrison in Osgiliath and Minas Anor (Minas Tirith later). Tolkien stated only very few characters of great strength can and could endure the eye of Sauron and his dreadful presence. Remember that Sauron's mere presence made Luthien, (the most powerful elf and half maia) to faint by just a glance and he made Orodreth and the Noldor warrior elves that were seen the light of the trees to flee in despair and dread.
As I said according to the story, Sauron broke the siege and crushed the besiegers after that he drove the Last Alliance back from Barad-dur's front side to the slopes of Mt Doom. It's really hard to believe there were other survivors other than Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur.
@@_semih_ Cool fanfiction, where can I read it? Isildur had 200 _veterans_ because the rest had returned to Arnor by foot.
"There he assumed the Elendilmir as King of Arnor, and proclaimed his sovereign lordship over all the Dúnedain in the North and in the South; for he was a man of great pride and vigour. He remained for a year in Gondor, restoring its order and defining its bounds; *but the greater part of the army of Arnor returned to Eriador by the Númenórean road from the Fords of Isen to Fornost."*
"With Isildur went his three sons, Elendur, Aratan, and Ciryon, and his Guard of two hundred knights and soldiers, *stern men of Arnor and war-hardened."*
It's incredible how you summarised in less than 20 minutes the second age, I thought that impossible. Such a great job, clear and entertaining to watch. Loooking forward for the next one
Thank you! We were trying to get out of the 2nd age as soon as possible :-)
I thought Elendil and Gil-Galad in their deaths defeated Sauron. Yes, they died during ther combat but in the fight they managed to over throw Sauron. To say that Elendil was no match for a Sauron is in my opinion unfair to the High King as he was probably the mightiest Numenorean at this time and an exceptional swordsman. Wielding Narsil in his hands he was unmatched at the battlefield. And he was tall af, 241cm to be exact. For the orcs he must have been like a giant. Great work anyways, but I dont know if you are sticking only to the books or are you combining books and movies cuz few parts were also wrong, like cutting the Ring of by the Isildur.
I read the story the same way. I think the host inferred more than was written.
@@DRKrust492 more like taking infromations from the movies
And Sauron never wield a mace, is implied that he kill Gil-galad and mortaly wound Elendil with his bare hands " which was black and yet burned like fire", but hinself being overrun and "mortaly" wounded, which gave Isildur the opportunity to cut his finger off.
No it was actually Isildur that cut off the ring from sauron's hand
@@majestic8054 He cut the ring from saurons corpse after the High Kings killed him and died themselves.
I loved your guys’s documentaries on Julius Caesar and I’m a huge fan of fantasy so you could imagine my excitement for this channel. I am happy to say that I am not disappointed. Awesome work guys!
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
Beautiful start! I really love the artwork. I only want to point out one thing. I think it is implied that Gil-Galad and Elendil were slain while also managing to slay Sauron. It is after this, that Isildur goes to the fallen body of Sauron and cuts the ring from his hand. Otherwise, the video is excellent! :)
That is what we said, no?
@@WizardsandWarriors The video implies that Sauron first killed Gil-Galad and then Elendil, with Isildur being the last to fight him and kill him, but Tolkien implies that Gil-Galad and Elendil fought Sauron together and managed to defeat him while also suffering mortal wounds themselves. It was after Sauron was defeated that Isildur went to his body and cut the ring, taking it for himself. There are 3-4 vague descriptions of this fight, but all of them seem to point out more or less the same thing. Not to diminish Isildur's character or anything he has done many great things hehe. Sorry for the rant though, I really enjoyed the video!
I want to say Gil-Galad was burned by Sauron's body in close combat while Elendil dealt the fatal blow but was crushed by Sauron in the fall.
@@WizardsandWarriors elendil and Gilgalad defeated Sauron, and isildur cut the ring from the finger.
Also, I don't think Sauron is described as having a mace, this video seems to just take a bunch of stuff from the film's tbh
@@WizardsandWarriors Sauron in the books also wasn't described as wearing armor and wielding a mace. "There he took up again his great Ring in Barad-dur, and dwelt there, dark and silent, until he wrought himself a new guise, an image of malice and hatred made visible; and the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure.” - The Silmarillion.
"There in the valley of Gorgoroth Anárion son of Elendil was slain, and many others. But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own."
Notice how Elendil and Gil Galad, throw down sauron as their dying actions, and then Isildur cuts the Ring from Sauron's hand. This is also reinforced by Elrond's account of the scenario.
"I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own."
Also note in the official timeline of the second age in Appendix B says the following about the end of the War of the Last Alliance ''3441 Sauron overthrown by Elendil and Gil-galad, who perish. Isildur takes the One Ring. Sauron passes away and the Ringwraiths go into the shadows. The Second Age ends.''
You could have gone into more detail about the War of the Elves regarding the fall of Ost-in-Edhil and the significance of the intervention of the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm led by Durin III.
Otherwise great video, looking forward for more LOTR lore!
Thanks for the suggestion
There's a lot of Tolkien material: the first wars, the War of Wrath, the fall of Morgoth, the sieges of the elven cities, the Dwarf-Orc wars, the war of the Ring, the battle of Five Armies, the fall of Arnor and Angmar, the Easterling-Gondor wars, etc
The forging of the rings and the war of the elves is sufficient for a video of its own. I think they did a good job of summarizing it for prologue purposes.
There's a small LotR youtube channel who has covered the war of the elves and sauron and many other battles in Tolkien's Legendarium in this style. He was inspired by the Bazbattles channel and is very faithful to the LotR books as well. ua-cam.com/video/LDQBFX2QA2k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LoreoftheRings I highly suggest checking him out if you're interested.
@@NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS I’m already subscribed to them, but thanks for the advice anyway!
I need a chronological breakdown of the battles in the Wheel of Time from the Siege of Cairhein to Dumai's Wells to the Siege of Emond's Field, and I think that Daniel Green agrees.
a breakdown of what we know of the war of the age of legends would also be cool
So glad to see you guys exploring fantasy more, especially the Lord of the Rings!
One error I noticed while watching this is that Isildur actually never battled or defeated Sauron in the books, it's only the films that showed it that way. Gil-Galad and Elendil battled Sauron together and successfully defeated him, but tragically died in the process themselves. Elendil's sword Narsil broke underneath him, and Isildur simply picked up his father's broken sword, walked over to Sauron's defeated physical form and separated his finger with the One Ring attached.
In the books I don’t think Sauron is depicted using a giant mace to kill his enemies. That is an invention of the movies. As in there’s no mention what weapon he used or if he used a weapon at all.
Gil-galad and Elendil actually heavily damaged Sauron before they died. Isildur just finished the job and chopped off the ring.
The mace and armor in the films is an assumption based on Morgoth his master-I think that makes sense given the Witch King's mace and Sauron's claiming of Morgoth's title and inheritence. that being said, in the books I believe he kills Gil-Galad with the heat of his body as they fought and kills Elendil by his dying fall.
@@Tareltonlives Yes and Isildur only cut of the ring from the hand of the already dead body of Sauron. Which is the reason that it took thousands of years for Sauron to regain his strength enough to rebuild his body.
@@DanischDutchDad I do prefer the film version, but that's not what Tolkien wrote.
@@Tareltonlives Indeed, the solid black full plate armor and heavy mace seems to be the standard armor/weapon of Tolkien's dark lords.
The book says nothing about "Gil-Galad and Elendil heavily damaged Sauron" or something like that. All we know is they got defeated by Sauron in 2v1 combat and Gil-Galad's body completely destroyed by Sauron's heat and Elendil was slain too.
I read the middle earth novels few years ago in high school, and they were great. the deep extended lore in the appendix section of the last book in the trilogy, albeit quite difficult to grasp, is very well written.
I'm glad this channel is here now to provide us with more fantasy stuffs, and for starters, the Middle Earth lore.
I hope all the best for you peeps, and I hope you don't get burned out managing these multiple great channels :) :)
PlasmaDrone, you read the appendix? Good job!
This is more awesome and better done than even I expected.
And speaking of future videos, I already mentioned this on Discord, but you should make some about the battles of Conan the Cimmerian. It would be nice to see one about the events of "Black Colossus", which is a mythic one, being the story of the first time Conan was put on charge of leading an army. Or "Conan the Liberator", in which the whole war that lead to him becoming king of Aquilonia is narrated. A fact that the classic 80's movies mentioned a lot, but never delivered on explaining or telling about.
An historical grievance that you could fix. "How Conan the Barbarian Became King".
Isidur didn't imidiatly set for Arnor
He spent some time in Minas Anor (thirith)
He planted the white tree seed,instructed Melendil his nephew about rulership and even had time to write the scroll Saruman and Gandalf would later find
Wasn't he headed for Rivendell when he and his company we destroyed?
@@JevansUK Yes, but that was a few years later
It's a crying shame that people like this aren't the ones making the movies and shows about the things we love. Keep up the great work.
I mean, I’d rather the people who made the movies make the movies. This video barely follows the books and/or the movies.
Great, but three mistakes. 1. Minas Tirith was "Minas Anor" until the 26th Century of the 3rd Age. 2. The Valar did not sink Numenor. They laid down their authority, and Eru Iluvater himself rounded the earth and sunk Numenor. 3. The Black Gate was not built by Sauron when Barad-Dur was built. The Black Gate was built by Gondor after the War of the Last Alliance to help fence Moroor in. After the Battle of Dagorlad, the armies of the Last Alliance marched in to Mordor and besieged Barad-Dur. Had the Black Gate been there at the time, Mordor could have held it LONG against the Armies og GIl-Galad and Elendil.
Thank you! Everyone seems to forget Gondor controlled Mordor after the War of the Last Alliance and built many fortresses in Mordor to keep watch over it, including the Towers of the Teeth (Narchost and Carchost), Durthang, and Cirith Ungol. The Black gate being constructed out of the same strong, Black stone of Numenor found at the Outer walls of Minas Tirith, and Isengard.
No, Sauron did build the Morannon. The Silmarillion's coverage of the War of the Last Alliance mentions that the Battle of the Dagorlad happens in front of it. It's unclear how, but the Alliance managed to break through after defeating the Orcs. Perhaps they simply chased the fleeing Orcs as they went through the gate?
@@TheDarthbinky You nay want to read The Silmarillion again. The Morannon/Black Gate are not mentioned or referenced. The only line is in the earlier part of Akallabeth in which it says Sauron "... fortified Mordor." The Return of the King, Unfinished Tales, and Appendices all reference Gondor building all the passes and entryways into Mordor after 3441 SA.
@@ModelTrainOutsider The Towers of the Teeth were built by the Gondorians, the Black Gate was built by Sauron.
“Upon them stood the Teeth of Mordor, two towers strong and tall. In days long past they were built by the Men of Gondor in their pride and power, after the overthrow of Sauron and his flight, lest he should seek to return to his old realm.”
“Across the mouth of the pass, from cliff to cliff, the Dark Lord had built a rampart of stone. In it there was a single gate of iron, and upon its battlement sentinels paced unceasingly.”
"From Imladris they crossed the Misty Mountains by many passes and marched down the River Anduin, and so came at last upon the host of Sauron on Dagorlad, the Battle Plain, which lies before the gate of the Black Land."
I love how this is done with the same Seriousness that you do in the historical documentaries.
Like all of these are just facts. Its perfect
I'm loving this new series. Fantasy wars deserve just as much 'documentary' coverage as real ones, if there is sufficient detail, and this feels like a good start to a great endeavour
For something so well produced and high quality it has an astonishing amount of inaccuracies in it.
I love how he tell the story of Sauron, Elendil, Gil-Galad and the entire Siege of Barad Dur as if it is part of the history
And tells it wrong....
Correction: Isildur did not loose the ring and his sons on the return journey it is only shown like this in the movies...he actually lived quite some time after the war of the last alliance. and he was going to rivendell with his sons to meet his wife that's when he lost it after an ambush by dark forces.
The movies never imply that it was on his return journey, I think that's just something you mistakenly inferred.
Yeah, I was thinking of that too, as he had the diary about his experiences with the ring that Gandalf researched.
Isildur was returning to Arnor when he was ambushed and killed. It's true that he didn't make that final journey until a few years after the defeat of Sauron, but he was returning to take up his father's throne as High King of Arnor.
@@Wolfeson28 yes he stayed in Gondor after the war until his nephew Meneldil was old enough rule by himself
Wheres Rohan?
This is an excellent series idea!! The Lore of Tolkien’s Arda is unmatched.
The Chronicles of the Black Company by Glen Cook. The battles in these stories have always been my favorite. I'm actually reading through them again, I just finished the Silver Spike.
Just started those again myself, great suggestion!.
I love that you are doing my favorite universe, Middle Earth! I am a huge Tolkien nerd, love the lore, so I wanted to point out a discrepancy in your video.
In the books we see this passage spoken by Elrond:
“I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.”
Great video! Interesting to note that there seems to be a mix of details from both the books and the LotR films, as certain portions like the final battle before Sauron's emergence from Barad-Dur and Isildur's wild sword-swings at Sauron are movie-only details. They happened a bit differently in the book version, though adding in some movie scenes definitely makes it a bit more dramatic.
Neither was the part in which Elrond takes Isildur into mount Doom. That's also movie only. In the books Isildur never has any intentions of destroying the ring.
Two mistakes here: You omitted that the two years of preparation took place in Rivendell after having beaten back a siege there; and the first pitched battle was not Dagorlad but the Eaves of Fangorn where hordes from Mordor attacked the entwives. Otherwise, superbly done.
This was profoundly amazing. Loved the details of the battles, the battlefields, the events of the age that lead up to the great battle and the people involved.
I'm a massive scifi and fantasy fan. I know that research has to be done to develop such large content and l appreciate what you've done. If you do ever cover any of the "Space Operas" that we all have grown up with...I would hope to see a cover of either the revamped Battlestar Galactica (from the 2000's) or the Epic grandaddy of Scifi novels D.U.N.E.
Best of luck and success with this channel-
Love the idea of having a new channel for sci fir and fantasy.... Hope the channel picks up soon
Thank you, same here!
This is insanely AWESOME!
15:52 Sauron was not regained his power. Tolkien said he was still too weak and he needed more time to bodily rehabilitation after the downfall of Numenor:
"Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster and *diminished* (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). *He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation,* and for gaining control over his former subjects. *He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established.”*
[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 211 to Rhona Beare)]
"Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodruin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom. *But Sauron struck too soon, before his own power was rebuilt,* whereas the power of Gil-galad had increased in his absence."
[Appendix A. (I) The Numenorean kings (i) Númenor, Return of the King]
I see more mistakes that these already mentioned by others, for instance that Sauron was taken hostage near Umbar and Ar-Pharazon never reached Barad Dur with his army.
Another example is that they got final moments of siege of Barad Dur COMPLETELY wrong. They brought movie version instead of book original.
It's nice that they want to do fantasy, but due to many lore errors, this video was a false start in my opinion.
Also, I would suggest to remove shading from the corners. It makes video feel claustrophobic where Middle-Earth should employ epic large spaces.
Besides that, majority of graphics are very nice. Always good to have a new depiction of my favourite universe.
Can't wait for the Battle of Pelennor Fields.
The script is ready, but it will take some time for us to get there :-)
Can't wait. Will guys do anything from The Silmarillion?
@@eriklambert7272 Morgoth vs Fingolfin fight when?
@@gavinsmith9871 Nirnaeth Arnoediad when?
Congrats for your first video. Sauron had just come forth and wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil. He killed both and he himself was nearly destroyed during the fight. You seem like accepting the fiction that was created in the first movie, Sauron headlong charges into the columns of the alliance and decimates them.
I'm 6'2 210 pounds.... ex linebacker. Decently tough, fella. I screamed like a fan boy when I saw this! Lmao, this is amazing. Thank you, fellas!
I wish these were podcasts on Spotify!
Really great guys, so happy for this channel. Though the video started with such great detail, its sad that you completely left out and skipped that it was Gil-Galad and Elindel who actually defeated Sauron, though they died in the attempt. They mortally wounded him and Narsil was broken under the weight of Elendil's body as he fell from Sauron's mortal strike. However, at this point, Sauron collasped, completely defeated by the wounds the two kings had inflicted to his mortal body. Isildur only cut the Ring from Sauron's dead mortal form as a prize of war since Arnor had lost its High King, and Gondor one of its dual kings.........just would have been nice to see credit where it was due to the champions who actually killed Sauron's mortal form. The Ring being "cut from his hand" was not his defeat at all.....it was just an adaptation for the movie scene completely different from the books.
If you're going all in on detailing fictional battles & universes, then I can make a recommendation.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a Book/OVA series that details the exploits of the two primary human factions in the Universe, the Democratic Free Planets Alliance, & the Authortarian Galactic Empire, and their struggle for galatic dominance.
The main story as a whole takes place over the course of 8 years, where the War had been fought for 150 years prior. Countless battles, in space or on the ground, are shown in incredible detail. With the exploits of the respective Admirals on full display.
Its a fantastic read/watch, and it would be nice to see those events further detailed in your style.
Sauron's alias' name, Annatar, has a part of an actual Finnish word, "Anna", which means "to give", hence, Giver of Gifts.
Also, 14:16 brings me so much to the openings of Fellowship of the Ring film, I always thought it was some, random, directorial decision to have them loose arrows and do battle, before Sauron came along, but this gives so much insight to the whole situation, like the loss of Anarion and the consequent breakoff of the Siege.
I guess Sauron is Santa then
@@calebemotta8107 good one! 😆 "Giver of gifts" indeed!
7 year siege. This man is not patient. Considering he is immortal, and has lived thousands of years. He could have camped for decades.
@@aksmex2576 Not a man, a Maia. And because of that, perhaps, superiority complex got the best of him to finish it up with his mace and the Ring. What could have gone wrong? .... xD
@@Erokuson64 Well you know what I mean. But yes, arrogance has caused a lot of defeats in real life.
Wizards and Warriors channel. What a time to be alive.
The narration, images, and battle maps... sublime.
Have waited for somebody to do this up for a channel idea.
We hope that we will make everything you have dreamt of!
there are plenty of Tolkien channels out there.
@@vaahtobileet Im talking the channel in general. Obviously I know there is Tolkien channels about.
@@RoboticDragon Then I truly don't understand the English language still.
Awesome!
Little correction : The only ring wearers who removed the rings following Sauron creation of the one ring where the elves. In the video you correctly say that the 9 men became nazguls while the 7 dwarves just resisted, for example.
I hope you'll also consider covering the amazing battles and times when he who was Melkor, who became Morgoth Bauglir, walked middle earth♥️
I love the style of this! Treating these battles like 'real history' made me see them in a whole new light!
I'm really excited for you guys to cover the battle at the Black Gate in the War of the Ring. The Jackson films (despite their amazing virtues) really dropped the ball on that fight, making Aragorn look like an incompetent commander.
In the books, while they know it's a trap, there is a clear command structure, use of terrain and tactics, and not just a mad dash toward the enemy.
What has always stuck with me about Tolkien is the lore being clearly influenced by his real life experiences as a soldier in WW1. Especially the imagery invoked by places like the Dead Marshes.
Good point!
Elrond never took Isildur to mount doom in the books. Plus neither he nor Cirdan knew the full extent of the One Ring's properties. Also Gil Galad and Elendil were definitely a match for Sauron, as they knocked him down which then allowed Isildur to cut off the ring from him
They didn’t just knock him down they either crippled him and or straight up killed him then Isildur came over and cut the ring.
Yeah they, at minimum, fked Sauron up so much he couldnt move and the wounds were 'mortal'. So they broke tf out of his body and the ring was probably the only thing tying him to it, Isildur didnt even administer a coup de grace he just took the ring from a 99% dead body and it broke apart@@crabberdabberye
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Thank you, good sir!
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
I am so hyped for this channel and series!!
Thank you, we are hyped too
Bro I love it already.......... Classic kings and general mixed with my most favorite series of all times!!!
If this alliance fails, I will win and there will never be another alliance.
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Be gone, servant of Morgoth
All the times Sauron has been captured/defeated makes him seem far more human than depicted in the movies and the books.
technically the first time, he was defeated by god-level creatures, the second time was debatably his own scheme to get to numenor, the third time by a zillion-to-one stroke of luck, and the last time by lembas-fueled midgets
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Nah second time Numenor legit kicked his ass, third time yeah he wanted to be captured because he knew he couldn't win on the field
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Third time it wasn't a stroke of luck. Elendil and Gil Galad crippled him in a duel and Isildur landed the final blow by cutting the ring from Sauron's broken physical form.
Well hes of the same race as gandalf so hes powerful but there are great men and elves who can equal them
I love the concept, thank you so much for doing this!
Wow I was completely blown away with the quality of this video. It’s great that much of the imagery is left to the minds eye of the viewer/listener. This was excellent aside from some very minor details that didn’t effect the overall narrative.
It's a good thing that a second channel was made so as not to mix it with real battles. Absolutely loved this documentary
Gil-Galad and Elendil were the ones who defeated Sauron before dying. Isildur was just fighting close by and saw the whole thing.
1.Gil-Galad and Elendil were defeated by Sauron. Sauron slayed both of them brutally with his bare hands. After that he fell down to the ground.
2.Sauron was not dead when Isildur cut his finger off. The books says Sauron's soul left his physical body after he lost his fingerand the one ring.
Only in the movies does Elrond take Isildur to Mount Doom. He does council Isildur to destroy it on the plains.
I’m so happy one of my favourite UA-cam channel is covering my favourite fantasy franchise. Amazing!
Amazing. Just spectacular. Magnificent. My favorite-ever UA-cam channel covering content from my favorite-ever franchise? YES PLEASE.
As cool as the animations and, in general, the visualisation is, the video is unfortunatly very innacurate regarding the fall of Sauron. Both Gil-Galad, being the last high king of the Noldor, the son of Orodreth of Nargothrond or Fingon (it is very disputed who he is descended from), and Elendil duelled Sauron and eventually slew him, costing both the life of Gil-Galad and Elendil in the process. It was only after the battle was concluded in favour of the last alliance, that Isildur cut the ring off Saurons corpse, claiming it for himself. Depicted here is the movie version which holds many inaccuracies throughout the trilogy, another example being the battle of the pellenor fields, where instead of the grey company and manier man from gondor's coastal cities, the movie shows the army of the mountain men, whose ghosts dwelled in the paths of the dead defeating the host of mordor and harad.
So please use the book as adaptation for the videos and not the movies, the movies are inaccurate and do not portray the vision of the author.
Early versions have Gil-Galad as son of Orodreth, but the Silmarillion has him as son of Fingon. I think it adds to his gravitas to be the son of Fingon
movies are pretty accurate and are in sync with themselves.
@@barkley8285 But its not about the movies, you see, the movies are a mere interpretation of tolkiens works, its just not accurate to the few things that tolkien actually wrote about the second age, some characters, in this case gil-galad, are being actively downgraded by this representation of the war of the last alliance.
So no, the movies may be in sync with themselves, but most of the events portrayed here are taken from the books - the appendices and the book of unfinished tales, to just name a few, so its not about the movies at all, they just chose to apply an interpretation from a random person to tolkiens writings, which makes zero sense, they couldve just portrayed the events accurately.
@@talmorean6573 Yes, that is true, however i take the silmarillion always with a grain of salt, though i have to agree that it adds a certain prestige to gil-galad being the son of fingon, which makes the changes in this video, the movie version, even more infuriating, he seemingly died for nothing, just for sauron to be defeated by isildur with a single stroke. It would be the last stand of the house of fingolfin, to kill sauron, a worthy end to the line in middle earth, and a worthy end to somebody like gil-galad.
First of all: great comment.
Second: i think Fingon is the father of Gil-galad for several reasons. First: Passing the High Kingship from House of Fingolfin to House of Finarfin would have been a huge event and would be noted (like when Maedhros passed the kingship to his uncle). It never was mentioned anywhere. Second: House of Finarfin never comitted a Kinslaying and were related to Teleri (Finarfin's wife was Olwë's daughter i think) and of all Noldor they had really good relationship with Sindar (Galadriel and her brothers were welcome in Menegroth, Sons of Fëanor and those of Fingolfin were not). If Gil-galad was Orodreth's son, i don't think Oropher and Amdir would have too much issue being under his command. Third: House of Fingolfin were best warriors and bravest among all Noldor, Fingon being fameously valiant. So was Gil-galad. House of Finarfin was more famed for knowledge and wisdom rather than strength of arms. While it can be argued Gil-galad was very wise in his actions (and he was), even reading Annatar was not who he seemed to be, from what we know about him from Fellowship he is painted as supreme warrior before all else. That is my opinion at least. Sorry for long post.
Small correction in the intro. At 0:21 you say they clashed throughout the 3rd age. Note that the age leading up to the War of the last Alliance is the 2nd age. The 3rd age began after the war.
I love this I hope to see you really get into the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. Not a fan at all of Disney SW but there are so many great battles throughout the 100,000 years of the SW universe and 30 years worth of EU content to cover. Love this video and can’t wait for more LoTR.
Yes! There's tons of great wars, both on planetary and on a galactic scale, that would be great to see covered.
What an amazing collab!!!!! And how good of a storyteller and world builder was Tolkien?! Truly a Master!
His influence can't be denied!
It makes me very happy for you to take your historical narrative style and apply it to things that mean more to my heart, not my head. Thank you.
So I feel like it would be an awesome idea to do Dragon Age. I know it's been out of the spotlight for a bit but it would make for an excellent group of videos (on perhaps the Blights???) for this new channel. As always guys, you're the best at what you do and this channel was utter brilliance. Best of wishes my friends and absolutely cannot wait for more videos!
Isildur cut the ring off Sauron's corpse, after Gil-galad and Elendil defeated him.
The animation is absolutely incredible, when Isildur cut the ring I got goosebumps. Imagination can take you the rest of the way when so many great elements come together.
I think a video explaining the world of the Lord of the rings is a must so we can have a better understanding of what is happening
Thank you for bringing this type of content to life! Seeing such animations is a nice bonus for those who have only read the books, and certainly an important input for those who have only seen the movies, and know little on how previous events shaped the context in which the action in the movies takes place.
I have been following Kings and Generals for a few years now, and I am sure this channel will become just as fascinating.
This was the best clear and concise explanation of the LotR history. Thank you!
Great concept. This particular episode was extremely well done.
Looking forward to future episodes.
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It seems to me that I can see about how hopelessly corrupted the Galactic Republic is in the future of this channel for sure. Why? Because if this channel is willing to cover what led to the War of the Last Alliance, the team of this channel can do the same about what led to the Separatists Crisis, and later, the Clones Wars.
as soon as i saw the channel name i knew it was alternative kings and generals :) great video!!
i can't tell you how much i've wanted this kind of content, and the fact that its you guys doing it is just *chefs kiss*