I've been playing quite a bit of laser vomit myself lately. One build I'm particularly enamored with is the grasshopper 5N or 5P with 2xLPL and 6xMLAS, STD engine 280-300 depending, and I usually strip the JJ for and extra DHS and some motor tonnage, and it ends up at about 1.2 heat efficiency which I feel is good. 5P has better quirks, and the build has some serious mid-range punch. IS FTW. I wanna see you build a GHR similar to this and daily dose it!!! PLEASE!!!
great vid mate! something that's help me with my terminal case of trigger happiness is a 2nd set weapon groups in chain fire, you'll still be able to keep a steady rain of fire even with the heat penalty for having an xl side popped. When I lose a clan xl side hit override and switch to chain fire, still go op's and blow my self up, it's not for everyone but works for me.
Well done. I will question the whole losing the right side does not matter bit, cause I use that build. Cause first, all your heat sinks in your right torso and arm are gone. Next, because you have a clan XL engine with no other option, all heat sinks in the engine take a 40% hit to effectiveness. So while your alpha strike is about 50% normally at the start of the match, losing a side brings it up to about 75% or so, and now takes 15-20 seconds to cool down enough to do it again. So losing that side torso slows your damage significantly, and it's still good to torso twist as if it was an IS xl engine.
My favorite timberwolf laser vommit build i have is 4x C-ERLL and 4x Pulse SML . Yeah heat management is down to 1.02 but i'm very good at keeping a solid burn at distances to strip armor and when i get close up one or two pulses they go down.
This build can also be done with an all TBR-A omnipod setup. You lose the jump jets but you also lose the negative mobility quirks on the TBR-A left torso, which I find pretty significant. Also, losing your RT in the second game was actually a big deal because it dropped your heat efficiency by at least 40%, probably as much as 70%. That's why you died overheating. ;)
Hehe. And the biggest adjustment for me with piloting IS laser voms vs clan laser voms is that IS laser voms can actually brawl A BIT with 3 LPLs and some MLs on chain fire. For Clans, firing ERMLs in a brawl is a big no-no as 4 of them generate as much heat as 2 ERPPCs. :) Lessons learned. Otherwise, still a great video, Mr. Metal.
I think "NASCAR" resulted from right-side weapons, not the other way around. As you may remember, a lot of those IS mechs have more hardpoints on the right, in keeping with the art from the tabletop game. I'm pretty sure the art from tabletop Battletech purposely made the mechs right-handed, like most of their designers and pilots. Clan mechs, when they're asymmetrical, are left-handed for the sake of being different.
I am messing around with a Nova prime in prime config. Just moving DHS to side torsos. Reminds me of this mech with 50% heat scale when firing its weapons, but just one arm. 42 dmg per arm. 84 dmg alpha that can be done twice and stay shutdown without blowing up. Actually works well for a "stock" config. Might want to do a vid on this. Requires fire discipline and hunting power.
Hell, how do u use it without chainfire??? Why u did't use it? Less total heat generation per weapon group shot is about 20-25%. If u don't need alpha - it's rly usefull.
I'm surprised people still use the TBR A torso because it's a gigantic SHOOT ME sign. That and the negative agility quirks on it make it horrendous to pilot the TBR
Yeah, I only play Clan mechs and you really have to be careful about overriding. You have to be ready to manually shut down as soon as it's safe if you go over the heat cap...
There is a base variant with this loadout, just not exactly the same. It was a Trial Mech for a while. Liked it but lost often due to not unlocking the skills (trial -.-).
Hey Baradul, love the videos and watch everyday! The one thing id love to see, and im sure lots of others would as well, is a video were you go through various mechs, explaining your thoughts on each and pros/cons of various load outs and builds relating to each mech. I know it would be alot of work doing that for all the mech chassis, but so many people value your insights and opinions of MWO that it would be worth your while! There are very few videos that Ive found that go through the various mechs explaining the pros and cons of each (snuggles time does the only good one) and we would love to see you produce a video or series of videos that would supply this fix! Either way continue the amazing work!
But I can dream.....No, seriously, your absolutely right, that is asking to much of him, but maybe If i donated on patreon...... He does a lot for the community already, and my MWO fervor got the best of me, thanks for the input!
I have the same build, but the low mount version, so each LPL in a side torso, that avoids the negative quirks, and I put 2 mediums in each arm, so I can peak both sides if neccessary, in 13:48 I could have hit that KGC with my build tho, anyway, good video
Narc and Artillery\Air Strikes Idea for the Skill tree I think a really great idea is that if I call in an air strike or artillery then the strike should prioritize the Mechs that are "Narced" in that vicinity. I mean if I "Narced" a Mech and call in a strike it should have a much greater percent chance to hit. It would make the narc a much more useful weapon system to carry and provide a much better chance to actually do damage with to Mechs with an Air/Arti-Strikes. I never use Narc! But I would most defiantly out fit a light with one if I could carry three Arti-Strikes! Yeah that would be fun!
Dang, _super_ hot build but big meaty 54-damage alphas out to mid range. Definitely a build you want to have some cover to hide behind to 'reload' between double-alphas.
i got the timberwolf-c and i can do 98 point alpha i got 2 erll,4 erml,and 4 srm 6's it a little hot but i use the chainfire on the med lasers so im always dealing damage and i like to alpha strike when i sneak up behind the enemy which always kills them even an atlas then just pop a coolshot and keep fireing the med lasers to keep the damage going i really love my timberwolf i wish i could download the update to play again
Could be 65% heat! *cough* supernova *cough* but anyways quick question XD is there a trick to torso twisting in the timber? I just can't seem to deal with the ST hit box's always trying to get themselves killed XD
I think the biggest thing is that a lot of pilots don't realize/care about the effect of the negative mobility quirks on the TBR-A LT. It hinders effective twisting and peeking quite a bit. Also, those ears do add quite a bit more of you to shoot at. A trick that works for me is to twist like a marauder or crab - just wiggle the nose a bit to spread damage.
Yeah, once you lost your right side & consequently, the majority of your external heat sinks (which you NEED for a toasty build like this), you probably should've turned your Override Shutdown off.
I bought the TimberWolf (Madcat dammit!) as my first mech and then realised I could have bought 3 or 4 IS mechs for the same price :( I like it though, swapped out the double peeps for double Lrg Pulses like Baradul here and popped some SRM 6's on there too
Don't worry you end up spending as much on a single IS mech as you did on the Timber Wolf once you swap the engine, install Endosteel, Ferro-Fibrous, Double Heat sinks
I like the build, but I struggle to find the motivation to play it given that a Hellbringer can do this with ECM and all high mounts. Without jj, but still, more ninja power.
Lukas Sklenar hey I play a hellbringer prime with ecm 2 extended range large lasers plus 3 mpl and lrm 10 with ecm and with advanced zoom I'm loving it!
You sacrifice 2 ER Mediums (or just 1 if you use Molten's build, but most people use 5 on the Timby) using the Hellbringer though, plus the mounts aren't as high. They both have their ups and downs imo.
+1 Good players know the weakness in a dead side build. I think I would definitely move at least 1 ERML to the right torso. Then again, I can't seem to spread damage like good ol' Baradul. BTW, nice playing against you on Terra Therma this morning in your KGC.
The Timberwolf Missile Side torsos are even more easy to hit. I love seeing Timby LRM boats on the enemy team because those weapons come off in a jiffy.
I put 7 Heavy Medium Laser (or Extended? LoL I forgot...), 3 left Torso, 2 per arm, for pure brawling damage, and a Gauss on right torso It does an insane amount of damage. It's risky though with the Gauss on the Torso as it can explode and rip an arm off, but if you turn to shield with your left arm, you can avoid the hassle of ripping your mech in two because of a critical damage
Oh hey! That was me in game 1 in my purple ButterBee! That was a fun game!
I've been playing quite a bit of laser vomit myself lately. One build I'm particularly enamored with is the grasshopper 5N or 5P with 2xLPL and 6xMLAS, STD engine 280-300 depending, and I usually strip the JJ for and extra DHS and some motor tonnage, and it ends up at about 1.2 heat efficiency which I feel is good. 5P has better quirks, and the build has some serious mid-range punch. IS FTW. I wanna see you build a GHR similar to this and daily dose it!!! PLEASE!!!
great vid mate! something that's help me with my terminal case of trigger happiness is a 2nd set weapon groups in chain fire, you'll still be able to keep a steady rain of fire even with the heat penalty for having an xl side popped. When I lose a clan xl side hit override and switch to chain fire, still go op's and blow my self up, it's not for everyone but works for me.
I am near to that. 2 large pulse on the shoulder, 3 meds torso mounted and 4 smalls in the arms / 2 cool shots... works good 😊
Well done. I will question the whole losing the right side does not matter bit, cause I use that build. Cause first, all your heat sinks in your right torso and arm are gone. Next, because you have a clan XL engine with no other option, all heat sinks in the engine take a 40% hit to effectiveness. So while your alpha strike is about 50% normally at the start of the match, losing a side brings it up to about 75% or so, and now takes 15-20 seconds to cool down enough to do it again. So losing that side torso slows your damage significantly, and it's still good to torso twist as if it was an IS xl engine.
My favorite timberwolf laser vommit build i have is 4x C-ERLL and 4x Pulse SML .
Yeah heat management is down to 1.02 but i'm very good at keeping a solid burn at distances to strip armor and when i get close up one or two pulses they go down.
This build can also be done with an all TBR-A omnipod setup. You lose the jump jets but you also lose the negative mobility quirks on the TBR-A left torso, which I find pretty significant. Also, losing your RT in the second game was actually a big deal because it dropped your heat efficiency by at least 40%, probably as much as 70%. That's why you died overheating. ;)
Yep. I figured that later. Losing all those heat sinks was significant :D
Hehe. And the biggest adjustment for me with piloting IS laser voms vs clan laser voms is that IS laser voms can actually brawl A BIT with 3 LPLs and some MLs on chain fire. For Clans, firing ERMLs in a brawl is a big no-no as 4 of them generate as much heat as 2 ERPPCs. :) Lessons learned. Otherwise, still a great video, Mr. Metal.
TBR-A is a better for that build. I was dyuing to see TBR video from Baradul. Great Job!
That's a problem with the clan laser builds. When you lose that torso you don't die but you lose half of your cooling along with it.
I remember the PC games where the Super Nova was an awesome fast medium mech, but it too had heating problems! Too funny.
super nova....90 tons....medium mech?
I guess you are right, it must have been a heavy or assault. Comparatively short but streamlined. Does this match your recollection?
I think "NASCAR" resulted from right-side weapons, not the other way around. As you may remember, a lot of those IS mechs have more hardpoints on the right, in keeping with the art from the tabletop game. I'm pretty sure the art from tabletop Battletech purposely made the mechs right-handed, like most of their designers and pilots.
Clan mechs, when they're asymmetrical, are left-handed for the sake of being different.
I am messing around with a Nova prime in prime config. Just moving DHS to side torsos. Reminds me of this mech with 50% heat scale when firing its weapons, but just one arm. 42 dmg per arm. 84 dmg alpha that can be done twice and stay shutdown without blowing up. Actually works well for a "stock" config. Might want to do a vid on this. Requires fire discipline and hunting power.
Hell, how do u use it without chainfire??? Why u did't use it? Less total heat generation per weapon group shot is about 20-25%. If u don't need alpha - it's rly usefull.
I'm surprised people still use the TBR A torso because it's a gigantic SHOOT ME sign. That and the negative agility quirks on it make it horrendous to pilot the TBR
Yeah, I only play Clan mechs and you really have to be careful about overriding. You have to be ready to manually shut down as soon as it's safe if you go over the heat cap...
Great Video! Thank You!
There is a base variant with this loadout, just not exactly the same.
It was a Trial Mech for a while.
Liked it but lost often due to not unlocking the skills (trial -.-).
Hey Baradul, love the videos and watch everyday! The one thing id love to see, and im sure lots of others would as well, is a video were you go through various mechs, explaining your thoughts on each and pros/cons of various load outs and builds relating to each mech. I know it would be alot of work doing that for all the mech chassis, but so many people value your insights and opinions of MWO that it would be worth your while! There are very few videos that Ive found that go through the various mechs explaining the pros and cons of each (snuggles time does the only good one) and we would love to see you produce a video or series of videos that would supply this fix! Either way continue the amazing work!
you are asking too much, and his daily dose videos do a decent job of that already
But I can dream.....No, seriously, your absolutely right, that is asking to much of him, but maybe If i donated on patreon......
He does a lot for the community already, and my MWO fervor got the best of me, thanks for the input!
I have the same build, but the low mount version, so each LPL in a side torso, that avoids the negative quirks, and I put 2 mediums in each arm, so I can peak both sides if neccessary, in 13:48 I could have hit that KGC with my build tho, anyway, good video
Narc and Artillery\Air Strikes
Idea for the Skill tree
I think a really great idea is that if I call in an air strike or
artillery then the strike should prioritize the Mechs that are "Narced"
in that vicinity. I mean if I "Narced" a Mech and call in a strike it should have a much greater percent chance to hit.
It would make the narc a much more useful weapon system to carry and
provide a much better chance to actually do damage with to Mechs with an
Air/Arti-Strikes.
I never use Narc! But I would
most defiantly out fit a light with one if I could carry three
Arti-Strikes! Yeah that would be fun!
Haha, it's a real big deal if you loose your side torso on a clan laser vomit. You'll run so much more hot, that one alpha will overheat you.
+Psycho Cop I learnt that. The hard way. 😃
Since you have 1 ML on highmount, you should fire it with your 2x LPLs as well.
Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼
Losing that left torso removed all your heat sinks
Dang, _super_ hot build but big meaty 54-damage alphas out to mid range. Definitely a build you want to have some cover to hide behind to 'reload' between double-alphas.
Always a fan of the laser vomit builds.
What is with the o7 thing that people type?
Chris Horseman salute
They're saluting with their left hand. :D
Some people want to use their right hand, so they type their salute like this:
Hahaha MM after that first battle "nine-hundred and eleven damage, very nic--oh nine eleven hehe"
i got the timberwolf-c and i can do 98 point alpha i got 2 erll,4 erml,and 4 srm 6's it a little hot but i use the chainfire on the med lasers so im always dealing damage and i like to alpha strike when i sneak up behind the enemy which always kills them even an atlas then just pop a coolshot and keep fireing the med lasers to keep the damage going i really love my timberwolf i wish i could download the update to play again
Could be 65% heat! *cough* supernova *cough* but anyways quick question XD is there a trick to torso twisting in the timber? I just can't seem to deal with the ST hit box's always trying to get themselves killed XD
I think the biggest thing is that a lot of pilots don't realize/care about the effect of the negative mobility quirks on the TBR-A LT. It hinders effective twisting and peeking quite a bit. Also, those ears do add quite a bit more of you to shoot at. A trick that works for me is to twist like a marauder or crab - just wiggle the nose a bit to spread damage.
Yeah, once you lost your right side & consequently, the majority of your external heat sinks (which you NEED for a toasty build like this), you probably should've turned your Override Shutdown off.
I bought the TimberWolf (Madcat dammit!) as my first mech and then realised I could have bought 3 or 4 IS mechs for the same price :(
I like it though, swapped out the double peeps for double Lrg Pulses like Baradul here and popped some SRM 6's on there too
Don't worry you end up spending as much on a single IS mech as you did on the Timber Wolf once you swap the engine, install Endosteel, Ferro-Fibrous, Double Heat sinks
That was my first timby build ever
Molten, I MIGHT be wrong, but I think you're 'mech is a little hot.
Nah, it's fine :D
It would have been even better if he had used the cool shots :D
He used1, but I think he was meaning a UAV
I like the build, but I struggle to find the motivation to play it given that a Hellbringer can do this with ECM and all high mounts. Without jj, but still, more ninja power.
Lukas Sklenar hey I play a hellbringer prime with ecm 2 extended range large lasers plus 3 mpl and lrm 10 with ecm and with advanced zoom I'm loving it!
You sacrifice 2 ER Mediums (or just 1 if you use Molten's build, but most people use 5 on the Timby) using the Hellbringer though, plus the mounts aren't as high. They both have their ups and downs imo.
Yes, and it is down to playstyle too. 5 ml on the timby runs too hot though - at least I am not good enough not to overheat with it ;-)
personally I would never use that tripple enegie side torso. Because everyone will shoot it, its just to easy to hit.
+1 Good players know the weakness in a dead side build. I think I would definitely move at least 1 ERML to the right torso. Then again, I can't seem to spread damage like good ol' Baradul. BTW, nice playing against you on Terra Therma this morning in your KGC.
That match was devastating :D
That push moved so fast I barely got a shot in with my SuperNova - that mech is soo slow
The Timberwolf Missile Side torsos are even more easy to hit.
I love seeing Timby LRM boats on the enemy team because those weapons come off in a jiffy.
I dislike the A left torso. It gives you negative quirks, and it's a big 'SHOOT ME HERE!' sign for other players.
I have 6x med pulse lasers and a srm6 my heat is 1.27
get shot in the right torso = defensless
don't run this on any lava worlds. lol
What kind of angry person gave this Video a thumbs down?!
Me, for the unoptimized build. Yuck!
Fair enough :)
This is how an optimized build looks:
mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=309&l=29581e1167f4d9317045b2cad40d3fa13d034f0c
nice build! ill try that out. thanks mate
A mech ran by with a swastika
I'm surprised there aren't more people noticing it in the comment. It got me quite distracted from the video
this build sucks couse of the left torso ear
vs good players you will insta loose it
That's why you gotta shield like crazy running this build.
Change that shit. 5 MPL + 1 LPL is better.
I put 7 Heavy Medium Laser (or Extended? LoL I forgot...), 3 left Torso, 2 per arm, for pure brawling damage, and a Gauss on right torso
It does an insane amount of damage. It's risky though with the Gauss on the Torso as it can explode and rip an arm off, but if you turn to shield with your left arm, you can avoid the hassle of ripping your mech in two because of a critical damage
wow that build sucks lol.