Hi Shane, Nice video. One correction on the 603 that is not a trap oxidizer that is a replacement pipe that Mercedes came up with to replace the trap oxidizer. The TO was moved to below the car. In fact, for a time (may still be available), if you still had a car with TO, Mercedes will replace the turbo, exhaust system and the TO with this pipe configuration for free. I had mine done in 2010.
Great video! A definite in-depth view of the different engines. I used to own a 77 240D. Then I still have my 92 300 2.5. turbo. Unfortunately I was driving and it started pouring white smoke and a very bad knock?. I'll be trying to figure my DIY repairs this spring. I'm very happy to hear that you build injection pumps. Hopefully I'll be able to get one?
Nice general overview of these series of engines. The six cylinder engines are naturally balanced and should run smoother that would be their main advantage. The change to a cross flow cylinder head is not that big of a deal with a low RPM diesel engine design compared to a high revving naturally aspirated gasoline engine design because the engine is not being power limited by airflow usually. If your trying to hot rod one of these engines the cross flow design might become more useful though. I don't like turbo charged gasoline engines because in my way of thinking you could just put in a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine and get the same power with less complicated plumbing and expense and heat under the hood, however in a diesel engine I will concede that a turbo is nearly essential just due to the fuel itself being higher in calorific value it needs the extra oxygen to burn the fuel efficiently or else you tend to get black smoke out the exhaust and less power than you would expect for a given displacement because you'd have to use a shorter injection stroke on a naturally aspirated one or smaller injector pistons to get the right fuel air mixture. A turbo basically increases the displacement of an engine in a way because the turbo adds a lot more air pressure and flow than an equivalent non turbo one I am not sure how the little 2.5 L made just as much power as the 3.0L one though I don't think it is just in the cross flow cylinder head design but I don't really know Mercedes diesel engines well enough to make an informed guess but I would assume there is a better camshaft profile to go along with the revised cross flow head design. Also I don't like turbo charged gasoline engines because the added power puts more stress on the engine parts compared to just using a larger naturally aspirated engine of equal power output, so your turbo charged gas engine will fail sooner. The modern trend of putting large 4 cylinder turbo charged engines in US built P/U trucks is unfortunate and dumb and is over all bad for our environment but it is the EPA that forced this path. Turbos for racing are a great thing though but race teams have the income to replace engines and rebuild them with all new parts very regularly.
7:04 if you block the oil feed from the engine block side how is the M pump feed with oil to the hole in the front of the pump ? Also this ALA thing you talk about what does that stand for/mean? 5:35
if you pause this video at 7:25 you will see that the shaft is hollow. That is where the oil is pushed into the pump, it does this for the MW pump also. At the same timestamp you'll see a plate on the pump face that looks like pacman. The oil just drains back out through pacmans mouth, and falls back to the oil pan.
Great subject. Can you tell your opinion about puting together an OM616 (240D) with a small turbo and PES 4M pump from OM601? Do you offer external ADA for PES 4M pump? And I am not afraid of blowing up the engine, they are plentifull and I would not go big with pressure and fuel... OM616 loves to rev but I can not keep up with the traffic.
Awesome. Which MB 5 cylinder engine would you recommend as a good swap candidate for a mid 90's Ford F-150 pickup? The factory 5.8L V8 needs work, but it's such a gas hog, I'd rather spend the money on a better engine - hence a MB diesel powerplant. Not looking for a HD powerhouse either, I'm ok with the smaller 5cyl vs a 6. Thanks!!
Which one is the best in terms of power and reliability? Would it be the om606? Or something newer? Although the newer ones may not be available in the U.S
Hi! New subscriber, I have the Ssangyong 2.9 liter td 602 clone in my 2006 Musso. I have an M series Bosch injector pump running 5.5s, and am wondering if skipping the 6mm and installing 7mm elements would be of any benefit. Do the 7s not fit, or are the 6s just better for the application?
It depends on your power goal. 6 mm are good for 90-100 CC. They an make more, but its too long of an injection duration, not good. 7 to 8 mm is recommended for wanting more than 90 CC.
The om605 turbo or the om606 turbo. The Normal Aspirated versions of the 605/606 are also desirable, but pistons and other stuff might be less strong than the turbo versions.
Thanx for the rebuilt fuel lift pump. Needed that. Been working on making my 93 ford ranger rhd(im building my own right hand drive setup), then the 603 will slip in.
Happy new year and best wishes to you Shane ! Amazing video as always
-Loris
Appreciate it
Hi Shane, Nice video. One correction on the 603 that is not a trap oxidizer that is a replacement pipe that Mercedes came up with to replace the trap oxidizer. The TO was moved to below the car. In fact, for a time (may still be available), if you still had a car with TO, Mercedes will replace the turbo, exhaust system and the TO with this pipe configuration for free. I had mine done in 2010.
Ah, I see. Thanks for sharing. Good to know.
Best diesel motors ever made especially the OM617
Great video! A definite in-depth view of the different engines. I used to own a 77 240D. Then I still have my 92 300 2.5. turbo. Unfortunately I was driving and it started pouring white smoke and a very bad knock?. I'll be trying to figure my DIY repairs this spring. I'm very happy to hear that you build injection pumps. Hopefully I'll be able to get one?
Your 240D is more rugged and last twice as long then your 250D
Nice general overview of these series of engines. The six cylinder engines are naturally balanced and should run smoother that would be their main advantage. The change to a cross flow cylinder head is not that big of a deal with a low RPM diesel engine design compared to a high revving naturally aspirated gasoline engine design because the engine is not being power limited by airflow usually. If your trying to hot rod one of these engines the cross flow design might become more useful though. I don't like turbo charged gasoline engines because in my way of thinking you could just put in a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine and get the same power with less complicated plumbing and expense and heat under the hood, however in a diesel engine I will concede that a turbo is nearly essential just due to the fuel itself being higher in calorific value it needs the extra oxygen to burn the fuel efficiently or else you tend to get black smoke out the exhaust and less power than you would expect for a given displacement because you'd have to use a shorter injection stroke on a naturally aspirated one or smaller injector pistons to get the right fuel air mixture. A turbo basically increases the displacement of an engine in a way because the turbo adds a lot more air pressure and flow than an equivalent non turbo one I am not sure how the little 2.5 L made just as much power as the 3.0L one though I don't think it is just in the cross flow cylinder head design but I don't really know Mercedes diesel engines well enough to make an informed guess but I would assume there is a better camshaft profile to go along with the revised cross flow head design. Also I don't like turbo charged gasoline engines because the added power puts more stress on the engine parts compared to just using a larger naturally aspirated engine of equal power output, so your turbo charged gas engine will fail sooner. The modern trend of putting large 4 cylinder turbo charged engines in US built P/U trucks is unfortunate and dumb and is over all bad for our environment but it is the EPA that forced this path. Turbos for racing are a great thing though but race teams have the income to replace engines and rebuild them with all new parts very regularly.
7:04 if you block the oil feed from the engine block side how is the M pump feed with oil to the
hole in the front of the pump ? Also this ALA thing you talk about what does that stand for/mean?
5:35
if you pause this video at 7:25 you will see that the shaft is hollow. That is where the oil is pushed into the pump, it does this for the MW pump also. At the same timestamp you'll see a plate on the pump face that looks like pacman. The oil just drains back out through pacmans mouth, and falls back to the oil pan.
@@Val-xi4we Many thanks
Hi friend, i though that standard turbos had 6 mm IP element, but has 5.5 as the natural aspirated engine IP or am i wrong?
Only the om605/6 turbo engines with EDC pumps got 6mm elements. All others are 5.5
Great subject. Can you tell your opinion about puting together an OM616 (240D) with a small turbo and PES 4M pump from OM601? Do you offer external ADA for PES 4M pump? And I am not afraid of blowing up the engine, they are plentifull and I would not go big with pressure and fuel... OM616 loves to rev but I can not keep up with the traffic.
One thing you may have missed, the 617 was about 50 Kilograms heavyer than the 603 and a lot thirstyer.
Awesome. Which MB 5 cylinder engine would you recommend as a good swap candidate for a mid 90's Ford F-150 pickup? The factory 5.8L V8 needs work, but it's such a gas hog, I'd rather spend the money on a better engine - hence a MB diesel powerplant. Not looking for a HD powerhouse either, I'm ok with the smaller 5cyl vs a 6. Thanks!!
Wonderful video! Thanks much for all the important informations. Greeting's from Germany.
Thanks for your very informative clip. Are the 0M606s easy to source in the US as it is almost impossible to find them in AUS?
They are rare here too. I sell complete engines though. info@benzinjection.com
What's the real differences between the 603 and 606 besides how the fuel pump is controlled?
SOHC 12 valve vs DOHC 24 valve is the main difference.
What are the lengths of the different versions?
Which one is the best in terms of power and reliability? Would it be the om606? Or something newer? Although the newer ones may not be available in the U.S
Hey Shane. Im interested in swapping out the old om617 engine in my w123 wagon for a newer om606. Do you have any pointers on these type of swaps?
13:20 where'd you get that cap for the ALDA? Mine currently doesn't have anything
The best 603 is the naturally aspirated one i have here in Australia yes little slower but bullet proof and simple.
I dont see how. Im seeing guys with turbo 603 with 1000000km in forums everywhere.
So evidently ur comment is baseless.
Nice builds
Hi! New subscriber, I have the Ssangyong 2.9 liter td 602 clone in my 2006 Musso. I have an M series Bosch injector pump running 5.5s, and am wondering if skipping the 6mm and installing 7mm elements would be of any benefit. Do the 7s not fit, or are the 6s just better for the application?
It depends on your power goal. 6 mm are good for 90-100 CC. They an make more, but its too long of an injection duration, not good. 7 to 8 mm is recommended for wanting more than 90 CC.
@@BenzInjection thanks heaps!
How are you waste gating the 602 in the yoda?
HE221 has internal wastegate
@@BenzInjection I might just have to use one of those then. I’d like to keep internal gates. Thank you!
Which one of these mercedes diesel engines is the best ?
The om605 turbo or the om606 turbo. The Normal Aspirated versions of the 605/606 are also desirable, but pistons and other stuff might be less strong than the turbo versions.
COOL VID
Thanx for the rebuilt fuel lift pump. Needed that.
Been working on making my 93 ford ranger rhd(im building my own right hand drive setup), then the 603 will slip in.
ur awesome keep it up!!!
You also get a 2.9 OM602
I have a 1998 e300 turbo diesel how much I need to spend in a 350 hp fuel injection pump and I live in Dallas tx