It wasn't only the 307. Go check out how often the Focus broke down and left McRae stranded when he was doing good. Sure he crashed a lot, but he was let down many times. Then one day in 2001 protested to Malcolm Wilson saying that either he had a good car o he's out, and miraculously he won 3 consective rallies. I agree with you that Gronholm was better. Loeb only had the way better car, and most other WRC of those years were sub par.
@@Snarl616 Props to Citroen. They chose a good strategy to start developing the car in F2 category first, and ended up with a good base for a WRC car, which was reliable. Ford failed to do that.
@@installshieldwizard3017 I think Citroen brought much more money in the game than ever before. I saw Loeb crashing sometimes, and I was amazed by how the car carried on regardless. And this furthers my point that Loeb had forever the right car. Not saying that he's talentless, ofc.
I remember I was 11 years old watching WRC highlights on Speed Channel in the US, and my first memories of rallying and my first sight of a rally car was this bright red Peugeot 307 tearing it up through Mexico.
Happened something similar to me! But I was older than you. In 2006 I was 20 years old when I knew about the rally in Guanajuato, México (I’m from Irapuato, Guanajuato, Mx) and I used to see this amazing car in the big banners by the highways. It was in 2007 when my uncle took me to the mountains to watch them! 🚗 💨
This car epitomised the shambolic quality of the "modern era" Peugeot build quality. You can tell from the moment Marcus excalims "I'm fed up with this car" that he's mentally checked out from then on in. Just a beaten man getting furtherly kicked. Thank God he switched to Ford and we got to see 2 more seasons of peak Gronholm magic!
I have never forgiven this car in 15 years. A coupe-convertible with a 4-speed gearbox!? And every rally it kept getting stuck in 3rd gear! At least they got rid of it in 2005, but it wasn’t competitive enough against Citroën. And then I watched Michael Park die in Wales *while standing on the same stage!* Then Peugeot decided to put the old 2004 gearbox back in the car for Corsica. And guess what!? Like every gearbox problem in 2004, it got stuck in 3rd gear! That was my last straw for that 307. At least Manfred Stohl gave it some redemption in 2006 by finishing 4th in the driver’s championship.
What's weird is that I'm sure that Gronholm said in Monte Carlo that in testing they never had really any issues with the car but it plagued them throughout 2004 especially the gearbox. It was a very quick car when it all came together. What's worse is that I saw on dirt fish an interview with Panizzi and they abandoned development of the 206 early and went the wrong way with the suspension which is why it wasn't to comeptetive to focus on the 307. If they hadn't stopped devlopment or changed the suspension they would have won in 2003 with the 2002 car in his opinion.
he didnt tell because as peugeots employe he isnt allowed so say a bad word about the car. so maybe they had enough issues but hoped they will find a way to solve it durig the season
11:45 not only gronholm had 3 gears in Finland But harri rovanpera and Sebastian lindholm both had a huge crashes In that years rally Germany Marcus gronholm went off the road after the start line and it broke the right rear suspension and that ended his rally And some rally’s before that in New Zealand gronholm rolled just before the end of the stage he managed to recover to second place And in the rally Australia gronholm went off twice first he hit the tree whilst leading the rally and then went off again when he reenter the super rally rules and it was a big impact And Cedric Robert who was hired to drive the 307 went off the road in Corsica after hitting the puddle
0:52 Aj aj aj, mina nävar 1:08 Men gissa, ingen styrservo. Jag har två långa sträckor kvar och jag har fått nog av den här bilen! 7:18 Måste stanna för det kom upp en sten eller nånting genom Timos stol 12:29 Tre växlar, hela sträckan. Berätta för Corrado att tre räcker Jaha, typiskt Grönholm-humor i rallyvärlden
13:45 Vi har avklarat sträckan, Men vi har tappat 4:an's och 5:an's växel! (Timo Rautiainen) 13:58 Marcus. Din tid var ju katastrof. ...Jag har 1 växel. Vadå 1? 3!
1:15 Marcus said that he was fed up with his car 4:25 yeah you can see the rocks on the left side of the screen and there’s the hit the left rear suspension is broken on his car and then he continued on until his gearbox once again gave up on him but rovanpera went even better by finishing third losing second place to loeb 15:15 carlsson made a reappearance in the wrc but he got into trouble by the rozzers for the tyre problem on his car
The reason why Loeb were so dominant in 2005 therefore? Solberg couldnt hold him off, and Marcus was in 307, had marcus drove for say Ford earlier than 2006 he might've closely challenge Loeb in 2005
No, cause Marlboro's not sponsor Peugeot anymore. And Marlboro sponsor Peugeot from 2003 to 2005, even World Rally Championship has banned all of cigarette & cigar signs forever.
I remember this, back then I was like 12 and still learning to listen in English so I'd just base myself off the footage, I kept thinking either the car was overheating or the steering wheel was too hot and he burned his hands off it but now that I remember, I don't know why it didn't go through my head that he's wearing flame-resistant gloves. Oh boy, I was a big fan of Marcus and Peugeot and was surprised why they decided to race with a car that was way longer than the mighty 206
He seems to be hitting tail a lot. Peugeot 307 engine is reliable and fast but the choice of transmission, clutch and steering components are completely shite. Why a convertible???!???!?! A hatch would have been a lot more easier to control
Thanks, man. I with ya BUT I think the Peugeot 307 is a nice WRC Rally Car and I understand, the car's got so many bad lucks and technical problems. Too bad.
@@adriankasprzyk5364 i dont know why but I like it more without the livery. Even tho Marlboro livery is legendary, I saw a test video with compeletely red car with white rims, that one looked sick! Very good sound yes, and lots of torque. Still, 206 did so much better that it's just sad
I found the Renault Megane CC to be a bit better, ofcourse even that was meh. You're better off with a CLK or Audi A4 cabrio. Or a Toyota Camry Solara V6 lmaooo
The second the handle comes off in Gronholms hand as he goes to open the door tells you all you need to know about just how terrible this car was. It didn't want to be driven. And it would waste Marcus' time, kneecap Rovanpera's career pretty badly, be that big an embarrassment that it took Peugeot out of world rallying and tragically be the final ride for Michael Park
![OnBoard Colin McRae & Didier Auriol SS1 Rallye Monte-Carlo 1999 [Passats de canto] (Telesport)](/img/n.gif)
"You can tell Corrado that three is enough"
Next rally: *Only 3rd gear works*
😅😅😅
Eventualy Marcus was summoned to Peugeot HQ to explain his comments lol
With all that many incredible amount of problems and bad luck he actually pulled off really good results.
That's just our Flying Finns luck.😝
Marcus was fast, car was shite
That's a testament of how good Gronholm was.
@@salvatoreturco36237 wins in Finland speaks (also) for itself
Frustration creates that.
The unreliability of the 307 helped Loeb win. Remember what Gronholm achieved with the 206. He remains my all time fave driver.
It wasn't only the 307. Go check out how often the Focus broke down and left McRae stranded when he was doing good. Sure he crashed a lot, but he was let down many times. Then one day in 2001 protested to Malcolm Wilson saying that either he had a good car o he's out, and miraculously he won 3 consective rallies.
I agree with you that Gronholm was better. Loeb only had the way better car, and most other WRC of those years were sub par.
@@Snarl616McRae protested to Wilson in 2000, and then he won Catalunya and Acropolis.
@@Snarl616 Props to Citroen. They chose a good strategy to start developing the car in F2 category first, and ended up with a good base for a WRC car, which was reliable. Ford failed to do that.
@@installshieldwizard3017 I think Citroen brought much more money in the game than ever before. I saw Loeb crashing sometimes, and I was amazed by how the car carried on regardless.
And this furthers my point that Loeb had forever the right car. Not saying that he's talentless, ofc.
@@Snarl616 Citroen brought just as much money as Peugeot, both being part of PSA. Ford is anything but short of money
I remember I was 11 years old watching WRC highlights on Speed Channel in the US, and my first memories of rallying and my first sight of a rally car was this bright red Peugeot 307 tearing it up through Mexico.
Happened something similar to me! But I was older than you. In 2006 I was 20 years old when I knew about the rally in Guanajuato, México (I’m from Irapuato, Guanajuato, Mx) and I used to see this amazing car in the big banners by the highways. It was in 2007 when my uncle took me to the mountains to watch them! 🚗 💨
DD sports😂
12:37 "You can tell Corrado now three is enough"
16:10 legendary door smashing and door handle ripping xD
😂Lmao.😂
This car epitomised the shambolic quality of the "modern era" Peugeot build quality. You can tell from the moment Marcus excalims "I'm fed up with this car" that he's mentally checked out from then on in. Just a beaten man getting furtherly kicked. Thank God he switched to Ford and we got to see 2 more seasons of peak Gronholm magic!
Reliability has nothing to do with build quality
I have never forgiven this car in 15 years. A coupe-convertible with a 4-speed gearbox!? And every rally it kept getting stuck in 3rd gear! At least they got rid of it in 2005, but it wasn’t competitive enough against Citroën.
And then I watched Michael Park die in Wales *while standing on the same stage!*
Then Peugeot decided to put the old 2004 gearbox back in the car for Corsica. And guess what!? Like every gearbox problem in 2004, it got stuck in 3rd gear! That was my last straw for that 307.
At least Manfred Stohl gave it some redemption in 2006 by finishing 4th in the driver’s championship.
From the 206 which was a world winner to this piece of garbage.... When I see it through the stages my stomach turns upside down.
I don't now what possessed Peugeot to use the CC model of the 307 instead of the hatchback and fit it with a 4 speed gearbox
It was purely for marketing reasons
geez, I cant fathom how cursed that car is, especially since a man died while driving it.
My dad was at wales that year a few corners down from the accident
What's weird is that I'm sure that Gronholm said in Monte Carlo that in testing they never had really any issues with the car but it plagued them throughout 2004 especially the gearbox. It was a very quick car when it all came together. What's worse is that I saw on dirt fish an interview with Panizzi and they abandoned development of the 206 early and went the wrong way with the suspension which is why it wasn't to comeptetive to focus on the 307. If they hadn't stopped devlopment or changed the suspension they would have won in 2003 with the 2002 car in his opinion.
he didnt tell because as peugeots employe he isnt allowed so say a bad word about the car. so maybe they had enough issues but hoped they will find a way to solve it durig the season
11:45 not only gronholm had 3 gears in Finland
But harri rovanpera and Sebastian lindholm both had a huge crashes
In that years rally Germany Marcus gronholm went off the road after the start line and it broke the right rear suspension and that ended his rally
And some rally’s before that in New Zealand gronholm rolled just before the end of the stage he managed to recover to second place
And in the rally Australia gronholm went off twice first he hit the tree whilst leading the rally and then went off again when he reenter the super rally rules and it was a big impact
And Cedric Robert who was hired to drive the 307 went off the road in Corsica after hitting the puddle
6:34 The Suzuki's coming up behind.
I thought the sx4 wasn't in wrc till 2008 not 2004
@@JerCough5668 2007* But in 2004 it was the Ignis S1600 running in J-WRC category
What a clusterfuck this car was.
Bloody hell how many problems did this car have? My god they made a massive fuss with it.
0:52 Aj aj aj, mina nävar
1:08 Men gissa, ingen styrservo. Jag har två långa sträckor kvar och jag har fått nog av den här bilen!
7:18 Måste stanna för det kom upp en sten eller nånting genom Timos stol
12:29 Tre växlar, hela sträckan. Berätta för Corrado att tre räcker
Jaha, typiskt Grönholm-humor i rallyvärlden
13:45 Vi har avklarat sträckan, Men vi har tappat 4:an's och 5:an's växel!
(Timo Rautiainen)
13:58 Marcus. Din tid var ju katastrof.
...Jag har 1 växel.
Vadå 1?
3!
1:15 Marcus said that he was fed up with his car
4:25 yeah you can see the rocks on the left side of the screen and there’s the hit the left rear suspension is broken on his car and then he continued on until his gearbox once again gave up on him but rovanpera went even better by finishing third losing second place to loeb
15:15 carlsson made a reappearance in the wrc but he got into trouble by the rozzers for the tyre problem on his car
The only car with more problems than my marrige
Jean-Pierre Nicolas wished the 307 CC WRC could have given Gronholm more WRC titles.
16:13 🤣🤣👌🏻
just about sums that car up really
I remember that when I was 7 years old at the time
Same, dude. And even when i was first 4 years old then 5 years old in September of 23rd at the time.
@@oscarsunden3764yeah indeed
The reason why Loeb were so dominant in 2005 therefore? Solberg couldnt hold him off, and Marcus was in 307, had marcus drove for say Ford earlier than 2006 he might've closely challenge Loeb in 2005
what a damn car :D
I know it should not be funny, but this Peugeot 307 making Gronholm like a comedian.
3:21 this is the rally that he and his teammate were disqualified due to their cars being fitted with standard water pumps which is against the rules
20:31 This one's makes me laugh sometimes.
15:32 Moor piippel, moor piippel!!
Yup. But Daniel said More People.
Marcus hated that car so much. Should’ve just rolled the 206 back out
And to think I was about to buy a peugeot 😏
16.30 he almost sounds like Borat, "Woo Wee Woo Waa" ! :D
does marlboro still sponsor peugeot? neither product are any good but LOVE Marcus G and Timo R
No, cause Marlboro's not sponsor Peugeot anymore. And Marlboro sponsor Peugeot from 2003 to 2005, even World Rally Championship has banned all of cigarette & cigar signs forever.
@@oscarsunden3764 thank you
@@xeniakennedy Lol, No problemo.
where is the vid about Marcus' boots and him saying they are uncomfortable or what was the issue...?
Huikea kuski , näkee että anto kaikkensa
4:12 xDDDD
6:49 - 7:29 that’s what we’re here for
307 road version hdi is very reliable
307cc is failed car. Problems here problems there problems everywhere, but normal 307 was beast
0:52
I heard this weak voice for the first time
Marcus complained about how the power steering didn’t work, and that heavy steering wheel hit his hands.
@@olli5976
I think so to
He usually looks Strong That's why he was so tired of making such a fuss
I remember this, back then I was like 12 and still learning to listen in English so I'd just base myself off the footage, I kept thinking either the car was overheating or the steering wheel was too hot and he burned his hands off it but now that I remember, I don't know why it didn't go through my head that he's wearing flame-resistant gloves.
Oh boy, I was a big fan of Marcus and Peugeot and was surprised why they decided to race with a car that was way longer than the mighty 206
@@Snarfie
307 Was a strong machine but often admire the fact that I was caught
@@Snarfie Marketing and need for room to put tech inside
He seems to be hitting tail a lot. Peugeot 307 engine is reliable and fast but the choice of transmission, clutch and steering components are completely shite. Why a convertible???!???!?! A hatch would have been a lot more easier to control
The 307 was a very fast car.. but it was unbearably unreliable
Why does it sound like a 1960s UFO all the time?
The transmissions in these cars are almost always straight-cut transmissions. This reduces power losses at the cost of some extra noise.
Good compilation man, worst WRC car for sure
Thanks, man. I with ya BUT I think the Peugeot 307 is a nice WRC Rally Car and I understand, the car's got so many bad lucks and technical problems. Too bad.
Maybe you are Right.....you have to admit that the 307 CC wrc whale looks very good and sound great like a lion from the Peugeot family
@@adriankasprzyk5364 i dont know why but I like it more without the livery. Even tho Marlboro livery is legendary, I saw a test video with compeletely red car with white rims, that one looked sick! Very good sound yes, and lots of torque. Still, 206 did so much better that it's just sad
The car was actually very fast. Just horrendously unreliable. The next year it was quite good but the good drivers had already left
No, that goes to Suzuki sx4 wrc.
If you want a reliable car, anything is better option than a Peugeot.
Old Peugeots are rock solid though
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well at least they made the car so you didnt have to shift too much and getting stuck in 3rd isnt too much of a problem, right?
Should have gone with normal 307 not with this...
The civilian 307 is a pretty good car but the WRC one, holy shit it's garbage 😂
Actually the road going one is riddled with faults too. It’s not until 208 and 308 that Peugeot upped their manufacturing game.
They were absolutely crap!
I found the Renault Megane CC to be a bit better, ofcourse even that was meh. You're better off with a CLK or Audi A4 cabrio.
Or a Toyota Camry Solara V6 lmaooo
This car was cursed
The second the handle comes off in Gronholms hand as he goes to open the door tells you all you need to know about just how terrible this car was. It didn't want to be driven. And it would waste Marcus' time, kneecap Rovanpera's career pretty badly, be that big an embarrassment that it took Peugeot out of world rallying and tragically be the final ride for Michael Park
That 307 had nothing other than problems
They did that in the btcc and that got even worse results than this
マーカスティモコメディ
Every french car ever made, i'll say.
Renault and Citroen was fine. Only Peugeot. Except 905 that was better
Only those who know nothing of French cars and their racing pedagory would apply it to "every" French car
The 206 won wrc twice though
Remind me which car nationality won all the drivers' titles from 2004 to 2012
A car so temperamental and unreliable that even the doors can stop working.
All that sweet karma going to Provera for treating Delecour so badly
manual Gearbox is better, power steering simpler...
Why use the car if it fell apart on him so much 🤣 I’m buying the 307cc
somebody should send him toy Peugeot 307 in mail box
I dont see the problem, its a Peugeot, what do you want...
Reliability problems aside, it's possibly the worst looking rally car ever made. It looks like it came out of a Barbie playset.
Citroën BX 4TC has entered the chat, that was also a total moose. And the '04-'05 season Lancer WRC with that weird rear spoiler, god it looked awful.
Manfred Stohl dislikes this video
How do you know?
@@oscarsunden3764 just kidding. he says it's the best car he has ever driven
Lol Okay then.😏😁😏
@@zurnaka33 how did that man get 4th in 2006 it still baffles me
Them 307's were absolutely rubbish!
The worse rally car ever manufactured 307!! When drivers spoke the truth. Miss them characters
The 00-03 accent was worse
@@JerCough5668 What about the Cordoba ?
@Spyker8921 it wasn't great but there are worst things but that's another example of something worse than the 307
@@Spyker8921 the octavia is worse