Even though it's not a battle, anybody can be an opponent when trying to put your way on the table and win. You have to understand that in negotiation, you are trying to make the other person understand why your way is better for both of you while also grasping their way to come out with a satisfactory answer and solution to the reason of negotiation.
Not always, sometimes one person is right and you have to accept it, you can't tell 2+2 isn't 4, it's not possible and you should stop making own teories if someone is right. Many people especially from us (like karens) can't accept the truth.
Wellllll its mostly making the other person THINK that its gonna be a win win when in reality its a huge win for you and a rather small win for the other person
Since this video I get all my coke from my dealer at half off. Thank you FBI. I just make sure I do a line before I go to meet up so I am happier which makes me 30 percent smarter. This is amazing.
I did a line while reading this but coke h a s lost it's MOJO in the past 9 months or so, maybe even longer.so... instead of coke, I am a huge supporter of moun-tan-dooo! Ya know what I'm talking bout..;] I get jakked up! I much happier and focused like a MF'er but I am about 30% dumber so the trade off is not as great....
I'm genuinely rethinking every conversation I've ever had! The distinction between "that's right" and "you're right" is such a subtle yet powerful insight. And the whole concept of starting with "no" instead of pushing for a "yes"? Mind-blowing! I've always thought of negotiation as a tug-of-war, but this video paints it more as a dance of understanding and empathy. Definitely going to be more mindful in my next negotiation. Thanks for these game-changing insights!
Negotiation means that (at least) two parties have something to offer to each other, both knowing the value of what they have to offer. If not, it's not negotiation, but one party wanting something from the other for the lowest price possible. You really think that you're negotiating about your salary with a new employer? Hell no, the position between an employer and an employee is not balanced: He knows you need the job and uses that knowledge to reduce your price. Things as 'that's right' and 'you're right' are used to take you into a yes-flow. When someone has you in a yes-flow it's nearly impossible to escape from that (you basically already agreed on everything being said to you). Try 'I understand what you're saying' instead, that always gives you the option to disagree without being contradictive: 'I understand what you say, I simply don't agree with it'. Never explain why you don't agree, it's a trap. Someone just tried to convince you of his opinion, you don't agree with it and suddenly they're interested in your opinion? That's suspicious, don't give that opening: You have the right to not to express your opinion.
@@Random_user_8472 what about in a situation where you cannot just avoid expressing your opinion as you’ve understood and disagreed with there’s? I feel you must have to give reasons for contradicting otherwise you won’t be agreed with
@@chidiutoraphael6059Why would you want people to agree with you in the first place? Because they want you to agree with them? You always can avoid expressing your opinion, even if people ask for it: I have the right to express my opinion and with that I also have the right to not to express my opinion. Freedom of speech is a right, I can decide not to use that right at certain moments and that will be my decision only (unless I'm being tortured, I too have my boundaries lol).
@@Random_user_8472If you negotiate a new car price, and they tell you to get the F out, but sell it to you, and leave the room without saying thanks for the transaction, you have gotten the best deal you could possibly get. Just say No to everything. No paint protection, no warranty upgrade, no paying for the engraved numbers on the windows, nothing. In fact, you should state they should have paid YOU for destroying and scribbling on your windows. Then, when they go through their rehearsed sales pitch, look at the pictures on the walls, your phone, yawn, whatever. Then ask, "are you done?" If the sales person confirms, you say" No to all of that, I'm not paying for anything extra". They might try the rehearsed so each again, just stick to the same "No...". Eventually they will start considering giving up. That's when you say " There is many dealers selling this exact same car..., do you want to sell it to me at NET cost without any extras or not?" And of course, make sure you get all the rebates, no trade of rebates vs better financing rate, or any if that B's. Simply say "I won't accept a financing rate any higher than 5%, now are you going to sell the car to me or not?" They will, as it will still add to their monthly number, so eventually, they will give up. If you want to yank their chain a little extra, ask "how much is the monthly check you are sending me for driving around with these advertisement licence plate frames of yours?" "Oh, nothing is it?" Ok please have them removed before delivery, or I will considering it vandalizing of my property, and I will press charges accordingly."
Wow, fascinating! I was a bit sceptical due to the title of the video, but the lessons are top notch! 1. Understand first -> this means: listen. Rather than trying to react/answer, just listen. 2. Negotiation is not a battle -> it is not about getting what I want, or what you want, but rather finding a third thing and getting it. The example with splitting the chocolate between 2 children is amazing - let one child split it and the other one pick first. I remember now we did this with my cousin or my sister when we were children. :D It gave some strange power and felt reasonable and fair. Also, mirroring it important - repeat key words (e.g. in a question, addressing them), pause for 4 seconds and let the mirroring do its job. 3. Tactical empathy + defusing negatives -> both rely on labelling. Label what I observe/heard/saw/heard/understood... 4. Start with "No" -> that's right. I noticed that when I said "yes" right away, I felt trapped, without control. Of course I could change it (some people do when they realize what they agreed to), but then I would not behave like the person I want to. Saying "no", however, gives more power. Changing the "no" to "yes" later would be a great gift for the other side. But if I cannot change it, I'll stick to the "no" and wouldn't be forced to do something I did not think through. 5. "That's right" -> I knew about this from a course. I think it was given as an example exactly from Chris Voss' book "Never split the difference - negotiate as if your life depends on it". "That's right" is different than "you're right". Why? Think about it - it is easy to grasp. :D
I sometimes use “You’re right” when agreeing with someone’s point, I also use “That’s right” for the same thing then giving reasons why they are not entirely right after it
The one thing that i discovered throughout my life is Be an observer Know how to manipulate in a positive way Appreciate people before you place your deal You will get what you want
It’s wrong to fight for what you want in negotiations. I believe everyone should win. I’m a business owner and hate it when someone tries to talk down my price especially after the projects is complete. In fact after the miserable experience of trying to get them to pay me I refuse to do business with them again. I have plenty of great customers who treat me fairly and don’t need people who “try to get the best deal at my expense”
I have learned over the years the people that try to get a better deal in the beginning are doing just that trying to get a better price. It’s the one that wait until you started the work or at the end are just trying to get out of paying you . They are like the people that eat there happy meal and then want there money back because it what they ordered. So when they act like that demand your money and show them the door.
They should strike out the phrase “cheap and best” once and for all. If the commodity or service is great, the price should be proportionate and vice versa.
Never split the difference is by far my favorite business book. It has done so much for my career, highly recommend reading it. Great job with the video!
@@Alien_isolationist it's real, I convinced him to increase it again last week because if she can afford 3 kids she can probably afford higher rent from all those child support payments. Hope this helps!
The analogy of dividing a chocolate is awesome. Let one divide and the other pick. Surely this is not a win win but a third way of solving issues. I love it. Thanks. SG
“Negotiation is about finding a third way that makes both sides happy” That is 50/50. I feel like he does exactly what his book says he doesn’t, “split the difference”
No, the best thing to do is figure out what each side really wants, not the same thing as what they're asking for. That's what mediators do. You can do it also if you're one of the parties. If one side is mostly concerned about money, and the other one is mostly concerned about time, or liability, or risk, then you have a way to make everyone happy, without splitting any differences: you just give each side what they want most, and they'll (usually) be willing to give the other side what _they_ want most. But if they're both mostly concerned about the same thing, then you have a problem.
@@Jeffiekins This comment is spot on. I do a lot of professional negotiating. In strategic business negotiations, the "listening" part should be focused on trying to find out what is REALLY most important to the "opponent". A lot of business negotiations do not start with the most important agenda item for a "win" from either side. "I want a better price" is not always the opponents most important agenda for instance. They may actually believe it is at first. Sometimes what they REALLY want is to be able to demonstrate that they effectively negotiated a better deal for their company. This opens up a lot of avenues not tied to your profit %. If I can give you more value for the money you are spending, or we can eliminate something from this scope to reduce the price, does that get you what you need to report to your company? Upgraded services, shorter timeline, 3 months free rent, extended warranty, less capital investment up front for a higher ongoing service contract rate, an extra QC guy on the site, etc. What can we do to make you look good for the metric that helps you and your company?
@@Jeffiekins That’s exactly the point. If both sides could get everything they want, then they would not be talking In the first place? The reason they are even negotiating is clearly because their interests are in conflict. If they weren’t in conflict, they would NOT be negotiating. So…50/50.
Both sides being happy is not the same thing as a 50/50 split. If people were happy every time they get a 50/50 split they could solve all problems with a calculator or measuring tape. We don’t work that way. Also, it should be noted that Voss is talking about not splitting _the difference_ if something is left on the table.
0:26: 🤝 Negotiation expert Chris Voss challenges the idea of win-win outcomes in negotiations. 0:49: Voss's experience as a hostage negotiator has taught him that negotiation principles apply to various situations. 1:02: The fundamentals of negotiation remain the same regardless of age, gender, or ethnicity. 3:32: ✨ Smiling, mirroring, and tactical empathy are effective tactics for communication. 3:55: Mirroring the last critical words of the opponent helps extract more information. 4:42: Tactical empathy involves understanding the feelings and mindset of the other person. 7:08: 🔑 Defusing negative emotions helps improve negotiation results. 7:25: Starting with a 'no' is the beginning of negotiation, not the end. Recap by Tammy AI
One black shoe, one brown, obviously. Shows your ability to compromise, displays your awkwardly-funny side and gives you credit for future negotiations. In some cases may even lead you to an instant win.
i think it's because for the purpose of the video most of the examples used are of situations with clear contrasts in perspective, like being on opposite sides of a meeting to renegotiate after a bad dealing
In chess you play an opponent. In poker you have the dealer and your opponents. Someone who opposes you, the opposite side, is not the enemy. It could be your mom.
I didn't know I was already doing these things during a conversation. Before I answer to a complex question, I would always want to get what they really mean and then summarizes it to them to confirm if I get it right and then I proceed to answer their question.
We used to do it this way when we were kids. But after a short while, it's clear that the one who has to split the candy always has a disadvantage against the one who can pick the largest part. So after a while, the discussion just moved to: "You have to split it! No, you!" 🤣
@@rednal4451 In the timeless battle of candy splitting, it's glaringly evident that the one forced to divide it always finds themselves catastrophically disadvantaged compared to the victor who claims the colossal portion. 😂
not really, the one that splits it is at a disadvantage unless they develop a skill that is normally unrelated to compromising so it's better to guide their discussion and help them come to a decision with the potential consequence of neither of them getting chocolate if they're unable to decide on a solution
My brother and I had to do the chocolate method and you would not believe how precise a piece of cake could be divided. You're right is the kiss of death, a concession, it is the response to a technical nitpick that may be right but kills the deal. That's right is a response to a universal truth and a bonding moment.
"Black shoes for the party?, But don't you think you'll look better with brown shoes? And it also matches your shirt, have you ever tried wearing your brown shoes with that shirt?" Is what your partner will say if she watched and learned from this video😂
The solution is surprisingly simple. Go to shoes shop, pick a decent black shoes that's affordable, and another elegant brown shoes that's about 3x ~ 5x the price of black shoes. Ask her which one to buy. If she insisted the brown shoes, then fine. If she went with your black shoes idea, treat her to a better lunch.
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Lesson 4 is like saying Sorry? (I did not hear that) as an answer, even though you completely understood. For me, sometimes this happens automatically if I need a moment to think about it.
I agree with you!! Money actually grow on trees but only on trees that was planted by you!! These tress are referred to as investments. How you diversify your investment portfolio matters
Diversification is the key. My portfolio is well diversified with the help of a financial adviser. This helps me make more than +400% monthly on my investments.
I'm intrigued by this. I've searched for financial advisers online but it's kind of hard to get in touch with one. Okay if I ask you for a recommendation?
I've experimented with a few over the past years, but I've stuck with ‘’Angela Lynn Schilling” for about five years now, and her performance has been consistently impressive. She’s quite known in her field, look her up.
You have done an incredibly great job here... and the timing for me to come across this video was uncanny (thanks UA-cam algorithms 😊). It's helped me hone in on what I already do right without knowing it and what more I can do to get better results when having a sitdown with a formidable opponent. I'm going to immediately put what's here into practice. With this as the summary, I can only imagine the rare gems to be discovered in the book itself. Thanks once again
Ah yes, little did we know that communication is a skill that can actually be refined so that we can be better people to one another. Another subject that should be in education as far as I'm concerned.
Many thanks for this awesome video! As a former team leader I faced all those situations. It took me lot of time and bad experiences to understand what you gave us in 10 min!
I think what you have declared as 'win-win' at the beginning, is actually a compromise, which is indeed unsatisfying for both sides. Unfortunatly, the concept of win-win is often misunderstood. It does not mean at all to meet somewhere in the middle. It rather means what you have described. First, establishing a trustful bases, then analysing the true cause of the conflict, and finally finding together a solution that considers these causes and that is satisfying for both parties. In a word: win-win.
If it happens so that both parties win, it’s unavoidably a win-win situation. The point Voss makes in his own words is that people trying to frame their proposition as a win-win situation are probably trying to trick you somehow. Nothing wrong with win-win happening. Just be cautious when someone says it out loud. The same applies to honesty. If someone says they are, they probably aren’t.
As the Stoics said: "Control what you can, accept what you cannot." - Focus on your actions and thoughts, but let go of the outcomes beyond your control.
I read that book months ago, and it's very good. The book needs to be read several times to be understood and taking notes meanwhile to apply the tactics
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How to Negotiate better 1. Understand 2. It's not a battle, it's a discovery 3. Empathize & deal with the emotions 4. Start with question to get the answer, "No" 5. Reaffirm with, "That's right" Thanks for sharing these tips! They're so useful in many daily situations.
Your summary videos are really good compared to other summary UA-camrs it feels like someone is really is teaching you compared to those who use too much music and distracting pictures. If you get a chance make a video on 'Deep work' Thanks for making these videos.
1) Understand first 2) negotiation is not a battle, It is a discovery ( smile to help with this OR mirroring, repeat the last 3 or most critical of what the opp has just said ( after mirroring stay quiet for 4s ) 3) Tactical empathy ( identify the emotional obstacles that are standing in the way of agreement THEN label it by summarizing what they have said back at them, FOR EG, it seems like, it sounds like ) (diffusing negatives with labels, think what they are feeling "Your company missed the deadline and did not deliver what was promised. Your client thinks that you are unreliable" for eg, "It might seem Ike we are screwing you and we are not capable of keeping our promises and deliver on what was agreed. And because of this, you might even consider not doing business with us anymore. And you are absolutely right to think n this way") making them feel like you think like them 4) Start with a no ( is it a bad time to talk for 5mins? VS can we talk for 5 mins? ) ( get them to say a NO then let them follow up ) 5) That is right ( take your opp word and repeat it back to them to get them to say that is right )
I kinda naturally apply some stuff you just mentioned, and this video made me to decide to improve my skills, thanks for this wonderful video, keep up!!!
win wins obviously exist. If I do not want some old dishwasher but I have a friend who needs a dishwasher and takes it from me, both sides are in better positions than they were before and therefore a win win
There’s nothing wrong with a win-win taking place and it does happen. The way I’ve understood Voss’s point is that when someone tells you their idea is a win-win, they may be misleading you. If the proposition really was that great for you they wouldn’t have to say it unless they think you’re stupid. It’s the same thing with honesty: if someone says they are, they probably aren’t.
The problem with the society we have today is that too many people expect to get what they want every time. It's not realistic or reasonable, and it's quite sociopathic!
I really enjoy this, and learn a lot from this; the funniest thing is that, I do some of this sub-consciously sometimes and it always Pat off. Is very good tools for negotiation. Thanks for sharing🎉
this is an amazing knowledge of body language 🤌🏽 I was gifted by GOD a very humble mentality where i can place myself in peoples situations/feelings and create a comfort when being opened up to because of how empathetic i am. Growing up with financially very little & for most of my life (currently 23) in a Christian household created that Humblity in me. I am very good with conversating because my mind on its own adjusts to body language and the emotion of it while analyzing the sound as well. When i watched this video i learned a lot which blows my mind how much more knowledge there is to be discovered! Great Video 🧠📜
If you bring a negative intent to negotiation, then your a manipulator. If you bring a genuine desire for a mutually beneficial outcome then your negotiating. If the power is unfair, then thats life and you could increase your knowledge of and skill in negotiating. Everything is most definitely negotiable.
I have a "friend' who cuts me short and changes the subject every time I speak,even to the point of me being mid sentence and them pointing at something and saying" look at that" and then talking about it. Needless to say I minimize my contact with them.
Mirroring : Stay silent atleast 4 seconds after, to get full amount of information i was like "Duh" Then i thought back of all the arguments where people mirror and immediatly continue with the (verbal)assault, lol. Great vid!
i haven't used the DIFFUSING NEGATIVES technique but i when i imagined myself in the shoes of the customer, the outcome i perceived was very different. To me, the suit man was simply stating the obvious, and that i am indeed correct to search for an alternative.
Great info! Great video as well. One thing I noticed and I'm not sure if it was intentional or if I jusr misinterpreted my understanding: after clarifying that it's not a battle, you continued to address the other side as "your opponent " . Not sure if it was for a different example , a mindset we should maintain during discovery ( in the form of a race rather than a duel ), or just a simple lack of better term. I really do appreciate your insights and content. Keep up the great videos! Thank you!
Great video! I thank myself for never giving up even when it was very hard I kept pushing through until I made it out. My advice is that If you do your own investing, have you ever thought whether you should turn things over to a financial advisor? If you have significant assets, you have probably felt anxiety when making choices with your money. Perhaps you sensed that you might make better investing decisions if you knew just a little more and could invest without emotion. If this is the case, consulting a financial advisor makes perfect sense.
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I’ve had a moment where I was in a pointless argument, we were both saying the exact same thing but the other dude didn’t care what I said and didn’t realize I was agreeing with him
"I understand you want me to wear these brown shoes, I get it, but I love these black shoes. It seems like you've been really into fashion and styling lately, which is great but this is really my personal style and I hope you can understand that too." Would that be a good response to the shoe example?
Listen to the other side intensely and sincerely Understand their point of view, what they want out of their argument. Smile. Parrot the last few words. (to get more info) Then summarise your understanding and throw it back with: It seems like..... This will make the other side feel understood and you'll get a confirmation wether you've understood them right. Acknowledge the other parties thoughts.
From childhood i had the cunning and manipulation embedded in me, growing up, that helped me to control, manipulate and influence every human around me, it's a good life but a sad one
If you start with an attitude of "getting what you want" the other person will sense it no matter which technique you try to apply, and even if you manage to get what you want, they will feel screwed afterwards, so yes, in case of terrorists or kidnapers maybe you can use this, but maybe they are not stupid either, and you don't care about staying friends with them, so there are no other considerations. A hostage negotiator is a hostage negotiator, and that's probably what you will learn from the book
To win in a hostage situation is no negotiation at all, you kidnapped those human ..now you can do whatever you want to them I'm not negotiating with you. The art of negotiation as Jack Ma put it once: If you borrowed $100,000 you will be terrified and can't negotiate a better deal If you borrowed 10,000,000 you have some room to negotiate better deals asbith you and the borrower are terrified If you borrowed 100,000,000, the bank is terrified and you have lot of room to negotiate any deal you like
An incredibly well made video. I enjoyed it thoroughly, I particularly loved the chocolate bar solution. But sadly I didn't find an answer on how to (successfully) negotiate with someone who doesn't want to negotiate, yet negotiation is the only way to resolve the problem. What if you are under a constant attack of someone who refuses to negotiate? How to make such a person listen if all they're intent on is attacking you, not even willing to listen to anything you have to say? Is defusing by also showing force the only way to stop the attacks?
No. You can negotiate to wear black this time and brown next time or wear the colour you like but will make a change for her next time although a woman that is nitpicking over your shoes will likely be problematic
So much work for 1 person, i hope what you are selling is worth it. Because my policy is, if i have to try hard to make a sell, then im talking to the wrong person.
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@@FriedChicken640Ha ! Ha !
"Discusion is not a battle" "Your opponent"
guy contradicts himself in everything that he says, throughout the entire video.
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Even though it's not a battle, anybody can be an opponent when trying to put your way on the table and win. You have to understand that in negotiation, you are trying to make the other person understand why your way is better for both of you while also grasping their way to come out with a satisfactory answer and solution to the reason of negotiation.
"Negotiation is about finding a third way that makes both sides happy"
It's Win-Win condition 🙂
Not always, sometimes one person is right and you have to accept it, you can't tell 2+2 isn't 4, it's not possible and you should stop making own teories if someone is right. Many people especially from us (like karens) can't accept the truth.
Wellllll its mostly making the other person THINK that its gonna be a win win when in reality its a huge win for you and a rather small win for the other person
Since this video I get all my coke from my dealer at half off. Thank you FBI. I just make sure I do a line before I go to meet up so I am happier which makes me 30 percent smarter. This is amazing.
#winning
The question though was the product quality the same
Kinda like the wisdom of eating before going to buy groceries. 😅
I did a line while reading this but coke h a s lost it's MOJO in the past 9 months or so, maybe even longer.so... instead of coke, I am a huge supporter of moun-tan-dooo! Ya know what I'm talking bout..;] I get jakked up! I much happier and focused like a MF'er but I am about 30% dumber so the trade off is not as great....
I'm genuinely rethinking every conversation I've ever had! The distinction between "that's right" and "you're right" is such a subtle yet powerful insight.
And the whole concept of starting with "no" instead of pushing for a "yes"? Mind-blowing! I've always thought of negotiation as a tug-of-war, but this video paints it more as a dance of understanding and empathy.
Definitely going to be more mindful in my next negotiation. Thanks for these game-changing insights!
Negotiation means that (at least) two parties have something to offer to each other, both knowing the value of what they have to offer. If not, it's not negotiation, but one party wanting something from the other for the lowest price possible. You really think that you're negotiating about your salary with a new employer? Hell no, the position between an employer and an employee is not balanced: He knows you need the job and uses that knowledge to reduce your price.
Things as 'that's right' and 'you're right' are used to take you into a yes-flow. When someone has you in a yes-flow it's nearly impossible to escape from that (you basically already agreed on everything being said to you). Try 'I understand what you're saying' instead, that always gives you the option to disagree without being contradictive: 'I understand what you say, I simply don't agree with it'. Never explain why you don't agree, it's a trap. Someone just tried to convince you of his opinion, you don't agree with it and suddenly they're interested in your opinion? That's suspicious, don't give that opening: You have the right to not to express your opinion.
@@Random_user_8472 what about in a situation where you cannot just avoid expressing your opinion as you’ve understood and disagreed with there’s? I feel you must have to give reasons for contradicting otherwise you won’t be agreed with
@@chidiutoraphael6059Why would you want people to agree with you in the first place? Because they want you to agree with them? You always can avoid expressing your opinion, even if people ask for it: I have the right to express my opinion and with that I also have the right to not to express my opinion. Freedom of speech is a right, I can decide not to use that right at certain moments and that will be my decision only (unless I'm being tortured, I too have my boundaries lol).
@@Random_user_8472If you negotiate a new car price, and they tell you to get the F out, but sell it to you, and leave the room without saying thanks for the transaction, you have gotten the best deal you could possibly get. Just say No to everything. No paint protection, no warranty upgrade, no paying for the engraved numbers on the windows, nothing. In fact, you should state they should have paid YOU for destroying and scribbling on your windows. Then, when they go through their rehearsed sales pitch, look at the pictures on the walls, your phone, yawn, whatever.
Then ask, "are you done?" If the sales person confirms, you say" No to all of that, I'm not paying for anything extra". They might try the rehearsed so each again, just stick to the same "No...".
Eventually they will start considering giving up. That's when you say " There is many dealers selling this exact same car..., do you want to sell it to me at NET cost without any extras or not?"
And of course, make sure you get all the rebates, no trade of rebates vs better financing rate, or any if that B's. Simply say "I won't accept a financing rate any higher than 5%, now are you going to sell the car to me or not?"
They will, as it will still add to their monthly number, so eventually, they will give up.
If you want to yank their chain a little extra, ask "how much is the monthly check you are sending me for driving around with these advertisement licence plate frames of yours?"
"Oh, nothing is it?" Ok please have them removed before delivery, or I will considering it vandalizing of my property, and I will press charges accordingly."
@@Santor- You're a tough cookie haha I'm glad that I'm not a car salesman trying to sell you a car 😂
Watching this video everyday for 2 weeks until i perfect the art of negotiating
Same lol
How did it go? Because I told myself I would do the same lol
Not even 4 min in and i quit.
If you cant get basic percentages right, its not worth your time.
Better spend that time on reading a book that this is taken from lol, why would you watch same video everyday
stop wasting your time, you better get a life
Wow, fascinating! I was a bit sceptical due to the title of the video, but the lessons are top notch!
1. Understand first -> this means: listen. Rather than trying to react/answer, just listen.
2. Negotiation is not a battle -> it is not about getting what I want, or what you want, but rather finding a third thing and getting it. The example with splitting the chocolate between 2 children is amazing - let one child split it and the other one pick first. I remember now we did this with my cousin or my sister when we were children. :D It gave some strange power and felt reasonable and fair.
Also, mirroring it important - repeat key words (e.g. in a question, addressing them), pause for 4 seconds and let the mirroring do its job.
3. Tactical empathy + defusing negatives -> both rely on labelling. Label what I observe/heard/saw/heard/understood...
4. Start with "No" -> that's right. I noticed that when I said "yes" right away, I felt trapped, without control. Of course I could change it (some people do when they realize what they agreed to), but then I would not behave like the person I want to. Saying "no", however, gives more power. Changing the "no" to "yes" later would be a great gift for the other side. But if I cannot change it, I'll stick to the "no" and wouldn't be forced to do something I did not think through.
5. "That's right" -> I knew about this from a course. I think it was given as an example exactly from Chris Voss' book "Never split the difference - negotiate as if your life depends on it".
"That's right" is different than "you're right". Why? Think about it - it is easy to grasp. :D
Thanks for summarising it ❤
I sometimes use “You’re right” when agreeing with someone’s point, I also use “That’s right” for the same thing then giving reasons why they are not entirely right after it
It is very selfless and thoughtful of you to have summarized. Thanks a lot
it's kinda crazy how nobody's talking about the forbidden psychology ebook called the manipulation enigma
finnaly i listened myself about this and bought something online and I am satisfied
@@minela227how is it?
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Wow good book
The one thing that i discovered throughout my life is
Be an observer
Know how to manipulate in a positive way
Appreciate people before you place your deal
You will get what you want
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It’s wrong to fight for what you want in negotiations. I believe everyone should win. I’m a business owner and hate it when someone tries to talk down my price especially after the projects is complete. In fact after the miserable experience of trying to get them to pay me I refuse to do business with them again. I have plenty of great customers who treat me fairly and don’t need people who “try to get the best deal at my expense”
I have learned over the years the people that try to get a better deal in the beginning are doing just that trying to get a better price. It’s the one that wait until you started the work or at the end are just trying to get out of paying you . They are like the people that eat there happy meal and then want there money back because it what they ordered. So when they act like that demand your money and show them the door.
They should strike out the phrase “cheap and best” once and for all. If the commodity or service is great, the price should be proportionate and vice versa.
@@kai6424how do you even get that from what he said? Straight 🤡
In fact, the best tactic would be to make them feel like they won, even though you got everything you wanted.
So, have the conversation ahead of time.
Never split the difference is by far my favorite business book. It has done so much for my career, highly recommend reading it. Great job with the video!
Thank you. As a landlord trying to raise rent for the single mother with 3 kids, this video was extremely helpful and came up at the perfect time.
This is a joke or you lost your soul?
@@Alien_isolationist it's real, I convinced him to increase it again last week because if she can afford 3 kids she can probably afford higher rent from all those child support payments. Hope this helps!
The fact that nobody talks about the book whispers of manifestation on borlest speaks volumes about how people are stuck in a trance
bru wht is this shit
What does that book discuss?
I wish all you fools and not would knock it off. It's not a real book but just a hook
isnt it a scam
Truly convince someone you understand their struggle by validating their emotional response, as opposed to invalidating it.
The analogy of dividing a chocolate is awesome. Let one divide and the other pick. Surely this is not a win win but a third way of solving issues. I love it. Thanks. SG
There is another solution. Just eat the chocolate. The kids will be mad at you, but they shouldn't have argued over it
My dad always made us do this when we were kids!! Not ever were there disagreements after. At my moms house she didn't and we kept bickering.
“Negotiation is about finding a third way that makes both sides happy”
That is 50/50.
I feel like he does exactly what his book says he doesn’t, “split the difference”
No, the best thing to do is figure out what each side really wants, not the same thing as what they're asking for. That's what mediators do. You can do it also if you're one of the parties. If one side is mostly concerned about money, and the other one is mostly concerned about time, or liability, or risk, then you have a way to make everyone happy, without splitting any differences: you just give each side what they want most, and they'll (usually) be willing to give the other side what _they_ want most. But if they're both mostly concerned about the same thing, then you have a problem.
@@Jeffiekins This comment is spot on. I do a lot of professional negotiating. In strategic business negotiations, the "listening" part should be focused on trying to find out what is REALLY most important to the "opponent". A lot of business negotiations do not start with the most important agenda item for a "win" from either side. "I want a better price" is not always the opponents most important agenda for instance. They may actually believe it is at first. Sometimes what they REALLY want is to be able to demonstrate that they effectively negotiated a better deal for their company. This opens up a lot of avenues not tied to your profit %. If I can give you more value for the money you are spending, or we can eliminate something from this scope to reduce the price, does that get you what you need to report to your company? Upgraded services, shorter timeline, 3 months free rent, extended warranty, less capital investment up front for a higher ongoing service contract rate, an extra QC guy on the site, etc. What can we do to make you look good for the metric that helps you and your company?
@@Jeffiekins
That’s exactly the point.
If both sides could get everything they want, then they would not be talking In the first place?
The reason they are even negotiating is clearly because their interests are in conflict.
If they weren’t in conflict, they would NOT be negotiating.
So…50/50.
@lara2012 50/50 is "Half assing it". 100% both ways goes better.
Both sides being happy is not the same thing as a 50/50 split.
If people were happy every time they get a 50/50 split they could solve all problems with a calculator or measuring tape. We don’t work that way.
Also, it should be noted that Voss is talking about not splitting _the difference_ if something is left on the table.
I had Chris Voss come in as a guest speaker for my negotiations class last year in my masters program! Such an interesting lecture.
Find a partner who doesn’t tell you which color shoes to wear.
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Especially if they are good with oral, funny and decent cook.
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You just saved us thousands on counseling and self help books. #thankful
the third option
0:26: 🤝 Negotiation expert Chris Voss challenges the idea of win-win outcomes in negotiations.
0:49: Voss's experience as a hostage negotiator has taught him that negotiation principles apply to various situations.
1:02: The fundamentals of negotiation remain the same regardless of age, gender, or ethnicity.
3:32: ✨ Smiling, mirroring, and tactical empathy are effective tactics for communication.
3:55: Mirroring the last critical words of the opponent helps extract more information.
4:42: Tactical empathy involves understanding the feelings and mindset of the other person.
7:08: 🔑 Defusing negative emotions helps improve negotiation results.
7:25: Starting with a 'no' is the beginning of negotiation, not the end.
Recap by Tammy AI
God bless u
Nice got.
You just made the video more meaningful.
Thumbs up 👍
Thanks for the recap. 👍
Could you enlighten me about the Tammy AI, please? 🙂
@@cutechiangels perhaps have Tammy AI recap Tammy AI
Zehahahahaha kurohige yonkou
One black shoe, one brown, obviously. Shows your ability to compromise, displays your awkwardly-funny side and gives you credit for future negotiations. In some cases may even lead you to an instant win.
Go in flip flops😂
"It's not a battle" she says as she continues to call the guy she is negotiating with an "opponent"
😂
An opponent like in sports. But not an enemy like in war
i think it's because for the purpose of the video most of the examples used are of situations with clear contrasts in perspective, like being on opposite sides of a meeting to renegotiate after a bad dealing
@evocious9950 do you know the difference between an opponent and enemy?
What would you use as a general term of the other side of a negotiation?
In chess you play an opponent. In poker you have the dealer and your opponents. Someone who opposes you, the opposite side, is not the enemy. It could be your mom.
I didn't know I was already doing these things during a conversation. Before I answer to a complex question, I would always want to get what they really mean and then summarizes it to them to confirm if I get it right and then I proceed to answer their question.
1. Listen
2. Understand
3. Let's find a way to co-exist in peace and avoid the game. Let's produce despite our differences.
That chocolate example for kids is genius
We used to do it with hash when i was a teen 😂
We used to do it this way when we were kids. But after a short while, it's clear that the one who has to split the candy always has a disadvantage against the one who can pick the largest part. So after a while, the discussion just moved to: "You have to split it! No, you!" 🤣
@@rednal4451 In the timeless battle of candy splitting, it's glaringly evident that the one forced to divide it always finds themselves catastrophically disadvantaged compared to the victor who claims the colossal portion. 😂
just eat the chocolate all happy ^^
not really, the one that splits it is at a disadvantage unless they develop a skill that is normally unrelated to compromising so it's better to guide their discussion and help them come to a decision with the potential consequence of neither of them getting chocolate if they're unable to decide on a solution
My brother and I had to do the chocolate method and you would not believe how precise a piece of cake could be divided.
You're right is the kiss of death, a concession, it is the response to a technical nitpick that may be right but kills the deal. That's right is a response to a universal truth and a bonding moment.
this doesn't work on my asian mom, currently grounded now
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😂😂😂, so is my African mom!
Yeah Asians are tough. My ex girlfriend couldn’t come outside on weekdays cause she had school. We were both 20. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Apparently this information isn’t for women either.
It’s a man’s world and they’re fucking it up supremely!!!
That’s brilliant!! It’s not win win. It’s one win and the illusion of win.
I won’t hold my breath for the video on how to negotiate with a narcissist.
I've seen many videos and this channel is simply best ever. Tonality, content, delivery, best
I’ve read this book by Chris Voss and have studied his company, Black Swan teachings. This is an excellent synopsis of the book! Well done s always!!
In business there is always a win-win scenario but not in hostage negotiations. Don’t negotiate like your life depends on it,Don’t
You still did not answer on how to convince my partner that I will wear black shoes for the party?
My solution is to wear the black shoes and ignore what my partner says
I will have to go shopping and miss the party. If the shops are closed, so much the better... Ha.. Haa..!!
"Black shoes for the party?, But don't you think you'll look better with brown shoes? And it also matches your shirt, have you ever tried wearing your brown shoes with that shirt?"
Is what your partner will say if she watched and learned from this video😂
The solution is surprisingly simple. Go to shoes shop, pick a decent black shoes that's affordable, and another elegant brown shoes that's about 3x ~ 5x the price of black shoes. Ask her which one to buy. If she insisted the brown shoes, then fine. If she went with your black shoes idea, treat her to a better lunch.
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Lesson 4 is like saying Sorry? (I did not hear that) as an answer, even though you completely understood. For me, sometimes this happens automatically if I need a moment to think about it.
The BIGGEST LIE You've Been Told About Money is that it doesn't grow on TREES!! 😆
I agree with you!! Money actually grow on trees but only on trees that was planted by you!! These tress are referred to as investments. How you diversify your investment portfolio matters
Diversification is the key. My portfolio is well diversified with the help of a financial adviser. This helps me make more than +400% monthly on my investments.
I'm intrigued by this. I've searched for financial advisers online but it's kind of hard to get in touch with one. Okay if I ask you for a recommendation?
I've experimented with a few over the past years, but I've stuck with ‘’Angela Lynn Schilling” for about five years now, and her performance has been consistently impressive. She’s quite known in her field, look her up.
Wow, her track record looks really good from what I found online. I'll take a chance and see how it goes. Thanks for the info
I always remember the Golden Rule, "those that have the Gold, make the Rules"
Just wow!
You have done an incredibly great job here... and the timing for me to come across this video was uncanny (thanks UA-cam algorithms 😊). It's helped me hone in on what I already do right without knowing it and what more I can do to get better results when having a sitdown with a formidable opponent. I'm going to immediately put what's here into practice. With this as the summary, I can only imagine the rare gems to be discovered in the book itself. Thanks once again
Getting a divorce? Lol
I have a feeling you havent applied any of this in your life if you feel the need to convince a ton of strangers on the internet
Ah yes, little did we know that communication is a skill that can actually be refined so that we can be better people to one another. Another subject that should be in education as far as I'm concerned.
It's also important to understand that sometimes it just won't work out the way you want it to no matter how good you are
Many thanks for this awesome video! As a former team leader I faced all those situations. It took me lot of time and bad experiences to understand what you gave us in 10 min!
I think what you have declared as 'win-win' at the beginning, is actually a compromise, which is indeed unsatisfying for both sides. Unfortunatly, the concept of win-win is often misunderstood. It does not mean at all to meet somewhere in the middle. It rather means what you have described. First, establishing a trustful bases, then analysing the true cause of the conflict, and finally finding together a solution that considers these causes and that is satisfying for both parties. In a word: win-win.
If it happens so that both parties win, it’s unavoidably a win-win situation.
The point Voss makes in his own words is that people trying to frame their proposition as a win-win situation are probably trying to trick you somehow.
Nothing wrong with win-win happening. Just be cautious when someone says it out loud.
The same applies to honesty. If someone says they are, they probably aren’t.
As the Stoics said: "Control what you can, accept what you cannot." - Focus on your actions and thoughts, but let go of the outcomes beyond your control.
I read that book months ago, and it's very good. The book needs to be read several times to be understood and taking notes meanwhile to apply the tactics
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Try this with any mom and you will beg for a 50 50
Not at all
How to Negotiate better
1. Understand
2. It's not a battle, it's a discovery
3. Empathize & deal with the emotions
4. Start with question to get the answer, "No"
5. Reaffirm with, "That's right"
Thanks for sharing these tips! They're so useful in many daily situations.
- Is it a bad time to talk for 5 minutes?
- Yes
- 😳
Then it's best time to hour speech!
-alalalala problem problem problem...
If it’s a bad time for them to talk you don’t want them to do it anyway.
Its the ending for me, I have found this to be very insightful.
0:07 Ditch her. She should not tell you what to wear. No negotiation needed.
Your summary videos are really good compared to other summary UA-camrs it feels like someone is really is teaching you compared to those who use too much music and distracting pictures.
If you get a chance make a video on 'Deep work'
Thanks for making these videos.
What advice will you give me sir I am 19 now.
Some people doens't even know about these things but still they are naturally masters un negotiation
1) Understand first
2) negotiation is not a battle, It is a discovery ( smile to help with this OR mirroring, repeat the last 3 or most critical of what the opp has just said ( after mirroring stay quiet for 4s )
3) Tactical empathy ( identify the emotional obstacles that are standing in the way of agreement THEN label it by summarizing what they have said back at them, FOR EG, it seems like, it sounds like ) (diffusing negatives with labels, think what they are feeling "Your company missed the deadline and did not deliver what was promised. Your client thinks that you are unreliable" for eg, "It might seem Ike we are screwing you and we are not capable of keeping our promises and
deliver on what was agreed. And because of this, you might even consider not doing business with us anymore. And you are absolutely right to think n this way") making them feel like you think like them
4) Start with a no ( is it a bad time to talk for 5mins? VS can we talk for 5 mins? ) ( get them to say a NO then let them follow up )
5) That is right ( take your opp word and repeat it back to them to get them to say that is right )
Works in hostage negotiations not so much in a marriage. They notice eventually and feel manipulated
Same in business negotiation. I catch it right away and sounds really annoying.
Not if, "Say what you mean, and mean what you say". It's only disingenuous if you don't care.
@@ChristinaLane-pe2hc always be honest with your partner. About everything. Manipulation in a relationship is never ok.
@@michaelthemadsoldiertist I agree, which is why I said to "Say what you mean" and "Mean what you say".
It’s all about whether you are in it for love and genuine companionship or control
And materialist benefits
2:09
3:45 - Smile Il
Mirroring!!
- what did you mean by that -4:41
4:43
Tactical Empathy -
6:33 6:33
magic mirrors, predictable phones, drones, and clones should about sum it up ... are you picking up what i am setting down for you
Cute video...the title of the book is actually, "Never Split the Difference: NEGOTIATING As If Your Life Depended On It"
1.7 mil views and only 48K tumbs up says enough for me about this video.
I'm so obsessed with your voice, keep up! love you so much ❤
What you need is always more important than what you want but if you pay attention and be patient what you need might just be what you want
That's right using this techniques on communicating really helps
I kinda naturally apply some stuff you just mentioned, and this video made me to decide to improve my skills, thanks for this wonderful video, keep up!!!
win wins obviously exist. If I do not want some old dishwasher but I have a friend who needs a dishwasher and takes it from me, both sides are in better positions than they were before and therefore a win win
There’s nothing wrong with a win-win taking place and it does happen.
The way I’ve understood Voss’s point is that when someone tells you their idea is a win-win, they may be misleading you. If the proposition really was that great for you they wouldn’t have to say it unless they think you’re stupid.
It’s the same thing with honesty: if someone says they are, they probably aren’t.
Wow. Her handwriting is incredible.
The problem with the society we have today is that too many people expect to get what they want every time. It's not realistic or reasonable, and it's quite sociopathic!
Communiucation first. Everything else second.
I ask the hard questions.
I really enjoy this, and learn a lot from this; the funniest thing is that, I do some of this sub-consciously sometimes and it always Pat off. Is very good tools for negotiation. Thanks for sharing🎉
this is an amazing knowledge of body language 🤌🏽
I was gifted by GOD a very humble mentality where i can place myself in peoples situations/feelings and create a comfort when being opened up to because of how empathetic i am. Growing up with financially very little & for most of my life (currently 23) in a Christian household created that Humblity in me. I am very good with conversating because my mind on its own adjusts to body language and the emotion of it while analyzing the sound as well.
When i watched this video i learned a lot which blows my mind how much more knowledge there is to be discovered! Great Video 🧠📜
If you bring a negative intent to negotiation, then your a manipulator. If you bring a genuine desire for a mutually beneficial outcome then your negotiating. If the power is unfair, then thats life and you could increase your knowledge of and skill in negotiating. Everything is most definitely negotiable.
Say all of that again. I was distracted by how good you’re handwriting is.
I have a "friend' who cuts me short and changes the subject every time I speak,even to the point of me being mid sentence and them pointing at something and saying" look at that" and then talking about it. Needless to say I minimize my contact with them.
Mirroring : Stay silent atleast 4 seconds after, to get full amount of information
i was like "Duh"
Then i thought back of all the arguments where people mirror and immediatly continue with the (verbal)assault, lol.
Great vid!
i haven't used the DIFFUSING NEGATIVES technique but i when i imagined myself in the shoes of the customer, the outcome i perceived was very different. To me, the suit man was simply stating the obvious, and that i am indeed correct to search for an alternative.
Great info! Great video as well. One thing I noticed and I'm not sure if it was intentional or if I jusr misinterpreted my understanding: after clarifying that it's not a battle, you continued to address the other side as "your opponent " . Not sure if it was for a different example , a mindset we should maintain during discovery ( in the form of a race rather than a duel ), or just a simple lack of better term. I really do appreciate your insights and content. Keep up the great videos! Thank you!
So you wouldn't use opponent?
Valuable lesson... Thanks for this educative video. I can relate. 🇿🇲
I like the thought being honest with integrity and be thoughtful of others
- Is it bad time to talk for 5 minutes?
- Yes, you are distracting me, go away.
3:36 Aww… how sweet 😊
It can backfire spectacularly.
Great video! I thank myself for never giving up even when it was very hard I kept pushing through until I made it out. My advice is that If you do your own investing, have you ever thought whether you should turn things over to a financial advisor? If you have significant assets, you have probably felt anxiety when making choices with your money. Perhaps you sensed that you might make better investing decisions if you knew just a little more and could invest without emotion. If this is the case, consulting a financial advisor makes perfect sense.
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Absolutely! A financial advisor can help you create a tailored investment plan that aligns with your unique financial situation and goals.
Splitting the difference is not a win-win. It is a compromise. All compromises are lose-lose.
Within minutes the video contradicts itself... finding a solution that makes both sides happy IS a win win
I’ve had a moment where I was in a pointless argument, we were both saying the exact same thing but the other dude didn’t care what I said and didn’t realize I was agreeing with him
On the brown shoe situation, I would just say that I’m not going and they will then compromise on me wearing black shoes
Why refer to them as "opponent" if it's not a "battle"?
Because word “opponent” has more meaning and not only battle meaning. Dude use your brain 🤣🤣🤣
If it was a battle I’d say ”enemy”.
In a negotiation, what would be a better term than opponent?
"I understand you want me to wear these brown shoes, I get it, but I love these black shoes. It seems like you've been really into fashion and styling lately, which is great but this is really my personal style and I hope you can understand that too."
Would that be a good response to the shoe example?
6:51 "..and *you are* absolutely *right* to think in this way"
9:34 *"YOU ARE RIGHT"* it means you failed completely
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Listen to the other side intensely and sincerely
Understand their point of view, what they want out of their argument.
Smile.
Parrot the last few words. (to get more info)
Then summarise your understanding and throw it back with:
It seems like.....
This will make the other side feel understood and you'll get a confirmation wether you've understood them right.
Acknowledge the other parties thoughts.
How I wish our congress will apply these principles!
So much informative and useful video.
From childhood i had the cunning and manipulation embedded in me, growing up, that helped me to control, manipulate and influence every human around me, it's a good life but a sad one
Perfect, the algorithm knew that i needed to improve this skil of mine before I even search on the taskbar for it 😁
If you start with an attitude of "getting what you want" the other person will sense it no matter which technique you try to apply, and even if you manage to get what you want, they will feel screwed afterwards, so yes, in case of terrorists or kidnapers maybe you can use this, but maybe they are not stupid either, and you don't care about staying friends with them, so there are no other considerations. A hostage negotiator is a hostage negotiator, and that's probably what you will learn from the book
To win in a hostage situation is no negotiation at all, you kidnapped those human ..now you can do whatever you want to them I'm not negotiating with you.
The art of negotiation as Jack Ma put it once:
If you borrowed $100,000 you will be terrified and can't negotiate a better deal
If you borrowed 10,000,000 you have some room to negotiate better deals asbith you and the borrower are terrified
If you borrowed 100,000,000, the bank is terrified and you have lot of room to negotiate any deal you like
An incredibly well made video. I enjoyed it thoroughly, I particularly loved the chocolate bar solution. But sadly I didn't find an answer on how to (successfully) negotiate with someone who doesn't want to negotiate, yet negotiation is the only way to resolve the problem.
What if you are under a constant attack of someone who refuses to negotiate? How to make such a person listen if all they're intent on is attacking you, not even willing to listen to anything you have to say? Is defusing by also showing force the only way to stop the attacks?
No. You can negotiate to wear black this time and brown next time
or wear the colour you like but will make a change for her next time
although a woman that is nitpicking over your shoes will likely be problematic
Nah cuz that one friend needs to learn #1 💀
So much work for 1 person, i hope what you are selling is worth it. Because my policy is, if i have to try hard to make a sell, then im talking to the wrong person.
Empathy brings two brains together
"That's right, it's the square hole"
Negotiating is ddfined as angreement between disputing parties where both side come away unsatisfied.
Seems the same with "The art of War" from Sun Tsu ! Amazing haha
That chocolate method is what me and my brother are using from covid and we discovered it itself