PANEL: WHAT IS THE WEST? | Jordan Peterson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, John Anderson, Os Guinness
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- "Western Civilisation is a cut flower, and cut flowers die... but we have the remnants, the symbols of Western heritage, and their seeds. All we have to do, those of us who inherited it, is to go and see them, grow them, nurture them, water them".
00:00 - 2:09 Introduction & Os Guinness: The Nature of Narrative
2:10 - 8:04 Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Adopting a Civilisation
8:05 - 12:12 John Anderson: Why do we have a sense of lostness?
12:13 - 27:14 How should we interpret the discourse of Power and Oppression?
27:14 - 35:09 Our Relationship to the Transcendent Good
35:10 - 44:02 John Anderson: The danger of making government God
44:03 - 49:29 Ayaan’s closing remarks
A panel discussion with Jordan Peterson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, John Anderson, and Os Guinness on identifying the problem of cultural decay as well as the way forwards.
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a research fellow at Hoover Institution, founder of the AHA Foundation, and host of The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast. Born in Somalia, Ayaan became a member of the Dutch parliament before moving to the USA.
The Hon John Anderson AC FTSE is a former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. He now serves in a broad variety of civic and community pursuits and hosts Australia's pre-eminent politico-cultural video podcast.
Find out more about John's ideas in the accompanying ARC Research paper: www.arcforum.com/research-pap...
Os Guinness is an author and social critic. He holds a DPhil from Oxford University, has been a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and was the lead drafter of The Global Charter of Freedom of Conscience and Religion.
Find out more about Os' ideas in the accompanying ARC Research paper: www.arcforum.com/research-pap...
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Join us in building this narrative, rejecting the notion of inevitable decline. Instead, let's seek solutions that tap into humanity's highest virtues and remarkable capacity for innovation and ingenuity.
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Thank you.
Will download this. Os is a man for the times!
Evil looks like terrorists attacking and killing innocent civilians BUT evil also looks like a terrorist state out for blood and revenge, bombing innocent civilians that it forced into a concentration camp. So why does your description of evil only work one way Ayan?
True. I am going to add, that John is saying he approves of a people that has been in the land for 50,000 years, and after 400 years of inhabiting with them, still said no.
What would God say? Would he point to them, and ask "what have you done with them?"
How will you answer, after you were told to treat others as you would be treated, which the Aborigines are part of the call. How are you going to answer?
You wonder why NZ always is adamant on saying no to joining with Australia.@@normanberg9940
Please, I am an ARC supporter, please let others besides JP lead some discussions! I like JP, but he lacks humility and is in love with himself. It is good to have him lead SOME discussions.
As viewers i would suggest we all have a responsibility to SHARE this channel and its content to all our other social media platforms as far and wide as we can.
for sure!!
Done! Even though close people will become more distant 😢
🔆🌈🌲🦚🌳Yes, I share your sentiments😊🦋🦋
Definitely . I already shared a shorter video with Facebook. Definitely plan on sharing more.
absolutely! I cannot believe I'm just finding it today, I've been waiting for this
I've really missed Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She dropped off my radar when she stepped back from public life to concentrate on motherhood, and I'm delighted to see her back in the saddle sharing her insights and wisdom. I can't say there's anyone I admire more than Ayaan. She's heroic, wise, intelligent and compassionate.
Totally agree ,Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an inspiration. I love her clarity .
She has been chosen only because of her anti Muslim credentials.
I'm sorry she chose this panel to present her message.
She's a bigot.
I don't know how to help make a change too take us back to a Christian nation. The system rejects faith and doesn't want me/us to change there agenda. Help us the people that want to help change our nation to its root beliefs. Sign me up!
Ps you guys are great in the way of explaining the truth of the matters. I'm happy you exist but we the faithful would love to prayerfully pitch in. Just need direction.
Thank heavens for Dr J Peterson. We're finally coalescing our voices to fight against the madness of the woke...Well done team.
…but even more.
Do you even know what woke means?
ua-cam.com/video/-P8H5Z8VAMU/v-deo.html
yeah, but what are you mob actually saying?
more than you because at least we've got real names@@user-eo9mk5fq7c
Replacing the madness of woke with another madness isn’t any solution. Preaching from the high altar of privilege with its own prejudices is another madness. Coalescing voices is playing to their prejudices. Society needs to move towards a harmony of conflicting views to find agreement on which everyone can subscribe and commit for reasonable change. This isn’t that harmony. From the outset endorsing Israel is creating conflict with Palestine omitting the long historical context of this dispute. That’s inexcusable.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali may you live forever. May your children be as many as the children of Abraham. May God bless you and keep you, may He shine His face upon you and be gracious to you, may He lift up His face upon you and give you peace. In the name of the prince of peace I pray, AMEN.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
@@annakimborahpathank you for that information 🙏🏾 😊
So true.Amen
Wow! How much do modern politician have to learn from the caliber and quality of their predecessors like John Anderson!! One can only hope that their mentorship and example impacts the new generation of politicians and leaders.
I would argue that this is making politicians are governments entirely redundant. This is demonstrating that we CAN govern ourselves. Why do we need government and tyrants to dictate to us when we are all responsible for and govern ourselves? Politicians and government have only ever created problems and conflict throughout history by destroying people’s ability to think for themselves and govern themselves. I think this new alliance has so much potential and one of the things it should do is help us all break down our programming that we need government and politicians at all.
@drewrussell - Good point. Add to that that we as taxpayers have no say in where and how our taxes are spent. Governments have proven unaccountable and nothing but corrupt and exploitative.
@@matildafaltyn6253 Absolutely! No matter how much people try to justify it, taxation is theft - plain and simple! The idea that we aren't responsible enough to decide where to spend our own money and that, without tax, the world would fall apart is ridiculous. We're all adult humans, not children. If we collectively started taking more responsibility for ourselves instead of relying on "mum and dad" (the state), who knows how far we could spiritually evolve?
@@drewrussell Hi Drew
I have never paid much tax as a stay at home mum & wife most of my life, but I so appreciate many ways government does spend money. Every time I go anywhere it is on a government built & maintained road, when I gave birth to my babies, or when I had to take them to hospital in the middle of the night for some reason - it was to a public hospital, they got a good education at schools, as older members of the family needed support services & care, there were government funded/subsidised services. I can't imagine what our country would look like if all these services were left to individuals to arrange & put in place as each one felt like doing. I imagine most people are like me & have had the benefit of using government provided infrastructure & services (roads, rubbish tips, schools, hospitals, aged care facilities, police services, hospitals, sporting facilities, etc, etc) that far outweigh anything I could ever pay for as an individual.
Ayaan’s voice is a clarion call to the world.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Ayaan’s closer was absolutely brilliant.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
What an amazing Group of people to discuss our future . May god bless this endeavor
What a nice group of zionists. La la la....
I concur,what amazing people with superior arguments to support what they believe.
@ChristopherRyans you realize that not all in the panel believe in God, right?
@@wernerstapela4616 But they all believe in sciontism. That's a prerequisite to be on this stage....
@@gmw3083 So what can you bring to the table apart from insults? What is your highest ideal?
What a ride! As a member of the Iranian diaspora and a citizen of Finland, I totally relate with Ayaan in the way she described her decision to adopt Western civilization and the values it stands for. Realism and the freedom to be responsible for what is meaningful for the individual while closing the cycle by contributing to society to preserve these values for the present and future. This is an intellectually intense and joyful session I get back to often from today! Thank you Ayaan, Jordan, Os, and John for this gift! Thanks ARC!
As an immigrant from Africa I totally get it too, although Western liberals always accuse me of being a traitor to my culture. I turn right back and tell them why are you betraying your culture then?
As born and bred Westerner; Zionism and WASP Anglo-American colonial-terror, parasitism and plunder is NOT Western Civilization, it is our equivalent to your Jihadist nutters.
Nothing is right about the horrrific treatment of Palestein people , there should be sanctions against Israel , too many bay for blood , those people are in an open prison that treats its prisoners disgracefully , for decades. God does not condone tourture , starvation and imprisoment , total bull. Her voice shakes as she knows she is in the wrong .
@@peacedreamerable Hamas is a NAZI like organization that came ti power by crushing its political opponents with political violence. It's roots are with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who sided with Hitler and organized a Muslim Croate fascist Militia. If Gaza is an open air prison than Hamas are the prison guards. Only the workers of all the nations of the middle east can bring peace though socialist revolution. Israel must be a refuge for the Jews.
The prison was created by their own people. They had a state . Do you know in the 70’s , their was no military presence in West Bank. Do you know why Thierry is military presence there now, to keep the peace and stop the attacks being orchestrated by radical beliefs from the leadership. Hamas and Iran the sponsor is killing Palestinians and they are being used for a greater evil where no Palestinians are left because anyone with common sense and some money would leave the nonsense and injustice by Hamas , PLO and Iran.
Always great to hear from Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
I’ve never heard her before but I like her ideas.
@@conniecooley5542 you better read her amazing autobiography “Infidel”.
@@conniecooley5542She's a bigot.
She thinks the story of the West is the story of life. Maybe she missed the part where Europe, the cradle of the west, has been in a constant state of conflict since it began.
.... and everywhere that Europe went, the reaper followed....
Thank you for this discussion! Makes me hopeful among all the depressing news.
Aayan, you have articulated the difference between the God of Israel, and the god of Islam: the God of life and the god of death. You have made the change from death to life and you are a beautiful testimony.
Loved Ayaan's comment at the end about her evolution to adhering to Judeo Christian values. Even Dawkins has made recent comments about the utility of Christianity. People are beginning to see that values of truth and equality are not the norm and they crumble without a foundation.
Thankfully I live in Canada. We have freedom of religion and one religion does not guide society over others.
@frijolero6048 This is the issue which solutions are being discussed in this video. The lack of a unifying story. The unifying story is not about worship or practices it's about a narrative of morales linked to historical continuity, which is based in the ancient judeochristian traditions.
What we are losing in this ability to contextually analyse what part of beliefs are related to the environment and historical context in which they emerged.
On the side of protestant fundementalists, they cling to the book as if it was a life raft disconnected from the larger ship long ago, any influence since leaving the ship considered to be chaff. For the enlightened atheist/agnostic its that they can't see past language and practices of ancient people and declare it intellectually baron without another thought. Both are ignorant and close minded.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
@@annakimborahpa oh wow didnt know she made it official. Good for her.
@@frijolero6048you have freedom of religion in Canada because of Judeo-Christian ethics.
At last!
Ayaan Hirsi Ali hits the nail on the head: They will come for us next. We've opened the gate and let a gigantic Trojan horse into our societies.
When she said this as a Dutch MP they laughed at her...decade or so later she's proven right...
@@rey_nemaattori In Sweden (my home country) she's been labelled a fascist, nazi, racist... you name it. It's an absolute outrage!
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Fear. Fear fear itself because fear can lead the mind of any person to create a monster out of the “other”
I am thankful that we in the west have allowed entry to everyone who seeks refuge from atrocity. This is love and trust in our Lord, even though we know that it opens us up to the possibility that someone harbouring evil purpose may also sneak in through the door that we have opened.
In fear we tremble in awe before the great power of our Lord and ask that His will be done, not ours. We ask because we trust in the Lord. God is love. If we live love, we live who He is.
@@Min-utiae That is so incredibly infantile!
So good to see John Anderson on the stage, what a great concept to bring to reality, thanks to all....
A man trying to reinvent himself as a public intellectual.
He's trite, superficial and pleases only the simple minded.
Yes great to hear John speak so glad we have him there with the rest of these incredible people
Where was he during COVID. Siding with the incompetence of Morrison, that's where. Shameful moral cowardice.
I really enjoyed Anderson but his use of the no vote for indigenous peoples in Australia cheapens his rhetoric. Whatever side of that vote you are on “realism” doesn’t lack empathy.
The one voice, the man who should be hear, who set out the 'Conflict of Visions' so clearly, is Dr Thomas Sowell. He saw so clearly 40 years ago where the current path will take us. Before he passes, it would be amazing if Dr Peterson and Mr Anderson would interview him.
@keiththomas1416....There needs to be a world day of recognition for Dr Thomas Sowell while he is still with us .
Personally, I have been depressed for years and seriously contemplated suicide multiple times in the last few months. Even though these videos obviously do not relate directly to my personal circumstances, I will say that I genuinely am filled with hope watching these discussions. I have been following Jordan for years and actually seeing this ARC form now, as a collaborative effort in a courageous and hopeful spirit, with all intellectual seriousness and in a manner that is aimed at getting actual people involved and connected, such that it could actually bear significant fruits in the future and have an impact on culture and politics, is getting me interested to see what the future will be like.
Even though I do not think I will be able to contribute to this project in any meaningful way, with not being able to successfully bear responsibility even for myself at the moment, I will definitely be rooting for you and hope this movement helps significantly address the problems that beset us now as a community and (western) civilization writ large, and pave the way to a bright and yet undiscovered an thus interestingly new future for everybody. Thank you so much to everyone who participates.
Thankyou for contributing to this discussion in the most meaningful way possible, by sharing your own thoughts and experiences. I sincerely hope you find friendship amongst those who understand your battles. God bless you.
I can identify with your disclosure of your personal issues. Thank you for taking the time to provide the insight. It helps to know that we are not alone with a struggling heart. I have battled depression for years and found out not long ago that the majority of it was based on poor nutrition. Started eating whole foods and extra supplements. No sugar or processed junk foods. I was deficient in many vitamins and minerals which caused inflammation throughout my body. I literally feel 20 years younger now after avoiding things that the government calls food. No medication was used. Yep... it was a difficult adjustment but completely worth it. Happy to be alive and healthy. Blessings and good wishes to you!
@@frozenpann Thank you so much for writing this. I am happy to hear that you got better and your comments about food are very interesting to me. I think I also might benefit a lot from taking a closer look at my nutrition (which at the moment includes absurd amounts of sugar, which I long suspected to have a negative impact), so thanks a lot for the comment. Also blessings and all the good going forward or you!
Have you watched Jordan Peterson’s interviews on microdozing magic mushrooms? Do it.
@@simonahrendt9069
Simon,
Your comments were moving, contributing and hopeful. DO NOT GIVE UP.
The earlier comment about WHOLE foods will transform your life. Specifically for me, modified Carnivore with a few select vegetables and fruits. I am 60, started not at all over-weight, but with almost no effort except a shift in mindset, I lost 30 LBS in a little over a month and returned to my 'natural peak weight' (which I believe is whatever you weighed in late HS to early college) and have maintained it WITH NO EFFORT for 1 1/2 years. I had all my blood work done a few month ago and the Dr. told me I have the health of a 25 year old (and I feel physically and mentally 25).
Sugar, Gluten/Starchy Vegetables/Bread and Vegetable Oils (which are in EVERY processed food) ARE POISON and the root cause of EVERY health epidemic facing modern society- Obesity, Cancer, Heart Disease Diabetes, Arthritis, Alzheimer's, Auto-Immune, etc. Goes without saying stopping consuming poison will benefit your life and will shift your mental well-being in the process.
Suggested Contributors to watch: Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Sten Eckberg, Dr. Berg, Tom Delauer, Paul Saladino.
Thank you for sharing your intellect and struggle. Makes you a Bad-ass. And after reading the other comment about Whole foods and your response 'you'll look into' it', I just had to underscore and double down on his point for you!
Trust me, it will TRANSFORM your life.
Read the comments section while consuming videos. They are that of 'miracles' and complete transformation.
And now you're next. I promise you.
5:54 AYAAN says "Now we know what evil looks like...It's not only the JEWISH BABIES that they (HAMAS) are beheading, they will behead your babies, Jewish or not, if you don't fit into THEIR story!"
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Hamas is homo
Her lack of distinctions really doesn't help. She's implicitly lumping Hamas and Muslims (including those living in Europe) together, as if people demonstrating for Palestine in the West are exactly the same as Hamas terrorists in Gaza. She starts the conversation by virtue signaling on behalf of Israel, relies on a victimhood narrative and is entirely one-sided in her views. Not sure she's really helping, to be honest, seems like she has a chip on her shoulder and a niche perspective on a subset of Muslims that shouldn't be applied wholesale. Either that, or she needs to start making some proper distinctions, rather than invoking negative emotions and implicitly associating them with everything Islamic/Muslim.
I don't like toxic feminine strategies when used by the progressive left (guilt by association, victimhood narrative, poisoning the environment rather than attacking the target directly, etc), but not by my own side either.
Other than that, she's a smart lady, so I just kind of expected more from her than partisanship, punditry and demagoguery.
*Edit: I did like the bit about seed packets at the end :).
@@PeeGee85 I think your comments are very important. It's a bad time, when emotions are running high, for anyone - even someone as brave and inspiring as Ali - to start by saying "I support Israel", as if by implication the opposite also applies - when people could interpret "the opposite" as meaning "I support Palestinians" rather than I support Hamas", who are a malevolent subset of Muslims. Or indeed as if Western demonstrators, even young and stupid ones failing to understand they are encouraging the evil of anti-semitism, are equivalent to terrorists by trying (inadequately) to point out that the Palestinians have a background and a story and an entitlement to human rights, and to have their viewpoint expressed, heard, and negotiated about. As John Anderson said in this, the line between good and evil runs through every human heart - which includes Jewish hearts and Muslim hearts. (I think incidentally that Ali does not understand Nietzsche, but I'm certainly not claiming that I do as most people don't understand Nietzsche. They could get a bit of a better idea about Nietzsche, if interested, by listening to Jordan Peterson when he mentions him in his lectures, and perhaps by reading John Richardson on Nietzsche. And from Brett Andersen, when he isn't in the tragically unfortunate situation of one of his mental breakdown phases, as his sane stuff is brilliant.)
@PeeGee85 that's her experience. No one can take that away from her. I don't think she's lumping Muslims in with Hamas, but is discouraged by the support for evil terrorism from anyone. Some of my family identify with Palestine even though they are American born and march for the support for Hamas actions. They forget their Christian morals and values especially when our ancestors were beheaded by the same type of evil spirit. It's weird and sad.
Dr. Peterson is such a wonderful, brilliant, leader bringing other brilliant, inspiring, leaders together to bring hope through biblical guidance. ❤ God bless all of you for leading the way!
Do you not listen to the multitudinous critics who pick apart Peterson's frequent errors?
He loves the sound of his own voice and taking an hour, using every word in the dictionary, to answer a question..........
“Woke Culture”, ESG are the instruments of capture power by the corporate and bureaucratic oligarchy. The movement of anti-globalists, "Occupy Wall Street" - where are they? Do you really think that a bunch of woke freaks can intimidate corporations and government?! Cultural wars are a distraction of attention from the main thing! The bait of attention is the main trick of crooks, magicians and manipulators.
Canada is secular. The bible, or any other religion, should not be above others.
If he says God or transcendent enough times he'll fool enough Christians to keep his pockets permanently lined by the time they figure out that he is not and will not ever be a Christian. It's also highly likely they simply don't care and the grift is validating.
Listening to these people speak , restores my faith in humanity. These are the people that need to educate our young people. In fact all of us.
Yes our children's education begins with us their parents and grandparents.
Any conversation that Jordan has it is 100% worth listening to.
In a dark world there are always pinpricks of light. Thank you all for putting your candle in the window 🥰
I love these 4 people. JP leads the conversation expertly. Ayaan is always so insightful, certainly for me as a white Australian. John Anderson is a great Australian role model and example. Os I am not familiar with, but I found him to be the most potent and thought provoking, great to be exposed to him I'm hoping my rural bookshop has some if his work 🤞
Guiness' 1973 "Dust of Death" is tremendous and highly-recommended.
Where was John Anderson during COVID? Siding with the incompetence of Morrison, that's where. Shameful moral cowardice.
Os Guinness' recent 'Signals of Transcendence'.
Excellent discussion! Especially appreciate Ayaan's insights and experience with which I concur as a woman who was not born into Western culture.
One person can change the world…… I’m In!!
I have one life to live and I am going to throw it away. Either to hedonistic pleasures or as a “sacrifice” to God and I would much rather pick up the very thing that will kill me and carry it as far as I can (My Cross) than live a mediocre pointless life. As the story of Lot goes, it only takes 10 righteous people to save a city. Consider me in too!
The world is constantly changing (it's NEVER actually the same twice) and each of us is necessarily a part of the world at large. So while you certainly CAN change the world, you're missing a deeper truth....
....that you already DO.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a beacon of hope, always has been. This woman can understand what is moral.
This was my introduction to Ayaan and I hope too find a path to reading her.
@@johnsmith7345 Her story is inspiring .
@johnsmith7345 I knew her from a debate she was in with Jonathan Heidt some years ago.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
@@johnsmith7345 She told Dutch TV she lied to get asylum. ua-cam.com/video/QRy_fA_Qv-k/v-deo.html
Os just said it perfectly, we are living in a world breathing it last breaths, God help our children
Isn't it interesting that you say "God help our children" as though that's the last resort. God should be our FIRST resort. Teach your children about God. Tell them to pray. Teach them the command of Jesus "As I have loved you, love one another. People will know you are my disciples if you love one another." Read 1st Corinthians chapter 13 to them, so they understand what that love is. Plant those seeds, water, protect and FIGHT for their survival. Fight against the flood of lies and corruption. Teach them that Jesus is our ark, and if they enter the ark they will be saved from the flood. Your children may surprise you. They can have more strength than perhaps you realize.
@@markd3250 This is the new ARC that’ll save you. The word isn’t a coincidence. Zionism seems very evident within the movement.
I have enjoyed this Panel discussion, very much. Plant the Seeds with Others. Pass them on !!
Great to see ARC in action.
Super grateful.
Thankyou all.
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Yes so important to tell our children their history . Our story
Ayann is one of the most inspirational people on contemporary earth. It's a miracle she made it to freedom. She may be regarded as a prophet in the future.
‘ All souls are equal in the eyes of heaven’ I like that
9:32 Outstanding and worth a listen more than once
33:40 I've always loved Os Guiness' ability to turn a phrase... "Contrast is the mother of clarity" is one of his best.
Sounds like something from Abraham Hicks 😆
Clearly! ☺
Who defines those choices of contrast? You and I? Or them? Isn’t that what Democracy gives us?
This right here is a wonderful demonstration of the value of free speech. An expression of these Ideas in beautiful clarity. Thanks.
Really? That’s what you took from this?
@@bobbyd5167 Some of it, how about you?
I don't feel the free speech part, as two of my comments are removed from UA-cam...!
Is free speech the desire to dismantle and ridicule Woke ideology replacing it with another dubious one, hubris, or having the common sense to see good in all alternatives, humility.
So uplifting to hear the ideas expressed and the positive and optimistic nature of ARC. As an Aussie, I absolutely loved John Anderson's input and could relate so easily.
👍👍"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind..." M.K.Gandhi
Eye for an eye was about equality before the law, unlike the code of Hammurabi that punished offenders based on who they were and who the victim was. The punishment for a crime should fit the crime, not favor the powerful.
@@jshtux I guess you mean powerful in social connections, not in the ability to persuade. For example, mitigating circumstances, and leniency on the grounds of personal capacity or naivety are constant variables in crime and punishment. There is no " all equal under one ". Also, the claim that " the punishment fits the crime " is the very devil when in the wrong hands.
"seed them, grown them, water them, nurture them, and when they are attacked . . . defend them!" what a GREAT comment. Thank you Ayaan Hirsi Ali, thank you all.
We need more erudite and exceptionally courageous, outspoken people like John Anderson to represent the Australian people and policy.
John hit the nail on the head. If there is no God above the state, then the state becomes god.
So which god should be above the state?
@@frijolero6048 In Western Civilization? You already know the answer.
@@angusmacangus3181 I live in Canada. Many religions are practiced here. Islam? Sihkism? Hinduism? Christianity? Buhddism? Which one should be above the state?
@@frijolero6048 Western Civilization historically speaking comes from the Judeo-Christian tradition, which is its religious heritage.
@@angusmacangus3181 Ok, but here in North America there have always been different religions, including the indigenous beliefs that have been marginalized. Today, Canada is multicultural with numerous faiths. I don't think the Judeo-Christian faith should be dominant in Canada given our contemporary demographic.
Great discussion among great minds.
I have shared this with my children and friends ! Such a contrast compared to the depressing nonsense spewed out of the media and so called learning institutions today !
You could share a few $$$ with me and help me avoid hunger and homelessness for a month.
This is the media spawning out content. It’s depressing nonsense if you’re attuned to the media and learning institutions you detest. It isn’t going to unite, it’s just adding another divide, which empowers the State. Divide and conquer. That’s the narrative in play. It’s who and why.
This was FANTASTIC. Ayaan, John and Jordan were their usual brilliant selves, but being a long-time fan of Os (and having met him in Cairo in 2006), I think I invited him into my heart tonight.
Thank you Ayaan for having the courage and sense of taking a stand for a distinction between right and wrong and or good and evil not like some that try to b.s intellectualise a simple truth!!!
no such things as good and evil only individual autonomy and what restricts indiavidual autonomy
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Right and wrong, good and evil, are constructs. Whoever defines them rules. They’re not simple truths. Philosophy needs a resurgence so this multiplicity of nonsense ideologies ends. That’s critical thinking and the ability to be cynical, skeptical, and question all. From that complex universal truths emerge.
I’m beyond excited to see this movement happening
Awesome, these are the people that still give hope to the world 🌎 🙏 👏 👍...
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Absolutely brilliant! I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you’ve all discussed and I’m pleased it’s finally getting said and hopefully worked on. Wonderful 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Hi Wendy, any chance of helping a random stranger in need out of your kindness?
That end absolutely killed me .. left me speechless.. with tears in the corneras of the eyes ..
So glad to hear from a Muslim who left that faith confirmed what it has alway said about Islam and I have read a few gaslight denying it.
This is SO needed as it’s placed in the right context and is Truth, we need this now more than ever.
What is your 'Truth'?
@@frijolero6048 I should have said ‘to me’ as I don’t assume to speak for all! But it is a worthy discussion and spoke to me. X
“If there’s no truth, everything is power.”
I don't know what you think this means, but it doesn't make any sense. Friedrich Nietzsche said the ultimate will to power is philosophy. 'Truth' is really an ambiguous word without much meaning unless you qualify what you mean by it. Your statement is idiotic.
This is WONDERFUL! At last. Sharing with everyone is essential.
‘Contrast is the mother of clarity’ - Os Guinness 🙏🏻
Ayaan, Hitchens views on what today looks like would be pure gold. I would so love to hear them!
"Contrast is the mother of clarity." Coming from an immigrant family. I can fully compare our native country and the USA. I'm beyond appreciative and blessed for the opportunity, growth and safety this beautiful country has given us. This new WOKE generation is entitled and blind. They have no understanding and lack gratitude towards what this country is to it's citizens and the rest of the nations. They have shelter, food, opportunity democracy, justice...SMH while many others will NEVER experience that.
Incredibly insightful panel-the path forward is here, all we need to do is take action against these self evident truths👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Ayaan's closing remarks are so good - 48:37
Oz stated the West is like a cut flower, beautiful with no roots, doomed to die. Ayaan said this is true, but what we do have is seed packets - in libraries, in wise people, in statues, etc; remnants of our best achievements/ideas, to plant, water, nurture, propogate and protect.
So good.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Excellent talk, thank you all for your efforts for all people. Thank you.
I think it's wonderful that JBP has made these people known to many.
I am hoping these videos gain traction.
Total suppression happening to this channel. Loving the vibe here.
I'm betting YT is suppressing this channel
Yes, they are definitely suppressing and hiding this channel. A video with Jordan Peterson and only Ayaan Hirsi Ali and only 500 views after one hour - I've never seen something like this before! They should also post this on other platforms like Rumble and the like.
Why?
@mrwoodward273 - Came up at the top of my home page.
So far, so good, for me. I'm surprised how much has been released! A good volley against the WEF!
Careful that could be considered hate speech
I’ve bin awaiting the opening of the ARC,this is exciting!
Ayaan's comments from 2:10 to 7:30, especially from 6:40, are key. True, clever and concise. Thanks for the great content.
Agreed Ayaan Hirsi Ali is so clear. I hope many take note.
@@Joe-sg9ll and you just dont care do you ! Shame shame
So you agree with her that all people who attend a pro-Palestine march are siding with evil?
If so please explain why this viewpoint is justified...
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
@@dreinhard52 Weird , I don't even see a comment of Joe...
It’s refreshing to listen to well informed intelligent people …great minds..I wish our youth would listen to this .Not to the Neo Marxist demagogues 👍📚🙏
What an inspiring talk - commenting and sharing so it will hopefully make millions stand together in a new hope for the future
Complexity thinking against bold, blind and ugly binary thinking, that’s 21st century challenge.
Actually, the challenge is to reconcile the tolerating intolerance conundrum. Soon we will need to decide whether to fight Islam which will require our society to give up some of those virtues discussed, for at least a period of time, to eliminate the threat. There is no peaceful resolution with Islam, nor is there a way to retain the ideal of freedom when violently taking away from another, although justified.
We've heard Conservative pundits pointing out the dangers to the West for a decade. We've heard what they believe should be protected. What we haven't heard from them is how to achieve this other than, "We need to talk more about it". Sorry that won't stop the spread of Islam or the neo-marxists.
This was in no way complex? & I would even argue that JP’s attempts to pushback on a few statements made here were responded to with either some fable or other OR as ‘Churchill’ once said, or whilst out with Tom dick and Harry ‘they said’
Blah blah blah.
The wisdom of the elderly is just the memories of the mistakes and what doesn't work. Listening to them can save you a lot of troubles.
“Freedom is not the permission to do what you like, it is the power to do what you ought.” ~ Lord Acton
"true power is someone who can turn an enemy into a friend"
Thank you for having Ayaan on your panel.
The Western Story began in the Holy Land.
No it didn’t. Know your history.
@nonfictionone, where did the West start? It's my understanding the West is Christendom, meaning, New Testament Israel. However, Jewry no more represents Old Testament Israel than Roman Catholicism and Protestantism represent New Testament Christianity. It's rather challenging to get to the truth.
@@catherinecastle8576 The West is not christendom. christendom happened in the west, and other places. The west existed long before christendom and will exist long afterwards. History is littered with religions. They come and go. The middle east is not islam. Islam happened there, and will die and be replaced.
Then why do we have BC and it’s rich history of the West, which is, after all, geographical, not ideological.
@@brynleytalbot778 because christianity became the dominant religion. So we use BC/AD. Christian holy days were laid over the top of pagan festivals, because Constantine could not stop people celebrating these ancient rituals. MANY religions have come and gone. Id you were born in the different time, you would have a different religion. That should tell you all you need to know. Indeed if you were born in a different place today, you would have a different religion. And The West is now an ideology, not a physical place.
Next video to watch is James Lindsay's 28 min talk at the European Parliament. Best summation of the Woke cultural revolution in the West.
Jordan Peterson is writing History as we go. He chose to transform and migliorate the current state of affairs, instead of only philosophizing about it. 👏👏Bravo
This is the first time I've seen the right actually talk about coming up with real solutions rather than bitching about what the left is doing.
Thanks to all involved it's a start of the blank
great conversation!
Contrast is the mother of clarity. Listening to four well-meaning, articulate, historically versed, visionary, courageously outspoken and never loosing sight of a given transcendent truth. Thank you for the contrast you manifest to so many evil, dark, enslaving, and obscure opnions we are forcefed by media and education. Thank you.
Wonderful! I have a new, brighter understanding of our role in the world. Thank you all so much!
I’m delighted to hear all of you coming to and showing everyone that we still have options. I’ve was so fortunate to have a brilliant story tell for a Dad he was a man that lived an amazing life and he was intelligent man. He spent most of my childhood operating a shearing business in the north west of Western Australia. He wrote a book but sadly it was never published. He spoke often of living in this harsh part of australia. I have never stepped foot north of sharks bay until four years ago, I now live in the mining town of Wickham and very few people even know the this part of the country was sheep country and the value this land was built on the back of a sheep.
The Dichotomy suit. Dr. Jordan Peterson considered the choice this morning. :) Jordan, you are are fine man.
Been following Ayala (sp) since I read her book Infidel. She has an incredible story and is the bravest woman alive. She risks her life every time she speaks God Bless her and the whole panel!
So very Powerful. Compleat common sense. This video needs to be shared and replayed everywhere.
Magnificent
Thankful for this greatly needed movement of Truth
As someone who would be considered an atheist (agnostic at best), I appreciate all of you guys and what you stand for. I don’t share any of your beliefs and I also don’t think they’re necessary for your arguments but I appreciate you none the less. I especially love listening to Jordan and John (I am Australian, John is fantastic) Keep up the great work!
Cheers
Wow! I am blown away! Thank-you Lady and Gentlemen. What a panel. 🧐🧐🧐❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏
John Anderson is the best.
Lovely people but naturally just love John Anderson.
Ayaan, is such an inspiration! She's taken on so much risk to give her children a better life than she had. This is my dream. All the speakers were wonderful, but Ayaan has street cred that slays!
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
I can’t wait to see more. ❤
Always a true gift from God. I pray for more God given wisdom for our leaders. Peterson is one of my favorite people on this planet. Please share these videos.
Freedom is not given, it is taken!
Beautiful. Specially Ayaan's words. Thank you. We too are seeds. Let us speak. 💚
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Brilliant conversation. Thank you!
Recasting the true narratives of civilisation in the wisdom of the best of the best is what we hope for. So to be able to purify ourselves of the corruption that has taken over the great ideas.
Ah, yes, let's serve the elites! We, the ordinary people, must accept our fate and responsibility to serve the elites of the ARC because they are wise and the rest of us are stupid.
@@vivienneb6199Thank you for revealing your cognitive dissonance.
@@ross2812 What would that be? Do tell me.
To Ayan: it warmed my heart to hear you describe yourself as a Christian! For years I prayed for you and I will continue to pray for your continued journey!
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
Mr. Anderson; I appreciate your Anderson tartan tie. I too have one as I have Scottish ancestry for clan Anderson.
Marvelous speaker in Ayaan. Inspirational.
On Nov. 13, 2023 Ayaan Hirsi Ali published her article on the unherd website 'Why I am now a Christian.'
What a great conversation! Thank you all!
"if society abandons religion, it doesn't really become secular. It just starts investing in other things. The question is if those other things, are actually doing a good job of filling the void". Quote that I probably got from Peterson 🤔👌
Thank you Dr. Peterson and all the panelist for making The ARC possible.
What Ayaan Hirsi said was so true. Hamaz ran Gaza like a death cult.
Who funded hamas again?
Oh, that's right. Netanyahu did.
Why was there a need to create Hamas in the first place?