Four Pedals and an Argument. Dipped in Tone Podcast.
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It's the first episode of Season 2 of theDipped in Tone podcast with Rhett Shull and Zach Broyles! On this episode we discuss the difficulties of crappy internet, we dip a rig that shills hard for Mythos, and we discuss our personal must have pedals and get into some arguments along the way.
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Yes, season 2! Hope we finally find out if Ross and Rachel get together.
We'll be "there" for you, wherever that is.
Tubescreamer into a Marshall is Chef’s kiss
For ZZ Top’s 1st album, they slightly detuned the 2nd guitar when they double tracked
You can hear it better in the mix Most bands back in the day that did twin leads left one a touch off so as to come out better in the mix
Nice, an intro song! Reminiscent of Jack White’s Lazaretto. I like this
WELLL IF PEAVEY MADE AN INTRO SONG I'M PRETTY SURE THIS WOULD BE IT BOYS!!!
Oh man. I'm coming to all these discussions late...but holy shit.
Whole-hearted agreement with Zach on most of that.
Additionally: Unless you're ending up with two different signals (not two signals with slightly different EQ shapes...they end up sounding really similar) going to two different destinations (speakers or DIs into a load box, etc.) you don't have "width." Audio width is a characteristic noticed by a listener when two sound signals have enough phase difference that we perceive them as two different sound sources. 40 chorus pedals stacked on top of each other followed by 10 of Rhett's favorite reverbs that give him "width" don't give any width if they're coming out of one speaker. Also, no real useful width if they're coming out of a 4x12 that's receiving one signal to the cabinet. Split one of those reverbs out to another amp and put something additional in either signal chain effecting the time/phase of that signal chain to create a a large enough difference between the 2nd speaker and the 1st speaker and NOW you have stereo.
Rhett's thinking about "Come As You Are" or "Ain't Talking 'Bout Love" when he's thinking about modulation; thick, syrupy, and practically a gimmick. A hint of modulation - like Zach mentions - is SUPER useful for creating a little texture and dimension allowing you to play a simple part that stills adds something to the song. Plus modulation is beautiful on a bass guitar (careful of the low end, kids). Further, why do synths have such a crazy capability to sound SO gigantic? It's not simply because they have resonant filters. Some detuning and the warble it creates (modulation) plus some phase manipulation (modulation) plus those things being effected in real time by control signals like LFOs or ADSR envelopes (modulation)...and you have soundscapes ranging from beautiful to cacophonous ALL stemming from modulation.
My 4 specific pedals?
1. Keeley Oxblood Germanium - Klon-inspired but not Klon-y to me. I could totally live with an SD-1 or a TS-9 here, too. I love 'em all. I don't need specific character - I'm not even the same character every day - I just need character and push and something to step up the sonic aggression.
2. Danelectro Cool Cat Chorus - The big aqua-colored one not the little plastic one. I have this one from a million years ago. It's 18v and it's awesome. AND it's stereo if I wanted to do that (one of the two outputs gets no chorus meaning it creates enough phase and time difference that there's actually width if sent to a second output source and not just a layer of effectively the same sound).
3. Boss GE-7 - Good as a clean boost. Good as a frequency boost/cut to move toward serving specific roles in songs or manipulating what your amp sees to change the amp's character. Good for help refining something in a tone if some decision before it has created some wonkiness. Love your amp? Learn to love an EQ pedal and you'll get SO MUCH MORE LOVE out of your amp.
4. Quiet Theory Prelude Delay/Reverb. There are others that do this sort of thing but the Quiet Theory does them both really well.
Rant over. Love the pod/videos. I'm discovering that I need to try the Mythos stuff because Zach keeps speaking to the things I like with reasoning that makes sense to me while seemingly thinking about it differently. I can't wait to try a Mythos pedal with one with the clients in my studio!
When the Tube Screamer came out, we thought it was a poor mans Distortion plus.
A Tubescreamer with low gain and high volume is the sound of a LOT of metal albums from Kill 'em All to Hidden Hands of a Sadist Nation. Acting like a TS is just this lame SRV blueslawyer dork pedal is a degree of tunnel vision I find a little baffling. Although I do prefer the Maxon OD9+ which is basically a tubescreamer where you can flip a switch that reduces the midboost.
This!! And I absolutely love my Analogman mode modded TS9DX. Same but different ;)
There are Soooo many uses for Tubescreamer outside SRV ... Its good circuit, I cant get allong the OG, as for some reason I dislike the buffer thats inside.
Also, SRV. Lol
I cant play a ts without thinking of gary moore and iron maiden.
So weird how you both forgot the Metal Zone
I feel like if oversimplified Rhett & Zach have the same pedal choices.
1. A drive stage that colours. So that you know tonally a pedal is on.
2. A drive stage that adds. Just the amp but louder & more focused.
3. Movement. Any type of modulation from one of numerous types of effects, set subtle.
4. Space. Any sort of ambience that aids in enjoyment, more subdued when playing with/for others.
Then it's just a matter of personal preference to find what you need to achieve these essentials.
Mine would be a Fox Tone Machine style fuzz, a Klon-a-like (because they're better then tube screamers at being tube screamers), Dark modulated delay, plate type reverb. The Klon-a-like is at the end of the chain to post drive the wobbly effects into disgusting territory for added tonal versatility.
“Translucent Overdrive”
Tranparent non tranparent, mid hump, mid scooped... It's all good. It is rig dependent. There is great music on both river sides. Just use it as colors for make music
For years and years I didn’t own a tube screamer and never had the desire to get one. I didn’t like them. I finally got a mini this year and became been obsessed with it. I couldn’t believe I’d gone all this time without it
I'm with Rhett, everyone needs a bluesbraker type
circuit!
To speak to Rhett’s “everybody should have a fuzz”. I spent years being unable to connect to anything fuzz related. Until I played the Argonaut, which I use with mild break up for some articulate gristly guitar explosion. Gated, gnarly goodness.
circuit wise the lightspeed is closer to a tubeacreamer than bluesbreaker, iirc
The "Let's Talk About Strats" episode of TPS made me deep dive into the use of Tube Screamers and now I think its a must-have for Strat players. However... you could easily say the same for a fuzz face :)
Strat neck pickup + Fuzz face + mildy crunching amp = tonal heaven
Gotta agree with Zach on this one. Of course, I love both Fuzz and Tube screamers but for pure functionality, Tube Screamer is going to cut with most amps.
"We've only been doing this for a year & 50 episodes. We're still trying to figure it out." - R. Shull 🤣 (love the show)
I have never enjoyed an episode of DIT this much. Interesting talk and discussion.
I gotta believe the dislike is the guy who didn't want an intro song
or josh scott? lol
@@garyoneill5648 🤣🤣💯
im totally on Sack's side on this one. You NEED a Boss CE Chorus in your life
I’m 30 mins in and this is my fav episode so far. Seeing how passionate each of you are about these pedal choices is gold.
I think what Rhett is getting at with the Tube Screamer is that if you really love those sparkly/chimey trebles, the TS often saps some of that in a disappointing way. Lots of folks don't like those frequencies and don't miss it with the TS circuit.
The best way to settle this is for everyone to get an affordable TS clone like the Behringer TO800.
Best. Budget. Pedal. Ever.
great sounding pedal, I have only 1 criticizm and it is its buffer. But if you have pedal switcher, there is no downside to this pedal (the enclosure dont bother me, as it is SO CHEAP I dont mind destroying it and getting new one).
@@stanislavmigra Exactly! They are $25, everyone should try it for themselves. As good as demos and reviews can be at letting you get a sense of how a pedal will sound, you'll never know until you play it for yourself on your own gear.
The day I found out that EVERYBODY was copying a TS, is the day I started asking what an OD was based on. Bluesbreaker. Hands down. That's the tone I want and why TSs don't work for me either. I'm Team Rhett on this one.
My 5 favorite pedals, which isn’t quite the same as must have pedals (even though this does cover a lot of “must have” categories too) are
Source Audio’s overdrives (as all 3? 2? are the same),
Hx Stomp XL,
Source Audio Collider,
Fender Pour Over Envelope Filter,
Digitech Whammy DT Drop pedal.
1. Klon(e). It's both a clean boost and an OD, both transparent and colored, and a buffer. So it's basically 5 pedals in one
2. Tremolo with different modes including harmonic. Even if you don't like wobbly guitar you can always slip some subtle trem effect for some added depth to your sound, or you can get wacky stutter, phase-y harmonic tremolo, timed effects, again like 4-5 pedals in one.
3. Delay with analog/tape/digital modes. Slapback to tape, to warble-y modulated effects. Again 100 pedals in one.
4. Reverb again with all the different modes. One size does not fit all with verb. The right reverb will make or break your tone.
5. If you would have gotten to a 5th I'd have picked a compressor. From sustain, to attack and subtle to squashed. Again something that will make or break your tone in a mix.
Omg, I've been wondering what Joel was running in that Pearly Gates clip ever since i saw that years ago.. i go back and listen to his Just Got Paid riff every few months.. so glad you lifted the lid on that!
Waited a whole year for the intro, was not disappointed!
👍 for timestamping the main topic. Also a suggestion for a really great tubescreamer-adjacent pedal: Carl Martin TOD. It's actually based on the Boss Turbo Overdrive, but the mid-hump makes it Tubescreamish.
reverb adds a air a breathe kinda just making it alive love em
I can't recommend Wren and Cuff enough! He makes sOOOOoo many different fuzzes and his custom shop is super affordable. I was never a fan of silicone fuzz and right now a W&C Your Face with some custom Si transistors is the favorite on my board.
33:39 I would think the MOST transparent pedal you could use would be an EQ pedal.
Love the channel. Will be joining Patreon very soon.
Guys, this was a truly great episode, well done! 👍
Zvex Fuzz Factory -> Sonuus Voluum -> Digitech Whammy DT -> Orion Effekte Kafka Reverb.
If a multi-effect unit is allowed, I'd replace the Kafka with the HX Stomp XL in a parallel loop for reverb and delay and extra modulation (Otherwise the Voluum is a fantastic tremolo that goes from soft analog tremolo through rhythmic tremolo patterns and all the way to ring modulation)
I gigged with a band the last Saturday night with my Fender Pro Jr. my Paisley DLX and a boss Rv 6. My rig kept up with a $2000 Fuchs 15 Watt. That's what he said it originally cost anyway. We were at a back yard party and using a small PA. So we were trying to keep it on the quieter side. I was really happy with that tiny rig.
My point is I've really switched to like 2 stage drives and on my acoustic board I've acquired Source Audio Collider and and a boss MD-200 so I can get a lot more effects out of one pedal.
I have a TS Mini, a TS9, and a TS7. Love them all. Gain cranked, gain off, in between. Bought and moved on several fuzzes, tried to love them but the only one I kept was a Big Muff, and only really love the Big Muff if (wait for it) I stack a TS in front of it with the TS gain on low to slightly reign in the Muff. Love the TS with any guitar, any amp. Maybe that’s boring, don’t care.
Yeah man thinking on getting a Muff....just haven't been happy w most of the other circuits
Nice!
Digging the theme song!
Good groove!
Fun episode, too!
There's the t-shirt: Tube screamer as an always off pedal.
If you look in old Gilligan's Island episodes they power everything with Gilligan riding a bamboo bicycle. Maybe that is how Zach is powering his internet.
A vintage Schwinn actually
1:00:28 You know what you DO see many of out there Rhett? Tubescreamers. I wonder why.
Love the new intro. Makes me feel like I'm walking into Home Depot for some "plumbing plumbing plumbing plumbing... PLUMBING"
Great discussion. Good points on both sides. That said, I'm team Zack on this one.
What a great episode to start season 2 🔥
I played a gig at a country club last night. Oddly I didn't step on my Fuzz once.
AN INTRO TRACK, WHAT HERESY BE THIS!! (JK) But Rhett's right, Bluesbreaker topology forever. I love the Daedalus, it's one of the best stackers I've had. Zac's also 100% right about the original, he had just the right hate for the circuit to improve it like Jamie with the Plumes. But generally I have Rhett's taste in amps and the K's are way better than TS unless your TS gets some brightnin' up (like the Plumes)
P.s. the T4 is a Rams head Big Muff like the Positron. T4 references the number of transistors
You could get a Dr. Robert, it has a mids control, 2 volumes, and a "Mach Schau" button.
The one where “I Like This and You Like That, and it’s totally ok” a lesson all of the internet should learn lol
there are so many discussed topics that we need some kind of edited menu or time bar episodes
I'm on the Wildwood waiting list, can not wait for the email for purchase, been on the list since March. Was told early 2022 so if you cat's are working on them now is f'n fantastic, also love this channel.
Good episode guys. I'm with Zach on the blues breaker Vs TS. I have a Victory Sheriff 22 which breaks up as soon as you look at it, I tried so many boost types with it without luck, and then I tried my old Maxon OD808 and there it was, the sound I was after.
I love the intro track!!
Somehow there is nothing more clarifying than two knowledgeable people disagreeing.
Match-y match-y Navy V neck uniforms. Outfit coordination is on-point boys.
80s boss sd-1 into my Roger Mayer Octavia.,a univibe, analog delay, reverb into my 68' park fifty watt
Tube Screamer ROCKS! Its my desert island pedal. Rhett needs to get over it.
Wait a second…
is this an intro song I hear????
My four pedals would be: two gain stages, some 'special' effect (modulation, filter, or pitch), and something spatial (delay, reverb, or a pedal with both)
I think the choice of what types of gain stages will vary wildly based on genre and rig - that could be a fuzz and an OD, a middy OD and flatter OD, a boost and a distortion, etc.
Then there's a special effect that you use sparingly in a set to take your base tone into another dimension - be that a phaser, chorus, univibe, tremolo, wah, octave pedal, or perhaps even more experimental stuff.
Spatial effect is pretty self-explanatory and up to the individual's taste/genre/rig.
My specific board would be a tonebender style fuzz that cleans up well, a klon style drive for solos, a magnatone style vibrato for modulation, and an analog delay for spatial stuff, all into my Carr Rambler set just past the edge of breakup with a little bit of spring reverb (tube bias tremolo also in the amp, footswitch right by the board).
Must have pedals for me -
Fuzz - Tone Bender family especially MK1/MK3
Boost with some EQ control
OD - Timmy style, fuller range (Lightspeed, Blues Power, Jan Ray etc)
Slapback - ideally analog/DM2 style
Done!
I agree with Zach. A Tubescreamer can be very versatile, especially in a mix. I run mine with the gain low volume at unity and tone above 2 o'clock, and it just sounds great and cuts well without being pokey. PAF-style and a Marshall'esque clean channel (Victory Super Kraken).
Tubescreamer > Bluesbreaker, ODR-1, Klon, etc.
I bought the Wampler Velvet Fuzz as my first fuzz. The Fuzz for people who don't like Fuzz. No spitting when set "fuzzy" and smooth John Sykes style lead when you roll the bass off.
August makes perfect since for seasons of DIT. TV shows, like new cars, used to have new seasons and arrivals circa August/September annually!
INTRO SOOOOOOOOONG !!! Hell yeah !!! This shit is going serious now !
what if peavey made a tube screamer?
Wow!! An intro bumper!! Holy crap, now it’s getting real. Nicely done, time to rant! Lol
I’m the same way. Always buyer’s remorse. I sold one of them and then had even more remorse!!
I love how you guys disagree. It makes the show so much more interesting than if you agreed about everything.
I happen to agree more with Rhett’s pedal choices though. I think it just means we have similar taste about what we choose to play.
hey Rhett I really think you should explore Zach’s premise on the analogue delay being a “multi-effect” modulation pedal. They do the great delay sounds, but they also do a interesting reverb, a chorus, a vibrato and two delays can do crazy shit lol
INTRO!!!!! YASSSSS
A dirt, a modulation and a delay is all you need for most situations. Want reverb? Get an amp that has one. And if you have a two channel amp, a dirt box and a volume pot on your guitar you already have plenty of variation gain wise. All the other stuff nice too but not must have.
you could call your always off pedal the ‘Cloff’
Most fuzz's to me makes the most sense in the studio or a trio. On the other hand a low-high mid pushed drive can be a life saver in a dense mix or with a second guitar player and/or keys.
Theme song, finally! AND matching v-necks!
The Greer Lightspeed is amazing.👍
I love Tubescreamers but you can run into contexts where it just doesn't work. I am actually partial to the drive sound on it so therefore stacking can be an issue. I'm not big on just using ODs as boosts so that may be why.
I use a Lightspeed. It's certainly a very mild OD, but it sound a touch on the scooped side IMO. Love both TS and BB circuits though. I've tried to fight it for years, but TS style pedals sit so freaking well in a mix. The "bass cut/tight low end" comment from Rhett is EXACTLY why people love TS style pedals. Admittedly, I do prefer mods to the circuit where it's slightly more transparent (for lack of a better term) ;-)
I have the Revstar RS502, and I’m curious about the tone pros bridge, I have trouble getting the low E to intimate properly. I don’t have enough rearward range. Does the Tone-Pros have more adjustment range?
It's a MASSIVE improvement. I would say go for it.
@@DippedInTone thanks! I probably will. I’m gunna throw some lambertone ristrettos in there and some hipshot tuners. That and the tone pros should be perfect.
I'm with Zack you need that mid forward overdrive
I'm kinda with Zach on the Fuzz thing. I have a fuzz, and while it's really fun to mess around with, I don't find it very practical most of the time.
LOL! I like both TS and BB circuits.
100% agree that everyone should own a fuzz. However, I have a legit fuzz addiction.😄
Rhett, desert island pick. Your Novo, Mig-50 speaker cabinet of choice. Do you take a TS9 or TS10? :) either or but one of them is coming.
Strat going into a clean tube combo with 6L6s I want a super farty fuzz. nothing alien or too unique. Think "Spirit in the Sky" kinda fuzz. whats good options?
DOD Carcosa
21:33 subliminal join the resistance
Whoops
Does a fuzz work well into the HX stomp?
Even the metal guys run a blueSBREAKER into their metal amps! 😜
As a player in a Stoner Rock, Doom metal type band. Everyone should have a fuzz Rhett is right.
Where would you place something like the lpd 68 drive between the tube screamer and bluesbreaker circuit? I have all 3 but since I got the lpd rarely use the others. For my ears and amp I find the tube screamer too mid heavy but also find the bluesbreaker circuit to not have enough mids for my liking. I also find some overdrives too bass heavy and like how you can cut or add bass on the lpd. Why don’t more overdrives have a bass control to cut or add bass? I find it extremely useful for different guitars and playing at home by yourself with more bass or playing in a mix with less bass. Keep up the good content, I really like the episodes where you have opposing views and debate the merits of each. Thanks.
everyone needs a tubescreamer
I’ve heard you guys argue about ts a lot and i feel like it’s crazy you guys have yet to mention (zach kind of did here) probably the most classic use, more so then the Stevie thing. Hard rock and metal players love ts’ to tighten up their amp. I love it cause I can turn my plexi into a jcm800, it does the jcm800 thing really well too.
As far as overdrives go, the Ibanez mostortion can be the best of both worlds. I can't recommend the Cascade Hosstortion highly enough. It's perfectly balanced in terms of distortion and compression (compression being a factor that AAAALLLWWAAYYYSSS gets neglected when discussing the topic of "transparent" overdrives) which makes it sound *and feel* transparent more than anything else I've tried. The fact that it has controls for lows, mids, and highs might be unfair. Just get one, though. And for people who are fuzz uninitiated, I feel like the Jordan Boss Tone is sort of a chameleon, but it's still exciting. I like the Bearfoot Gnarwahl quite a bit, but some day I'm going to make the best variant and call it the "green bomb." If you get both references, I love you. if you don't, i still love you.
bee tee dubs, props on the quality of this cast pod recording stream thing.
If you’re trying to have the over drive act on the amp, why is it not the last pedal in the chain? Isn’t it quite likely that the pedals that follow are going to eat the extra gain?
Rhett, tsk tsk, you dared dunk on the King of Tone :-P. Kidding aside, I just got mine for Christmas last year and I love it and think it lives up to the hype more or less. I also love my Maxon OD-9. No false dichotomies necessary here, I can enjoy all the offerings from both pedals :-). I will say I generally agreed more with Zach on this though. Fuzz is cool but I think a tube screamer is more versatile. Never owned a separate reverb pedal, just whatever is in the amp, but I have two delays I love (Boss DD-5 and Maxon AD-999). I haven’t had a chorus pedal for some years but I should get one again. Anyway, thanks for the fun episode!
3 pedals...2 turn tables...a microphone.... and the TONE TRUTH! Go! What 3 pedals make the board?
Wooow Season 2 with an Introsong
Only took 47 Episodes
Tubescreamers for the win whatever the rig. Maaaaaaybe not a vox but sometimes yes
I'm here for the shameless self promotion 100%. Do the damn thing, Zach!
Totally agree with you Zac on the TS for that push on a great amp and general opinion on overdrives Snob don't like em Totally emotional And yes minimal reverb or none for me
ZVex SHO is the BEST boost.