The Epic Showdown: Sony A7C II vs A7C
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:02 Side-BySide
2:15 Low Lowlight
4:06 S-log 3 on 8-Bit Cameras
4:53 Advantages of the A7C II
6:42 Stabilization / Vlogging
14:48 Conclusion
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Another amazing and totally logical presentation with quirky humour thrown in as well!! Love it! 📷
Amazing work Mark, the ending is legendary... when i thought about... leaving your channel *****, smart & happy man we have here! LOVE IT!
Thanks for these reviews. Great info. Been watching all your recent reviews and helping my decision to go for the A7C ii!
Same.
Just what I was waiting for! a7c lowlight is still amazing...
Comparing image quality is like shopping for TVs. You can see which one is better on a side by side comparison. However, once you get it home it’s doesn’t really matter. I haven’t been excited about any new Sony bodies that have came out. I have the Sony a73 and a7r3. I love your reviews because they’re honest and not pushing us to the new cameras.
It's true - side-by-side shows differences - but no one will know the difference when the whole shot is just one camera
Hey Mark, I just got my Sony a7cii, and I noticed PP 7-9 are missing, but I am still able to customize a PP to Slog 3.
Is there any difference between customizing a PP to slog 3 vs the “log shooting/flexible iso mode”?
Or are they identical?
When I compared the two when utilizing zebras, the custom slog3 PP clips truly at lower limit 94 (which is historically accurate for slog 3), however when I utilize zebras on “log shooting mode” they clip beyond 94 and around 100 ire. So does log shooting have more dynamic range?
Are they both considered slog 3 or should is one more advantageous than the other?
There shouldn’t be any difference customizing a PP to S-Log3 vs Log Shooting. But there are some quirks like the one you noticed. Also, Gerald noticed that if you use flexible iso mode you can’t output 4k to a monitor but if you custom a PP you can. We told the Sony engineers and they’re aware there are these weird discrepancies between customizing a PP and using flexible iso. They say they’re working on it 😀 I should try to do a video on it
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis hey mark thanks for the info, while I have your attention, do you have any idea when raw images files will be compatible for apple photos/Lightroom? If no specific, date, would do you believe is the average length of time for raw to become widely compatible?
don’t know - Lightroom does what it wants. but it is usually 1-3 months. Of you use Sony’s Desktop Imaging Edge, you can edit the Raw photos now
Love your videos, I got my first mirrorless camera on the way and chose this a7CII.
Hi Mark, I got delivery on the A7c II, and I couldn't be happier with the upgrade. The pix I shot in Log3 are stunning. The image stabilization is light years ahead of the older A7c. The brightness and image quality of the EVF and the touch controls are very much appreciated also. All in all, Sony has done a great job with this camera. Thanks for your guidance.
you take pictures with slog 3? does that work alright?
It does require some post processing to really get the best out of the footage, but in the end I think it's worth it.@@TrueGaxArtz
Very good and complete comparison.
The man did it. I'm now excited for the A7C vs A7Cii vs A7Ciii sequel video.
On the way
Always look forward to your entertaining comparison videos. I do think you should have named your channel Mark Bennett’s camera obsession though 😂. I have the A7c and A7iv, so will probably just stick with those. All these fantastic looking new Sony cameras sure test my willpower 😅
I considered that title
I like your sense of humor 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. You got a new subscriber. Btw I have just upgraded my a7c to the a7cR and been using it a few days already.
Awesome! Thank you!
Many thanks for this review :) Igot my AC7 II just today and shot a Youth Church Service a few hours ago, fantastic pictures.
Do you have any social media or any way to view the photos ? I am in youth ministry myself and would love to see.
don't need another camera but I just love watching your videos very entertaining ! p.s still waiting for your setting for the sony fx30 please
yes - have to get on that one!!
First, I have recently found your channel and really enjoy watching your content. Second, one thing I think a lot of people miss is the touch tracking in video. Can you make a video about that. I remember when I bought the A7C I was excited about the touch tracking in video but found out after that it was only in 1080. I would like to see what resolutions and frame rates the touch tracking in video is on the A7CII. Thanks again!
you can do the touch tracking in all modes on the a7c ii
I would love a comparison of the a7c ii and the Fx3
Great video, I just got a used A7C for 1,000 with 2,500 shutter count, so half priced. It is not new but…. I appreciate your vantage on the what you get price point. Thank you.
great deal!!
Mark please make a comparison between A6700 and Canon R7 cuz they both at similar price
does the sony a7cii heat up and shut down when recording at 4k60fps?
Nope - it's as solid as a rock
I haven't seen any video showing this.@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis
Have you tried pushing the 8bit footage just to see and understand how long until it falls apart, how it falls apart and how drastically it falls apart, as compared to 10bit 422. very curious to see just how big the difference is between 8 bit and 10 bit, and how bad you have to fuck up to to be uncorrectable. Thanks!
Sold my a74 to get the a7cii not a professional so dont need the 2 card slots and other pro features. What i do care about the most is form factor, the smaller form factor is a big plus and the smarter A.I autofocus because im always on the go filming my family. So smaller and smarter works best for me.
Best comparison yet 👏 However how would I get the best from the improved AI AF with both a host and guest in frame for my video podcast?
It’s best to set the aperture at f5.6 or even f8 if they aren’t sitting in a straight line if you have two people in the shot. If you want both people with a lot of background blur, you’ll need two cameras so each camera can get shallow depth of field on each person
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis that’s what I thought and I have the fx6 and A7s3 working well for separate blurry backgrounds on each person so will get the A7CII with 24mm lens for the two person shot at f5.6-8 as you advise :)
I have an A7C and I was waiting for the new version to change my camera, as it doesn't do 4k60, but although the new A7CII comes with 4k60, they put it with a 1.5x crop.
WHY?!
We know that on a 33MPX sensor, it would generate a higher roller shutter, but we could have the option when using the camera in a static scene. The camera do 4k30 without this crop.
I miss when I used Canon cameras and could use Magic Lantern to overcome these imposed limitations.
It's clear that Sony does this to lock down features on certain lines of cameras.
The A7CII could be perfect for me if there wasn't this 1.5 crop in 4k60.
It would be nice to have the option of full frame 4k60 even if it was softer and had worse rolling shutter
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Hey Mark, i hope you're doing great! Again a question please.
What's your top choice out of all these for streaming _and_ photography? The 2k price-range, not talking about A7RV etc.
A7iii ... A7IV? - Needs to have a remote option either over phone app or remote controller and a seeker for taking pics normally!!!
And for stream lens choice 24/28mm? It's stream with a lot motion, not sitting at a desk.
Thank you!!!
I like the A7IV with the 24mm GM. But if you wanted to stream 4k30 usbc with no capture card, the A7Cii can do that
Thanks for the comparison Mark. Honestly, I like the video quality of the OG much better. Guess I'll keep mine and skip the "upgrade".
if it ain’t broke…
I just made a huge move. All my Panasonic and Nikon gear is going. A7Cii with a few lenses is coming. Am I able to open the A7Cii RAW files on my Macbook Pro? Any tips/advice would be so helpful. Thanks. Or just a link anywhere I can learn more about processing Sony RAW files. Google is not really telling me what I need to know....
Get the free Sony Imaging Edge Desktop software and you’ll be able to open your raw files. You’ll be able to use programs like Lightroom as well when supported
Hey Mark! I hope you're doing well. I'm a big fan of your comparison reviews, and I was wondering if you have any plans to do a comparison between the A7CR and A7R V. Your attention to detail is unmatched, and I know that you never miss any important points. It would be incredibly helpful to see your insights on these two cameras side by side. Keep up the fantastic work!
yes - need to do that one!!
very detailed
great sharing 👍👍
I am currently with A74, but would take A7CII as well
same here
I just bought my A7 IV in July and am over the return threshold. Would have been great to enter the market and bought the A7C II if I would have waited a few months but I’m not returning it, as I think its a fine piece of engineering.
I preordered the A7Cii, then canceled, and bought a A7c and 4 lenses (24mm G, 40mm G, 75mm, and 50mm) for the same price. For me this was a much more reasonable as I'm primarily a photographer. I'll probably upgrade to the A7Cii when I can find a used one down the line.
Great decision in my opinion
I don’t understand how did you get 4 lenses can you explain please
@@husseinaliabdulzahraal-dul1575 sure. I bought each lens separately and second hand.
How the $700 difference can get you 4 lenses? 2 G lenses alone cost more than $1000.
@@redsox7897 I bought everything used. The A7Cii was going to cost $2300 with tax. I bought the A7C body for $1100, 24mm G for $400, 40mm G $400, TTA 50mm $150, Samyang 75mm $200.
In sony zv e10 which one is the best oprion for the white balance (auto or custom)? If custom then plz guide how to set for bttr quality
Usually it's best to manually white balance - but if you are outside - just use daylight balance. Auto can be fine, but you will see the white balance changing as the light changes
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis mostly i shoot indoors so can u plz suggest a good settings for that
Great comparison & review. But you missed Side by side Image comparison 33mp vs 24 mp.
people don't understand that to do Slog 3 you need controlled light to control the exposure on the camera otherwise it's dead you can't shoot in a street where the light varies in slog 3, in short the A7C II is better but the A7C is not bad we can produce marvels in HLG, the proof on the video we see the guy produce super good quality in 8bit because the light is controlled which says controlled light says perfect exposure.
If A7cii is telling us about the next A7v, I'm excited!
I got the a7c. I like it a lot, but if I upgrade will probably get the A7iv ised for around $1800 to $1900
The A7C is truly still impressive but man that Version II though.
Yeah, but does it make you want to drop another $2200-$2400(tax)? I think most of the upgrades are “nice to haves”. Me, I like the 7 stops of Ibis over 5-stops but is that worth the price tag if you just bought a newer camera before this one came out? I’m keeping my gimbal and looking for a used A7C that should be on discount now with the new thing out.
@@Cthames123 Understood, I am not a potential buyer. I have three Lumix S5'S but can appreciate an improved A7IV in an A7C body. Also, I support and watch Mark.
@@BarryJohnson if only everyone was like Barry!!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis LOL Mark! Keep killin' it Sir. More are on the way for sure.
Thank you for review. Does a7c II got standart / general time-lapse mode in photo mode when in makes individual photo ant set interval?
I have the A7C. It is a fine camera in a nice travel size. I was hoping to sell it to help pay for the upgrade but the resell price I can get plus the extra cost of the A7C II have me just hanging on to the A7C as a backup instead. I actually decided to go all the way to the A7R V and then I may consider getting the A7C II as a main travel camera at some point (or the successor). Before that, I want the Sony 200-600 plus a teleconverter.
I exchanged my a6400+sigma16mm for an a7c and I love it, now I’m just waiting for Black Friday buy the sigma 28-70 what do you think about that combo ?
a killer combo for sure. I love that Sigma lens
i am new here, please let me know the which time we usually get the best deal on camera or lens??
i wanna buy 24mm GM lens mainly because i will do many low light stuffs on my trips and i prefer prime. But the lack of mechanical shutter on A7C is worrying me because the LED light banding issue if i take street photos and there are lights like that which will cause banding. I am gonna buy used A7c within $1000
The A7C has a full mechanical shutter.
👏🏻
was going to get the A7cii but bought the GX9 instead., for that kind of money it should have been a 40mp sensor
I have the Sony a7ii. Would the a7c ii be a good upgrade?? Im not fussed about video, I mainly take photos
it would be yes. but if it’s mainly photos I would do the A7iv
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis thanks! So many cameras it gets so confusing 🙄
Any 16-35 gm ii review soon?
yes - have to get on that. but basically - it’s pretty perfect. I’m going to buy one in January (next tax season lol)
I bought a used a7c (800 clicks) for $1100. I really want the a7cii or ZV-E1 but might need to look for a deal. Did you do an a7cii vs ZV-E1 comparison yet? LOL
I did do that comparison, of course!!
2:34 why the wall on the right are so different. Which one are more correct?
My garage was painted in between tests. 🤣
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis omg that's hilarious, the right time to paint the wall are between test 😂
Hey Mark, I'm torn between two cameras: A7Cii and the ZV-E1. I'm a hybrid shooter, and I'm wondering which is the biggest downside of each camera. ZV-E1 photos only 12 megapixel, or A7Cii a huge crop in 4K60, which I have to adapt the lenses to.
Which one is easier to deal with in your honored opinion? Which one would you choose?
if you do a lot of photography and you don’t need 4k120, think the A7Cii is the way to go. You get used to the 4k60 (if you wanna switch back and forth between 4k60 and 4k24 you can just shoot video in apsc crop mode on 4k24 and then the same lens can switch with no difference). They can both work, but the zv-e1 s really more of a video camera and it specializes in being able to use dual iso at 12,800 iso for lowlight and doing 4k120. but it’s not great for photos without that viewfinder or mechanical shutter and it overheats in certain situations.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Is the electronic shutter on the ZV-E1 a problem with banding and flickering? I ask, because the sensor is pretty fast, shouldnt be as bad as it is usally with electronic shutter, or?
I always shoot in 4k 60p, so im really not shure how I will get around with that crop indoors on the A7Cii. I never shoot in 24p or 30p. My eyes got used to that 60p look, hard to go back to 30p.
And cameras with a slow sensor readout tend to look jittery with panning. The rolling shutter does not annoy me, but jittery and shakey footage.
Would you get used to thr ZV-E1 limitations in photo if you would own only this camera? Or is it to annoying?
Im leaning towards the ZV E1 because Im more into videography. But sometimes its also important to take some pictures. 12mpx is fine, but man... that LED banding would be horror.
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the zv-e1 does have an anti-flicker function, but you may still see banding under house lights depending on the situation. Also, if you’re shooting a lot of 4K60, the zv-e1 will likely overheat after a while (probably 30 mins). The rolling shutter is much better on the zv-e1. The ZV-E1 can still take great photos. It sounds like you should at least try the zv-e1 and see if it works for you. but maybe get it from a place you can return it in case you run into issues like Amazon geni.us/SnyFav or Adorama howl.me/clmx7UwYEEI
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A6700 or ZVE1 to pair with the Sony a7iv?
I would do zv-e1.
Low light well sam
where is pp8 on the A7cii??
they took them out because they were the log profiles. So now you have to switch it into log
I am looking at a A7C at 1250$ used with 28-60mm, could afford the 2500$ a7c II with Kit but starting back in the video/photo field, may be overk*ll for me but Gosh the tech is amazing + Also looking at the Sony ZV-E1, in rush no, in no way.
Yep, skin tones look a lot better without those orange hues on A7C.
Is there overheating as in a7iv?
Most people do not experience overheating with the A7IV if internal temp is set to high. But there’s always a possibility depending on your environment
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis meant in a7cii
First! thank you, Mark 😅
The ACII seems a bit better in low light.
They were shot at different times so it’s not exact - but safe to say they’re pretty close
And What about Battery Difference 🔋?
They take the same battery and you will get similar run -times out if the cameras.
The gap is way bigger now it's more like £700 gap... my local camera shop has A7C at £1600 & A7C2 at £2,300
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Great comparison video.
Three words. Solid....State....Drive.
Sony has been pumping out some impressive cameras this year. But, the one thing - as a filmmaker - that has impressed me a wee bit more is Panasonic. They dropped the G9ii which apparently has the best PDAF to date. But, the G9ii can also record ProRes HQ to an external SSD. Just like the S5iix. Having owned the BMPCC4K, which records to an external SSD as well, I am really drawn to such features. Recording to an external drive is a very impressive - and powerful - feature to have in a video camera.
I'm not letting go of my FX30. It still punches WAY above its price point more than a lot of other cameras. But, Sony would be missing out on another demographic if they don't develop cameras that can record to an SSD. I know the newest cameras Sony has been putting out have concentrated on "content creators". And Sony has done a damn good job of adding high tech to their cameras. Like the AI assisted AF. But, Panasonic is no slouch for adding SSD support. I really hope Sony includes recording to SSDs in the future. They could really pump up their market share by adding such tech to their newer cameras.
“Don’t expose yourself to anyone” 😂
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a7c with kit lens, $1200 i found used:))))
wow - Nice!!
... not with that loud shutter ....
Just paid £1299 and with £200 cashback making it £1099 (silver body) in uk and that's new from Sony
great deal!!
It's called a frog in your throat because, if you don't clear it you might croak.
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good list but you should show these items and not just your face all the time….
Why do you ruin your UA-cam videos by shooting at 24fps? Who do you know who has a 24 or 48Hz monitor? No one. 1080p60 and 4K60 are the standard, and 24fps gets converted by UA-cam top 30fps, and it just looks stuttery and bad. There is nothing about 24fps that looks cinematic, film used to be expensive and RAW takes up a lot of space, that's it.
Most modern screens, whether TV’s or monitors, have plenty of processing power and response time to correct the telecine judder for any interpolation needed even if the refresh rate is not 120hz. I don’t like the look of 30fps personally, and most peoples monitors or TV’s never show any stutter these days. But I will take this into consideration seeing as it does affect some people.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis But if UA-cam is going to automatically convert p24 to p30, then what is the point of recording in p24? You're not recording raw or recording film so it's best to use the target frame rate. You're only fooling yourself, once you see the p24-to-p30 jitter you can't unsee it.
there is still a different look to the footage when UA-cam exports to 30 from 24 vs straight 30. check out Jeven Dovey’s video - he has a link to the same video shot in 24 and then in 30 to see the difference. He, like you, prefers the 30 because of he smoothness. I still liked the 24 better 🤷♂️
24p vid ua-cam.com/video/hm5_t3s-SPc/v-deo.html
30p vid ua-cam.com/video/jfwilcI5bdE/v-deo.html
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Yeah, the p24 video looks jerky. Look at the scene where the camera pans the landscape with the house. It's noticeably jerking. p24 only works right when converted from p24 to p60, but not p24 to p30. The frame timestamps don't like up right.