@@stuartwilson5634 I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, just parroting what I was taught by several I4WDTA instructors in recovery and advanced recovery courses. I don't know the rationale.
@@charlessprigg1731 you would think that a winch needs to do both. There would be situations where you have to pay out under load or reverse the load under power. I would also imagine that you should regularly test both switches (in and out) to make sure they remain functioning as designed?
Hi Ingemar, 1) Is the accessory panel in the roof on an independent circuit and fuse box? 2) Is the roof pre-wired for lights? 3) Is Android Auto bluetooth based or does it require a USB cable? 4) Are the ports just USB or are there also USB-C? 5) How easily can you interact with the map/music controls while driving? With the left side of the screen used for speed and other vehicle info, is it a large reach to the passenger side? 6) How are the water bottle/cup holders in the door and center area? What about in the back seat? 7) does the rear seat fold flat with the load floor in the production model? 8) not sure if you have the auxiliary battery, but if you do, is it always hot, or is there a battery management system that let's you control what the aux battery is used for?
very good questions! i will try to cover all of them in a video about the infotainment system and the interior of the car next week. coming back to you later with some answers as well...
1.) I need to check that in detail. what i know so far: the switches on the overhead panel have a separate fuse (10A - obviously just for the panel) and each switch controlling the winch, the additional power outlets in the car and on the roof have a different rating (25-500A) so I assume they are on different circuits 2.) with the high load auxiliary electric panel you get two more 25A outlets (under the hood and in the back of the car) and four 25A outlets in the roof reeling. there’s 4 plugs distributed up there and of course you can connect whatever u want - I will plug in an LED bar, the roof top tent and working lights for sure). I will show that in the video as well. 3.) bluetooth…I have apple CarPlay and it works really good!! but of course u can use the USB connection as well. AND: you can connect several phones at the same time. 4.) USB A and C (2 each). one set in the centre stowage box and one set in the back row at the air outlets (centre console). easy to reach from the front was well. 5.) very easy to reach! when u activate SIRI (or the android equivalent) u can use voice control via a button on the steering wheel 6.) one spot in each door (low), two in the centre console (with nice rubber damping so they won’t rattle and it fits various sizes). On the back seats it’s just in the door 7.) nope, they don’t. i will show that in the video as well including measurements. I might get a customised drawer system so make it level though. keep u posted on that. 8.) it is separated from the starter-circuit. you can Hotwire it with a switch on the electric console, then it provides power even when the car is turned off. The management system takes care of charging automatically and connects it if power is needed by the main battery.
it’s a good option to be able to get a winch from the factory but it’s a $5000 option, also I feel personally the winch line is too short they did that on purpose so it would fit, also when unwinding your line instead of using the power just turn the knob and free spool out. Again it’s good to be able to get a factory option but if you get one without the factory unit I recommend getting one of the aftermarket kits and a warn winch you will have much longer usable line. 👍
I asked an Ineos representative this same question and the answer is no. Very disappointed about that but the reason is that spring rates are installed appropriately to the weight of the specific vehicle which includes any accessories. Let me know what your dealer says
I don’t do much off road stuff but I think now I have a grenadier on order , I may add the winch before I sign my contract, iv had my L322 Range Rover for 20 years and never needed one so I’m in 2 minds , because if the off road bug gets hold of me I think I May regret not getting one .
when i decided to get the grenadier i just wanted have the complete package. hope i won't need it too often but the few times i will, i am probably really happy to have the winch ;-).
@@grenadier_exploring fantastic answer and thank you , I totally get the fact that you wanted the complete package them words alone have made my mind up to get the winch 👏👏👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@ankaris5129 perfect analogy , yes I’m going to add the winch to my order when then send my contract of my build . (Best answer I could of wished for )👏👏👏👏👏
@@laurencefahey3132 I'd contact your agent and get them to add it to your configuration before they send you a contract, I've read from some guys that changing config at contract signing time prevented changes - even though it's supposed to be your last chance to change your mind should you want to. I'm in Australia and had my configuration altered twice directly with the agent. Mind you my contract is months away!
Hi ingemar, What is the access to the winch like? For either winch replacement, or to see that a full respool is lining up right and not binding? Does it come with a shackle mount or hook?
that depends on your version as well (europe or rest of world). because of the pedestrian protection requirements in europe, they are constructed differently. i haven't got the manual for the winch yet (only intro by the engineers) but as soon as it's here, can provide further details to you! on the european version it is completely integrated in the bumper - i will check how i can access it. it doesn't come with any accessories, just the loop at the end of the rope. i already had a hook and a recovery kit and Ineos is offering a set as well.
Signed my contract but waiting for a build date. Normally you do not need to have the engine running to operate an electric winch (unlike a hydraulic winch), however. It is recommended to run the engine to prevent a deep discharge of the battery system especially if you are running the winch for an extended period. It would be helpful if you could clarify if this is the case with the Grenadier.
i just tried to get the winch running without engine. the problem is, the transmission won't stay in N (jumps to P when turning off the engine) and therefore the winch stops working 🤷♀. I will check with the engineers (got a contact) and refer back to you
@@grenadier_exploring Does the transmission jump to P when you switch off normally - if so that would be a major problem if you broke down and needed a tow.
@@colindelaney7901 in normal operation it does. but there is an override function to switch the transfer case into N for towing if the car broke down! that is done manually with a screw.
Not suggesting it is a good idea but I wonder if you used the override function to place it in to N would the winch operate. Very useful in an emergency (say if the car flooded in a steam that was deeper than you thought and would not start).
Would never hold the winch rope like that ever again having had a winch remote malfunction and drag my Finger through the hawse fairlead, with the synthetic rope cutting and burning. Many many stitches later my finger looks OK but have lost feeling and goes white when cold so circulation affected. Hasn't stopped me winching but I never put my fingers through the loop anymore.
I think you mean the car has to be in Park to use the winch, OR Drive, Neutral or Reverse. If I was was recovering another vehicle my car would need to remain in place as an anchor or if I had to watch my recovery (from a safe position) outside the vehicle, you couldn’t leave the vehicle like you did.
no, that was correct - the winch doesn't work in P. you have to secure the car with the parking brake and/or chock it if you wanna supervise it from outside
Hallo Ingemar, versuche doch man deine Videos immer im Querformat aufzunehmen, sieht echt besser aus auf dem Computer. Außerdem wäre ein externes Mikrofon echt super, die ersten Videos waren sehr schwer verständlich, viel zu leise und die Lautstärke schwankt total wenn du nicht direkt in die Kamera/Phone sprichst. Ansonsten finde ich es echt so geil, dass du deinen Grenadier schon hast und uns die ersten Eindrücke aus der Kundensicht zeigen kannst. Alle anderen Videos sind einfach nur unglaubwürdig, von Influencers und Pressefritzen, die den Grenadier nur mal kurz testen und meinen uns dann erzählen zu können, was so toll an den Fahrzeug ist - sorry, das ist alles nur Bullshit. Ich will diese Infos von jemanden, der den Grenadier wirklich einsetzt, der ihn selbst bezahlt hat und der ganz genau weiß, von was er spricht - alles andere ist einfach nur ein totaler Schmarn! 🤪
Hallo Dieter. Danke für Dein feedback. Ich habe die angesprochenen Probleme auch schon identifiziert und arbeite daran alles besser zu machen! Mikros hab ich jetzt, Querformat gibt es bei allen neuen Aufnahmen auch. Ich lerne ;-). Ich versuche die Themen die die Kunden interessieren könnten aus meiner Sicht zu beleuchten. Danke für Deinen Kommentar!!
valid point. but I hope to have my engine still running when i winch myself or someone else out. but I will have a look at it and check if i can get it working without engine! keep u posted
@@charlessprigg1731 totally agree. we had a discussion about operating the winch without engine in case of "emergency" further down the comments. but i absolutely agree with you!!
@@grenadier_exploring I run a mechanical disconnect instead of an electric one on my Land Cruiser, but it would be easy enough to change the wiring configuration of the Grenadier to use constant power into that switch/relay instead of the ignition switched power it is delivered with. Not a complicated job, if you prefer to have it available when the vehicle isn't running.
Cool demo. You shouldn't power your winch out, flip the clutch lever and free spool it. But I get it, this was for demo purposes.
thx. correct, just wanted to demonstrate the winch cause i couldn't find anything about it on youtube!
Sorry, don’t understand why you shouldn’t or can’t power out a winch rope - other than it’s bloody slow?
@@stuartwilson5634 I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, just parroting what I was taught by several I4WDTA instructors in recovery and advanced recovery courses. I don't know the rationale.
@@charlessprigg1731 you would think that a winch needs to do both. There would be situations where you have to pay out under load or reverse the load under power. I would also imagine that you should regularly test both switches (in and out) to make sure they remain functioning as designed?
Hi Ingemar,
1) Is the accessory panel in the roof on an independent circuit and fuse box?
2) Is the roof pre-wired for lights?
3) Is Android Auto bluetooth based or does it require a USB cable?
4) Are the ports just USB or are there also USB-C?
5) How easily can you interact with the map/music controls while driving? With the left side of the screen used for speed and other vehicle info, is it a large reach to the passenger side?
6) How are the water bottle/cup holders in the door and center area? What about in the back seat?
7) does the rear seat fold flat with the load floor in the production model?
8) not sure if you have the auxiliary battery, but if you do, is it always hot, or is there a battery management system that let's you control what the aux battery is used for?
very good questions! i will try to cover all of them in a video about the infotainment system and the interior of the car next week. coming back to you later with some answers as well...
1.) I need to check that in detail. what i know so far: the switches on the overhead panel have a separate fuse (10A - obviously just for the panel) and each switch controlling the winch, the additional power outlets in the car and on the roof have a different rating (25-500A) so I assume they are on different circuits
2.) with the high load auxiliary electric panel you get two more 25A outlets (under the hood and in the back of the car) and four 25A outlets in the roof reeling. there’s 4 plugs distributed up there and of course you can connect whatever u want - I will plug in an LED bar, the roof top tent and working lights for sure). I will show that in the video as well.
3.) bluetooth…I have apple CarPlay and it works really good!! but of course u can use the USB connection as well. AND: you can connect several phones at the same time.
4.) USB A and C (2 each). one set in the centre stowage box and one set in the back row at the air outlets (centre console). easy to reach from the front was well.
5.) very easy to reach! when u activate SIRI (or the android equivalent) u can use voice control via a button on the steering wheel
6.) one spot in each door (low), two in the centre console (with nice rubber damping so they won’t rattle and it fits various sizes). On the back seats it’s just in the door
7.) nope, they don’t. i will show that in the video as well including measurements. I might get a customised drawer system so make it level though. keep u posted on that.
8.) it is separated from the starter-circuit. you can Hotwire it with a switch on the electric console, then it provides power even when the car is turned off. The management system takes care of charging automatically and connects it if power is needed by the main battery.
thank you for sharing!!
I am planning to share more of my experience asap. thx
it’s a good option to be able to get a winch from the factory but it’s a $5000 option, also I feel personally the winch line is too short they did that on purpose so it would fit, also when unwinding your line instead of using the power just turn the knob and free spool out. Again it’s good to be able to get a factory option but if you get one without the factory unit I recommend getting one of the aftermarket kits and a warn winch you will have much longer usable line. 👍
the line is really short - i do agree. until now i am happy with the winch and the extension i have.
Does it come with any type of recovery gear? is there a "ring" for the loop end of the Syn rope?
the winch doesn't come with anything - just the loop at the end of the rope.
Ineos offers a recovery set. I already had one, so i use that.
Do you know if the winch can also be a dealer installed option? It is a big ticket item and I am not sure I want to install it yet. Thank you!
I would assume so! I will ask my dealer next time I see him. and I am pretty sure the aftermarket will find a cheaper solution as well.
I asked an Ineos representative this same question and the answer is no. Very disappointed about that but the reason is that spring rates are installed appropriately to the weight of the specific vehicle which includes any accessories.
Let me know what your dealer says
I don’t do much off road stuff but I think now I have a grenadier on order , I may add the winch before I sign my contract, iv had my L322 Range Rover for 20 years and never needed one so I’m in 2 minds , because if the off road bug gets hold of me I think I May regret not getting one .
when i decided to get the grenadier i just wanted have the complete package. hope i won't need it too often but the few times i will, i am probably really happy to have the winch ;-).
@@grenadier_exploring fantastic answer and thank you , I totally get the fact that you wanted the complete package them words alone have made my mind up to get the winch 👏👏👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! Especially if you're in the middle of nowhere and help is days away!
@@ankaris5129 perfect analogy , yes I’m going to add the winch to my order when then send my contract of my build . (Best answer I could of wished for )👏👏👏👏👏
@@laurencefahey3132 I'd contact your agent and get them to add it to your configuration before they send you a contract, I've read from some guys that changing config at contract signing time prevented changes - even though it's supposed to be your last chance to change your mind should you want to.
I'm in Australia and had my configuration altered twice directly with the agent. Mind you my contract is months away!
Hi ingemar,
What is the access to the winch like? For either winch replacement, or to see that a full respool is lining up right and not binding? Does it come with a shackle mount or hook?
that depends on your version as well (europe or rest of world). because of the pedestrian protection requirements in europe, they are constructed differently. i haven't got the manual for the winch yet (only intro by the engineers) but as soon as it's here, can provide further details to you! on the european version it is completely integrated in the bumper - i will check how i can access it.
it doesn't come with any accessories, just the loop at the end of the rope.
i already had a hook and a recovery kit and Ineos is offering a set as well.
Signed my contract but waiting for a build date. Normally you do not need to have the engine running to operate an electric winch (unlike a hydraulic winch), however. It is recommended to run the engine to prevent a deep discharge of the battery system especially if you are running the winch for an extended period. It would be helpful if you could clarify if this is the case with the Grenadier.
same thought here. i will check that out!!
hope u get yours soon!
i just tried to get the winch running without engine. the problem is, the transmission won't stay in N (jumps to P when turning off the engine) and therefore the winch stops working 🤷♀. I will check with the engineers (got a contact) and refer back to you
@@grenadier_exploring Does the transmission jump to P when you switch off normally - if so that would be a major problem if you broke down and needed a tow.
@@colindelaney7901 in normal operation it does. but there is an override function to switch the transfer case into N for towing if the car broke down! that is done manually with a screw.
Not suggesting it is a good idea but I wonder if you used the override function to place it in to N would the winch operate. Very useful in an emergency (say if the car flooded in a steam that was deeper than you thought and would not start).
Which tools are included with the purchase?
there's a bottle jack and a little tool set included. i will show them in one of the next videos in detail.
Would never hold the winch rope like that ever again having had a winch remote malfunction and drag my
Finger through the hawse fairlead, with the synthetic rope cutting and burning. Many many stitches later my finger looks OK but have lost feeling and goes white when cold so circulation affected. Hasn't stopped me winching but I never put my fingers through the loop anymore.
good advise. i was ready to let go and i received my new winch hook strap in the meanwhile....using that now - of course!!
I think you mean the car has to be in Park to use the winch, OR Drive, Neutral or Reverse. If I was was recovering another vehicle my car would need to remain in place as an anchor or if I had to watch my recovery (from a safe position) outside the vehicle, you couldn’t leave the vehicle like you did.
no, that was correct - the winch doesn't work in P. you have to secure the car with the parking brake and/or chock it if you wanna supervise it from outside
Hallo Ingemar,
versuche doch man deine Videos immer im Querformat aufzunehmen, sieht echt besser aus auf dem Computer. Außerdem wäre ein externes Mikrofon echt super, die ersten Videos waren sehr schwer verständlich, viel zu leise und die Lautstärke schwankt total wenn du nicht direkt in die Kamera/Phone sprichst.
Ansonsten finde ich es echt so geil, dass du deinen Grenadier schon hast und uns die ersten Eindrücke aus der Kundensicht zeigen kannst. Alle anderen Videos sind einfach nur unglaubwürdig, von Influencers und Pressefritzen, die den Grenadier nur mal kurz testen und meinen uns dann erzählen zu können, was so toll an den Fahrzeug ist - sorry, das ist alles nur Bullshit. Ich will diese Infos von jemanden, der den Grenadier wirklich einsetzt, der ihn selbst bezahlt hat und der ganz genau weiß, von was er spricht - alles andere ist einfach nur ein totaler Schmarn! 🤪
Hallo Dieter. Danke für Dein feedback. Ich habe die angesprochenen Probleme auch schon identifiziert und arbeite daran alles besser zu machen! Mikros hab ich jetzt, Querformat gibt es bei allen neuen Aufnahmen auch. Ich lerne ;-).
Ich versuche die Themen die die Kunden interessieren könnten aus meiner Sicht zu beleuchten. Danke für Deinen Kommentar!!
volume is a problem
working on that. just got new mics...am just learning - sorry.
@@grenadier_exploring These videos are Uber-helpful. Keep them coming, thank you.
@@2wheelfish thank you, i try to answer all the questions i get and provide as much information as possible
How stupid to have to have the engine running if you need to use it in anger with the engine stalled.
valid point. but I hope to have my engine still running when i winch myself or someone else out. but I will have a look at it and check if i can get it working without engine! keep u posted
Engine should be running if you don't want to kill your battery. Super high amp draw.
@@charlessprigg1731 totally agree. we had a discussion about operating the winch without engine in case of "emergency" further down the comments. but i absolutely agree with you!!
That was my concern as well...if the vehicle is stuck, (maybe in deep water), it's totally possible that the engine may not be running...
@@grenadier_exploring I run a mechanical disconnect instead of an electric one on my Land Cruiser, but it would be easy enough to change the wiring configuration of the Grenadier to use constant power into that switch/relay instead of the ignition switched power it is delivered with. Not a complicated job, if you prefer to have it available when the vehicle isn't running.