£7 vs £7000 Racing Simulator. Which Is Faster?
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At the end of the day what that 7 k is buying is consistency and comfort. Yes on the tracer you can likely record a single lap that is equal to the expensive thing, but its going to be more draining to do it, and you are going to have trouble staying on that pace for a long session.
It's all about the immersion! Worth the 6993 bucks :D
I would love to see what you think is a decent value wheel that not only keeps pace but feels quite nice to use but doesn't break the bank either like the £70 to 200 ish range.
Can we get 15% on the luxury Tracer to make it more affordable?
If you’re slow with the T-Racer, can you even call yourself a true sim racer?
There's nothing more true to SimRacing than upgrading to a $10,000 rig and still stuffing it though every other other corner.
@@DrZbo This video saved me a grand. I was going to buy a fanatec wheel to replace my Logetic GT force.
@@thomassmith4999 Nah, you just need like ten bucks.
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@Beeenos A real sim racer will master simulator with a controller because sim players is that damn good and true ;)
"Jem Hepworth tests for Silverstone on £2 million F3 simulator at Arden Motorsport"
Meanwhile her team mate Jamble yeets an MX5 'round using £7 TRacer-chan xD
The methods are different but the results are the same, S P E E D
@@juanin200 A wise man once said, 'SPEEED AND POWER'
Sounds normal to me
I really wanna see Jem get introduced to T-Racer-chan now!
We need a streamer racing championship.. All using t racer chans 😂😂😂
Make this happen Jimmy
That would be wonderful.
Ohhhhh yessssss please!
The t racer chan-pionship ?
@@PixwallStudio that's genius 😂😂😂
Finally, something i can afford
yeah, man...
the 7000 pounds sim is a bargain, gonna get myself one today! :^)
I still can't, lmao.
still can't afford it lol
Alright no need to brag
@@supaG-1.0
i just bought one from with for only 1 buck
... i've got a pen instead
Here's an idea Jimmer. Dirt Rally 2.0 with tracer-chan
That's virtual suicide for his driver 😂😂
More Dirt Rally in general would be awesome :D
Driving the trickiest car in the hardest stage...
Edit: I don't play Dirt Rally so plz tell me what this combination would be
@@fernandoueno8668 i would say Stratos and Poland or Monaco
@@fernandoueno8668 he did a video on this using a Porsche 911 RGT on Monte Carlo, though I'd probably swap the Porsche out for a Stratos
Preparing for your next Praga R1 race with the TRacer?
Replacing the Praga's actual steering wheel with the TRacer?
@@MrJohansen*Bend steering intensifies
@@MrJohansen Seeing what happened at Oulton Park, that might not be such a bad thing!
Pretty viable option seeing the last 2 performances ;-)
I can't wait for Jimmy to get a podium in Goldie and have it on yt trending
Get in there Jimmer
Yes! In which video does he showcase his helmet design?
@@ThrustCurve Much older one when he was karting I think.
@@EarrGasmm ah thanks
The T Racer with its steering offset - It is an Indy 500 wheel mate
It is also a $7 wheel xd
@@VioletteApricity 2 in 1
Imagine doing endurance racing on the tRacer...
Dead in 7 laps
@@ary5092 Idk mate I used to play 100% races in F1 with a wheel very close to the tRacer and eventually I managed to survive the entire race
@@juanin200 yea I was joking, I play with a xbox controller 🤣
Don't threaten me with a good time
I can do it
I think if you are already a decent driver the gear matters less, because you know what to do ahead of time. If you are a begginer you would be much faster on a decent rig compared to the bad one, because of the information you need.
Yep
But then, frustratingly, a good driver still needs good gear to have the best chance in competitions or just to have fun over the countless hours that im sure they will drive. Seems like there isnt much place for low end stuff. I hate that stuff.
My main concern is framerate as a factor in online racing. The other would be connection speed. These are the factors budget and computer system/hardware smarts should optimize ?? Driving skills are certainly the most important single factor. But framerates and connection speeds would be where I would spend money and then look at levels of immersion but these being more experience-enhancing and less a factor in top percentile lap times. Comments on this? Thanks!
It would be really cool to see you on the tracer vs a beginner sim racer on the 7k rig
Yeah the difference between into to sim racing level stuff and direct drive, crazy pedal box ridiculousness is really what I’ve always wondered about. Would it really make a difference for a high level hobbyist like Jimmer (like not an esports pro)
@@FinishHim90 He can be a pro if he wanted to, but streaming yields more money and more freedom.
@@todorsamardzhiev144 idk I guess if he really locked down and tried maybe but his level now is well below the pros.
NEW INTRO WOOO
I wasn't used to the previous one yet
Was in the last video too
My first ever wheel was something comparable to this Tracer: no FF whatsoever, 180 degrees rotation. It was some very old Logitech, can't even remember the model - I bought it for 50PLN, which was ~13-14 pounds at the time. I had very similar issues with it as Jimmer, but that old and crappy thing got me into simracing. And I can confirm, that gear isn't everything. When I finally bought something better, which was Logitech Driving Force GT, I wasn't immediately faster, but more consistent and more importantly - more confident behind the wheel. Now I have a G29, and don't really feel the need to buy anything better, mostly because of the $$$ 😁
I have an jetion-uxxxx and it works just fine. It was 30bucks
I very recently bought the Driving Force GT as my first wheel, and can just say it's an absolute banger for the price. 900 degrees of rotation, force feedback and a sequential shifter for the price is honestly pretty good, if you picked it up second hand cause I don't believe these wheels are even produced anymore
@@acoolsephirothrgmt7834 Couldn't agree more, DFGT is an excellent wheel, especially given the price. I bought mine new, years ago, when they were still produced, and used it for 7 or 8 years, I can't remember anymore :) I hope you'll have as much fun with it as I did :)
3 tenths for £7,000, every F1 team wants to know your location
Yes that's a solid point, 0.3 can be a lot depending on how seriously you take things.
With this sort of extreme being the outlier, it does go to show that it's much more down to the person driving than the set-up itself, something like a G29/27 wouldn't impede our Jimmer at all!
I don't know. its been a while since I've used a G29. But I still think it would be closer than most people think.
G29 is still a top tier competitor. What you pay for with more expensive sim wheels/pedals is more ‘realism’ not more speed
@@m.r.9127 That's why a lot of ppl are very fast in LFS, while steering with a mouse.
you can technically send the same kind of input to the game with t-racer, g29 and DD. so it's just as fast.
but better gear definetely will help you get up to speed quickly and you'll be able to react to unexpected things better. like when you get a puncture or it starts to rain and you haven't practiced in the rain
Still got my trusty G25...and it's reasonably good..but the driver..well that a different story altogether!
You can tell you're happier since getting the house, it's awesome to see man ✌️
I lovew how it's "yeah three laps on Main Rig is enough" but you just cannot stay away from T Racer chan
Jimmy, your success in racing has inspired me, I haven't been on this channel for a long time, but in the time that I have been here you've accomplished the one thing that I strive for
This is the best message, equipment wont make you faster that one is on you. The consistency is where it will come into its own though, but the benefit is you get to see how much you enjoy it with cheap gear (40$ for my first wheels and pedals) and then can buy fancy stuff the more you play and enjoy
When i started simracing i had some super cheap pedals with a single axis for throttle and brakes and used a gravis joystick because the included steering wheel was so horrible that was better XD I still managed to lap the nordschleife eventually in GPL. Man that was so hard.
I remember seeing those very expensive Wheels setups been used for GPL back in the early days of PC sims Force feedback had still to arrive . those first wheels used elastic to give some feel.
But I to picked up some cheap and nasty wheel no FFB total plastic rubbish sometime around 1998 for my PS1 it was horrid.
That was before I moved onto my first PC , spending the first few years using a Joystick Microsoft Sidewinder none FFB for GPL and Grand Prix 3 , only later picking up a Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel and Pedals FFB .
So yes I remember GPL with a Joystick that was a challenge for sure.
I played for 3 years in a wheel very close quality-wise to the t-racer, it even had a "bent" steering like Jimmy's have, and surprisingly I was not one to make many mistakes through a race nor the slowest one in the lobby. I've only stopped playing with it because the brake pedal doesn't work anymore.
you can check my very old videos all was done with saitek r440, 180 degress but with some kind of ffb that was shaking all around like crazy, but still you can race it and be faster than many with better gear
Would love to see the difference when it comes to the Praga rig (Simucube) VS G29, both in a cockpit. That's a comparison for the simracing community!
Ah I see the T-racer wheel is much more reliable than the Praga wheel!
Nailed it with consistency. I went from a G29 and floor stand in an armchair to DD1 and full rig. Certainly, initially, I wasn't any faster (sad face) but quickly became more consistent, which meant fewer spins and errors, which helped overall race time. And with the greater fidelity from a fancy setup I could learn more and ultimately be faster. Worth noting that with a nicer setup it's also a nicer way to spend time...
Advice for those with lower spec setups - get your contact points sorted. I bought an H pattern and upgraded it (stiffness and shift knob), mounted the pedals a bit more upright and firmly, added stiffer springs, and braced the floor stand so there was no flex. All this helped make the experience better and more consistent on the G29.
In fact @Jimmy, it would be a great series of vids to do a ground-up basic build and do ebay upgrades etc to make the rig a better setup, you could do pedal springs, mounting, H pattern upgrades, handbrake upgrades etc... it would make for good viewing, and I don't think it's been done by any other mainstream YT'er.
We want to se the wheel while you play in the rig though
The only downside to him moving house is no wheel in view when driving lol
The T racer is Richard Hammond Simulator, you cant drive in a straight line
You can change the setting on the T-Racer....I've used mine for last 2 FIA seasons...A/S rated.
Next video idea: Play as Tracer from Overwatch with the T-Racer.
£7 if you just never give up
Nice wheels are more about immersion than speed. There are Esports guys on G29’s.
You're talking at 13:52 about the rigs and how a cheap one does not really make you slower. I believe the question 'Which is faster?' no longer matters very much, anyway. What matters is which rig gives you the closest experience to real life, because software is constantly evolving towards emulating reality and will probably be getting pretty close to doing it perfectly over the next years/decades if that is what developers and the market want. But a cheap wheel with plastic pedals will be a waste on such a simulator.
In the early 2000s, I was driving NFS Porsche Unleashed with a Thrustmaster Enzo wheel and it was a great experience. But a similar wheel today, with rFactor 2 or even Assetto Corsa, would not be able to capture all the realism the devs put into the behaviour of the cars.
Jimmy's new sponsorship TRacer a $7 wheel all other sponsors leave.
Everyone needs their own T-Racer-chan.
When I first started out playing Sim Racing games, it was on something like T-Racer-Chan: suction cups on the wheel, the same pedal box etc, and yet I turned up at go-karting event with some friends and was only just pipped for the win yet the only racing, or in fact any driving, experience was that cheap-ass wheel. Oh, and the gear changer paddles had both broken off after a few months of use.
I've upgrade through a low-end Ferrari Thrustmaster and these days I have a G29 and frame mount, but it all started with that unbranded wheel and I still adore it. Although never again please :)
Jimmy, most people are saying they miss the shed, you should dub the new office, “THE SHEDROOM” 😁.
After the last race in the Praga, Jimmer needed to remind himself what a *real* crap wheel felt like.
Now send the cheapo wheel to Jardier and watch him eclipse us all
You should do this same thing but with a wheel that isn't that expensive like the G920 and compare it to a really expensive rig like the one you have and see if there's a big time difference
I believe Chris haye has a video where he tests that
@@seanonraet8327 oh good I'll look it up. Thanks
I think it's safe to say this wheel has achieved legendary status... Somewhere in the world there's a tracer accountant scratching his head at the recent sales figures whilst a sweatshop workers fingers bleed trying to keep up with the production demand.
You feel the difference! :)
hi SIMUCUBE
Yeah, the T-Racer really gives the extra immersion 😉
I dont believe you!
Huh, almost like you guys know a thing or two about wheels 😉
SIMUCUBE x T-Racer when?
That's the thing about doing races with crappy gear, you HAVE to nail everything or you'll just spin out and lose everything. So I feel your focus is a lot better. I still have one of my best times on Grid 2 where I used the arrow keys instead of a controller just because my controller had broken and I wanted to play a racing game.
You could modify the steering wheel to work as a higher degree steering wheel but then make modification in the steering linearity so when you steer only the last 3-4 degrees its actually abruptly steering.
This is probably why I still see so many people still swearing by their PS2-era DF GT wheels.
I really want to get a wheel, but I don't have the space for one... I've never actually had the chance to try any driving game with a wheel... and I really want that immersion...
I had this tracer xD using nonlinearity can be very helpful on track, also changes in setups in car - decrease maximum steering angle if possible ;)
£7 rig vs £7000 rig.
That’s a 1000x more expensive Jimmy 🤙🏻
This could've been the best ad for the TRacer ever.
"3 tenths faster than a rig 7000 times more expensive"
Proves the point, that the gear is of secondary importance, but the driver IS, what makes it count. And yes, I have seen people qualify for IRL money tournaments with GAMEPADS, but a wheel will add a lot more consistency to your laps and the things, that will actually make you go faster, albeit only a little, are good, responsive pedals and decent force feedback. I have EASILY beaten my gamepad times in literally ANY racegame, using the G29 and I only had it for 3 weeks... still not all the settings to perfection... project cars is finally playable, compared to a gamepad (but I am an old and crap scrub)
I considering buying my first wheel, maybe the op Tracer must be the best option.
I’d like to see you do your rig versus a Logitech or thrust master or even a fantec.
This comes just after I've spent my entire day not working but rather looking at Simucube and Fanatec videos cause simracing is confusing. Lovely Jimmer!
Jimmy, you better be sleeping with one eye open after this, because the boys at Fanatec and Simucube will be sending Niels round to break your legs.
You are absolutely spot on. Played withan xbox 360 controller and I could keep pace with people on wheels. Now I have a cheapo wheel and have gotten 5 seconds slower. It feels like relearning everything again. But is so much fun.
Great vid! I would love to see you do the same experiment, but with a much faster car. I would think that the difference would be much greater since the margin for error is smaller.
It's like buying a £7,000 bike and thinking it's going to make you waaaay faster than you were on a £300 bike.
i really wish you´d play like 2 or 3 different sims / games when you do these kind of videos or the original "Cheapest racing wheel" video
In the world of musicians (mostly guitarists) there’s always people who think that better gear = better playing, but that’s never the case. Just like you proved here, better equipment might get you in the zone faster but it’s the people who practice the most that achieve the highest
The gear that makes you faster is what has you coming back time and again to put your hours in - sometimes even with a smile on your face.
It's been said many times, the most important mechanical part of any car is the nut that holds the wheel.
Jimmy: *calculates in a matter of seconds the time difference between two random lap times*
Also Jimmy when comparimg a 7£ and a 7000£ setup: “that costs I dont know how many times more”
You can change the lock settings in AC. The wheel input rotation should match the on screen wheel.
Jimmy : sets off in the Praga sim, fails to get any gear.
Me : wow, that sim is so true to life...
i think the big difference is the same difference between buying an ordinary car and buying that nice sports car you've always wanted as your daily driver
yes, you probably will go almost as quickly, but thats not why you buy it
you buy it because you like it, it feels great and it gives you fun. and thats all that matters in the end
Tbh for £7 you got yourself an experience, I can tell you that 🤔
Yeah honestly you could have a friend hop on a second wheel for the price of a cheap lunch...
Get yourself a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel from Ebay instead and enjoy a pretty _serviceable_ wheel for relatively cheap. Just don't forget to turn the FFB frequency down in ACC and you're golden. Yes, it's old, no, it's not gonna compete with a 400 bucks Logitech or something, but for 16 bucks you have a wheel that still holds up and drives like a 90 bucks wheel.
This wheel is proper quality. No doubt.
Also, I still can’t believe how good AC looks with the CSP… amazing, still, even after so many years 😆
Jimmy only pretends that he doesn't love The T-Racer so that nobody else buys one and he can have them all to himself.
What I took from this video: 7 grand rig will make you go in a straight line
This video proved that I am just talentless
When you have been racing with a mouse for years and then hop onto a decent TR wheel, u go hella fast
@@MousemanLV i raced all the time with keyboard and I have a steering wheel since end of December but it still takes a lot of time because you have to drive with another drivingstyle
Day idk of asking for the Praga around the Nordie with the USB wheel and T-Racer pedals
what a great example ive got a g290 looking into fan tech stuff that's out my budget thinking it's all about the money when really its all about the practicing :)
Shed del jardin is what you were looking for or casa en shed
Fun fact the T-Racer ins't centered properly cause its engineered for oval racing chad, so he can take his hands off the wheel and sip a bud light.
It would be good if you maybe tried this with a few of popular race wheels like the t300 and g920
Honestly gear only helps a little bit, get whatever gives you the most ability to be relaxed and comfortable, thatll help a TON.
I like how you honestly tried to get the best from the cheap wheel. Could've just thrashed it but and gave it a genuine go. Don't change Jimmer!
Theres the added entertainment or gaming challenge of trying to get a fast lap, with all the T-Racers flaws.
Maybe the 7k rig is so good that it doesn’t offer that entertaining challenge
Setting a deadzone and a little bit of nonlinearity in the game's settings would have helped you a LOT.
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I agree that you need to actually be fast and that more expensive equipment won't necessarily make you faster.. Consistent laps and catching slides is where more expensive gear definitely shines. In AC I've wrecked so many times at a certain corner of a certain track and I've seen DD's literally help save a streamer from wrecking at the same corner. For immersion though DD wins hands down and so do loadcell pedals
Is there anything funnier on this channel than when Jimmy uses a bad product? The £2500 sim, the North Korean game, and this wheel, are just classic.
i miss old sim rig and videos. But still proud of you.
2:10 iceeee
Great content. Chris Haye also came to similar conclusions. It would be super interesting though if you had a complete newbie and tried to teach him to be fast on cheap gear vs proper rig. I think that would be a real gap.
If you are experienced you are more proactive, know what to expect from a car with given inputs whereas a total newbie would be (that is my guess ofc) completely lost. Proper rig would make it easier to not fight with the car.
At 11:00 I was waiting for a launch into ‘Tiger Feet’.
Try out some budget wheels, like I have some old thrustmaster without a name, It is still being made, and costs around 70eur in Latvia. The wheel has great pedals for the price and it has auto centering, so at least there is some resistance when turning the wheel
You should try to adjust the wheel gamma to make it non-linear, so the wheel is less twitchy towards the centre
You probably don't need to map the wheel to 100% of the car's steering. Actually I think I rarely turn more than 90°, so if you configure the wheel to something close to 1:1 or maybe 1:1.5, it will be a lot better. Also, you obviously can calibrate it to solve that centering issue
Seems that less linearity is needed for TRacer, especially since there's much less rotation (180° instead of presumably 900° max).
TRacer-chan is what you give to your younger sibling as the player 2 sim racing steering wheel.
a better wheel will help you LEARN faster for sure, cus you can feel whats going on, but ya, doesnt actually make you faster. its more about getting in tune with whatever you're using and going from there.
Shout out to the awesome looking yellow box that the TRacer comes in.
Ya I use 180 degrees and you have to be super precise with your inputs especially with MR cars, I only use 140 in GTS much simpler physics
Gear can make you more consistent but I’ve seen people on Logitech wheels murder people on DD wheels just because they spend the time to better their driving rather than trying to get a better rig
"the thing between the seat and the steering wheel"
My brain: your arse cheeks? 😂
I have the XR Racing V2 which is basically the same wheel but with more buttons .
A better rig doesn't give better lap times, it gives consistency, confort and realism
Would love to see you try match your real praga lap times in the sim! Also would love to see this same video concept but assetto with an xbox controller!
Glad to see T-racer chan back! Was great to see it compete with poche rig and be not that far off (in before Praga bois stop the rig sponsorship after this :D)
Btw great desktop with Minty!
Yeah babyyy, the TRacer is back beating the competition left and right!
The James May “Cheese” edit just caught me completely off guard and I lost it
That's the moment I gave the video a like