The saddest thing about how Touya's life went was that he didn't *actually* want to be the number one hero, surpass All Might, or be a hero at all. He wanted his father's love and approval more than anything in the world. He *knew* that his father wanted a child so that it could surpass All Might, not because Endeavor actually wanted or loved him, which would obviously already completely ruin the mind of any child, even without abuse or neglect going on. So Endeavor training with him, praising him and his abilities *was* love to Touya, and when Endeavor stopped training with him and told him not to use his quirk, any semblance of love Touya felt was ripped from him. And having more children to make Touya realize Endeavor doesn't think of him as a viable successor anymore when Touya *knows* why he had him wasn't just digging the knife in deeper, it was practically ending Touya's life. Instead of showing him love and spending time with him, Endeavor drove Touya deeper and deeper into the pit of despair he made his child enter in the first place.
The fact that Shoto felt the need to physically protect his mom at such an early age is heartbreaking. And yeah, I like that you picked up on how Touya’s thoughts on mom and Fuyumi were likely taken from Endeavor. Honestly, bravo to Montana for all of her takes here. She really has the habit of hitting the nail on the head with the Todoroki family.
What I think most people tend to forget is that Toya's quirk is not only dangerous to himself but also to everyone near him. Whole Sekoto Peak was in flames in seconds. Imagine if that happened at home or in school or somewhere similar. It's also emotion based, meaning that he can't just "not use it" as it responds to his emotions. He should've been taught how to lower the heat and control his quirk
Deku indirectly saved the Todoroki family by saving Shoto himself. Deku's actions influenced Shoto and now Shoto is the hero for his own family... And disturbingly enough, Enji somehow manages to be both abusive and absent/neglective all at once. That's honestly an impressive level of f*cked up of abuse I've ever seen
From what I've seen, a lot of abusive parents are like this. They're so disgusted with their own lives that they take the anger out on their children, but they also ignore their children whenever they're not in a bad mood. Essentially, their kids become an emotional punching bag and nothing else. Some people just shouldn't be parents :/
I really admire how this show keeps reminding us just how awful Endeavor used to be. Many stories just sweep the cruel acts under the rug later on in order to make a morally questionable character likable, but this way it's more realistic and nuanced. It's honestly kinda funny how many reactors who were totally cool with Endeavor again reconsidered their opinion of him afterwards, even though he has changed for the better.
That's one thing I actually really like about Enji's character. He feels super realistic. As a nuanced portrayal of a horrible person who feels regret he's pretty great. As a character with an arc about atoning and changing I still think he's kind of sloppy, but there's definitely stuff to like about him. And true, I've always thought it to be kind of weird when reactors do that ngl. I understand why, but still.
His past shouldn't matter because we've already been shown exactly why he's different but what I don't get is how people see this then think the mom is fine but endeavor is bad when the mom was to blame for most of what went wrong aswell
First of all endeavor is a hero as a job, not only that but number 2. He probably works hard and overtime, saving lives btw. So while his fundamental actions did drive the family apart the mother is more to blame in that she was unable to properly lock down her child. So I believe the fault for the adults is more like 55% endeavor 45% mother. the children did have some small part of responsibility but its so negligible because they were children that it doesn't matter. Yet it's telling how great they are as kids to hold themselves to the standard that they never even attempted to better the situation.
Well Enji is undeniable the root of the problems and drama of the Todoroki family I appreciate that the rest of the Family is willing to acknowledge that they're not totally blameless in this whole situation either they all could've done things differently they all could've done better well except Shoto of course he did nothing wrong and is the True Hero of the Family.
Something I always think to bring up is the title. This was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse. And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
Alright, that makes sense, though I still think placing the title "The Hellish Todoroki Family Part II" before this still feels weird, given how half of that episode was about Hawks.
I think touya was the one putting oil on himself over and over, endeavour avoided him because he can only show him the world of heroes that he cannot achieve so getting out of his life was endeavours way of making sure his oldest doesn't burn himself to death
@@munkhgalamarmend8809 It’s more like, Endeavor avoiding him was what poured the oil on. Metaphorically, he continued to fuel the fire unintentionally.
Yes endeavor is the one who made Touya go crazy and become Dabi. But Dabi was the one who chose to kill people who had nothing to do with his family drama.
Younger. Endeavor wanted more children only after it and Natsuo was born when Toya was 5. He would've been 4 when Rei got pregnant with Natsuo and likely 3-4 when his hair started to change
As someone who grew up in a strained household, I recognize I’m not to blame for the circumstances, but there are definitely things I did that really didn’t help situations or people. It’s a strange feeling.
This is a 3 parter between Endeavor’s perspective, the family’s perspective, and some extra plot points. This is the family’s perspective. Now I can’t deny that this whole situation gets sadder and scarier every step of the way. And even despite all of this, his family stands there with their own guilts some justified, some not. I gave the very specific way of showing Endeavor’s thought process the way I did because they CAN all stand before him. And if anything, after about a decade of being institutionalized, Rei very well could have figured it all out through all the rotten emotions while reflecting. Hence the flower that just has to mean “Let’s start over.” Since it’s the flower from the start of their relationship. Which Endeavor got for her while she was in the mental institution. None of them are turning their backs on what was done. None of them are justifying Endeavor because even WITH good intentions and a logical mindset, the emotional execution of the decisions ruined ALL OF THEM. It doesn’t change Shoto was burdened with a dream and lesson not his responsibility. It doesn’t change Natsuo and Fuyumi were neglected. It doesn’t change Touya turned into Dabi BECAUSE of these decisions. It doesn’t change Rei spent a DECADE in an institution from hysterical fear of Endeavor, which turned to fear of Touya, and finally Shoto breaking her mind and spirit. NONE of that changes. But the Endeavor from back then is not the Endeavor we look at now. And that changes EVERYTHING. Not saying he doesn’t deserve the scorn he’s getting. He still does. Rei knows how hard Endeavor tried to see her over the past decade and how he wanted to make amends and appears to be receptive of them. She has acknowledged before she has no idea how his mind works but she knows he’s always thinking about his family and wants to confront his past. So this appears to be the next step to learn how her husband’s mind works. (S4E25) She COULD have done more than just talk to Touya because those burns were just horrendous and the analogy is even more disturbing. It was far from only her responsibility like Endeavor said, but that doesn’t mean she LACKED responsibility. It’s true that Touya just looked down on every female in the family. But there just had to be other ways to approach Touya than what she did. And she admits she didn’t see her child in the way she needed to. Natsuo even though he has the MOST resentment of Endeavor (not including Dabi. Now a serial murderer and one of the strongest villains) has at the VERY least shown cracks in his guard around the man. Even showing sadness when Endeavor decided to give the family a new home free of the painful memories of the past while staying there himself. (S5E18) Not necessarily the reason he was sad or upset because MAN ARE THERE OPTIONS. It was just the onscreen topic. Natsuo does feel guilt he didn’t try to talk to Touya to not go to the peak that day. As Natsuo was honestly one of the only people that could have talked him out of it since they were close. I don’t think he can justify being angry at himself over this. But I also get he recognizes he was in a position that could have made a difference in what was spiraling into an inevitability. Fuyumi has seen her family as an act and acknowledged all she did was keep up appearances like she was on a stage. But now she can’t walk away from it. She tried harder than ANYONE to keep everyone together. And she may be getting her wish. She was in no position to help, played no part in hurting the family, and just because she pretended everything was fine made her feel guilty broke my heart. Justice for Fuyumi. And Shoto underwent some INTENSE training as a child under Endeavor for these decisions but has acknowledged his teachings as beneficial now that he has accepted himself. And wants the whole family to take on Touya. Which everyone agrees to help Endeavor put himself back together so that can happen. (And while Natsuo says just until Touya is stopped, I’m not going to lie I think that is him as an individual, not a statement for the family.) Because Shoto is COMPLETELY removed from what went down with Touya and never had any role he could have filled but the one I implied that Endeavor wanted for him as a 5 year old. That also means he’s the least likely to be a trigger point for Touya. But at the same time there’s a whole OTHER issue that Touya has made clear he has plans for Shoto to show Endeavor. Shoto is absolutely the hero of the family to be so receptive to everyone in this situation though. Deku has made a HUGE impact on him. Then there’s the subject of Dabi himself. We are missing a few blanks, like how he survived, where he’s been over the last decade, and many other situations. I will also state that clearly he WAS told not just by his parents but likely also the doctor about his quirk usage and he ignored it. He likely WAS told he can’t surpass All-Might which became a “I’ll prove you wrong” point. And he LOVED training. Despite EVERYTHING that came with it. People kept making crueler and blunter decisions on how to communicate with him, but I genuinely don’t know if it was even possible to stop him from the day Endeavor 1st started training with him. Don’t get me wrong Touya was wronged over and over and over again. But the kid himself propelled down a route that physically hurt him. It’s a parent’s job to help the kids pursue their dreams but I also 100% get the terror of doing that for this situation. (It’s not like being ready to douse him every two seconds was an option like a parent getting a bunch of safety equipment for a kid to train for extreme sports, the doctor LITERALLY said he shouldn’t be using the quirk at all. It’s like Deku’s lesson that not all people are created equal and learning it at age 5.) But then there’s one detail throughout this episode that has HAUNTING implications. His hair. Initially this was just a fix from a continuity error in season 2, but they leaned into it so hard it’s much like the 2nd and 3rd holder of OFA before they got designed. (The silhouettes in OFA) It was simple at 1st but became INCREDIBLY complex once Horikoshi made his decision how to work with it. Touya has a LARGE transformation in his hair the other 3 kids didn’t have. Even stopping on his hair being like Shoto’s for a few years. I’ve talked about DNA a number of times with the Todoroki drama and how Shoto’s quirk can be unshackled because it can’t work the way it’s currently shown in the show with quirks being DNA. Well this episode has me staring down the other siblings accounting for body development and their DNA. And since the rules apply to ALL of them. And that has TERRIFYING implications I have to leave alone. I’ll just finish off by saying what I always have to for this story line. We as an audience don’t have any say in how this family gives Endeavor any kind of leeway despite all the horrors he has caused. We know there are healthier choices that this family can choose but they don’t choose them. (Like the family still being in contact with him AT ALL in the beginning of the show for instance) Society ordinarily will keep people like Endeavor entirely out of public eye or only with scorn. Fictional or not. I know MANY people will feel otherwise but based on the story’s direction, it’s better to bring this up now. The Todoroki’s standing here to support Endeavor despite EVERYTHING and prepare to face Touya as a family implies that this family will be resolved without them falling apart. And sticking it out entirely after any confrontation with the villains. Rei, Fuyumi, and Shoto specifically. Natsuo is a question mark and he has every right to be one. It’s just a gigantic terrible combination of horrors.
I hope it's not wrong of me to say that I thought that very first interaction between Enji and Rei (asking her about the flowers) was . . . oddly wholesome. Kudos to giving each family member their own paragraph, as well as citing back to episodes of previous seasons that developed this plotline, and I looked forward to hearing your future thoughts on it in season seven.
@ nah I think they were going to really try to make it work in the beginning so Enji paying attention to those flowers and taking interest in what she likes is shown. And Enji’s description of Rei Himura implies he is genuinely attracted to her. Like she needed a special care he wanted to pursue. (Sadly that didn’t stop him down the line)
This show does parallels so well because sometimes it's almost shot for shot like Enji being a cautionary tale for Bakugo but sometimes it's more twisted and/or nuanced like Izuku and Toya and Izuku and Tenko/Tomura.
Montana seeing the rest of the Todoroki family express what they've done wrong and going "No, you're all wrong, it's all on Endeavor" is the response we've seen coming for 4 seasons
The kids did nothing wrong (except Toya once he becomes older obviously) but the mom is DEFINITELY to blame she literally has the most blame in the situation yet no one blames her
@WhatsIQ I'd compare it to not saving someone from a burning building. Like yeah, it's not your fault if they die, but you're probably going to feel a little guilty for it.
@@IChoozUpikachu yes she was at home without Endeavor for most of Toya's childhood while he was out doing hero work yet she did nothing and whenever she had a chance to stand up to him when he was home and doing something wrong she refused to stand up to him
You what the Todoroki plotline reminds me of? Amon's backstory in Legend of Korra. Think about it: abusive father has children for the sole purpose of carrying out his own ambitions, drives oldest son to supervillainy, it's all there. Heck, I think this even applies (to a MUCH lesser extent, mind you) to Aang and his kids. Not that he was anywhere NEAR as bad of a father as Endeavor or Yakone (Amon's dad, FYI), but at the end of the day, half the reason he wanted mids was to carry on the legacy of airbenders, and when he got that with his youngest son Tenzin, he unintentionally made his first children Bumi and Kya feel neglected, though again, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS BAD as how Endeavor was with Toya, Fuyumi, Natsuo, and Shoto. Just some interesting parallels I thought of.
And the worst part about Aang: I completely understand him. He was the last airbenders. He needed a child that can airbend properly and is spiritually open not just to save his culture, but for the world too. Who was going to teach the next avatar airbending? And where was the next air avatar going to to come from. That's also why Tenzin had to sacrifice his relationship with Lin.
@valentinkambushev4968 Exactly. Endeavor and Yakone had kids for their own pride, but Aang's reasoning was far less sinister and far more complicated. Like, him favoring Tenzin isn't fair, but it also . . . kinda is? I dunno. It's a complex situation to talk about.
@@valentinkambushev4968 why'd he have to sacrifice his relationship with Lin? Because she couldn't settle down into a peaceful life/didn't want kids? I don't remember them specifically addressing that but it makes sense. All I remember is Pema came along like a wrecking ball lmao
@@Yewtewba It's because she was an earthbender, Tenzin needed to be with a non-bender in order to make sure as many kids ended as airbenders as possible.
This is WITHOUT question the most complicated episode to write about. Getting to talk about all the different perspectives and angles in this family is always complicated…and providing any kind of leniency to any given thought process in this episode full of terrors is just asking for trouble. But I also think this episode is not one anything should be simplified either. Because it’s an extremely carefully layered nightmare with one terrible decision after the next. Even though each decision I also don’t think is lazily made but they never had the ability or capacity to allow their plans to come to fruition as intended (but COULD have worked with the right people and right approach.) and only further buried it into the clusterf- that is the Todoroki family. Today has to be a 3 parter. And I’ll split between Endeavor’s role, the family role, and what follows those scenes. Let’s just start with Endeavor’s role/perspective. We have spent 3 seasons showing how Endeavor is a “changed” man truly “trying” his best to atone for his sins. (It’s a learning curve. Guy is an emotional moron and I just don’t see that ever changing) And he has made a few positive steps like getting his family out of the house full of the bad memories. And is trying to see the perspectives of his family members. Well over a decade late. We have to do one of the hardest things and take a REALLY good long look at what Endeavor was prior to All-Might’s retirement. And see what he tried to do. When this started, it is as far from innocent as it gets. He approached a formerly prestigious family with his own wealth and status in exchange for a quirk marriage, which is an arranged marriage taken a step further for making very specific children. (Kinda like how a royal will only marry into other strong prestigious family’s to improve their blood line. Luckily that is waning a tad even if still frowned upon choosing an alternative for some reason. Sadly the Himura clan is far from unfamiliar with such circumstances I’ll put it that way.) Endeavor has already realized he on a personal level can’t surpass All-Might due to 2 things. Longevity and power. He can get CLOSE for one (He was wrong. He too had no clue All-Might was 60x stronger back then and that’s why he had no clue All-Might had gotten injured and couldn’t use all his power until the day he retired.) but can’t manage longevity because of something VERY relevant to this episode. His quirk recoil. So he sought a way to remove the one he THOUGHT was the only one he couldn’t resolve. And that’s why he went to Rei Himura. Touya and Fuyumi were born around the same time for the same reason. This was the passion project to surpass All-Might. But even though he didn’t get the half-cold half-hot quirk for them, he was happy with that regardless, because Touya’s fire was so strong Endeavor decided this was gonna be the child he wanted to train to be a hero, and he didn’t need to go for the quirk he thought was necessary. (In this era, there are shots of Endeavor training Touya, with both of them loving the time they spent together. This is likely the family at its healthiest back then bad motives or no. He likely told Touya, hey if I got this close to beating All-Might, with your fire naturally better than mine I think you can surpass him one day! With family therapy in this era I think this is the ONLY point that this family could’ve been spared its nightmares) But that all went COMPLETELY out the window once the doctor gave him the worst news possible. Touya does indeed have greater fire, but with his ice resistance, that means his quirk recoil is WAY worse than Endeavor’s. The very thing Endeavor had been obsessively been trying to temper in his own pursuit of surpassing All-Might. And with a doctor’s order no less to tell him he can’t be using such an unstable quirk…everything went completely downhill from there. (Just keep in mind a DOCTOR told the parents don’t let him use his quirk) Upon hearing the doctor’s orders, Endeavor starts to distance himself from Touya. He stopped training the kid and even discussed it was due to the recoil, but Touya with the dream of being a hero better than All-Might ignored that information and continued to train because of the early promise. And THAT was the point literally EVERYTHING changed. Although Endeavor’s hero efforts never changed, his family efforts had become COMPLETELY different. Touya was burning himself EVERYDAY as he trained and Endeavor knew how much it hurt the poor kid and he remarked literally every day he found his son covered in new burns. The harder Endeavor tried to surpass All-Might, the more he understood how much Touya was pushing himself AND hurting himself by proxy. So he thinks back to what started Touya’s efforts and tries his hardest to show Touya he can’t do what they originally believed. But he didn’t listen. And THAT is when Endeavor made his next big move. If you can’t see the balance needed to grow, I’ll have to show you someone who can. That’s when Natsuo and Shoto were born. And Touya understood one thing. He was being replaced. But he STILL didn’t give up. Instead of seeing Shoto as the knowledge he couldn’t create the balance Shoto would one day be able to, he took it as a challenge for ANOTHER thing to surpass. (You may notice that when Touya attacks Shoto, Endeavor stops him…with a burn on his arm. A fully trained Endeavor is having trouble withstanding Touya’s fire even WITH the heat resistance. Showing JUST how bad this recoil is for Touya) And it keeps going with Rei and Endeavor trying EVERYTHING to get him to stop. Endeavor distancing himself more out of fear if he gives Touya the same attention he wants, he will work even HARDER hurting himself even more. And keeps Shoto from the other kids in case the other kids or if Touya persists in perceiving him as a threat. All this time the home is getting more and more toxic. Touya is at the forefront of nearly every decision even if it ALWAYS ends up worse, Fuyumi and Natsuo are neglected because they are simply not a factor in getting Touya to stop, Shoto is being trained ALREADY at an age WAY too young, Rei and Endeavor can’t communicate at all and it turns from extreme verbal issues to physical. Rei eventually breaks and is institutionalized from burning Shoto. I seem to recall Endeavor saying it was moronic to hurt Shoto at such a crucial point. And considering Shoto’s age, I don’t think I can take that as the All-Might goal which is why I knew it had to be related to Touya. So he must’ve been getting ready to give Touya a very blunt and visual lesson with Shoto around that point so that way Touya can see his recoil a bit better and treat it with the necessary care. (I also recall a scene where Endeavor says why he “made” Shoto to All-Might, and with what he had to hide and depths this was at, that was his INNOCENT explanation) Now I’ve spent this ENTIRE analysis justifying Endeavor’s thought process. Because each and every point leads to the next in what is honestly a logical train of thought. That being said, the emotional care for this situation is GARBAGE and it’s why EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THIS ironically backfired. Endeavor has TERRIBLE emotional control. His control is preventing any and all vulnerability coming loose, so he shows sorrow, and much worse fear in its covered up state. And that emotion is anger. That’s the key to anger. Anger isn’t a raw emotion, it’s a mask covering one you don’t want to address or understand. But because Endeavor was trying so hard to not be afraid or sad it came off as the uncontrollable anger and for the kids he WASN’T paying attention to, cold indifference. But when you look at Endeavor’s face when he sees the Sekoto Peak fire, it’s ANYTHING but a lack of care. This is the very thing the doctor warned, and what Endeavor tried to prevent for TEN YEARS. I recall in season 5 he was on his knees apologizing to Natsuo saying he never meant to neglect Fuyumi and Natsuo. But he was so hyper focused on Touya and Shoto, specifically Touya if anything, that’s how it turned out. This is the fairest I can be to Endeavor while also just saying, YEAH YOU STILL RUINED YOUR FAMILY AND THERE’S NO GOING BACK.
Alright, I'd say that was all pretty fair and justified critique of Endeavor while still looking at the situation objectively. Though, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by Shoto being used to teach Toya to stop. Could you elaborate? Also, I'm pretty sure it's hinted at if not outright confirmed that Geten is part of the Rei's family. Any chance her situation could've been a factor in driving him to the MLA? Cause he was more anti-Pro than most during the war.
@@HaydrogenBomb I think Touya had a complete lack of understanding of what a quirk recoil was in general. And Endeavor, Rei, Fuyumi, and Natsuo all have the exact same kind of recoil. Heat up/cool off too much, you burn or get frostbite. And any explanation of showing Touya that with them, Touya is at the point where he says but I’m just stronger than them, I can tolerate more than you can. And Shoto completely mitigating it with his quirk and all he has to do is balance right, it would finally be a physical representation Touya could understand from Endeavor’s perspective. But honestly it would likely just be ANOTHER challenge to surpass, but maybe Endeavor was hoping he would search out ways to make his fire NOT burn him. Or perhaps even properly safe to train him again. I’m not sure. It’s hard to say Endeavor’s endgame when things swiveled so far away from his initial intentions. As for Geten, I plan on speaking about him in time, but not til later.
Ok, now I can FINALLY talk about other things than the Todoroki drama. (I have 2 other parts for Endeavor’s perspective and the Family perspective because all of them are important to keep in mind) Rei gets on her knees in the same bow for Best Jeanist and Hawks as All-Might did to Inko when he pleaded with her to let him be Deku’s father figure in more official capacity. It’s seen as the highest respect in Japan and you can go your entire life without seeing someone do it. And Hawks and Best Jeanist freak out because they don’t want to lecture the family about their drama and more want to figure out what to do with it. So that is their current investigation and they know Dabi’s story isn’t done coming out yet with a decade long blank. Far more pressing though is THE most alarming moment of the entire war arc they need answers for. For them, they have no context. But a super villain that is the 2nd AFO rose with the purpose of destroying society in revenge for his past and society rejecting him when he needed help. And yet, when faced with the #1 hero who is both his biggest fight AND biggest opportunity to do damage out the gate, what does he do? He mutters something about OFA and proceeds to IGNORE the #1 hero to move the ENTIRE ground zero not to the evacuees for maximum casualties, but very specifically one 16 year old kid who had no reason to be on the battlefield. This kid out of NOWHERE makes a beeline across the battlefield and ground zero actively FOLLOWS HIM. That is UNHEARD OF for these top heroes and COMPLETELY nonsensical. When Endeavor gives it reflection, he realizes the timing of Shigaraki ignoring him and Deku making a run for it. Deku was his TARGET. This kid who has had ZERO connection but a few short encounters of Shigaraki just being chaotic boils down to this kid being the FIRST THING he goes after when he wakes up with COUNTLESS quirks. Why does he care? Deku’s a tough kid, but he’s not the strongest by any stretch for pros, even if he is UNREASONABLY strong for his age and FAST approaching their range. And now they have to talk to him because there is ZERO reason for him to run during their conversations except when One For All was mentioned. The press is already freaking out that One For All is some kind of terrifying connection to All For One. (I lowkey love that the family is still there hearing them speculate) While the necessity for the heroes to know grows more important in these times, it is more important than EVER to hide OFA from the public. The entire war arc, every piece the villains had made and added to their arsenal was for the EXPRESS PURPOSE to face OFA. If it comes out, that means the blame for the war will fall on OFA BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE VICTIM BLAMING IN THIS SHOW AND THIS WORLD’S PRESS IS TERRIBLE. That means All-Might and Deku will likely be blamed for the war. In a few minutes of contemplation, the heroes have figured out more about OFA than the last 200 YEARS of it hiding. And the strangest thing is that it didn’t come from ANY of the assumed weak points in the hiding across this show. Bakugo didn’t spill the beans, Deku didn’t blow his cover, and his past as quirkless was never uncovered at any juncture in this show. NONE OF THOSE things occurred. What did it was Season 3. One of the most soul crushing moments in All-Might’s last stand. “I wasn’t sure until you and I exchanged blows tonight All-Might. But now I am. One For All no longer resides within you. What you are using is the lingering ghost fighting from going out. And even now it’s trying to rekindle itself to fulfill its duty. IZUKU MIDORIYA! HE is the boy you passed OFA on to! You have no control of him do you? Looks like you will die full of regrets All-Might! A failure as a mentor AND as a teacher!” While that moment is still full of nuance and we don’t know for certain what he saw in that moment, (did he see Deku with stockpile and All-Might without it? Did he see them BOTH with Stockpile and he knew All-Might’s wouldn’t last based on that moment?) and AFO while has seen OFA longer than anyone, is also the most confused by it. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t make the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario occur INSTANTANEOUSLY that has persisted since that occurred. Aside public opinion pressure getting piled on, there is NOTHING more terrifying than this man knowing who his true opponent is. Critical mass has been reached and perpetuated for a LONG TIME now that there are TWO AFO’s. AND BAKUGO STILL ISN’T HELPING. XD I have spoken at length about Bakugo and Deku REMAINING toxic but having this kid STILL deciding NOW is the time to go in and scream at his comatose teammate ABOUT HIS PUNCTUALITY IN WAKING UP CAUSING A TEAM OF CLASSMATES TYING HIM UP AND REMOVING HIM BY FORCE. That is a HEARTBREAKING reality that even in this awful moment he can’t ease up. That’s not posturing. Even if it’s out of care for his teammate. Guys I know he’s the favorite character of the show, but how do you justify this 16 year old trying to barge into Deku’s hospital room to scream at him, scaring the hospital staff, Deku’s ACTUAL two closest friends in the class saying we thought he’d ease up in this scenario, and if god forbid his mom was there or if the doctors were working on his body in that hospital room which Bakugo CAN’T POSSIBLY KNOW BUT IS PURSUING THIS ANYWAY with actions where if I were Inko seeing that, would cause me to file for a restraining order IMMEDIATELY?! I was VERY satisfied watching him get dragged away by Tsu, Sato, and Mineta. And Best Jeanist calling him his full hero name. Which I’m pretty sure he’s saying it like that on purpose so Bakugo knows to cut it down to just Dynamight eventually. What is a lot more sad is Iida and Uraraka who ARE actually loving and supportive for Deku and are capable of showing it unconditionally, can’t sit by him while he’s comatose which both CLEARLY want to do. Not that I don’t get that All-Might wants to try and sense the OFA conversation. Which IS necessary. And once again ringing my alarm bells that he thinks he CAN and maybe even succeeding to some level. Yet another hint that All-Might may not have lost OFA for good even if he can’t physically channel the energy with his body so wrecked. Next episode, we are looking like a big OFA lore episode. That’s going to be fun.
@@paulosebastiao2887 I’m in agreement on that. I never doubt his strength and battle prowess/intelligence, I never doubt his ability to get along with certain characters, but not having basic hospital etiquette down at 16 is a pretty big signal you shouldn’t write it off as it’s just how he is that can’t be just blanketed over the entirety of his understanding. (And ESPECIALLY when it comes to Deku)
Is it wrong for me to say that I thought that very first interaction between Enji and Rei was . . . oddly wholesome? Is that allowed, given what all this turned in to?
He bought her. That was pretty common up until recently (and it's still practiced in some places). As f-ed up as it is, it didn't always end up badly. Certainly a better method than the one my great great grandfather used to get a wife (and failed).
It was it's not like Enji forced her to do anything she had every choice and at the beginning it started out as a beautiful relationship with scummy parents who forced it to go way to fast and for all the wrong reasons.
@@WhatsIQ I just checked. You’re the person on AliciaxLife’s channel who said that Rei was worse than Enji and he never hit her. I’m happy that she deleted your comments ngl
Fuyumi and Natsu aren't taking all of the blame for Endeavor, Natsu tells him it's all still his fault. But I think it makes sense for these kids to feel some responsibility when something like Toya's reveal happens. Obviously they're gonna be thinking of all the could've 's would've 's and should've 's. I think that's just a natural response. And we got these responses AFTER we saw an objective view of the situation. The narrative isn't putting responsibility on them, but the characters do.
I think it's more so that there's nobody there to tell them that they shouldn't blame themselves. Like, we the audience know that they were just children and it makes sense for them to feel guilt, since it's normal to see victims blame themselves.
My perspective on the whole "taking the blame" thing is not that they are saying we fucked up just like you (Endeavor) did. Those are kind of two separate things. Endeavour fucked up Toya mentally. That's for sure his fault. With Natsu, it's more of a "I could have stopped Toya from going to that mountain if I had I talked with him".
Watching you guy's discuss just occurred to me that Endeavor-Toya/Dabi issue is very similar to Master Sifu-Tai Lung (Kung fu panda), though less extreme on the father side. Tai Lung even mentioned it in the similar way Toya did, something along the lines of: "You light up this fire in me."
14:58 yes Endeavour was being a dick here no question but now you have seen how Touya went after Shoto that there was also a side of this training that was to protect Shoto from Touya lashing out at him again
Yeah people don't seem to get the reasoning all makes sense it's just the way he goes about it that is VERY wrong which is why he struggles to completely separate from it like Hawks does
@@Wezt334 What people tend to forget is though is that Toya attacking Shoto was almost completely Enji’s fault. And his response after this was completely wrong. The mentality of “I have to protect this child from the other child” is inherently wrong and toxic for a parent to have. Not to mention that he saw Shoto as a “masterpiece,” not a son. He was a pretty sinister person.
@ which is my point, you view it one way however it can also be viewed another way. Endeavour did wrong here there’s no question in that the character himself admits as much but it can be viewed in a different perspective that this was his way of protecting the children from each other. This is reflective of many parents out there who make the wrong choice when raising their children but at the time they view it as the correct one. I’m not saying your wrong I’m just saying it’s not exactly black and white and seeing it one way only is more reflective of the reader or viewers own life view
@@Wezt334 That’s fair. I do think that this ultimately speaks to what kind of person Enji is though. The fact that his response was to isolate a child definitely shows how little empathy he has. It’s just interesting when we put it in the context of “he genuinely believed he was doing the right thing” in this case.
@@You-Tube-n5k I’d argue only that you are saying this is who he is however by nature of the flash back and his admittance that he was wrong this shows who he was not who he currently is
Given how we've learned that quirks affect personality, does that mean that Endeavour's fire quirk gave him a burning desire and anger that lead to him wanting to be the best at any cost? Meaning he could also be a victim of his own quirk?
It's not all shifting blame, to an extent it's them saying "there's stuff we all could have done better to avoid this outcome, we can't change that now, but we have to fix it"
At 9:47 I understood what he meant That, even if he tries to let it go the other kids will speak to each other or him about how they’ll become great heroes one day, and then one of them will say why is it that you can’t be a hero even when your dad’s the best hero in Japan Why do you even have his power? To toya what was even the point of his existence knowing that his father put hard work for him the moment he was born he can’t forget that. Yeah That just sounds really tough right there and That’s how he got crazy
Damn, this show has an incredible amount of detail, double-meanings, and parallels that give it so much rewatch value. I know I pick up on something new every time I watch it. And both Kenny and Montana picked up on things that I'd never even thought of this time around too! This show never ceases to amaze me!!! (PS: I don't know a whole ton about Japanese culture, but I know there's an attitude in Japan about families being collectively responsible for the actions of one of their own. That's probably where that "shared blame" comes in, even though it feels unfair to some of us in other countries)
11:25 i dont se it as endovor only caring about shoto as we see toya leap at shoto i i think heae trying to keep him safe because its clear Toya was trying to kill shoto because he feels shoto is replacing him and hes afraid the other kids see it that way to and will try to kill shoto.
If he cared for Toya he would have isolated him instead of Shoto, shows he didn’t care for helping Toya or saving his other kids, just wanted to preserve his masterpiece. In general if you have a problem with a child, you don’t isolate the child without the problem, you help the child showing issues
@LettsReact that I understand but I do think well it was wrong he was trying to help with the situation but his obsession with making the strongest child made him think that keeping shoto separate would solve the problem instead of actually dealing with the problem.
I feel like Montana misses the point with the Todoroki story line entirely because she has such a hate b*ner for Endeavor. And then saying that them taking responsibility is due to selfish motives is wild 😂
Yep, this was the other ep I was looking forward to seeing Montana's views on. 😉 Anyway, as far as the "victim blaming" view is concerned, I think (and anyone is more than welcome to correct me on this,) this is slightly more of a culture-specific issue. That is, in Japan and many other Asian countries, the concept of filial piety (basically honoring your parents/ancestors) is still prevalent nowadays, though not as strongly as it used to be. It's pointed out this very episode that Rei's family was once a prestigious one, so they may very well have retained similar values of being filial up to the present generation.... which I think is pretty well evidenced by the fact that Rei allowed herself to be "sold" to Endeavor by her parents. Those same values could also explain why the Todoroki kids felt the need to shoulder some of their father's burden, despite being victims of his crappy parenting themselves. Again, I could be totally off the mark on this, but I still think that's one possible take on this situation.....
In terms of the siblings I don't think it's anything that deep. If you take a look at what they say and what happens in the flashbacks I genuinely think it's that simple for them. Natsu feels like if he didn't ignore Toya when he was venting to him, he probably wouldn't have felt alone and ignored enough to always want to please his dad. Fuyumi always either agreed with their dad or acted like everything was fine. So she probably feels that by not acknowledging how fucked up the situation is, she was gaslighting Toya. It's not victim blaming, it's simply the family acknowledging that even though the entire thing is in fact Endeavor's fault, they can see how certain things that they did contributed to Toya's mental decline, the rest of them turned out well enough and they think that if they had been more supportive then at the very least, Toya wouldn't have become a villian. That's not the same as saying they have some blame in this. In line with the episode name, Endeavor started the fire and is therefore to blame, but the rest of them saw the fire too and chose to ignore it and now feel guilty about how many people it's killed. They're seeing the ways that they could've reduced the fire as individuals and maybe they could've stopped it even though it wasn't their responsibility to. I can completely understand that feeling. Just because some something isn't your fault, doesn't mean you won't feel some need to have made things better.
I love how as soon as the audience starts to feel a BIT bad for Endevour, Horokoshi immediately shows this to remind us of the monster he is. This episode is very hard to watch, but I feel it’s necessary to pay extreme attention to it. It’s this episode the reminds us how horrible Endevour is, and how much he’s grown.
Endeavour was awful every one gets that but let me say this as a kid who was abused by both parents, I never really blame my parents because they were young and dumb and were not ready for a kid, but seeing endeavour in that scene asking touya to stop it seems like endeavour really cared for touya and didn't want him Hurting himself. And after touya's supposed death endeavour really grieves him. He was awful but not as awful as people tell him out to be. I think the one to really blame is touya, he was obsessed with that unattainable goal which then got himself killed and to put all that blame on endeavour just kinda seems ridiculous.
Exactly. And the biggest thing no one understands is that you can't blame the current person for the mistakes they made in the past when they are already atoning. I'll never understand how people can simultaneously believe people can change but then always blame them for the worst things they've done in their past instead of the worst/best things they're doing NOW.
Yes!! I think endeavor does genuinely care at least a little bit that Touya wasn't hurt or hurting others He just has a genuine cluelessness on what the right thing is for his family. Which doesn't mean he's innocent. I saw him separating out Shoto from the rest as "well he's the one in danger with Touya, so I have to protect him" Obviously not good for Shoto or his health, but endeavor seemed to be trying? Doesn't mean he deserves forgiveness or is owed anything from his kids, but doesn't deserve complete villainization if that makes sense
Im sure they'll skip responding to yours. She's mentioned in various videos having issues with her father in real life. Ao characters like Endeavor, Omniman, etc... will never get a fair shake during their redemption arcs because of her traumas + biases
Endeavor was awful and it was as awful as people make him out to be, it just didn't really kicked off until Toya died. You can't blame a child for your incompetence at parenting. Toya now sure is crazy but this doesn't apply to when he was kid. Of course Endeavor is a "good person" he was the number two hero but this doesn't excuse all his selfish mistakes and awful things he did, he cared about Toya, still failed completely at being a father to him and continues to go downhill after his "death" until recently so the hate he gets is completely valid.
It's crazy that Deku was beating himself up after his tournament fight with Shoto, saying he should've minded his own business, and in the words of All-might, "meddling where you're not supposed to is the essence of being a hero" is what kept Shoto from ending up like Touya.
Every time we get a new glimpse into the Todoroki household, we see the way Endeavor's abuse destroyed the lives of all of his family members, and every time it's more terrifying. Seeing Shoto's training regimen for the first time was horrifying enough, and how awful Touya's whole life doesn't even need to be mentioned, but I thought that look Endeavor gave Rei was by far the most terrifying thing about the whole episode, and it gave me a feeling I have rarely felt watching this show. And it screams its message but also shows it in a subtle way; the way Endeavor looks at Rei, seeing Rei's eyes widen and then cutting to baby Shoto and Rei looking exhausted is *masterful* visual storytelling. And it's so awful because it's real, and happens so often that it's sickening.
Hey @LettsReact, you might wanna double check your microphones, there appears to be some distortion in the left audio channel. Noticeably it's not present during Michaela Murphy's recorded introduction.
Kenny, youll be able to watch the 4th movie whenever its available cause its set between ep 4 and 5 of S7, you could watch it after S7 if you want but its set between those episodes
All endeavor had to do was continue to train toya with safety in mind. The problem is that he immediately rejected him from the path he was raised his whole life on. This story resonates deeply with others because many people project their desires on their children. When in reality a parents only goal for their children should be that they are happy. That is the mark of a hero parent.
Now that I’m rewatching this it makes me wonder if edevour had trained with toya and trained him to control his emotions if he could’ve controlled the flames to be atleast as effective as edevour maybe not burn himself or explode in power in vital moments he could’ve been a hero then
Seeing the way Endeavor tried to resolve the situation with Toya still wanting to train makes me wonder if that fed into his treatment of Shoto. When parenting, you can't truly reason with kids - when trying to teach or lay out rules, you lay out simplified versions of the logic behind the things (don't steal that other kid's toy, because how would you feel if he stole your toy?), and how simplified will vary based on the age of the child, but parents will always run into situations where they need to put their foot down on the basis of, "I am the parent and you are the child and you will do what you are told." Endeavor's approach of basic, to-the-point conversations with Toya, basically saying, "It's too dangerous, no more training," and leaving it at that was clearly not enough, and I wonder if Endeavor looked at that and said, "I was too soft on Toya and did not do enough to take control of the situation," and then went too far in the other direction with Shoto.
Yeah. Let's start talking about how ironic their Hero names is. Deku had been All Might's biggest fan (Bakugo is too but Deku just on another level). But Deku's name is influenced by Bakugo (who appeared to be bigger influence in his life than All Might), and Bakugo paid homage to All Might's name.
I mean, just imagine you're Toya. First born, told you will pass All Might because of your talent. Then, I told that your dream is unattainable because your body can't hamdke your quirk. Meanwhile, your dad is still forcing your mom to try and produce the perfect offspring. Not only does Toya keep on being reminded that in his dads eyes, he's a failure but that he's almost being tossed aside. Endeavor almost treated his children like how kids treat toys, its really fun at first, but then when something cooler comes along, they forget all about the original. Toya just wanted attention from his dad, for Endeavor to acknowledge him. However, him being a hero meant that he couldn't, thus almost abandoning him in a way. If Endeavor was around more than maybe, he could have pulled Touya aside and say "hey you can't be a hero, but that's okay, I'll be proud of you no matter what you do". But he was so consumed with being the #1 hero he could only look at it from a "hero's" perspective, and that only made it that much worse.
I do want to know how Enji was supposed to handle this in a safe way but still properly address Touya's needs and happiness. He wanted to impress his father, but it was really hurting him. Montana did catch it, Enji told Touya that he couldn't pursue that dream anymore like Inko told Izuku that he couldn['t be a hero. Although, Enji was a the worst in personality, but what other than that, what is the difference in what they told their children and the result. I also like the Kenny connect made with Touya and Deku's quirk hurting them and treated differently. I thought that Fuyumi knew a little of her father because she and Touya were only a year apart so there could have been some interactions. Though again, she was really young before it all went to hell, so I guess she has little memories of it. Montana is little prepared for ONE FO ALL future.
The flashbacks show that things arent so simple. Everyone has some blame. Endeavor had moments of being a good husband and father. Of caring for Toya. One of his anger sources being that he doesnt want Toya to be hurt. He also snapped at his wife and drilled Toya+shoto, and isolated Shoto. The wife was too passive when her kid was off the rails. And we cant forget that SOME of this was Toya's own fault and choices. And Endeavor never really taught him that random misogyny that begins to show up in Toya's speech. Toya/Dabi is the only person in all of MHA doing that
Saying the kids shouldn't be taking any responsibility for Toya seems odd to me. Sure, they were kids, and maybe didn't know better, but they still could have done something. Natsuo specifically pointed out how he should have knocked some sense into Toya, instead of just letting him fester. That couldn't, reasonably, have been expected of the kids, but they still could have done it. Saying the kids shouldn't take responsibility because they couldn't have known better is like saying Endeavor shouldn't take responsibility because that's just the kind of person he was at the time, and couldn't have done better. Recognizing where you could have been better, but weren't, is how you grow. Pretending like you never could have done/been any better than you did/were is how you stagnate, and become worse as a person. It's good that they're all taking responsibility, and working to improve things, it shows growth. Taking responsibility is underrated.
Kinda hot take incoming? I don't think it's victimblaming. I think it's more from the perspective they have their regrets and feelings about this situation and desire to make things different. It's also showing us that their personalities are much more than theirs traumas. This episode also showed how complex Rei's character, her motivation and mentality is. And the moment when she honestly and without fear tells Enji how repulsive he were to her back than shows how she changed too. About Deku's quirk - it also was pointed in the Endeavor agensy arc where he Endeavor said that he has a dangerous quirk which hurts him and by his expression (especially in the manga) you can tell he thought of Touya. But Deku quirk is like 7 in 1 and he can use it after some training. It was different for Touya. I don't think the special suit can change anything is this case. Suit can't change a genetics itself, which was the problem in this situation (I hope they'll animate explanation from manga). Suit can be used only as a support to lower the problem (for example, even Endeavor's hero suit has an elements for him not to overheat, but it can't solve the problem completly). The only normal way I could think of to solve this problem was to get Touya to psychologist, but ofc no one did so cause adults in this situation wasn't mentaly stable as well
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It's interesting to see the comparison and differences between different situations and families. I always think the blame compairison, fwiw, is interesting when you compare it to Shiguraki's family. In both cases, the father is clearly the one most at fault. But, at the same time, the rest of the family isn't completely blameless. And, depressingly, Endeavor is actually being the better father here, even if he is abusing his son he's abusing his son less (Lord I hate saying that like it's somehow a real excuse) and he's doing it to protect him from being a PHYSICAL danger to himself rather than some sort of more nebulous psychological/philosophical objection. It's f'ed up, and he badly deserves or needed a bunch of slaps to the head the head for his methodology, but you can actually see what he was trying to do, and a lot of the intent wasn't bad no matter how STUPIDLY he went about it. "I don't want my son to hurt himself with his power" okay... good "I should try to get him to move away from this and get on with his life" alright... I like where you're going here "I'll try to force him to spend time with his siblings and other people. And as part of that I'll completely ignore him and his power to try and discourage him" NO! BAD BOY! NO BISCUIT! Is it sad that Shoto actually seems to have a better father than a lot of the ones we've seen in this series? I don't just mean Shigaraki. Compared to Hawks, Eri, and even Deku? I mean, that's like a net mark of 0.1% as opposed to zero. But at least in a twisted way Shoto's father was there for him, and encouraged him even when he was being a completely abusive and projective parent and at least tries to change his ways, understand his son, and be a better person. Deku... yeah, there's yet another reason he's so obsessed with All Might.
@@JP-hk6xw looked more into it. The color change is part of the manga as you said (im an anime only so i didnt know about that lol) but i was referring to the fact that earlier in the manga toyas hair is white in that flashback where hes playing with his siblings, wherein the anime its red. Whether or not horikoshi added the red to white color change as a way to patch the anime mistake or for some other reason Im not sure. In the future I should probably double check before i say things...
@@mrman3515 Oh I see what you're getting at now, that honestly could be what happened. Horikoshi already set up that Toya's hair was white, so why would he create a red to white transition in the later chapters other than to "fix" the anime giving him red hair?
I don't think Endeavor really did much wrong except when he hit his wife. He just needed to be a bit calmer and breathe. I think he was just frustrated by Toya not listening, the fact that he disappointed both of them with the bad quirk, and All Mights success. He was right to separate himself and his hero work from Toya and not give in to Toya's self harm. He probably should have went to the Peak and talked to him more about it though, but Endeavor was just too focused on his endeavor and in his own world.
@@LettsReactI just think almost all of us get preoccupied or frustrated by stuff and forget to pay attention to those we love. I mostly blame Toya for a lot of the chaos. Not much a parent can do when their child insists on harming themselves and being psychotic. Endeavor was being calm and trying to take the burden off of him, at first at least, but Toya was insistent on putting it on himself and being the victim.
Then you need to learn what abusive households are like before you hurt someone. Because Endeavor was a text book abuser in every definetion no getting around that and the family is right to be mad at him over it. And it's good the episode does'nt sugar coat what he did just because he's on a redemption arc, infact emphasizing that past helps make the arc mean more.
@ quick question, why was Toya obsessed with perfecting his dangerous power? (The answer is endeavor told him he had to surpass allmight and that was his destiny)
you know what I thought about with endeavor and his wife the way he looks at her man those eyes look like a man who’s about sexually harass his wife, not in romance but trying to create a perfect heir. Yeah I can see why Todoroki and his siblings really hate him throughout all his angrily temper worst anime father. (but I let whatever your opinions are)
no vitriol behind this but i don’t like the thought of there really being no other way for touya to turn out esp as someone who was in a very similar situation bc that’s just not true esp in a situation that isn’t even extremely severe nobody is ever too far gone. it’s one of my grudges against mha, the idea perpetuated that victims who lash out (cough the league) are too far gone there’s nothing you can do about it other than saving the next gen of victims who are young and fit the perfect victim narrative. it felt so harmful and lazy to me
About want to know Horikoahu ( the author of this story) and his father, i had exactly the same thought, like how his relationship with his father effecting his writing about fatherhood and family in MHA. He never once mentioned bout his father in his interview, make me wonder for real. Meanwhile, Hori mentioned that he include his precious memory with his mother in MHA ( the scene where deku as a child playing hero with mother is inspired by how he play that game as a child with his mother) and even stated that he actually cry when drawing that scene. Make me sus that he actually don't have a good relationship with his father.
Aside from Dabi's insanity being caused by his upbringing, do you think it also has to do with his lesser heat resistance? A lot of things can go awry when the body can't achieve homeostasis, cell death and alike. I mean, it's why Endeavor wanted the ice quirk in the first place, because his body will face consequence if he goes beyond his limit🤔
Some clarification: The idea that Endeavor proposed to Rei to make Touya forget about being a hero wasn't by telling him that he couldn't be a hero. What he proposed to her was to keep having kids until they could have one with the perfect quirk and that way "make Touya understand that someone else was the one who was going to surpass All Might, not him". Which of course, was just a poor excuse for him to keep forcefully using Rei pretty much like a gatcha machine until he could get a kid able to surpass All Might.
I really don’t like how the rest of the family are blaming themselves too as if they had equal responsibility for what happened. The kids were kids n were all dealing with their trama in different way so therefore you cant expect them to help Touya. The mother was a broken woman and anything she said to him didn’t help because he hated her too, so how could she have helped out at all? All the responsibility of this goes onto Endeavor to me, if he had paid attention to his kids more, if he hadn’t separated shoto away from them therefore creating a barrier between him and his siblings. There were so many things he could’ve done to prevent it from happening. Even after Touyas death he never changed and continued on neglecting his other children the same way he did touya even though thats exactly how they ended up there, he’s lucky none of his other children became villains either because that was because of their resolve, not because of anything Endeavor did. This episode was good in how it showed Dabis backstory but also kind of bad in the way it puts the blame on an abused tired woman and her all under the age of 13 children.
imo Horikoshi really failed Touya/Dabi (even the rest of the Todorokis excluding Endeavor). It honestly feels like he regretted making Endeavor as terrible as he did and tried shifting the blame to everyone else. Not going to get into spoilers but what happens to Dabi by the end of the story is unbelievably cruel and just leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth
"He's made friends at UA High" **Shows clip of Deku completely obliterating his stomach with a punch** LMFAO
That's how you make friends at UA
I am glad I am not the only one who laughed😂
The saddest thing about how Touya's life went was that he didn't *actually* want to be the number one hero, surpass All Might, or be a hero at all. He wanted his father's love and approval more than anything in the world. He *knew* that his father wanted a child so that it could surpass All Might, not because Endeavor actually wanted or loved him, which would obviously already completely ruin the mind of any child, even without abuse or neglect going on. So Endeavor training with him, praising him and his abilities *was* love to Touya, and when Endeavor stopped training with him and told him not to use his quirk, any semblance of love Touya felt was ripped from him. And having more children to make Touya realize Endeavor doesn't think of him as a viable successor anymore when Touya *knows* why he had him wasn't just digging the knife in deeper, it was practically ending Touya's life. Instead of showing him love and spending time with him, Endeavor drove Touya deeper and deeper into the pit of despair he made his child enter in the first place.
I agree with you l fell şad for toya and his family here to him and his mother too have nice day❤
The fact that Shoto felt the need to physically protect his mom at such an early age is heartbreaking. And yeah, I like that you picked up on how Touya’s thoughts on mom and Fuyumi were likely taken from Endeavor. Honestly, bravo to Montana for all of her takes here. She really has the habit of hitting the nail on the head with the Todoroki family.
What I think most people tend to forget is that Toya's quirk is not only dangerous to himself but also to everyone near him. Whole Sekoto Peak was in flames in seconds. Imagine if that happened at home or in school or somewhere similar. It's also emotion based, meaning that he can't just "not use it" as it responds to his emotions. He should've been taught how to lower the heat and control his quirk
Deku indirectly saved the Todoroki family by saving Shoto himself. Deku's actions influenced Shoto and now Shoto is the hero for his own family... And disturbingly enough, Enji somehow manages to be both abusive and absent/neglective all at once. That's honestly an impressive level of f*cked up of abuse I've ever seen
@@kelonpie i agree with you here my friend have nice day❤️
Butterfly effects can be hard to write, but once again, Horikoshi knocked it outta the park.
On top of that Midoriya still defended Shoto and Endeavor against Toya, calling them his friend and his mentor.
From what I've seen, a lot of abusive parents are like this. They're so disgusted with their own lives that they take the anger out on their children, but they also ignore their children whenever they're not in a bad mood. Essentially, their kids become an emotional punching bag and nothing else. Some people just shouldn't be parents :/
I really admire how this show keeps reminding us just how awful Endeavor used to be. Many stories just sweep the cruel acts under the rug later on in order to make a morally questionable character likable, but this way it's more realistic and nuanced. It's honestly kinda funny how many reactors who were totally cool with Endeavor again reconsidered their opinion of him afterwards, even though he has changed for the better.
I agree with you here is amzing l love it have nice day❤
That's one thing I actually really like about Enji's character. He feels super realistic. As a nuanced portrayal of a horrible person who feels regret he's pretty great. As a character with an arc about atoning and changing I still think he's kind of sloppy, but there's definitely stuff to like about him.
And true, I've always thought it to be kind of weird when reactors do that ngl. I understand why, but still.
His past shouldn't matter because we've already been shown exactly why he's different but what I don't get is how people see this then think the mom is fine but endeavor is bad when the mom was to blame for most of what went wrong aswell
@@WhatsIQ Pretty sure I saw you on AliciaxLife’s video saying that Enji never hit Rei.
First of all endeavor is a hero as a job, not only that but number 2. He probably works hard and overtime, saving lives btw. So while his fundamental actions did drive the family apart the mother is more to blame in that she was unable to properly lock down her child. So I believe the fault for the adults is more like 55% endeavor 45% mother. the children did have some small part of responsibility but its so negligible because they were children that it doesn't matter. Yet it's telling how great they are as kids to hold themselves to the standard that they never even attempted to better the situation.
Why is nobody talking about Montana casually inventing a new word: Q U A R R I A G E? 😭
Well Enji is undeniable the root of the problems and drama of the Todoroki family I appreciate that the rest of the Family is willing to acknowledge that they're not totally blameless in this whole situation either they all could've done things differently they all could've done better well except Shoto of course he did nothing wrong and is the True Hero of the Family.
Something I always think to bring up is the title. This was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse. And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
Alright, that makes sense, though I still think placing the title "The Hellish Todoroki Family Part II" before this still feels weird, given how half of that episode was about Hawks.
I think touya was the one putting oil on himself over and over, endeavour avoided him because he can only show him the world of heroes that he cannot achieve so getting out of his life was endeavours way of making sure his oldest doesn't burn himself to death
@@munkhgalamarmend8809 It’s more like, Endeavor avoiding him was what poured the oil on. Metaphorically, he continued to fuel the fire unintentionally.
@@HaydrogenBomb I think they just really wanted to get both titles in and weren’t sure how so this is what we got 😅
Yes endeavor is the one who made Touya go crazy and become Dabi. But Dabi was the one who chose to kill people who had nothing to do with his family drama.
Toya was like - 5 when his hair began to lose color btw
I agree with you here l fell şad for him and his family too have nice day
Younger. Endeavor wanted more children only after it and Natsuo was born when Toya was 5. He would've been 4 when Rei got pregnant with Natsuo and likely 3-4 when his hair started to change
As someone who grew up in a strained household, I recognize I’m not to blame for the circumstances, but there are definitely things I did that really didn’t help situations or people. It’s a strange feeling.
This is a 3 parter between Endeavor’s perspective, the family’s perspective, and some extra plot points. This is the family’s perspective. Now I can’t deny that this whole situation gets sadder and scarier every step of the way. And even despite all of this, his family stands there with their own guilts some justified, some not. I gave the very specific way of showing Endeavor’s thought process the way I did because they CAN all stand before him. And if anything, after about a decade of being institutionalized, Rei very well could have figured it all out through all the rotten emotions while reflecting. Hence the flower that just has to mean “Let’s start over.” Since it’s the flower from the start of their relationship. Which Endeavor got for her while she was in the mental institution.
None of them are turning their backs on what was done. None of them are justifying Endeavor because even WITH good intentions and a logical mindset, the emotional execution of the decisions ruined ALL OF THEM. It doesn’t change Shoto was burdened with a dream and lesson not his responsibility. It doesn’t change Natsuo and Fuyumi were neglected. It doesn’t change Touya turned into Dabi BECAUSE of these decisions. It doesn’t change Rei spent a DECADE in an institution from hysterical fear of Endeavor, which turned to fear of Touya, and finally Shoto breaking her mind and spirit. NONE of that changes. But the Endeavor from back then is not the Endeavor we look at now. And that changes EVERYTHING. Not saying he doesn’t deserve the scorn he’s getting. He still does.
Rei knows how hard Endeavor tried to see her over the past decade and how he wanted to make amends and appears to be receptive of them. She has acknowledged before she has no idea how his mind works but she knows he’s always thinking about his family and wants to confront his past. So this appears to be the next step to learn how her husband’s mind works. (S4E25) She COULD have done more than just talk to Touya because those burns were just horrendous and the analogy is even more disturbing. It was far from only her responsibility like Endeavor said, but that doesn’t mean she LACKED responsibility. It’s true that Touya just looked down on every female in the family. But there just had to be other ways to approach Touya than what she did. And she admits she didn’t see her child in the way she needed to.
Natsuo even though he has the MOST resentment of Endeavor (not including Dabi. Now a serial murderer and one of the strongest villains) has at the VERY least shown cracks in his guard around the man. Even showing sadness when Endeavor decided to give the family a new home free of the painful memories of the past while staying there himself. (S5E18) Not necessarily the reason he was sad or upset because MAN ARE THERE OPTIONS. It was just the onscreen topic. Natsuo does feel guilt he didn’t try to talk to Touya to not go to the peak that day. As Natsuo was honestly one of the only people that could have talked him out of it since they were close. I don’t think he can justify being angry at himself over this. But I also get he recognizes he was in a position that could have made a difference in what was spiraling into an inevitability.
Fuyumi has seen her family as an act and acknowledged all she did was keep up appearances like she was on a stage. But now she can’t walk away from it. She tried harder than ANYONE to keep everyone together. And she may be getting her wish. She was in no position to help, played no part in hurting the family, and just because she pretended everything was fine made her feel guilty broke my heart. Justice for Fuyumi.
And Shoto underwent some INTENSE training as a child under Endeavor for these decisions but has acknowledged his teachings as beneficial now that he has accepted himself. And wants the whole family to take on Touya. Which everyone agrees to help Endeavor put himself back together so that can happen. (And while Natsuo says just until Touya is stopped, I’m not going to lie I think that is him as an individual, not a statement for the family.) Because Shoto is COMPLETELY removed from what went down with Touya and never had any role he could have filled but the one I implied that Endeavor wanted for him as a 5 year old. That also means he’s the least likely to be a trigger point for Touya. But at the same time there’s a whole OTHER issue that Touya has made clear he has plans for Shoto to show Endeavor. Shoto is absolutely the hero of the family to be so receptive to everyone in this situation though. Deku has made a HUGE impact on him.
Then there’s the subject of Dabi himself. We are missing a few blanks, like how he survived, where he’s been over the last decade, and many other situations. I will also state that clearly he WAS told not just by his parents but likely also the doctor about his quirk usage and he ignored it. He likely WAS told he can’t surpass All-Might which became a “I’ll prove you wrong” point. And he LOVED training. Despite EVERYTHING that came with it. People kept making crueler and blunter decisions on how to communicate with him, but I genuinely don’t know if it was even possible to stop him from the day Endeavor 1st started training with him. Don’t get me wrong Touya was wronged over and over and over again. But the kid himself propelled down a route that physically hurt him. It’s a parent’s job to help the kids pursue their dreams but I also 100% get the terror of doing that for this situation. (It’s not like being ready to douse him every two seconds was an option like a parent getting a bunch of safety equipment for a kid to train for extreme sports, the doctor LITERALLY said he shouldn’t be using the quirk at all. It’s like Deku’s lesson that not all people are created equal and learning it at age 5.) But then there’s one detail throughout this episode that has HAUNTING implications. His hair. Initially this was just a fix from a continuity error in season 2, but they leaned into it so hard it’s much like the 2nd and 3rd holder of OFA before they got designed. (The silhouettes in OFA) It was simple at 1st but became INCREDIBLY complex once Horikoshi made his decision how to work with it. Touya has a LARGE transformation in his hair the other 3 kids didn’t have. Even stopping on his hair being like Shoto’s for a few years. I’ve talked about DNA a number of times with the Todoroki drama and how Shoto’s quirk can be unshackled because it can’t work the way it’s currently shown in the show with quirks being DNA. Well this episode has me staring down the other siblings accounting for body development and their DNA. And since the rules apply to ALL of them. And that has TERRIFYING implications I have to leave alone.
I’ll just finish off by saying what I always have to for this story line. We as an audience don’t have any say in how this family gives Endeavor any kind of leeway despite all the horrors he has caused. We know there are healthier choices that this family can choose but they don’t choose them. (Like the family still being in contact with him AT ALL in the beginning of the show for instance) Society ordinarily will keep people like Endeavor entirely out of public eye or only with scorn. Fictional or not. I know MANY people will feel otherwise but based on the story’s direction, it’s better to bring this up now. The Todoroki’s standing here to support Endeavor despite EVERYTHING and prepare to face Touya as a family implies that this family will be resolved without them falling apart. And sticking it out entirely after any confrontation with the villains. Rei, Fuyumi, and Shoto specifically. Natsuo is a question mark and he has every right to be one.
It’s just a gigantic terrible combination of horrors.
I hope it's not wrong of me to say that I thought that very first interaction between Enji and Rei (asking her about the flowers) was . . . oddly wholesome.
Kudos to giving each family member their own paragraph, as well as citing back to episodes of previous seasons that developed this plotline, and I looked forward to hearing your future thoughts on it in season seven.
@ nah I think they were going to really try to make it work in the beginning so Enji paying attention to those flowers and taking interest in what she likes is shown. And Enji’s description of Rei Himura implies he is genuinely attracted to her. Like she needed a special care he wanted to pursue. (Sadly that didn’t stop him down the line)
There's truly an insane amount of parallels between Deku and Touya honestly, and I didn't really see it the first time around.
This show does parallels so well because sometimes it's almost shot for shot like Enji being a cautionary tale for Bakugo but sometimes it's more twisted and/or nuanced like Izuku and Toya and Izuku and Tenko/Tomura.
Montana seeing the rest of the Todoroki family express what they've done wrong and going "No, you're all wrong, it's all on Endeavor" is the response we've seen coming for 4 seasons
The kids did nothing wrong (except Toya once he becomes older obviously) but the mom is DEFINITELY to blame she literally has the most blame in the situation yet no one blames her
@WhatsIQ I'd compare it to not saving someone from a burning building. Like yeah, it's not your fault if they die, but you're probably going to feel a little guilty for it.
@@WhatsIQ The mom has the most blame? More than Endeavor? Get outta here, she played her part but that's ridiculous.
@@johnark4723 Ehh I'd say it's worse than that because he was part of the reason the person was in the building in that metaphor
@@IChoozUpikachu yes she was at home without Endeavor for most of Toya's childhood while he was out doing hero work yet she did nothing and whenever she had a chance to stand up to him when he was home and doing something wrong she refused to stand up to him
This episode is so haunting honestly
Not only that, the episode is hard to watch just in general
Is my top episode after 19 have nice day❤
You what the Todoroki plotline reminds me of?
Amon's backstory in Legend of Korra.
Think about it: abusive father has children for the sole purpose of carrying out his own ambitions, drives oldest son to supervillainy, it's all there.
Heck, I think this even applies (to a MUCH lesser extent, mind you) to Aang and his kids. Not that he was anywhere NEAR as bad of a father as Endeavor or Yakone (Amon's dad, FYI), but at the end of the day, half the reason he wanted mids was to carry on the legacy of airbenders, and when he got that with his youngest son Tenzin, he unintentionally made his first children Bumi and Kya feel neglected, though again, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS BAD as how Endeavor was with Toya, Fuyumi, Natsuo, and Shoto.
Just some interesting parallels I thought of.
And the worst part about Aang: I completely understand him. He was the last airbenders. He needed a child that can airbend properly and is spiritually open not just to save his culture, but for the world too. Who was going to teach the next avatar airbending? And where was the next air avatar going to to come from. That's also why Tenzin had to sacrifice his relationship with Lin.
@valentinkambushev4968 Exactly. Endeavor and Yakone had kids for their own pride, but Aang's reasoning was far less sinister and far more complicated.
Like, him favoring Tenzin isn't fair, but it also . . . kinda is?
I dunno. It's a complex situation to talk about.
@@valentinkambushev4968 why'd he have to sacrifice his relationship with Lin? Because she couldn't settle down into a peaceful life/didn't want kids? I don't remember them specifically addressing that but it makes sense. All I remember is Pema came along like a wrecking ball lmao
@@Yewtewba It's because she was an earthbender, Tenzin needed to be with a non-bender in order to make sure as many kids ended as airbenders as possible.
As someone who heavily relates to the Todoroki family storyline, this episode was a tough one to get through tbh
I agree with you here l fell şad for toya and his mother and his bother too is my top sotry in MHA have nice day❤
Same
Sorry to hear that, but I'm glad that this video and this channel is a place where you and others can feel comfortable talking about such things.
god too fucking real my family is a less rich and less wife beaty more child beaty version of the todorokis
This is WITHOUT question the most complicated episode to write about. Getting to talk about all the different perspectives and angles in this family is always complicated…and providing any kind of leniency to any given thought process in this episode full of terrors is just asking for trouble. But I also think this episode is not one anything should be simplified either. Because it’s an extremely carefully layered nightmare with one terrible decision after the next. Even though each decision I also don’t think is lazily made but they never had the ability or capacity to allow their plans to come to fruition as intended (but COULD have worked with the right people and right approach.) and only further buried it into the clusterf- that is the Todoroki family. Today has to be a 3 parter. And I’ll split between Endeavor’s role, the family role, and what follows those scenes.
Let’s just start with Endeavor’s role/perspective. We have spent 3 seasons showing how Endeavor is a “changed” man truly “trying” his best to atone for his sins. (It’s a learning curve. Guy is an emotional moron and I just don’t see that ever changing) And he has made a few positive steps like getting his family out of the house full of the bad memories. And is trying to see the perspectives of his family members. Well over a decade late. We have to do one of the hardest things and take a REALLY good long look at what Endeavor was prior to All-Might’s retirement. And see what he tried to do.
When this started, it is as far from innocent as it gets. He approached a formerly prestigious family with his own wealth and status in exchange for a quirk marriage, which is an arranged marriage taken a step further for making very specific children. (Kinda like how a royal will only marry into other strong prestigious family’s to improve their blood line. Luckily that is waning a tad even if still frowned upon choosing an alternative for some reason. Sadly the Himura clan is far from unfamiliar with such circumstances I’ll put it that way.) Endeavor has already realized he on a personal level can’t surpass All-Might due to 2 things. Longevity and power. He can get CLOSE for one (He was wrong. He too had no clue All-Might was 60x stronger back then and that’s why he had no clue All-Might had gotten injured and couldn’t use all his power until the day he retired.) but can’t manage longevity because of something VERY relevant to this episode. His quirk recoil. So he sought a way to remove the one he THOUGHT was the only one he couldn’t resolve. And that’s why he went to Rei Himura.
Touya and Fuyumi were born around the same time for the same reason. This was the passion project to surpass All-Might. But even though he didn’t get the half-cold half-hot quirk for them, he was happy with that regardless, because Touya’s fire was so strong Endeavor decided this was gonna be the child he wanted to train to be a hero, and he didn’t need to go for the quirk he thought was necessary. (In this era, there are shots of Endeavor training Touya, with both of them loving the time they spent together. This is likely the family at its healthiest back then bad motives or no. He likely told Touya, hey if I got this close to beating All-Might, with your fire naturally better than mine I think you can surpass him one day! With family therapy in this era I think this is the ONLY point that this family could’ve been spared its nightmares) But that all went COMPLETELY out the window once the doctor gave him the worst news possible. Touya does indeed have greater fire, but with his ice resistance, that means his quirk recoil is WAY worse than Endeavor’s. The very thing Endeavor had been obsessively been trying to temper in his own pursuit of surpassing All-Might. And with a doctor’s order no less to tell him he can’t be using such an unstable quirk…everything went completely downhill from there. (Just keep in mind a DOCTOR told the parents don’t let him use his quirk)
Upon hearing the doctor’s orders, Endeavor starts to distance himself from Touya. He stopped training the kid and even discussed it was due to the recoil, but Touya with the dream of being a hero better than All-Might ignored that information and continued to train because of the early promise. And THAT was the point literally EVERYTHING changed. Although Endeavor’s hero efforts never changed, his family efforts had become COMPLETELY different. Touya was burning himself EVERYDAY as he trained and Endeavor knew how much it hurt the poor kid and he remarked literally every day he found his son covered in new burns. The harder Endeavor tried to surpass All-Might, the more he understood how much Touya was pushing himself AND hurting himself by proxy. So he thinks back to what started Touya’s efforts and tries his hardest to show Touya he can’t do what they originally believed. But he didn’t listen. And THAT is when Endeavor made his next big move. If you can’t see the balance needed to grow, I’ll have to show you someone who can.
That’s when Natsuo and Shoto were born. And Touya understood one thing. He was being replaced. But he STILL didn’t give up. Instead of seeing Shoto as the knowledge he couldn’t create the balance Shoto would one day be able to, he took it as a challenge for ANOTHER thing to surpass. (You may notice that when Touya attacks Shoto, Endeavor stops him…with a burn on his arm. A fully trained Endeavor is having trouble withstanding Touya’s fire even WITH the heat resistance. Showing JUST how bad this recoil is for Touya) And it keeps going with Rei and Endeavor trying EVERYTHING to get him to stop. Endeavor distancing himself more out of fear if he gives Touya the same attention he wants, he will work even HARDER hurting himself even more. And keeps Shoto from the other kids in case the other kids or if Touya persists in perceiving him as a threat.
All this time the home is getting more and more toxic. Touya is at the forefront of nearly every decision even if it ALWAYS ends up worse, Fuyumi and Natsuo are neglected because they are simply not a factor in getting Touya to stop, Shoto is being trained ALREADY at an age WAY too young, Rei and Endeavor can’t communicate at all and it turns from extreme verbal issues to physical. Rei eventually breaks and is institutionalized from burning Shoto. I seem to recall Endeavor saying it was moronic to hurt Shoto at such a crucial point. And considering Shoto’s age, I don’t think I can take that as the All-Might goal which is why I knew it had to be related to Touya. So he must’ve been getting ready to give Touya a very blunt and visual lesson with Shoto around that point so that way Touya can see his recoil a bit better and treat it with the necessary care. (I also recall a scene where Endeavor says why he “made” Shoto to All-Might, and with what he had to hide and depths this was at, that was his INNOCENT explanation)
Now I’ve spent this ENTIRE analysis justifying Endeavor’s thought process. Because each and every point leads to the next in what is honestly a logical train of thought. That being said, the emotional care for this situation is GARBAGE and it’s why EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THIS ironically backfired. Endeavor has TERRIBLE emotional control. His control is preventing any and all vulnerability coming loose, so he shows sorrow, and much worse fear in its covered up state. And that emotion is anger. That’s the key to anger. Anger isn’t a raw emotion, it’s a mask covering one you don’t want to address or understand. But because Endeavor was trying so hard to not be afraid or sad it came off as the uncontrollable anger and for the kids he WASN’T paying attention to, cold indifference.
But when you look at Endeavor’s face when he sees the Sekoto Peak fire, it’s ANYTHING but a lack of care. This is the very thing the doctor warned, and what Endeavor tried to prevent for TEN YEARS. I recall in season 5 he was on his knees apologizing to Natsuo saying he never meant to neglect Fuyumi and Natsuo. But he was so hyper focused on Touya and Shoto, specifically Touya if anything, that’s how it turned out. This is the fairest I can be to Endeavor while also just saying, YEAH YOU STILL RUINED YOUR FAMILY AND THERE’S NO GOING BACK.
Alright, I'd say that was all pretty fair and justified critique of Endeavor while still looking at the situation objectively.
Though, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by Shoto being used to teach Toya to stop. Could you elaborate?
Also, I'm pretty sure it's hinted at if not outright confirmed that Geten is part of the Rei's family. Any chance her situation could've been a factor in driving him to the MLA? Cause he was more anti-Pro than most during the war.
@@HaydrogenBomb I think Touya had a complete lack of understanding of what a quirk recoil was in general. And Endeavor, Rei, Fuyumi, and Natsuo all have the exact same kind of recoil. Heat up/cool off too much, you burn or get frostbite. And any explanation of showing Touya that with them, Touya is at the point where he says but I’m just stronger than them, I can tolerate more than you can. And Shoto completely mitigating it with his quirk and all he has to do is balance right, it would finally be a physical representation Touya could understand from Endeavor’s perspective. But honestly it would likely just be ANOTHER challenge to surpass, but maybe Endeavor was hoping he would search out ways to make his fire NOT burn him. Or perhaps even properly safe to train him again. I’m not sure. It’s hard to say Endeavor’s endgame when things swiveled so far away from his initial intentions.
As for Geten, I plan on speaking about him in time, but not til later.
@@Kaempfdog Not sure what else there is to say about Geten. Not like he pops up in the story again, right?
@@HaydrogenBomb there’s actually an entire segment I have planned for a season 7 episode. I can’t say anything more than that
Ok, now I can FINALLY talk about other things than the Todoroki drama. (I have 2 other parts for Endeavor’s perspective and the Family perspective because all of them are important to keep in mind)
Rei gets on her knees in the same bow for Best Jeanist and Hawks as All-Might did to Inko when he pleaded with her to let him be Deku’s father figure in more official capacity. It’s seen as the highest respect in Japan and you can go your entire life without seeing someone do it. And Hawks and Best Jeanist freak out because they don’t want to lecture the family about their drama and more want to figure out what to do with it. So that is their current investigation and they know Dabi’s story isn’t done coming out yet with a decade long blank.
Far more pressing though is THE most alarming moment of the entire war arc they need answers for. For them, they have no context. But a super villain that is the 2nd AFO rose with the purpose of destroying society in revenge for his past and society rejecting him when he needed help. And yet, when faced with the #1 hero who is both his biggest fight AND biggest opportunity to do damage out the gate, what does he do? He mutters something about OFA and proceeds to IGNORE the #1 hero to move the ENTIRE ground zero not to the evacuees for maximum casualties, but very specifically one 16 year old kid who had no reason to be on the battlefield. This kid out of NOWHERE makes a beeline across the battlefield and ground zero actively FOLLOWS HIM. That is UNHEARD OF for these top heroes and COMPLETELY nonsensical.
When Endeavor gives it reflection, he realizes the timing of Shigaraki ignoring him and Deku making a run for it. Deku was his TARGET. This kid who has had ZERO connection but a few short encounters of Shigaraki just being chaotic boils down to this kid being the FIRST THING he goes after when he wakes up with COUNTLESS quirks. Why does he care? Deku’s a tough kid, but he’s not the strongest by any stretch for pros, even if he is UNREASONABLY strong for his age and FAST approaching their range. And now they have to talk to him because there is ZERO reason for him to run during their conversations except when One For All was mentioned. The press is already freaking out that One For All is some kind of terrifying connection to All For One. (I lowkey love that the family is still there hearing them speculate)
While the necessity for the heroes to know grows more important in these times, it is more important than EVER to hide OFA from the public. The entire war arc, every piece the villains had made and added to their arsenal was for the EXPRESS PURPOSE to face OFA. If it comes out, that means the blame for the war will fall on OFA BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE VICTIM BLAMING IN THIS SHOW AND THIS WORLD’S PRESS IS TERRIBLE. That means All-Might and Deku will likely be blamed for the war.
In a few minutes of contemplation, the heroes have figured out more about OFA than the last 200 YEARS of it hiding. And the strangest thing is that it didn’t come from ANY of the assumed weak points in the hiding across this show. Bakugo didn’t spill the beans, Deku didn’t blow his cover, and his past as quirkless was never uncovered at any juncture in this show. NONE OF THOSE things occurred. What did it was Season 3. One of the most soul crushing moments in All-Might’s last stand. “I wasn’t sure until you and I exchanged blows tonight All-Might. But now I am. One For All no longer resides within you. What you are using is the lingering ghost fighting from going out. And even now it’s trying to rekindle itself to fulfill its duty. IZUKU MIDORIYA! HE is the boy you passed OFA on to! You have no control of him do you? Looks like you will die full of regrets All-Might! A failure as a mentor AND as a teacher!” While that moment is still full of nuance and we don’t know for certain what he saw in that moment, (did he see Deku with stockpile and All-Might without it? Did he see them BOTH with Stockpile and he knew All-Might’s wouldn’t last based on that moment?) and AFO while has seen OFA longer than anyone, is also the most confused by it. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t make the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario occur INSTANTANEOUSLY that has persisted since that occurred. Aside public opinion pressure getting piled on, there is NOTHING more terrifying than this man knowing who his true opponent is. Critical mass has been reached and perpetuated for a LONG TIME now that there are TWO AFO’s.
AND BAKUGO STILL ISN’T HELPING. XD I have spoken at length about Bakugo and Deku REMAINING toxic but having this kid STILL deciding NOW is the time to go in and scream at his comatose teammate ABOUT HIS PUNCTUALITY IN WAKING UP CAUSING A TEAM OF CLASSMATES TYING HIM UP AND REMOVING HIM BY FORCE. That is a HEARTBREAKING reality that even in this awful moment he can’t ease up. That’s not posturing. Even if it’s out of care for his teammate. Guys I know he’s the favorite character of the show, but how do you justify this 16 year old trying to barge into Deku’s hospital room to scream at him, scaring the hospital staff, Deku’s ACTUAL two closest friends in the class saying we thought he’d ease up in this scenario, and if god forbid his mom was there or if the doctors were working on his body in that hospital room which Bakugo CAN’T POSSIBLY KNOW BUT IS PURSUING THIS ANYWAY with actions where if I were Inko seeing that, would cause me to file for a restraining order IMMEDIATELY?! I was VERY satisfied watching him get dragged away by Tsu, Sato, and Mineta. And Best Jeanist calling him his full hero name. Which I’m pretty sure he’s saying it like that on purpose so Bakugo knows to cut it down to just Dynamight eventually.
What is a lot more sad is Iida and Uraraka who ARE actually loving and supportive for Deku and are capable of showing it unconditionally, can’t sit by him while he’s comatose which both CLEARLY want to do. Not that I don’t get that All-Might wants to try and sense the OFA conversation. Which IS necessary. And once again ringing my alarm bells that he thinks he CAN and maybe even succeeding to some level. Yet another hint that All-Might may not have lost OFA for good even if he can’t physically channel the energy with his body so wrecked.
Next episode, we are looking like a big OFA lore episode. That’s going to be fun.
To be fair, if anyone was going to be loud enough to yell someone out of a coma, it would be Bakugo
@@AZDfoxXD I mean you’re not wrong but it doesn’t make it any less ok.
Absolutely,i love bakugo but if that boy had a Wisdom score it would be an 6 just like Enji 😂@Kaempfdog
@@paulosebastiao2887 I’m in agreement on that. I never doubt his strength and battle prowess/intelligence, I never doubt his ability to get along with certain characters, but not having basic hospital etiquette down at 16 is a pretty big signal you shouldn’t write it off as it’s just how he is that can’t be just blanketed over the entirety of his understanding. (And ESPECIALLY when it comes to Deku)
Is it wrong for me to say that I thought that very first interaction between Enji and Rei was . . . oddly wholesome?
Is that allowed, given what all this turned in to?
If you ignore the circumstances and undertones I guess?
He bought her. That was pretty common up until recently (and it's still practiced in some places). As f-ed up as it is, it didn't always end up badly. Certainly a better method than the one my great great grandfather used to get a wife (and failed).
It was it's not like Enji forced her to do anything she had every choice and at the beginning it started out as a beautiful relationship with scummy parents who forced it to go way to fast and for all the wrong reasons.
@@valentinkambushev4968 The mom had plenty of choices he didn't "buy her" she still had rights and had every choice in the matter
@@WhatsIQ I just checked. You’re the person on AliciaxLife’s channel who said that Rei was worse than Enji and he never hit her. I’m happy that she deleted your comments ngl
Fuyumi and Natsu aren't taking all of the blame for Endeavor, Natsu tells him it's all still his fault. But I think it makes sense for these kids to feel some responsibility when something like Toya's reveal happens. Obviously they're gonna be thinking of all the could've 's would've 's and should've 's. I think that's just a natural response.
And we got these responses AFTER we saw an objective view of the situation. The narrative isn't putting responsibility on them, but the characters do.
I think it's more so that there's nobody there to tell them that they shouldn't blame themselves. Like, we the audience know that they were just children and it makes sense for them to feel guilt, since it's normal to see victims blame themselves.
My perspective on the whole "taking the blame" thing is not that they are saying we fucked up just like you (Endeavor) did. Those are kind of two separate things. Endeavour fucked up Toya mentally. That's for sure his fault. With Natsu, it's more of a "I could have stopped Toya from going to that mountain if I had I talked with him".
Watching you guy's discuss just occurred to me that Endeavor-Toya/Dabi issue is very similar to Master Sifu-Tai Lung (Kung fu panda), though less extreme on the father side. Tai Lung even mentioned it in the similar way Toya did, something along the lines of: "You light up this fire in me."
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14:58 yes Endeavour was being a dick here no question but now you have seen how Touya went after Shoto that there was also a side of this training that was to protect Shoto from Touya lashing out at him again
Yeah people don't seem to get the reasoning all makes sense it's just the way he goes about it that is VERY wrong which is why he struggles to completely separate from it like Hawks does
@@Wezt334 What people tend to forget is though is that Toya attacking Shoto was almost completely Enji’s fault. And his response after this was completely wrong. The mentality of “I have to protect this child from the other child” is inherently wrong and toxic for a parent to have. Not to mention that he saw Shoto as a “masterpiece,” not a son. He was a pretty sinister person.
@ which is my point, you view it one way however it can also be viewed another way. Endeavour did wrong here there’s no question in that the character himself admits as much but it can be viewed in a different perspective that this was his way of protecting the children from each other. This is reflective of many parents out there who make the wrong choice when raising their children but at the time they view it as the correct one. I’m not saying your wrong I’m just saying it’s not exactly black and white and seeing it one way only is more reflective of the reader or viewers own life view
@@Wezt334 That’s fair. I do think that this ultimately speaks to what kind of person Enji is though. The fact that his response was to isolate a child definitely shows how little empathy he has. It’s just interesting when we put it in the context of “he genuinely believed he was doing the right thing” in this case.
@@You-Tube-n5k I’d argue only that you are saying this is who he is however by nature of the flash back and his admittance that he was wrong this shows who he was not who he currently is
0:05 I LOVE THE SOUND OF FIRE ALARMS IN THE BACKGROUND
Such a neat detail
SYMBOLISM
Given how we've learned that quirks affect personality, does that mean that Endeavour's fire quirk gave him a burning desire and anger that lead to him wanting to be the best at any cost? Meaning he could also be a victim of his own quirk?
It definitely influenced him but he was fully aware of his actions and intentions
I dont think Rei's trauma was talked about enough tbh
It's not all shifting blame, to an extent it's them saying "there's stuff we all could have done better to avoid this outcome, we can't change that now, but we have to fix it"
Can’t wait to see ur season 7 todoroki family episodes’ reaction. It’s peak drama!
At 9:47 I understood what he meant That, even if he tries to let it go the other kids will speak to each other or him about how they’ll become great heroes one day, and then one of them will say why is it that you can’t be a hero even when your dad’s the best hero in Japan Why do you even have his power? To toya what was even the point of his existence knowing that his father put hard work for him the moment he was born he can’t forget that. Yeah That just sounds really tough right there and That’s how he got crazy
This "Endeavor sucks as a person" counter is getting really high 😂
Damn, this show has an incredible amount of detail, double-meanings, and parallels that give it so much rewatch value. I know I pick up on something new every time I watch it. And both Kenny and Montana picked up on things that I'd never even thought of this time around too! This show never ceases to amaze me!!!
(PS: I don't know a whole ton about Japanese culture, but I know there's an attitude in Japan about families being collectively responsible for the actions of one of their own. That's probably where that "shared blame" comes in, even though it feels unfair to some of us in other countries)
2:28 “a quiarriage” omg that’s brilliant! They should of called it that from the beginning 😂😂😂😂
Nah, that sounds too goofy and kinda undermines the serious and messed up nature of the situation.
@ rly? U think? Ehhh maybe….but it was still a cool pun.
11:25 i dont se it as endovor only caring about shoto as we see toya leap at shoto i i think heae trying to keep him safe because its clear Toya was trying to kill shoto because he feels shoto is replacing him and hes afraid the other kids see it that way to and will try to kill shoto.
If he cared for Toya he would have isolated him instead of Shoto, shows he didn’t care for helping Toya or saving his other kids, just wanted to preserve his masterpiece. In general if you have a problem with a child, you don’t isolate the child without the problem, you help the child showing issues
@LettsReact that I understand but I do think well it was wrong he was trying to help with the situation but his obsession with making the strongest child made him think that keeping shoto separate would solve the problem instead of actually dealing with the problem.
I feel like Montana misses the point with the Todoroki story line entirely because she has such a hate b*ner for Endeavor. And then saying that them taking responsibility is due to selfish motives is wild 😂
Yep, this was the other ep I was looking forward to seeing Montana's views on. 😉
Anyway, as far as the "victim blaming" view is concerned, I think (and anyone is more than welcome to correct me on this,) this is slightly more of a culture-specific issue. That is, in Japan and many other Asian countries, the concept of filial piety (basically honoring your parents/ancestors) is still prevalent nowadays, though not as strongly as it used to be. It's pointed out this very episode that Rei's family was once a prestigious one, so they may very well have retained similar values of being filial up to the present generation.... which I think is pretty well evidenced by the fact that Rei allowed herself to be "sold" to Endeavor by her parents. Those same values could also explain why the Todoroki kids felt the need to shoulder some of their father's burden, despite being victims of his crappy parenting themselves. Again, I could be totally off the mark on this, but I still think that's one possible take on this situation.....
In terms of the siblings I don't think it's anything that deep. If you take a look at what they say and what happens in the flashbacks I genuinely think it's that simple for them.
Natsu feels like if he didn't ignore Toya when he was venting to him, he probably wouldn't have felt alone and ignored enough to always want to please his dad.
Fuyumi always either agreed with their dad or acted like everything was fine. So she probably feels that by not acknowledging how fucked up the situation is, she was gaslighting Toya.
It's not victim blaming, it's simply the family acknowledging that even though the entire thing is in fact Endeavor's fault, they can see how certain things that they did contributed to Toya's mental decline, the rest of them turned out well enough and they think that if they had been more supportive then at the very least, Toya wouldn't have become a villian.
That's not the same as saying they have some blame in this. In line with the episode name, Endeavor started the fire and is therefore to blame, but the rest of them saw the fire too and chose to ignore it and now feel guilty about how many people it's killed. They're seeing the ways that they could've reduced the fire as individuals and maybe they could've stopped it even though it wasn't their responsibility to.
I can completely understand that feeling. Just because some something isn't your fault, doesn't mean you won't feel some need to have made things better.
The Todoroki Family's story truly is one of the best in the series!
This gonna be a banger
So something i just considered...
How does Hawks put on a shirt?
He can separate his feathers from his back remember?
To add onto what the other guy said, maybe he fully detached all his feathers then re-attaches them
Ah. I ask that question everytime I watched Justice League/Unlimited
He has holes for his wings to pass through
I saw the 4th movie and they arent ready
It's funny that I'm watching Toya Todoroki origin on my birthday. What a world we live in.
I love how as soon as the audience starts to feel a BIT bad for Endevour, Horokoshi immediately shows this to remind us of the monster he is. This episode is very hard to watch, but I feel it’s necessary to pay extreme attention to it. It’s this episode the reminds us how horrible Endevour is, and how much he’s grown.
The ice dude Geto is Shoto’s mom cousins
It's Geten
Endeavour was awful every one gets that but let me say this as a kid who was abused by both parents, I never really blame my parents because they were young and dumb and were not ready for a kid, but seeing endeavour in that scene asking touya to stop it seems like endeavour really cared for touya and didn't want him Hurting himself. And after touya's supposed death endeavour really grieves him. He was awful but not as awful as people tell him out to be. I think the one to really blame is touya, he was obsessed with that unattainable goal which then got himself killed and to put all that blame on endeavour just kinda seems ridiculous.
Finally....a sensible person
Exactly. And the biggest thing no one understands is that you can't blame the current person for the mistakes they made in the past when they are already atoning. I'll never understand how people can simultaneously believe people can change but then always blame them for the worst things they've done in their past instead of the worst/best things they're doing NOW.
Yes!! I think endeavor does genuinely care at least a little bit that Touya wasn't hurt or hurting others
He just has a genuine cluelessness on what the right thing is for his family. Which doesn't mean he's innocent. I saw him separating out Shoto from the rest as "well he's the one in danger with Touya, so I have to protect him"
Obviously not good for Shoto or his health, but endeavor seemed to be trying? Doesn't mean he deserves forgiveness or is owed anything from his kids, but doesn't deserve complete villainization if that makes sense
Im sure they'll skip responding to yours. She's mentioned in various videos having issues with her father in real life. Ao characters like Endeavor, Omniman, etc... will never get a fair shake during their redemption arcs because of her traumas + biases
Endeavor was awful and it was as awful as people make him out to be, it just didn't really kicked off until Toya died. You can't blame a child for your incompetence at parenting. Toya now sure is crazy but this doesn't apply to when he was kid. Of course Endeavor is a "good person" he was the number two hero but this doesn't excuse all his selfish mistakes and awful things he did, he cared about Toya, still failed completely at being a father to him and continues to go downhill after his "death" until recently so the hate he gets is completely valid.
Originally "Ground Zero" was a concept for Bakugos hero name. Dynamight works so much better though.
This makes me so excited for their season 7 reaction
It's crazy that Deku was beating himself up after his tournament fight with Shoto, saying he should've minded his own business, and in the words of All-might, "meddling where you're not supposed to is the essence of being a hero" is what kept Shoto from ending up like Touya.
Every time we get a new glimpse into the Todoroki household, we see the way Endeavor's abuse destroyed the lives of all of his family members, and every time it's more terrifying. Seeing Shoto's training regimen for the first time was horrifying enough, and how awful Touya's whole life doesn't even need to be mentioned, but I thought that look Endeavor gave Rei was by far the most terrifying thing about the whole episode, and it gave me a feeling I have rarely felt watching this show. And it screams its message but also shows it in a subtle way; the way Endeavor looks at Rei, seeing Rei's eyes widen and then cutting to baby Shoto and Rei looking exhausted is *masterful* visual storytelling. And it's so awful because it's real, and happens so often that it's sickening.
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(@ 21.00) The bird perched on a shoulder. Done worry, he's as light as a feather.
Hey @LettsReact, you might wanna double check your microphones, there appears to be some distortion in the left audio channel. Noticeably it's not present during Michaela Murphy's recorded introduction.
Kenny, youll be able to watch the 4th movie whenever its available cause its set between ep 4 and 5 of S7, you could watch it after S7 if you want but its set between those episodes
All endeavor had to do was continue to train toya with safety in mind. The problem is that he immediately rejected him from the path he was raised his whole life on. This story resonates deeply with others because many people project their desires on their children. When in reality a parents only goal for their children should be that they are happy. That is the mark of a hero parent.
Now that I’m rewatching this it makes me wonder if edevour had trained with toya and trained him to control his emotions if he could’ve controlled the flames to be atleast as effective as edevour maybe not burn himself or explode in power in vital moments he could’ve been a hero then
Seeing the way Endeavor tried to resolve the situation with Toya still wanting to train makes me wonder if that fed into his treatment of Shoto.
When parenting, you can't truly reason with kids - when trying to teach or lay out rules, you lay out simplified versions of the logic behind the things (don't steal that other kid's toy, because how would you feel if he stole your toy?), and how simplified will vary based on the age of the child, but parents will always run into situations where they need to put their foot down on the basis of, "I am the parent and you are the child and you will do what you are told." Endeavor's approach of basic, to-the-point conversations with Toya, basically saying, "It's too dangerous, no more training," and leaving it at that was clearly not enough, and I wonder if Endeavor looked at that and said, "I was too soft on Toya and did not do enough to take control of the situation," and then went too far in the other direction with Shoto.
Yeah. Let's start talking about how ironic their Hero names is. Deku had been All Might's biggest fan (Bakugo is too but Deku just on another level).
But Deku's name is influenced by Bakugo (who appeared to be bigger influence in his life than All Might), and Bakugo paid homage to All Might's name.
The reason shoto was isolated is cause toya literally tried to kill him as a baby because he was better. How does no one see that
keeping up with the todorokis is getting firey
I mean, just imagine you're Toya. First born, told you will pass All Might because of your talent. Then, I told that your dream is unattainable because your body can't hamdke your quirk. Meanwhile, your dad is still forcing your mom to try and produce the perfect offspring. Not only does Toya keep on being reminded that in his dads eyes, he's a failure but that he's almost being tossed aside. Endeavor almost treated his children like how kids treat toys, its really fun at first, but then when something cooler comes along, they forget all about the original.
Toya just wanted attention from his dad, for Endeavor to acknowledge him. However, him being a hero meant that he couldn't, thus almost abandoning him in a way. If Endeavor was around more than maybe, he could have pulled Touya aside and say "hey you can't be a hero, but that's okay, I'll be proud of you no matter what you do". But he was so consumed with being the #1 hero he could only look at it from a "hero's" perspective, and that only made it that much worse.
This episode hit me big since there was a chance this was almost my family.
I do want to know how Enji was supposed to handle this in a safe way but still properly address Touya's needs and happiness. He wanted to impress his father, but it was really hurting him. Montana did catch it, Enji told Touya that he couldn't pursue that dream anymore like Inko told Izuku that he couldn['t be a hero. Although, Enji was a the worst in personality, but what other than that, what is the difference in what they told their children and the result.
I also like the Kenny connect made with Touya and Deku's quirk hurting them and treated differently.
I thought that Fuyumi knew a little of her father because she and Touya were only a year apart so there could have been some interactions. Though again, she was really young before it all went to hell, so I guess she has little memories of it.
Montana is little prepared for ONE FO ALL future.
The flashbacks show that things arent so simple. Everyone has some blame. Endeavor had moments of being a good husband and father. Of caring for Toya. One of his anger sources being that he doesnt want Toya to be hurt. He also snapped at his wife and drilled Toya+shoto, and isolated Shoto. The wife was too passive when her kid was off the rails. And we cant forget that SOME of this was Toya's own fault and choices. And Endeavor never really taught him that random misogyny that begins to show up in Toya's speech. Toya/Dabi is the only person in all of MHA doing that
the todoroki arc is peak of mha. so. tragic and depressing
Saying the kids shouldn't be taking any responsibility for Toya seems odd to me. Sure, they were kids, and maybe didn't know better, but they still could have done something. Natsuo specifically pointed out how he should have knocked some sense into Toya, instead of just letting him fester. That couldn't, reasonably, have been expected of the kids, but they still could have done it.
Saying the kids shouldn't take responsibility because they couldn't have known better is like saying Endeavor shouldn't take responsibility because that's just the kind of person he was at the time, and couldn't have done better.
Recognizing where you could have been better, but weren't, is how you grow. Pretending like you never could have done/been any better than you did/were is how you stagnate, and become worse as a person. It's good that they're all taking responsibility, and working to improve things, it shows growth. Taking responsibility is underrated.
Kinda hot take incoming? I don't think it's victimblaming. I think it's more from the perspective they have their regrets and feelings about this situation and desire to make things different. It's also showing us that their personalities are much more than theirs traumas. This episode also showed how complex Rei's character, her motivation and mentality is. And the moment when she honestly and without fear tells Enji how repulsive he were to her back than shows how she changed too.
About Deku's quirk - it also was pointed in the Endeavor agensy arc where he Endeavor said that he has a dangerous quirk which hurts him and by his expression (especially in the manga) you can tell he thought of Touya. But Deku quirk is like 7 in 1 and he can use it after some training. It was different for Touya. I don't think the special suit can change anything is this case. Suit can't change a genetics itself, which was the problem in this situation (I hope they'll animate explanation from manga). Suit can be used only as a support to lower the problem (for example, even Endeavor's hero suit has an elements for him not to overheat, but it can't solve the problem completly). The only normal way I could think of to solve this problem was to get Touya to psychologist, but ofc no one did so cause adults in this situation wasn't mentaly stable as well
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It's interesting to see the comparison and differences between different situations and families. I always think the blame compairison, fwiw, is interesting when you compare it to Shiguraki's family. In both cases, the father is clearly the one most at fault. But, at the same time, the rest of the family isn't completely blameless. And, depressingly, Endeavor is actually being the better father here, even if he is abusing his son he's abusing his son less (Lord I hate saying that like it's somehow a real excuse) and he's doing it to protect him from being a PHYSICAL danger to himself rather than some sort of more nebulous psychological/philosophical objection. It's f'ed up, and he badly deserves or needed a bunch of slaps to the head the head for his methodology, but you can actually see what he was trying to do, and a lot of the intent wasn't bad no matter how STUPIDLY he went about it. "I don't want my son to hurt himself with his power" okay... good "I should try to get him to move away from this and get on with his life" alright... I like where you're going here "I'll try to force him to spend time with his siblings and other people. And as part of that I'll completely ignore him and his power to try and discourage him" NO! BAD BOY! NO BISCUIT!
Is it sad that Shoto actually seems to have a better father than a lot of the ones we've seen in this series? I don't just mean Shigaraki. Compared to Hawks, Eri, and even Deku? I mean, that's like a net mark of 0.1% as opposed to zero. But at least in a twisted way Shoto's father was there for him, and encouraged him even when he was being a completely abusive and projective parent and at least tries to change his ways, understand his son, and be a better person. Deku... yeah, there's yet another reason he's so obsessed with All Might.
Fun fact: Remember, Bakugo idolizes All Might. Or, in Japanese, "Ōru *Maito!*"
And Bakugo's hero name, in Japanese, ends in "Daina*maito!*"
It does in english too "Dyna*Might*"
THE VIGILANTE ARC BEGINS!!!!
You guys are going to be shocked in the next episode 😎😎😎😎
his hair changing color im pretty sure is an anime only thing cause they accidentally made it red in the second season edit: nvm check replies
I do like that they have it, it’s a cool detail and it fixes the plot hole while adding to the character
It's like this in the manga too. Toya's hair starts off being drawn dark with specks of white and eventually becomes completely white
@@JP-hk6xw didnt know that whoops, spreading misinformation by accident
@@JP-hk6xw looked more into it. The color change is part of the manga as you said (im an anime only so i didnt know about that lol) but i was referring to the fact that earlier in the manga toyas hair is white in that flashback where hes playing with his siblings, wherein the anime its red. Whether or not horikoshi added the red to white color change as a way to patch the anime mistake or for some other reason Im not sure. In the future I should probably double check before i say things...
@@mrman3515 Oh I see what you're getting at now, that honestly could be what happened. Horikoshi already set up that Toya's hair was white, so why would he create a red to white transition in the later chapters other than to "fix" the anime giving him red hair?
Wait so Kenny watched season 7 as well? Is he all the way caught up with the anime now or just watched few eps of it?
They've started watching s7 on patreon together, he's going in blind like Montana
A quarriage *laughing emoji*
Has Kenny seen season 7?? Or is he waiting so that both of them can watch it together??
Kenny did not watch any of season 7! Gonna be a total blind reaction!
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I don't think Endeavor really did much wrong except when he hit his wife. He just needed to be a bit calmer and breathe.
I think he was just frustrated by Toya not listening, the fact that he disappointed both of them with the bad quirk, and All Mights success. He was right to separate himself and his hero work from Toya and not give in to Toya's self harm. He probably should have went to the Peak and talked to him more about it though, but Endeavor was just too focused on his endeavor and in his own world.
@@annawehmeyer if you think endeavor did nothing wrong here but hit his wide that one time, you need to rewatch and reevaluate tbh
@@LettsReactI just think almost all of us get preoccupied or frustrated by stuff and forget to pay attention to those we love. I mostly blame Toya for a lot of the chaos. Not much a parent can do when their child insists on harming themselves and being psychotic. Endeavor was being calm and trying to take the burden off of him, at first at least, but Toya was insistent on putting it on himself and being the victim.
Then you need to learn what abusive households are like before you hurt someone. Because Endeavor was a text book abuser in every definetion no getting around that and the family is right to be mad at him over it. And it's good the episode does'nt sugar coat what he did just because he's on a redemption arc, infact emphasizing that past helps make the arc mean more.
@ quick question, why was Toya obsessed with perfecting his dangerous power?
(The answer is endeavor told him he had to surpass allmight and that was his destiny)
Next episode, it’s Deku’s turn.
touya and i r bpd solidarity
you know what I thought about with endeavor and his wife the way he looks at her man those eyes look like a man who’s about sexually harass his wife, not in romance but trying to create a perfect heir. Yeah I can see why Todoroki and his siblings really hate him throughout all his angrily temper worst anime father. (but I let whatever your opinions are)
The end result was ultimately a child so it wouldn’t be harassment
worst anime father is a VERY strong claim. Endeavor never even gets close to that level.
no vitriol behind this but i don’t like the thought of there really being no other way for touya to turn out esp as someone who was in a very similar situation bc that’s just not true esp in a situation that isn’t even extremely severe nobody is ever too far gone. it’s one of my grudges against mha, the idea perpetuated that victims who lash out (cough the league) are too far gone there’s nothing you can do about it other than saving the next gen of victims who are young and fit the perfect victim narrative. it felt so harmful and lazy to me
About want to know Horikoahu ( the author of this story) and his father, i had exactly the same thought, like how his relationship with his father effecting his writing about fatherhood and family in MHA. He never once mentioned bout his father in his interview, make me wonder for real. Meanwhile, Hori mentioned that he include his precious memory with his mother in MHA ( the scene where deku as a child playing hero with mother is inspired by how he play that game as a child with his mother) and even stated that he actually cry when drawing that scene. Make me sus that he actually don't have a good relationship with his father.
React to bongou stray dogs pls
Aside from Dabi's insanity being caused by his upbringing, do you think it also has to do with his lesser heat resistance? A lot of things can go awry when the body can't achieve homeostasis, cell death and alike. I mean, it's why Endeavor wanted the ice quirk in the first place, because his body will face consequence if he goes beyond his limit🤔
Some clarification: The idea that Endeavor proposed to Rei to make Touya forget about being a hero wasn't by telling him that he couldn't be a hero. What he proposed to her was to keep having kids until they could have one with the perfect quirk and that way "make Touya understand that someone else was the one who was going to surpass All Might, not him". Which of course, was just a poor excuse for him to keep forcefully using Rei pretty much like a gatcha machine until he could get a kid able to surpass All Might.
I love watching your videos but do you both realise you are the most beautiful couple? It's not fair that your genetics exsist
Part 6+18❤❤💢🙏
Day 23 of asking you guys to watch Re:zero
I really don’t like how the rest of the family are blaming themselves too as if they had equal responsibility for what happened. The kids were kids n were all dealing with their trama in different way so therefore you cant expect them to help Touya. The mother was a broken woman and anything she said to him didn’t help because he hated her too, so how could she have helped out at all? All the responsibility of this goes onto Endeavor to me, if he had paid attention to his kids more, if he hadn’t separated shoto away from them therefore creating a barrier between him and his siblings. There were so many things he could’ve done to prevent it from happening. Even after Touyas death he never changed and continued on neglecting his other children the same way he did touya even though thats exactly how they ended up there, he’s lucky none of his other children became villains either because that was because of their resolve, not because of anything Endeavor did. This episode was good in how it showed Dabis backstory but also kind of bad in the way it puts the blame on an abused tired woman and her all under the age of 13 children.
imo Horikoshi really failed Touya/Dabi (even the rest of the Todorokis excluding Endeavor). It honestly feels like he regretted making Endeavor as terrible as he did and tried shifting the blame to everyone else. Not going to get into spoilers but what happens to Dabi by the end of the story is unbelievably cruel and just leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth