A defense of Queenie not being able to read Grindelwald's mind properly is that, maybe, Grindelwald is also an accomplished Occlumens (like Snape), and can therefore block certain thoughts from being accessed by other people
Voldemort,a highly accomplished legilimens couldn't possibly read Grindelwald's mind while searching for elder wand..so he was killed by Voldemort ....this shows he was an accomplished occulumens
I love how in the fifth book Petunia refers to snape as “that horrible boy” and Harry and everyone else thought she was talking about James Potter until the 7th book
As far as Queenie's mind reading goes, did everyone just collectively forget that Occlumency is a thing? You know, the power to shut out mind readers? Good lord.
Yeah actually… The movie should have made that clear he was doing that. If that is the real reason and not just bad writing or a plot hole then it is still the movie’s fault for not showing why her mind reading failed her judgement.
Then what's the point of even having her as an ally if she can be deceived? In the next movie she gets asked by grindelwald to conferm if the person talking is lying, why does he trust her
This is true because I read this theory that Grindelwald was skilled at oclumency like Snape as voldemort couldn't read the mind of Grindelwald while trying to figure out the owner of the elder wand so I'm pretty sure he just blocked qeeniy ( pardon my spelling)
@@randomusername3873 I mean Occlumency is stated to be a fairly rare skill. It makes sense that a wizard as powerful as Grindelwald would know it, especially given his past association with Dumbledore, a character we know can use it. However, most people aren't aware that Occlumency is even a thing, and not everyone who knows about it is actually good at it (Harry for instance). So, for 99% of people, Queenie's ability would be incredibly useful.
The thing about Newt being "only a zookeeper", I think a lot of people tend to forget that he doesn't only keep and watch after lovely creatures like niffler but he deals with all sort of creatures, and magical creatures a lot of the time aren't exactly "lovely" and "peaceful" but Newt still being one piece and without visible harm to him despite dealing with all those creatures. So he should be pretty skilled in defense, has a very fast reaction and has bunch of other pretty useful skills when it comes to both dealing with wild magical creatures and combating a wizard.
Also Newt is the first of his kind I think. I might be wrong but I think before him wizards just treated the creatures as monsters and that was it. Newt changed that by actively searching for them and trying to understand them. He's the reason we see care for magical creatures class in the original HP series. It's not an easy job and it was a revelation. He might be a sweet hufflepuff but he's freaking important in more than one ways.
@@curiousuniverse7415 wait I thought people knew that..... I mean isn't he known as a famous magizoologist in the HP books? Plus it's something I wanted to specialize in as a kid... I wanted to be a dragon Tamer or a magizoologist.... My top 2 careers if I was in the HP world
The thing with Newt is actually a good way to show how people in the wizarding world thinks. If they're willing to recruit a magical zookeeper into fighting a wizarding terrorist because he got caught up in their conflict once, then it's no surprise that later on, they'll deem a baby to be their saviour because he was there when another wizarding terrorist supposedly died Edit: I'm scared that just like in the sequel trilogy, the fantastic beast franchise might end up getting retconned rewritten over and over because of people's reactions to it
Also, on Dumbledore’s sexuality... of course it wasn’t mentioned in the books. It’s told from Harry’s perspective, and there’s no reason for Harry to know this. What would Dumbledore just go, ‘Hey, just FYI, I’m Gay, bye.’
Why would Rowling be like "Hey FYI, Hermoine is black, and before toilets were invented wizards would relieve themselves, and vanish whatever came out"
I think the bigger issue is when this new movie franchise came about it was made very clear that Dumbledore was being thrown back into the closet. Sorry but JK doesn't get credit for an off hand comment in a single interview in 2007 when she was given the chance to actually follow through we got crickets. As much as randomly changing the race of Hermione made me cringe as a political move at least there was some follow through on that.
Well, as Harry explored and uncovered the truth about Dumbledore in the seventh book, it would’ve eventually come to light. You’re right, he wouldn’t have just been like “hey, i’m gay” but it should’ve been discussed/discovered by harry eventually. But is wasn’t, because J.K only said that Dumbledore was gay to please the LGBTQ+ community and feign supporting the inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in literature.
@@vikkran401 being straight doesn't need to be part of most characters for plot reasons but we know their sexualities anyways from character descriptions due from the author, even when it's not in the original story or related to the plot. Why do people have to justify being gay when no one has to justify being straight? If Dumbledore was confirmed straight and that he had a girlfriend during hogwarts that broke his heart and that's why he's currently single when asked by a fan or an interviewer, no one would care. It would just be extra lore being givin outside we of the books. Proof? McGonagall ALSO had a backstory added outside of the books but I don't hear people complaining that there's no proof she's straight and that her sexuality isn't plot relevant and there for is "unbelievable". Of all the characters with confirmed backstories and sexualities, only the gay one is being scrutinized. No one has to prove they are gay and it's the exact same as being straight, it's something that ONLY comes up when talking about a backstory and if someone hides their PRIVATE information then of course you'll never know. Being simply being gay isn't less believable than being straight and we never got anything confirming he's straight either so there's no proof against it. It's literally just about him being gay, and he is so get over it.
Probably because people just are to lazy to put in effort to understand which for some who aren't true fans just say 'I don't understand this so it's bad' but if someone did put in the effort it's a rewarding experience in my opinion
i thought the same thing but is there something that maybe grindelwald could not do enough occlumency since queenie was very talented legimens or something like that so she misread it?
Newt is not just a "Zookeeper" he wrote the book fantastic beasts after years of observation and let's not for get that he ranked each creature from harmless to dangerous. And let's also not forget that each creature he has, he saved 1 by 1 from their respective countries after months maybe years of venturing into uncharted dangerous territories. He Damn near domesticated a Nundu the most dangerous magical creature in existence
@@thatsabingo6695 he said it tho, Newt is not interested in power. Which means he is not the schemer type. Its very relaxing to work with him because you wont have to worry whether he will stab you on your back. Also in my opinion an auror will have a strict training on how they handle things like in a textbook. While Newt is a more of free style magician, cuz you couldnt rely on textbook when handling those fantastic beasts. These creatures have their own characters and sets of skills, if Newt could handle a lot of them, his technical skills (and instincts) are much more broad and advance than an auror. I feel like people look down on Newt cuz he is such a goofy and socially awkward guy. I mean sometime people doubt other people’s skills because they are shy and not confident about their own skills. While believe in people who looks confident enough even tho they might be actually worse. Also Getting Newt on your side is like “buy 1 get 1 for free”. You ask Newt for help, you are not only getting help from Newt but from his fantastic beasts as well. So you could say he might not be the best choice, but he is a trustworthy choice with lots of benefits.
@@thatsabingo6695 An auror has to work under certain laws and regulations plus the ministry didn't trust Dumbledore. So he needed to someone of his own someone who can adapt to situation like no one else can. An auror no matter how good has to use a wand to fight face to face with grindlewald who is one of the three most powerful wizards in centuries. He wouldn't last 5 seconds. where newt has a hundred tricks up his sleeves that no other Wizard can guess not even grindlewald
Don't trust people's review. Trust your own watching experience. When i watched it the first time, I was confused with lots of plots but after watching the 3rd movie, I went back to this. It all went so poetic. It doesn't mean it's a perfect movie. It just showed me so many details that I had forgot on my first watch.
Definitely not. As a director i would avoid the words "Rise of" in the title wherever i can, because it is just overused. Crimes of Grindelwald on the other hand is original.
My friend these days if a big UA-camr like MovieFlame and Theorist Family(Game, Food and Film) say here is my opinion then they will spend 20 minutes or more backing it up.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well that's what I love about MovieFlame is that he's able to say well I think this person's opinion is wrong and then be able to fully explain with evidence to back it up why he thinks that they're wrong. MovieFlame always gives essays that are so well thought out so articulate and backed up by actual evidence rather than them being empty opinions. because the one thing I learned in English class if you're going to give an opinion you need to have evidence to back up your opinion in order to make it valid and MovieFlame really does a great job of that.
I wish that Rowling had written the series as books first. She seems to be forgetting than she isn’t adapting books and the audience doesn’t have an existing story to go on. I hope the story will become clearer later.
While I liked the two movies, I do think you're right. It might take longer but ìf she still wants to take part of directing, it might be easier to write a summary of the important parts with an existing book. A book would also give us more time with some characters and more creatures :)
It's honestly hilarious how some of the criticisms are from people misinterpreting or completely misremembering entire scenes. It goes to show how easy it is to complain about something as opposed to analyzing and understanding it
It’s nice to see a critic that actually looks into a piece of media properly and cares about so much to find valid points and defend it rightfully, and it’s nice to see someone prove Cosmonaut Variety Hour wrong.
I used to like Cosmonaut for the lolz, but this is the first movie review that I caught all of his cherry picked evidence and misleading edits. Making certain plot points seem pointless and nonsensical when there were more legitimate criticisms to focus on. Ugh.
I like Cosmonaut but he clearly struggles with objective criticism of things he’s passionate about. You see the problem way more in his long form reviews, where he often has contradictory logic but doesn’t seem to notice.
Cosomaut is super entertaining but damn a lot of his criticism is either nitpicking or not analysing a scene properly. His Harry Potter movie reviews are arguably the biggest example of it. His bias against Rowling was so irritating and a lot ot the criticism for certain characters or plot points felt like the same usual, tiring, stupid thing people’ve been saying for a long time
@@tragicallyfunny theres also people like the critical drinker, i used to like him until his shang chi review. he talked multiple times about how shang chi has no chemistry with katy while in reality katy's grandmother asked shang chi and shang chi clearly said that theyre just friend. or about how he sarcastically doesnt like empowered women but at the same time he supports arcane with their empowered women. like whats the difference? arcane female characters are strong without diminishing the males, and in shang chi its also the same
A lot of great points, and I would like to add my own thoughts for consideration: Queenie: also remember that she was under a LOT of psychological stress at the time. In a bid to find her sister, she opened her mind to the crowd in Paris, and was inundated in thoughts. Imagine having hundreds of conversations echoing in your head all at once. Leta: I think she's meant to be a foil to Voldemort. Last of an old Pureblood family. Born of a loveless, coerced relationship. Involved in the deaths of family members. Involved in an incident with a magical beast that got an innocent student expelled. Yet despite her similarities, she made VERY different choices, further reinforcing Rowling's theme of choice, not birth, determining our destinies. For the hate, I think it's symptomatic of our times. People are just not as willing to wait or compromise as they used to be. (Great I sound like an old man don't I?). There's no "let's agree to disagree" anymore. As Anakin put it "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy".
That whole “just a zookeeper” has me so riled up. Everyone in literally every story is “just” one thing or another until the plot changes is up. Cinderella was “just a housemaid” until the plot happened Katniss Everdeen was “just a girl from District 12” until the plot happened Even Dumbledore himself was “JUST A PROFESSOR” until the plot with Grindelwald happens. The probability of a character being in a certain situation doesn’t matter because it’s a STORY
This video is just perfect. You have perfectly summed up why this is actually a good film with points that I agree with and make sense when you really think about it. You are definitely one of the smartest UA-camrs I know. Well done, Morgan. Oh and I can't believe you used a tweet I sent you in the video, lol.
The Cursed Child is total rubbish. I, too, like the FB movies, including Crimes of Grindelwald, but we need to realize the story isn't even half way told yet.
Exactly, and people need to stop thinking of it as another Harry Potter film. It is a whole different film in all ways, that happens to be in the same universe. I’m exited to see how Newt evolves. Also they did a great job laying out the plot threads going forward. Can’t wait for 3, I think it’ll show people that it’s a great series. It’ll be the key film that’s talked about for years.
We can all agree that the cursed child is a good play, but not good for Pottermore fans. Also people have to realise that this isn't a sequel. Its the explanation that the community have been asking for for a decade: what happened when Grindelwald was in power. It is every bit as detailed and perfectly plotted out as the first series, with outstanding characters. A work of genuis
I also had a negative reception primarily from outside sources since I only read the scriptwriting like a year ago but now I feel the need to slap myself in the face and reread the script
@Ben Franklin I understand your point, but that is there relationship because that is there characteristics. Newt is a shy, quiet, brave, considerate, uncomfortable, detailed character, and Tina is a little more outspoken, brave, kind, and flustered character. There character relationship is supposed to be awkward and especially after she thought that he got “engaged”, and she thought they had something. Frankly it makes sense that their relationship was a little off or “cringey.” The reason for that is because that is how they both felt, and going along with their personalities. It would make sense for it to be awkward especially for Tina, thinking that this man she had fallen in love with and gotten to know personally just got engaged. For Newt he has always been awkward, that is who he is so I think their relationship in this movie is realistic. It may be awkward because that is how it would be, besides they are going to make more movies so their relationship could improve. This was just to share my opinion, I’m not saying your wrong.
It’s like the deathly hallows part 1 movie. The trio strives to destroy horcruxes of Voldemort but the climax is the Malfoy Manor. All before the climax is preparation of the battle of hogwarts which is present in the sequel.
this video is perfection - very well done and everything very well said! you are in the right 100%, and it sounds like you really understand this story in ways that other people didn’t. thank you for pointing everything out that you did!
Tbh i prefer the second one more than the first one for many reasons 1.there are many likeable characters here in the first one i only liked newt and found him special Not even tina or queenie where in second one Not only ww found new epic characters like lita Theseus albus and gellert But also all those old characters became more likeable like queenie jacob 2. The first one film honestly had nothing like the hp we saw magic in the muggle world instead of the wizarding world we never saw hogwarts etc it was completely different which honestly made me mad that its just totally a different thing from the original series it was just for the sake of name where in the second one was related with hp we saw albus minerva hogwarts etc 3.that ending scene of the second movie that was just epic and also it left a lot of mysteries and curiosity about nagini and stuff we also saw her as a human not snake and she wasnt a bad woman 4.it was sirius and dark compared to the previous one the first one was bright and colorful(which i dont mind cz i really like colorful stuff but the story is about adults not teens like harry so this time i prefer the sirius one) But truly i love both of them honestly both of them are good and bad in their own way which makes it perfect
My main complaint is that these movies aren’t self-contained. Sure, there’s going to be 5 of them and they need an overarching story and conflict. But there were 7 HP books and each of them had their own thing going on. Philosopher’s Stone had, well, the philosopher’s stone. Goblet had the triwizard tournament. Even HPB had Slughorn’s memory and the search for the Horcrux. But fantastic beast movies have nothing going on. It’s like, the thing that these movies are about aren’t actually what the movies are about. In the first one, Newt’s trying to recapture his escaped beasts, but what’s actually important is Graves/Grindelwald seducing Credence. In the second one, everyone’s trying to figure out who Credence is, but it’s actually about Dumbledore trying to get his blood pact back. As an audience, we’re given no set up for this. We don’t know why we need to care. The second one is the biggest offender of this. You can’t watch only the second one. You’re going to have to watch the next movies to see why this one mattered. Prisoner of Azkaban was the first HP I saw. I didn’t catch everything, but it was easy to see why the things that were happening mattered. In Crimes of Grindelwald, if you had never watched any of the other movies, you’d have no idea what was going on the whole time and you would have no idea what the purpose of the movie was. All of it’s runtime is just building up to Newt getting the blood pact and us finding out Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore, 2 things that had absolutely no set up, and 2 things that have no explanation as to why we should care. So now we HAVE to watch the next ones.
Ther Was Set up to this innthe first Film. Credence ws adaptet that Was the Set up. Then the Bild he takes care of Sets up a Red hearing of the lestrange and the phonix
I have one question on Queenie not reading Grindelwalds mind correctly: Wouldn't it be possible that Grindelwald is just pretty good at Occlumency? That other wizards or witches can't shield themself from her Legilimancy could be due to the fact that she was born with a great aptitude for the skill. But even Voldemort couldn't read Grindelwalds mind so he had to be pretty good at Occlumency... I don't understand why everybody is so quick at hating things like that.
But Queenie first met Grindelwald's minion, who lured her into the house. I don't understand why she couldn't even read that woman's mind...And simply just followed her
The series is a prequel. Newcomers themselves need a justification as to why Queenie can't read his mind. Not just that, even old fans need some sort of confirmation because Grindelwald is not a developped character in the books or movies. We don't know the extent of his power. Sure, being a great Occlumens seems like a given, but it really wouldn't hurt to tell us so that no one is left wondering why a woman with the natural gift of mind reading can't get inside his head
I always figured Grindelwald was a master at occlumency, and also likely he knows how to manipulate a legilimens by giving false information. I think people forget how powerful Grindelwald actually was, possibly because we never really see Dumbledore's "true power" in Harry Potter bar little flashes
Movie flame, I need you to know that this video pretty much put me in tears. I agree with you so much in this and the call out of other videos is very appropriate. I remember watching the cosmonaut video a while ago and it thinking that a lot of his character evaluations are just so false but I saw a majority of the internet agreeing with it... it’s not the best movie better but there are a ton of great qualities
Payton Lara regarding Queenie, it also fits her personality. She wants to live a life in America with Jacob, but him being a Muggle and she being a wizard, they legally couldn’t. It makes sense for her to join Grindewald because he is campaigning for the values and freedoms she believes in. The freedom to love whoever, regardless if they are magical or not. Her character in the second movie is not a plot hole, it’s an arc. An arc that reflects her character and desires, and eventually the arc will complete with her joining the right side.
Great job. Finally some different view rather than just everyone bashing the movie and jumping on the hater bandwagon. It's like they really let the hate or others' opinion overshadow their own thought. Like, do people seriously think the person who writes one of the most successful novel series in the world would just put random retcon into the story? Nah...smh Internet is the place where information and opinion spread fast. What make it worse is that people often jump to the conclusion or follow what most others think without giving proper thought before. Thank you very much for making this video.
Your videos always get me back into Harry Potter. Like when I stop reading the books or watching videos and the movies, its for a while But then when you come out with another video, it gets me straight back into it
Phenomenal and precise analysis of the crimes of Grindelwald. And I completely concur that this underrated film was quite enjoyable and a lot of missed details by audiences
@@Xehanort10 Nagini literally means half human half snake.Where I come from it is a common knowledge because a lot of movies are made on this concept.It was actually quite predictable for me.
It comes down to the poor plot structure and the changes to established canon that shows a greater lack of appreciation for the harry potter franchise(yes i include JK rowling in this because as we have seen over the last 5 years, she has given up on having the Harry potter universe make sense anymore)
I loved this movie also still do. It has it problems but ultimately I think it's a great movie. The story was compelling and actors/actresses were great.
They gave JK too much power and she's not a filmmaker. I get that she probably had Johnny Depp posters on her wall as a girl but he was terrible choice for Grindelwald.
The thing I have to say about Jacob remembering is you have to pay attention to the ending of the first movie. Jacob walks into the obliviating rain, then Queeny kisses him. If the obliviate spell got rid of only the memories of the magical world. To Jacob, all he would possibly remember is this lady (Queeny) kissing him as he left the underground. And then, when Queeny and him meet again in his bakery, he very well could have remembered her from the kiss. Queeny then informs Jacob about what all had happened. This is also shown when he only remembered the “good parts”, or Queeny kissing him. And then he starts to remember through Queeny trying to reinstate his memory, and it worked, informing him of everything else. That’s just my theory on why Jacob was able to remember at least some stuff.
Newt also mentions the poison acting against "bad memories" early during the first film. It really isn't much of a stretch in my opinion. Anyway, that Jacob would return was kind of easy to anticipate. In fact, I would have been disappointed if he had not :D
I so totally agree bc i watched the movies before i read the books and decided that my least favorite was goblet of fire bc the pacing was weird and the entire beginning of the movie felt like fluff. it wasn’t until i went back and read the books the goblet of fire became my favorite bc it’s the first book that really sets up the events to follow
Newt: She has eyes like a Salamander Jacob: **stares** Jacob: Don't say that! I just literally choked on my tea (coffee? idk it tasted like both of them, my mom made it)
I actually loved the Crimes of Grindelwald. When I saw how much hate it was getting I was so confused. I had no problems with it the many-characters-complicated-plot. I watch GoT, it's what I'm used to. And yes, maybe, they didn't go very deep in most of them. But that's because this movie I think serves as an intriguing set up for the next. Tons of things changed since the first one, which served to introduce us in depth with the characters. This one was plot focused. I'm really looking forward for the next movie, we're both aspects (characters and plot) I hope will have more space to come together.
And that's the reason why you're my favorite Harry Potter Channel. I love how you see beyond the obvious and look closely the details. Congratulations for this amazing job. Can't wait for more.
Newt: *Gets chosen for doing heroic stuff in the first film* Critics: Bruh why'd he get chosen he literally did nothing in the first movie? Also critics: Are we just going to pretend the first movie didn't exist?!
He's just a zookeeper lol, he did NOTHING in the first film except using a revealing charm. He's not a talented villain. He gets his ass beat in the first film.
The only reason he detained and revealed grindelwald is because he was both distracted and because graves had just tried to murder him and manipulate the obscurus. It should've been pretty obvious by then.
@@ascendedapollo5386 well R U DUMB?? newt didn't use his powers he took a different approach a lighter and like a Hufflepuff This is why he doesn't fight back And also he didn't get chosen bcz he is powerful blah blah blah He got chosen bcz he doesn't want to be powerful or popular He goes for right and honesty He was a perfect choice as a hero
I doubt anyone sees this but here’s my opinion. Incredibly underrated a lot of amazing elements to this film. However my main problem is when they decided to spend so long explaining leta lestranges backstory only to kill her off. It really felt pointless to do that also we only learned what happened to credence past in the last five minutes. However the acting is on point the action is once again fun. It shows a new side to the hp universe fun yet dark. And while it’s not as well done as it’s predecessor and uses some really weak plot points it’s really not that bad it’s a good movie just not the best.
I don´t consider it canon, nor really Harry Potter related, The connection is just there for money. But on its own, it might be a great movie. I just don´t like how people consider it canon, as I said.
Totally agree. The backstory part (also Kama, lol) has no importance to the movie. Cut it off and I think it won't change anything. Also I agree that all of the actors were doing their best.
@@sugandhakohli also this isn’t a cash grab. They have meaning in why they were made. It’s like the prequels. It’s better than a sequel to a story because they know how it’s gonna end up.
@@drax8195 It’s more like Order of the Phoenix all over again. This is due to the fact that everyone hates book 5 because it’s too long and Harry is angsty.
I had no idea people hated this movie I was really obsessed with this movie when it came out it was really amazing like how could people hate newt he is sweet little puffball cinnamon roll like hello excuse me. Jokes aside every character added the depth to the story and I loved it.
I'm glad you agree. Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald was an excellent movie. In my opinion, the reason why it got so many bad reviews was because people went into the movie with the wrong mindset. As a theorist, I walked into the movie looking for cool hidden details, worldbuilding, and set ups for the next installment, all of which were delivered excellently in the film. I think most other people went to see the movie forgetting that it's only movie two in a five part series. Most of the hate comments I've seen for it are about how it's way too late to be setting up people like Aurelius Dumbledore or Queenie's betrayal and stuff like that; they are forgetting that there's (hopefully) three more installments to go where all of that can get resolved. And I know the movie isn't without mistakes, but the "mistakes" that most people harp on about are actually some of the movie's best qualities. So thank you for your assessment; I was happy to see that another person felt the same way that I did.
No Newt slander shall be tolerated! The fact that he is awkward, modest, and humble makes him endearing to me. Leta was also important for me because she’s the only woman of color I’ve ever seen in the Harry Potter franchise! The films have not been known to be very diverse so I was very excited to see her on screen 💓
My first throught while watching the first FB movie was "this feels just like reading the HP books" and your video gives evidence that the 2nd FB is even more so. I totally agree on the diffrence between book writing and screen writing, because books has the time to go deeper into small details simply by wording it out. Movies on the other hand are often boring when they are too wordy, and it feels like it holds holdsback the story that is being told. I didnt think about it, but I totally agree: The film is a bad adaption on a screenplay that shouldve been a book. I think in general Rowling shouldve written this story as a book series first, and then get a screenwrite adapt them instead
I think people are also complaining about Nagini not being the way they imagined her after seeing her in the Harry Potter movies. But I never understood this complain because there are still three movies to come out which could and will show her character development 🤗
Or they just don't understand, hp in whole is not simple to understand too quickly, we read books or re-watch movies to get lot of deep connections and understand elements
1. There were no books for FB. If you're referring to the HP books then that is the exact reason that most people have issues with FB because a lot of what is established canon in the books is rewritten (even within the later books themselves). 2. I watched both the films and even I think JKR should never be allowed near a script. They should take away all her writing tools once she has finished a story and not allow her to touch a franchise again.
I've watched "The Crimes of Grindelwald" so many times I've lost count! This movie is amazing and I'm glad you've preached the truth about WHY it's amazing!
Personally I love this movie. yeah, it have its flaws, its not a perfect movie, for example I think they should have let the deleted scene from the dance in the reunion of Leta and Teseus because it gave a lot of context on the way she was feeling and I think is quite important for the 3º act of the movie. Appart from that people is pissed at... such stupid things like McGonagall being alive. Its a freaking cameo, its not that big of a deal, and I am a Potterhead at heart, the Harry Potter movie saga have much more worse problems by itself than this movie and people still praise the movies at adapting the source material. Crimes of Grindelwalde for me its a very good movie, with flaws, but a very good movie. A lot of people which I talked with told me that the problem they had with the movie its that the could not follow the story but the way its written I dont see clearly a problem? After talking, this was after the first time I watched it and I put some examples of scenes I discovered that a lot of the people who couldnt follow the movie was because they wasnt really watching it with their brain turn on, they completely missed some of the dialog of scenes, I was baffled. Another complain I heard during that first watch was that "it doesnt have enough fantastic beast"... because its not the focus of the movie?. The first movie was the presentation of Newt, his work, the beasts, the second movie is a continuation of the story with a change of focus for a more revolution-drama, if you are looking for a zoo trip this is not your franchise. I cant say more about the other issues people have with this movie because you have said it all. Grindelwald is an amazing character to base something off, and not only that, its such a change with the Harry Potter story. In Harry`s story we focus on United Kingdom for the most part, Voldemort was such a massive problem there but we dont really know from other parts of the world. Grindelwald creates a bigger narrative, a bigger issue and a bigger moral compass. Not only you have sort of the same problem with blood (harry potter kind of racism), but you have too the fight the fight for love muggles and wizards, the different focus of different countries and the change of point of view by having adults as the protagonist rather than children. The saga grows with their fans. I am a big fan of the Marauders but having a movie focus on the war before Harry`s incident would be kind of pointless and we would have the same lack in universe expansion. Voldemort is the egocentric true black and white evil. "we are bad guys", Grindelwald is grey, its political, its calculated, he want to be seen as the good guy, in some way he MAYBE thinks he is a good guy. The entire point of the scene where he is giving a speach is to show he is a freaking manipulative person, and how a desesperate person like Queenie could fall for his trap. He is tempting her, he is telling her what he knows she want to hear, because he needs her with him, because he is planing of using her to have access to the mind of credence because he KNOWS Credence is not going to trust him again that easily. About Newt. Have we seen the same movie? movieSS? I just... I cant say more of what you explained. Its perfect. About Queenie, here I have to say something that a lot of people maybe didnt realize because its a very sutil thing in the movie. Ok. We have Queenie, who have been shown to be completely desesperate all movie, sick of fighting against a society who tries to keep her appart of the person which she loves. ok. Now she is alone in france, all the voices are driving her crazy, She is with a oversesory thing in the streets and suddently there is... silence. What does this mean? For those who know about harry potter is something very clear. Let me explain. Queenie is a Legilimens, a concept in the harry Potter movies its explain around the 5º or 6º film with Snape training Harry to learn the contrary ability; Occlumency. Legilimens is the ability to read minds and feelings. Occlumency is the ability to protect your own mind of this kind of abilities, that is what Snape tried to teach Harry because He knew Voldemort had that ability to enter Harry`s mind. With that Silence in the middle of all the noise around her We are shown (not tell) that Queenie cant read that woman`s mind, so we can assume She cant read Grindelwald mind either. The fear shown in Queenie during the scene where she meets him is clear of this. She is feeling insecure, she doesnt know anything and thats new to her so she want to leave quickly. Maybe they could have been less subtle? yeah, maybe. But I dont know if they wanted it to be a mistery until the next film. idk. I am going to stop because if not this is going to be much much more long.
I know I know "too much text" but I have so many opinions and things about this movie and I just needed to share it because I dont find much people who like this movie or even want to talk about it. Anyway good video and you dont know how much I appreciatte you did this. Thank you. Btw: if someone want to talk about Credence being Dumbledore`s family. I have a theroy and I would love to talk but this comment was too long.
Don't worry, I understand you very well. Repeating to people logical arguments why this movie isn't actually so bad and why i love it, became boring to me already :p
The thing is when the movie has tiny details people turn to UA-camrs who review movie and shit, when they also bash the movies then the audience does it too no hate to any UA-camrs or people but they should be more careful about this kind of things
@@jordancreed3003 It's not about Opinion. I talking about channels like MovieFLame, which breakdown the movie. It isn't wrong to turn towards UA-camrs for opinions, but these UA-camrs should be much more careful for hating something because as seen from previous dramas, setting your audience against someone can be really bad if they didn't deserve it. And, yes I do watch the movie and make opinions by myself, but I am a diehard fan, I watch movies that I like again and again. Though this can't be said about the average movie viewer who will watch it for fun and then watch a youtube video further explaining the plot.
Also, I personally don't enjoy when you have to pay attention to individual lines of dialogue to understand what's happening in a film. I think it's a lot better when character movitations are clear through all their actions rather than only when you pay attention to these certain lines.
Tbh I watched CoG again recently and thought that plot-wise it was pretty solid honestly, especially from the hogwarts scene onwards. I did however feel that the beginning, aside from being very fast paced, also had an infuriating camera that would not stop moving all over the place and zoomed in far too close on the characters' faces leaving me uncomfortable. I suppose I was wondering whether you felt the same way when watching the movie from someone who doesn't like the movie as much?
As i said when i watched it and talked to my working colleagues: if you are a potterhead you gonna like it. If you are not that into the wizarding world, you probably find it confusing.
Finally somebody agrees Crimes of Grindelwald is highly underrated thank you so much for making this video. It's about time somebody defended this masterpiece, I feel bad for JK Rowling I think she did a great job with the script for this movie as she did for Where To Find Them. Grindelwald's escape in the carriage is the most epic opening scene in the entire Wizarding World franchise, Queenie siding with Grindelwald added dimention to her character and Credence being revealed to be Aurelius Dumbledore was a awesome cliffhanger. Also Leta is the most sympathetic character in the series since Snape, the Baby Nifflers were adorable and the Zowu is currently my favourite Fantastic Beast. Sure some of this movie felt like a set up but it's a necessary set up that will make the 3rd movie work and not boring like people say, Half Blood Prince is far more boring. I'm beyond hyped for Fantastic Beasts 3 in 2021!
@@eivonhanna4479 I honestly don’t know about that, have you even seen her tweets? Everything she says are facts which were pushed by news articles and SJW’s. Btw im not transphobic, around a quarter of my friends are trans.
I feel bad that such an amazing and wonderful series is getting so much flack cause of JK, but I don't feel bad for JK herself cause of the hatred that she spews out of her mouth and trying to use a series that is near and dear to my heart to try and influence other people with her crap
And this is why I never let people sway my opinion of a movie. Unless it's Percy Jackson. I wholeheartedly agree on that critique. Especially after having read the first 2 books
This is such a good video! I'm that person that's read the original HP books like 20 times and STILL managing to discover a new detail each time 🤔 I needed to watch this video fr, and now I can rewatch CoG movie actually knowing what's up 😍
FINALLY somebody gets Grindelwald for who he is i mean he is Dark and all but as you said he has a line but he has depth and black and white Voldemort is just Dark
apparently the next movie plays at least 13 years later - considering the franchise has always used different actors to portray the characters in different time periods, it might work out after all.
@@vikkran401 your right lol like any one emma and rupert anyone i cant see any others as harry other than dan ,Hermione emma and Ron Rupert they are the best
Are we the only people that remember these movies getting review bombed from the start by the e-mob "believe-all-women"ing amber heard? People were ready to hate these movies before they released. It's a shame how this went for Depp when it could have been an amazing role
She also said Dumbledor was gay when a director was creating one of the movies and wanted to have Dumbledor think back to a girl he was in love with as a young boy. J.K Rowling denounced this immediately and told the director he was gay. Great video!
I would just like to mention that when Queenie was talking with Rosier, and then waiting for the “special guest” (aka Grindelwald) the tea pot was being very persistent in trying to give Queenie more tea, so maybe the tea is working like the imperious curse. Cause from those that joined Grindelwald at the end (walking through the blue flames), Queenie felt pain while walking through, so maybe it’s that the tea is what’s making her be loyal to Grindelwald, but Queenie herself doesn’t actually want to be loyal to him, hence why she felt pain while walking through the flames
I'm so glad you made this video because those other movie reviewers were pissing me tf off and most of them didn't even know what the hell they were talking about smh like if you're going to review a movie just make sure you understand it and know what's going on and actually pay attention to it before coming out saying some bullshit
I enjoyed it too. It may have lacked some excitement but it's the bridge, taking us from newt and his fantastic beasts, to dumbledore and grindelwalds story.
i like how jk rowling managed to bring up political themes, for example, corruption, bribery, manipulation. it is such a big aspect in her books (obviously in the harry potter series) aside from that she has such a talent for foreshadowing and exposition. i love that she writes relevant character arcs that aren't just there for the purpose of the plot, like how she gives each character their own story and trials to overcome which all lead to the climax of the series or film basically while she has usually no idea how to use her twitter account as a decent human being, she is a genius novelist (i say usually bc she does give out good points that help us understand the story more in there, i just wish that was all she did)
I can see why some viewers might not like this movie, but most arguments I’ve heard are the same. The major problem is the format. The structure is different from the mostly used movie formula. Thus, people are confused. But still, isn’t the situation with most mini-series the same? Apart from the fact that we get the next episode within a week/day/month. Btw, as if people never watched anything with multiple perspectives. The movie does not deserve the hate it gets. (And yes, JK, unfotrunately, is not making it all better by her tweets)
I think the Problem is we don't have a Book series to reference. JK should have written a book and then Someone who has written Screenplays should have written the Screeplays for the movies Under some guidance by JK cuz her vision is obviously needed.
True I mean The Crimes of Grindelwald is pretty much like 2012 in terms of following a lot of character's journey. People forget that Fantastic Beasts is not just about a single protagonist. It's not about a chosen one that needs to be followed. It's about a lot of character's that will make decisions to shape the world that we know in the Harry Potter. These characters are basically like historical figures in our real life.
@@atharvadeshpande4749 probably.. But again, I suppose, as the HP movies show, there’s no guarantee that in this cace movies would be consistent, as some plot lines would be cut. Thus repeating the ‘to understand this you should read a book’ thing the original series had.
I JUST CAN SAY THIS IS THE BEST AND THE MOST SATISFYING UA-cam VIDEO I HAVE WATCHED IN 2020. All I can say is "Thank You". the feedbacks and reviews for this movie have been so irritating to me since it got premiered. When I first watched the movie I was literally astonished and speechless, I was screaming the whole time, and yes I can say it's my favorite movie of 2018. Jo's level of detailing is not appreciated enough. everything you mentioned literally made me so satisfied and happy, you are truly the best youtuber out here, your effort and hard work is really showing off, you are truly dedicated to what you're doing in the most inspiring way. I have been amazed by your channel for a very long time now. I literally just can't thank you enough for everything you do.
Until now i still confused why almost everyone hate this movie (especially the main villain-Grindelwald). I am still thinking this sequel is brilliant and well-scripted. Grindelwald is the better villain compared to voldemort, that's why his followers and crime rate are very huge and globally. He was not only feared by people on the opposite side, but his thoughts were respected so that many people who were originally on the good side turned to him.
Finally, somebody willing to defend Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald. I have let the public sway me on the film, before, honestly, even watching it. I’m more than willing to watch the film now.
For all we know, he might just be filling in temporarily, or might not have taken the Transfiguration post yet. McGonagall....idk, I think that is a genuine problem.
He gets fired from DADA in the movie. The books say he taught transfiguration when Riddle was at school, they don't say that's what he always taught. Snape and Quirrell also taught two subjects.
I recon Queenie is under the imperius curse. Because one thing I noticed about Queenie is that in the beginning of the movie Jacob "almost" calls her crazy yet when he actually does say it in the last act she pretty much ignores this very personal insult.
A defense of Queenie not being able to read Grindelwald's mind properly is that, maybe, Grindelwald is also an accomplished Occlumens (like Snape), and can therefore block certain thoughts from being accessed by other people
I had the same thought :D
i mean c'mon we r talking about GRINDELWALD
EXACTLY!!!!
Not maybe he is, he has to be! Why would he not?
Voldemort,a highly accomplished legilimens couldn't possibly read Grindelwald's mind while searching for elder wand..so he was killed by Voldemort ....this shows he was an accomplished occulumens
I love how in the fifth book Petunia refers to snape as “that horrible boy” and Harry and everyone else thought she was talking about James Potter until the 7th book
yeah, can you imagine what would have happened if petunia referred Snape as his name
@@matthewthetransportguy3515 ikr imagine 😳
@@nikhilsinha1990 this is just a bit of a chat that's all.
I had never noticed it!
tbh when i read that part I'm like
"Oh.. But that's Snape isn't it-"
Of course Dumbledore wanted Newt to help. He's Stephen Hawking for crying out loud
**synthesized laughter**
@Amy Turnham that is the joke...
Lmao
I wheezed after this I couldn't find Air to breathe and Laugh 😂😂😂
@@prizmarvalschi1319 oh my gosh. Haha
As far as Queenie's mind reading goes, did everyone just collectively forget that Occlumency is a thing? You know, the power to shut out mind readers? Good lord.
Yeah actually… The movie should have made that clear he was doing that. If that is the real reason and not just bad writing or a plot hole then it is still the movie’s fault for not showing why her mind reading failed her judgement.
I’m scared for Americans the entire nation cannot halfway critically think 🤔 even a little
Then what's the point of even having her as an ally if she can be deceived?
In the next movie she gets asked by grindelwald to conferm if the person talking is lying, why does he trust her
This is true because I read this theory that Grindelwald was skilled at oclumency like Snape as voldemort couldn't read the mind of Grindelwald while trying to figure out the owner of the elder wand so I'm pretty sure he just blocked qeeniy ( pardon my spelling)
@@randomusername3873 I mean Occlumency is stated to be a fairly rare skill. It makes sense that a wizard as powerful as Grindelwald would know it, especially given his past association with Dumbledore, a character we know can use it. However, most people aren't aware that Occlumency is even a thing, and not everyone who knows about it is actually good at it (Harry for instance). So, for 99% of people, Queenie's ability would be incredibly useful.
My opinion is that this would’ve made a great book, but they needed a director to cut out fat and make it less meandering
Or they need to get rid of the arbitrary 2hr 15 min time limit.
let's not make every film that has a good idea or an underlying good thing about it have a directors cut.
@@aarongeoghegan2161 agreed. We don’t need a longer film, we needed a streamlined film that trimmed the fat
@Sunny Sunny but a longer film would’ve still meandered. A lot had to be cut out
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The thing about Newt being "only a zookeeper", I think a lot of people tend to forget that he doesn't only keep and watch after lovely creatures like niffler but he deals with all sort of creatures, and magical creatures a lot of the time aren't exactly "lovely" and "peaceful" but Newt still being one piece and without visible harm to him despite dealing with all those creatures. So he should be pretty skilled in defense, has a very fast reaction and has bunch of other pretty useful skills when it comes to both dealing with wild magical creatures and combating a wizard.
Also Newt is the first of his kind I think. I might be wrong but I think before him wizards just treated the creatures as monsters and that was it. Newt changed that by actively searching for them and trying to understand them. He's the reason we see care for magical creatures class in the original HP series. It's not an easy job and it was a revelation. He might be a sweet hufflepuff but he's freaking important in more than one ways.
Plus he is not equivalent to a zoo-keeper. he is equivalent to a zoo-logist and there is a great difference between these two .
@@curiousuniverse7415 wait I thought people knew that..... I mean isn't he known as a famous magizoologist in the HP books? Plus it's something I wanted to specialize in as a kid... I wanted to be a dragon Tamer or a magizoologist.... My top 2 careers if I was in the HP world
He’s a Pokémon trainer
nifffler cute
"Watching in my home theater" lmao he is at least humble
In my head, I was like “must be nice”
Lowkey flex
@@AAKtheThird highkey flex tf you mean
What TV is that? Looked like an 80-incher.
that's a whole ass wall
The thing with Newt is actually a good way to show how people in the wizarding world thinks. If they're willing to recruit a magical zookeeper into fighting a wizarding terrorist because he got caught up in their conflict once, then it's no surprise that later on, they'll deem a baby to be their saviour because he was there when another wizarding terrorist supposedly died
Edit: I'm scared that just like in the sequel trilogy, the fantastic beast franchise might end up getting retconned rewritten over and over because of people's reactions to it
Judging by the trailer of Secrets of Dumbledore, it's already happening.
Also, on Dumbledore’s sexuality... of course it wasn’t mentioned in the books. It’s told from Harry’s perspective, and there’s no reason for Harry to know this. What would Dumbledore just go, ‘Hey, just FYI, I’m Gay, bye.’
Why would Rowling be like "Hey FYI, Hermoine is black, and before toilets were invented wizards would relieve themselves, and vanish whatever came out"
I think the bigger issue is when this new movie franchise came about it was made very clear that Dumbledore was being thrown back into the closet. Sorry but JK doesn't get credit for an off hand comment in a single interview in 2007 when she was given the chance to actually follow through we got crickets. As much as randomly changing the race of Hermione made me cringe as a political move at least there was some follow through on that.
Well, as Harry explored and uncovered the truth about Dumbledore in the seventh book, it would’ve eventually come to light. You’re right, he wouldn’t have just been like “hey, i’m gay” but it should’ve been discussed/discovered by harry eventually. But is wasn’t, because J.K only said that Dumbledore was gay to please the LGBTQ+ community and feign supporting the inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in literature.
@@vikkran401 being straight doesn't need to be part of most characters for plot reasons but we know their sexualities anyways from character descriptions due from the author, even when it's not in the original story or related to the plot.
Why do people have to justify being gay when no one has to justify being straight?
If Dumbledore was confirmed straight and that he had a girlfriend during hogwarts that broke his heart and that's why he's currently single when asked by a fan or an interviewer, no one would care.
It would just be extra lore being givin outside we of the books.
Proof? McGonagall ALSO had a backstory added outside of the books but I don't hear people complaining that there's no proof she's straight and that her sexuality isn't plot relevant and there for is "unbelievable". Of all the characters with confirmed backstories and sexualities, only the gay one is being scrutinized.
No one has to prove they are gay and it's the exact same as being straight, it's something that ONLY comes up when talking about a backstory and if someone hides their PRIVATE information then of course you'll never know.
Being simply being gay isn't less believable than being straight and we never got anything confirming he's straight either so there's no proof against it.
It's literally just about him being gay, and he is so get over it.
you expect a telling of Dumbledore's sexuality in children's books?
I watched this film 3 times now and I can't understand why people hate it.
I think because it did not live up to the expectations set by the previous movie.
People are just not focusing on tiny details
I know its so good i love this film
Probably because people just are to lazy to put in effort to understand which for some who aren't true fans just say 'I don't understand this so it's bad' but if someone did put in the effort it's a rewarding experience in my opinion
It seams like one of em said it’s bad and now everyone else agreeing like sheeps
Also, couldn’t Grindewald have been using Occlememcy to shield his true thoughts and intentions from Queenie?
hence the reason why Queenie failed at intrerpreting Grindelwald's thoughts.
I think its different with Queenie because she has this power and was born with it.
Exactly
He was doing it, Exactly my Point, you are right.
i thought the same thing but is there something that maybe grindelwald could not do enough occlumency since queenie was very talented legimens or something like that so she misread it?
Newt is not just a "Zookeeper" he wrote the book fantastic beasts after years of observation and let's not for get that he ranked each creature from harmless to dangerous. And let's also not forget that each creature he has, he saved 1 by 1 from their respective countries after months maybe years of venturing into uncharted dangerous territories. He Damn near domesticated a Nundu the most dangerous magical creature in existence
So he’s an environmental conservationist rather than a zookeeper? Still a worse choice than an auror.
@@thatsabingo6695 he said it tho, Newt is not interested in power. Which means he is not the schemer type. Its very relaxing to work with him because you wont have to worry whether he will stab you on your back. Also in my opinion an auror will have a strict training on how they handle things like in a textbook. While Newt is a more of free style magician, cuz you couldnt rely on textbook when handling those fantastic beasts. These creatures have their own characters and sets of skills, if Newt could handle a lot of them, his technical skills (and instincts) are much more broad and advance than an auror. I feel like people look down on Newt cuz he is such a goofy and socially awkward guy. I mean sometime people doubt other people’s skills because they are shy and not confident about their own skills. While believe in people who looks confident enough even tho they might be actually worse.
Also Getting Newt on your side is like “buy 1 get 1 for free”. You ask Newt for help, you are not only getting help from Newt but from his fantastic beasts as well. So you could say he might not be the best choice, but he is a trustworthy choice with lots of benefits.
@@thatsabingo6695 An auror has to work under certain laws and regulations plus the ministry didn't trust Dumbledore. So he needed to someone of his own someone who can adapt to situation like no one else can. An auror no matter how good has to use a wand to fight face to face with grindlewald who is one of the three most powerful wizards in centuries. He wouldn't last 5 seconds. where newt has a hundred tricks up his sleeves that no other Wizard can guess not even grindlewald
So what if he wrote a book?
@@samuelhatlestad6676 he did something with his life at least compared to you
Now this is a Potterhead channel I trust
Same
Yeah i love this channel
Yep
Me too not Seamus Gorman’s though.
same
The weirdest complaint about this movie is that people thought credence's was dead. Honestly how do you miss that?
Juuuuuup
not paying attetion.... im pretty sure i knew he was still alive
The plot is simply boring: one guy is evil and powerful, u cant defeat him, the end
No it’s not plot is amazing
Exactly! Especially since it's not something that needed to be extrapolated from details or assumed; you just have to, you know, watch the movie.
I honestly wish she would have released these as 5 books that go along with the movies
The firs book wasnt really a book either. It was more like a screenplay
YESSSSS!!! Finally someone with a lick of sense.
It would be really cool and hopefully once all the movies release she will do so
Lol a 7 book series please🙇♀️
I think she might have done better to write books, publish them and let them be turned into movies.
Don't trust people's review. Trust your own watching experience. When i watched it the first time, I was confused with lots of plots but after watching the 3rd movie, I went back to this. It all went so poetic. It doesn't mean it's a perfect movie. It just showed me so many details that I had forgot on my first watch.
Personally I think it should have been called: The Rise of Grindelwald
Then tf you call the first movie
@@cameronscamerabusiness6675 Fantastic Beasts and Where to find them? I mean idk the 1st dosen't even have the world grindelwald in it
Definitely not. As a director i would avoid the words "Rise of" in the title wherever i can, because it is just overused. Crimes of Grindelwald on the other hand is original.
Me: IMPROVING THAT TITLE
I still have ptsd from rise of shitwalker so no
Me seeing the title:
"People hate this movie?"
@@hardikbalani2057 I literally didnt know this movie had any bad criticism until is saw this video lol
I love it
@@arwaa_00 Same! I really liked Jude Law as Dumbledore.
Same
same reaction to me when i found about people hating the star wars prequels
MovieFlame really just went, “Well, Here’s why your wrong!” And pulled up a power point 😂
My friend these days if a big UA-camr like MovieFlame and Theorist Family(Game, Food and Film) say here is my opinion then they will spend 20 minutes or more backing it up.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@nahlataha1744 Yeah and then there are people who say this is my opinion, and yours is wrong! with no evidence. For example Ricegum
Well that's what I love about MovieFlame is that he's able to say well I think this person's opinion is wrong and then be able to fully explain with evidence to back it up why he thinks that they're wrong. MovieFlame always gives essays that are so well thought out so articulate and backed up by actual evidence rather than them being empty opinions. because the one thing I learned in English class if you're going to give an opinion you need to have evidence to back up your opinion in order to make it valid and MovieFlame really does a great job of that.
But he’s right
@@nahlataha1744 I love all of these channels.
Grindelwald:Knows love and actually has a heart.
Voldemort:Has no heart.
I wish that Rowling had written the series as books first. She seems to be forgetting than she isn’t adapting books and the audience doesn’t have an existing story to go on. I hope the story will become clearer later.
While I liked the two movies, I do think you're right. It might take longer but ìf she still wants to take part of directing, it might be easier to write a summary of the important parts with an existing book.
A book would also give us more time with some characters and more creatures :)
Yeah that was the main problem of the movie that’s why it was bad
Yeah i agree personally i feel the script format it lacking and doest tell enouh about a story, unless its being presented
Book set in this period would be amazing, and would probably be better than just movies.
@@venmis137 yeah, she should have writen books and then they should have adapted them.
It's honestly hilarious how some of the criticisms are from people misinterpreting or completely misremembering entire scenes. It goes to show how easy it is to complain about something as opposed to analyzing and understanding it
Exactly or bandwagon on the hate.
Grindelwald: *skilled in convincing people*
Me: If he was still alive now. He would be the best Among Us player
Red: grindellwald sus
Grindellwald: (who actually is the imposter) I was fixing wires in electrical.
Everyone: understandable, have a great day.
@@Ruaridh4 not anymode since players believe the one who points first
I think only match up for him is Tom riddle ( not in voldy state) and young Albus bcs they also very convincing and manipulative.
Our priorities of memes these days...........
LMFAOOOO
It’s nice to see a critic that actually looks into a piece of media properly and cares about so much to find valid points and defend it rightfully, and it’s nice to see someone prove Cosmonaut Variety Hour wrong.
I seriously can't stand people/reviewers like Cosmonaut Variety Hour
I used to like Cosmonaut for the lolz, but this is the first movie review that I caught all of his cherry picked evidence and misleading edits. Making certain plot points seem pointless and nonsensical when there were more legitimate criticisms to focus on. Ugh.
I like Cosmonaut but he clearly struggles with objective criticism of things he’s passionate about. You see the problem way more in his long form reviews, where he often has contradictory logic but doesn’t seem to notice.
Cosomaut is super entertaining but damn a lot of his criticism is either nitpicking or not analysing a scene properly. His Harry Potter movie reviews are arguably the biggest example of it. His bias against Rowling was so irritating and a lot ot the criticism for certain characters or plot points felt like the same usual, tiring, stupid thing people’ve been saying for a long time
@@tragicallyfunny theres also people like the critical drinker, i used to like him until his shang chi review. he talked multiple times about how shang chi has no chemistry with katy while in reality katy's grandmother asked shang chi and shang chi clearly said that theyre just friend. or about how he sarcastically doesnt like empowered women but at the same time he supports arcane with their empowered women. like whats the difference? arcane female characters are strong without diminishing the males, and in shang chi its also the same
A lot of great points, and I would like to add my own thoughts for consideration:
Queenie: also remember that she was under a LOT of psychological stress at the time. In a bid to find her sister, she opened her mind to the crowd in Paris, and was inundated in thoughts. Imagine having hundreds of conversations echoing in your head all at once.
Leta: I think she's meant to be a foil to Voldemort. Last of an old Pureblood family. Born of a loveless, coerced relationship. Involved in the deaths of family members. Involved in an incident with a magical beast that got an innocent student expelled. Yet despite her similarities, she made VERY different choices, further reinforcing Rowling's theme of choice, not birth, determining our destinies.
For the hate, I think it's symptomatic of our times. People are just not as willing to wait or compromise as they used to be. (Great I sound like an old man don't I?). There's no "let's agree to disagree" anymore. As Anakin put it "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy".
Grindelwald:
Nooo you can’t just kill an innocent baby. I can’t even watch
Voldemort:
Haha green death light go brrrr
Agreed
Bellatrix while torturing the Longbottoms be like:𝘩𝘢𝘩𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘪𝘰 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘪𝘰 𝘨𝘰 𝘣𝘳𝘳
Sorry
And then he dies....😐
But Grindelwald also killed a baby...
I mean not the one in the movie but I'm sure he has killed many young people before
I still don't know where to find fantastic beasts
me too
HBO max
Me either, though, my dogs are pretty fantastic beasts
You can buy the book and find out like everyone else lol
The first one is there on amazon and the second one is there on Netflix
Johnny Depp being replaced is so bad, he’s a legend
Mads will surely do much better job. At least won't see Depp's drunken face in this franchise
@@capybaratalks if your bothered by something as small as that it's extremely sad
I agree I love him in this movie
@@capybaratalks And now after the lawsuit is settled, just how STUPID do you sound right now?
@@capybaratalks Johnny depp won bruh fucking dumbass
That whole “just a zookeeper” has me so riled up. Everyone in literally every story is “just” one thing or another until the plot changes is up.
Cinderella was “just a housemaid” until the plot happened
Katniss Everdeen was “just a girl from District 12” until the plot happened
Even Dumbledore himself was “JUST A PROFESSOR” until the plot with Grindelwald happens.
The probability of a character being in a certain situation doesn’t matter because it’s a STORY
Dumbledore met Grindelwald for the first time, when he was a teenager. He was an extraordinary student even at that time
Cinderella was a fucking slave! NOT a housemaid!
@@parvathy3302 you’re right. My point about Dumbledore was unfounded at the time and I’ve since read more into the lore :)
@@MrParkerman6 i understand the anger at my mistake, but that also wasn’t the point.
@@MrParkerman6 (they're the same thing buddy boy. Using a different word for it doesn't change the fact that a housemaid is a slave.)
This video is just perfect. You have perfectly summed up why this is actually a good film with points that I agree with and make sense when you really think about it.
You are definitely one of the smartest UA-camrs I know. Well done, Morgan.
Oh and I can't believe you used a tweet I sent you in the video, lol.
Where you the ye that kinda looks like it
@@after8350 Yeah. I was the one on the bottom.
@@lukebaxter3252 nice
Hell yeah!!!!!!!
He is smart especially with the Leta Lily connection also both there names start with an l
The Cursed Child is total rubbish. I, too, like the FB movies, including Crimes of Grindelwald, but we need to realize the story isn't even half way told yet.
Exactly, and people need to stop thinking of it as another Harry Potter film. It is a whole different film in all ways, that happens to be in the same universe. I’m exited to see how Newt evolves. Also they did a great job laying out the plot threads going forward. Can’t wait for 3, I think it’ll show people that it’s a great series. It’ll be the key film that’s talked about for years.
We can all agree that the cursed child is a good play, but not good for Pottermore fans. Also people have to realise that this isn't a sequel. Its the explanation that the community have been asking for for a decade: what happened when Grindelwald was in power. It is every bit as detailed and perfectly plotted out as the first series, with outstanding characters. A work of genuis
My Hinny heart do not like hate for Cursed child I need a movie for this
I still refuse t believe that it is cannon to the story. Rowling contradicted herself so much, just....rEeeEeeEee
I don't think you are a true Harry Potter fan.(Morgan is one) to me if you truly love it then you have to like anything that is realted to it.
this guy is the definitive potterhead, he changed my whole idea of the movie, I still don't enjoy the movie but I can't say that I hate it anymore
You don't even enjoy the acting ?
Especially Johhny Depp and Jude Law ?
I also had a negative reception primarily from outside sources since I only read the scriptwriting like a year ago but now I feel the need to slap myself in the face and reread the script
I also want to add that Katherine Waterston and Eddie Redmayne's chemistry in this film series is just utterly phenomenal
Yeah agree I absolutely love Newt and Tina's relationship
@Ben Franklin That’s kinda the point tho isn’t it?
@Ben Franklin I understand your point, but that is there relationship because that is there characteristics. Newt is a shy, quiet, brave, considerate, uncomfortable, detailed character, and Tina is a little more outspoken, brave, kind, and flustered character. There character relationship is supposed to be awkward and especially after she thought that he got “engaged”, and she thought they had something. Frankly it makes sense that their relationship was a little off or “cringey.” The reason for that is because that is how they both felt, and going along with their personalities. It would make sense for it to be awkward especially for Tina, thinking that this man she had fallen in love with and gotten to know personally just got engaged. For Newt he has always been awkward, that is who he is so I think their relationship in this movie is realistic. It may be awkward because that is how it would be, besides they are going to make more movies so their relationship could improve. This was just to share my opinion, I’m not saying your wrong.
They have the cutest relationship ever
At least its better than the Hinny in half-blood prince. god that was awful
It’s kind of silly to judge the film as a whole when it’s just a piece of the whole puzzle. Thank you for a positive perspective.
It’s like the deathly hallows part 1 movie. The trio strives to destroy horcruxes of Voldemort but the climax is the Malfoy Manor. All before the climax is preparation of the battle of hogwarts which is present in the sequel.
this video is perfection - very well done and everything very well said! you are in the right 100%, and it sounds like you really understand this story in ways that other people didn’t. thank you for pointing everything out that you did!
others: this movie sucks
MovieFlame: Well, no. heres why:
Exactly 👍
Yes
He got evidence, so he shall prove
Tbh i prefer the second one more than the first one for many reasons
1.there are many likeable characters here in the first one i only liked newt and found him special
Not even tina or queenie where in second one
Not only ww found new epic characters like lita Theseus albus and gellert
But also all those old characters became more likeable like queenie jacob
2. The first one film honestly had nothing like the hp we saw magic in the muggle world instead of the wizarding world we never saw hogwarts etc it was completely different which honestly made me mad that its just totally a different thing from the original series it was just for the sake of name where in the second one was related with hp we saw albus minerva hogwarts etc
3.that ending scene of the second movie that was just epic and also it left a lot of mysteries and curiosity about nagini and stuff we also saw her as a human not snake and she wasnt a bad woman
4.it was sirius and dark compared to the previous one the first one was bright and colorful(which i dont mind cz i really like colorful stuff but the story is about adults not teens like harry so this time i prefer the sirius one)
But truly i love both of them honestly both of them are good and bad in their own way which makes it perfect
@@conserztasfia0078 same
oh when i read the title i got so happy!
see people im not the only person who thinks it wasn’t that bad!!!
Thats how I feel all the time about the sequel star wars trillogy
@@riverscurry2436 omg finally someone who doesn't hate it!
I like this movie
It IS good.
Dont @t me
Thank you! I never understand why people didn't like the movie. I always get chills when they are fighting Grindelwald and the dragons!
Exactly how I felt finally
My main complaint is that these movies aren’t self-contained. Sure, there’s going to be 5 of them and they need an overarching story and conflict. But there were 7 HP books and each of them had their own thing going on. Philosopher’s Stone had, well, the philosopher’s stone. Goblet had the triwizard tournament. Even HPB had Slughorn’s memory and the search for the Horcrux. But fantastic beast movies have nothing going on. It’s like, the thing that these movies are about aren’t actually what the movies are about. In the first one, Newt’s trying to recapture his escaped beasts, but what’s actually important is Graves/Grindelwald seducing Credence. In the second one, everyone’s trying to figure out who Credence is, but it’s actually about Dumbledore trying to get his blood pact back. As an audience, we’re given no set up for this. We don’t know why we need to care. The second one is the biggest offender of this. You can’t watch only the second one. You’re going to have to watch the next movies to see why this one mattered. Prisoner of Azkaban was the first HP I saw. I didn’t catch everything, but it was easy to see why the things that were happening mattered. In Crimes of Grindelwald, if you had never watched any of the other movies, you’d have no idea what was going on the whole time and you would have no idea what the purpose of the movie was. All of it’s runtime is just building up to Newt getting the blood pact and us finding out Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore, 2 things that had absolutely no set up, and 2 things that have no explanation as to why we should care. So now we HAVE to watch the next ones.
Ther Was Set up to this innthe first Film.
Credence ws adaptet that Was the Set up.
Then the Bild he takes care of Sets up a Red hearing of the lestrange and the phonix
I agree this movie was just bad overall.
I have one question on Queenie not reading Grindelwalds mind correctly:
Wouldn't it be possible that Grindelwald is just pretty good at Occlumency? That other wizards or witches can't shield themself from her Legilimancy could be due to the fact that she was born with a great aptitude for the skill. But even Voldemort couldn't read Grindelwalds mind so he had to be pretty good at Occlumency...
I don't understand why everybody is so quick at hating things like that.
But Queenie first met Grindelwald's minion, who lured her into the house. I don't understand why she couldn't even read that woman's mind...And simply just followed her
@@alliefu7499 be patience and wait for 3rd movie okay
The series is a prequel. Newcomers themselves need a justification as to why Queenie can't read his mind. Not just that, even old fans need some sort of confirmation because Grindelwald is not a developped character in the books or movies. We don't know the extent of his power. Sure, being a great Occlumens seems like a given, but it really wouldn't hurt to tell us so that no one is left wondering why a woman with the natural gift of mind reading can't get inside his head
I always figured Grindelwald was a master at occlumency, and also likely he knows how to manipulate a legilimens by giving false information.
I think people forget how powerful Grindelwald actually was, possibly because we never really see Dumbledore's "true power" in Harry Potter bar little flashes
Then why rely on her judgement if she can just be lied to
Movie flame, I need you to know that this video pretty much put me in tears. I agree with you so much in this and the call out of other videos is very appropriate. I remember watching the cosmonaut video a while ago and it thinking that a lot of his character evaluations are just so false but I saw a majority of the internet agreeing with it... it’s not the best movie better but there are a ton of great qualities
Edit: the queenie thing is still a plot hole. I see your explanation but still
It’s not a good movie, and cosmonauts evaluation of the movie is pretty spot on, regardless everyone has an opinion
It is one of the best Harry Potter stories to date and no one should hate it adds so much continuity.
It still a pretty bad movie
Payton Lara regarding Queenie, it also fits her personality. She wants to live a life in America with Jacob, but him being a Muggle and she being a wizard, they legally couldn’t. It makes sense for her to join Grindewald because he is campaigning for the values and freedoms she believes in. The freedom to love whoever, regardless if they are magical or not. Her character in the second movie is not a plot hole, it’s an arc. An arc that reflects her character and desires, and eventually the arc will complete with her joining the right side.
Great job. Finally some different view rather than just everyone bashing the movie and jumping on the hater bandwagon. It's like they really let the hate or others' opinion overshadow their own thought. Like, do people seriously think the person who writes one of the most successful novel series in the world would just put random retcon into the story? Nah...smh
Internet is the place where information and opinion spread fast. What make it worse is that people often jump to the conclusion or follow what most others think without giving proper thought before.
Thank you very much for making this video.
Your videos always get me back into Harry Potter.
Like when I stop reading the books or watching videos and the movies, its for a while
But then when you come out with another video, it gets me straight back into it
Yes!!!
One of the things i like about both the Fantastic Beasts movies is that a Hufflepuff is the hero of the story. The house that is disregarded by many.
I'm only 10 minutes in the review and I'm already screaming "YEEEEES, TELL THEM MORGAN" every few seconds
Same me 2 I was the same Morgan says that's this a one of the best harry potter film ME YES Morgan YOU ARE SOO RIGHT!🤣🤣
Me too. I already liked the movie but I admit I was a little confused.
Thank this guy bro he is always bringing out bangers.
Phenomenal and precise analysis of the crimes of Grindelwald. And I completely concur that this underrated film was quite enjoyable and a lot of missed details by audiences
I actually liked the movie for many reasons. Getting some light shed on Nagini's past, etc
@@Xehanort10 it kinda is. We knew barely nothing about her past before this movie. We just knew she was Voldy's snake, etc
@@Xehanort10 I still like the fact she has backstory
@@Xehanort10 Nagini literally means half human half snake.Where I come from it is a common knowledge because a lot of movies are made on this concept.It was actually quite predictable for me.
I actually love this movie I never understood why people hate it
It comes down to the poor plot structure and the changes to established canon that shows a greater lack of appreciation for the harry potter franchise(yes i include JK rowling in this because as we have seen over the last 5 years, she has given up on having the Harry potter universe make sense anymore)
I loved this movie also still do. It has it problems but ultimately I think it's a great movie. The story was compelling and actors/actresses were great.
@@jessicachin5357 ikr
@@Lordgrayson its world of magic and you expect it to make sense? Really?
@@bellaknightR597 this is the best you could come with?
JK is a book writer and should've written the books first, then have someone else adapt the books into the movies. Just like in the original series.
They gave JK too much power and she's not a filmmaker. I get that she probably had Johnny Depp posters on her wall as a girl but he was terrible choice for Grindelwald.
Fortunately, this film still has a LOT of fans. So maybe not "everyone" says it's bad, but sadly a lot have.
you have no idea how much i wanted you to take this view, its so different to what everyone else says that I'm so interested to hear it
If you give it a chance, it's a pretty good movie
It’s really good! Even Kim Jong-un likes it!
Feed your people.
Don’t blow us up please
Lose weight
The thing I have to say about Jacob remembering is you have to pay attention to the ending of the first movie. Jacob walks into the obliviating rain, then Queeny kisses him. If the obliviate spell got rid of only the memories of the magical world. To Jacob, all he would possibly remember is this lady (Queeny) kissing him as he left the underground. And then, when Queeny and him meet again in his bakery, he very well could have remembered her from the kiss. Queeny then informs Jacob about what all had happened. This is also shown when he only remembered the “good parts”, or Queeny kissing him. And then he starts to remember through Queeny trying to reinstate his memory, and it worked, informing him of everything else. That’s just my theory on why Jacob was able to remember at least some stuff.
Newt also mentions the poison acting against "bad memories" early during the first film. It really isn't much of a stretch in my opinion. Anyway, that Jacob would return was kind of easy to anticipate. In fact, I would have been disappointed if he had not :D
@@dynastes4938 They'd have to be suicidal to not have him return considering he was the best part of the 1st movie
The Goblet of Fire is the same as Crimes of Grindelwald. It's a good story with bad exucution on the big screen.
I so totally agree bc i watched the movies before i read the books and decided that my least favorite was goblet of fire bc the pacing was weird and the entire beginning of the movie felt like fluff. it wasn’t until i went back and read the books the goblet of fire became my favorite bc it’s the first book that really sets up the events to follow
Newt: She has eyes like a Salamander
Jacob: **stares**
Jacob: Don't say that!
I just literally choked on my tea (coffee? idk it tasted like both of them, my mom made it)
Your mom made coffee tea
Coftea?
Lol yeah that makes sense
Say it all u want but this movie’s intro was one of the best intro I’ve ever seen in the entire history of magical films.
I actually loved the Crimes of Grindelwald. When I saw how much hate it was getting I was so confused.
I had no problems with it the many-characters-complicated-plot. I watch GoT, it's what I'm used to. And yes, maybe, they didn't go very deep in most of them. But that's because this movie I think serves as an intriguing set up for the next. Tons of things changed since the first one, which served to introduce us in depth with the characters. This one was plot focused. I'm really looking forward for the next movie, we're both aspects (characters and plot) I hope will have more space to come together.
And that's the reason why you're my favorite Harry Potter Channel. I love how you see beyond the obvious and look closely the details. Congratulations for this amazing job. Can't wait for more.
Newt: *Gets chosen for doing heroic stuff in the first film*
Critics: Bruh why'd he get chosen he literally did nothing in the first movie?
Also critics: Are we just going to pretend the first movie didn't exist?!
He's just a zookeeper lol, he did NOTHING in the first film except using a revealing charm. He's not a talented villain. He gets his ass beat in the first film.
The only reason he detained and revealed grindelwald is because he was both distracted and because graves had just tried to murder him and manipulate the obscurus. It should've been pretty obvious by then.
He revealed grindelwald which most of the aurors couldn't do
Cz ministry sucks
@@ascendedapollo5386 well R U DUMB??
newt didn't use his powers he took a different approach a lighter and like a Hufflepuff
This is why he doesn't fight back
And also he didn't get chosen bcz he is powerful blah blah blah
He got chosen bcz he doesn't want to be powerful or popular
He goes for right and honesty
He was a perfect choice as a hero
he got chosen because he doesn't want to be popular but because he's virtuous? once again there are better wizards that are ALSO virtuous
Naturally, I don't check for movie reviews when they released ... but I loved it (Crimes of Grindelwald) more than the 1st part ...
Thought I was the only one lol
I doubt anyone sees this but here’s my opinion. Incredibly underrated a lot of amazing elements to this film. However my main problem is when they decided to spend so long explaining leta lestranges backstory only to kill her off. It really felt pointless to do that also we only learned what happened to credence past in the last five minutes. However the acting is on point the action is once again fun. It shows a new side to the hp universe fun yet dark. And while it’s not as well done as it’s predecessor and uses some really weak plot points it’s really not that bad it’s a good movie just not the best.
I disagree it may very well be the best harry potter film ever
@@dracrorasco4907 Yikes
I don´t consider it canon, nor really Harry Potter related, The connection is just there for money. But on its own, it might be a great movie. I just don´t like how people consider it canon, as I said.
Letonoska the demand was there, ppl wanted to see more of this universe.
Totally agree. The backstory part (also Kama, lol) has no importance to the movie. Cut it off and I think it won't change anything. Also I agree that all of the actors were doing their best.
don’t rely on social media for opinions never do always rely on your own opinion to get the facts
This is the chamber of secrets all over again
Don't you compare this mess with Chamber of Secrets. CoS was a brilliant murder mystery. This is a plain cash grab.
@@sugandhakohli I mean that ppl thought it was trash when it came out. Like cos
@@sugandhakohli also this isn’t a cash grab. They have meaning in why they were made. It’s like the prequels. It’s better than a sequel to a story because they know how it’s gonna end up.
@@sugandhakohli You haven’t watched the whole vid ainit
@@drax8195 It’s more like Order of the Phoenix all over again. This is due to the fact that everyone hates book 5 because it’s too long and Harry is angsty.
I had no idea people hated this movie I was really obsessed with this movie when it came out it was really amazing like how could people hate newt he is sweet little puffball cinnamon roll like hello excuse me. Jokes aside every character added the depth to the story and I loved it.
Bhai indian hi?
Who’s here’s excited for Fantastic Beasts 3?! 🙋♂️😊⚡️
Me!
@@patchworkfellow YESSS, if it doesn’t get delayed, we should get the title this November 12, I can’t wait 🥳👏
I'm so excited cause we might get to see tom riddle as a kid or/and hagrid . (they were born about that time 😌(
@@jean-pierremartinez1234 it'll get delayed.. due to the lawsuit
my theory pen is waiting!
I'm glad you agree. Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald was an excellent movie. In my opinion, the reason why it got so many bad reviews was because people went into the movie with the wrong mindset. As a theorist, I walked into the movie looking for cool hidden details, worldbuilding, and set ups for the next installment, all of which were delivered excellently in the film. I think most other people went to see the movie forgetting that it's only movie two in a five part series. Most of the hate comments I've seen for it are about how it's way too late to be setting up people like Aurelius Dumbledore or Queenie's betrayal and stuff like that; they are forgetting that there's (hopefully) three more installments to go where all of that can get resolved. And I know the movie isn't without mistakes, but the "mistakes" that most people harp on about are actually some of the movie's best qualities. So thank you for your assessment; I was happy to see that another person felt the same way that I did.
No Newt slander shall be tolerated! The fact that he is awkward, modest, and humble makes him endearing to me. Leta was also important for me because she’s the only woman of color I’ve ever seen in the Harry Potter franchise! The films have not been known to be very diverse so I was very excited to see her on screen 💓
If the only value people have to you is based on their skin color solely, then you are a racist. Case closed.
Newt has lots of Asperger's traits, and it's great to see representation that isn't "Sheldon" or "Rain Man".
Well you've had 7 months. Have you seen now how you've replaced old racism with new racism based on political agendas?
My first throught while watching the first FB movie was "this feels just like reading the HP books"
and your video gives evidence that the 2nd FB is even more so. I totally agree on the diffrence between book writing and screen writing, because books has the time to go deeper into small details simply by wording it out.
Movies on the other hand are often boring when they are too wordy, and it feels like it holds holdsback the story that is being told.
I didnt think about it, but I totally agree: The film is a bad adaption on a screenplay that shouldve been a book.
I think in general Rowling shouldve written this story as a book series first, and then get a screenwrite adapt them instead
Warner owns the rights though rowling just has Power over what happens nowdays so it Was them telling her in 2007 ther want to make movies about that
I think people are also complaining about Nagini not being the way they imagined her after seeing her in the Harry Potter movies. But I never understood this complain because there are still three movies to come out which could and will show her character development 🤗
This video just confirmed what I’ve been saying all along people just didn’t watch the films and read the books properly.
Or they just don't understand, hp in whole is not simple to understand too quickly, we read books or re-watch movies to get lot of deep connections and understand elements
@@jordancreed3003 your grammar is also trash, pal. No offense.
If you read the book, you know you CAN'T use accio to a living creature. How come Newt use it to bring niffler??
1. There were no books for FB. If you're referring to the HP books then that is the exact reason that most people have issues with FB because a lot of what is established canon in the books is rewritten (even within the later books themselves).
2. I watched both the films and even I think JKR should never be allowed near a script. They should take away all her writing tools once she has finished a story and not allow her to touch a franchise again.
@@Draghantini harry accio-ed hagrid:/
I just love the fact that you try to turn hate into love amazes me
I've watched "The Crimes of Grindelwald" so many times I've lost count!
This movie is amazing and I'm glad you've preached the truth about WHY it's amazing!
Personally I love this movie. yeah, it have its flaws, its not a perfect movie, for example I think they should have let the deleted scene from the dance in the reunion of Leta and Teseus because it gave a lot of context on the way she was feeling and I think is quite important for the 3º act of the movie. Appart from that people is pissed at... such stupid things like McGonagall being alive. Its a freaking cameo, its not that big of a deal, and I am a Potterhead at heart, the Harry Potter movie saga have much more worse problems by itself than this movie and people still praise the movies at adapting the source material.
Crimes of Grindelwalde for me its a very good movie, with flaws, but a very good movie. A lot of people which I talked with told me that the problem they had with the movie its that the could not follow the story but the way its written I dont see clearly a problem? After talking, this was after the first time I watched it and I put some examples of scenes I discovered that a lot of the people who couldnt follow the movie was because they wasnt really watching it with their brain turn on, they completely missed some of the dialog of scenes, I was baffled.
Another complain I heard during that first watch was that "it doesnt have enough fantastic beast"... because its not the focus of the movie?. The first movie was the presentation of Newt, his work, the beasts, the second movie is a continuation of the story with a change of focus for a more revolution-drama, if you are looking for a zoo trip this is not your franchise.
I cant say more about the other issues people have with this movie because you have said it all. Grindelwald is an amazing character to base something off, and not only that, its such a change with the Harry Potter story. In Harry`s story we focus on United Kingdom for the most part, Voldemort was such a massive problem there but we dont really know from other parts of the world. Grindelwald creates a bigger narrative, a bigger issue and a bigger moral compass. Not only you have sort of the same problem with blood (harry potter kind of racism), but you have too the fight the fight for love muggles and wizards, the different focus of different countries and the change of point of view by having adults as the protagonist rather than children. The saga grows with their fans. I am a big fan of the Marauders but having a movie focus on the war before Harry`s incident would be kind of pointless and we would have the same lack in universe expansion.
Voldemort is the egocentric true black and white evil. "we are bad guys", Grindelwald is grey, its political, its calculated, he want to be seen as the good guy, in some way he MAYBE thinks he is a good guy. The entire point of the scene where he is giving a speach is to show he is a freaking manipulative person, and how a desesperate person like Queenie could fall for his trap. He is tempting her, he is telling her what he knows she want to hear, because he needs her with him, because he is planing of using her to have access to the mind of credence because he KNOWS Credence is not going to trust him again that easily.
About Newt. Have we seen the same movie? movieSS? I just... I cant say more of what you explained. Its perfect.
About Queenie, here I have to say something that a lot of people maybe didnt realize because its a very sutil thing in the movie. Ok. We have Queenie, who have been shown to be completely desesperate all movie, sick of fighting against a society who tries to keep her appart of the person which she loves. ok. Now she is alone in france, all the voices are driving her crazy, She is with a oversesory thing in the streets and suddently there is... silence. What does this mean? For those who know about harry potter is something very clear. Let me explain. Queenie is a Legilimens, a concept in the harry Potter movies its explain around the 5º or 6º film with Snape training Harry to learn the contrary ability; Occlumency. Legilimens is the ability to read minds and feelings. Occlumency is the ability to protect your own mind of this kind of abilities, that is what Snape tried to teach Harry because He knew Voldemort had that ability to enter Harry`s mind.
With that Silence in the middle of all the noise around her We are shown (not tell) that Queenie cant read that woman`s mind, so we can assume She cant read Grindelwald mind either. The fear shown in Queenie during the scene where she meets him is clear of this. She is feeling insecure, she doesnt know anything and thats new to her so she want to leave quickly. Maybe they could have been less subtle? yeah, maybe. But I dont know if they wanted it to be a mistery until the next film. idk.
I am going to stop because if not this is going to be much much more long.
I know I know "too much text" but I have so many opinions and things about this movie and I just needed to share it because I dont find much people who like this movie or even want to talk about it.
Anyway good video and you dont know how much I appreciatte you did this.
Thank you.
Btw: if someone want to talk about Credence being Dumbledore`s family. I have a theroy and I would love to talk but this comment was too long.
Don't worry, I understand you very well.
Repeating to people logical arguments why this movie isn't actually so bad and why i love it, became boring to me already :p
It’s like how a teacher says when you ask a question, *wait for me to finish explaining everything*
The reason why Grindelwald stared at newt is because he knew that Dumbledore is quite fond of newt and Grindelwald gets jealous about this.
Wait what?
The thing is
when the movie has tiny details
people turn to UA-camrs who review movie and shit, when they also bash the movies then the audience does it too
no hate to any UA-camrs or people but they should be more careful about this kind of things
@@jordancreed3003 It's not about Opinion. I talking about channels like MovieFLame, which breakdown the movie. It isn't wrong to turn towards UA-camrs for opinions, but these UA-camrs should be much more careful for hating something because as seen from previous dramas, setting your audience against someone can be really bad if they didn't deserve it. And, yes I do watch the movie and make opinions by myself, but I am a diehard fan, I watch movies that I like again and again. Though this can't be said about the average movie viewer who will watch it for fun and then watch a youtube video further explaining the plot.
"Come on guys, we learned to do this in like second grade."
I'm in the sixth and we just learned it lol.
Personally, I agree with most critics. For me this film was really confusing and in my opinion think it was structured pretty badly.
Also, I personally don't enjoy when you have to pay attention to individual lines of dialogue to understand what's happening in a film. I think it's a lot better when character movitations are clear through all their actions rather than only when you pay attention to these certain lines.
Tbh I watched CoG again recently and thought that plot-wise it was pretty solid honestly, especially from the hogwarts scene onwards. I did however feel that the beginning, aside from being very fast paced, also had an infuriating camera that would not stop moving all over the place and zoomed in far too close on the characters' faces leaving me uncomfortable. I suppose I was wondering whether you felt the same way when watching the movie from someone who doesn't like the movie as much?
As i said when i watched it and talked to my working colleagues: if you are a potterhead you gonna like it. If you are not that into the wizarding world, you probably find it confusing.
Finally somebody agrees Crimes of Grindelwald is highly underrated thank you so much for making this video. It's about time somebody defended this masterpiece, I feel bad for JK Rowling I think she did a great job with the script for this movie as she did for Where To Find Them. Grindelwald's escape in the carriage is the most epic opening scene in the entire Wizarding World franchise, Queenie siding with Grindelwald added dimention to her character and Credence being revealed to be Aurelius Dumbledore was a awesome cliffhanger. Also Leta is the most sympathetic character in the series since Snape, the Baby Nifflers were adorable and the Zowu is currently my favourite Fantastic Beast. Sure some of this movie felt like a set up but it's a necessary set up that will make the 3rd movie work and not boring like people say, Half Blood Prince is far more boring. I'm beyond hyped for Fantastic Beasts 3 in 2021!
I agree with everything except feeling bad for her. The transphobic bigot deserves it. In my opinion Harry Potter now belongs to the fans
@@eivonhanna4479 I honestly don’t know about that, have you even seen her tweets?
Everything she says are facts which were pushed by news articles and SJW’s.
Btw im not transphobic, around a quarter of my friends are trans.
@@eivonhanna4479 Also please don’t mention the fan can do better shit, it’s so infuriating.
Totally agree!!
I feel bad that such an amazing and wonderful series is getting so much flack cause of JK, but I don't feel bad for JK herself cause of the hatred that she spews out of her mouth and trying to use a series that is near and dear to my heart to try and influence other people with her crap
And this is why I never let people sway my opinion of a movie. Unless it's Percy Jackson. I wholeheartedly agree on that critique. Especially after having read the first 2 books
This is such a good video! I'm that person that's read the original HP books like 20 times and STILL managing to discover a new detail each time 🤔 I needed to watch this video fr, and now I can rewatch CoG movie actually knowing what's up 😍
FINALLY somebody gets Grindelwald for who he is i mean he is Dark and all but as you said he has a line but he has depth and black and white Voldemort is just Dark
Dumbledore had an aunt that travelled to the states, we never knew if it was a paternal or maternal aunt.
Anyway Credence could be Dumbledore's cousin
I agree with you, Movieflame, people are missing points in the story.
Newt Scamander is no pushover. His detective skills are top-notch. I've never seen any other wizard handle a case like he does.
Wonder how people feel, now that Johnny Depp left the role
That’s upsetting and unfair but they got a good replacement though
@@vikkran401 bruh if daniel actually got fired and he was replaced i wouldnt watch any hp movies after that lmao
apparently the next movie plays at least 13 years later - considering the franchise has always used different actors to portray the characters in different time periods, it might work out after all.
@@vikkran401 your right lol like any one emma and rupert anyone i cant see any others as harry other than dan ,Hermione emma and Ron Rupert they are the best
Are we the only people that remember these movies getting review bombed from the start by the e-mob "believe-all-women"ing amber heard? People were ready to hate these movies before they released. It's a shame how this went for Depp when it could have been an amazing role
She also said Dumbledor was gay when a director was creating one of the movies and wanted to have Dumbledor think back to a girl he was in love with as a young boy. J.K Rowling denounced this immediately and told the director he was gay. Great video!
I would just like to mention that when Queenie was talking with Rosier, and then waiting for the “special guest” (aka Grindelwald) the tea pot was being very persistent in trying to give Queenie more tea, so maybe the tea is working like the imperious curse. Cause from those that joined Grindelwald at the end (walking through the blue flames), Queenie felt pain while walking through, so maybe it’s that the tea is what’s making her be loyal to Grindelwald, but Queenie herself doesn’t actually want to be loyal to him, hence why she felt pain while walking through the flames
I'm so glad you made this video because those other movie reviewers were pissing me tf off and most of them didn't even know what the hell they were talking about smh like if you're going to review a movie just make sure you understand it and know what's going on and actually pay attention to it before coming out saying some bullshit
@@Xehanort10 if you're going to make a movie review then make sure your facts are straight first period
I enjoyed it too. It may have lacked some excitement but it's the bridge, taking us from newt and his fantastic beasts, to dumbledore and grindelwalds story.
i like how jk rowling managed to bring up political themes, for example, corruption, bribery, manipulation. it is such a big aspect in her books (obviously in the harry potter series) aside from that she has such a talent for foreshadowing and exposition. i love that she writes relevant character arcs that aren't just there for the purpose of the plot, like how she gives each character their own story and trials to overcome which all lead to the climax of the series or film
basically while she has usually no idea how to use her twitter account as a decent human being, she is a genius novelist
(i say usually bc she does give out good points that help us understand the story more in there, i just wish that was all she did)
I can see why some viewers might not like this movie, but most arguments I’ve heard are the same. The major problem is the format. The structure is different from the mostly used movie formula. Thus, people are confused. But still, isn’t the situation with most mini-series the same? Apart from the fact that we get the next episode within a week/day/month. Btw, as if people never watched anything with multiple perspectives. The movie does not deserve the hate it gets.
(And yes, JK, unfotrunately, is not making it all better by her tweets)
I think the Problem is we don't have a Book series to reference. JK should have written a book and then Someone who has written Screenplays should have written the Screeplays for the movies Under some guidance by JK cuz her vision is obviously needed.
True I mean The Crimes of Grindelwald is pretty much like 2012 in terms of following a lot of character's journey. People forget that Fantastic Beasts is not just about a single protagonist. It's not about a chosen one that needs to be followed. It's about a lot of character's that will make decisions to shape the world that we know in the Harry Potter. These characters are basically like historical figures in our real life.
@@atharvadeshpande4749 probably.. But again, I suppose, as the HP movies show, there’s no guarantee that in this cace movies would be consistent, as some plot lines would be cut. Thus repeating the ‘to understand this you should read a book’ thing the original series had.
I JUST CAN SAY THIS IS THE BEST AND THE MOST SATISFYING UA-cam VIDEO I HAVE WATCHED IN 2020. All I can say is "Thank You".
the feedbacks and reviews for this movie have been so irritating to me since it got premiered. When I first watched the movie I was literally astonished and speechless, I was screaming the whole time, and yes I can say it's my favorite movie of 2018. Jo's level of detailing is not appreciated enough. everything you mentioned literally made me so satisfied and happy, you are truly the best youtuber out here, your effort and hard work is really showing off, you are truly dedicated to what you're doing in the most inspiring way. I have been amazed by your channel for a very long time now. I literally just can't thank you enough for everything you do.
Until now i still confused why almost everyone hate this movie (especially the main villain-Grindelwald).
I am still thinking this sequel is brilliant and well-scripted.
Grindelwald is the better villain compared to voldemort, that's why his followers and crime rate are very huge and globally.
He was not only feared by people on the opposite side, but his thoughts were respected so that many people who were originally on the good side turned to him.
you should also see the fact that Jacob baked the snacks in the shape of the beasts that he and newt had caught together
Finally, somebody willing to defend Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald. I have let the public sway me on the film, before, honestly, even watching it. I’m more than willing to watch the film now.
So, how'd you like it?
This is why you should not judge the story while it still going.
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Yeah... but after this movie, I know many people who said they wouldn't even continue the series.
Why doesn't Dumbledore teach transfiguration in the movies? :(
For all we know, he might just be filling in temporarily, or might not have taken the Transfiguration post yet.
McGonagall....idk, I think that is a genuine problem.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn or they thought we needed to see some HP stuff. Boggarts, McGonagal etc
He gets fired from DADA in the movie. The books say he taught transfiguration when Riddle was at school, they don't say that's what he always taught. Snape and Quirrell also taught two subjects.
I recon Queenie is under the imperius curse. Because one thing I noticed about Queenie is that in the beginning of the movie Jacob "almost" calls her crazy yet when he actually does say it in the last act she pretty much ignores this very personal insult.