Something that actually stood out to me is the fact that they had comparators in the first place. I don't know if this connection has been made yet, but that would mean they had to have access to the nether, in order to get nether quartz. Other chests had enchanted gear inside as well, meaning they wouldn't be going in completely unprepared. All of this makes me wonder if these people could have something to do with the ruined portals we can find today.
They also have access to soul soil for the blue fire and lanterns, plus polished basalt pillars. Although them having basalt and comparators never really stood out to me because there is smooth basalt that can be found in geodes, which we know they have access to due to amethysts being found in some chests. There isn’t any way to make pillars out of smooth basalt but the ancient city could’ve used some unknown method to make pillars from smooth basalt, like how they’re the only ones to figure out how to get echo shards. Comparators could be silmilar, they used something other than quartz in them. I don’t have any way to justify them having soul soil though, that seems like a very nether thing, if it was just the lanterns they could’ve used a substitute, but there is also actual soul soil there as well, so I dunno. I guess underwater ruins have magma, which also feels very nether so maybe uhh yeah I dunno.
Oh yeah! I think Daskalos may have mentioned that in one of his episodes, due to soul sand and soul lanterns. But definitely needed quartz and glowstone to make those redstone components!
I got so excited yesterday when Daskalos mentioned he’d be letting you do the ‘redstone room’ interpretation! I think it’s clear to anyone who’s been watching his series that while you may not be an archaeologist, you’ve picked up on a lot of how he does his interpretations! A thought about why there’s grass down there - maybe the Ancient Builders were unsure if this strange dust with mechanical properties could function above ground so they wanted to test if grass or dirt affected how it worked? Like say they wanted to add traps, maybe tripwire connected to automatic arrows, to protect some important temples on the surface from looters? First step before putting in a higher atmosphere I guess?
It's also interesting how the grass room seems to be the only room that's being actively lit by a redstone lamp, and while they use soul lanterns in other places in the lab, perhaps they were also testing if redstone lamps can make grass grow? Just another possibility.
Fun fact, me and one friend used the redstone room to give some redstone lesson on a server because they're actually pretty neat for that when they're not too much people (and because it's also a safe room compared to everything else in the ancient city, we were hidding from the warden when that happened XD)
OMG yes! When you dig into those circuits, there is so much there that can be used to teach! Why not turn a 'hiding from the warden' moment into a learning experience! 😆
The deep dark is one of the only biomes where nothing can naturally spawn, so maybe the sculk kind of preserved wood materials from rotting. I’ve also seen some comments about the tempature in the ancient city being cold due to it being below mountains.
I think being below mountains would mean it is hotter. If you've ever gone spelunking, things get real warm real soon as soon as you step into the rocks.
@@jcKobeh Oh wow, really? I always assumed in got cooler with no sun rays to warm things up. But it makes sense since the middle of the planet is molten LOL!
Thanks so much! It was fun trying to pick it apart and figure out all the details of the circuit. That fail-over bit that forced it to require a signal of 1 was just genius!
I find it interesting how in the first example room we see that glass stops a redstone signal (and they understood that) and all of the research rooms have glass windows dividing them from the rest of the areas. It's not complete protection, but an effort has been made.
Honestly, I'm a redstone noob and your explanation of how the setup works has helped my understanding immensely. So thanks for that. I was waiting to see how this particular thing worked, as I find this whole archaeological approach to be quite fun. The apple being what sets it off is pretty serious levels of understanding of the mechanics. It makes it feel like it isn't a lab at all, and was just to exhibit knowledge to initiates or something. Only special people allowed. They probably wouldn't want everyone to know their secrets. Someone eating the apple on the altar to open the doors, without being able to see them, means that the person on the altar probably wasn't the one to go into the basement. It's a bit of a distance. You'd have to be near the doors, hidden under the walkway, to get in before they closed, unless you were incredibly quick and already knew where to go. Just makes it feel like a setup. Like, someone on the altar to draw attention for ceremony's sake, and the secret order going in to convene down below, in the shadows. I was thinking those cubbies were all shelves of some kind, myself. That one room may be on grass just to draw your attention to it first: To have it be the one you examined and learned from, before moving on to the next. It's all very well-made, and your description of all the demonstrations proves they had and were passing on some high-level knowledge and skill. And some of those components require nether quartz to craft, so you know they had to be making some trips there, or have a trading relationship with the piglins or something. Pretty serious implications.
So glad I was able to help your understanding!! I love your full interpretation! The idea that the ceremonial apple above is a rite to let people below in or out is so rich in culture! There really is no way to get down there that fast without jumping. Such cool ideas here, I love it!!
I believe the pillagers raided the loot from here, and put a sheep farm there in the grass pen, but they died. So later they wanted to learn how to use redstone fearing its dangers, they experimented with it here and later aplied it in thier mansions.
Thanks for this one Oda! You and Daskalos have done an amazing job with the AC restoration series. I never really thought about the Redstone room before this video, but after your walkthrough it feels a lot more like a classroom with a test at the end. I imagine a mentor and apprentice Redstoners conducting the ritual of entry into the lab, and they only leave when the apprentice has learned enough to explain how the door works. Which would explain why both sides open simultaneously. The storage space could have been food and other consumables, and why they are empty now. Each room would be meant to teach how each component works. The grass/dirt area is for farming when the apprentice is more my speed of learning Redstone (slow). 😂
Oh wow, I love the idea of the mentor and apprentice. Only when they can get the full circuit running can the doors be opened! What a cool idea! And depending on how long that took, they wold most definitely need food and cots!
Thanks! It means a lot that you like my theory. There is nothing inside the room to support the idea of farming, so I get why you didn’t include that in your interpretation. Hoes are found elsewhere in the city, but not there, and in Daskalos’ videos he does talk about sticking to the facts based on what you find, not just adopting a theory you like.
The thing that’s very striking about this area is that it is clearly intended to teach and that teaching is tied to the ceremonial purpose of the central building. This is a building that seems to resemble some sort of alter, but it also has a door to allow people into an educational space to learn about redstone engineering. It seems possible, then, that this engineering was a prided aspect of the culture, the sort of thing they might deem worthy of being located inside their central ceremonial structure, which opens as the structure is activated. This could’ve served as some sort of initiation to induct certain people into an understanding of redstone engineering - the ritual above opening the doorway and revealing show chambers and shelves that could’ve stored more redstone for these inductees to familiarize themselves with.
Very cool! I have to say, I think you found a solid balance between going very in-depth about the redstone without getting bogged down in the minute details. I loved it! Also, the grass was obviously ancient aliens. It couldn't have been anything else!!!!11!!
Oh thank you so much!! Glad to know I didn't get too far down the redstone rabbit hole. LOL! You know, I never considered ancient aliens! That's gotta be it!😆
There are many other instances of organic material in the ancient city like the wood and wool on the walls or wool storage, in my opinion it could either be the very cold climate and deep level under the snowy mountains or that pillages came from woodland mansions and also did an archeological expedition, because the wood used in the cities is the same seen in the forests with woodland mansions and the wool storage room looks exactly like the one in the woodland mansions.
Good point! The wool is one that gets me. In the main series, Daskalos concluded that the wood was brought in later, possibly by looters. But I am not sure if I recall how he explained the wool! I am excited to hear his take on it!!
Thank Indie, this was awesome. I love the interpretation of the redstone, your knowledge and ability to work it all out always impresses me.Great video as always, love everything you do!
My personal theory behind the grass blocks is them trying to experiment with redstone on a surface that they thought couldnt be corrupted by sculk. Kind of like how we do some experiments in a vacuum. Now, we know thats false, but maybe thats an explanation as to how sculk infested the city to begin with?
OMG yes! That calibrated sensor does simplify things a bit for sure! But you still would need that calibrating signal (in this case, a strength of 8). It would eliminate the need for that torch and fail-over bit for sure! ... but it is still such a cool detail!!😆
I think the most interesting archeological application of the redstone room is the fact that its creators used a skulk sensor. This implies that the original inhabitants/builders interacted with the skulk before being overrun by its spread. Makes you wonder about the relationship between the builders and the skulk.
Hey? You're really really good at explaining redstone. You should consider doing a full noob friendly introduction series of videos, I think you really have that beginner-friendly teacher approach.
I love that this video is basically a "Redstone for Dummies" introduction. I studied Mechatronics and am therefor somewhat familiar with logic gates, but I was never interested in redstone very much. It's nice to have somebody explain the basics to me in a pace that I can follow.
Maybe they were testing if redstone lamps could grow grass? The ancient city is mostly lit by soul torches which _can_ grow grass, but only 5 blocks per torch. A redstone lamps is much brighter and can allow grass to grow in a larger area.
I think we can also assume that: 1. They were still in the very early stages of research with redstone, as the circuits are bulky, poorly designed and look much like what an old computer looked like ( the ones that filled up multiple rooms like the door also does) 2. They did not know about the calibrated sculk sensor even though they have sculk sensors and amethyst shards. Using the calibrated sculk sensor could have compacted the circuit by removing the need to check the signal strength with the torch-repeater part. Why would they abandon research effords so early on instead of further studying redstone? Well it could be that the research is what made the warden angry so the research or the entire city had to be abandoned.
YES! That calibrated sensor would replace that whole front circuit! Well, you'd still have to get a power 8 into it, though to calibrate it. I like your idea that their research upset the warden! Kinda like Icarus and his wings!
I liked the theory, but that is really all it is (for now?), as it doesn't have any real evidence backing it up. To me, the lack of calibrated sculk sensor really just indicates that they are in the early stages of research, as they have all the required materials and it could have made the circuit a lot simpler, smaller, more elegant, etc.
9:32 This room has another entrance here on the left. It is possible that the hole in the wall and glass you are in is just something that broke with time. 36:18 My personal interpretation is that this is not a lab, it is a classroom. This is a place to teach how to use redstone. The way the circuits are built seem to be to show how it works, not to attempt to discover. The fact that this room is ridden seems to indicate that this is secret knowledge and only a few people had the right to learn it. Maybe only the priests. Possibly as a way to preserve their power by them being the only ones capable of using that kind of "magic". 38:25 Maybe "desks" where students can take notes. 38:58 It is possible that this space had another previous function and was latter adapted to become a classroom (or lab).
I am really liking this idea of it being more of a training area than an R&D area! You know, I think I agree about that one wall in the first redstone room.. it has a more formal entrance! That lower area really does feel like a classroom now that you mention it!
@@MC_Oda, I saw lots of people calling that space a lab in other videos, so I think it was kinda ingrained in everyone's minds that it was a lab. And just like in the last Daskalos' video, he mentioned people taking materials from one building to build another building, there are also cases of people repurposing spaces, and it frequently makes it suboptimal for the new function. So the entire room could have been a foundation for the monument, that was used as storage and later had it's function changed receiving adaptations, but those adaptations limited to not compromise the structure.
@@thomasfplm Yeah, I sure am leaning more toward training than R&D. It makes those side rooms make more sense. I do like your idea that it was once storage, then repurposed! I think I can pitch that to Daskalos, and that is a good archaeology teaching point!
Thanks so much, Tobs!! You wouldn't believe how long I studied that big circuit to figure out what each component did! My original recording of just that part was well over an hour long. LOL!
Hey Oda, another intresting thing to note: the unstackable thing in the furnace is a *Wooden* shovel. And about the grass: maybe the room was used for something else before they started experimenting. or maybe they wanted to save the little grass they had(deep underground after all) in their save room.
Yeah, good call about the wooden shovel! I had originally recorded a much more detailed (waaaay longer) explanation, where I explained why it had to be a wooden shovel. LOL! BUT, I never even thought about that being an organic that would have rotted away.
4:50 there are light blocks in Minecraft, that are except for the light completely invisible, you can get throw commands: /give minecraft:light{BlockStateTag:{level:""}
Good call! Those came up in a discussion with Daskalos about how to light up the whole city when we put the mountain back on. We may be putting those to use!!😀
I think grass room has an entrance made out of deepslate tiles. So I think this another entrance from main corridor is actually a hole with missing glass and tiles. I think you could have been a little bit more bold with your restoration😅. Just a little thing, no big deal. Cool amateur archaelogy and redstone video anyways!
I love that you said that! I was actually thinking that when I was editing! There was another spot where I could jump through to the lower 'storage' area that I think should have been glass. Good minds think alike!😃
Mojang sould add ancient cities that weren't looted by pillagers, pillager cities should have more pillager based loot like totems and redtone citcuts using pistons and so on. But unradied cities have minimal redsrone using sculk and the redtone room could rather be a vault room with loot.
30:27 This is actually really cool. I never knew the comparator at this level, so I’ll definitely make some secret bases like this 31:21 The only one that doesn’t work like this is ender chests and chests on most entities, however, it does work for minecart chests and minecart hoppers if they’re placed on a detector rail and transmitted through a solid opaque block
You know, comparators have always confused me. I spent quite a bit of time figure out how they work. They are pretty cool once you know! I could see ender chests not working, since their contents differ for each player. I have used chest and shulkers in circuits before, but I never considered something like a furnace! LOL!
@ Furnaces are pretty weird, but since they work as redstone transmitters, it can add creations of secret bases with them, such as a certain item being placed to move a crafting table that has a hole underneath. As we speak of furnaces, smokers and blast furnaces also follow this function, though they have a more limited selection of storage. Funnily enough, beehives, bee nests, comparators, and cauldrons also output a signal, but are tested based on how filled they are
@@Totally_Not_Dupe Yeah totally makes sense! I love the idea of using non-standard blocks to power a hidden circuit. Very sneaky! The popular auto bee farm uses the hive signal strength to know when to activate. Cool stuff! I love that they built these little extra uses into so many blocks!
@@MC_Oda Yeah! Just like in coding, extra blocks or functions creates more solutions to one problem. I hope they continue adding more redstone circuits, and overhaul Bedrock’s redstone as well. Also forgot the honorable mention to the Crafter for having the most functions in one type of redstone block, which crafts, receives, stores, hoppers the crafting output (with hoppers underneath it) can be observed, and is a dropper for the crafting output (without hoppers underneath it)
first of all i would gladly listen to you talk redstone circuits for an hour, second that hole in the wall and glass is from when you and dask came in and neither of you could find the doorway to the right to see the experiment. third the fake laugh is a bit much overall i loved how informative this all is great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!! Sorry about the laugh, that's literally just how I talk when I am in a good mood, not something I really have conscious control of.
Could the redstone on grass be because they saw this circuit up on the surface. Done by some being ages ago. And they didn't know if the grass was necesary so they planted some to be on the safe side!
the redstone curcuit with the grass is likely intentional and part of the test "can redstone lights be used to grow vegetation for an underground city that would be an incredible technological leap
If I remember correctly there are 3 versions of the Redstone room each with their own entrance mechanism. It would be interesting to see what the other 2 versions could indicate even if they aren't in this particular city.
It might have been originally RnD but in its present state it might not be, but rather say a teaching lab for 'red stone priesthood acolytes' as that would better match the juxtaposition of the simple redstone circuits with the complex door opener
Gotta say, I really have no clue what the empty rooms could be. There is the two-story building in the city that has some strange dividers as well, though they're built differently. I'd be very interested if you could combine your minds with Daskalos on this one!
It has been so fun working with him on it! Such a cool approach to this aspect of the game! I'd have to double check, but I think that hole just led to the edge of the gate.. not sure how far under the gate it stretched. But, finding out might give a clue as to whether it had a purpose or not!
@@MC_Oda That was kind of my thought. During the video, I expected you were going to go through it to see where it led. Thanks for the lamp room explanation, I never thought of a count down circuit in red stone.
There very little proof they retofited the building for the red stone displays in that building. Given the size of the room with the door opening system is and that the sculk sensor location. It seem they had the sculk sensor before they started to building that central building.
Just a idea i just had but what if it was some kind of ritual thing for those amongst the people that would become researchers, they would take like a potion of speed to get in and would be isolated from everything as they work and sound is kept mostly out with the wool, but in emergency situations a person could eat the golden apple to get inside of the labs
MC_Oda, Apprentice Archeologist. My husband understands redstone stuff way more than me, but you just taught me a few things. Great job. I do have a question. The sculk sensor was waterlogged originally which I know keeps it from sounding, but does that affect the signal strength it produces or is it still the same?
Oh wow, so glad I was able to help you learn a few things!! To answer your question, the waterlogging ONLY makes them silent, it won't change their signal strength! 😃
30:25 As someone whose knowledge of redstone is only good enough to, say, make a door with sticky pistons, I thought it was a good explanation! I think if you wanted to be even clearer, actually having some diagrams or good illustrations could be the way to go. I've noticed that you and Daskalos are rare to use any "B-roll" in general, and I feel like that might be a way to step up your content. Overall though, thanks for the explanation!
I was just thinking, what do those citizens need a big vault for? Protection from the warden! If the warden was accidentally summoned, I think they could have all barricaded themselves in the redstone room.
@@ruanholtzhausen4000 I wouldn't expect the redstone scientists to fumble the design of their shelter so badly that the entire civilization collapsed. Another theory might be that the "bomb shelter" is to hide from a different threat, one that they might be using the warden as a natural defense against, perhaps pillagers or the wither.
Good call!! That should not have been preserved either! Unless we consider the furnace keeps it protected somehow. I'll have to mention that to Daskalos!
For an in universe reason perhaps the pillagers found the lab and reconstructed the organic parts that had rotted away? They may not have considered the lectern to be valuable and just left it. EDIT: Nevermind that doesn't make sense. Without the shovel the door wouldn't work right.
I’m sure some other redstone gurus could have pointed this out already and I don’t mean to nitpick, but you got the pulse extender functionality wrong. While the comparator WILL maintain signal strength from front to back, each step of redstone dust moved would drop the strength by one. Meaning with a setup like that, one side will always read as an even number and the other will always read as an odd number. There are ways around that to do exactly what you said, but not with that setup. Why pulse extenders work like they do I think was covered in a video MumboJumbo did on how all redstone components worked if I remember correctly. Edit: I just noticed, this previous statement only works if both sides have two redstone dust. You are indeed correct about this exact type of pulse extender. Now my comment is really just education on a different type of pulse extender.🤦♂️ Aside from my nitpicking, this is a great video and I love it.
😄 Yeah! that one block at the end with the torch holds that signal strength and send it out to the redstone dust. Good catch though!! I am always game for some good nitpicking, it is a great way to learn!! I am so glad you enjoy it!!😃
I thought about that, but with the sides of the platform so close, I was thinking that it would likely just flow toward the edges and not spread over the flames. Water can be so goofy!
Several folks have brought up the school/training idea. I love it! It feels like that may be more accurate than an R&D lab. Even that lower empty room could be a classroom perhaps!
So sorry about that. That is just how I talk when I am in a good mod. It is like an unconscious thing. I do it IRL too. If it is upsetting, I suppose I can be more aggressive with my editing and try to cut them out in future videos.
Archeology is a very interdisciplinary science.
Consulting a redstone engineer for analysing ancient redstone circuitry is absolutely normal.
Something that actually stood out to me is the fact that they had comparators in the first place.
I don't know if this connection has been made yet, but that would mean they had to have access to the nether, in order to get nether quartz.
Other chests had enchanted gear inside as well, meaning they wouldn't be going in completely unprepared. All of this makes me wonder if these people could have something to do with the ruined portals we can find today.
They also have access to soul soil for the blue fire and lanterns, plus polished basalt pillars.
Although them having basalt and comparators never really stood out to me because there is smooth basalt that can be found in geodes, which we know they have access to due to amethysts being found in some chests. There isn’t any way to make pillars out of smooth basalt but the ancient city could’ve used some unknown method to make pillars from smooth basalt, like how they’re the only ones to figure out how to get echo shards. Comparators could be silmilar, they used something other than quartz in them.
I don’t have any way to justify them having soul soil though, that seems like a very nether thing, if it was just the lanterns they could’ve used a substitute, but there is also actual soul soil there as well, so I dunno.
I guess underwater ruins have magma, which also feels very nether so maybe uhh yeah I dunno.
Oh yeah! I think Daskalos may have mentioned that in one of his episodes, due to soul sand and soul lanterns. But definitely needed quartz and glowstone to make those redstone components!
They also use soul sand, soul torches, and lots of soul lanterns, so they definitely had access to the nether, either directly or through trade.
I got so excited yesterday when Daskalos mentioned he’d be letting you do the ‘redstone room’ interpretation! I think it’s clear to anyone who’s been watching his series that while you may not be an archaeologist, you’ve picked up on a lot of how he does his interpretations! A thought about why there’s grass down there - maybe the Ancient Builders were unsure if this strange dust with mechanical properties could function above ground so they wanted to test if grass or dirt affected how it worked? Like say they wanted to add traps, maybe tripwire connected to automatic arrows, to protect some important temples on the surface from looters? First step before putting in a higher atmosphere I guess?
That is a really cool reason for the grass! I like that! Thanks so much for your kind words!☺
It's also interesting how the grass room seems to be the only room that's being actively lit by a redstone lamp, and while they use soul lanterns in other places in the lab, perhaps they were also testing if redstone lamps can make grass grow? Just another possibility.
@Frostyflytrap Wait yeah! Maybe they were using it as test to see if they could grow food while underground!
@@Frostyflytrap You know, I found out a while back that light level *does* affect whether grass can spread or not. That is a cool tie-in!
@@sasstrash316 Good point! You know they have plenty of hoes in the chests.. pulling up sculk, PLUS farming! Hmm!
Fun fact, me and one friend used the redstone room to give some redstone lesson on a server because they're actually pretty neat for that when they're not too much people (and because it's also a safe room compared to everything else in the ancient city, we were hidding from the warden when that happened XD)
OMG yes! When you dig into those circuits, there is so much there that can be used to teach! Why not turn a 'hiding from the warden' moment into a learning experience! 😆
I don't think that room is a lab.
I think it is a classroom.
@@thomasfplm That is a great possibility! Teaching as opposed to research & development.
The deep dark is one of the only biomes where nothing can naturally spawn, so maybe the sculk kind of preserved wood materials from rotting. I’ve also seen some comments about the tempature in the ancient city being cold due to it being below mountains.
I never even considered the fact that nothing can spawn! That is some great insight! Good definitely be a clue!😃
Nothing can spawn probably because the warden kills everything instantly, and I am not sure if the warden is really awar of bacteria
@@snibo1024 OoH! That could prevent organic rot. Very cool idea!
I think being below mountains would mean it is hotter. If you've ever gone spelunking, things get real warm real soon as soon as you step into the rocks.
@@jcKobeh Oh wow, really? I always assumed in got cooler with no sun rays to warm things up. But it makes sense since the middle of the planet is molten LOL!
I finally understood the skulk door and the aplication of sensor frequencies, not even the developers made such an explanation. You did a great job
Well, the circuit being there is mojangs explanation.
Thanks so much! It was fun trying to pick it apart and figure out all the details of the circuit. That fail-over bit that forced it to require a signal of 1 was just genius!
@daan804 LOL! At least one person at Mojang knew how it worked! 😆
Same here, I kind of understood it, but not fully. Thanks!
I find it interesting how in the first example room we see that glass stops a redstone signal (and they understood that) and all of the research rooms have glass windows dividing them from the rest of the areas. It's not complete protection, but an effort has been made.
Huh, yeah! Safety first LOL! Good catch!
00:24 Your impression of daskalos is on point.
😂 Imagine if I tried to do a full-on impersonation!
Honestly, I'm a redstone noob and your explanation of how the setup works has helped my understanding immensely. So thanks for that. I was waiting to see how this particular thing worked, as I find this whole archaeological approach to be quite fun.
The apple being what sets it off is pretty serious levels of understanding of the mechanics. It makes it feel like it isn't a lab at all, and was just to exhibit knowledge to initiates or something. Only special people allowed. They probably wouldn't want everyone to know their secrets. Someone eating the apple on the altar to open the doors, without being able to see them, means that the person on the altar probably wasn't the one to go into the basement. It's a bit of a distance. You'd have to be near the doors, hidden under the walkway, to get in before they closed, unless you were incredibly quick and already knew where to go. Just makes it feel like a setup. Like, someone on the altar to draw attention for ceremony's sake, and the secret order going in to convene down below, in the shadows.
I was thinking those cubbies were all shelves of some kind, myself.
That one room may be on grass just to draw your attention to it first: To have it be the one you examined and learned from, before moving on to the next. It's all very well-made, and your description of all the demonstrations proves they had and were passing on some high-level knowledge and skill.
And some of those components require nether quartz to craft, so you know they had to be making some trips there, or have a trading relationship with the piglins or something. Pretty serious implications.
So glad I was able to help your understanding!! I love your full interpretation! The idea that the ceremonial apple above is a rite to let people below in or out is so rich in culture! There really is no way to get down there that fast without jumping.
Such cool ideas here, I love it!!
I believe the pillagers raided the loot from here, and put a sheep farm there in the grass pen, but they died. So later they wanted to learn how to use redstone fearing its dangers, they experimented with it here and later aplied it in thier mansions.
Thanks for this one Oda! You and Daskalos have done an amazing job with the AC restoration series.
I never really thought about the Redstone room before this video, but after your walkthrough it feels a lot more like a classroom with a test at the end. I imagine a mentor and apprentice Redstoners conducting the ritual of entry into the lab, and they only leave when the apprentice has learned enough to explain how the door works. Which would explain why both sides open simultaneously. The storage space could have been food and other consumables, and why they are empty now. Each room would be meant to teach how each component works. The grass/dirt area is for farming when the apprentice is more my speed of learning Redstone (slow). 😂
Oh wow, I love the idea of the mentor and apprentice. Only when they can get the full circuit running can the doors be opened! What a cool idea! And depending on how long that took, they wold most definitely need food and cots!
Thanks! It means a lot that you like my theory. There is nothing inside the room to support the idea of farming, so I get why you didn’t include that in your interpretation. Hoes are found elsewhere in the city, but not there, and in Daskalos’ videos he does talk about sticking to the facts based on what you find, not just adopting a theory you like.
@@DMBarr Yeah, I think farming would be a bit of a stretch. That grass though... that one has me baffled.🤔
The thing that’s very striking about this area is that it is clearly intended to teach and that teaching is tied to the ceremonial purpose of the central building. This is a building that seems to resemble some sort of alter, but it also has a door to allow people into an educational space to learn about redstone engineering. It seems possible, then, that this engineering was a prided aspect of the culture, the sort of thing they might deem worthy of being located inside their central ceremonial structure, which opens as the structure is activated. This could’ve served as some sort of initiation to induct certain people into an understanding of redstone engineering - the ritual above opening the doorway and revealing show chambers and shelves that could’ve stored more redstone for these inductees to familiarize themselves with.
I love this theory!! It really ties it all together!
Very cool! I have to say, I think you found a solid balance between going very in-depth about the redstone without getting bogged down in the minute details. I loved it! Also, the grass was obviously ancient aliens. It couldn't have been anything else!!!!11!!
Oh thank you so much!! Glad to know I didn't get too far down the redstone rabbit hole. LOL! You know, I never considered ancient aliens! That's gotta be it!😆
There are many other instances of organic material in the ancient city like the wood and wool on the walls or wool storage, in my opinion it could either be the very cold climate and deep level under the snowy mountains or that pillages came from woodland mansions and also did an archeological expedition, because the wood used in the cities is the same seen in the forests with woodland mansions and the wool storage room looks exactly like the one in the woodland mansions.
Good point! The wool is one that gets me. In the main series, Daskalos concluded that the wood was brought in later, possibly by looters. But I am not sure if I recall how he explained the wool! I am excited to hear his take on it!!
I love this video concept! you have a nice presentation style and voice :)
Thank you so much!! 😃
Thank Indie, this was awesome. I love the interpretation of the redstone, your knowledge and ability to work it all out always impresses me.Great video as always, love everything you do!
Thanks Zinc!! It definitely took a while to work out what all of those components were doing!
My personal theory behind the grass blocks is them trying to experiment with redstone on a surface that they thought couldnt be corrupted by sculk. Kind of like how we do some experiments in a vacuum. Now, we know thats false, but maybe thats an explanation as to how sculk infested the city to begin with?
Cool theory! 😃
29:50 I think even Mojang realized this was too complicated for most people and added this entire circuit as a calibrated skulk sensor
OMG yes! That calibrated sensor does simplify things a bit for sure! But you still would need that calibrating signal (in this case, a strength of 8). It would eliminate the need for that torch and fail-over bit for sure! ... but it is still such a cool detail!!😆
I think the most interesting archeological application of the redstone room is the fact that its creators used a skulk sensor. This implies that the original inhabitants/builders interacted with the skulk before being overrun by its spread. Makes you wonder about the relationship between the builders and the skulk.
I think your explanation of redstone was pretty good! I think I finally get what comparators can do? A little at least.
Oh thank you!😃 I struggled a lot with comparators too. But once it is explained, they are not too complex.
Hey? You're really really good at explaining redstone. You should consider doing a full noob friendly introduction series of videos, I think you really have that beginner-friendly teacher approach.
Hmm... that is a good idea! I have been thinking about doing some tutorial stuff. I may have to give that more thought!!
@@MC_Oda I would also like those!
I watched every second and loved it all
Top tier
Thank you so much!! Glad you enjoy it!
I love that this video is basically a "Redstone for Dummies" introduction.
I studied Mechatronics and am therefor somewhat familiar with logic gates, but I was never interested in redstone very much. It's nice to have somebody explain the basics to me in a pace that I can follow.
Thanks so much! That means a lot! I am considering possibly doing a tutorial series in the near future!
@@MC_Oda I saw that and am looking forward to it! :)
Underrated asf
Thank you so much!😁
Maybe they were testing if redstone lamps could grow grass? The ancient city is mostly lit by soul torches which _can_ grow grass, but only 5 blocks per torch. A redstone lamps is much brighter and can allow grass to grow in a larger area.
I am liking this theory!
I think we can also assume that:
1. They were still in the very early stages of research with redstone, as the circuits are bulky, poorly designed and look much like what an old computer looked like ( the ones that filled up multiple rooms like the door also does)
2. They did not know about the calibrated sculk sensor even though they have sculk sensors and amethyst shards. Using the calibrated sculk sensor could have compacted the circuit by removing the need to check the signal strength with the torch-repeater part.
Why would they abandon research effords so early on instead of further studying redstone? Well it could be that the research is what made the warden angry so the research or the entire city had to be abandoned.
YES! That calibrated sensor would replace that whole front circuit! Well, you'd still have to get a power 8 into it, though to calibrate it. I like your idea that their research upset the warden! Kinda like Icarus and his wings!
I liked the theory, but that is really all it is (for now?), as it doesn't have any real evidence backing it up. To me, the lack of calibrated sculk sensor really just indicates that they are in the early stages of research, as they have all the required materials and it could have made the circuit a lot simpler, smaller, more elegant, etc.
9:32
This room has another entrance here on the left.
It is possible that the hole in the wall and glass you are in is just something that broke with time.
36:18
My personal interpretation is that this is not a lab, it is a classroom.
This is a place to teach how to use redstone.
The way the circuits are built seem to be to show how it works, not to attempt to discover.
The fact that this room is ridden seems to indicate that this is secret knowledge and only a few people had the right to learn it.
Maybe only the priests.
Possibly as a way to preserve their power by them being the only ones capable of using that kind of "magic".
38:25
Maybe "desks" where students can take notes.
38:58
It is possible that this space had another previous function and was latter adapted to become a classroom (or lab).
I am really liking this idea of it being more of a training area than an R&D area! You know, I think I agree about that one wall in the first redstone room.. it has a more formal entrance! That lower area really does feel like a classroom now that you mention it!
@@MC_Oda, I saw lots of people calling that space a lab in other videos, so I think it was kinda ingrained in everyone's minds that it was a lab.
And just like in the last Daskalos' video, he mentioned people taking materials from one building to build another building, there are also cases of people repurposing spaces, and it frequently makes it suboptimal for the new function.
So the entire room could have been a foundation for the monument, that was used as storage and later had it's function changed receiving adaptations, but those adaptations limited to not compromise the structure.
@@thomasfplm Yeah, I sure am leaning more toward training than R&D. It makes those side rooms make more sense. I do like your idea that it was once storage, then repurposed! I think I can pitch that to Daskalos, and that is a good archaeology teaching point!
Loved this Oda, I learned a lot and never thought about the red stone rooms in an ancient city before. Great work!!
Thanks so much, Tobs!! You wouldn't believe how long I studied that big circuit to figure out what each component did! My original recording of just that part was well over an hour long. LOL!
This is amazing!!! Love the archeology & insite into redstone!
Thanks so much!! You might really enjoy Daskalos' archaeology series. It starts with an real arch. dig on a Trail Ruin!
Hey Oda, another intresting thing to note: the unstackable thing in the furnace is a *Wooden* shovel.
And about the grass: maybe the room was used for something else before they started experimenting. or maybe they wanted to save the little grass they had(deep underground after all) in their save room.
Yeah, good call about the wooden shovel! I had originally recorded a much more detailed (waaaay longer) explanation, where I explained why it had to be a wooden shovel. LOL! BUT, I never even thought about that being an organic that would have rotted away.
4:50 there are light blocks in Minecraft, that are except for the light completely invisible, you can get throw commands: /give minecraft:light{BlockStateTag:{level:""}
Good call! Those came up in a discussion with Daskalos about how to light up the whole city when we put the mountain back on. We may be putting those to use!!😀
Yep! I was waiting for this one! Love this series as it explores Minecraft’s world building and interpretive storytelling
Thanks so much! I have been enjoying Daskalos' approach to the city. I was excited when he asked me to do the redstone lab!😁
I think grass room has an entrance made out of deepslate tiles. So I think this another entrance from main corridor is actually a hole with missing glass and tiles. I think you could have been a little bit more bold with your restoration😅. Just a little thing, no big deal. Cool amateur archaelogy and redstone video anyways!
I love that you said that! I was actually thinking that when I was editing! There was another spot where I could jump through to the lower 'storage' area that I think should have been glass. Good minds think alike!😃
Dude I just had a redstone click thank you
That's awesome! That is totally me with redstone. LOL! Sometimes it just takes the right explanation to make things click!
They could be lab tables/work desks, with the empty took being a rest area.
That is definitely where I am leaning! That's a good interpretation!
Mojang sould add ancient cities that weren't looted by pillagers, pillager cities should have more pillager based loot like totems and redtone citcuts using pistons and so on.
But unradied cities have minimal redsrone using sculk and the redtone room could rather be a vault room with loot.
That chuckle will be in my nightmares
hehehe! 😈
30:27 This is actually really cool. I never knew the comparator at this level, so I’ll definitely make some secret bases like this
31:21 The only one that doesn’t work like this is ender chests and chests on most entities, however, it does work for minecart chests and minecart hoppers if they’re placed on a detector rail and transmitted through a solid opaque block
You know, comparators have always confused me. I spent quite a bit of time figure out how they work. They are pretty cool once you know! I could see ender chests not working, since their contents differ for each player. I have used chest and shulkers in circuits before, but I never considered something like a furnace! LOL!
@ Furnaces are pretty weird, but since they work as redstone transmitters, it can add creations of secret bases with them, such as a certain item being placed to move a crafting table that has a hole underneath. As we speak of furnaces, smokers and blast furnaces also follow this function, though they have a more limited selection of storage. Funnily enough, beehives, bee nests, comparators, and cauldrons also output a signal, but are tested based on how filled they are
@@Totally_Not_Dupe Yeah totally makes sense! I love the idea of using non-standard blocks to power a hidden circuit. Very sneaky! The popular auto bee farm uses the hive signal strength to know when to activate. Cool stuff! I love that they built these little extra uses into so many blocks!
@@MC_Oda Yeah! Just like in coding, extra blocks or functions creates more solutions to one problem. I hope they continue adding more redstone circuits, and overhaul Bedrock’s redstone as well. Also forgot the honorable mention to the Crafter for having the most functions in one type of redstone block, which crafts, receives, stores, hoppers the crafting output (with hoppers underneath it) can be observed, and is a dropper for the crafting output (without hoppers underneath it)
first of all i would gladly listen to you talk redstone circuits for an hour,
second that hole in the wall and glass is from when you and dask came in and neither of you could find the doorway to the right to see the experiment.
third the fake laugh is a bit much
overall i loved how informative this all is great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!! Sorry about the laugh, that's literally just how I talk when I am in a good mood, not something I really have conscious control of.
@@MC_Oda ah sorry. Didn't mean to offend in that case.
@@darthvendar6841 No prob!! 🙂
Could the redstone on grass be because they saw this circuit up on the surface. Done by some being ages ago. And they didn't know if the grass was necesary so they planted some to be on the safe side!
Totally could be! I can see where they would assume that!
the redstone curcuit with the grass is likely intentional and part of the test "can redstone lights be used to grow vegetation for an underground city that would be an incredible technological leap
If I remember correctly there are 3 versions of the Redstone room each with their own entrance mechanism. It would be interesting to see what the other 2 versions could indicate even if they aren't in this particular city.
It might have been originally RnD but in its present state it might not be, but rather say a teaching lab for 'red stone priesthood acolytes'
as that would better match the juxtaposition of the simple redstone circuits with the complex door opener
Loving the teaching/training theory! It fits so well.
Gotta say, I really have no clue what the empty rooms could be. There is the two-story building in the city that has some strange dividers as well, though they're built differently. I'd be very interested if you could combine your minds with Daskalos on this one!
Yeah, those are a but of a mystery. I am excited to see how Daskalos interprets them with his professional experience!
@MC_Oda :D
Love Daskalos series. Watching the restoration has been awesome. My only question is...what was above the hole in the ceiling?
It has been so fun working with him on it! Such a cool approach to this aspect of the game! I'd have to double check, but I think that hole just led to the edge of the gate.. not sure how far under the gate it stretched. But, finding out might give a clue as to whether it had a purpose or not!
@@MC_Oda That was kind of my thought. During the video, I expected you were going to go through it to see where it led.
Thanks for the lamp room explanation, I never thought of a count down circuit in red stone.
There very little proof they retofited the building for the red stone displays in that building. Given the size of the room with the door opening system is and that the sculk sensor location. It seem they had the sculk sensor before they started to building that central building.
Just a idea i just had but what if it was some kind of ritual thing for those amongst the people that would become researchers, they would take like a potion of speed to get in and would be isolated from everything as they work and sound is kept mostly out with the wool, but in emergency situations a person could eat the golden apple to get inside of the labs
I didn't even think about them using potions to aid them! Cool idea!
MC_Oda, Apprentice Archeologist.
My husband understands redstone stuff way more than me, but you just taught me a few things. Great job. I do have a question. The sculk sensor was waterlogged originally which I know keeps it from sounding, but does that affect the signal strength it produces or is it still the same?
Oh wow, so glad I was able to help you learn a few things!! To answer your question, the waterlogging ONLY makes them silent, it won't change their signal strength! 😃
30:25 As someone whose knowledge of redstone is only good enough to, say, make a door with sticky pistons, I thought it was a good explanation! I think if you wanted to be even clearer, actually having some diagrams or good illustrations could be the way to go. I've noticed that you and Daskalos are rare to use any "B-roll" in general, and I feel like that might be a way to step up your content. Overall though, thanks for the explanation!
I was just thinking, what do those citizens need a big vault for? Protection from the warden! If the warden was accidentally summoned, I think they could have all barricaded themselves in the redstone room.
Ooh!! That is a great idea! I didn't think of that! Like a bomb shelter of sorts!
@@MC_Oda Exactly!
I think the wardens range would be enough to get them, so its to small, but maybey thats why these people are all gone.
@@ruanholtzhausen4000 I wouldn't expect the redstone scientists to fumble the design of their shelter so badly that the entire civilization collapsed. Another theory might be that the "bomb shelter" is to hide from a different threat, one that they might be using the warden as a natural defense against, perhaps pillagers or the wither.
Also wooden shovel in the furnace 🤔
Good call!! That should not have been preserved either! Unless we consider the furnace keeps it protected somehow. I'll have to mention that to Daskalos!
Grass spreads with light, right? maybe the grass room was to test if artificial light can grow grass the same way
It sure does! Good call! Too low of a light level, and grass will not spread.
13:58 knowledge is power… literally
HA! Nice analogy! I love it!!🤩
For an in universe reason perhaps the pillagers found the lab and reconstructed the organic parts that had rotted away? They may not have considered the lectern to be valuable and just left it.
EDIT: Nevermind that doesn't make sense. Without the shovel the door wouldn't work right.
I do like your line of thinking, though!!
I’m sure some other redstone gurus could have pointed this out already and I don’t mean to nitpick, but you got the pulse extender functionality wrong. While the comparator WILL maintain signal strength from front to back, each step of redstone dust moved would drop the strength by one. Meaning with a setup like that, one side will always read as an even number and the other will always read as an odd number. There are ways around that to do exactly what you said, but not with that setup. Why pulse extenders work like they do I think was covered in a video MumboJumbo did on how all redstone components worked if I remember correctly.
Edit: I just noticed, this previous statement only works if both sides have two redstone dust. You are indeed correct about this exact type of pulse extender. Now my comment is really just education on a different type of pulse extender.🤦♂️
Aside from my nitpicking, this is a great video and I love it.
😄 Yeah! that one block at the end with the torch holds that signal strength and send it out to the redstone dust. Good catch though!! I am always game for some good nitpicking, it is a great way to learn!! I am so glad you enjoy it!!😃
Its really quite simple
4:19 bro water
I thought about that, but with the sides of the platform so close, I was thinking that it would likely just flow toward the edges and not spread over the flames. Water can be so goofy!
So....kind of a Redstone school or maybe displays of Redstone uses.
Several folks have brought up the school/training idea. I love it! It feels like that may be more accurate than an R&D lab. Even that lower empty room could be a classroom perhaps!
y u keep fake chuckling
So sorry about that. That is just how I talk when I am in a good mod. It is like an unconscious thing. I do it IRL too. If it is upsetting, I suppose I can be more aggressive with my editing and try to cut them out in future videos.
@my bad bro I thought it was on purpose or sumthg got me feeling all guilty 😭😭😭😭😭
@ ay be yourself bro I apologize for being an ass
@@DarthKanye No worries, my friend! 🙂