A321 RIVAL? - The Boeing 737 MAX LR..
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- There once was a proposed 737 MAX LR, known as the 737-8ERX, with a view to boosting the range and closing the gap between the A321neo, which was advancing in the mid-2010s. But what limitations were present, and why didn't it happen?
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There is no other option for Boeing than develop a new plane.
fr the 73 has a lot of '60s parts
Yes. They need a jet with a 2-3-2 economy cabin configuration. You'd never have to crawl over more than one seat to get to the aisle. I'm not an engineer; so I can't envision how you'd execute the stow bins, lavatories, galleys, and oxygen masks.
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@@IamNiggler Erm, what the sigma
Boeing need to finish certification of the planes in the queue before they start the next round and given how out of date the 737 is now, it would be better to focus on next gen aircraft perhaps. I think Airbus are already well ahead in next gen that Boeing getting lost in old aircraft is just putting them further and further behind.
737 MAX is actually more efficient then the a320.
A plane that is not flying is not efficient
I bet they have the blueprints ready and the second Boeing will announce starting the 757 replacement program, airbus will build a prototype and fly it in less than a year!
@@agamemnon7461 They need engines too. Haven't heard of any new engines recently...
@@fkaptijn7111The Max is not flying? Unless you mean A320 neo...many of them are definitely not flying.
737 Max 10 ER for extended risk! No way, Boeing messed up when stopping the NMA project.
For pete’s sake, please don’t make me sit in a 73 any longer than I have to. The 737 was designed for short haul. They are narrow, loud, and uncomfortable. As a pilot, I would not want to be crammed in the 73 cockpit for long haul…
They already do transatlantic from the east coast with MAX 8s as it matches the range of the 757. And United uses MAX 9s for flights from Denver to Hawaii, which is 7.5 hours, only about an hour shorter than a transatlantic out of Denver (Denver to London is 8.5ish hours).
I once sat in a Max 9 for about 7 hours flying from Panama City to Buenos Aires. Fortunately, I was in a window seat with the middle and aisle seats empty.
We did 7 hours to Hawaii on a full 800-Max and it was hell.
you literally have videos of you being in an apache, THE IRONY!
@@74viation yes, and for 8 hour missions, it got cramped!
They shouldve never killed the 757
At the time, no one was buying the B757 because airlines were using the spoke and hub concept which utilized larger aircrafts to fly long-haul routes. Now, airlines are doing direct flights from point to point but it's too late for the B757.
A re-engine of the 757 would've been a much better choice than the MAX 9 or MAX 10. Unfortunately with the 757 having been out of production for 20 years, the chances of pulling off a 757 MAX now are zero.
Stupidity killed the 757. The FAA wouldn't allow it to fly over the oceans despite Boeing arguing it could and didn't need many modifications. Now throw in the save the earth idiots who presented Airlines with flawed research about pollution and how much more eco-friendly narrow body two engine planes could work just as efficiently if not better. than wide bodies. Unfortunately for the passengers they listened to these clowns. And now we have the mess we are in now. Narrow bodies are not comfortable to ride on.
@@mrvwbug4423 Agree! The B757 is based on old technology compared to more advanced aircraft like the A321 series. To do a clean-sheet B757 will take time and re-tooling a production line will be too costly. There is no guarantee the airlines want it when it's ready to fly after flying the A321's for many years.
I think at this point, to get public perception away from the negativity of 737 MAX program, bringing back the 757 might be the best course. Design it as a modern version, close to a single aisle version of the 787. The advent of lighter materials and engines with longer legs would fill that role of a longer narrow body aircraft.
I'm not sure if there's enough of a market for Boeing to even consider doing an ER variant for the MAX 8, 9 or 10. They should probably wait for the next generation. Get their House in order and worry about Quality Control. They have three other planes to get certified.
100% I am so surprised the MAX is still flying! This is what happens when you try to dress mutton as lamb!
I remember this trick. Boeing CEO did the same announcement when airbus announced the A320 NEO
Excpet they didnt have any design plans and the rushed process caused 2 crashes.
Seriously, seriously short memories at Boeing.
Is the clock on my PC off by some months? Is it April 1st today?
As an aviator with type ratings in both the 737 and the A320 I have to say there is absolutely NO WAY the 737 if kept in its current form could EVER do anything better than the Airbus. In a really STUPID effort to maintain commonality all the way back to 1968 the 737 has in many of its systems been kept in 1968.
737 has no EICAS, when the master caution goes off you got to play doctor and try and diagnose what exactly is wrong. 737 has but two IRS units - Airbus has three. 737 has only two (and a quarter maybe) hydraulic systems - Airbus has three. 737 ( to include the newest MAXs) have a weak ass APU. I could go on forever just suffice it to say that if Boeing builds something that tries to maintain commonality back to 1968 it will be another failure.
I fly the BBJ (B737NG) and the ACJ (a319). My first flight doing a Atlantic crossing in the BBJ, we had to divert before we started the crossing, because 1 of 2 IRS units went Tango Uniform. I was flabbergasted to learn that we couldn’t cross because of a single IRS failure.
How exactly does the 737 have a "quarter maybe" hydraulic system? Full disclosure, I'm asking a question for which I already know the answer. But I'm really interested in hearing you explain that one.
@@toms1348
Stick your head up in the main gear well. Take a look at that weenie ass little standby reservoir - hence a quarter !
FAA requires MAX 10 to be certified with a 3rd virtual IRS (that compares the other 2) that will then be required to be retrofitted to prior models. Not as good as Airbus's 3 physical inputs but a significant improvement over just the two.
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That is good news - now if they’d just require an EICAS and a decent APU !
the structures are of an old design, much of the originals still remain (60s).... the window sizes are small, and are too low for the average height of today's people.... many "economical" solutions such as leaving the wheels exposed, are not necessary today... in general, the size of the fuselage (internal) became obsolete, and without providing significant fuel savings per pax because of it... it is impossible to lengthen this model further, in total length, nor in wing height nor in commercial life time... greetings
This isn't going to happen. The Max10 is the extent of the Max. The business case isn't there anymore anyway...nearly EVERY potential buyer has already gone Airbus. Boeing will not be a real contender again until the 2040s
Boeing needs to finish certification of current models and then focus on the TTBW/X-66 design so that it can finally have a narrow body offer that's better than the A320 series is currently. The TTBW design is the future of narrowbody aircraft and they currently have a head start on airbus, but thanks to screwing up certification they've pulled some of the team to work on the MAX *sigh*
The way Boeing breaking their heads coming up with more twisted 737 version look awfully similar to what MD was doing to md-80 series before they merge with Boeing…
Yep, just grasping at straws. MD had many chances to compete head to head with Boeing in the 70s and 80s and they always blew it. Sounds familiar.
Thanks for the laugh this Monday morning. Boeing haven’t a hope in hell of competing with AIRBUS.
They should just concentrate on stopping their 737 and 777 blowing to bits.
Neither plane has blown to bits...let's dispense with this unnecessary hyperbole.
@@toms1348yeah, and those incidents on the triple 7 were because of maintenance issues, not controlled by Boeing but by the airline, correct me if I’m wrong there
Interesting video with some good information, but yeah - we all know that (even) Boeing isn't stupid enough to put one PENNY into modifying this old design ever again. It's tapped-out, and it was tapped-out ages ago. Those projects were abandoned due to the issues the MAX 10 is already seeing, but looking at what makes the XLR possible (the evolution of the ACT tanks on the NEO / LR) into permanent tanks, the fuel system as a whole, and the available cargo / luggage space is a massive issue that Boeing would have to deal with.
I just don't see a scenario where the plane could store enough fuel to compete with the XLR, and if it did, it would have to be a smaller variant to keep the performance up and stay within reasonable MTOW limits (both of which were mentioned in the video.) A smaller long-range variant would be much less desirable than something like the XLR, as they're demanding a premium price and need to carry a decent amount of passengers.
MTOW bumps are something Airbus has also been very good about over the years, they keep evolving their designs and getting increased certifications - lessons that have certainly helped lead to the LR/XLR variants we see today. Another issue is the engines - the MAX already has lower-bypass-ratio engines than the NEO family, and the XLR is requiring 35,000lb thrust-class engines. The LEAP-1B for the MAX would have (at the most) around 29,000lb thrust, and possibly 31 if they really push the engine and ratings for T/O - its still a far cry from a standard XLR 35k thrust rating, and the more you push a smaller-bypass/fan diameter engine for thrust, the less efficient it's going to be.
Again, I think the MAX-10 is going to have major MTOW restrictions VS the LR/XLR and even the 321 NEO - at least in hot/high climates. The engine clearance issue has been screwing them for decades, and it's only getting worse. The MAX-10 stretch or a future LR variant of it is simply NOT efficient enough to handle a ~5,000lb thrust disadvantage (well, 10k total) vs. a possible competitor. I think the engines were the kicker, they probably gave CFM a max cowl diameter and said "we need ANOTHER 6klbs thrust" and all the engineers started laughing. 🤣
no way, The Co struggles to produce a quality plane right now. Airbus won this segment , they deserve it.
Boeing would lose loads both losing to A220 and an A321XLR, they need an answer to one of them
Before developing a new plane, Boeing should try to fix it's current quality and production problems.
Starting to think Boeing is never going to make another clean sheet design 😂 Are they even capable?!
I wouldn't expect it. The only long range non-BBJ 737 variant was the 700LR which is a BBJ fitted with a regular cabin was only built in small numbers for Japan Airlines to use on a few specific routes. As it stands I do not expect the MAX 10 to ever be certified, the 900 and MAX 9 already have issues with tail strikes and excessively long takeoff distances due to the length of the fuselage and the low ground clearance. The MAX 7 should get certified as it probably is the MAX variant that is pushing the 737 design the least, but I wouldn't expect demand for a long range variant of a 130 seat aircraft.
The 737s brand reputation has been irreversibly tarnished. The single aisle long range aircraft would potentially be the most popular, in demand airplane by quantity. If the a321 has a huge backlog, that is an undeniable opportunity.
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I wont be surprised if the max 8 gets certified for this.
As the max 9 is kinda tied up & the max 10 should not be build at all.
The 8 can't hold the fuel
@@miamisasquatch That's the issue - they need the larger airframe for fuel storage, but the luggage/cargo area isn't ideal for it at all. Even if they managed to do it (low-density seating for less luggage requirements, not always ideal) they'd run into major weight issues, and would definitely need more thrust, which they can't get out of the LEAP-1B. On paper, the regular MAX-10 was (literally) a stretch, but that's ABSOLUTELY the end of it as far as optimization goes IMHO.
The Max 10 should become either the B797 or the B757 MAX
Rival? Boeing is Boeing's first enemy, way before Airbus.
By the time Boeing would have the MAX-LR certified, Airbus will be finishing work on the XLR-neo....
In 20 years we will have the Boeing 737 LRLR MaxMax...
They need “one more” stretch to the 737 MAX 11 so they can point to it and say, “This one goes up to 11.”
Could you be more boeing, Dj? This segment has sailed for Boeing. Gone forever. Airbus is in charge here, like it or not.
That’s strange for you to call DJ in Boeings corner. I have always seen him as anti Boeing and in love with Airbus.
@@mygirlbecka1 boeing news only and trying to make them good news.
So many good news with Airbus and he barely mention it. Therefore!
No 737MAX LR version. Either bring back a NEO version of the B757 to save some time or just develop a whole new aircraft
United and Delta should pressure Boeing to MAX the 757.
@@kennethedwards1017Delta doesn't want to use Boeing anymor
The MAX 10 will be adequate for standard range routes but to do an 'LR', the 737 MAX would need to have enlarged main landing gear enabling it to take more powerful Leap 1A engines. That would entail many other changes and a loss of commonality with other MAX models. Doing all that would cost up to $2 billion for a single derivative so it's highly unlikely.
There is a reason why Boeing designed 757 in the eighties. Just to point out a few issues, 737 has not enough strength in its under carriage, nor adequate height to support heavier fuel tank, and more powerful engines. 737max is already tweaked far beyond its inherent potential. Boeing should design a taller, wider narrow body with composite airframe, wings and more new technologies. there is enough potential to recover the costs from narrow body aircraft sale. They can also give better travel experience for single aisle travelers with wider seats and more leg room. They should build an airplane which can do better than A321XLR in terms of range and fuel efficiency.
I would say once all versions are certified yes would be good to see a ERX .
Boeing is broke already..the 777X is long overdue
Yep. I remember when the 777X was announced in 2013 and still it's not here yet.
It's getting certified now
The encouraging A321-XLR is a solid reality that will be in the skies very soon (with Iberia, if I am not wrong), eventhought the frame of the A321 was almost ready to be engineered to convert it in a long ranger. Boeing should starting to design the succesor of the 60s old frame 737 once and for all and stop the nonsense
The fundamental poblem with ultra-long-range 737 variants comes from it being so low to the ground as it was originally designed for manual loading. Aint no place to put an extra belly tank (at least that any regulator would allow) without big changes to the centre of gravity, which means changing wing, engine and probably empennage poition too. Changing even a little of that worked out so well for the MAX - not. Carrying the extra fuel within the fuselage, on the other hand, wrecks passenger capacity and hence the economics. Boeing simply cannot compete with the 321LR and XLR without a clean sheet design.
Boeing does not have the will (or the money) to further develop the 737. They still need to certify the -7 and -10 variants. They have to get the 777X certified and get the 787 build issues and production rectified. Their only hope is to hang on to second place for now. Maybe in the 2030's sometime they will be able to develop a completely new aircraft, especially after new propulsion systems are developed. In the meantime they have their work cut out for them.
Oh great, a MAX LR.
So that it can crash in the middle of the atlantic ocean instead of directly after takeoff.
MAXs already fly transatlantic, they have a 4000nm range, that's enough to reach western europe from all the hubs in the eastern US except for Miami.
@@mrvwbug4423 no version of the MAX has a 4000nm range except any BBJ versions. And as I look at FR24 now there is only one single 737 flying from LHR to Halifax, Canada. A321's on the other hand, plenty of those.
@@tomstravels520 Correction it's 4000 statute miles, 3500nm. Same range as the regular neos. I know Icelandair was running MAX 8s between North American cities and Reykjavik.
Most people don't know this, but there's an ER version of the 737NG, and I believe it was only operated by ANA. Since the Max is mostly based on the NG, adding fuel tanks to increase range would be easy. However, I believe that interest in a long range Max would only be for the Max 10, so it's something Boeing may do for select customers such as GOL, Copa and maybe Virgin Australia.
With regards to the A321 XLR, I know that it's been certified by EASA, but has it been certified by the FAA and the CAAC?
You need to be more specific as most people know there is a 737-900ER used by the likes of Delta, Alaska and United. The Max 10 has the smallest range of the lot so how much fuel and how much space would be needed to make it equal to the LR-XLR? Even if the FAA chose not to certify it that would just mean it can't enter US airspace or be used by a US Airline. And many airlines would be rightly angry at that decision.
@@tomstravels520You're correct about the 737-900ER. ANA had two 737-700ERs that most don't know about.
My main point was that, since the Max is based on the NG, Boeing is already capable of extending the range of any Max by increasing fuel capacity, so if there's a demand to increase the range of the Max 10, they can easily do it.
The 737 wing is much better than the 321 wing. Allowing it 200-4000 fly higher in the cruise typically. This gives it a fuel saving edge (max vs Neo) yes the 321 can take more pax (max8vs321) but on a long flight being 4000 higher is a saving that outweighs the extra pax (particularly in a traditional airline cabin fit with business and economy).
Boeing is Shurtape Technologies' best customer!
2 prices for this plane. The cheap one for the average version, and the more pricey who comes with all bolts in place. Guess which one companies will buy ....??
I highly doubt Boeing is stupid enough to "modernize" another old frame (737 or 757). Their best option right now is cleaning house and in the 2030's focus on a clean-sheet design. The 737 has obviously served out it's time. Boeing needs to show the world that they can engineer a new and reliable aircraft again.
Boeing should absolutely not be investing in more 737 designs. All this will do is make their situation worse. They MUST focus on developing a new, fuel efficient, narrow body aircraft because the 737 is not only falling out of public favor, but it is also running out of ways to improve because of its low landing gear. I’d also say that there is no way that Boeing can compete with the A321. It’s a developed, proven aircraft, and with the XLR being certified, Boeing is way too far behind to start trying to compete with it. The fact that the A321XLR will be the first long haul narrow body aircraft means that smaller airlines will buy it first and not have a reason to go with a MAX variant.
I like the Max. It has a name. All jets should have one like concord or Dreamliner
Agree with many here. The US market is huge but anxilliary airport services should just accept that things have changed. How is it that loading & unloading luggage takes priority in designing a modern airliner these days. Design from a clean sheet. Do your job & produce an aircraft with longer landing gear What gives? Let the 737 Ng /800 exit with dignity......
Bet Boeing will name it Boeing 737 MAX 911.
It will be lit.
It better be full fly by wire amd have the 787 dreamliner cockpit
Absolutely no way will any version of the 737 MAX compete with the A321XLR.
How about Boeing work on making sure the plane is bolted together properly first. They can’t even get the Max 10 certified, let alone bolting together Max 8/9.
So yea, build it right first Boeing, then get to work on a new plane to replace 737.
Boeing Needs to Seriously Consider Building the Boeing NMA - 797, Stop Fiddling around with the 737 Design, It's Old, Boeing Needs A New Aircraft to Replace the Aging 757!!
Good video
Or maybe… use an old factory and re-activate the 757? There’s been nothing like it and airlines love it. Just make a 757-400 along with the -300 and -200 variants. Airlines, especially trans-Atlantic airlines would go crazy over it and maybe in the future Boeing could make a 757MAX/ER with the -8 and -9
Airlines don't love it - they have routes that need them in very few cases, and were anticipating a replacement a decade or so which never happened. 321NEO's are showing 30%+ reductions in fuel burn versus a 757-200 on pretty much every route, sometimes greater than that. In a world where 2% means everything, that's just astronomical. That's like saying you should bring back the 707 for nostalgic purposes lol. ALL of Boeing's production facilities are tied up, and they've got thousands of orders for the MAX which is already certified and has customers waiting - why take away production to build something that wouldn't sell when you can just pump out more planes you've already sold? What engine would you use - they're all fuel guzzlers and they don't make the RB211 anymore. The latest PW2000 variant first flew 31 years ago, so that's not going to get you any takers either. New engines = new certification ie. more time and money. Plus you're putting lipstick on a pig, it's still heavy and aerodynamically inefficient with older build methods/materials.
Trust me, Boeing looked into this when they decided to abandon the NMA project. Any variant of the 757 wouldn't be good ENOUGH to beat the NEO family, and if they made it so, it would take too long and cost too much in a market where composite airframes are the future. A ground-up composite plane would put them 10 years out, during which time everyone would have to buy NEO's, so they did the only thing they could - a fast-track 737 modification that appeals to as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, they went about it the wrong way (and didn't have an ideal foundation for which to start the MAX with anyways.)
No more MAX , better a 757-LR 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 No 757-MAX either the name MAX must disappear. 🙂🙂🙂🙂
The 737 is Not LD3 container compatible, which puts any new 737 LR derivative on the back foot from the get go... Too often overlooked, and the LD3 option available to the A321 and it's siblings is a Very attractive option for airlines wishing to operate medium to long haul with narrow bodies........
No more max!!
IMO the MAX suffix is a certain jinx. Boeing seems determined to fail. It's their brand. They own it.
@@RichardBarnett-hs1qy I agree
Thanks for this Dj!!
Not developing the NMA/797 was a blunder . Boeing are already too late , the 737 has reached the end of the line .
Boeing does not have the financial resources to launch a new plane design which will cost $5B to $10B. Boeing needs to fix its quality issues, get several new designs certified, and get its supply chain back in order before launching a new plane design. Maybe in five years, Boeing will be able to launch developing something big and creative like 787.
If they can’t even certify a MAX10 in a timely manner, a MAX10 ER is a laughable bandaid option. A clean sheet aircraft is the only viable option
What Next ? The Max 10 through 20 !!
Boeing should learn from the mistakes of the 737 Max.. it's not possible to enhance the 737 without doing major modifications
It's better to go back to the drawing board for a new aircraft to replace the 757 and compete with 320 XLR
If now the 737 MAX are very dangerous imagine with a one more tank 😢😢😢
No matter what 737 will be my second favorite aircraft right behind the 757. Y‘all can call me a stupid retarded kid for liking the 737 but I don’t like Boeing I just like their aircraft. Don’t blame the max for the crashes blame the creator Boeing. Other than that I don’t see „cramped“ „small“ or „noisy“ in the max or ng. Wanna know cramped? Go in a general aviation plane or bombardier. Other than that I wish Boeing could revive the 757 and 767 but they can’t. But remember, before you call the 737 a pig and all of that. The 747 is barely any younger. It‘s also a pig according to you all. So why are you sad it‘s getting scrapped? Why are you sad that it‘s ending production? It has the deadliest aviation disaster! „oH iT’s pOpUlAr aNd oLd“ ISNT THAT THE 737??? Also let‘s see YOU make an aircraft! I bet it‘ll break apart before it can exit the hanger or move! With a range of 1nm. 1mm legroom. 1 passenger. If the 737 is cramped, so is the A320. Be happy aviation isn’t at it’s worst it can get worse and dumber. Each aircraft has a downfall some are just unfortunate with it being early like the 737.
Just what the World needs....more 737-Max Models! Wouldn't they be just a Leetle Late on this? Airbus is ready to deliver the A321 XLR
The 737-10 may be the best choice, given that it already has a modified landing gear and can hold more fuel given its length.
is this variant of the boring B7437 designed to dive into the ground dhortlyvaftervtske off as with the boeing737max8 after the self ejecting plug type doors what future. dangers are boeing plsnning to include on the new Boeing B737s. does every passenger who flies in a B737get a medal for bravery!
They need to quit trying to make the 737 something it isn't. Just throw in the towel and make a new, SAFE type aircraft. Otherwise more people are going to die because they clearly can't develop the 37 safely anymore.
About 20 years ago they were planning to make an all new narrowbody, but went the cheap route and gave us the MAX. A clean sheet narrowbody built around the CFM LEAP engines would be a game changer, but it won't happen. Boeing is stuck with the MAX, and Airbus is sitting pretty with the A320neo family so has no need to design a new aircraft.
@@mrvwbug4423 the A320's design is also 40 years old, but Airbus does still have the A220 stretch on the table
Dear Airlines, Airbus and Boeing, no one in their right mind wants to travel more than 4hrs or so in a single aisle plane, unless it's 2x2, and that ain't happening.
They will do if it’s cheap.
I will never fly a 737 Max, let alone a 737 Max LR
757 was it. Only a new 757 can replace the original.
Surely any new variant would not be covered under the extensions given to allow the MAX7 and MAX10 avoid the now current requirements.
If Boeing were able to incorporate ALL those new requirements after they had claimed that they needed those extensions to avoid having to cancel the MAX10, could this be problematic?
Unless they were lying through their teeth about the affordability, any further MAX development is now dead in the water.
FAA stripped the extensions from both the MAX 10 and MAX 7. They may be able to get them back on the 7 since it's probably the MAX variant that is pushing the 737 design the least, I suspect the MAX 10 will never be certified.
@@mrvwbug4423 Are you sure? I can't find anything to back this up.
There is no reality the 737 Max 10 competes with the A321Lr or XLR. The A321 is so far ahead of the antique 737 it’s not funny. Thats like comparing the 707 with an A330 neo. 😂. Boeing need a single isle clean sheet design. Boeing are over a decade behind at this point and should focus on getting what they have certified.
There was also the 737-800ERX
which actually became a thing, unlike the 737-8ERX
They could really use a 737-10ER right now, but it is way too late to start developing that if they haven't already
Wishful thinking. The B737 has reached its final development. The NMA could change the market but Boeing let Airbus to become the reference in the single aisle segment with the A320/21 NEO and each evolution. A missed opportunity from Boeing...
Hahaha. They cannot get the existing version to stay airborne. Also the LR and XLR are so firmly established, who would buy another questionable 737 variant.
It is delusional to assert that Boeing will develop a 737 max LR in order to rival the a321. The current 737 max fallout just abstains Boeing from building a new aircraft.
yes, it is
No Copyright.
The NG should've been the last in this line and Boeing should've started developing a new B737, B757 from scratch in the same time the B787 program was on, which was a B767 replacement that should've kept the same name btw, not sur why B787!!! The B747-8 is the prove that this would've worked and gave Boeing a huge advantage over Airbus now!
It's too late today to fill any of the gaps and soon, all B737-8 customers will switch to Airbus!
Boeing is done and there is nothing they can do about it!
What ever Boeing do, the B737 will never surpass the A321XLR
The 797 would be a better competitor. Boeing won't admit it, but the 737 has a tarnished reputation thanks to their bungling.
The 797 was killed in early development because Boeing has made it clear they will not develop an all new aircraft until single pilot crews become a thing, they want to get into the front door of a new and dangerous but cheap trend.
Good update. But Boing is still in trouble.
737 doest even have space for landing gear door. Where will Boeing gonna put the extra fuel tank?
Boeing should 1. Clean house 2. Improve Quality control 3. 797 next Gen aircraft.
As a Boeing Fan, they just need to concentrate on certifying Max variants & looking to that future NMA. Obviously, a HUUUUGE mistake in settling with 737 platform. ALL people who were responsible for bringing the Max forward need to be fired…..TWICE.
Nothing can replace the 757, but a321 XLR comes closest I guess. I still believe the XLR to be niche.
Isn’t that what the 737 Max 10 is suppose to do?
Just certify that 737 Max 10, Boeing.
Installing more fuel tanks in the 737 Max 8 or 9 will require recertification again.
That’s way cheaper than developing a brand new airframe and getting said new airframe certified.
the MAX 10 doesn't have nearly the range required to compete with the A321XLR
1) Why LR and not ER like Boeing already named their planes.
2) Id have to be same and/or more range of A321 XLR. LR is not enough anymore.
XLR is a marketing name, the A321XLR's actual airframe name is Airbus A321-2xx followed by NY (A321-253NY).
@@frutdafruit you didnt get anything from what I said 🤣
The 737 program has reached the end. Boeing needs to build a new plane from scratch (if they still have enough competent engineers left to do it, that is).
If Southwest expresses interest, Boeing will build it.
Where are they going to carry the needed fuel? Wing pods? A cargo rack on top? 😂😂😂
Edit: Maybe we shouldn’t give them free ideas
It's time for a new aircraft for BOEING.
Why? So it could have another plug door blow out again
The problem for all of you, “Airbus is perfect and have never had a problem” people. There is so much demand for new aircraft world wide, neither Airbus or Boeing can come close to meeting demand on their own. Thus demand has opened the door for Comac and Embrier to fill the gap. Even if only Chinese government owned airlines buy from Comac, that will open a lot of line build for both Airbus and Boeing. Then we will see real cost competition between the two aircraft builders.
I agree, and strangely enough so does Airbus - they clearly see future competition in smaller planes coming from Comac rather than Boeing. ATM Comac's planes cannnot match either Airbus' or Boeing's, but the Chinese have a history of learning and - government backed - have very deep pockets to do it with. Expect a C919 neo or max at some stage ...
NMA; 767 sized w/ 757 fuel burn rate
Hard to do punching a widebody hole through the air
How??? They're literally almost identical minus one being a widebody. You're trying to defy the laws of physics lol.
@@miamisasquatch 787 manages it, it has lower fuel burn than a 767
Boeing has suficient work getting their planes out. if the invest, they will invest in a new 737
Why cut corners when you can cut corners with Long Range 😎
Yes build a 737 max 10.5neopart 2lrxl.
As a flight attendant for a company who flies this plane, PLEASE DON’T!! The interior is to small. Don’t give my company any ideas or hope for this.
Boeing will do better with A NMA than a Boeing 737Max ER Or LR so Boeing should go for the Boeing 797's Project in the late 2030's.
Seriously! They have a plane. They just need to redesign it! They could easily modify the 757 and run with it!!! Who tf is running the company???
Fr!!! Boeing could make the 757-200 renamed as 757-8 and 757-300 as 757-9! Just re-engine it CFM International LEAP and 737 MAx winglets on it! There, there’s a 757 MAX.
@GarlandTexasSpotter2024 YES! Maybe modify the nose a bit so it looks different and ready! Airlines have been extending their lives like a person in coma, yet boeing wants to stretch the 737.... more???? It's like doubling the disaster and giving it to the next person.
@@dipayannag7413 Are you serious? The production line closed in 2004, the aircraft would have to be recertified as a whole new aircraft, if it's taken Boeing 5+ years to get the 777x going which hasn't closed production, how long do you think it would take to certify a 757 Max? If you're going to certify a new aircraft, you may as well design and build a new aircraft
Boeing must get their house in order first and foremost. Get the right people in charge then go after the markets like a hungry wolf. But definitely not now with the wimpy, make excuses, people running the circus now.
BUT it is Boeing so the answer has to be NO WAY