Kite Army, I was “was” a Toro owner and I was pissed about your review. Yesterday I went out and bought the Ego. 1st I bought the last years Ego model and then I returned it for the 2020 Ego. Both 2019 and 2020 were more fun to operate than the Toro. I did hit a few stones today and it sounded horrible compared to the Toro or a single blade mower. The Ego out performed Toro in almost every category! Battery life and recharge!!! Easier to turn and slightly quieter. The pacesetter function wasn’t as much fun as the Ego self propelled. Psychologically the feeling of your body slightly being pulled forward cutting grass may make you a little less fatigued. Sorry for Ever Doubting you Kite Army!!! A Thousand Pardons!!!
Kite Army I can’t argue you took a lot of time to make this video for us so I thank you for that. Here is my thoughts on your points. 1. Wheels you are correct the Ego wins. Shame on you Toro. 2. 6.0ah battery compared to 7.5ah battery is not a huge difference as you state and for 150 dollars more seems like a rip off. Can’t argue about the rapid charging of the Ego being nice but some would argue trickle charging is better on the battery and promotes longer life even with lithium batteries. 3. Cables being loose on the Toro being bad. Have you seen the posts on Ego lawnmowers having issues with wires breaking. Could it be because of the restrictive cable housing and sharper bends created from that housing when storing actually making the much looser cabling of the Toro near the mower better for folding and storing? 4. Cut quality on UA-cam is almost always in favor of the Toro. 5. Your deep grass test has the Toro making the first cut with deep grass on both sides which is harder on a mower and the Toro has a faster self-propelled system feeding more grass into the system not to mention an 1.5 inch larger cut. A better test would be to have both do the test with both sides full of grass. 6. Personal preference but the LED lights are really strange and no one mows the lawn in the dark even with a quiet mower. The look of the Ego is like a cheap plastic looking child’s toy. I own a Honda so I am not a Toro fan boy and just doing a lot of research before I give up on gas😊
@@Brian-Outdoors Great comment - make sure you look at the quality and performance of all the tools of each brand before you buy - This is another strength of EGO
Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.
I bought the Ego 3rd gen mower and used it the same day. I Had one patch of grass to cut before the mower stopped because it overheated. Granted, I had the mower very low(set to 2), It was at night so I was running the LEDs the whole time, and the grass was somewhat damp. I barely used the self-propel because this thing is so damn light you don't need it. it stalled out maybe 4 times while cutting my lawn. I'd say it did pretty good considering I was driving it pretty hard.
I sold my Toro gas powered mower. I now own the Ego battery powered mower. I can’t imagine any reason to go back to gas. Mowing in quiet is a pleasure.
Good video, but I'd much rather see the mowers compared mowing a normal length lawn to see their quality of cut. Most people won't buy electric mowers to mow 10" tall grass.
@@leny7829 the Ego's cut quality is awesome, second only to reel mowers. While I don't know anyone with a Toro to compare it to, my neighbors have a gas Honda and a reel and my yard is in between the two for cut quality. My neighbor with the Honda even asks to borrow my Ego occasionally
As I look at electric mower tests only a few actually mow a typical lawn, and not one lawn has been in good uniform shape. Not one review has shown cut quality.
Thanks for the comparison. I threw away my Toro snow blower and have Ego. And recently threw away my Lawn Boy lawnmower and guess what, I have Ego. Now, I have two chargers and three batteries. Thumbs Up all the way!!!!
Pass by one of the Home Depot in Canada today to get a price adjustment on the EGO inverter as the price has dropped from $149 to $98 and decide to check out both lawnmowers. I do like the idea that the Toro has the hose connection build in; however, would not want it on a metal deck and wish that the EGO has it even though I just the Worx Hydroshot that takes 30s to clean up the plastic deck of the EGO with a water bucket. I found that the individual wheel adjustment leaver actually stick out quiet a bit which may hinder close cut when it is at lower setting on the Toro. When I try to pull the rear bag out I notice that it requires more effort to putt the Toro's bag out while bending over on my back through the opening between the handle due to the bag handle is placed at the entrance of the bag and cause the bag to fall backward (back heavy) once is dislodged from the mower while the EGO's bag is perfectly horizontally balanced (and is the same when the bag is fully full on my older 21" mower) at all time and effortlessly to lodge and dislodge once the handle is swim forward effortlessly with the spring loaded handle. Since I own the older 21" EGO I know how easy it is to dump the grass into the waste bag because it is always horizontally balanced and I can hold the waste bag open in one hand and dump the grass easily with the other hand by tilting it forward ; however, the Toro bag must use two hands (one on the handle and one on the bottom of the bag to dump grass into the waste bag because it is always back heavy. On a windy day it's going to be difficulty to keep the yard waste bag open without been blown away while try to empty the bag with two hands. I also realize that with white color bag on Toro it is going to show grass stain pretty quickly compared with the black EGO bag. I also was able to compare the Toro 600CFM with the (old) EGO 530CFM leaf blower and found that the plastic material on the Toro is like cheap and soft dollar store toy material and the part where two molds meets are not even complete sealed whereas the (old) EGO unit comes with hard strong plastic with the housing is fully sealed. I would not want to use the Toro unit to blow snow as I have been with my EGO 650CFM unit. The wet snow will definitely case a short circuit or worse, electrocution! No way the Toro would be a weather resistance unit... not with my life! I do like the front handle on the Toro unit that makes the handling easier ergonomically. EGO unit would need to flip side way to be able to be operated by two hands. I hope EGO will make a small >30" battery riding mower since the Zero-Turn is just too big for my need and a small riding mower will make it more fun to mower (and maybe with a spreader attachment!).
I bought the 2021 Toro and am happy with it. Ego is great and you cant go wrong. Go for the Ego if battery life is more important or if you want a lighter mower. Also Ego may be better if you cant mow the grass as recimmended. Toro is heavier and will sit squarely on the grass if its too tall thus stalling more. Why did i choose toro? 1. Steel Deck seems like it will still be here 10 years later. 2. Personal pace. My 9 year old son is helping to mow whenever he needs $$. He can walk at his pace. 3. I mow a 7000 sq ft lawn with one charge. I am planning to buy a second battery next season. If you dont plan to either buy a second battery in addituon to the 6 ah battery or getting the toro with the bigger battery, go for the ego. Batteries will decrease with time and the Ego has a bigger battery and charges quicker
What about cut quality while mulching at the highest setting? I’ll be honest, I’m not too worried about it bogging down in crazy tall grass as most mowers will never see that. Thx
I didn't have the new ego, but the ego 2101 did a horrible job mulching. Left a line of unmulched long grass blades along the wheel line on both sides. I returned it for the Toro Recycler as it has a better mulching rating. However the Toro only does a slightly better job. Disappointed in both. My old black and decker grass hog mulches grass into nearly invisible pieces. I hope I can fix it. I want to like the cordless mowers, but just too expensive for a sub par cutting job.
Kite Army, are you going to review the 2021 Ego Select Cup XP model? It’s a small upgrade with a 10 aHr battery and even more torque (I believe 8.3 ft-lb). I have been a Toro user (most recently the TimeMaster 30” deck self propelled) but I think I am going to switch to Ego and go electric. Thanks for all your reviews...I enjoy them.
Always enjoy your reviews. I’ve been an EGO fanboy since I got my mower 3 years ago. I followed up with purchasing the blower, carbon fiber string trimmer, hedger, and 14” chainsaw. I have been doing lawn work for 30+ years, using all types and manufacturer’s equipment, and I can honestly saw that this line of equipment beats them all. So I recently upgraded the mower to the new Select Cut, because literally all of the little annoyances of my old EGO were resolved with the new SelectCut. At the time of my purchase I noticed the TORO model, and considered it for a moment, based solely on my experiences with gas TOROs I have used in the past. So I have been very eager to see a comparison, and you certainly put any of my doubts to rest that I made the right choice! As for my other EGO products, my only regret is not going with the multi-head option on the string trimmer, mainly due to EGO’s recent release of the power sweeper attachment, which I would love to have over the power load feature on the carbon fiber trimmer (which is very awesome in it’s own right, but something I only utilize maybe 2-3 times a season when I install a new line). The only product of there’s that I have found that now gets beat, is their chainsaw, by Milwaukee’s new 18v 16” chainsaw. Leave it to Milwaukee to find a way to beat the power of a 56V 7.5ah battery with a 18v 8.0ah battery...but I put them both to the test on a recent fallen tree in my yard, and there was no comparison. That being said, I have not tried out their newer 16” or 18” chainsaws. At the end of the day, EGO does not rest on it’s laurels, and keeps improving their products, while everyone else is playing catch-up to their older models. Thanks again for the review, and keep up the great work!
EGO gave the industry a wake up call and no one answered. I mean TORO had 5 years since the release of the EGO mower to make a decent cordless mower and this is what they came up with? It's just like how Tesla came into the auto industry and smacked everyone around. Thanks to these progressive companies, consumers win!
Kite Army Ironically, I worked for Tesla for 3 years in their Energy division. Hence, my propensity in having all-electric tools. As soon as that electric pickup becomes available I’m all over it!
What do you think about reliability? I have a 15 year old Honda gas mower but, for my daughters home I am recommending she buy a battery powered mower. Any mechanical problems? Any parts, other than the blade of course) that seem to be wearing out?
@@edlibey8177 I have the 1st gen EGO SP mower. After 4 years, it had an erratic speed control issue cause by weakened wiring in middle of the handle (where it collapses to fold-up the mower for storage). After 6 weeks in the Service Center in AZ, EGO sent me a new replacement mower.
I just returned my ego select cut. The run time we got out of it was 35 to 50 minutes. If you ever tried using the bag on the ego it sucks. The crossbar is right in the middle and makes it difficult to take the bag off and on. The reason we had to return it is because the ego would get hot in turn off. I lean more towards the toro for the fact that if grass is high you can put the Discharge chute on the side of the mower. Not the rear. Ego does have a better charger. But if you plan to use the ego for bagging you will notice real quick that it is not designed for that. Also the blades are thinner on the ego
I have used the bag a few times and didn't even notice the cross bar - I will have to look at that. Also I have never used the chute on any mower since mulching became more popular - i feel like they lead to clumpy looking lawns
I believe the proper way for accessing the bag is by releasing the handle leaver and push the handle bar forward to have the full access of the bag. look forward to hearing your experience on the Toro once you used it. Since I only mulch this design done not effect me much. When I compared the EGO next to the TORO at HOME DEPOT I just can’t stand how cheap and flimsy TORO’s build quality is for them to ask for the higher price tag just because the brand name that has been around. To me it is a GM/Ford selling at Tesla’s pricing range and getting away with it. Only a few things I like about the design of the TORO: Big wheels (but they cheape on the ball bearing), shorter handle with no centre bar for easy bag access (but they cheap out on the handlebar material and release lever) and build in mulching flap (not sure how well it seals when compared with the insert type). I got excited when I saw the first preview on this Toro that has the metal deck then I remembered what my first metal deck lawn mower look like after a few years of use even though I kept everything in the garage.... RUSTY!
@@Jeo-What I did not include this in my video just because of time constraints but the Toro mulching flap is real jenky - you have to wiggle it a bit to activate.
Do you have a photo of what you were cutting??. I've never gotten less then 55 minutes out of mine, and that is running hard and heavy, cutting height 3" and grass at 7 to 8". I have never even had a stall out.. I'm with Kite Army on this one about the side shoot...it just makes a sucky looking lawn.. Never noticed anything bad about the bag. Even my Wife, likes mowing and has no problem whatsoever with the bag...No comparison between these two mowers, the EGO is by far superior//
So I have the Ego and was seriously considering a switch, simply because I can't get a striping kit on my EGO. After watching this comparison video, I'm sticking with my EGO! I really want those lawn stripes, but it's more important to have a good performing mower! Thanks for a quick, simple review.
@@Kitearmy No way. I haven't found one yet. I also have been bugging Ego to have an official one to make sure I don't void my warranty. Can you point me in the direction of the one you're referring to?
wow amazing. I actually just purchased lawn equipment and all by ego. Trimmer, blower, hedge trimmer, and edger. Looking into mowers and came across this review. I had no clue the ego mower was this good! Im really thinking about buying this mower now. Thank u for this review, it really does help
I bought my EGO mower 4 years ago. It does not create enough vacuum under the deck to lift tall fescue properly when mowing at the highest setting in the summer. My 7hp 190cc TroyBilt creates a lot more vacuum with a mulch blade than the EGO does with it's high lift blade. I have a 5000 sqft area of bermuda grass that the EGO gets used for. It cuts bermuda very well on the number 2 deck setting.
I have the EGO mower, the previous model. It sure is powerful. BUT.. compared to my Bosch Rotak it is kinda heavy to move and.. my main concern is: this EGO of mine does not pick up the grass (and leaves!) very well. It just blows it away! and that sucks. Hope this is better and cleaner with the new one. Then i might upgrade. It is always so handy for picking up leaves, but not this EGO. Ya.. it kinda works.. but around the edges is just blows it away and that is really annoying!
I believe that is why EGO released this mower, because they were getting some negative feedback from turfmasters on the cut quality of previous mowers. I was happy with both but I do see a huge improvement on this mower - only when my grass is really full and lush - end of growing season for me.
I have switched to the high lift blade and for the first time I tried bagging to test how difficult to access the bagging area as well as cutting down the dandelion flowers before the seeds flying to my neighbours. I was very surprised that the bag was full all the way to the top every time I pulled it open and the grass length were finer than the original stock blade. I am still waiting for someone who is daring enough to put the new dual blad (both combinations) onto the first generation 21 inch lawnmower and do a review on it.
@@Jeo-What Ah so it is better with a 'high lift blade' ? Going to order that then. Or i might sell the one and get the new two-blade EGO. But i am not sure how it will perform against the old one.. in terms of lift and even cutting result.
Great question. Trust me I would have bought the Larger battery in the Toro if it was available - BUT it would not have changed the outcome. Let me explain - the larger Ah does not change the power it just extends the run time. That is why I did a power test and not a run time test.
I think Home Depot has intentionally stopped sell this mower - OUT OF STOCK www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-22-in-Recycler-60-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Battery-Walk-Behind-Personal-Pace-Mower-7-5-Ah-Battery-Charger-Included-20366/308863114
I just bought the Toro with the 7.5Ah battery. I really was interested in the Ego but went with the Toro for two reasons. First was the fact that I can bring the Toro in for repair at any Toro dealer. I read that the Ego could be in for repair for up to 6 weeks. Second was the fact that I can flush out the underside of the deck. My present Toro always has mulched grass jammed up under the deck. Each buyer has their own reasons as to what they want in a mower. That being said the Ego quick battery charging is sweet as well as the duel blade on the Ego. Both of these mowers are a great choice. I will never be cutting a field like you did so that comparison is mute. I enjoy your reviews, as a matter of fact I just bought the Ego carbon fiber shaft string trimmer and the Ego 530cfm leaf blower.
@@albertdutra4676 That's probably because lawyers have a concern that someone will wash it in a bathtub. I would say if you do it carefully it probably will not be a problem - BUT hey "DO AT YOUR OWN RISK" or better yet "HIDE UNDER YOUR COUCH AND WAIT FOR IT TO END"
@@Kitearmy This is the way you talk to your viewers when they question you. If the manual states don’t wash out the deck it could void the warranty. Not everyone gets these machines for free like you. I can’t stand this infomercial fool. Selling that snake oil.
I bought the Toro and have used it about 6 times on my acre yard. Too large a yard for a push mower but I'm selling the house and will be downsizing. The battery lasts for about 40 minutes. I really love the self propel function, its extremely intuitive. Very impressive. You walk faster and it goes faster, you stop and it stops, you slow down and it slows down. You don't have to give it any thought at all. I can't imagine having to adjust speeds with a throttle after using this. I also like the attachement for a water hose, makes it easy to clean. The battery takes a long time to charge. But after running it for 40 minutes and then another 15 with the Toro weed wacker battery I'm about to break for the day anyway. Seems well built and well thought out. I like battery much better than gas, I wear headphones and listen to podcast at a reasonable volume, this thing is very quiet.
Question of the day is would you pick the Toro over the Ego while the Toro is on clearance for $299? I never mulch so I'm not worried about bogging down.
@@Kitearmy Here's the brickseek link. Put in your zip and search if they come up as in stock and show "clearance" as the price then it is $299. brickseek.com/home-depot-inventory-checker?sku=307978533. From a Slickdeals thread. Headed to a nearby HD in a few minutes to pick one up. My old Honda finally died yesterday.
Finally picked mine (well the first of) up yesterday and after fully charging the battery I went straight to town... This thing hangs with the very best consumer gas mowers and it is most definitely king of electrics in terms of performance and design. In the interest of transparency, I did have to exchange my first one because it had a defect causing the rear right wheel to skip and bind during both SP and manual push modes. I removed the wheel and inspected the double gearing system and there were no signs of damage so I suspect the locking mechanism was defective and constantly engaging. My replacement works a charm! It feels very solid and the handle design is among the best I've seen. On a full charge, in extremely heavy grass and weeds (15"+ growth) it plowed through for 52 straight minutes with only 3 stalls in conditions that would have stalled any gas mower. I only used the SP a few times, though, knowing the grass was too heavy and the battery may have struggled a bit... Still, 52 minutes is not too shabby! I think I can easily get the claimed 60 minutes during yard maintenance cycles. I also picked up their redesigned trimmer with the PowerLoad feature and carbon fiber shaft. Haven't used it but it feels very comfortable and balanced. Will report back once I give it a go!
Nice - welcome to the club. I have not had any issues with my self propelled. It is the best I have used - most brands bind when pulling backwards like the Toro
@@Kitearmy Thanks! I wish they would come out with the triple threat Ego Lawn mower which they don't have out now. Which is the Self Cut, Self propelled and Duel port. All of them out right now are missing one or two of the three.
@@Kitearmy One last question. Which is more important. The duel power which gives you more run time or the Select Cut? I have the duel power where you can put two batteries in but it doesn't have the Select Cut. The Select Cut doesn't have duel power. Which do you think is more important in your opinion?
Now if the EGO was a 22" like the Toro is it would be different results! I owned the EGO and it had a lousy cut compared to the Toro period! That one inch makes more grass being cut mostly in the tall grass you did the test in. Did EGO pay you?
I got a Toro battery powered snow blower last year. Only tried it once. Mild Winter. I was thinking go Toro mower so I can use the same battery. But the Ego looks so much better. If I get a battery mower I'd go Ego
I have the older ego pushmower with 2.5 a battery, on my 3rd batt. our new house has a huge yard compared to before so I guess I'm buying a self propelled newer one. Originally was looking at going back to gas but the convenience of battery is tough to beat. You can't let your grass get 10 inches with a batt mower, thats the only thing and buying a new batt about every 3 years.
Just an observation, with the Toro, is that the only charger they have, do they make a quick charger? I know the Ego comes with the quick charger which should be mentioned cause they are like 90 bucks, that is a great add on by Ego. I just got my Select Cut Ego today, of course its raining lol, cant wait to use it. Love your channel. Any word on an Ego snow blower upgrade or maybe an Ego pressure washer?
I bought a Toro Super Recycler gas mower 2 years ago. I bought gas, because electric mowers did not have the same torque/suction for bagging/mulching/sucking up leaves. The Toro is strong and is holding up fine, but... it is a "loud" 100 lb beast. Also, I really don't like wearing ear protection and know I should. So electric here I come. What I really don't like about Toros, and still don't, is the 4 separate wheel height adjustments needed. I cut/mulch at 4" for a better look, especially when the yard is dry and off season. I bag, leaves, grass, etc. curbside and on sidewalks at 1." The up and down height adjustment is a pain! Also, the newest Toros still need a mulching plug (no slide adjustment) and don't have ball bearing wheels!!
For us northerners we need to look at the whole package of lawnmower and snowblower. When I buy I want to make sure I get the best of both worlds without having to buy 2 brands and have separate battery chargers. Any thoughts on my dilemma?
It would be nice to hear the mowers run. I'll be honest, that music is aweful but music is tough to pick on YT. Thanks for the video. Very informative. I'm sold on ego. I just picked up the 650 blower and 18" chainsaw. They are awesome. Trimmer is next and then mower.
actually you are right about hearing them run but if you want that there is plenty of more in depth reviews on most products.. i watched Paul S review the toro vs a Husqvarna and after hearing the Husqvarna as it went through the thicker grass i didnt even want to consider buying it anymore. The toro sounded much more powerful and cut way better
Bought this EGo Select Cut on April 24. Wouldn't start up on May 24. I tried to troubleshoot it. Learned it takes about 3 weeks for a turn around time for repairs (they are sent to Atlanta). Exchanged it for the same model since it's only a month old. Hopefully this was just a fluke. Will come back to post here if there are any more issues. Loved the comparison review, BTW.
@@Kitearmy Yes, Home Depot exchanged it for the same model since it was exactly a month it went bad. The indicator was an amber light which meant it was high temp on the battery. But the battery was fully charged and it was a 67 degree day. It was off the charger for some time. Anyway, like I said, it looks like this was just a fluke seeing the number of people here that have had theirs for years.
I enjoy your videos. This comparison is based on the standard package. But we want to see your results on how the mowers perform if the Batteries were Equaled ! Was your focus on the Oranges or the Apples ? 9;20 - bigger Battery 9;50 - mentioned again - Batteries are different. Can you please do a more accurate test with the larger Toro Battery ?
I’ve owned the Toro Personal Pace gas powered mower. It performed well. However, I renamed it to the Toro Personal Push mower because that was what you had to do. Fast-forward to now. When I read about the Ego battery powered mower I bought one instantly. It performs flawlessly. It cuts well. It’s very easy to store as it doesn’t need to sit horizontally. The best part is I don’t have to push it like I did with the Toro. I’ve owned Toro mowers since the 1980’s and they’ve proven to be a quality mower. However when Toro introduced the Personal Push, sorry Pace, I just wasn’t a fan. Ego is the only mower for me. Cheers!
I noticed that you changed a blade on the EGO to the gater type blade. Do you find it works better than the setup out of the box? Debating trying it out on mine.
I did not change for this video - but the second blade is the "bagging" blade that will help dice up the lawn into smaller pieces. I'm going to make a video demonstrating that...
@@Kitearmy Thanks for the response. Mowed my grass at 3" the other day and noticed some places or blades of grass that were not cut. Grass wasn't overly high or damp. Tried overlapping more but had the same problem. Only the second cut using the mower so far.
I'm not convinced that a battery mower cuts as cleanly as a gas mower. Can you do the same test with the ego and a HRX217VKA? That would be a very helpful. Thanks.
That would be fun to see, but no battery powered mower could come close to that. They aren't intended to. They are intended to be cleaner, lighter, easier, cheaper over the long run and lower maintenance. And of course, they have to do a fair to good job of mowing the lawn. The Honda HRX217VKA has a 201cc engine that puts out 4.1kW. If you do the math on the battery vs. run-time of the Ego (7.5Ah at 56V translates to 0.42kWh), we can determine that the Ego is using less than 0.38kW as it runs... Less than 1/10th the power of the Honda. There are all sorts of reasons to go with battery powered tools over gas-powered ones, depending on the use-case. But cutting cleaner and/or doing a better job are not two of them.
Can you do a comparison of cut quality for a normal cut? I understand the power comparison but quality of cut under normal conditions is more important. Do the mower leave Mohawks, do they have sufficient vacuum, mulching, etc. Those are comparisons I would welcome. Thanks.
I have been thinking of replacing my 21 year old gas mower with a battery operated but I keep thinking if it breaks can it be fixed? What is the life expectancy of these mowers?
@KiteArmy: Are you in anyway compensated by EGO for your reviews and comparisons?? I love your reviews but since EGO products keep coming out on top, I had to ask. Please let me know.
Ego is great on longer grass but not as efficient on shorter grass. I try to cut my Bermuda grass a couple times per week as it is not recommended to cut more than 1/3 of the grass blade at a time.
I know you try to make these tests similar and fair, but I noticed you did not start the EGO in uncut grass but started in the cut section that the Toro had just completed. That made it so the EGO had about a 10 to 15% lower work load from the beginning. You over lapped the cut grass with the EGO making it easier to cut. I would like to see the same test done with the EGO going first and the Toro following. Cutting through a full deck of grass take a great deal more power even with gas mowers. I do think the 7.5 amp EGO battery has more power than the Toro 6.0 amp so the EGO should win the competition but I feel the Toro had the bigger disadvantage. I appreciate your videos you take a great deal of time and effort to set things up and I know its hard work, so thank you!
The Toro still stalled 4 times on the return trip when it had a wheel overlapping and the grass that the ego cut was longer. Also the Toro is 60v so it should have the power advantage, the larger battery on the Ego is to let it cut a bigger yard, it doesn't give it more power.
Great video Andrew I wish you would have compared the 7.7 ah to the 7.5 ah though. I picked up a Ego mower to play around with and have been really happy with it so far. I'll have to put it through some tests like you've done!
@@Kitearmy More cells in parallel will often sag less (the voltage will remain higher under high load). Its quite possible the cells of the larger pack are capable of higher sustained discharge. This would likely present as the voltage sagging on the pack and then the motor drawing higher current before stalling due to over-current protection, like where you went through the thick grass. It's possible here that the 7.5 Ah pack would stay at a high enough voltage that lower current could be drawn in this scenario and the mower wouldn't stall. How much of a difference this would have would need to be tested. The main takeaway though is that battery capacity can most certainly have an affect on output power and it cannot be assumed the 7.5 Ah pack would perform identically.
@@tcv4 I think that is fair - I guess I could use the 10Ah on the Ego to have more power. The real problem here is that the 7.5Ah Toro battery is not available.
As I pay more attention to the detail of the drive train area I noticed that the driving motor on the Toro looks like the discontinued/defective unit (box shape) that EGO has stopped using on their current production. Would you be able to verify that?
The Toro does not use an independent drive motor. That box you see is the "transmission" that drives the rear wheels from a belt that is driven by the primary motor. This is the same method they have used for something like 20 years on all their personal pace self propelled mowers.
You sir are part of the air and noise pollution problem but fortunately most places aren't selling gas powered mowers anymore and I hope you were just joking. lol
Please, Get to the point you want to make, DO NOT REPEAT WORDS! Short and sassy no screaming and no repeating. Otherwise, you have the content, just that your delivery is challenging. Thanks!
I hope this ego mower has reliable self propelled units on it because gen 2 did not. I bought two select cut mowers for my business they are really good so far.. hope that self propelled unit holds up.
With so many people and UA-cam reviewer praising about the ease of access to the catching bag of the TOTO and complaining about the EGO design I decided to try it on my 21 inch first generation lawnmower for the first time since I only mulch to enrich the grass and not my own visual pleasure and this is what I found: Of course it is difficult to access the bag from the top on the EGO because the bar is there however with one lever mechanism design on the handle bar I only need to press the leaves effortlessly and move the entire handlebar forward to have way wider access than bending my back to pickup a heavy fully loaded bag on the Toro unit that require the operator to operate through the handle bar( and potentially break their back!). I also realize the reason TORO has such design is because they are not willing to put in extra materials to rovide telescopic handle bar so it can be shorter in height when the lawnmower is in folded vertical position. Toro makes two small levers (plastic) to be turned before the operator is able to fold the handle bar which may not be operable when wearing gloves while EGO provides one nice spring loaded long handle to do the job effortlessly. This shows me who is thinking more about the consumer’s pocketbook and who is thinking more about the consumer’s health. I love how TORO continues to do reverse engineering on EGO products to find where they can cut corners while selling their products at higher price to their vast blind loyal followers into their financial slaughterhouse.
I feel like the EGO is a bit gimicky with the lights. Here are a few points I think that were missed. -Bag install/removal, very easy on the Toro, the EGO you have to go from underneath the handle, bending over more and likely spilling more clippings. -Thickness of the side of the deck being steel vs composite, IE how close it actually cuts around borders, fences, against walls, etc. I notice with my composite deck Honda HRX217 (looks similar wall thickness of the deck compared to the EGO) that I have to pay more attention to how trim around edges because it simply doesn't cut as close to the edges as my old Toro did. -By the looks of the mowers the shorter wheel base on the toro looks like an HUGE advantage for maneuverability. Ball bearings rust, plastic wheels don't. My old Lawn Boy and Toro had the type of wheels, they lasted a very long time and are likely considerably cheaper to replace when needed. -Also, how often does a person really adjust the height of their mower? I feel like the EGO system is more likely to break. To me it seems there is heavy bias to the EGO in this video. Especially when the comment was made towards the Toro about the deck being the same as the gas models. The mode of blade drive doesn't matter, the deck makes all the difference in suction, mulching and cut quality...which Toro has been the top tier for decades.
The headlights are gimicky but most of the other features are useful. But if you like a barebones mower the Toro is for you - but they should price it at $300. BTW - I adjust my mower height all the time
Kite Army ummm, according to Home Depot the Toro is $100 cheaper than the EGO. I don’t know that a mower like that should be $300. Especially being made in the USA vs China..... IMO the ease of the bag install and removal is more of a benefit than the height adjustment. Also having a dealer network like toro does is another huge advantage. The deck is tried and true, class leading mulching and bagging.
@@cpftank09 I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the mower says "made in PRC" all over it - not sure that is the USA. I didn't say that in the video because I didn't want to hurt any Toro fans feelings - but, we must face this truth....
Kite Army interesting, I wonder why their site and others say it’s made in the USA? Maybe just “assembled”? I am curious to see the cut quality though. I’m somewhat disappointed in my Honda with the composite deck, my old lawn boy and toro cut better I feel.
- I never use the headlight feature for cutting the lawn; however, when I loan the self-propelled lawnmower (set to lowest speed) to my elderly neighbor who requires a walker to go up and down hills for day and night walk or getting garbage can to and from the hilly curbside it become an amazing feature! It's like Daytime Running Light when he use it for a short walk around the neighborhood and if he gets tired he can just sit on it (maybe I will get a seat cushion to put on top of the battery cover from AMAZON). All the neighbors are amazed abut the feature and it cost a lot less than an electric walker. It's his new best friend when I am not cutting the lawn. I never thought a lawnmower can be used as a safty medical equipment! EGO should build a smaller (white) unite without the mower section to the elderly people... I bet I will be able to sell it like hot cake! - The proper way of install/removal the bag on EGO is to press the arm handle latch (effortlessly) and swing the entire arm forward (effortlessly) so you will have WAY EASIER ACCESS WITHOUT BENDING (AND HURTING) YOUR BACK WHILE LIFTING HEAVY OBJECT like the fully loaded lawnmower bag. EGO cares for your back in their design... Toro cares to cut cost and make you "BEND OVER"!!! I broke my back once long ago and will never consider that is a good feature on Toro! Only benefit of this feature on Toro is to benefit the Dr. in the future. - Thickness of the deck side wall both have their pro and con. Steel is thinner, heaver and harder and can cut closer but can (and did on my old mower) scratch and rust easier. Double wall composite is thicker, lighter, more flex and can not cut as close but will never rust after been scratched (like my current EGO). - I like the shorter wheel base as well ;however, the sealed ball bearings does not rust out (haven't heard from any 1st generation old EGO owner complain about it yet) - I use the height adjustment EVERY TIME after finishing the cut to make it flat to the ground (1/2 second vs 4 second which is a 800% more efficient design. Imagine you can do everything 800% more efficient in your life!) so it is at it's flattest profile when I put it up against the wall vertically for storage. It's an excellent feature once you have it... but I will never do that if I have a Toro or at least not enjoying doing it. - Toro has been top for decades... but not forever. History tells for all countries, companies or athletes there is a prime time before someone take over its place regardless how long it takes. Perhaps why every auto company is trying to catchup to Tesla (I don't personally need one, own one or want one) after "top tier for decades" of success!
Anyone who watches this channel knew who the winner would be without clicking on the link. Not a word on Cut Quality in mulching mode? The Ego has dual blades they claim for a better mulch. Release the results as that is what these two mowers tout, not cutting an overgrown field as seen.
Agree, I only found one Ego video that considered cut quality. I love the line trimmer so I keep looking at the mower but I cant bring myself to pay a premium price for an average cut.
I have used the Ego and the backup issue you nailed Toro on is way worse with the EGO, Toro slows down due to personal pace and is much more manageabke, and the Ego keeps spinning like mad. Also, who leaves grass that high? Not a relevant comparison. Not sure I would ever need headlights, and who cares that Toro used their impressive metal deck vs a flimsy plastic deck? Not a fan of this biased review
I own a couple of ego products and they are very good. Customer service is excellent!! Currently I own a lawnmower,hedge trimmer and I just added an edged cant wait to use it. I’m thinking of replacing my gas blower with an ego soon
From what I have researched, Ego does not back up their product when things go wrong. You are left holding a $600 bag of nothing. What I want to know is, can I fix it if the mother board somehow gets fried, or a wiring harness opens somewhere. I only look at the negative reviews on a product that has been out long enough to get proper negative reviews.
I think the outcome would be similar but if you think about it the Toro was cutting more grass during the initial cut through. The subsequent passes had some overlap onto the previously mowed area.
After unsuccessfully trying to get my old troy-bilt back to life I finally gave up and bought that Ego. Its 100 times better than the gas/steel. Light weight, no winterizing, no sparks, no gas, no oil, just clean up and stand up or hang up to store away and place the battery in the charger. Soooo ridiculously easy. I'm glad I waited till the 2020 model came out. Oh yeah and a 5 year warrantee on mower and 3 year on battery and charger. You can add another, 3 year extended, home depot warantee for $100, which I didn't add.
appeared not to be a complete full width cut with the Ego so not totally buying the comparison for now, I'm inclined to think a steel deck can take a lot more hits when cutting around landscape objects where as the Ego seems a little cheesy with all the plastic.. As far as the control cables, I like the idea of having them somewhat expose like on the Toro as sooner then later they will need to be replaced and it looks a heck of a lot easier to access them compared to the Ego.. Last but not least,, there are many Toro dealers in my area and I have no clue where to find an Ego dealer so any warranty or repair work could become problematic. Since I would most likely be doing my own repair work,, it's certainly convenient to have a local dealer available for when I need some replacement parts..
@@Kitearmy forgot to say thanks for the terrific video,,, since I'm in the market it's a great starting point. would love to see more battery powered mowers with slightly larger decks in the area of 24-28 inches.. they would have an instant advantage in my view. Thanks again
Great review but I do think whatever mower is going 1st is usually going to be at a disadvantage in a bog down test unless the 2nd mower is starting in area that mirrors what the 1st mower has to cut.
Great review... I've had a 40V Craftsman with the two 10" staggered blades for about 6 years now, but the batteries are not easy to find (cheaply) anymore and the ones I have are no longer lasting very long. I also don't like the 2 small blades attempting to work as a larger single (or dual as is the case with the Ego or some Hondas). It makes for some uneven cuts. I was looking into the new version of the Greenworks 21" self-propelled with dual-battery capabilities (something my Craftsman also has and I appreciate), which is currently on sale for $449 at Lowes. However, I think you've sold me on the Ego, despite it being $150 more. My local HD has 5 in stock... I better run over there!
Another great video, but I'm still waiting for you to make a kite-propelled lawn mower video. Also, I"m still waiting for Ego to produce a lawn mower with weighless turning ability enabled by hoover technologies. I want to turn a lawn mower around 180 degrees with just my pinky.
Kite Army cheap out on where customers cannot see! Now why would anybody trust and respect a company who does that unless they are just blind loyalists.
My plastic wheels are going on 10 years and work fine. How long is that $350 battery going to last using a quick charger? Are you sure those bearings will last longer?
I think there was a problem with the tall grass test. The first pass with the Toro was with uncut grass on all sides of the mower. This caused the grass clippings to be trapped under the deck until the motor stalled. The Ego first pass should have been made under the same conditions. Instead, the Ego first pass was made with 2 wheels and some of the deck in the pre-cut grass. At 8:04 of the video you can see how clippings can escape from the mans left while the mowing swath is about 20 percent less in width.
When it comes to battery electric lawn equipment, EGO is in a league of their own. Hands down they are the best. I personally own the trimmer/edger combo, blower, and hedge trimmer. I sold all of my gas powered hand tools.
i bought a used 2004 yardman for $25 with a 6.5 brigs on it 6 years ago ...changed oil twice and it still has more power than those...starts with one pull...i did sharpen blade 2 times and cleaned air filter once... live in sw florida use to cut lawn 24 times per year... But eletrics are cool just over priced... in three or 4 years they should be better and cheaper imo..
Compare apples and apples. 7.5 amp to 6 amp. Toro has a 7.5 amp also. This was an ad for EGO. Also where can you get servicing for both? No reviews ever mention this.
Not a fair comparison. EGO has the power and torque of gas. So you have to compare EGO to a GAS mower. Also, it's 2020. Why would Toro make a mower with 4 adjustments handle for the height and 2 screw type handlebar height adjustment.
Like the bearings in the EGO wheels but how long to they put up with grass juice and being washed? I am a fan of bearings, BTW...just curious. I'm assuming that both mowers were set at the same cut height? Another great review Andrew! For us Canadians, these electric mowers are SO bloody expensive though 😣 I wan't one really bad but...well...you know the story...$$$.Cheers, John ;)
My 1986 Lawn Boy has wheels with bearings and they are the originals. They roll like new. I grease them as needed(They have grease zerks) and thats it.
@@Kitearmy I've had sealed bearings on skateboards, r/c cars and on the deck of my electric tractor. They all eventually get fouled and blow up. With my skateboard, I peeled the seals out and cleaned the bearings and regreased them and they came back to life. Sometimes you don't notice that the bearings are going or gone until it's too late though. I suppose the quality of the seal would make a difference too. I do like the feature that the wheels have bearings just the same.
Toro makes best in class mowers Ego makes over priced machines At least the parts of the toro (deck, drive train, blades, self propel) are interchangeable with the gas mowers so they don’t cost a fortune to replace Also why don’t you open the side exit on the Toro? It’s a cut test, not a mulching test. Do the same on the Ego, oh wait you can’t bc that’s not an important feature apparently
Colton Brown mulching puts the motor under the most strain so it’s a better test to see durability of the motor. Toro just plonked another manufacturers battery system (most likely stably black and decker) onto their frame. And they didn’t think to blank off the wash port. Ego make all their own products with the exception of the cells in the battery and chainsaw bars and chain. Considering all Ego do are battery powered OPE they are the industry leading brand in battery OPE. Toro are just trying to capitalise on an already overcrowded market. Simple things like ball bearing wheels make a big difference.
I agree that the cut quality should be more in-depth on the review and yes the parts are interchangeable when someone already own an old Toro unit; however, I have to wonder if Toro breaks down that often so the interchangeable parts is very important due to the design flawed already existed on the current model for the past 30 years. Based on engineering design and features as well as pricing comparison that already shown... Do you have test proof that you are able to share with us?
George W i have not used an Ego but i use the base model Toro personal pace gas mower everyday for commercial mowing and they are easily the best I’ve ever used. They run constantly, honestly I’ve never had one bog down and shut down. I understand the stress Test but most of us aren’t going to use these units like that on a daily basis. My toro deck has never cracked and the side chute really helps. The one thing i will say is i do wish they had bearings in the wheels. Interchangeable parts isn’t a must but I’d rather buy a junker for $50 and get tons of parts than pay retail and shipping. And if the metal deck did sustain damage it could be welded. If the plastic breaks it’s done.
Ashley Deacon i see the point of the strain test but most of us aren’t mowing grass like that on a daily basis. Furthermore it makes no sense for Toro to eliminate the wash port. That’s like a car manufacturer making the engine bay smaller for a 4 cylinder than a v8 of the same model car. Just because they can do it, doesn’t mean it makes the most sense. Ego only has part of the residential market. Companies like Stihl are making stuff not only of equal power to gas but better. Just because a company produces all their own parts doesn’t mean it’s the best. It just means they didn’t want to outsource. Toro took a mower that has been tested and used for years and offered up a useful variant. If the Ego deck cracks how do you fix it? Because if the toro cracks it can be welded. Not that it would need it I’ve stood on the mower deck and it doesn’t buckle.
I enjoyed the video. I was kinda wondering what the height setting for the Toro and Ego were for the stress test. I'm trying to decide between the two. What I like about the Toro is that it can go down to 1 inch, while the Ego will only go to 1.5 inch. Bermuda lawns love a low cut. But I know that half inch difference could incur more more stress on one mower vs the other if they were at their lowest respective settings.... I really wish that Ego went down to 1 inch, I would have already bought it.
Kite Army, I was “was” a Toro owner and I was pissed about your review. Yesterday I went out and bought the Ego. 1st I bought the last years Ego model and then I returned it for the 2020 Ego. Both 2019 and 2020 were more fun to operate than the Toro. I did hit a few stones today and it sounded horrible compared to the Toro or a single blade mower. The Ego out performed Toro in almost every category! Battery life and recharge!!! Easier to turn and slightly quieter. The pacesetter function wasn’t as much fun as the Ego self propelled. Psychologically the feeling of your body slightly being pulled forward cutting grass may make you a little less fatigued. Sorry for Ever Doubting you Kite Army!!! A Thousand Pardons!!!
No worries mate - All you can do is lead the horse to water. You are one smart horse to take a drink :)
Kite Army I can’t argue you took a lot of time to make this video for us so I thank you for that. Here is my thoughts on your points.
1. Wheels you are correct the Ego wins. Shame on you Toro.
2. 6.0ah battery compared to 7.5ah battery is not a huge difference as you state and for 150 dollars more seems like a rip off. Can’t argue about the rapid charging of the Ego being nice but some would argue trickle charging is better on the battery and promotes longer life even with lithium batteries.
3. Cables being loose on the Toro being bad. Have you seen the posts on Ego lawnmowers having issues with wires breaking. Could it be because of the restrictive cable housing and sharper bends created from that housing when storing actually making the much looser cabling of the Toro near the mower better for folding and storing?
4. Cut quality on UA-cam is almost always in favor of the Toro.
5. Your deep grass test has the Toro making the first cut with deep grass on both sides which is harder on a mower and the Toro has a faster self-propelled system feeding more grass into the system not to mention an 1.5 inch larger cut. A better test would be to have both do the test with both sides full of grass.
6. Personal preference but the LED lights are really strange and no one mows the lawn in the dark even with a quiet mower. The look of the Ego is like a cheap plastic looking child’s toy.
I own a Honda so I am not a Toro fan boy and just doing a lot of research before I give up on gas😊
@@Brian-Outdoors Great comment - make sure you look at the quality and performance of all the tools of each brand before you buy - This is another strength of EGO
Kite Army that is a great point. There line up of other battery tools is very impressive. Thanks for your comment.
I think the simple fact that you can self propel without using the blade is a very smart feature and makes the Toro look outdated in that regard.
Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.
I bought the Ego 3rd gen mower and used it the same day. I Had one patch of grass to cut before the mower stopped because it overheated. Granted, I had the mower very low(set to 2), It was at night so I was running the LEDs the whole time, and the grass was somewhat damp. I barely used the self-propel because this thing is so damn light you don't need it. it stalled out maybe 4 times while cutting my lawn. I'd say it did pretty good considering I was driving it pretty hard.
I sold my Toro gas powered mower. I now own the Ego battery powered mower. I can’t imagine any reason to go back to gas. Mowing in quiet is a pleasure.
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Good video, but I'd much rather see the mowers compared mowing a normal length lawn to see their quality of cut. Most people won't buy electric mowers to mow 10" tall grass.
They both cut well enough
@@Kitearmy which one is better? Double blade seems cool but is it really better or not?
@@leny7829 If you are a total lawnsmith yes - for most people it does not matter
@@leny7829 the Ego's cut quality is awesome, second only to reel mowers. While I don't know anyone with a Toro to compare it to, my neighbors have a gas Honda and a reel and my yard is in between the two for cut quality. My neighbor with the Honda even asks to borrow my Ego occasionally
As I look at electric mower tests only a few actually mow a typical lawn, and not one lawn has been in good uniform shape. Not one review has shown cut quality.
Thanks for the comparison. I threw away my Toro snow blower and have Ego. And recently threw away my Lawn Boy lawnmower and guess what, I have Ego. Now, I have two chargers and three batteries. Thumbs Up all the way!!!!
Right on
How does the EGO Select Cut compare to the Greenworks Pro 21 inch cordless 60v mower? Thanks for the great informative and entertaining vids.
Greenworks is okay - I would say they are in a different tier
Pass by one of the Home Depot in Canada today to get a price adjustment on the EGO inverter as the price has dropped from $149 to $98 and decide to check out both lawnmowers. I do like the idea that the Toro has the hose connection build in; however, would not want it on a metal deck and wish that the EGO has it even though I just the Worx Hydroshot that takes 30s to clean up the plastic deck of the EGO with a water bucket. I found that the individual wheel adjustment leaver actually stick out quiet a bit which may hinder close cut when it is at lower setting on the Toro. When I try to pull the rear bag out I notice that it requires more effort to putt the Toro's bag out while bending over on my back through the opening between the handle due to the bag handle is placed at the entrance of the bag and cause the bag to fall backward (back heavy) once is dislodged from the mower while the EGO's bag is perfectly horizontally balanced (and is the same when the bag is fully full on my older 21" mower) at all time and effortlessly to lodge and dislodge once the handle is swim forward effortlessly with the spring loaded handle. Since I own the older 21" EGO I know how easy it is to dump the grass into the waste bag because it is always horizontally balanced and I can hold the waste bag open in one hand and dump the grass easily with the other hand by tilting it forward ; however, the Toro bag must use two hands (one on the handle and one on the bottom of the bag to dump grass into the waste bag because it is always back heavy. On a windy day it's going to be difficulty to keep the yard waste bag open without been blown away while try to empty the bag with two hands. I also realize that with white color bag on Toro it is going to show grass stain pretty quickly compared with the black EGO bag.
I also was able to compare the Toro 600CFM with the (old) EGO 530CFM leaf blower and found that the plastic material on the Toro is like cheap and soft dollar store toy material and the part where two molds meets are not even complete sealed whereas the (old) EGO unit comes with hard strong plastic with the housing is fully sealed. I would not want to use the Toro unit to blow snow as I have been with my EGO 650CFM unit. The wet snow will definitely case a short circuit or worse, electrocution! No way the Toro would be a weather resistance unit... not with my life! I do like the front handle on the Toro unit that makes the handling easier ergonomically. EGO unit would need to flip side way to be able to be operated by two hands.
I hope EGO will make a small >30" battery riding mower since the Zero-Turn is just too big for my need and a small riding mower will make it more fun to mower (and maybe with a spreader attachment!).
Great summary - thanks for sharing
I bought the 2021 Toro and am happy with it. Ego is great and you cant go wrong. Go for the Ego if battery life is more important or if you want a lighter mower. Also Ego may be better if you cant mow the grass as recimmended. Toro is heavier and will sit squarely on the grass if its too tall thus stalling more. Why did i choose toro?
1. Steel Deck seems like it will still be here 10 years later.
2. Personal pace. My 9 year old son is helping to mow whenever he needs $$. He can walk at his pace.
3. I mow a 7000 sq ft lawn with one charge. I am planning to buy a second battery next season. If you dont plan to either buy a second battery in addituon to the 6 ah battery or getting the toro with the bigger battery, go for the ego. Batteries will decrease with time and the Ego has a bigger battery and charges quicker
Very reasonable points - I love personal pace as well. Though, I personally think after using both mowers that the EGO is better.
This is one of the very best videos I have seen , no nonsense and yak,yak,yak go right to the heart and does not waste time 5 stars.
Thanks mate!
What about cut quality while mulching at the highest setting? I’ll be honest, I’m not too worried about it bogging down in crazy tall grass as most mowers will never see that. Thx
I'm going to make a cut quality video - though we are getting some weird weather, so I will have to wait for the grass to thicken up
@@Kitearmy I'm just throwing this out there, but wouldn't a better comparison be with the same 7.5 battery in the Toro?
@@paulseverson2307 Yes - the Toro 7.5Ah is not available anywhere
I didn't have the new ego, but the ego 2101 did a horrible job mulching. Left a line of unmulched long grass blades along the wheel line on both sides. I returned it for the Toro Recycler as it has a better mulching rating. However the Toro only does a slightly better job. Disappointed in both. My old black and decker grass hog mulches grass into nearly invisible pieces. I hope I can fix it. I want to like the cordless mowers, but just too expensive for a sub par cutting job.
@@ScottDrolshagen The older EGO does not cut as well as this new model
Kite Army, are you going to review the 2021 Ego Select Cup XP model? It’s a small upgrade with a 10 aHr battery and even more torque (I believe 8.3 ft-lb). I have been a Toro user (most recently the TimeMaster 30” deck self propelled) but I think I am going to switch to Ego and go electric. Thanks for all your reviews...I enjoy them.
Thanks mate - I believe I'm going to take a look at the new model. Stay tuned, I have to grow some grass first :)
@@Kitearmy haha. Love it. You are one of the best...keep up the great work.
@@darylelafleur8325 Will do mate!
Always enjoy your reviews. I’ve been an EGO fanboy since I got my mower 3 years ago. I followed up with purchasing the blower, carbon fiber string trimmer, hedger, and 14” chainsaw. I have been doing lawn work for 30+ years, using all types and manufacturer’s equipment, and I can honestly saw that this line of equipment beats them all. So I recently upgraded the mower to the new Select Cut, because literally all of the little annoyances of my old EGO were resolved with the new SelectCut. At the time of my purchase I noticed the TORO model, and considered it for a moment, based solely on my experiences with gas TOROs I have used in the past. So I have been very eager to see a comparison, and you certainly put any of my doubts to rest that I made the right choice!
As for my other EGO products, my only regret is not going with the multi-head option on the string trimmer, mainly due to EGO’s recent release of the power sweeper attachment, which I would love to have over the power load feature on the carbon fiber trimmer (which is very awesome in it’s own right, but something I only utilize maybe 2-3 times a season when I install a new line). The only product of there’s that I have found that now gets beat, is their chainsaw, by Milwaukee’s new 18v 16” chainsaw. Leave it to Milwaukee to find a way to beat the power of a 56V 7.5ah battery with a 18v 8.0ah battery...but I put them both to the test on a recent fallen tree in my yard, and there was no comparison. That being said, I have not tried out their newer 16” or 18” chainsaws. At the end of the day, EGO does not rest on it’s laurels, and keeps improving their products, while everyone else is playing catch-up to their older models.
Thanks again for the review, and keep up the great work!
EGO gave the industry a wake up call and no one answered. I mean TORO had 5 years since the release of the EGO mower to make a decent cordless mower and this is what they came up with? It's just like how Tesla came into the auto industry and smacked everyone around. Thanks to these progressive companies, consumers win!
Kite Army Ironically, I worked for Tesla for 3 years in their Energy division. Hence, my propensity in having all-electric tools. As soon as that electric pickup becomes available I’m all over it!
@@AMIKconstruction Well it is an honor to have you here!!!
What do you think about reliability? I have a 15 year old Honda gas mower but, for my daughters home I am recommending she buy a battery powered mower. Any mechanical problems? Any parts, other than the blade of course) that seem to be wearing out?
@@edlibey8177 I have the 1st gen EGO SP mower. After 4 years, it had an erratic speed control issue cause by weakened wiring in middle of the handle (where it collapses to fold-up the mower for storage). After 6 weeks in the Service Center in AZ, EGO sent me a new replacement mower.
I just returned my ego select cut. The run time we got out of it was 35 to 50 minutes. If you ever tried using the bag on the ego it sucks. The crossbar is right in the middle and makes it difficult to take the bag off and on. The reason we had to return it is because the ego would get hot in turn off. I lean more towards the toro for the fact that if grass is high you can put the Discharge chute on the side of the mower. Not the rear. Ego does have a better charger. But if you plan to use the ego for bagging you will notice real quick that it is not designed for that. Also the blades are thinner on the ego
I have used the bag a few times and didn't even notice the cross bar - I will have to look at that. Also I have never used the chute on any mower since mulching became more popular - i feel like they lead to clumpy looking lawns
I believe the proper way for accessing the bag is by releasing the handle leaver and push the handle bar forward to have the full access of the bag. look forward to hearing your experience on the Toro once you used it. Since I only mulch this design done not effect me much. When I compared the EGO next to the TORO at HOME DEPOT I just can’t stand how cheap and flimsy TORO’s build quality is for them to ask for the higher price tag just because the brand name that has been around. To me it is a GM/Ford selling at Tesla’s pricing range and getting away with it. Only a few things I like about the design of the TORO: Big wheels (but they cheape on the ball bearing), shorter handle with no centre bar for easy bag access (but they cheap out on the handlebar material and release lever) and build in mulching flap (not sure how well it seals when compared with the insert type). I got excited when I saw the first preview on this Toro that has the metal deck then I remembered what my first metal deck lawn mower look like after a few years of use even though I kept everything in the garage.... RUSTY!
@@Jeo-What I did not include this in my video just because of time constraints but the Toro mulching flap is real jenky - you have to wiggle it a bit to activate.
Do you have a photo of what you were cutting??. I've never gotten less then 55 minutes out of mine, and that is running hard and heavy, cutting height 3" and grass at 7 to 8". I have never even had a stall out.. I'm with Kite Army on this one about the side shoot...it just makes a sucky looking lawn.. Never noticed anything bad about the bag. Even my Wife, likes mowing and has no problem whatsoever with the bag...No comparison between these two mowers, the EGO is by far superior//
@@eatmelily Strange - if the run time of the EGO was 35 to 50 minutes I bet then his Toro only runs for 15min
So I have the Ego and was seriously considering a switch, simply because I can't get a striping kit on my EGO. After watching this comparison video, I'm sticking with my EGO! I really want those lawn stripes, but it's more important to have a good performing mower! Thanks for a quick, simple review.
They sell a striping kit that can be adapted to the EGO
@@Kitearmy No way. I haven't found one yet. I also have been bugging Ego to have an official one to make sure I don't void my warranty. Can you point me in the direction of the one you're referring to?
@@GirLzLawn Sure - if you call them they can tell you which model will work with EGO. www.bigleaguelawns.com/
@@Kitearmy Awesome! Thank you!
@@GirLzLawn Sure
wow amazing. I actually just purchased lawn equipment and all by ego. Trimmer, blower, hedge trimmer, and edger. Looking into mowers and came across this review. I had no clue the ego mower was this good! Im really thinking about buying this mower now. Thank u for this review, it really does help
Glad to help!
Thanks for the side by side review. I was listing after the Toro, but now I am happy with my last gen Ego mower.
Right on
I bought my EGO mower 4 years ago. It does not create enough vacuum under the deck to lift tall fescue properly when mowing at the highest setting in the summer. My 7hp 190cc TroyBilt creates a lot more vacuum with a mulch blade than the EGO does with it's high lift blade. I have a 5000 sqft area of bermuda grass that the EGO gets used for. It cuts bermuda very well on the number 2 deck setting.
I have the EGO mower, the previous model. It sure is powerful. BUT.. compared to my Bosch Rotak it is kinda heavy to move and.. my main concern is: this EGO of mine does not pick up the grass (and leaves!) very well. It just blows it away! and that sucks. Hope this is better and cleaner with the new one. Then i might upgrade. It is always so handy for picking up leaves, but not this EGO. Ya.. it kinda works.. but around the edges is just blows it away and that is really annoying!
I believe that is why EGO released this mower, because they were getting some negative feedback from turfmasters on the cut quality of previous mowers. I was happy with both but I do see a huge improvement on this mower - only when my grass is really full and lush - end of growing season for me.
I have switched to the high lift blade and for the first time I tried bagging to test how difficult to access the bagging area as well as cutting down the dandelion flowers before the seeds flying to my neighbours. I was very surprised that the bag was full all the way to the top every time I pulled it open and the grass length were finer than the original stock blade. I am still waiting for someone who is daring enough to put the new dual blad (both combinations) onto the first generation 21 inch lawnmower and do a review on it.
@@Jeo-What Ah so it is better with a 'high lift blade' ? Going to order that then. Or i might sell the one and get the new two-blade EGO. But i am not sure how it will perform against the old one.. in terms of lift and even cutting result.
I begrudgingly bought the Ego. I only have 1/4 acre and it’s awesome! Light and easy to use. Even my kids want to mow now.
I know the feeling - except the kids wanting to mow part
Kite Army 😂😭🤣
I will admit: that didn’t last long but it was cool as long as it lasted.
So the EGO is better because you intentionally bought the Toro model with the smaller battery?
Great question. Trust me I would have bought the Larger battery in the Toro if it was available - BUT it would not have changed the outcome. Let me explain - the larger Ah does not change the power it just extends the run time. That is why I did a power test and not a run time test.
I think Home Depot has intentionally stopped sell this mower - OUT OF STOCK www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-22-in-Recycler-60-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Battery-Walk-Behind-Personal-Pace-Mower-7-5-Ah-Battery-Charger-Included-20366/308863114
What's a good product the coat the plastic mower with so it doesn't get sun faded?
Not sure - I just keep mine in the shed
I just bought the Toro with the 7.5Ah battery. I really was interested in the Ego but went with the Toro for two reasons. First was the fact that I can bring the Toro in for repair at any Toro dealer. I read that the Ego could be in for repair for up to 6 weeks. Second was the fact that I can flush out the underside of the deck. My present Toro always has mulched grass jammed up under the deck. Each buyer has their own reasons as to what they want in a mower. That being said the Ego quick battery charging is sweet as well as the duel blade on the Ego. Both of these mowers are a great choice. I will never be cutting a field like you did so that comparison is mute. I enjoy your reviews, as a matter of fact I just bought the Ego carbon fiber shaft string trimmer and the Ego 530cfm leaf blower.
Great comment - no problem on flushing either mower since they are battery powered - just flip them over and wash ;)
@@Kitearmy EGO manual specifically states not to use water to clean the deck
@@albertdutra4676 That's probably because lawyers have a concern that someone will wash it in a bathtub. I would say if you do it carefully it probably will not be a problem - BUT hey "DO AT YOUR OWN RISK" or better yet "HIDE UNDER YOUR COUCH AND WAIT FOR IT TO END"
@@Kitearmy This is the way you talk to your viewers when they question you. If the manual states don’t wash out the deck it could void the warranty. Not everyone gets these machines for free like you. I can’t stand this infomercial fool. Selling that snake oil.
@@hotwiredpc4079 you can’t stand me but you watch all my videos and leave endless comments. I need more KiteArmy hatters like you - make me rich.
I bought the Toro and have used it about 6 times on my acre yard. Too large a yard for a push mower but I'm selling the house and will be downsizing. The battery lasts for about 40 minutes. I really love the self propel function, its extremely intuitive. Very impressive. You walk faster and it goes faster, you stop and it stops, you slow down and it slows down. You don't have to give it any thought at all. I can't imagine having to adjust speeds with a throttle after using this. I also like the attachement for a water hose, makes it easy to clean. The battery takes a long time to charge. But after running it for 40 minutes and then another 15 with the Toro weed wacker battery I'm about to break for the day anyway. Seems well built and well thought out. I like battery much better than gas, I wear headphones and listen to podcast at a reasonable volume, this thing is very quiet.
Once you got Battery you never go back
Have you done a review comparing the two just cutting a normal lawn, and compare the quality of cut, or which do you like then?
I like them both - cut wise - but for features the EGO wins
Question of the day is would you pick the Toro over the Ego while the Toro is on clearance for $299? I never mulch so I'm not worried about bogging down.
Yes - I would jump on that - I could not find it for that price - please add the link
@@Kitearmy Here's the brickseek link. Put in your zip and search if they come up as in stock and show "clearance" as the price then it is $299. brickseek.com/home-depot-inventory-checker?sku=307978533. From a Slickdeals thread. Headed to a nearby HD in a few minutes to pick one up. My old Honda finally died yesterday.
Price is verified. Just got one for $299.
In heavy long grass the mowers should be set to side discharge. It is too much to ask them to mulch such long grass.
Right - now one in their right mind would use a mower as demoed in this video
Finally picked mine (well the first of) up yesterday and after fully charging the battery I went straight to town... This thing hangs with the very best consumer gas mowers and it is most definitely king of electrics in terms of performance and design.
In the interest of transparency, I did have to exchange my first one because it had a defect causing the rear right wheel to skip and bind during both SP and manual push modes. I removed the wheel and inspected the double gearing system and there were no signs of damage so I suspect the locking mechanism was defective and constantly engaging. My replacement works a charm!
It feels very solid and the handle design is among the best I've seen. On a full charge, in extremely heavy grass and weeds (15"+ growth) it plowed through for 52 straight minutes with only 3 stalls in conditions that would have stalled any gas mower. I only used the SP a few times, though, knowing the grass was too heavy and the battery may have struggled a bit... Still, 52 minutes is not too shabby! I think I can easily get the claimed 60 minutes during yard maintenance cycles.
I also picked up their redesigned trimmer with the PowerLoad feature and carbon fiber shaft. Haven't used it but it feels very comfortable and balanced. Will report back once I give it a go!
Nice - welcome to the club. I have not had any issues with my self propelled. It is the best I have used - most brands bind when pulling backwards like the Toro
@@Kitearmy got some trimmer time today... I'm an EGO fan for life! What a tool...
@@hotchalupa That's how it goes
Is is better to have a Self Cur or Self Propelled? I wish they would combine them both.
I would go self propelled
@@Kitearmy Thanks! I wish they would come out with the triple threat Ego Lawn mower which they don't have out now. Which is the Self Cut, Self propelled and Duel port. All of them out right now are missing one or two of the three.
@@jcorone2000 Hey you never know
@@Kitearmy One last question. Which is more important. The duel power which gives you more run time or the Select Cut? I have the duel power where you can put two batteries in but it doesn't have the Select Cut. The Select Cut doesn't have duel power. Which do you think is more important in your opinion?
@@jcorone2000 Select cut all the way - The select cut can mow about the same amount of grass as the dual battery - and the cut quality is the best
Now if the EGO was a 22" like the Toro is it would be different results! I owned the EGO and it had a lousy cut compared to the Toro period! That one inch makes more grass being cut mostly in the tall grass you did the test in. Did EGO pay you?
I love the EGO cut - sorry mate
I want to see how long you have to wait before the Toro battery has to cool off before charging
You can charge right away - but if they get too hot it can shorten the battery life
I got a Toro battery powered snow blower last year. Only tried it once. Mild Winter. I was thinking go Toro mower so I can use the same battery. But the Ego looks so much better. If I get a battery mower I'd go Ego
I agree with your thinking
awesome video!! you gained a sub!
Awesome, thank you!
But what about the dual battery version of EGO? It’s only a single blade? Does it cut better than this ego?
No the EGO select cut is the cleanest cutting battery mower
I have the older ego pushmower with 2.5 a battery, on my 3rd batt. our new house has a huge yard compared to before so I guess I'm buying a self propelled newer one. Originally was looking at going back to gas but the convenience of battery is tough to beat. You can't let your grass get 10 inches with a batt mower, thats the only thing and buying a new batt about every 3 years.
get a 10Ah battery
@@Kitearmy The idea of self propelled is calling me. I want to mow like a milenial. lol
@@williammorales8204 try the jet pack option then
Awesome video:)! Can count on you for the most useful information in the shortest amount of time and just the right amount of "REAL" enthusiasm!
Awesome, thank you!
Just an observation, with the Toro, is that the only charger they have, do they make a quick charger? I know the Ego comes with the quick charger which should be mentioned cause they are like 90 bucks, that is a great add on by Ego. I just got my Select Cut Ego today, of course its raining lol, cant wait to use it. Love your channel.
Any word on an Ego snow blower upgrade or maybe an Ego pressure washer?
Thanks so much - I love making these reviews!
Slower you charge the better for the battery
I bought a Toro Super Recycler gas mower 2 years ago. I bought gas, because electric mowers did not have the same torque/suction for bagging/mulching/sucking up leaves. The Toro is strong and is holding up fine, but... it is a "loud" 100 lb beast. Also, I really don't like wearing ear protection and know I should. So electric here I come. What I really don't like about Toros, and still don't, is the 4 separate wheel height adjustments needed. I cut/mulch at 4" for a better look, especially when the yard is dry and off season. I bag, leaves, grass, etc. curbside and on sidewalks at 1." The up and down height adjustment is a pain! Also, the newest Toros still need a mulching plug (no slide adjustment) and don't have ball bearing wheels!!
For us northerners we need to look at the whole package of lawnmower and snowblower. When I buy I want to make sure I get the best of both worlds without having to buy 2 brands and have separate battery chargers. Any thoughts on my dilemma?
Yes - I agree with you. If you really need snow removal power make sure you check out the EGO 2-stage mower
I've owned an Ego for a few years and its amazing. worth the money
Amen brotha
It would be nice to hear the mowers run. I'll be honest, that music is aweful but music is tough to pick on YT. Thanks for the video. Very informative. I'm sold on ego. I just picked up the 650 blower and 18" chainsaw. They are awesome. Trimmer is next and then mower.
Yeah some of the royalty free music is bad - glad the info was good
actually you are right about hearing them run but if you want that there is plenty of more in depth reviews on most products.. i watched Paul S review the toro vs a Husqvarna and after hearing the Husqvarna as it went through the thicker grass i didnt even want to consider buying it anymore. The toro sounded much more powerful and cut way better
Bought this EGo Select Cut on April 24. Wouldn't start up on May 24. I tried to troubleshoot it. Learned it takes about 3 weeks for a turn around time for repairs (they are sent to Atlanta). Exchanged it for the same model since it's only a month old. Hopefully this was just a fluke. Will come back to post here if there are any more issues. Loved the comparison review, BTW.
Will love to hear your feedback - could you just return at home depot?
@@Kitearmy Yes, Home Depot exchanged it for the same model since it was exactly a month it went bad. The indicator was an amber light which meant it was high temp on the battery. But the battery was fully charged and it was a 67 degree day. It was off the charger for some time. Anyway, like I said, it looks like this was just a fluke seeing the number of people here that have had theirs for years.
I enjoy your videos.
This comparison is based on the standard package.
But we want to see your results on how the mowers perform if the Batteries were Equaled !
Was your focus on the
Oranges
or
the Apples ?
9;20 - bigger Battery
9;50 - mentioned again - Batteries are different.
Can you please do a more accurate test with the larger Toro Battery ?
I would love to - but those batteries are not available
I was debating between the Ryobi self propelled or the Ego. Planning on purchasing the Ego in a few weeks. Thanks for the review.
lots of stuff on sale now - see my latest video on how to get deals
I like your Video Kitty army very interesting . I would like to See you do both lawn mowers with the Same battery Power too really thanks
Yeah that would be great
I’ve owned the Toro Personal Pace gas powered mower. It performed well. However, I renamed it to the Toro Personal Push mower because that was what you had to do. Fast-forward to now. When I read about the Ego battery powered mower I bought one instantly. It performs flawlessly. It cuts well. It’s very easy to store as it doesn’t need to sit horizontally. The best part is I don’t have to push it like I did with the Toro. I’ve owned Toro mowers since the 1980’s and they’ve proven to be a quality mower. However when Toro introduced the Personal Push, sorry Pace, I just wasn’t a fan. Ego is the only mower for me. Cheers!
I'm with you - not to mention no more difficult to start engines
You are excellent I like all your videos
Thank you so much 😀
Why didn't you use side discharge on both?
I mulch
Fantastic video! I just found you channel! I really appreciate the enthusiasm!!! Subscribed!
Welcome aboard!
I noticed that you changed a blade on the EGO to the gater type blade. Do you find it works better than the setup out of the box? Debating trying it out on mine.
I did not change for this video - but the second blade is the "bagging" blade that will help dice up the lawn into smaller pieces. I'm going to make a video demonstrating that...
@@Kitearmy Thanks for the response. Mowed my grass at 3" the other day and noticed some places or blades of grass that were not cut. Grass wasn't overly high or damp. Tried overlapping more but had the same problem. Only the second cut using the mower so far.
I'm not convinced that a battery mower cuts as cleanly as a gas mower. Can you do the same test with the ego and a HRX217VKA? That would be a very helpful. Thanks.
That would be fun to see, but no battery powered mower could come close to that. They aren't intended to. They are intended to be cleaner, lighter, easier, cheaper over the long run and lower maintenance. And of course, they have to do a fair to good job of mowing the lawn.
The Honda HRX217VKA has a 201cc engine that puts out 4.1kW. If you do the math on the battery vs. run-time of the Ego (7.5Ah at 56V translates to 0.42kWh), we can determine that the Ego is using less than 0.38kW as it runs... Less than 1/10th the power of the Honda.
There are all sorts of reasons to go with battery powered tools over gas-powered ones, depending on the use-case. But cutting cleaner and/or doing a better job are not two of them.
GreenWorks PRO 60v 25” mower. Can you do a review of this one? 25 in and dual battery sounds good. Thanks Andrew.
Wow - that looks like it might be worth a look at
Can you do a comparison of cut quality for a normal cut? I understand the power comparison but quality of cut under normal conditions is more important. Do the mower leave Mohawks, do they have sufficient vacuum, mulching, etc. Those are comparisons I would welcome. Thanks.
Absolutely
I have been thinking of replacing my 21 year old gas mower with a battery operated but I keep thinking if it breaks can it be fixed? What is the life expectancy of these mowers?
I would say about the same as a gas - 5 to 10 years
My Toro Personal Pace Recycler is going on its18th year. Never been in the shop...starts 1st or 2nd pull.
@KiteArmy: Are you in anyway compensated by EGO for your reviews and comparisons?? I love your reviews but since EGO products keep coming out on top, I had to ask. Please let me know.
Thanks for the support!
Why is it that the toro battery no load voltage is 60V, but yet you used 56V in the power calc. but you didn’t do that for the Ego battery?
that is what it says on the battery - ask Toro
Ego is great on longer grass but not as efficient on shorter grass. I try to cut my Bermuda grass a couple times per week as it is not recommended to cut more than 1/3 of the grass blade at a time.
I know you try to make these tests similar and fair, but I noticed you did not start the EGO in uncut grass but started in the cut section that the Toro had just completed. That made it so the EGO had about a 10 to 15% lower work load from the beginning. You over lapped the cut grass with the EGO making it easier to cut.
I would like to see the same test done with the EGO going first and the Toro following. Cutting through a full deck of grass take a great deal more power even with gas mowers. I do think the 7.5 amp EGO battery has more power than the Toro 6.0 amp so the EGO should win the competition but I feel the Toro had the bigger disadvantage.
I appreciate your videos you take a great deal of time and effort to set things up and I know its hard work, so thank you!
True - I had a video of them cutting side by side and the Toro always died first - maybe I will post
The Toro still stalled 4 times on the return trip when it had a wheel overlapping and the grass that the ego cut was longer. Also the Toro is 60v so it should have the power advantage, the larger battery on the Ego is to let it cut a bigger yard, it doesn't give it more power.
You work for Ego
Right - are you listening EGO - send me some cash. Thanks Andre 😉
Man that was sure a decided test! I love things like that. Good job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video Andrew I wish you would have compared the 7.7 ah to the 7.5 ah though. I picked up a Ego mower to play around with and have been really happy with it so far. I'll have to put it through some tests like you've done!
They didn't have the 7.5 model in stock - Keep in mind the larger only adds run time not power - that is why i did not test run time in this video
@@Kitearmy makes sense to me!
@@Kitearmy More cells in parallel will often sag less (the voltage will remain higher under high load). Its quite possible the cells of the larger pack are capable of higher sustained discharge. This would likely present as the voltage sagging on the pack and then the motor drawing higher current before stalling due to over-current protection, like where you went through the thick grass. It's possible here that the 7.5 Ah pack would stay at a high enough voltage that lower current could be drawn in this scenario and the mower wouldn't stall. How much of a difference this would have would need to be tested. The main takeaway though is that battery capacity can most certainly have an affect on output power and it cannot be assumed the 7.5 Ah pack would perform identically.
@@tcv4 I think that is fair - I guess I could use the 10Ah on the Ego to have more power. The real problem here is that the 7.5Ah Toro battery is not available.
As I pay more attention to the detail of the drive train area I noticed that the driving motor on the Toro looks like the discontinued/defective unit (box shape) that EGO has stopped using on their current production. Would you be able to verify that?
I know that on the Select Cut EGO reworked from the ground up the self propelled system - not sure that answered your question
The Toro does not use an independent drive motor. That box you see is the "transmission" that drives the rear wheels from a belt that is driven by the primary motor. This is the same method they have used for something like 20 years on all their personal pace self propelled mowers.
Love your videos. All they make me think is boy I’m glad I have a gas mower lol.
Funny thing I think the opposite every time I see a gas mower in a smoky cloud
You sir are part of the air and noise pollution problem but fortunately most places aren't selling gas powered mowers anymore and I hope you were just joking. lol
Please, Get to the point you want to make, DO NOT REPEAT WORDS! Short and sassy no screaming and no repeating. Otherwise, you have the content, just that your delivery is challenging. Thanks!
DO NOT REPEAT WORDS! DO NOT REPEAT WORDS! DO NOT REPEAT WORDS!
I hope this ego mower has reliable self propelled units on it because gen 2 did not. I bought two select cut mowers for my business they are really good so far.. hope that self propelled unit holds up.
Supposedly the self propelled was rebuilt from the ground up - have you noticed that their is no reverse lock out?
With so many people and UA-cam reviewer praising about the ease of access to the catching bag of the TOTO and complaining about the EGO design I decided to try it on my 21 inch first generation lawnmower for the first time since I only mulch to enrich the grass and not my own visual pleasure and this is what I found:
Of course it is difficult to access the bag from the top on the EGO because the bar is there however with one lever mechanism design on the handle bar I only need to press the leaves effortlessly and move the entire handlebar forward to have way wider access than bending my back to pickup a heavy fully loaded bag on the Toro unit that require the operator to operate through the handle bar( and potentially break their back!). I also realize the reason TORO has such design is because they are not willing to put in extra materials to rovide telescopic handle bar so it can be shorter in height when the lawnmower is in folded vertical position. Toro makes two small levers (plastic) to be turned before the operator is able to fold the handle bar which may not be operable when wearing gloves while EGO provides one nice spring loaded long handle to do the job effortlessly. This shows me who is thinking more about the consumer’s pocketbook and who is thinking more about the consumer’s health. I love how TORO continues to do reverse engineering on EGO products to find where they can cut corners while selling their products at higher price to their vast blind loyal followers into their financial slaughterhouse.
Great comment. I have never even thought about the bar in all the years I have used this mower. Just never seemed to be a problem for me.
I feel like the EGO is a bit gimicky with the lights. Here are a few points I think that were missed.
-Bag install/removal, very easy on the Toro, the EGO you have to go from underneath the handle, bending over more and likely spilling more clippings.
-Thickness of the side of the deck being steel vs composite, IE how close it actually cuts around borders, fences, against walls, etc. I notice with my composite deck Honda HRX217 (looks similar wall thickness of the deck compared to the EGO) that I have to pay more attention to how trim around edges because it simply doesn't cut as close to the edges as my old Toro did.
-By the looks of the mowers the shorter wheel base on the toro looks like an HUGE advantage for maneuverability. Ball bearings rust, plastic wheels don't. My old Lawn Boy and Toro had the type of wheels, they lasted a very long time and are likely considerably cheaper to replace when needed.
-Also, how often does a person really adjust the height of their mower? I feel like the EGO system is more likely to break.
To me it seems there is heavy bias to the EGO in this video. Especially when the comment was made towards the Toro about the deck being the same as the gas models. The mode of blade drive doesn't matter, the deck makes all the difference in suction, mulching and cut quality...which Toro has been the top tier for decades.
The headlights are gimicky but most of the other features are useful. But if you like a barebones mower the Toro is for you - but they should price it at $300. BTW - I adjust my mower height all the time
Kite Army ummm, according to Home Depot the Toro is $100 cheaper than the EGO. I don’t know that a mower like that should be $300. Especially being made in the USA vs China..... IMO the ease of the bag install and removal is more of a benefit than the height adjustment. Also having a dealer network like toro does is another huge advantage. The deck is tried and true, class leading mulching and bagging.
@@cpftank09 I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the mower says "made in PRC" all over it - not sure that is the USA. I didn't say that in the video because I didn't want to hurt any Toro fans feelings - but, we must face this truth....
Kite Army interesting, I wonder why their site and others say it’s made in the USA? Maybe just “assembled”? I am curious to see the cut quality though. I’m somewhat disappointed in my Honda with the composite deck, my old lawn boy and toro cut better I feel.
- I never use the headlight feature for cutting the lawn; however, when I loan the self-propelled lawnmower (set to lowest speed) to my elderly neighbor who requires a walker to go up and down hills for day and night walk or getting garbage can to and from the hilly curbside it become an amazing feature! It's like Daytime Running Light when he use it for a short walk around the neighborhood and if he gets tired he can just sit on it (maybe I will get a seat cushion to put on top of the battery cover from AMAZON). All the neighbors are amazed abut the feature and it cost a lot less than an electric walker. It's his new best friend when I am not cutting the lawn. I never thought a lawnmower can be used as a safty medical equipment! EGO should build a smaller (white) unite without the mower section to the elderly people... I bet I will be able to sell it like hot cake!
- The proper way of install/removal the bag on EGO is to press the arm handle latch (effortlessly) and swing the entire arm forward (effortlessly) so you will have WAY EASIER ACCESS WITHOUT BENDING (AND HURTING) YOUR BACK WHILE LIFTING HEAVY OBJECT like the fully loaded lawnmower bag. EGO cares for your back in their design... Toro cares to cut cost and make you "BEND OVER"!!! I broke my back once long ago and will never consider that is a good feature on Toro! Only benefit of this feature on Toro is to benefit the Dr. in the future.
- Thickness of the deck side wall both have their pro and con. Steel is thinner, heaver and harder and can cut closer but can (and did on my old mower) scratch and rust easier. Double wall composite is thicker, lighter, more flex and can not cut as close but will never rust after been scratched (like my current EGO).
- I like the shorter wheel base as well ;however, the sealed ball bearings does not rust out (haven't heard from any 1st generation old EGO owner complain about it yet)
- I use the height adjustment EVERY TIME after finishing the cut to make it flat to the ground (1/2 second vs 4 second which is a 800% more efficient design. Imagine you can do everything 800% more efficient in your life!) so it is at it's flattest profile when I put it up against the wall vertically for storage. It's an excellent feature once you have it... but I will never do that if I have a Toro or at least not enjoying doing it.
- Toro has been top for decades... but not forever. History tells for all countries, companies or athletes there is a prime time before someone take over its place regardless how long it takes. Perhaps why every auto company is trying to catchup to Tesla (I don't personally need one, own one or want one) after "top tier for decades" of success!
I appreciated how you pointed out one wheel had ball bearings and the other didn’t
Thanks mate - it's the little things
Anyone who watches this channel knew who the winner would be without clicking on the link. Not a word on Cut Quality in mulching mode? The Ego has dual blades they claim for a better mulch. Release the results as that is what these two mowers tout, not cutting an overgrown field as seen.
True - EGO has won me over by making excellent products - Also, there is only so much you can cover in 10 min
Agree, I only found one Ego video that considered cut quality. I love the line trimmer so I keep looking at the mower but I cant bring myself to pay a premium price for an average cut.
@@Kitearmy Yep, and most of your mower reviews were over 10 minutes, so I'm looking forward to the followup.
My 80v kobalt max 22 inch self propelled rocks those
yeah. no. Lowes even discontinued the Kobalt in favor of the EGO
I have used the Ego and the backup issue you nailed Toro on is way worse with the EGO, Toro slows down due to personal pace and is much more manageabke, and the Ego keeps spinning like mad. Also, who leaves grass that high? Not a relevant comparison. Not sure I would ever need headlights, and who cares that Toro used their impressive metal deck vs a flimsy plastic deck? Not a fan of this biased review
Totally biased - I have tested over 20 cordless mowers
We got plastic. You made that comparison hilarious. All in, thanks for the information.
PLASTIQUE
I own a couple of ego products and they are very good. Customer service is excellent!!
Currently I own a lawnmower,hedge trimmer and I just added an edged cant wait to use it.
I’m thinking of replacing my gas blower with an ego soon
Right on!
From what I have researched, Ego does not back up their product when things go wrong. You are left holding a $600 bag of nothing. What I want to know is, can I fix it if the mother board somehow gets fried, or a wiring harness opens somewhere. I only look at the negative reviews on a product that has been out long enough to get proper negative reviews.
I think you are right...if you have a problem with either mower you are stuck. That being said there is not much to break
I think the outcome would be similar but if you think about it the Toro was cutting more grass during the initial cut through. The subsequent passes had some overlap onto the previously mowed area.
yep - but I have other video that proves that theory wrong
What type of gimbal are you using to record?
Gopro
@@Kitearmy Thanks!
Have you ever used a cell phone gimbal?
@@RichieColemanSr No - too bulky
If you're cutting that high with the Toro you should really be using the side discharge chute
I could see that - but some want to mulch
After unsuccessfully trying to get my old troy-bilt back to life I finally gave up and bought that Ego. Its 100 times better than the gas/steel. Light weight, no winterizing, no sparks, no gas, no oil, just clean up and stand up or hang up to store away and place the battery in the charger. Soooo ridiculously easy. I'm glad I waited till the 2020 model came out. Oh yeah and a 5 year warrantee on mower and 3 year on battery and charger. You can add another, 3 year extended, home depot warantee for $100, which I didn't add.
Can you compare the ego to the kobalt?
Sure
@@Kitearmy Thanks!
appeared not to be a complete full width cut with the Ego so not totally buying the comparison for now, I'm inclined to think a steel deck can take a lot more hits when cutting around landscape objects where as the Ego seems a little cheesy with all the plastic.. As far as the control cables, I like the idea of having them somewhat expose like on the Toro as sooner then later they will need to be replaced and it looks a heck of a lot easier to access them compared to the Ego.. Last but not least,, there are many Toro dealers in my area and I have no clue where to find an Ego dealer so any warranty or repair work could become problematic. Since I would most likely be doing my own repair work,, it's certainly convenient to have a local dealer available for when I need some replacement parts..
Sounds like Toro is your mower (for what it's worth, I sold mine and kept the EGO)
@@Kitearmy forgot to say thanks for the terrific video,,, since I'm in the market it's a great starting point. would love to see more battery powered mowers with slightly larger decks in the area of 24-28 inches.. they would have an instant advantage in my view. Thanks again
@@garyblizzard3916 Greenworks makes a larger deck - I reviewed it - i would say it is okay
Great review but I do think whatever mower is going 1st is usually going to be at a disadvantage in a bog down test unless the 2nd mower is starting in area that mirrors what the 1st mower has to cut.
Great review... I've had a 40V Craftsman with the two 10" staggered blades for about 6 years now, but the batteries are not easy to find (cheaply) anymore and the ones I have are no longer lasting very long. I also don't like the 2 small blades attempting to work as a larger single (or dual as is the case with the Ego or some Hondas). It makes for some uneven cuts. I was looking into the new version of the Greenworks 21" self-propelled with dual-battery capabilities (something my Craftsman also has and I appreciate), which is currently on sale for $449 at Lowes. However, I think you've sold me on the Ego, despite it being $150 more. My local HD has 5 in stock... I better run over there!
Let us know how you like it
Another great video, but I'm still waiting for you to make a kite-propelled lawn mower video. Also, I"m still waiting for Ego to produce a lawn mower with weighless turning ability enabled by hoover technologies. I want to turn a lawn mower around 180 degrees with just my pinky.
Thanks mate - would that pinky be your bad finger
The Ego is amazing, just used mine for the first time yesterday the cut was amazing plus it looks cool.
Looks like a mower from the Jetsons
I returned mine because even on the highest setting it was still cutting my tall fescue to low
@@americantroy77 How tall do your normally cut to?
Kite Army 4 inches roughly
I believe you are the first one to show us the crappy wheels and charge time, good job !
I was truly surprised that the Toro did not have bearings
@@Kitearmy you are right, Toro does not have bearings...maybe they ran out of them.... LOL!
@@Jeo-What It's strange since they are so all about the metal deck and then they just put on a plastic wheel
Kite Army cheap out on where customers cannot see! Now why would anybody trust and respect a company who does that unless they are just blind loyalists.
My plastic wheels are going on 10 years and work fine. How long is that $350 battery going to last using a quick charger? Are you sure those bearings will last longer?
ENGINERS on the EGO Battery Lawn Mower are Top Gun and actually worked on their product being and excellent Mower.
Yes sir
Pretty neat to see the grass test, i dont think my lawn will ever be that high.
best to never let it get that wild
I think there was a problem with the tall grass test. The first pass with the Toro was with uncut grass on all sides of the mower. This caused the grass clippings to be trapped under the deck until the motor stalled. The Ego first pass should have been made under the same conditions. Instead, the Ego first pass was made with 2 wheels and some of the deck in the pre-cut grass. At 8:04 of the video you can see how clippings can escape from the mans left while the mowing swath is about 20 percent less in width.
I wish i included the mowers cutting side by side - the toro died 10x in a row
Wich blade was used for the test on the EGO? The mulching or high lift blade?
It was the pre-install mulching blade - I have never mowed with the high lift "bagging blade"
When it comes to battery electric lawn equipment, EGO is in a league of their own. Hands down they are the best. I personally own the trimmer/edger combo, blower, and hedge trimmer. I sold all of my gas powered hand tools.
Do you own a mower?
@@Kitearmy I don't push.haha The only mower that I own is a John Deere Z910.
Whoo ! Class act on the wheels LOL . THANKS MAN!
Any time!
60mins pero charge is that right
about
i bought a used 2004 yardman for $25 with a 6.5 brigs on it 6 years ago ...changed oil twice and it still has more power than those...starts with one pull...i did sharpen blade 2 times and cleaned air filter once... live in sw florida use to cut lawn 24 times per year... But eletrics are cool just over priced... in three or 4 years they should be better and cheaper imo..
Yep!
Compare apples and apples. 7.5 amp to 6 amp. Toro has a 7.5 amp also. This was an ad for EGO. Also where can you get servicing for both? No reviews ever mention this.
Sure - but EGO sells a 10Ah battery
Not a fair comparison. EGO has the power and torque of gas. So you have to compare EGO to a GAS mower.
Also, it's 2020. Why would Toro make a mower with 4 adjustments handle for the height and 2 screw type handlebar height adjustment.
Totally not fair - Sorry Toro. Try this video: ua-cam.com/video/OwNXchsxLY0/v-deo.html
Like the bearings in the EGO wheels but how long to they put up with grass juice and being washed? I am a fan of bearings, BTW...just curious. I'm assuming that both mowers were set at the same cut height? Another great review Andrew! For us Canadians, these electric mowers are SO bloody expensive though 😣 I wan't one really bad but...well...you know the story...$$$.Cheers, John ;)
Yeah - nothing sneaky in the video like height settings - look at the side by side. Don't worry my friend, they are getting cheaper every year.
My 1986 Lawn Boy has wheels with bearings and they are the originals. They roll like new. I grease them as needed(They have grease zerks) and thats it.
@@markschommer7407 These new bearings are sealed and theoretically do not require greasing
@@markschommer7407 That''s cool that they thought of the ability to grease them!..smart! Thanks for your comment...1986...wow!
@@Kitearmy I've had sealed bearings on skateboards, r/c cars and on the deck of my electric tractor. They all eventually get fouled and blow up. With my skateboard, I peeled the seals out and cleaned the bearings and regreased them and they came back to life. Sometimes you don't notice that the bearings are going or gone until it's too late though. I suppose the quality of the seal would make a difference too. I do like the feature that the wheels have bearings just the same.
Toro makes best in class mowers
Ego makes over priced machines
At least the parts of the toro (deck, drive train, blades, self propel) are interchangeable with the gas mowers so they don’t cost a fortune to replace
Also why don’t you open the side exit on the Toro? It’s a cut test, not a mulching test. Do the same on the Ego, oh wait you can’t bc that’s not an important feature apparently
Colton Brown mulching puts the motor under the most strain so it’s a better test to see durability of the motor. Toro just plonked another manufacturers battery system (most likely stably black and decker) onto their frame. And they didn’t think to blank off the wash port. Ego make all their own products with the exception of the cells in the battery and chainsaw bars and chain. Considering all Ego do are battery powered OPE they are the industry leading brand in battery OPE. Toro are just trying to capitalise on an already overcrowded market. Simple things like ball bearing wheels make a big difference.
I agree that the cut quality should be more in-depth on the review and yes the parts are interchangeable when someone already own an old Toro unit; however, I have to wonder if Toro breaks down that often so the interchangeable parts is very important due to the design flawed already existed on the current model for the past 30 years. Based on engineering design and features as well as pricing comparison that already shown... Do you have test proof that you are able to share with us?
George W i have not used an Ego but i use the base model Toro personal pace gas mower everyday for commercial mowing and they are easily the best I’ve ever used. They run constantly, honestly I’ve never had one bog down and shut down. I understand the stress Test but most of us aren’t going to use these units like that on a daily basis. My toro deck has never cracked and the side chute really helps. The one thing i will say is i do wish they had bearings in the wheels. Interchangeable parts isn’t a must but I’d rather buy a junker for $50 and get tons of parts than pay retail and shipping. And if the metal deck did sustain damage it could be welded. If the plastic breaks it’s done.
Ashley Deacon i see the point of the strain test but most of us aren’t mowing grass like that on a daily basis. Furthermore it makes no sense for Toro to eliminate the wash port. That’s like a car manufacturer making the engine bay smaller for a 4 cylinder than a v8 of the same model car. Just because they can do it, doesn’t mean it makes the most sense. Ego only has part of the residential market. Companies like Stihl are making stuff not only of equal power to gas but better. Just because a company produces all their own parts doesn’t mean it’s the best. It just means they didn’t want to outsource. Toro took a mower that has been tested and used for years and offered up a useful variant. If the Ego deck cracks how do you fix it? Because if the toro cracks it can be welded. Not that it would need it I’ve stood on the mower deck and it doesn’t buckle.
I never use the side chute - you tend to get lines of clumpy grass. But if you need a side chute Toro's your mower!
OK, I just bought yesterday and I will try it later this week end.
Great - welcome to the club - let us know how it works out for you
The link you provided shows the ego priced at $779 has it gone up that much or was the price you showed a special?
Amazon changes prices - buy at home depot
I enjoyed the video. I was kinda wondering what the height setting for the Toro and Ego were for the stress test. I'm trying to decide between the two. What I like about the Toro is that it can go down to 1 inch, while the Ego will only go to 1.5 inch. Bermuda lawns love a low cut. But I know that half inch difference could incur more more stress on one mower vs the other if they were at their lowest respective settings.... I really wish that Ego went down to 1 inch, I would have already bought it.
I set both mowers low - probably about 2 inch